Steven Snider aka Recluse | Nazi Occultism, Deep State Magic, & The Nine

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00:43 Here we go, Hireside Chatters. Another day another dive into the deep end of this weird world with an exploration of elite factions occulted ideologies geopolitics covert operations and more in the proverbial Pandora's box that keeps us trucking along this conspiratorial path because when a lot of us get our first glimpse of The Hidden Hand the tendency is to see an overarching oligarchy controlling all of the world like a debilitated marionette But as we go deeper, many of us realize the power path splits into so many divergent directions that the tangled web of secret societies, think tanks, corporate interests, bloodlines, networks and covert operations seems too knotted up to ever fully untangle. But all hope is not lost ladies and gentlemen because today's guest has been dedicated to holding a microscope to each thread woven into the conspiracy cardigan and has been basking in the warmth and comfort of his nuanced understanding for nearly a decade

01:36 He's the man known as the recluse of Babylon, or just recluse to his friends. And his blog VISUP has been tracking his conspiratorial and weird stuff research journey all along the way and I'm really psyched to get into it! Here he is, the man who knows the plan blowing more minds than the US military, Recluse My Good Sir. Welcome to The Higher Side Thank you for having me, Greg. Yeah man! You got it I really appreciate you being here i know It is a little rare for you to do interviews which makes this all the more sweeter For Me but because this material can get so complex and many researchers have many different takes on the alternative Can you tell us a bit about what got you into these things and break down your overarching perspective And worldview when it comes to these sorts of topics

02:21 Well, like a lot of people I probably started to get into this stuff at least heavily kind of during the Bush two years. I was kinda brought up though in a conspiratorial oriented family and my father who was agreeing for Ray was quite interested in this kind of stuff I can actually remember listening to William Cooper with him probably at some point in the early to mid-90s when I was only maybe 10, 12 years old or something like that. So I've definitely been around this community for quite a while and certainly I wouldn't have described my dad as a birch or anything like that but I would say that he had been around some of those circles in his day before.

03:02 I definitely have a pretty decent long-standing view of the community on the whole. As far as it goes to my approach, that probably started to emerge around 2011 or 2012 somewhere thereabouts and It was really spurred when I first started to look into the Oklahoma City bombing and as a result of that kind of looking into a lot of the white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups that Timothy McVeigh had been associated with. And that really kind of opened up a whole new universe of groups, what have you, that you just don't

03:37 see a lot of conventional conspiracy researchers delve into and from there I learned about organizations like the American Security Council and the World Anti-Communist League. That spurred me to look into some very arcane topics that are very rarely addressed even in conspiracy circles. Amen, man. Yes that is exactly kind of what I wanted to get into is how those elements are kind of left out of conspiracy circles and To quote your blog, I think this does a great job of summing up the journey you say many that have asked these questions have been led down a path that will progressively defy belief

04:18 First, they learn of international organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission and similar think tanks along lines of The Royal Society, MIT, SRI and the Jason Group. And it is here that many rational people hit a wall for the organizations that stand behind these groups are generally too esoteric for laymen to accept For it is here that we descend into the realms of illumination, of masonry and the so-called society of Jesus. Of legendary knight and assassin brotherhoods where the line between Kabbalism and Nazism is forever blurred." And it's here that we discover the occult in other words. That is a great setup man but the phrase

05:02 between Kabbalism and Nazism is forever blurred, that is so key because I'm trying to balance the show where we talk about pockets of power equally. And if we talk about the Germans then I get yelled at for ignoring the Jewish elite and the more I look, the less I can really separate those quote unquote teams. The lines are blurred but can you give us any kind of clarity here? What are your thoughts on that specific line between Kabbalism and Nazism?" Well, obviously. Yeah I mean there's a lot of overlapping interests between these groups and what have you and i'm sure when you're at that level the power brokers and what have you are almost inevitably... There is only going to be certain interest in support the people that kind of power would even want to pursue so I think a lot of times it breaks into sort of different visions of how things should manifest that their disputes among the elites

05:53 Breaking here. I'm trying to remember actually think it's been a while since I even wrote that So i'm trying to remember now pretty feel like what? I was going with this with the um Oh, gosh Yeah, i'm actually kind of drawing a blank on that one right now sorry No worries man It is complex stuff and we are just still trying to get warmed up here But I do think you nailed it when you talked about that particular line I think At a certain level that is the division and you do have guys like Joseph Farrell talking about a fascist faction. I know your guy Chris Knowles also talks about this aspect to good amount. Yeah, yeah Jim Mars would obviously be a big one too really i think Farrell and Mars have probably been the two researchers that have really shaped a lot of the occult Nazi sort of perspective and definitely research as I would say I have some issues with

06:45 Fair. So, well I think in case of Jim Mars who's one I'm somewhat familiar with, I mean I definitely think he tends to go a little too far into the counsel and foreign relations overlord perspective if you will. The CFR obviously has a lot of power no doubt but it's not the only game in town and I tend to think in general its been misrepresented by a lot of researches as to what its initial objectives were and how it's kind of developed over the years. Obviously, you know, it was kind of emerged out at the round table groups which had their origins towards the end of the late 19th or early 20th century and they in turn actually seem to have been associated with even more exclusive sect known as The Pilgrim Society which very rarely hear addressed

07:33 I've even heard Alex Jones, for instance who's obsessed with this kind of research has deliberately censored references to the Pilgrim Society. But anywho in essence the roundtable groups and the institutes that emerge from it such as the CFR and the Royal Institution and what have you We're primarily concerned with expanding the influence of the British Empire principally by reuniting the British Empire and United States into some kind of, you know political structure along with a lot of the other crown colonies such as Australia and New Zealand in South Africa and so forth. And that was really

08:11 primary focus they had on internationalism and globalism, if you will. Leading up to the Second World War it really wasn't until after the Second World War that the elite faction that are generally referred to as globalists genuinely became globalists so even despite that there was a long-standing strong sense of anglophilia within the Council on Foreign Relations sect and I suspect at this day there's still an agenda that's focused around the British Empire and that's something when you kind of look into a lot of the roundtable affiliates from Britain itself, a lot of these people actually became very opposed to the European Union beginning in the 60s and 70s. And ironically, a lot of them are usually considered to be staunch nationalists now in the United Kingdom whereas obviously that is very different from how this sort of round table groups are perceived in the United States

