THC 104: Professor Griff | Culture Manipulation, Celebrity Truth Tellers, & The Elite

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00:54 We hit it all. Cat Williams, Dave Chappelle, ritual altars in the basements of record companies? It's a wild ride and we know there is something mystical about the power of good songs Why wouldn't The Elite have this finely tuned tool squared aimly at keeping masses down? We talk about how they use music and musical movements to do that And just before we dive into dark manipulation in the music world and hip hop specifically I gotta say were only one episode away from another money bomb and not doing so hot I backed off talking about it because we were doing well with some of the other ones but we're just over $200 with only a couple days left to go so please consider throwing in 5 or 10 bucks by Sunday, 27th.

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03:31 Lucky for us, we have one of the most knowledgeable educators on these topics having experienced these things personally from the inside out and more importantly have lived to tell the tale. One of the founding members of hip-hop icon Public Enemy author of several books including The Psychological Covert War on Hip Hop it's the minister of information himself fighting the power longer than I've been alive Professor Griff welcome to the show Thank you very much, really appreciate it. Now that was a serious intro. You said finding the power as long as you've been alive! That's a good thing. Yeah man yeah I really appreciate this this is pretty awesome you're one of my favorite speakers on the conspiracy scene mainly because you're not just speculating about an industry you've studied you've sat at the top of mainstream hip-hop culture so i find your perspective to have a little more weight than the average researcher

04:17 Oh good thank you, I really appreciate that. And i think a lot of people looked at my position as though it was race-baiting slash outlandish kind of theories way beyond conspiracy which We need to go into that conspiracy thing because a lot of people use that as a trigger code word To throw their defenses up and readily dismiss it. So, but it was none of that It was just perspective from where which I was coming from Being young black man in the black neck from a black neighborhood In Long Island New York. Um, I was uh,

05:02 giving it to the people, the way I experienced it. And then when the public enemy thing hit, you just kind of took on another life and people will be surprised about some of the experiences we have growing up and You know, we don't charge people to look at that person and say okay That's the totality of what that person is about how they think. That's just how you know we grew up Yeah I've met some white people that haven't never seen black people except on tv And then when they finally got a chance to meet some black people who like wow To hear those stories is mind-numbing

05:40 Like wow. Well, I'm kind of guilty of that man it does happen! I grew up in the Midwest and i didn't really have any black friends until college and I wasn't much into the hip-hop scene...I was more into the punk music scene but its really a similar message you know speaking truth to power distrusting machine right? And I got criticized for going down this conspiracy lane during those years but the unified theme amongst the black friends I'd made in college is that they were already on that page They already knew about the power structure, they already knew about the man. They had to deal with it a lot more in their own life so they didn't have the illusions that everything was fine like some of the guys I grew up with and that was something I thought was interesting and always really respected but to get this ball rolling man you were talking about this stuff before the internet had really taken off So it had to be more shocking for people there they weren't allowed to sift through the information like they are now But let me ask you about your awakening

06:35 how it affected your career because the media gatekeepers, they kind of put you through the ringer for speaking truth from such a public stage. And it takes some balls man but I'm sure had its fair share of consequences too what was that process like? Well, I don't know if I can explain the process but I could explain some and go through some of the experiences that I had even starting out with black people namely inside of the camp. Inside of the public enemy camps and it's inside of the community you know which is one of those kind of things well how did you know this? Do you really believe that? Can you prove that and then when you prove it, I keep telling people. I don't say these things and present this body of work to people for them to i.e., believe it. I don't put in that context nor did I put it in that box. I don't care whether or not they will believe it. It's not up for you to believe what disbelief we need to figure out whether or not if these things have happened

07:39 Are they true? Who are the culprits, can we name the names and name the companies and organizations so that we can prevent this thing from happening again. Because it seems like once the trick and plan works it seems like they repeat over and over again and never stop. So that whole experience to me was was very challenging, if I could use that word simply because the people around me and then the whole idea of racism white supremacy. And then not understanding racism white supremacy because when I got among other people other races it was like first of all

08:22 How do you know that? You're a young black guy from the hood. How would you get enough material together, where are you going and where are you getting this from reminds me of what we were talking about before the internet. So it was unheard of there's this thing among black people if you want to hide something on a black person you put it in a book. Because we will never find it. And this is sad, but it's very true in most cases so that wasn't true in my case It wasn't true and Chuck D's case. It wasn't true a lot of people's cases that I know that I surrounded myself with So we did go to the books We did cross reference

09:01 We did create formulas that we can extract bits and pieces of this information and put it together in a collective body of work which serves as the backing, and the foundational material for public entity songs. So that process was very complicated finding it, finding it, and then breaking out that invisible kind of ceiling they had you in and that box that they have you into the point where we can understand it coming from a young white guy because he has access to this information. He has resources, he has family members here. You know hell if he had a car get to the goddamn library but you it's very difficult for us to accept that coming from you and then on top of all of that we don't even believe you right

09:50 So, it's like when you prove these things and present the body of work you leave it up to the person to convince themselves. Yeah! It's a... The kind of material that we're dealing with has been propagandized for years and years so it elicits an emotional response when it shouldn't end up defending the people who are keeping you down because because you just don't have any guidance in the other direction. We have to ask the question, why does it elicit an emotional response first of all? Right. That's programmed! I think we need over and over a body of work that we can honestly... You and I could get together and prove without a shadow of doubt like many had done with the JFK assassination. And we can prove that the CIA mafia United States government and a few other people were complicit

