SMQ AI | We All Died In 2012, The Mandela Effect, & The Changing Timeline

00:05 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats All right, higher side chatters a new year. A new take on the THC introduction here we have a throwback to the intro that started it all a little less aggressive maybe a bit easier on the ears than it once was but new listeners have asked me why the higher side chats and so I think it's because they didn't hear that intro and that intro says at all

00:54 But welcome dear people to 2019 I just wanted to step in before we get started on the first show of the year or second show if you heard the higher side holiday special for plus people. But during the holiday season I got some people asking me for something really wild to end the year. That's what they wanted for Christmas and while i am just a bit behind that request in classic stoner fashion, what I do have is something very wild to kick off the new year and that wild thing is a deep dive beyond the basics of The Mandela Effect with a researcher in that community who has plugged it enough to tell us about

01:34 where it's been going lately. And the Mandela Effect is a difficult one for me because I obviously think the substrate of reality can be accessed and most likely manipulated, I also think there's experimentation going on within this context that could cause strange alterations purposefully or even as an unintended side effect...and when i hear about something that has supposedly been altered if it's not something I was familiar with well If the premise is that it's changed now, you can't really go back and verify anything or experience any alternative. Sure some of the examples people cite could be explained away with Occam's razor rationalities but it is getting to a point where people are cataloging too many abnormalities to be ignored

02:26 And if there is something to the prospect of time travel or cosmic shifts in consciousness, or everyone's favorite particle accelerator at some point you would expect to see some indications of some of that. Maybe that point is now. Sending that smoky signal from post-singularity San Diego! Let's do the damn thing. Bring them in Charlie It's The Higher Side Jaxx Podcast but you can call it THC Always talking fringe ideas, digging up conspiracies Stuff they don't want you to know it's the stuff we wanna see That's life here on The Higher Side It's the place for me. It's my favorite show where the guests are great And my mind gets blown, The Higher Side Love The Higher Side

03:24 Raise your glass and toast to Carl Wood, the host on The Higher Side Chat Show! That's life here on The Higher Side Chat Show! Welcome back to the Hiresite Chats. I'm your humble host, Greg Carlwood and i'm hearing more and more from people who are of the opinion that reality has felt a bit strange lately And what do I know about how reality is supposed to feel? But when you talk to the synchromystics they've seen the symbolism spiral into absurd proportions in the last few years When you talk to the conspiratorially minded even they are shocked that we blinked and suddenly all the 5G surveillance state smartphone obsessed end games one would expect seem to be in play

04:19 And even when you talk to regular folks, just trying to rationalize our reality show president and this era people have been calling post-truth. They are struggling! And then to top it all off we have the Mandela effect Sure I can accept that even though i remember Berenstein instead of Berenstain maybe its just my hazy smoke filled memory But the list of odd examples people have compiled has been growing more each day and when you run into one that resonates with you It's a pretty unsettling thing. And the Mandela Effect experiencers have grown into a full-on community, or movement, or maybe even religion!

04:56 with its own growing language and terminology, its own subcategories, conferences and even support groups. Because it's not just tweaks to famous lines in pop culture but important elements of history changing geography and in some cases individuals wake up to missing friends or family members that no one around them remembers existing at all Are the timelines changing? Has the singularity been reached while we were staring into these digital scrying mirrors we carry around, or did some underground particle accelerator break the big machine. In the era of AI transhumanism and CERN experiments can we ever really be sure reality hasn't been broken somewhere behind the scenes And what is reality anyway a simulation a dream an archon controlled prison planet on a perpetual treadmill of death and rebirth

05:45 It is hard to say, but today's semi-anonymous guest made a big splash on his YouTube channel SMQAI when he boldly proclaimed that his explanation for the strangeness lately is that we all died in 2012 in a mass extinction event. And as our consciousness deals with the shock, we're slowly watching reality unravel An intriguing idea we're going to unpack today, so park your ass pack your glass and let's get into it. Mr Mandela effect of the afterlife SMQ my good man welcome to the higher side Oh that was wonderful and I have to say i've always kind of thought about what you would say if I was ever

06:24 ever to be on the show so you did not disappoint thank you so much for that i appreciate that are you got it i mean i'm just trying to pack all this epic stuff into a few sentences that are attention grabbing and how can they not be this is some wild stuff man your working with some interesting premises And you talk about so much on your YouTube channel that is of interest to me. New chronology, cymatics the cycle model of time rather than linear time transhumanism singularity it's all juicy and fun stuff but I gotta kick this off with the most unique element of your worldview we all died in 2012 how did this notion arise? Okay

07:10 How everything sort of happened was if you were to take a sort of linear time construct way about it, that's sort of an inside joke but what happened was I discovered the Mandela effect on YouTube, and whenever i discovered the Mandela effect... ...I think I pretty much found it like everyone else did. It was sort of on a lot of larger channels, a lot more poppy kind of channels And it was sort of the surface ME things that generally most people at first stage they'll find You know? Life Was Like A Box Of Chocolates, Bernstein vs Bernstain The standard fair kind of thing

07:49 And then as I started to really think about the Mandela effect, I was very much familiar with conspiracy culture anyway. But the Mandela effect for some reason it really resonated with me and then i started to listen to disparate other videos that were probably a level deeper about the Mandela effect. I started to hear 4chan strands talking about reality being kind of a matrix talking about. Reality itself being uploaded to servers and all kinds of really out there ideas about what happened but, what really spooked me out was the video about the Lindbergh baby and I couldn't actually remember did they or did they not find the Lindbergh baby? And this was early on i would say that

08:39 For me, it was sometime around September-October 2016 when it really started to hit me. And one of the conclusions that the person on the video came to was that The reason why we're not remembering whether or not the Lindbergh baby Was found or wasn't found was that We're already all in the afterlife and That really shook me up quite a bit It came together at a perfect time in my life because i had recently had a string of deaths and my family. So i started thinking about life in the afterlife and the meaning of life and all these really deep philosophical things that you do from time to time when things change around you all the sudden,

09:24 And then i remembered terence mckenna and his time wave zero in twenty twelve and how it ended in twenty twelve and then, i remembered everything that was building up towards that twenty twelve thing right. And the whole zeitgeist idea you know the singularity and i just started to think about the mandela effect and i was sort of doing this thought exercise you know sort of on-the-fly off the cuff What if the Mandela effect itself is the first sort of symptoms of reality itself breaking down? Because at that time, what was very popular with the Mandela effect was CERN, CERN, CERN.