09:09 I think i may be lost point of what you were talking about there for a minute so. Nah man, I really love it! I find this all so interesting and I guess the simplification a lot of people are putting on is that we have this Zionist globalists one world order Jewish faction and this other fascist Nazi nationalist side And I guess, I'm just wondering if these two are really divided or if they're just played off each other from a higher level. If it's more of a two puppets one hand situation and just a divisive polarizing dichotomy to get people trapped is that kind of how you see it? That maybe that separation tends to dissolve when you get to the higher levels

09:51 Yes, I mean certainly and I mean there's a lot of you see a lot of these You know affiliations that are very strange. I mean especially with the Zionist faction Certainly because typically most researchers tend to affiliate them with you know The kind of Anglo American elite and of course this whole CFR network we were talking about but Again, I would say that the CFR was very reluctant in embracing Israel in the first place. A lot of it seems to have been driven by the American partners. There's a lot of interesting theories as to why the American partners opted to back Israel but regardless they did and the European partners seem to have

10:31 very early become disillusioned with this and nowadays, especially in the more modern era. I mean a lot of the most vocal opponents of Israel tend to come from the EU and that tended to create this sort of bizarre situation where increasingly Israel made common cause with the far right especially organizations like The World Anti-Communist League which were littered with many former Nazis quote unquote You know, obviously this is a very strange situation but the flip side of the coin Israel was sort of it was in a lot ways it was a natural alliance for Israel because the WACO also brought together South Africa and Taiwan two nations who much like Israel were essentially apartheid nations. So there were these mutual interests there with some of these other affiliates in this group and yeah

11:25 I mean, so it kind of begs the question are they united in some sort of unified front maybe in some levels at the different factions but there definitely seems to be a situation where in the case of kind of the Europeans elite there's a perspective that Israel has really become an embarrassment and a major detriment to the greater global project, which is rather obvious when you look at the anger that Israel's existence causes amongst the Islamic world. So yes, you have this kind of bizarre situation where increasingly the Jews have had to align more and more with Nazis because their historic allies in the banking sector now consider them to be an economic liability

12:07 But again, is this the actual situation or is it an elaborate ruse? That's kind of the question and I don't pretend to really know this. I don't think anybody really knows that we couldn't probably know that unless were in the boardrooms of power what have you. Obviously its a very murky situation thats probably not as clear cut I think as a lot conspiracy researchers like to get into Right and that I do agree with you on is there's a lot of nuances that get overlooked with these singular narratives And I try to avoid that as much as I can but at the same time You try to seek some kind of clarity and that kind of makes those singular narratives more attractive, but one series

12:50 you have that I really love is a nine part and counting one that you have called Fringe the Strange and Terrible History of the Far-Right in High Weirdness because as i've been talking to guys like Chris Knowles, Gordon White, Joseph Farrell. I have really started to notice this nexus of far right fascists and how intertwined they are with the majority of UFO stories and ET whistleblowers MKUltra and Artichoke and these deep state torture and abuse projects corporations like IG Farben and Merck, eugenics campaigns and this crossroads between the occult and cutting edge technology. And this fascist side of the coin seems to be stepping further out from behind the curtain these days but what can you tell us about this curious connection between the far right and what we could broadly call high weirdness or occult magic? I mean how far back can you take this

13:40 Well i mean it definitely seems to going back to at least the post war era when you had a lot of your phone numbers the first wave of modern ufo counters i should say that broke out in that period And in the case of Roswell, which is one of the you know obviously major incidences of this kind of mythos. A lot of the generals associated with Roswell and the material would later end up being connected to the American Security Council which was for many years the kind of pinnacle outpost on the far right in the United States and it was also a vast intelligence network as well originally designed to basically engage in blacklisting

14:20 It kept thousands, probably tens of thousands of records on American workers and their political views and what have you. And then later on it became involved in just a host of incredible things drug trafficking supporting a lot of the contras, the mujahideen in Afghanistan Well anyway, with the ASC they originally kind of became an intelligence organization in the early years to focus on blacklisting. Basically chronicling the political beliefs of American workers and what have you so that corporations could essentially discriminate against individuals of liberal persuasion. And then from there they got into a host of major deep state activities. They've been

14:59 linked to drug trafficking and arms trafficking, a lot of international terrorism especially in the 80s with Contra networks and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. But from the very beginning, there were just a lot of individuals in this network that had these keen interests in UFOs and other kinds of arcane topics. A lot of the generals had been involved in Roswell. This would include Nathan Twining who was also widely listed as a Majestic 12 member, Curtis LeMay, Bombs away may who was probably your inspiration for the character of general jackie river and doctor strange love. May was pretty crazy to put it on a plane in thomas powers i mean some of these other generals and then you had some other curious figures that became involved with the early game like,

15:51 Like Stefan Posny, I believe that's how the name is pronounced. I could very well be butchering at those. I'm very bad at pronunciations. But Posny originally had promoted a lot of nationalist movements in first Austria and then later a few other European countries before the Nazis drove him to the United States He was an absolutely fanatical proponent of eugenics and had tried to incorporate some of this into the US Air Force after he ended up here. During the war, he worked with the Office of Naval Intelligence certainly afterwards the war had ended. He became involved in a highly secretive UFO study group in the early 1950s that was not affiliated with Blue Book. This wasn't even more secretive air force group

16:39 I think it was simply known as something like the UFO study group or something to that effect. But after he joined the ASC, Posney would also hook up with Edward Teller who you know also I mean shows off a lot in the UFO literature. Posney would come on to become a major proponent of what will become the strategic defense initiative Star Wars. He would display a lot of interest in particle beam weapons and kinetic energy and things that are typically associated with Tesla weapons. Another figure who would end up in the ASC National Security Council by the 1980s reputedly was Colonel Michael Aquino, who I'm sure a lot of your readers don't need much introduction to. He was, of course, the infamous founder of The Temple of Seth's.