10:41 the fascination of JFK. We could present a body of work, we can do scholarly work, we could present it without a shadow of doubt and there will still be some people that say well I don't know. Yeah I mean it's JFK is funny you bring that up because I had just said the other day you know a couple people were arguing about it and I try to unite all people that are on the alternative side because that's the only strength we have is our numbers and I said you know instead of arguing about who specifically killed JFK why don't we have a conversation about why we have so many secretive powerful organizations that are capable of capping a president in the first place? You know, why don't we have that conversation. Exactly! Once we had that conversation i think the people that thrive

11:23 … on keeping the confusion going even among people that buy into and use this whole conspiratorial view of events in history. I think they want to keep the confusion up. Yes, yeah, that's key. That's key to keeping us divided. Right, exactly. And I refuse to allow them to do that with me and the second thing is our few to allow them to pigeonhole me into this whole race baiting thing but because Grif may use a certain term when it comes to white people, all of the sudden you dismiss me. So then when I come back and I explain these terms and make it very very very very clear but they say yeah but 20 years ago you said this And I say okay well I could take your life and put your life under microscope we can go back into your life twenty years ago You probably said a few other things that probably wouldn't fit right with black people so let's stop that That's childish Right

12:20 All of us have said some things and are ignorant. Let's talk about hip-hop a little bit, man. I mean, I know the music has changed a lot in the past 30 years it seems pretty clear to go from a place where groups like Public Enemy are putting out songs like Fight The Power to now hit songs or things like Lick It Like A Lollipop and Pussy Patrol that hasn't been an accident but more importantly i don't think people realize how much their brain absorbs and this has some pretty serious consequences for youth culture doesn't? Oh, yes of course. But when you say youth culture far and far beyond that it's a culture of hip-hop alone not to mention the subtle implications I think those same people that some of these songs are directed towards should have guardians and should have parents to A protect the culture of hip hop

13:18 Alright to defend it be to protect their children from some of the madness that's coming across in some of these songs and we have neither We have neither simply because one the songs that come across the airways are directed at younger people, but we find the older people partying and popping their finger to it and nodding their head shaking their butt to it. To the point where we don't begin to think that defend children from the madness why? Because oh wow! It's Kanye West, thats Jay Z, thats Rihanna, Beyonce you know they're on top of their game so we kind of figure if its safe for us as an adult

13:59 But the children are listening, the children are watching. There's not this whole idea that you and I grew up at a time when they made alternative versions of the song They don't make these versions anymore. I don't know if you've heard it, but when was the last time you heard of a clean version of Pussy Patron? Right so my thing is that neurologically speaking the brain computer doesn't work that way. You know the brain computer fills in the blanks So you could have a song, and then you could turn the word backwards. The brain will turn it right back around. You can bleep the word out, the brain will just fill it in! Oh that is an interesting aspect to it-the subliminal. Of course because that's the trick they play if you study Steven Jacobson work on mind control in America there are different techniques that they use. They IE backward masking where he turned them...they turned the words around into the brain computer figures it out and turns it back around

14:58 Another technique is called double speak. It's a technique that George Bush used eight years in the White House, where you could be listening to his speeches and he sounded like he was speaking English but he is using this thing called double speaking right past your consciousness. And then last but not least they have these techniques where you can take the word, leave it out blank space there And once that blank space is created, the brain like the computer locates a word and puts the word in its place. It's not even a word you would probably recognize or – for example let me test you for a second. You ever heard of this drink? They came out with a drink called Sobe, S-O-B-E. Have you seen it?

15:50 What if so they mean I don't know you just admitted that you've heard of it and you seen it But yet, you don't know what it means So that's that word is stored in your brain from where and when the brain needs It'll go get it and fill in the blank. You don't even know what it means Right new driven in a new driven in a car called the Acura. What does Acura mean? Yeah No idea this is from this day forward test yourself with this And whoever hears this interview, I want them to test themselves. Let's stop using words that we don't know the definition of Yeah, that seems smart. That's the amount we really know! So when we see the bobbleheads on The Alphabet Gang ABC CBS CNN When we get when we get the information from the DOD Department of Defense FBI CIA and the rest of these people We'll know for sure what kind of agenda is coming across once they start using those words that were familiar with in those words that we know the definition in the meaning of

16:53 Because I'm telling you, they're pulling this thing over on the vast majority of us who claim to be halfway smart. And we are losing when it comes to the children. This hip-hop... pardon me, rap today is not hip hop but that stuff is not hip hop as you already know. Here's a difference between rap and hip-hop. Hip-hop is who you are, rap is something that you do I'm gonna say that again, real slow. Rap is something that you do. Hip hop is something that are you and we are hip hop. We don't have to claim it. We just be ourselves. Are you following me? Other people gotta dress up in it and act it out. What they end up doing is they marry this other stuff onto hip-hop, they marry pornography onto hip hop and it becomes hip hop. They marry the street gang criminal jail prison culture onto hip hop and it becomes hip hop

17:46 And then those of us that are hip-hop have to begin to defend hip hop for what it really is. Hip hop is based on the four fundamental definitions, or what hip hop actually is based on the four fundamental definitions of the universe earth air fire and water So we created be buoyant with breaking. We created DJing, MC'ing, graph writing and then last but not least the fifth element is knowledge itself this is what you and I are doing right now having a conversation about hip-hopping and dropping knowledge understanding things Yeah man, that's cool. I wanted to ask you because you have lived in this for a while and I wondered if you find it easier to identify that type of character assassination and marginalization that happens to performers when they're trying to expose the truth kind of like what happened to you but do you find it easier to identify it when it's happening to other people now because you've lived it?