10:05 they had turned on their particle smasher and somehow we all got sucked into some sort of black hole or there's a million other subsets of what happened in terms of the CERN idea, the CERN world of the Mandela effect. And it's almost limitless, the ideas of what CERN did to us but I went into another different direction altogether and I started thinking about the idea of what if there was mass extinction event And the one video about the Lindbergh baby, he wasn't very specific. But I started to think about trauma because when I was 17, I was in a terrible car accident and I had a near-death experience. I was under for about two weeks and I don't remember really the accident

10:53 And i only remember bits and pieces during the accident as it was happening until i went to the operating room and then i don't remember anything after that. Show me a very traumatic event for me and i started to think about, What if, you know that's you've got the macro and then you know you've got the micro. And I remember how i reacted at me as an individual to a traumatic event like that. And it took I'd say a good year for me to really get back on my feet mentally after something like that And I started just to play around with that idea, a mass traumatic event. And at the time there was such a beating around 2012 it was almost like it was in the air and you know everyone used that word of the time, the zeitgeist, you know? That was the thing at the time, it's such a hip thing that everybody was saying but also too it felt a lot like the 2000 thing You know the Y2K thing It was just everywhere, it was in the air, you could feel it, it was electrical So I decided to put the two together

11:55 And at the time I had a YouTube video with really nothing on it, so by my second video I started to form that idea. The way that i put it was what if instead of CERN for the Mandela Effect there was a mass extinction event during 2012 and As we try to cope with the, you know collectively we're coping with the trauma. What were all doing is sort of playing out our lives in a way that we think it should have played out and I said in terms of the extinction event itself imagine it being like a rock hitting a calm body of water and those echoes as what I called them how they kind of wave out away from that trauma event of the rock hitting the calm body of water

12:46 And i said there's echoes they get more and more faint as they do they dissolve into a silence but if we are those rebels, where going to dissolve in the probably more chaos right and that would be the breaking down of this things. Add demand de la fact is a perfect example of the breakdown of those kinds of things because ultimately what were talking about is something very profound that I think a lot of people miss, that are sort of on the pop level. Sort of clickbait level of the Mandela Effect and what we're really talking about is what we've assumed about the linear construct of time. That there's a past, there's a present and there's the future And the only thing that's supreme is the present

13:40 The present will determine what's in the future and the past, the past is now completely muzzled. And it sort of frozen and it cannot be moved Now what we're talking about with the Mandela effect Is something incredibly profound that the past is not at rest The past indeed is changing and What if this is the beginning Of the past coming alive? Now certainly something had to have happened or something would've had to change. And at that time I hadn't gotten that far with it really, by that point i was still going with the 2012 thing and i was really trying to understand life and death what it all means

14:31 And that's where I started my We Died in 2012 series. And because of the We Died in 2012 series, My second video... It was crazy! I gotta tell you it blew up overnight. It was very strange and I think I did the video that afternoon and by the next day I had maybe four or five thousand views and you've got to keep in mind at the time my channel was just maybe a dozen, two dozen followers if that. It was mostly people...my fellow cohorts MEs on YouTube and i don't know how it caught on or what happened but eventually over the coming weeks and months it ended up getting you know i think we're running at 162 000 views and to this day i'm only a channel on youtube

15:21 I think i'm just breaking 3,700 subs. So to have like a hundred thousand views it was out of control I ended up having to turn off my notifications on my phone because it was blowing up so bad on my phone. So obviously a lot of people had an opinion about this and it was disturbing a lot of people, when I realized that you can just put an idea out about life and death in something very basic and it can really shake people up You can really do a number on someone just by posing an idea The way in which i post the idea because you got understand at the time when i started that we died and twenty twelve series i didn't expect an audience like that. And a diverse audience like that meeting it was all over the world are different kinds of people and to this day i still don't understand what happened,

16:16 My biggest day I think i had like five or ten thousand views in one day and by that point i may have had four or five hundred subs at the time so it was very disproportionate to exactly what i was. Well i know a lot of people did send it to me and thats obviously how i heard about it why you're here, It is a really compelling idea also i wanted to say that the limburg baby for people run familiar. Charles limburg his son was kidnapped from his home in the thirties, And that might be one of these things that has two answers or a story that people remember versus different thing written down in the history books. But I wanted to get deeper into the Mandela effect for that reason because i know your typical focus is not laying out examples of the mandala effect but

17:08 Just so we can make the complete case and like i said in the intro. They might not all affect every person listening but when you're hit with one that your share was x but reality is saying why it is a trippy experience so, Maybe you can tell us about some of the big ones i wrote a few down that are obviously the first go to use one is. In star wars no i am your father rather than luke i'm your father and that's me as one that you can always chalk up too, Parody like that line has been used so many times without luke for context people don't necessarily know it's being referenced to that's a weird one but i remember, sex in the city they say at sex and the city is the name of show i remember life is like a box of chocolates from forest camp. The internet will tell you what life was like a box of chocolates