17:27 You know, going back to at least the foundation of the ASC in the 1950s and kind of in proto groups like that's just the committee on the present danger mock one which featured the Novart Bush and a lot of the other kinds of architects of the American military industrial complex. These ties kinda began I think a lot of it might have gone back to Roswell. Roswell, of course There's a lot of interesting theories going on as to what actually happened in roswell i think one of the most compelling sport by christopher noel is and. Is lucifer technology series which he's kind of dubbed it the bros will working there may well have been some kind of magical purple aspect of the rosswell incidents,

18:13 Certainly the possibility would exist when you look at some of the other things that were going on at the same time and interestingly, the intelligence agency that's most associated with the Roswell incident was the counterintelligence corps. The US Army The CIC shortly after the Roswell incident would become involved in CIA's Artichoke project. They had also been engaged in their own quote-unquote enhanced interrogation methods prior to Artichoke being launched with a group that they had called the Rough Boys that specialized in special interrogations, there was another individual named Lee Baxter who was also considered to be something of an architect of narco hypnosis and that type of thing who worked with the CIC

18:55 And the CIC was also involved with the rat lines and what have you. So... The CIC definitely seems to have been involved with a lot of arcane research in the years following the Second World War. And at the time when Roswell unfolded, the CIA as it exists today did not exist at that time. There was a central intelligence group but it was pretty marginal institution. The Counterintelligence Corps was one of the most powerful intelligence agencies we really had at that time and they would've certainly been repository strange information at this era. So you have kind of this process where a lot of the CIC men were involved in Roswell and then later on, you have the CIC men appearing in conjunction with Artichoke. Artichoke had a lot of ties to the far right. The kind of man who ultimately oversaw Project Artichoke was General Paul Gaynor who managed the project out of the Office of Security's security research staff

19:58 Gaynor was an absolutely fanatical right-wing extremist. He maintained what was known as the Fag File in the CIA, which essentially chronicled known homosexuals and the US government at that time. There are a lot of theories that he actually pushed several individuals towards suicide by threatening to expose their homosexuality Gaynor actually specialized in general in sexual blackmail and entrapments, and he had appointed Morris Allen to oversee what was initially known as Bluebird and then later Arctic Shoke. And Morris Allen was another guy who had a lot of ties to the far right as well So you kind of have this sort of nexus where you know You had the Roswell incident, the Murray Island incident these

20:43 behavior modification experiments that the military and the CIA were kind of engaged in during the late 40s, and it's kind of spilled over into this network of right-wing military officers and CIA officers who would later end up in these private organizations like the American Security Council and the World Anti-Communist League that would effectively be used to run intelligence operations covertly. So does that answer your question? Yeah man the rabbit hole goes deep obviously we're just scratching the surface and it's already super complex but you said to me that a lot of this occult thinking and influence comes from Julius Evola right. Yes yes yes well I mean he seems to have been one of the strands of occult thought that is sort of

21:32 you know, been churning through the far right now for at least half a century or so. From what I can tell there were essentially three different branches of occultism that the far-right has really embraced over the years. Evoli would certainly be one of them another strain would be kind of the uh Synarchist slash The Markness and what have you and then finally you would have the Satanists and kind of use that phrase loosely because satanism is such It's used so widely now for so many different phenomena, it's almost a meaningless word. But when I'm saying Satanism here, I mean in the kind of historical sense the Satanism that emerged out of the Middle Ages and seems to have been closely affiliated with the Vatican throughout its history. So do you put Blavatsky in the Theosophy Society? In any of those categories?

22:24 Not exactly. I mean Blavatsky and the Theosophy Society would sort of be a kind of proto-influence to a lot of these strains, obviously Blavatsky had a very strong influence on Martinism and Synarchy...I don't know how much Blavatsky would have directly—well obviously she would have had a certain degree of direct influence because Theosophy was very popular in the early 20th century But I do think that a lot of theosophy was kind of distorted by the right as they got into the occult scene more and more. somewhat distinct. I mean, it's obviously an ideology that spawned a lot of different belief systems since it started to emerge in the late 19th century so I don't know that it would be entirely fair to lump all theosophy and kind of a fascist section of occult phenomenon certainly

23:17 What the focus on not julia civola from what you said to me it seems like you think that. You have a theory that avola is where landing at the concert for the black sun that appeared in his through late novels and that of course is a major chunk of influence but that's a source so I don't think a lot of people would be familiar with Yeah, yeah. See, Evola was a great admirer of the SS throughout the war years and he was originally bared from the SS because of Willigott I believe that's how it pronounced Carla Maria Willigott who for many years Himmler is kind of primary occult advisor until they had turned up some evidence of his mental instability which led to him being purged from the SS but anyway Evola was brought in around the late 1930s possibly sooner

24:05 Towards the end of the war, Evola was actually stationed in Vienna. Excuse me Salzburg and this is the same city that Landig had ended up stationed in and at the time both men were working for the SD which was the intelligence division of the SS So, they're basically in the same city working for the same division of the SS at that time. And there's a lot of mystery surrounding what exactly Evla was even doing for the SS then he claimed that he had been writing a book that was A History Of Secret Societies, the material which later lost to the Russians apparently

24:44 And some people such as Kevin Gugin have theorized that Evel was in fact trying to develop a mythology for Nazi Germany after the war was over with. By this time they generally felt that it was inevitable that they were going to lose, so they were already setting up the kind of post-war network for Nazism to survive which of course plays into the rat lines and all this other stuff But the theory is that Evolo had been tapped essentially to come up with a kind of mythology for this post-war Nazi movement. And certainly Landig does seem to have provided a lot of this post war Nazi movement with a mythology and

25:22 Obviously, there was a lot of overt influence from Julius Evola in Landig's ideology. Landig acknowledged this but it might have gone into even more arcane concepts such as the Black Sun which Landig and his kind of group are chiefly credited with introducing into the kind of esoteric Nazism Evola would have been somebody who probably would have been aware of such a concept. He never wrote about the Black Sun, but the Black Sun was a very arcane concept even within a lot of occult circles until really early 90s and late 80's thereabouts so I definitely think that there is strong chance that Evola did have enormous influence on Landig's ideology and what's more

26:09 It might have been as part of some kind of intelligence agenda that went back to the way in SS and the waning years before war two. Interesting man and to get a little bit more into UFOs in the info that came out about them in the last few decades many of these stories and whistleblowers do have connections to military intelligence, as you've said the Bob Lazar story the Philip Corso story I mean how likely is it this was some distraction campaign to keep eyes away from occult rituals going on in the scientific and military communities like Jack Parsons and the Babylon Working or what you mentioned earlier, Chris Knowles and what he calls the Roswell Working. I mean how likely is it that this was kind of a limited hangout operation to hide these kind of occult things?