18:42 Wow, that's a very good question. A great interesting question because I seen it happen to other people and I'm like wow It's the same exact thing they do to me and then when I came back with my book After getting thrown under the bus after getting shot at house burned down poisoned in a few other things I survived all and I'm here Yeah Good God So when I put the information in my book because you're not these people are going to respond. They didn't even respond and that's a technique that they use, it'll put the story out about you, it'll destroy you and get your friends work against you hoping that either A some one of your friends will kill you or you'll kill yourself and then if you survive all of that you become insignificant so they never expected me to walk across the stage

19:30 to receive one of the highest honors in music, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah I saw that! Congrats man! It wasn't planning on me being there! They had a picture up saying, In memory of Professor Griffin who contributed to The Public Enemy. You know? Legacy... it's like come on man Come on, but I'm here simply because and this is gonna sound strange to a lot of black people. I'm here simply because there was some very strong and intelligent young white guys who said no wait a minute above and beyond Professor Griff's growing up in a black neighborhood not really having connection and communication with white people what he actually saying it's actually true beyond some of the things that we think may be kind of racial

20:20 What it's actually saying is true. The other thing I'm saying, when I wrote my book Analytics one of the first things that I put in there was when I was a child. I spoke as a child and now that I am grown man I put away childish things Let's pull all the race stuff aside and let's deal with what this thing really truly is. I know it understand mind you are not using the word belief That the same people that orchestrated the assassination of Malcolm X or orchestrated the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King orchestrated the assassination of both Kennedy boys orchestrated the attempted assassination of Reagan. You understand what I'm saying? It was the same ones responsible and in cahoots with the same people that brought the towers down in New York, are the same people that are at work right now and probably all the same one behind not only the anthrax scare

21:14 And all these other chemical and biological warfare scams are the same people behind the Malaysian Flight 370 that's missing. Yep, and it's something that they want you to believe not something that they proved to you and you've made your own conclusion They've given you your conclusion. Mm-hmm Yeah, I totally agree man. Let me ask you about an example of that marginalization because i'm a huge fan of stand-up comedy and A recent example of this kind of marginalization? I'm sure you'd agree was cat williams I mean not only is the guy super funny But he would weave messages of empowerment positivity into his material which of course the powers that be don't want you to do but he also had hinted some of the things he was exposed to as

22:14 Exactly, and I think me having my finger on the pulse And me living that particular experience, watching Cat Williams and just like you. I think he's funny as hell. Yeah, I think it's very witty, very clever in the issues that he brings up in his routine. the thought-provoking and he's a very funny guy but when I seen him talking about these secretive, elitist kind of things that he was alluding to. I said no no don't go there you understand what i'm saying because once you start revealing that and um so they're watching also they're always watching

23:11 Once you start going there, then they will Yeah, they'll kind of marginalize you shut you down Control you and they do it in subtle ways. They offer your television show or reality show? Yeah You know but don't make certain things available to use so that you know you can kind of lay off the other stuff and It wasn't like I wasn't offered these things back in a day You understand saying but I think what they tried to doing attempted to do to kinda quail or quiet it down via the record company, but I was never signed to Def Jam. And I don't think people know that." Yeah, I didn't know that! That was like a bullet point on my Professor Griff 101, I thought... No, I was never signed to Def Jam. Chuck D and Flavor Slave were signed to Def Jam mid-term and as yet our contract with Public Enemy lies. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, that makes all the difference because Def Jam is at the head of a lot of trouble

24:12 Right, right. Exactly so there's a when it came to the whole idea of who is this professor Griff guy speaking up and speaking out? He is not even part of the group. She's a stage prop. He's just that in the other and this is how I was getting talked about And only thing I wanted at that time was for those around me That knew truth could just stand up you don't have to defend me defend the truth Yeah I think the situation with Kat Williams is very obvious. So soon as Professor Griff connected the dots and I put it out there, listen they're going to come after Kat Williams. They're going to do X Y & Z and sure enough it left my lips no more than three to six months later we started seeing Kat Williams on the news. Yeah getting in fights with people at Walmarts all kinds of- Right! Exactly exactly and that's... There's a movie

25:07 I'm sure you've seen it, it's called Brotherhood of the Bell. Brotherhood of the Bell yeah! Brotherhood of the Bell same exact thing happened to that gentleman as soon as he started revealing some of his secrets these minor things started happening in his home and workplace and other places we look at it like ah that's just a coincidence no its not these people orchestrate these things You brought up being offered things which kind of triggered in my mind I wonder about Dave Chappelle because it kinda seems like he was in a situation where the guy just didn't want to be used. I think he saw how he was being used, maybe he didn't totally know why at the time but now a lot of researchers speculate that The Chappelle Show is use as primer to get white America ready for president like Obama which is really interesting but it seems like he kinda