18:01 I remember interview with a vampire i have the dvd but people say it's interview with a vamp or interview with the vampire and i wish i had that dvd for reference at this point, what another one i think is pretty interesting is. Mirror mirror on the wall apparently if you go back and watch it's magic mirror on the wall so there are all these weird ones. But what were some of the ones that got your water some more that you find to be pretty convincing, One of the ones that I always use and, i use it for a couple of reasons. And actually used this last week What you need to do is find someone that you respect That is probably in their late 40's onward and someone who watched Johnny Carson It's perfect what you do is say Do You Remember Ed McMahon

18:56 And most of the time, because back then there were only usually three channels and maybe two or three local channels that everyone had. So there's a good chance that they remember who Ed McMahon was and what you do is you say Do you remember anything else he did besides the Johnny Carson show? They'll obviously bring up the talent show we did and that's fine but no matter what I have yet to find someone who doesn't bring this up they'll bring up Publisher's Clearinghouse. And I'll ask them without leading them whatsoever because they have no idea what i'm about to let them know about. You know, okay Publishers Clearinghouse that's great can you specifically tell me about what he did with Publishers Clearinghouse and they...to the person and I understand this is just myself in my own kind of poll but To the person they go well They would arrive in this van and they would roll up with this big check and balloons

19:58 Who is the publisher's clearing house check where you win a million dollars and everybody would jump up and down in there with excited. Can you tell them no that never happened when they start to battle with us it did, i mean finally get to the point where u have to just google it wiki yet and you gotta see the looks its anywhere from har to they still don't believe it. Do they don't believe it never happened and then the excuse that's given from wiki to google, that we've all misremembered. And this ME makes it so profound as its twofold One in order for this ME not be true and for us to be misremembering you have to have made this up in your head on your own and carried with you until the internet age was created okay? You had to all remember at the same exact way

20:56 And then you have to all misremember it the same exact way, and then whenever you find out that it never happened... You see, you have to still stick with that belief inside your own personal head. Because not one person that I talk to that remembers they don't remember him bringing up a pony or a cannonball with like glitter every detail they remember is the check, the balloons, the excitement, the jumping up and down They drive up in a van it's publishers clearing house there are couple people who are wearing suits

21:34 There's usually a couple jumping up and down, they're very excited. So it's always the same thing and science what they're saying about the Mandela effect and why this particular one is so powerful is that indeed simultaneously everyone created this in their mind and they held it for decades since the 80s. Well I remember what you were talking about At least i think i do but if you google it what is the reality. They said that it's a common misnomer that he worked for publishers clearinghouse and then add mcmahon actually work for a competitor and back in pedder indeed. Add its own campaign and everyone is remembering it incorrectly but the big thing about, the publishers clearing house saying his there saying that the commercials on all those checks and all of those things that never happened well that is interesting i guess apart me as like

22:36 Isn't it more likely that maybe there was a copycat company that i just wasn't aware of i was pretty young though for this particular example. But yeah i listen to you do some exploration of, some world war two stuff and of course i'm not history buff either but did think that history is being tweaked or slowly retroactively changed the make a different outcome for the war and that's reality now. I think there are some really interesting ideas in that with all the under the radar tech at the time and survival of a lot of the nazi apparatus i could certainly entertain,

23:16 that people now who might have discovered some weird timeline manipulation technology would go back and work towards making alterations if it were possible. And maybe we're looking at some early test cases, the CIA with MKUltra they would just test whatever they could do and maybe potentially someone messing with the timelines would think here's some mundane examples we could mess with without a serious butterfly effect that destroys everything. Potentially, that could be why some of the examples seem mundane." No I totally agree with that. I totally believe the first part of the Mandela Effect was a beta test and it was... We're going to change a few lines and the Ed McMahon thing was the closest thing they came to something more sketchy more profound because

24:07 Why i like to bring that up about publishers clearing houses usually take someone who's a bit older to remember it so that way at someone of authority this isn't some. Friend of yours and they're trying to remember wild night out this happened for over a decade the publishers clearing house thing, And this also happened to a generation of people that was pretty no-nonsense in terms of their memories with entertainment because unlike our generation, where it's unlimited they had a very limited scope in terms of their entertainment. So they very much remember those big cultural moments and Agnec Man showing up with that check there was a very big cultural moment and that didn't happen so they had to have dreamed that up

24:51 But I think that was a great beta test. I think Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Life is Like A Box of Chocolates, Sally Fields You Like Me, You Really, Really Like Me and they were all very much Hollywood based changes so It's very interesting you brought that up. I too believe that was sort of a beta test, now what we started getting into later on which is a bit more disturbing was that some of the facts because i started to cultivate kind of a crew on twitter and we all started talking about different kinds of ideas and philosophies in research

25:30 One of the better researchers that I work with alongside Chick is Agent Asian Smith, and he's from Canada. And what he does is... He goes out and can find the most arcane references in terms of historical facts. What he unearthed was the fact that things were changing slightly. Slight tweaks in World War II but slight tweaks that mattered For instance The common knowledge at the time was that the only attack that had happened before 9-11 on American soil, was Pearl Harbor. Right And now we've come to find out that indeed the Axis powers led by the Japanese on the West Coast they did attack Oregon They have attacked California They have attacked Washington State They've now held territory in some of the islands in Alaska

26:28 There is this thing that's formed called Tornado Alley off of the outer banks of North Carolina, that killed over 5,000 civilians because Germans attacking commercial vessels off of the East Coast. And as we kept looking further and further into it these things would crop up more and more and more and there would always be just a subtle change or subtle tweak and then we found out about the Japanese balloons, and it started out whenever we found this bit of data that they took these nine balloons. And through the jet stream they armed to the balloons with