27:02 Oh, I definitely think that very much. I mean that was yeah what was being done especially with the perception of UFO's that has been presented to the general public namely that they're you know nuts and bolts spacecrafts that are piloted by extraterrestrial biological entities who We would have, you know decided to stop by here for a visit even though in our own experience with space travel we would have almost surely sent drones or something to that effect to investigate another planet. But yeah and I mean I think a lot of that also plays into the actual purpose of some of these behavior modification programs that were being conducted by the Pentagon and the CIA at the same time too. I know Chris Nolas has speculated a lot especially on you know, the desire to dose so many people massively with LSD during the early 50s especially since LSD's track record as a drug for mind control was pretty mediocre in all honesty and the CIA continued to use it over and over again even though their attempts

28:06 eliciting mind control with it were not especially great based on some of the declassified accounts of this that I've read. So, it does kind of beg the question why did they keep doing this over and over again? And at some point did somebody start to wonder about the nature of the visions that they were seeing if there was something more to the visions themselves And it kind of raises the broader questions, well you know then why was it released so broadly to the general public? I mean the conspiratorial right has long assumed that this was again another part of an elaborate mind control plot but. Was it actually part of a an attempt for consciousness expansion and a consciousness expansion that was related to UFO phenomenon

28:46 Certainly in the early years of artichoke they had two goals that were rather interesting. One of them was to develop more effective means interrogation which is self explanatory but another goal was to create what was referred to as more aggressive soldiers, which nowadays would be referred to a super soldier's Right, and that's something I wanted to make a point about because when you're writing talking about Chris' idea of a Roswell working. He points out how the Roswell incident mirrors the Greek myth of Cadmus and the Martian well. And you note that when it comes to the beings that emerged from the well, I was not reminded of reptiles rather I was struck by how much they resembled enhanced or super soldiers and it just so happens dear reader that one of the primary objectives a bluebird and later artichoke was the creation of super soldier's So, you know, I just wanted to throw that in there too because it ties in

29:46 I mean it's not say what do you think is going on here this mirroring of ancient myth within the deep state. Well i think a lot of it kind of breaks down to psychic phenomenon and means certainly it seems like a part of the super soldier project was out to investigate psychic phenomenon in that later kinda manifested in the projects real flame and stargate and what have you that were rated related remote viewing And of course with the old phenomenon there's been a lot of speculation that it's closely related to psychic phenomena on the force a lot of people. Have reported instances of telepathy and what have you when having close encounters and what have you and they're even some theories that

30:27 the spaceships or the UFOs themselves are not physically there, they're some kind of astral projection or something at that nature as a means of visiting the planet or visiting it from wherever they're coming from rather than actually sending physical craft there. It's some kind of mental phenomenon if you will So we're talking a little bit about Artichoke and you also write about the Nine a bit. And when it comes to the political, corporate and military elite contacting non-human entities, the story of Andrea Pajaric, this seance with The Council Of Nine has gotta be one of my favorite stories. This group of elite contact these nine multi dimensional beings hovering in an invisible spaceship that want to influence world events which

31:12 We've talked about the basics of the story with Peter LaVenda and Gordon White, but you say that from your study the ties between The Nine and The Office Of Security And Project Artichoke are grossly underreported. So what can you tell us about that? Well, yeah again you know the office of security was of course the agency that had overseen Artichoke. It was not the TSS as is commonly claimed and another thing I should probably make a point here that i mean it's very rarely mentioned but Artichoke was not rolled into MKUltra. Artichoke continued to function after MKUltra was initiated and appears to have continued to at least the early 60s

31:56 probably was finally wrapped up around the same time that MKUltra was wrapping up in 1963. And then on top of that, Puharik has long been believed to have been involved in MKUltra and he does seem to have had some kind of ties to it but as both H.P. Albarella's Terrible Mistake and, oh gosh I can't remember the name of the other book right now but it is on the stage magician John Mulholland. It also makes clear from recovered Freedom Information Act documents that Puharik actually was involved with Artichoke and not MKUltra. And in point-of-fact, the MKUltra crew seems to have had some real

32:36 reluctancy towards Puharic's theories. And that also raises some interesting possibilities there, I mean Puharic when he began with psychic research and what have you he did it with the Roundtable group And the roundtable group certainly brought together an interesting cross section of kind of eastern establishment leads and military intelligence officers. You are from that was later brought into the deep state into the military and the cia behavior modification experiments, and then he did something that greatly upset john holland who was a stage musician

33:13 Who was a consultant from k ultra nobody really knows what exactly is the anyway in holland when out of his way to essentially drum out of the behavior modification experiments in the mid fifties And Holland was also very close to Nelson Rockefeller and as Chris Nolas kind of explained in his own account of the nine, Puharik would later run afoul of the Rockefellers in the 1980s as well with his attempts to try to come up with an alternative to oil or fuel. So Puharik seems to have had a lot of issues with the Rockefeller group over the years

33:50 That's not entirely surprising when you sort of look at what the Rockefeller supported in the new age community quote unquote they tend to seem to prefer the most. Well, basically they have usually gone with more of like the nuts and bolts explanations of UFO phenomenon And they almost seem to prefer a kind of atheistic approach the New Age movement typically stripping a lot of these spiritual practices that there you know innate spirituality and trying to Reduce them to almost like a psychological state but I'm going off topic But um any who? I think that there was definitely kind of a division in the deep state over pure heartache with some people kind of

34:30 I was feeling like what he was doing is incredibly radical, some people thinking it's totally fraudulent and that probably played into the way you know, kind of some of the shakeup that went in on these projects at the time. Of course Sydney Gottlieb was elevated to top litter with MKUltra and contrary to what you sort of hear, Gottlieb actually wound down a lot of LSD testing and what have you during his tenure as kinda main agency directing this kinda thing from 1955-63 And while he did investigate some degree of psychic phenomenon, what have you. It was not nearly to the extent that our show did So it was kind of an interesting situation where you had this kind of period from late 40's to the early 50's Where The military and CIA were really going into a lot very very strange topics Then when the Rockefeller money got involved with MKUltra in the mid-50's

35:30 they tended to start disengaging themselves from a lot of these projects until the mid-1960s when you had the initiation of MKOften and then later Grill Flame which eventually became Stargate and it kind of started back up again, which was around the same time that Piharik himself was brought back into the deep state with the Eric Geller phenomenon. So, there does seem to have been some kind of conflict between elements at the National Security Establishment over what to do with this kind of information that they were uncovering. And I suspect kind of a hard scientific wing just didn't

36:09 Even want to really deal with it if that makes any sense. Right I mean yeah parts is definitely a interesting character if you've ever seen that show one step beyond the episode he did with Gordon was somewhere they go down and they take magic mushrooms on the air on black-and-white television in an era where husband and wife couldn't even sleep in the same bed together. It was just such a weird thing to see on TV, and Pujaric yeah was into a lot of crazy stuff with The Nine being one of those favorite stories it's provocative idea but how far do you think the influence of those beings got?