25:57 He was offered I guess the big numbers 50 million and he just kind of was like nope not doing it And he took took off you know, and I wonder if I wonder if this is kind of in that same realm Well, I know what it because we have to understand from they operate on both sides And we have to stop looking at like they're one-dimensional. Mm-hmm absolutely Absolutely not one dimensional They operate on both sides and they control, manipulate from both sides. And this is how we have to begin to approach understanding what these people do. So on one hand they're the ones that are offering Dave Chappelle money and secondhand they're the ones dictating to Dave Chappelle on what to do now when he says no I don't want to do it there's a same one orchestrating his exit

26:47 because they still want to control them even after the act of a trip. You understand? Listen, they're in this on a long haul and they don't do this just for the weekend or lunch break They have to manipulate and control the entire scenario situation rather. Right they are infinitely patient which is one of the really frustrating things about it because life is so short And whereas you and I would forget after a weekend. If i got into an argument last Friday with you at the bar or at the club, couple of weeks go by man I see you again man y'all I'm sorry about that now it's a little bit see blah blah we can give each other a hug going about our business yeah these characters never forget they never stop

27:36 Right, yeah. They are definitely ruthless and you know since I have a genuine person from the music industry here i've got to ask you about this way the mind the hollywood mind control machine works because so many people talk about these celebrities and artists, and you hear things about this $21 million club. This idea that artists will reach a certain height in their career and then some will be given the choice to reach the heights of fame and fortune in exchange for like a blood sacrifice or an oath of loyalty Do you see this as a major method of getting artists to play ball?

28:13 Well, my thing is if the allure of you being rich and famous and successful having enough money to buy anything that you want. Someone growing up poor really not having anything which is the majority of us right? Right! The lure of living this kind of life has attracted anyone of us and those who say well it's not to me your lying No one wants to live poor. So no one wants to live like that so the whole idea of you having two or three cars and a couple of homes and Living in the finest place eating the finest food is going where you want to go doing what you want to do It's very attractive, so I think that's one thing that they had in our life Listen, you know what? I can both agree both black and white America's are fucking lazy Yep

29:08 We want to do we want to make the benefits the most benefits with a less amount of work right around, right? Okay, so then an understanding that they know exactly how to lure you in to try to give you those finer things in life that will attract you. And you fall for it hook line and seeker because your operating from your lower energy centers, you want urges and desires met These people have enough money and power to have your wildest fantasies and dreams come true. People that put themselves together, put themselves in a position that can do that

29:52 Oh yeah, they have a lot of power over the average person. A lot of power. And I can imagine some of the ego maniacs in both Hollywood and the music industry would probably be okay with capping off a girlfriend letting their mother die under plastic surgery because you know they'll have a grieving period but on the other side of that is infinite fame and fortune so i'm sure there are people who make that choice Well, there's a lot of things that we can actually honestly sit here and mention and attribute it to certain individuals. You sacrificing the family member is absolutely nothing to these people. It's almost like if you don't then you're not loyal to us And I think that's the conversation that we are not having What is the price? That you will pay to be rich in things That is the question We need to ask what is that price? What does that look like

30:49 In a sense, what price would you pay? And my thing is we don't know these particular individuals. Some of us may allow our mom to get sacrificed some of us will allow girlfriends and wives to get sacrificed and We need to understand that but my thing is I don't want people to think that these people are beyond this they're not Right, then now you will not both know personally speaking What our threshold is and there's just certain things I am not going to do. And unfortunately or fortunately or unfortunately one of mine was the fact that I am not going to apologize for the truth. Kill me, poison me, burn my house down shoot at me and whatever you feel that you need to do but i'm not going on record to apologize for the truth. I'm just not doing it. You just have to stand for what it is and um...you know other people around me have taken it and then of course they probably live a better life! I'm just not apologizing for the truth The truth is a lot larger than grief

31:52 And I just can't apologize for the truth. Yeah, man well said! Well said, amen. Let me ask you about another dark rumor of the music industry... They talk about, a lot of researchers and guests that I've had will talk about the importance of occult magic and satanic rituals performed in secret surrounding the release of like a chosen album. And i've heard people suggest that some of these albums are engineered to be hits then they're first laid upon the altar and embedded with demonic energy The ashes of children played during orgies all this sort of weird stuff that's going on in the shadows I mean have you found any truth to that at all?

32:34 Oh wow, so much truth to that. Some people have actually admitted to me in private which I can't mention their names. Of course. Admitted to me in private the whole idea of black and white magic being performed on a high scale dealing with frequencies and vibrations and the spirit realm you know, leaving some of those conversations and saying to myself okay well I don't do the belief thing so let me see whether or not if this kind of stuff actually is true and actually works. And then I say to myself...I sit back and I watch that some of these people that obviously took the oath, I just say to myself have taken the oath rather than I said I said it myself okay well let me listen to the song! I listened to the song and the song really doesn't move

33:29 But two weeks later, the concert repetition 13-14 times a day. The video is played, the song is played that person shows up in commercial and magazine and the next Tyler Perry movie that comes out and few other things go on you see this person over and over it reinforces all of sudden now your walking through Walmart and your humming a song how does that happen? I hear ya they get me with same kind of stuff Right, right. We have to stop and look at that and say wait a minute how did they pull that off? Two weeks ago I didn't even like the damn song! Yeah man... That's so true And when you look at like the Super Bowl and the Grammys You look at some of these halftime performances These big performances They're full of weird ritual and symbolic messages But it's really clear to see that but its hard to define what the effects of that would be