27:12 devices that would explode and the idea was to use the jet stream to get those devices into either Canada or more northern parts of America anywhere up north in america and what they wanted to do is set the force on fire in order to do damage to the interior of the country. And what really bothered us all there's no way you can prove any of this when we experience that next week it jumped from nine to thirty nine thousand balloons I think they're called Fogu balloons. Weird! But you can just look up Japanese balloons, World War II incendiary devices and it'll show you... And it will even show the schematics and we just got this rush of people who were either their uncle or themselves or their father or their grandfather or whomever that was in World War Two

28:03 they remembered none of this. And these were people that were, they were on the West Coast, they were on the East Coast, they were in North Africa, they were in Europe... They were all over the place and nobody remembers that there was a shelling inside Washington State and I believe the longest shelling was somewhere near Santa Barbara and I believe that lasted for over 12 hours where the Japanese shelled just off the coast of California Huh. Yeah, well that is sort of weird I know World War II was very complex and there's probably a lot of threads that just weren't highlighted in my high school history class But still i don't think i've ever heard about the three west coast states all being shelled by the Japanese It was always just Pearl Harbor and Hawaii like you said? I don't remember anything on the mainland but i'm sure you've talked to people more knowledgeable than me what did they have to say about this

29:02 Yeah, and that's the point when we started to do our show in uncover these things. We were saying look if you're a professional historian your professor whatever it may be we understand. You made me these kinds of things but one of the more insidious things about them and de la fact what makes it So hard it's sort of like trying to hold light the problem is that the idea behind the mandela effect is that there's either. Mandela effects shifts in which their shifts to reality and you have shifted to a new version of reality or that was always the case,

29:40 And if you've made it, we call them shifts. And if your an ME and you've made a shift You were part of this one version of reality and now you shifted to this other version of reality. Because wer're such a small population I wouldn't go as far as say people who don't notice are NPC's I would prefer to think that what they are is everyone has an ME you just haven't noticed yet You haven't had that moment yet because oftentimes people who get as deep as we do, it's almost a spiritual experience when you come to realize that reality is not the way in which it was presented to you. And oftentimes I talk about this chain of trust and I often talk about people like Anatoly Fomenko if your not familiar with Fomenko work

30:27 he goes back and one of these bigger ideas is that there's about a thousand years or so of history, that's really not accounted for in Western civilization. And the idea if you want to be conspiracy minded is that this thousand year was either created an order for their to be a western mythology built? Or it was moved around and it was altered in some way. And in order the current technology in that current history that we have to make sense, that's how this was made. And oftentimes I started to think about and i was reading Fomenko work at a time when I became an M.E., I thought wow what if Fomenko his frustration because he was a mathematician in Moscow with the Moscow Academy of Sciences is frustration was that everything you would dive into in history which just dissolve

31:24 Right in front of them no matter what tools you use no matter how far he went and he would go to. Write the source of whatever he was looking through he couldn't really prove it would seem to dissolve in front of him, the book you can tell is a constant state of frustration And I thought, wow what if like we're doing with World War II when you really look into something even something that fresh it sort of dissolves and these facts suddenly begin to move and change on you. There can always be someone that can say no, we always knew that but they are in the minority just like we are saying no i don't think that happened

32:04 And all we have is the credentials of that person going on saying, no it did happen because I am a history professor and i specialize in this part of history. So it becomes this battle of wills It becomes this battle of who are you gonna believe? And it goes deeper then You start to understand The true insidious nature Of the Mandela effect That is, The Mandela Effect In alot of ways Is like the double slit experiment And if you look too deeply into reality, it does react to being observed. Reality at the quantum level reacts to being observed and so does history. It reacts in the same way and that's sort of what I've come to believe

32:56 I always joke around that our Mandela effect channel may not be the biggest but we're the deep end of the pool in terms of trying to pull together these ideas because we started pulling things like Abrahamic religions and understanding what is this concept then that we have a time. What is this thing of time, what benefits does it have for us now? What does it do for us We know that time for the most part is a way in order to have some kind of economic coherency to something. We also know that time, particularly the future is used oftentimes as a behavior modifier and order for you to fear the ramifications of your actions there has to be this illusion of the future that you will never get too

33:43 And i have to confess right now just full disclosure I practice the power and from that car totally so. I don't really put a lot of stock in the future and that was well before i became any anyway, so i dont really let that be a barometer to my beliefs or anything because For people that don't believe in the future and i always say no one will ever get to the future no one has ever been to the future you will never go to the future. And then people always say well i'll see tomorrow then they see me tomorrow and they can see, where here like now your store right i think it's a compelling idea i've heard people express things similarly too

34:23 All of your worries generally come from obsessing over the past or worrying about the future, but if you concentrate on the moment you're almost always fine. So yeah, I think the power now is a great way to be. I mean...I'm all for it! I wanted to step back to the idea of multiple timelines because you mentioned that and i've heard terms like new earther and old earthers And I've also heard people talking about The Orion arm versus the Sagittarius arm of the galaxy and I guess I put it together is the suggestion that we have moved within the Milky Way. Is that one of these things and people are thinking, That based on your timeline you could actually look and see where we're supposed to be in the Milky way? And identify where you are in this tangled web of multiple timelines Well what happened earlier on in The Mandela Effect was there was a Sagittarius versus Orion