36:52 Well, I mean it certainly appears that it was very advanced into the American state. Of course a lot of information has come out about their ties to the Kennedy assassination and of course Peter Lavendia was really at the forefront of that and then in my own series I kind of found out there were a lot of interlinked links to Watergate as well. To kinda briefly summarize Part of the plumbers team, the guy who seems to have really bungled the Watergate break-in was James McCord. And James McCord was himself a veteran at the Office of Security he had worked for Gaynor and Morris Allen going back to the 1940's when McCord was in the FBI and McCord

37:35 I don't know if he was involved in Artichoke, but there's a strong possibility that he was in some capacity. He appears to have been the agent at the Office of Security Dispatch who investigates and or cover up Frank Olson's death depending upon what you choose to believe on that matter. But McCord definitely seems to have been very close to this group of Artichoke people who Who oversaw the project in the same token morse allen was also your heart's major patron within you know the intelligence community at that time as well. So, you fast forward to the time of Watergate. McCord seems to have been running some kind of sexual blackmail operation which I had hinted at earlier was a real specialty of the Office of Security and that led to the Watergate break-in and ultimately the downfall of Nixon's presidency but I was definitely struck by the fact that certainly you don't have a lot of degrees of separation between

38:35 Buharic who had contacted the Nine to McCord, the only real degree of separation being Morris Allen. And this is kind of the same thing that you find in The Kennedy Assassination where Marina Oswald was staying with the stepson I believe it was Arthur Young who was another one of the individuals who had channeled The Nine with Buharic back in the early 1950's So, yeah it's just incredible that two of the really defining political events in the United States in the second half of 20th century, I.e., The Kennedy assassination at Watergate you have the presence of these alleged beings not very far in the background and certainly this kind of underlined a generally turbulent era for the United States in general so

39:22 Yeah it definitely makes you wonder just what exactly no philosophy for being better devout in the ruling elite at the time certainly. And i also like when you talk about the idea that everybody knows mk ultra but they don't know these other things like project blue bird project artichoke and often does seem like, It was a situation where they took all these deep state projects going on at the time and as soon as MKUltra was exposed, they just tossed it all under that umbrella and let it be the scapegoat. And said oh this is all over and it's just this one program and thats it I think thats how they covered their tracks for alot of this stuff

40:08 Well, absolutely. And then also I think specifically to Sydney Gottlieb was really hung out to dry by the CIA There's a very interesting anecdote that H.P. Albarelia recounts in A Terrible Mistake, it was I believe either a letter exchange or conversation he had with John Marks who was the individual who wrote In Search of the Manchurian Candidate which is the first expose of these types of projects. It wasn't the very first one but it was really full-ranked book account of this. But anyway, Marx had filed the Freedom of Information Acts and what have you which led to the original documentation coming out on MKUltra and these other projects. And in the first batch of documentation he got every single name was blacked out. Every one!

40:57 except sydney gottlieb's that was the only thing in the whole thing that they gave him and godly have is perceived as this you know black sorcerer in the cia who was involved these just you know every arcane project, can you get the CIA did nothing to protect them. I mean he was the first person who they really hung out i mean for the mk ultra experiments so, do me that definitely raises the question of like why gotta leave if she wasn't bald and get oh so much secretive work I definitely think the reason why got we have an empty ultra were sort of selected to be the ones that saw.

41:34 you know took the fall for these other experiments is because well there I think we're effectively two reasons on one hand i think that there was more legal loopholes to exploit with the MK ultra experiments a lot of the experiments were sort of done with quasi volunteers and then even in the cases of some of the experiments that word such as the you know infamous cameron medical experiments that were conducted in canada. The women in those experiments had Volunteers to be treated by cameron they were largely people who admitted themselves for psychiatric treatment and i knew the camera was involved in a radical procedures obviously they did not know that he was doing these experiments of the half the c.i.a but

42:19 There was some, you know legal wiggle room with this kind of stuff whereas with artichoke for instance they seem to have done a lot of experiments on prisoners and military men and what-have-you who were given no choice in any of this. They were not in many cases aware that they were even being performed experiments upon so there I think legal considerations for this And then the other one, which the other reason why I think MKUltra was really hung out as the main one which is also interesting is because MkUltra was totally overseen by the CIA.

42:56 Artichoke and often by contrast were joint Pentagon and CIA experiments. And the general perception is that the CIA led the Pentagon around by the nose in these experiments, I don't think though that's a very accurate description of the relationship obviously The Pentagon had been doing these experiments that predated the CIA even foundation at the CIA So, I think certainly in reviewing MKUltra there was also an attempt to try and cover up the extent that the Pentagon had also been involved in this type of research. And you also mention on your blog that Goliath was Jewish do you think that has any real significance than him being thrown under the bus?

43:40 Yeah, yeah. There was also I mean of course there's a lot of you know information out that there was quite a bit of anti-Semitism and some of the early CIA sections and Yes, there does seem to have been a certain degree of resentment towards Gottlieb as Jew. He was sort of a golden boy who rose very high in the ranks fast and I do think that were probably some people at the CIA that were resentful about it and then after MKUltra kind of surpassed Artichoke is the primary vehicle for these experiments definitely a lot of the Office of Security personnel I think we're very bitter about this

44:19 kind of begin with already men like Paul Gaynor and Morris Allen had displayed strong traces of anti-Semiticism even prior to encountering Gottlieb. I mean, both Gaynor and Morris Allen were friends with John Trevor who had been a military intelligence officer during the First World War. Trevor had actually developed battle plan for rounding up every Jew in New York City during the First World War, so yeah these guys were definitely around some pretty extreme anti-Semites and that definitely could have played into do the decision to really hang Gottlieb out to dry

44:55 Yeah, I thought that was a pretty interesting element because i kind of started this off with uh you know your quote about the lines between kabbalism and nazism being fairly blurred. And anti-semitism is an interesting thing to me because I have no dog in the fight at all in terms of like caring what anybody's race is or any kind of superiority agenda in that regard but when it comes to groups of people that work together behind the scenes to control the global stage This is obviously one group that gets talked about a lot. It's just curious because at that upper level, you would think that some of that anti-Semitism would kind of fade away because they're more in concert together or they're more interconnected but I guess not

45:40 Yeah, no. I definitely would say especially amongst the you know kind of Anglo-American elite I mean yes there was always a certain weariness of the Jewish elites and then of course I think another kind of factor that played into that too is the fact that how can i put this delicately Certainly, there were a fair amount of Jews in the United States in the early to mid-20th century that were also involved and organized crime and that type of thing. Miro Lansky, of course who was for many years the financier for the syndicate was a prominent Jew who later fled Israel briefly to avoid prosecution. There was Lefty Rosenthal I believe his name was he was the inspiration for the Robert De Niro character in Casino and so on