34:28 Well, it's easy to see the effects. The thing is it's harder to attribute those effects to those particular rituals. Yes well said For example we just talked about that frequency and setting up the altars. John Todd talked about that and as I speak about in my book, The Psychological Covert War on Hip Hop To this day they can't find John Todd's body And he was the one that said, no they do have altars set up at record companies in the basement of the record company. They go, they do perform black and white magic. And they do both of these satanic kind of rituals over and over the music. They are responsible for putting these low vibratory frequencies in the music, but he do put images out there to the point where it make a very fashionable to wear these things and they try to invoke the spirit of the bafflement, evil demonic entities so people know exactly what they're doing

35:25 Guess what? If those of us that see them doing this, we're uneducated and we don't know what they're doing. So we write it off as entertainment and when we write it off with entertainment your cultural defense mechanism is down! Your cultural god is down! And once your cultural god is down then it's like listen you said you were into punk yep Okay, when did the demonic frequency enter punk to the point where you started demonizing punk rock? Huh. That's an interesting question they definitely took the teeth out of that aggression felt like I kind of grew out of it but there was a change in the mid 90s probably around the same time they were changing hip-hop Punk music got neutered and they started calling it pop punk and emo And blurred those lines and all the songs were heartbreak and relationship bullshit But it was never about anything important

36:20 Okay, a minute ago. A minute ago it wasn't about that! It wasn't about that a minute ago with punk. Punk was aggressive hardcore you understand what I'm saying? And they definitely made it popular in the late 90s. Bands like Newfound Glory and Taking Back Sunday, they would say they were punk but all their songs were just about crying over some girl and that's not what punk music was about Exactly! What they did was shifted the entire paradigm of punk to soften you up to the point where you weren't aggressive anymore. Then they introduced a certain drug, then they introduced a certain thing that you had to wear and the way you had to be in order for even into that punk scene or realm of punk. Totally parallel trajectory to hip-hop it seems

37:08 Exactly, and then you found yourself a hardcore punk head. You know what I'm saying? You found yourself in a fucking Backstreet Boys concert at an NSYNC concert fucking dancing! Yes you did! Because they pull it over on you and it work. Yeah, yeah It did for quite a while And let me bring up another thing that I've heard you talk about in presentations because a lot of people are aware Of the subliminal sexual messages and advertising and Disney movies But I've heard you talk about the musical connection to these images and that's a detail that we don't hear covered all that much Can you tell us how that works? It's kind of in line with what we're talking about well

37:47 Well, in studying subliminal ads, studying corporate ads, studying the techniques that they use to get people, the unsuspecting masses of people to participate in advancing their cause, not ours because their cause is hidden inside of the subliminal messages and we carry it out like automatons. We do it automatically and we're unaware of the techniques that they use so in studying some of these particular techniques I went out to see whether or not if some of these techniques actually work and some of this stuff I uncovered...I found

38:28 those techniques activated and operating among the people, i.e., black people that we never ever paid attention to some of these products that was only designed and meant for white America." I said to myself how is this happening? We don't... There's just certain cultural trends that-that-that-we have! And some of those cultural trends will mention them in the song. So what black people were doing was taking the average thing that white America know and accustomed to, and we will flip it and using a different form of alchemy, we'll change it and flip it and make it hip hop

39:12 You know what I'm saying? So then if you look at some of the things, for example we talked about double dutch and lemon head candy and pop tarts. We would take stuff like that and put it in a song and it means something totally different to black people but now What about the subliminal messages behind some of these products that we never knew was put among us for a specific reason? A, to sedate and control us. So when I started looking at the banking system

39:49 You get an ATM card, you kind of figure you got money in the bank. You can go to the ATM and they take your little $20 out and they tax you a dollar fifty every time you do that. Fine but now what about the logo on the bank? So I'm doing this lecture entitled The Triple Alphabet Theory And I connect the banking system with the food industry. The food industry which are going to use food as a weapon. You know that. With military industrial complex then I connect that to prison industrial complex And you start to look at the logos. Like, wait a minute okay? Why do we keep getting these three colors? Why are we getting the square? Why are we getting circle within a circle while we're circling within a triangle? What does this sign mean? What does this logo mean when you start connecting the dots You put it in front of your own black and white piece of paper and you start to break them down. You start to understand that these people corporations Are connected today's people ie Hollywood is connected to the Pentagon

40:44 Why would the Pentagon want to sedate the people on a subliminal level to control the people via Hollywood? These are questions that start to come up. So when you start looking at these subliminal symbols, they start affecting different parts of your body i.e., your chakras – your energy centers. We wanna calm you down Oh, then okay. Then we'll make this color very popular and this kind of music very popular." You and I would think these two have nothing to do with one another. Music industry and these advertisers have nothing to do with one another. Right? Sure they don't! They had everything to do with one another. Yeah man it's all sedation Exactly And we don't realize it simply because it is done so subtle To the point where... Let me tell you something These men call themselves Men Of Towardness