35:21 There's a pretty famous Carl Sagan, I think it was who is talking about what he talks about which is space. And in it he notes that we are in the Sagittarius arm and we call that residue That we were in the Sagittarius arm and now We look like we're in Orion's spur but It has been in the last week or two That too is changing now And that is not longer something getting fuzzy You got to understand the Mandela effect is not static it moves It keeps moving and things about the Mandela effect keep moving And now if you go to look it up where we are in the Milky Way, it's starting to merge The language of the Sagittarius arm and the Orion spur so eventually Old Earthers versus New Earthers. I call myself an orphan of Sagittarius because at the time

36:14 That was very plain in twenty sixteen and that is becoming more and more money now yes there was exactly what you said it's. There was that separation and in terms of older versus new workers, There was this idea of individual shifts and the concept was still being developed. So, you know I used to always say not my planet as a way of kind of conveying everybody on Twitter that i considered myself... ...I mean an old earth or from the original earth but now that it seems like the ideas everyone is talking about is that it wasn't a one-time event That now this thing's ongoing

36:54 So it's kind of moving a bit away from that, but to those that have been into ME for awhile you still remember that old kind of language we used at the time. But now... We seem to almost shift it got to where was monthly then weekly Now people depending on the Schumann resonance and some other things they're trying to tie down ways in which to markers indicators show that there is a shifty coming up or were in the middle of an ME shift We're just posting any shift and things like human resonance in other indicators right can you explain that a little bit the human residence project to think we've talked about it on the air before but it's interesting data and correlation with the mandela effect yeah sure is this basically the shaman residents is. And there's I think entire twitter feeds and maybe even more

37:45 I'm subbed to a couple of them, where it shows spikes in the resonance in the frequency of the Earth basically. They call it the heartbeat of the Earth and its vibrational frequency changes as it moves around and changes It's sort of like speeding up of a heartbeat versus slowing of a heartbeat And there used to be an acceptable range of Schumann Resonance that was out there before Now we have these spikes well above that acceptable band that used to be out there. Some people have noticed that when those spikes happen, people have ringing in the ears they have dual memories of past events they have headaches we notice that when there's been changes in the anatomy Mandela effect changes in the anatomy We all can come together and talk about certain parts of your body hurting or waking up in pain particularly the skull

38:45 your mouth, your sinuses and there'll be these kinds of changes. And I don't know who made that correlation because i'd love to give them the credit but someone made that correlation to the Schumann resonance set it was pretty high and I don't know what the number is but it's fairly high so that's pretty much how all that's put together Hmm. It is really interesting, man! And another component I definitely wanted to try to fit into this first hour here is technology changes. I've heard you talk about this idea that we're seeing some things appear earlier in the timeline than they're supposed to exist like photography for example Can ya tell us about what you're seeing there?

39:26 Sure yeah it's another one of those things and what i love about the community is some people focus on just one thing and there's a youtuber out their loan eagle. He mostly not specifically but he mostly does technology before its time, And now we're talking about pictures taken as early as the early 1800s now, the early 19th century. And I mean like 1817 now, we've gotten back to... As well as other technologies. There's just countless that are out there and there is weird technology that at least i'd never heard of. There was this technology that used to exist it was sort of like a jukebox but you could watch videos

40:12 and you would watch videos from like crooners in the 50s, and there would be videos I thought videos came about the earliest, maybe was around the 60s. And i don't know if it was used for promotional purposes or what it was but i didn't know that there was a whole subset of the entertainment industry that dealt with videos going as far back as swing music and you could put the quarter in like a jukebox only you could sit there and watch your video And it's very odd and it's very strange. You know, I don't know the name of the device there is a couple videos out there that talk about this thing but specifically I think its these boots were made for walking and who was that by? Wasn't that Sinatra Nancy or something? I know the song but not the artist Well specifically her video It was incredibly risque

41:07 And it was very odd to see that and there's other videos to going back as early is the early forties. And they're incredibly risky for what you would think, you know at least i'm sorry somebody who's in the twenty first century i had an idea about the thirties and forties and this technology a lot of it color in the thirties and fourties A lot of it was at penny arcades or would be boardwalk atmospheres. Nickelodeon's exactly and its very strange in this i'm strange technology that i didn't know existed, add an obviously there is the movement of when the light bulb was created who created flight first now what's not right brothers really

41:50 Yeah, it's not the Wright Brothers now. For a while I knew that there was a battle between Ohio and North Carolina because the Wright Brothers were from Ohio and they did their work in North Carolina but now it's a battle of the Wright Brothers weren't even the first-in-flight which is the license plate saying for North Carolina and I don't think that's the case anymore And these facts, they get more. It's like a flamingo thing the more you look into it the more slippery it gets The same thing with the car or the automobile Now we're reaching well into the 19th century with the automobile. And no, I don't mean the steam engine automobile which goes back to like the 18th century because a lot of people jumped on me for that so i can just go ahead and extinguish that fire right now. I'm talking about the automobile like we know it today The modern engine that uses gasoline not steam So... A lot of strange things you can look into and you'll be surprised

42:51 Yeah, you know I've seen YouTube videos of old black and white footage where you'll see someone on what looks like a smartphone or somebody with earbuds back in like the 1930s. Maybe they're time jumpers or maybe some Bermuda Triangle-like effect popped them into some other time and space but there are interesting examples out there and it might not be exactly the same thing but i guess i would also ask what are your thoughts on just generally where technology comes from i've had a lot of great gas talk about the connection between the occult communications with some other beans and technological inventions ben franklin tesla jack parsons. The connection seems pretty strong there and maybe that's related to wear technology seems to come from or where it goes