46:28 So, definitely some of the Jewish families that acquired their money in somewhat criminal enterprises which I think put a certain taint to them in the eyes of more prim and proper Anglo-American establishment as well. There were a lot of these factors that played into it and then as we got into earlier There seems to have been a lot more pronounced Anglo or excuse me anti-semiticism and some of the European partners at this sort of elite network America that wasn't quite as pronounced I would say right. I try to think of it is like within these high level networks, I kind of think of it

47:10 A game of thrones where imagine you just discover someone is a bones man, you might be a little more skeptical because you're going to think. Oh well this person's gonna have an allegiance to their group within the group before anything else and if you're not part of that group your going to maybe be a little paranoid that they are ready to stab you in the back so I kind of try to think of The Jewish elite in the same way as it there definitely working with germans and fascists and nazis But maybe all these groups are kind of looking at what smaller groups, you know wheels within wheels that these people are part of and saying well I know that's your true allegiance so you might be smiling at me out of one corner of your mouth with a knife behind your back. I don't know i kind of try to think of it then maybe that's the source of antisemitism amongst that level if we had a similar word like anti-bonesmen you might see the same type of sentiment there just isn't really a term to describe

48:07 that type of prejudice? Well, yeah. I think to some extent and in the case of the Jewish elites, I mean, as a people, the Jews are definitely much more cliquish than certain other groups and again, I think in a lot of ways that's totally understandable when you look at history they've endured And that may also be a kind of in the minds of other elites as well. Well, are Jews really going to turn on other Jews when you sort of look at this shared historic experiences and persecution that they have for centuries? Yeah I mean there's definitely a lot of factors that play into where people's allegiances ultimately lie

48:48 Yeah, and those things are going to reinforce themselves too like persecution is gonna happen because you notice the clickiness and then increased clicking this is gonna happen because you noticed the persecution so it really is like a back-and-forth chicken and egg kind of thing that reinforces itself I guess all throughout history. Yes yes definitely Well, okay. So if most of these programs were an exploration of consciousness mind control psychedelics Potentially the opening of other realms and magic and contacting disembodied Egyptian gods by the time we hit the 70s 80s 90s The trail sort of runs dry with the exception of the disinfo campaigns around ufology But what can be said about these programs themselves or the continuing of this occult? Exploration in more recent decades

49:37 Well, I definitely think a lot of it went into the deep privates. Definitely this seems to have been the case that the pace of it really stepped up especially in the 1980s after Iran contracts poses and what have you really the trail of a lot of stuff kind of starts to go cold after then but It seems like a lot of it was picked by Robert Bigelow The Nevada real estate mogul who eventually got into private space flight That's at least the kind of public perception, but I mean Bigelow has also spent a lot of money promoting UFOlogy in various forms and he's gotten into some very arcane research such as the Skinwalker Ranch. It's been what he did is from as far as I can tell He did own the skin Walker ranch for many years bigelow might have finally de-invested himself from it for The last two or three years something to that effect But certainly they do seem to have done

50:32 some serious investigations there. There were some heavy hitters that were linked to it, such as Colonel John Alexander and that I think is one instance of going into the 90s where you can kind of see how these projects continued with the Skinwalker Ranch where there are some theories this might have been a gateway into another dimension or something to that effect. It's also kind of interesting where we're going with this Bigelow, of course came out as a major backer for Washington state major but he did so some support to Trump in the lead up to the 2016 election as did Elon Musk who is the other major backer for private space flight and that type of thing

51:11 So, yeah. I mean, I definitely think there's some interesting developments that be coming from that especially since in general Trump seems like he's very close to some of these private intelligence networks certainly. He's had a lot of advice from Eric Prince the founder of Blackwater. There are of course rumors circulating that he was trying I can't remember the guy's name, but the CEO of Cerebus which owns DynCorp to review the US intelligence community. So I definitely think that a lot of it has continued in the deep private and under Trump we may well see this really going into overdrive with some of the backers that he had coming into the White House

51:50 Oh yeah, man. And I did want to talk to you a little bit about Trump because you've written about him recently and the back and forth going on in the current political circus So when it comes to the idea of a division among the elite, you know it really has been a popular thing this whole election cycle right up to today. We had so much alternative media support for Trump that Alex Jones and shows like Red Ice are in support of the president which is totally backwards than its always been and I was happy to see Clinton defeated but I'm skeptical about anyone that they quote unquote let become president and that said the nonstop media attacks and constant pressure

52:31 has shown them picking apart the administration to some degree, and now just a couple months in we got the air strikes in Syria, the Moab drop in Afghanistan. It seems like this let's stay home and put America first attitude has flipped to full-blown globalism. What's going on here? Are we dealing with real coups and countercoups and infighting or is this just another case of simulated opposition?" Well, it's definitely difficult to say at this point still I think. In my opinion the real cusp of the dispute over elements of the deep state and what have you with Trump really had to deal with a question of theaters I guess

53:12 Essentially, the Hillary backers seem to have preferred to continue the pressure on Russia which has been building obviously throughout Barack Obama's administration. Whereas it seems like some of the hawks who backed Trump were much more concerned with the rise of China so Kind of going into present events that are unfolding right now initially trump kind of surprised everyone by launching these air strikes on syria but conversely he did them literally at the same time he was having dinner with the president of china. And ever since this particular incident unfolded, you've seen some major reversals coming out of China. Of course they started to step up pressure on North Korea but I mean also they have tentatively talked about doing some big economic concessions to the United States in terms

54:01 lifting restrictions on the selling of US beef there, and trying to buy more US products. And probably most interestingly opening up their securities and insurance companies to ownership by foreign individuals So, I definitely think there's still kind of an ongoing dispute unfolding within these different factions in the deep state over what poses the greater threat to Pax Americana whether it is Russia or China. Certainly the Hillary backers were in the Russia camp and that would be consistent with the historic eastern establishment who has long been obsessed with Europe they consider

54:39 backbone of American global power, whereas conversely I think there are other groups that are far more interested in Asia at this point. They largely see Europe as kind of a wasteland and the future basically unfolding in the Far East which you know with the rise China's economy probably isn't a bad assumption Right on. And I also wanted to talk to you about Jared Kushner, because you've written about him and he does kind of make this idea of coups and counter-coups seem like it's really one big family and less about competing factions because he is Trump's son in law He is considered a major force behind the campaign