41:33 And they move towards their ultimate goal, whether you know it or know it not. When you think they've stopped these people have this ongoing 24-7 365 and a quarter days. They never stop. They work in shifts when you and I have to go to bed and go to sleep they're up They're up working very, very hard. And listen so when you start to look at the color codes which one of us will stop and think that wait a minute your low energy centers are red orange yellowish how would they make all the food places? Murder King, Drunken Donuts, Kentucky Fried Chicken

42:19 McDevils, all these places are red and orange because they're trying to appeal to your lower energy center. They want you to be hungry You know asking just got up from the table and ate a full course meal once you see one of them commercials He's hungry again Yeah this is right in line with something that Oh, sorry man. I was gonna say this is right in line with something i'd heard you talking about that there... This is kind of the method behind the modern rap music having such heavy bass for example that these very tones they use actually manipulate us on a subliminal level Right, but how do you explain this to the people? That only one of you... It's like yo bro, are you listening to this man and before I met you like 10 years ago right. He was like no no no I met you 7 years ago up in the Bronx. But you didn't even smoke then dude! You didn't drink, you were cool. You went to Catholic school, had good education. What happened?! Oh nah man, you're just saying what?

43:18 Something in the music, something in the advertising, something in the way that you're resonating with this thing has turned against yourself. We don't want to admit it. Yeah, I hear ya. And actually, I really enjoy when I hear you relating hip hop to the seven chakras and its ability to raise one's vibration because I like the bridging of those two cultures and it's really interesting to hear about hidden knowledge in all their cultures to me obviously Eastern cultures were onto this stuff with Buddhism and meditation. Right, right. African and Native American cultures were onto this with rhythmic drumming and dancing to induce a higher meditative state

43:57 But then, you know I look at the history of my culture of white culture and all I find about white people is a long history of enslaving and destroying all those cultures that were harmonious. And lived in a way that I want to live. I don't wanna say it's hard being white but its definitely embarrassing! When you look at the history of Europeans You should have some white guilt We've ruined everything Yeah, but you know something? To have that discussion as a white guy – you would fare. I wouldn't fare if being racist… You hate white people. That whole thing will get stuck on me. But if you present it in a way where you can prove these things by proving these things via history…

44:40 then you might win a few people over. But the vast majority of the people who refuse to buy that and purchase that line of thinking, you'd be hard pressed man to keep friends man. You understand what I'm saying? Absolutely! And they'll look at it like that's a broad stroke to indict all white people, and hold whole white people responsible for their fathers' fathers' fathers behavior throughout history. But all of the people—not all of the people—the vast majority of people who are bringing ushering in this way of peace

45:18 including white people. The vast majority of white people are not going for that, I'm sorry you're not gonna talk this and piece this and piece that and expect the vast majority of white people and nowadays and black people to go for it's just not gonna happen. Well if we're gonna get real deep and real honest i think that there is something to be said about the fact you know a lot of white people might see the conspiracy and they might want to talk about change but they can't talk about it too much because they do have an advantage. And if you talk about it too much... No, no, no! You're right! It's messed up man I mean.. No,no,no! It really is. You have to be able to take solstice a little bit in the fact that you can look back to a long history of culture uh and a long history of

46:08 Kind of being in tune with the earth, you know The white race is really the only race that doesn't have that history. It's just destruction right But you know something in a state or even even on On top of that I think we have to be able to stop looking at being in sync and starting with self And the only way I'm going to be in sync with you, simply because based on the history of the two people and everyone else in between we both have to have something in common. I think the thing we have in common is that we both want peace. We just had different methodologies on how to get there. But, you know a lot of us are on the same page and the main problem we have is getting other people out of our business. If they left you and me alone, we could probably get along! You and I being representative of black and white races... We would probably get along. We'd get along at the raves

47:06 We get along at the party, we get along at the club. We have music and some quote-unquote stimulants and food. We have some conversation that can get us along above and beyond that They exacerbate the tension between the races and it becomes a problem. Yeah, and people talk a lot of shit on video games And I get that but there is something to be said about when you sit down and play Call Of Duty And you find out that the guy on the other side of the headset is in Afghanistan You're like wait a minute We're doing the same thing here man. You know we're all kind of the same like so I think there's something to be said about that connection

47:45 Right, exactly. And I think it's fostered by this illusion that we are supposed to be at odds with one another. You could play the video game for two hours and you never knew that this guy was somewhere in Afghanistan and you're competing against him But now the whole game changes and the whole idea of the vibration and energy changes soon as you find out where he's from. You know why? Because the news have taught you that we're supposed to be at odds, these people are supposed to be THE enemy. Stop that! Yeah, the only power we really have is our numbers. So of course divide and conquer is the main tactic against us but let me bring up another topic that has been in your big lectures and it seems to have kind of drifted into the background of conspiracy culture And that's this goal to implement every American with a microchip to better control them I mean this was big for awhile But now We see what this Obamacare bill how they're gonna try to implement it right? I've heard you talk about this quite a bit This is a big deal

48:51 Yeah, it's a big deal to me because the other method that they use didn't work. What was this? Oh man! They tried to implement it via the whole H1N1 vaccination program. Everyone supposed to get vaccinated well stupid idiots forgot to make the syringes to accompany implantable bio-microchip. They didn't make them big enough Dr. Justin Marchegiani This is actual fact. So we had to recall it, pull it back and people had to get the shots again with a different syringe. This would have put this kind of biomarker chip in all of us because it was mandatory that we get these particular shots. Well if you don't, if you're against vaccinations then you would never get it so then they had to force the vaccinations into schools especially with your children