43:41 Yeah, it's great that you bring up Parsons. I bring up Parsons all the time if you were to look at technology in a linear time construct Technology is something that a lot of people have to invest a lot of time in and then what you have to do Is you have to do a lot of work in that? If you believe in a linear time construct but if you remove that which is essentially a fossil from The Abrahamic religions and you were to step back from that for a minute Ultimately what you can think about technology is you can think about what you want about technology and rather than. If u got some sort of mastery that i don't understand yet the present and then the past you can inject that idea earlier,

44:30 In the timeline, if you're willing to upset some people like me noticing that didn't exist before and that way you can get a jumpstart on the human power that it's going to take. To birth of that technology and particularly if you think about technology as something that is absolutely the wall between technology in fiction is actually a fiction Parsons is the perfect example. At the time there were no rocket ships, it was completely science fiction He literally through sigils and all kinds of other things he took from the realm of The Muse an ancient realm An idea that he manifested And he went through different steps! And he was able to pull from that realm into this realm

45:30 create and change our environment forever now that's what scientists do the magic trick that's been done on the public is we believe the same exact thing but you believe. What are your personally but a person that believes in mainstream way how something is created or developed It's the same thing only it's done through a lot of hard work and no one questions where the seed of that idea came from. And then, the execution of that idea came from and what it takes to continue firing in the continual instruction manual that will take for you to first get to the point where you have all those elements together

46:17 Now, that fits perfectly in a linear time construct just fine. No big deal! You got somebody who wants solid rocket fuel so rockets can leave the atmosphere... Well you take the Jack Parsons conventional wisdom about it right? No big deal okay?! So he did a lot of work, he did a lot of math and he and his crew they essentially got together and through a lot of luck and a lot of hope they pulled it off or another Another way to look at it is the technology had already existed. He agreed that's what he wanted to do and The sacrifice in the compromise that he made from taking let's say like

46:55 Something you would see in ancient times is that he had to make a change from, you know A chariot that's on fire To a rocket ship and that's the compromise that was made in order for the sensibilities to not be shocked of modern people because if he were to take The exact set of instructions to create a chariot of fire and he were to try to apply that to 1930s society, it would freak everybody out because it looks like a mural you would see somewhere in some ancient southern European former Roman territory. So what he had to do is make a compromise that would adhere to modern sensibilities which is essentially the same thing and that's where fiction

47:47 It becomes something that's much more than what people give it credit for. Fiction helps people visualize first the coming technology, that is going to come into being and has already existed from a long time ago and is just a rebirthing of all technologies so you need fiction in order for people who can't visualize these kinds of things away from them to visualize them in a contemporary setting because essentially what he invented With the solid rocket fuel and the rockets being able to do what they did you can go find that on any mural anywhere else. And there's a myriad of ancient text talk about things like that right like the tax of india and stuff i'd like the idea i've had guests talk about,

48:35 the subtext of the middle east being that it's not about oil we want to talk. Digging up old documents that describe technologies about rating the museums for artifacts and a lot of what, delete secret agenda is digging up all technology so i like the concept In general and it is kind of curious when you see all these inventors also dabbling in the occult or maybe we should reverse that and they're dabbling inventions and there just a cold this. What what do you think the mechanism there that their communicating with some deity are some spirit outside of time and space then gives them, old technology in some new modern container i think the first thing that has to happen like i said you first have to create affection

49:25 Long before we had our computers you had to trace and he would speak to his phone or i guess which communication device on where watches right the first thing that has to happen is. Very simple and it's very easy. You first have to take, and you have to make it contemporary so people can accept what this magic is in a contemporary setting so that doesn't scare everyone then what you do like you said I totally believe thats exactly what we're fighting for the middle east is you go look for that ancient technology and the only magic that has to happen

50:04 Besides, you know whatever rituals or whatever it is that some people may claim this that and the other but what has to happen Is to find that technology and go okay? We have the instructions now from ancient sumeria Or whatever it may be of this flying vehicle That looks like a disc or whatever. It may be The hardest thing to do is to put that in a contemporary setting into people's minds. Once they do that, then what we can do is take these instructions... You know you hear this very often how about this? You hear this very often that sigils look exactly like what electronic engineers deal with whenever you look at any kind of specs electronic specs and you compare them to sigils they look a lot alike

50:52 Now, if you were to bring up sigils and you were say okay make this real and then give it in electrical charge. Charge the sigil okay? And you would say that to a contemporary scientist they call you crazy but if you are too encapsulate that in contemporary language and call it a motherboard and then call it circuits and build an empire language around this thing Then they're going to take what they call instructions which is really just a sigil and their gonna charge it And it's gonna do those things. So really, it's just a matter of making that leap in first building that up so you can almost see what technology is going to come down the road. That Dick Tracy example I talk about all the time we now have that with Samsung and Apple We have phones that we talked too. We had that technology and he does all kinds of things just like in Dick Tracy and just about anything we have other than being beamed up

51:51 We have almost all of it now and ongoing our existence so who knows. Yeah man who knows is pretty wild i heard you talk about something that kinda stuck in my mind in terms of, no we mentioned seeing technologies and not but also the prospect of pulling them out of a timeline of course i don't think the moon landing happened away were told and i think its pre obvious looking back at the trajectory of technology that wouldn't been done then But you know people still believe it if you ask nasa they'll say they lost the data from me, hold saga of missions and they also no longer have the technology to do it strange curious thing for them to say. I heard you mention that possibly someone from a super position or outside of time and space can extract technology out of our timeline

52:46 Yeah absolutely if you look through the lens of the mandela effect with a lot of traditional things you start to see things very differently and perhaps we did something abusive. Because if you don't look at time as something that's linear then anything is possible in terms of technology and technology can be given or taken away, add if u no longer subscribe to a linear concept of time that's how other civilizations too lose their technology, it is taken away from them. And for whatever reason I don't know but that technology has now been taken away from us we can go back to the moon and we have NASA scientists literally saying that and we can get into a whole superposition thing but if you have beings or you have civilizations or you have whatever it may be that is in a superposition that can move in time