55:20 He bought 666 Fifth Avenue across from Rockefeller Plaza. His startup company was funded by George Soros and you refer to him as the chief liaison between the Trump people and the Jewish elite I mean what else can be said about him in his role in this thing? Well, yeah that really seems to have been his major purpose. I mean, I believe Kushner played a big role in getting Trump some financial backing from Sheldon Adelson and I believe his name is the casino mogul and what have you so yeah And I think that probably plays into Trump's kind of seeming reverse course on Syria

55:57 My understanding is that Israel was obsessed with overthrowing Iran's current government and obviously part of that campaign would be destabilizing Syria. So, yeah. I mean there's kind of these regional influences that are playing into that and then there may even be a current divide now within the National Security Council over that this kind of perception seems to be that it's HR McMaster who is really pushing for the escalation and puts I think somewhere between 50-150 thousand boots on the ground in Syria versus James Mattis, the Secretary of Defense and Joseph Dunford I believe the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who in the past have been very reluctant about escalating situation in Syria from comments they've made and are reported to now be the ones who are still very tentative about how far we want to go in Syria.

56:51 Certainly, I mean there seems to be from what I can tell still an ongoing dispute over you know do we want to try to really push things in Syria as far as they can go or do we want to try and keep the pressure on China? Or what. And certainly with Trump's own particular nature, I could definitely see scenarios where he could do another dramatic 180 at some point too. Stephen Bannon for instance seems to have been on the outs in the administration but again with just the way things have played out it could be in a few months Kushner might be the one on the outside looking in so... Yeah, I guess we are in the middle of a story so you can't draw too many conclusions about it. But you do bring up the idea of Trump and his

57:36 back and forth on who he's taking his cues from, and you bring up the idea of a possible blackmail situation which is something that has come up before. Earlier you mentioned sexual blackmail that is very much a theme today pedophilia among the elite is pretty hot topic even in mainstream circles even if they are just calling it fake news but at least its out there I mean terms are being talked about I think that has an effect but what your thoughts on blackmail actually playing into the strings that are being pulled behind the Trump administration? Well, yeah. I definitely think it's been a key role and certainly his rise to power. I mean Eric Prince came out in or shortly before the election and essentially indicated that the New York police department was on the verge of prosecuting Anthony Weiner on charges related to pedophilia. And Wiener, of course was married to a key Hillary aide

58:30 That probably played a factor in her, you know ultimate loss of the election and then more recently You kind of have the mayor of Seattle who was suddenly implicated in you know molestation of several kids several years ago Who has been a major opponent of Trump and his policies and immigration? but then again, you know I also think there's a possibility that Trump himself might be implicated in this as Of course, there's allegations that he also took trips to Epstein Island where I believe what the legal age of consent was 12 or something to that effect. Bill Clinton, of course was linked to this and that was a big issue in the campaign so yeah, I could definitely see you know, somebody having something on Trump as well certainly Trump comes off as an individual who is

59:18 been engaged in a certain degree of sexual decadence throughout his life. So yeah, and then I mean of course you get back into some of this well, I mean he's sort of deep state mentor was most likely Roy Coon who had started out as an attorney for McCartney during the 1950s and there have been allegations going around for years that Coon was also involved in running sexual blackmail rings possibly involving children or CIA So Trump might have been initiated into this world going as far back as possibly the 1970s. Wow, man! Well we have covered a hell of a lot of ground is there anything else on the horizon or anything that you're seeing or paying particular attention to down the line that we should address before we start wrapping it up? Really at this point I'm just hoping we don't get into a third World War in the coming months

1:00:13 Amen. Yeah, it's definitely all we can do is kind of sit on the sidelines and wait and see what they got in store but I'm hoping so too yeah there was no need for that. Yeah although I mean from our point of view... Oh sorry to say but whenever there are whispers of economic trouble you know that a giant massive military conflict is right around the corner Yeah and i mean what not just that to but i mean i also just think the fact that credibility in public institutions is just collapsed so much not just in united states but in europe and so many other areas of the world right now i'm mean, does not trust you know politicians they don't trust press there's hardly anybody left that they do frost so.

1:00:57 I think that's another kind of driving factor for major war with the elite or the other factors that striving leads towards a major war right now is they need something that's going to reestablish authority in the state or something so that affect because i mean right now there's just so much public discontent with the way things are. And I think there is a realization that if it continues in the current path, sooner or later somebody is going to get elected or come to some kind of power that's not going to be another Trump that can easily manipulated by the powers-that-be

1:01:34 So I definitely think the push to a war is also to try and preempt some kind of genuine political change that may occur down the line. Certainly my major hope is that we can avoid a major war at this point so that we can get to the possibility where real chance of change does present itself Mmm, very well said man. So yeah, I'm right there with you Let's hope that doesn't happen Let's keep our guard up and keep our eyes open for just this kind of manipulation But that pretty much does it for us recluse? I do love the work you're doing. I'm so glad Chris Knowles turned me on to your blog It's very much in the same vein as his great stuff before I really cut you loose Tell the people a little bit more about it if they want to get more into these things

1:02:18 Well, like I said you can find my website at visupview.com that's v-i-s-u-p view view dot com or excuse me dot blogspot dot com essentially yeah i chronicle a lot of deep political intrigues a lot of arcane topics so to some pop culture oriented things on music and movies and that type of stuff but not as much in the last year So yeah, I guess if you've enjoyed the webcast and also enjoy some other things that you see on The Secret Son or Rune Soup, then you may be interested in my blog. Certainly I would consider Mr. Nullus and Mr. White to be enormous influences on my work

1:02:57 I also actually would like to take this moment too, to give a big thank you to Chris Nolas for promoting my website among his readers and what have you. Obviously turning you onto my website and what have you it definitely means a lot to me i have a great degree of respect for the work that Chris Nolas has done over the last decade or so You know, it's very gratifying that he seems to enjoy the work that I'm doing. Yeah man! I even saw Peter Lavenda himself commented on a couple of your posts that involved his work That's something cool Yeah, yeah. No I've had some contact with H.P. Albarellia usually I talk to Albarellia in email exchanges and what have you so that's definitely been exciting to have some contact with some of the researchers that really inspired my work it's been very gratifying and probably one of the most rewarding aspects of doing the blog