49:46 And then not only that, but that would weaken you and the whole idea of chemtrails fluoride in water. They were going to weaken you and get you one way or the other. They are determined to make a weak subservient mind-controlled debt slave. And this is their goal! A lot of people want me to prove Professor Greer wrong, but I say listen bring it man. Shit come on. I'm ready for that challenge Yeah the facts are on your side man. The facts are definitely on you It's a messed up world. Another fringe area that I'm interested in, which you dabbled in and was interesting to me but the power of crystals! There are so many posers and weirdos in that world it is sometimes hard for me to take it seriously

50:38 But you know there's got to be a little bit of truth in it. I mean, there are so many people going down that thread You've kind of found some strength and keeping certain crystals around haven't you? They kinda counteract Wi-Fi signals and those kinda negative electrical charges Exactly! And not...and i do it every day but its just one of those things that I shifted my gears on and I just really stopped talking about it in my lecture because I found that It brought the weirdos out. They started talking spooky to the point where they made it seem like what I was saying was extra spooky and i'm like no this is ancient science and this is very real

51:15 This is very real. So, diodes and certain crystals to do certain things to protect your energy center, to protect your aura elevate you know six seven eight cents. You know stimulate the 12 millinated centers and then when start to get into the science of the crystal it's only for a few bro is not for all of us because the average person are right off like You know and then the sad part about it. The average person already have the crystal in the phone They already have a crystal in their earrings or they're wearing on that thing or they necklace, but they just don't understand the property benefit That's a good point So it's up to us those of us that you know And I keep telling people is not something you have to believe It's what it is Yeah man, I mean and it is so obvious that

52:10 This attack is so multifaceted. Fluoride, chemtrails... microchips. I mean it's so multifaceted and we really have to get on the same page because like i said our biggest advantage is our numbers and if the elite can kind of convince the public that the economy sucks because Mexicans are crossing the border or its a dangerous world because all the Muslims are terrorists these are the first illusions you oughta be able to see through, because for ever gonna overcome this...I mean recently they actually put out a bunch of stories trying to reignite more black white rage with Trayvon Martin in that kinda thing I think the majority of people are starting to see through that and they're not really taking that bait. Do you think that's kind of true? Well, there was about three or four movies that came out trying to re-stimulate black people into that kinda mindset and into that kinda spirit once again we have to rah rah rah and stand in flames of a campaign to hate whitey kill whitey

53:06 So we'll put out the Django, and then they put out 12 Years of Slaves. And some of these, The Butler and some of these other movies. We want to re-stimulate black people to think that you know back to whole slavery thing. During that period it was the tensions were exacerbated once again. Then we have a set us back to that period where it was so far beyond that period. You understand what I'm saying as far as relationships are concerned? But leave it up to these people though Green like these movies And then when the award show comes around, it's the best actor or the best this, the best picture. The best whatever, whatever, whatever. We will think well damn that's the agenda!

53:44 So I guess I should be thinking like that. Let me become a slave again, let me tear off my fucking clothes and wear chains around my neck and wrists and ankles." I guess that's the sentiment, that's the spirit, and it's not. Wow you know what? I never thought about the subliminal imagery of... You know, a lot of the rap artists they're shirtless they're wearing a big chain I never really thought about that, man. That's exactly what it is and they want us to get re-stimulated and start thinking in that mindset again and then to the average unsuspecting fan they're like well damn so i want to go see this movie and we had a black hero killing white people and then we had the butler with his subservient composition to white people and it restimulates you

54:31 And you're walking around thinking with that mentality and we are so far beyond it. This is 2014! The sad part about that is, it may re-stimulate Black people to feel their way but its re-educating white people to have to know that particular body of work, that struggle. Because when white people think about those days they think wow we were in a comfortable position. We owned everything and ran everything and then we had people working for 400 odd years for us for free!

55:08 But I mean you said it yourself, today we're all debt slaves. The system has evolved. Obviously slavery was a terrible thing but traditional slavery requires the elite to house and clothe and feed them whereas modern debt-based economic slavery you gotta clothe and house and feed yourself and you're still no better off Exactly. So I guess it evened out and level the playing field, but once it leveled the playing field that we began to realize like wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm just like my friend Josh. Josh was like my friend Penny you know? And you know, we all work at this particular company and they treat us all the same. They think I'm privileged and I have a few extra benefits because of white but nonetheless they don't like any of us. Yeah

56:00 All of us are going to get the chip. Now it's like, okay you might have some privileges because you're white but they don't like any of us! Actually when I seen that police officer kick that white woman in the head man...I just said to myself WOW! Well that goes back to the double speak you were talking about man Like police do not protect us they are attacking us Education doesn't make us smarter It makes us dumber The medical industry is not making us well its making us sick The defense industry is all about attack It's it's totally backwards. Totally backwards, but now if we're still thinking 12 years of slave the Butler and we're still thinking you know The Django true then we're never going to understand those things that you just ran down We get a little close at the end of this show I want to get a little more positive a question that I usually like to ask is