53:40 and can take away or give technology at a given point, or move technology around... ...at a given point. Then certainly you have a whole new understanding of why we can no longer get to the moon It was a punishment! You could see it that way or you could see it as strategic, as needed for something else. I don't know but certainly your mind starts to open up to all kinds of unlimited possibilities particularly whenever you take the idea of all technology comes from this place outside the disk because I call it because I see life is cyclical and doesn't really move forward and backwards

54:23 but the way in which we experience it is, the seasons are a great metaphor for that. It's cyclical, it comes back and goes over and over again. It's like a plate! And there can be a body outside of that now whether that's a person or series of people or another civilization. It can give and take away technologies, it can give and take away memories and timelines and things like that And it all starts with the Mandela effect. It all starts with Ed McMahon and those things, and when you start looking at those things there's kinds of possibilities become less and less absurd because if you were to just splash someone cold in the face with this and there is not weeks and weeks of research and weeks and weeks of understanding of it sounds really absurd but here's one thing I'll tell you You know what really sounds absurd? Is that Andy Warhol is on the moon Now that's absurd What do you mean by that

55:23 Andy Warhol is on the moon. There's a Moon Museum right now on the moon, at least I hope a Mandela effect has not taken it away by the time this airs but there's a Moon Museum and what they did at that time was they asked Andy Warhol and a lot of other artists at that time to write on essentially this small little tablet and they all wrote a little doodle or sigil or whatever you want to call it on a tablet The history behind it is these rebel NASA engineers, they hid it from the people in charge and it went up on one of the Apollo missions. And what they did was they set it up and now there's a new museum with Andy Warhol on the moon as well as a memorial for the fallen astronauts including I believe a cosmonaut that is on the moon

56:17 On the moon on the moon that's where the only thing i know of to be up there supposedly is a flag and maybe some golf balls off in the distance. What now there's a museum it's on the main has any warhol can always make that joke because, The Mandela effect itself when you really get into it for a long time and how that came about is my co-host chicken i we were joking around about. How sometimes you can talk about changes in the synchronicities of them coming up in the mandala fact are striking some times it's almost like the mandela effects listening to you,

56:54 And I think she was the one who said, could you imagine if something crazy showed up on the moon or there was a water park or something like that on the moon? And i don't remember exactly how it played out. But sure enough, about two weeks later there was a Moon Museum! You can google and wiki right now And one thing will show that's a hallmark of the mandela effect is they slap the page together and put it up really fast. It's a real cheap kind operation if you read, can you think something like this they would make movies out because it sounds like rock n roll thing to do is take any more holland put him on the apollo just so rock'n'roll

57:34 especially in the 60s and the rebellion and all that, and send Andy Warhol to the moon. There's now a Moon Museum and let's see if you're cool enough to get there I mean... The script writes itself! It's strange, it's weird. It is! And it happened after she and I were talking about that... About there should be more attractions on the moon maybe that way we could prove if we went to the moon or not If there was something worth going back for people would want to go and there'd be more demand Well sure enough now there's a Moon Museum so you have a tourist spot to go too now on the Moon Maybe your power of manifestation is stronger than you know

58:13 And it is really fascinating and as we start to bring in full circle it seems like you mentioned your building out a bit of a network with the mandela effect i know you have a few people you regularly talk to and work with What can you tell us about the Mandela effect research community and those other folks are working with maybe we can give them a plug and also you have a podcast i believe called the lizard ritual which is a hell of a name but tell us about things your work on and maybe how to check in on what some of the best researchers that you know of on this stuff yeah definitely appreciate that

58:54 I do truth frequency radio, if i could give them a plug. They give me an hour on Sundays the lizard ritual which is really just an extension of my youtube channel which is smq space ai or you can just do s and q and look for the mandela effect for me And we do a regular show Saturdays two o'clock eastern called The Lost & Found Ben it's myself and fellow researcher Chick And sometimes we pull in other researchers like agent Asian Smith. The three of us, we get together with all kinds of other researchers as well and then we kind of pull our talent together to formulate ideas and sometimes I do my videos on my own

59:38 And with truth frequency radio there's gully ray valentine and there is a host of others, crow triple seven who is on there. So theres a host of other people that are really great and they do their own kinds of research that sometimes cross with the mandela effect but The thing I'm learning about the Mandela effect is that indeed, no doubt whatsoever is that its tentacles are crossing into almost everything because so much is changing. So much is becoming so strange and obviously Isaac Weishaupt? Yeah! He's a great friend of mine. I've had on Paul Frederick Not a researcher but definitely someone who's absolutely interesting so it just goes on and on with the different people you run across because what the mandela effect do start to realize as you open up with these ideas, you need a diverse crowd of people that are very interesting and if they're interested in those kinds of ideas. They certainly end up being interesting people that's for sure

1:00:39 Wow man, well we really tested the bottom of the rabbit hole for sure. Thanks for taking the time it has been a lot of fun quite trippy keep exploring the weird world and enjoy the afterlife I appreciate that Graham and i appreciate being on the show thanks man take care all right you too oh sweet baby Jesus people happy new year! You're all dead Sorry to inform you SMQ bring in the weird no arguments there i thought he was a great guest I really enjoyed this ride but we are dealing with a couple of things you know number one is largely just a thought experiment right. I mean what if terence mckenna did find something with time wave zero what if the mayan calendar cycle that was being tracked actually was account down to some kind of cosmic switch flip

1:01:32 Our minds are receivers for consciousness they say and perhaps a sudden energy alteration could have us slowly unraveling, rather than realizing we went through it change i don't know give the man points for creativity. And like i said in the interview anyone can put any idea they want into the arena One of my favorite parts of the Royal Tannenbaums actually is when Owen Wilson's character is describing the book he wrote about alternative history and confronts one of his critical reviewers on a phone call, and he says... Well everyone knows Custer died at Little Big Horn. What this book presupposes is- Maybe you didn't? Let me ask you something why would review make point of saying someone's not a genius do you think I'm especially not a genius?