1:03:49 Amen man, I hear you. I feel like i'm talking to people every week that i'm not qualified to be talking too But it's a beautiful thing and right on I had a great time talking to ya Thanks again keep fighting the good fight my man Uh thanks a lot for having me on You got it And boom goes the dynamite dear listeners recluse of Babylon drop in knowledge I do have to apologize for the audio quality a little bit. I know we had connection problems with the internet that would just screw up like one word out of every other sentence and then it would go away for awhile, and there are parts that i had to stitch together to sound more fluid, and there are parts that sound like bad edits but i actually didn't touch anything so... A little subpar on the audio quality but

1:04:33 When it's like that, it's hard to keep interrupting a person's flow and I just tend to think oh, I'm gonna fix it later. And then I go back and it bothers me more than I thought it would but it is what it is serenity now right? Recluse does know what he's talking about though in terms of content and mapping out all these connections. I feel like he's got to have one of the most elaborate detective show corkboards up in his head, it's pretty impressive! And being a guy who doesn't do many interviews especially a lengthy one like these here Hireside Chats...I think he did a great job This really is just one of my attempts to find some new voices that still mesh with this nexus of the occult and the deep state. And I don't want to go over the same stories, so I try to find people who have looked at different aspects or highlight different details about stuff that I like about Gordon White and Chris Knowles. And yeah, Rekluse was pretty committed to Chris...know-less

1:05:29 But I've always said Knowles and i never really thought anything about it but now he's got me second guessing myself. But anyway, it's just one of my big curiosities is that in the conspiracy world we hear the buzzword Kabbalah. We hear about old Jewish magic and yes that is there but it's the Bush family doing the skull and bone stuff. It's the Nazis who are most open about the occult in anyone alive today's lifetime. And its German petrochemical companies at the heart a lot of today's problems so I I don't know. If someone was really going to try and say that my show hides the Jewish agenda, that might be fair because it has been a long time since we did a Jews run the world show mainly just because I think that stuff is outdated to a degree or maybe only applies to banking circles

1:06:20 Not that it's wrong, but I think people in that camp have blinders on to other things like this really easy-to-track largely German Prussian nationalist fascist faction. Like Henry Ford, for example who worked heavily with the Rockefellers and the oil barons who spawned the assembly line and helped craft an education system that reduced people to believing that being a screw-turner is a fulfilling life. He wrote a book called The International Jew and I bought it because i want to understand this weird element of the situation among the elites And it's everything you might expect. How Jews use power, Jewish supremacy in cinema, Jewish usury, the Jeworld order, perpetual victimhood...

1:07:04 And I just find it interesting coming from him because he's a real dick. And I also thought that when we say Jewish elite, that included families like Rockefeller yet he seemed pretty cozy with them and some say the highest elite are just German Jews who use that division in the same way they use Democrats and Republicans honestly I guess i'm really just not that good at eyeing someone up and knowing if they're Jewish. Unless we're talking about like Larry David and Woody Allen, so...I don't know! But I do know that the reason our food and medicine and vaccines are all fucked is petrochemical companies. And that's Nazi eugenics residue my friends as far as I can tell but me

1:07:46 But maybe we will do a show for the other side before too long. I want to be balanced, but i actually don't know the best researcher to get on for the Jewish agenda side anymore so you tell me! Anyway, I hope you liked this one and I hope it filled out a few more areas on your deep state map. I think Recluse is right about the distrust being so high right now that they're gonna want a distraction event we've seen it before and we recorded the show just before Comey was fired from the FBI That's why you didn't hear it mentioned But I'm sure this saga also has the administration looking for a bigger tragedy than their shady operation So be awake

1:08:25 Be ready. You do not know the hour when World War III is coming and if you like the first hour here, of course there's always a second if you sign up for THC+. It's $5 a month for five extra hours and lifetime access to the forums There are three-month six-month full year options recurring non-recurring check money order Bitcoin whatever I want to make it easy so get on the ride in this second hour We talked about the impact of China's decision to open up their securities and insurance companies to foreign ownership, how recluse balances the positive personal experiences with psychedelics with knowledge of deep state connections around the psychedelic movement and that the introspection facilitated by these compounds probably didn't line up

1:09:12 all that well with deep state agendas. I really liked that part We talked about how Recluse takes issue with the trend of conspiracy researchers focusing on the distribution of entheogens rather than opioids, considering how much more damaging they are as these opioids are the ones that are synthesized and pushed by big pharma We got into the strange history of events along the 33rd parallel and how that relates to the idea of a Faustian pact or the potential for some type of spirit bargaining by elements of the American machine. The true nature of the elite and entity connection? Are they in conscious contact, are infected by a parasitic mind virus

1:09:51 Why it's interesting that William Shockley specifically would be chosen as the inventor of the transistor if it was in fact a ruse to hide a more occult origin. We talked about Secret Wars Vatican Edition where we got into the Jesuits and Knights of Malta, also how Skull & Bones dominates the military industrial complex and the death of David Rockefeller, and how that might affect power structure and plans for the elite. Other stuff is well, its action packed! Quite a bit of stuff I enjoyed, so big thanks again to Recluse. I did like his point about LSD not being that great for mind control but maybe it is good for other agendas like trying to gain insight or map other realms? I think that's a great point! But anyway do check out his blog thisupview.blogspot.com

1:10:45 Just look in the show notes. He's already put up a new installment of his High Weirdness and The Far Right series, I'm sure that's a good read! I already see the Skull & Bones logo here... And also, I haven't done this in awhile but playing us out today is a band called Seven Day Sleep because they asked if I could close out a show with their song Red Lipstick Murders and I thought it was a pretty great song so I'm happy to do that. I want artists out there to make it especially if they like this crazy show right? But that does it for me today, I am getting out of here. Your move deep state dimensional door openers underground occult fascist factions of the far right and the interdimensional entities of the other world that you work with... You're fucking dead. 7 day sleep!

1:12:09 Sorry, cause I don't have time for the teardrops. Hand me the ass so i can start to chop-chop One body two body three god i cant stop but Say goodbye! Time to save! They dragged up the bodies from the bottom even again They rang the bells oh they gave me the death my message on

1:13:34 Because I don't have time for the teardrops Hand me the axe so i can start to chop chop One body, two body three god i cant stop Right now! Time to make a song! Time! Make my soul! To sing! Time for good old fashioned black magic I summon my own carpet Freakstar battle

1:14:25 So tragic, they should stop them Embraced your maggots slow In my soul I've been hidden inside Turning into a ghost The witch called me a glitch On the sun, light of the moon And the eclipse won't end till I'm gone Say goodbye! Time to make a fall with the man inside Time has saved my soul