56:49 people like yourself, any kind of artists that I have on the show. Do you have any advice for young artists that may be struggling to find happiness or success trying to get out of those nine-to-five jobs and fulfill their passion? Do you have any words of inspiration for them? I don't know if this will inspire young people, young musicians, young artists. I say regardless of your opposition, regardless of your set of circumstances in your particular life right now music is a universal language and if I want to communicate uh to people on a universal level all right? I do not have to fit my particular kind of sound by music

57:29 what's resonating from me. I don't have to fit it in any of these pre-prescribed boxes that they have set up for music, I could just do me! I could just do my music and if it resonates with someone in Detroit or Dubai, I'm fine. If it resonates with someone in Indiana or Iraq or Iran been absolutely fine. The internet provides that for us, you understand what I'm saying? We can have a global fan base now." Yeah. I say to those people do your music on campus in your bedroom or in a million dollar studio nonetheless record it and get it out and trust me someone will resonate and like your music somewhere on the planet. That's good advice man. Create the global fandace

58:18 There's global fanbase, there are people that call me from places I can't even damn pronounce. Right exactly! That's exactly what i mean and then we cannot be afraid to To make our music available to the people and in some cases, in most cases for free. If someone wants to purchase a collective body of work ie your CD or IE you want to be able to download it on your phone? And that's the sad part about this because now the phone companies and communication companies are now the record company. T-Mobile and AT&T are not a record company. Consolidation of power

59:04 Exactly, and the same people that control the AT&T's control what is left of the music industry. What is left of the film industry So now as soon as the movie come out, you can see it on Netflix or you could see it on your TV because we want to quell this whole idea of bootlegging. You understand what I'm saying? But hey if they created the technology and were just using the technology to defend ourselves how dare you charge me $11 for getting into a two hour movie when I have my whole family with me. Do you understand what I am saying that's four times 11. Right yeah no kidding then if you want anything good God

59:44 That is ridiculous. A $4 bag of goddamn potato chips! Yeah, it's an old system that's kind of waiting to die Exactly because it's feeding on itself There's no life in the system like that. So for that young cat and that young lady, they probably have a beautiful sound, beautiful music and body of work. I say create a global fan base and find your own way you would like to communicate with your fan base. Do not let anybody control who your fans could or should be plain and simple. Half my fans don't even look like me!

1:00:24 Well said man. I mean Griff, it's been an amazing time talking to you quite a wild ride indeed You're definitely one of the people i respect most because you could have kept your head down and your mouth shut And just became another highly profitable false idol but you took the path less traveled The path of truth and that is powerful thing Right, simply because I care about the human family and I want to raise the vibrational pitch of the human family regardless of what color and complexion you are. I care about the human family in general, and I want to raise the consciousness level as public entities started out doing… Of course we're going to have some bumps on the way doing that, but nonetheless I care about the average person. My thing is if you and I are walking the same path and down the same road as travelers if I have some water in your donut and you're thirsty then you can ask for my milk. We're fellow travelers on the same path." Amen man! Before we go would like to tell people a bit about your book or website? Anything else you got going on?

1:01:24 Yes, my website is www.pgriff.info where you can order my books Psychological Covert War on Hip Hop Dealing with the Illuminati's Takeover of Hip Hop My book Analytics which is 20 years of interviews and conversations with yours truly Professor Griffith-Puliganamy I've released a book called compelling revolution, giving those young artists formulas and methodologies of how to do research. How to construct songs making your songs more complete and I released the audio book recently called The Warrior's Tapestry for those brothers and sisters in those two go out there that have a hard time reading and staying focused you can listen

1:02:03 which I think is a beautiful thing. People can reach me directly now, very accessible. I know you had hard time reaching me but my phone number 678-557-2919 at 678-557-2919. I do a radio show every single day one to four on the Empowerment Radio Network with Zaza Ali and that's tune in.com forward slash radio, forward slash empowerment radio network every day four o'clock Eastern standard time one to four Monday through Friday and of course last but not least I'm still in public enemy we're still doing shows and concerts were still making music and um uh the rebroadcasting

1:02:49 my enemy minds radio show that comes on Tuesday on blog talk at eight o'clock public enemy. You can go to publicenemy.com and hear the rebroadcast of some of my radio shows, which is a beautiful thing communication is where it's going to be in up in the next four or five years we have to be able to communicate with one another in the language that we all speak and my language like your languages is language of truth Amen, man. Very cool! Like I said a lot of people can talk about rejecting the temptation to sell your soul to the big machine but you've actually had the chance and come through and that's another story so you're the man i hope we can do this again sometime there's a ton more meat on these bones for sure uh... but then about does it man take care yourself thanks all right you take care also man reach out to me anytime and take care peace for sure peace

1:03:37 Alright people, that does it. Another THC in the bag We're coming up on the next money bomb we're barely over 200 bucks which is sad I would like to see it get bigger so please donate to keep this system alive This is episode 104 So were gonna have a winner on 105 So you got until the end of the week to get in the pot. I'm gonna pick someone to give the money to on Sunday, the 27th Let's make it happen! I love you guys Thanks again to Professor Griff for stopping in Please take a second to puff-puff past this episode around and I'll see ya next week Your move Suge Knight 89 another summer Sound of the 4P drummer Music goes like I know you got Listen if your missing y'all Give me whatcha gettin Knowin what I'm rolling Gotta give us what we gotta give us what we need

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