1:02:24 You didn't even have to think about it, did you? I just love that. But what are you going to do? We are clearly speculating here a bit but i did think it rose a lot of interesting points so kudos for throwing that idea in the arena and that's one aspect up today but then i think the Mandela effect is a whole nother beast and i'm absolutely open to the fact that there's something strange in our neighborhood in regards to this unalignment between reality Maybe it is just a result of the internet and having this massive archive information we really consider the totality of everything for the first time to our knowledge were able away the collective everything against the memory of individuals. And also now those individuals are better able to vocalize any differences they may notice word gets out with this internet thing

1:03:19 And some of it may speak to the subjectiveness of reality. You know, ask ten people to describe the same car wreck and you get ten different explanations all that stuff or take into account that invisible gorilla experiment they did at Harvard You know participants were asked to watch footage of a basketball game and carefully count the number of passes until they're watching intently and counting. And then the video stops in the researcher as hey did you notice anything strange well in the film that subjects are watching their busy counting passes, and they miss the fact that there's a guy in a gorilla suit who walks out in middle of court right in the middle of screen and then walks off

1:03:59 Obviously that's something strange and it's crazy that we don't notice that if we're focusing on other details. So when an experiment like that is in play, when we know what we know about realities subjectivity is hard to not at least factor that in or keep it mind when dealing with the themes within the Mandela effect i throw in very real experiments on realities underlying structure that are happening add in this point the timeline twenty twelve that had an incredible amount of focus and attention on it, rowan mckenna's time wave zero. Add the speculation about time travel all these weird examples at stack up things we talked about today it's hard to not wonder if something is going on

1:04:44 I think his points about history being altered beyond pop culture quotes and brand names are pretty interesting. I've yet to be hit with anything in those realms that I'm positive couldn't have happened, you know I chalk it up to my own stoner ignorance in those cases but overall this was more about talking to someone about the breadth and scope of this Mandela effect community It's interesting what people are finding false that they thought was true and vice versa and how it's budding into something that will probably always be with us now as a subculture. And when your history and memory don't sync up, you have a place to go where everybody knows you're paying years Ted Danson's bar where they discuss the changing timelines But let's make this more interesting So we have this Ed McMahon situation that was cited in the show today Did Ed McMahon hand out big checks for Publishers Clearinghouse?

1:05:40 What's all this is false and he worked for a different company and was never out in the field well, since we recorded this smq has been handed another piece of the puzzle. And when you go into the official public papers of bill clinton during his presidency that got all these archives that can read through about the president daily life generally the mundane stuff But SMQ made a video where he shows a particular paragraph from these Clinton records from July 28, 2000 and it reads note the president spoke at 12 30 p.m at the Theodore Francis Green State Airport on arrival in Providence Rhode Island in his remarks He referred to Ed McMahon publishers clearinghouse sweepstakes and the prime minister of Israel so

1:06:26 SMQ, he thanks Buster 1978 on Twitter for the fine. I guess I should as well but it is just one of those things maybe Bill Clinton remembers wrong as well but when you find a Mandela effect that hits you it often hits you hard I remember Sex in the City but I also never watched the show and could have just heard it wrong feel like I remember Berenstain but again the same thing Do I remember hearing about these shellings on the west coast in World War II? I definitely do not, but there was a lot going on. Many people don't know about a lot of the smaller threads of World War II that America had their own detention camps for the Japanese and some German Americans they converted horse tracks to prisons basically The prospect of messing with the world war ii timeline though is really interesting considering how huge an effect it would have

1:07:19 We've also seen a lot of fiction on the prospect that World War II went the other way. What if that's manifesting some actual movement of The Needle? Who am I to say, I just ask the questions but big thanks to SMQ! If you liked the first hour and The Plus Show it gets even weirder...we talked about the geographical changes that the Mandela Effect researchers are picking up on could the Mandela Effect be natural How is this not the afterlife? Archaeological anomalies, changes in nature and the rainbow mountains. And no show would be complete without cats with wings! They're out there people google cats with wings

1:08:00 You know i also really like that bit about the moon museum I look that up too and one of the images is a drawing of a dick which is kind of funny, and SMQ says yeah the mandela effect has a sense of humor about these things. And it's weird cause even with all the moon landing stuff, I had never heard they took this little thing with artist work on it called the Moon Museum So again, I don't hear about a lot of these weird side stories that...I just don't know if they were in the real memory or not. I don't know which reality i am in! But anyway plus people also got to hear a near three hour holiday special this week as a thank you for collectively keeping the higher side ship afloat. I'm always grateful for that and

1:08:53 Maybe that's something that makes you want to jump over the plus side. But either way, hope you enjoyed today compelling and confusing whirlwind of weaponized memory effects or something natural or we're all dead I mean everybody knows Obama served two terms but what SMQ is presupposing is maybe he didn't? Anyway, I gotta get out of here. Your move Mandela effectors memory manipulators and twisters the timelines your fucking move You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think i'm answering the phone while I aim

1:09:43 You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well, you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just Don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself

1:10:41 I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason, you think I might be wrong I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

1:11:36 You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull

1:12:36 Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself