Shamangineer | Ether Theory, Ancient Alchemy, & Ormus

00:05 And it's rough and masters almost surely have a There's clearly maybe something heavy And until you've thoroughly tested every last course Just didn't think you know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss Where would we be without TNT? Cause' we know they're lying to us just don't be without TNT The Higher Side Chat Show Alright people, we know the shadowy elite have dedicated many pages in their playbook to suppressing information technology and scientific advancements that could improve the lives of the people and help us better understand reality. But those of us who are paying attention have recognized the scientific quarantine and seen many indications of the big surprise

01:00 We know there's hidden truths in these areas and that mainstream science is incomplete, and here to help us piece the puzzle back together is an independent researcher known only as The Shaman Janir. For over a decade he's worked in a variety of industries on robotics, manufacturing equipment chemical systems and alternative energy and he knows first hand that we're being held back in more ways than one. After a few interesting posts on the PLUS forums He contacted me directly through the THC Plus messaging system with a ton of titillating research and information that I think will make an excellent show

01:47 I know i've had my mind blown more than a few times already and can't wait to get back into this stuff in his first real interview coming out of the shadows and onto the main stage. Shemajanir, my man welcome to The Higher Side! Thank you very much Greg that's a great intro as always I try man. It's one of the few jobs a host has that they should actually put some energy into, but this is exciting man people have requested many times that maybe i have a listener or member from the forums on as a guest and I've been pretty resistant to it but you hit me with some super fascinating stuff and have connected a lot of dots between previous guests and topics

02:23 have really been some of my favorite. And a lot of this revolves around ether, I guess this idea that many bright minds used to include in their model of the universe but mainstream science has taken out most likely because of its huge potential and we're now given a model of space as an empty void literally nothing to see here people. And again, I guess this ties into a lot of other areas but lay us a base here what is being proposed in this dynamic ether theory? Well, I should just start with what Ether is in itself. Sure! People say oh I pull stuff out of the ether you've said that on your show several times. Is that guilty? It's in the nomenclature people say it but they don't really understand what it means so

03:12 There's kind of a nebulous understanding of it as this other space or something like that. And the understanding doesn't really go much beyond that sometimes people will delve into the actual scientific background of it, but not very deep because we're always told that general relativity, just put the kibosh on that. It's all done with you don't need to worry about ether just worry about relativity and space time is a good analogy to the ether actually because that is the modern ether it's what we use in our conception for

03:55 a way for light to bend and things like that, which is actually covered in the Ether theory. So ether is the medium of light... In the ether model it composes matter and it gives rise to gravity so gravity in the ether model is essentially a flow of either If you imagine a kind of fluid flowing past you and holding you down to the earth, that's an analogy. But it's kind of a spatial fluid. So this is just broad strokes what might ether be conceived of? That's ether with an E. There's also

04:38 was discussed a third, the A e third version of that word. Right? And it's more than undifferentiated ether. It's the ether that is more an informational ether, the thought space there's actually this relationship between the two ethers where one gives rise to the other, the undifferentiated ether gives rise to the differentiated ether. That relationship can account for the transition from material to energy to information and these are the main levels of how modeling occurs in any science

05:22 So you have to take account of matter, energy and information and how those all transpose. There's actually something called Maxwell's Demon which is the concept of being able to make an information change having that give rise to energy. And so Maxwell's Demon is what prevents you from doing that But there was a recent experiment, few years ago where they actually claimed to have quantumly bypassed Maxwell's Demon. So there is implications right there for things like free energy and stuff like that and also that would fit with the Ether model being able to do something like that because that would include a larger informational space beyond our stated reality or observable reality

06:16 That's kind of a base conception of how all this relates to everything from what you can touch, to what you think. Right on! So yeah it's definitely dense stuff and as you mentioned in our conversation I've had a lot of guests who allude to a secret science and an incomplete puzzle but a lot of the dots have yet to really connect And this is the answer as you see it right? Yeah, once I start to get into the history and I'm going to get to that later. But you'll see that ether theory is really what has given rise to those technologies and it didn't start in the 1940s after World War Two. It started much earlier than that. And it has roots going all the way into the Renaissance and the Crusades

07:11 It's something that, you know once you start to get into the understanding of alchemy and how that fits into the ether model then all that will start to make a bit more sense. Right on so if we call the air or the atmosphere whatever we call it ether... That is not really correct So air is an atomic structure its molecular structure actually Okay yeah All these different atoms and molecules But the ether is like the fluid of space. It's the electric fluid as Faraday called it. Okay, so sure yeah I obviously this is fairly new to me in terms of the actual nomenclature and terms but why should you know why should a listener care? What are the implications of this understanding of the environment kind of as opposed to the traditional one basically

08:08 The current scientific model is extremely materialistic. It's based on observations that are very strictly defined in terms of being able to be explained in a rational way with material models. Everything boils down to particles, even dark matter! That's something we can't observe but yet oh well it must be matter right? So do you want to get into maybe some of the best scientific evidence for the ether model? Sure, so I'll go ahead and start with a few quotes from Tesla and Einstein because at the time of Einstein proposing relativity Tesla was one of the main objectors to his model. And So you'll see a bit of his own idea of what was going on at that time? Mm-hmm.

09:06 Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments and they wander off through equation after equation and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. That's what Nikola Tesla said. Now, I'm going to give some quotes from Albert Einstein on the ether because most people don't realize this but relativity requires an ether and Albert Einstein actually said that and these quotes will illustrate that The special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny either. We may assume the existence of an ether, only we must give up ascribing a definite motion to it i.e., we must take by extraction from it the last mechanical characteristic which Lorentz had still left it." So what he's saying there is that I'm using an ether model but this ether can't move so that's where we get the idea of curvature from

10:02 space-time curvature and all that gravitational lensing bending light around objects and things like that it comes from this idea that you can't have Things moving in terms of space time really And then here's another quote from Albert Einstein. It would be a great advance if we could succeed in comprehending the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field together as one unified confirmation, then for the first time in the epoch of theoretical physics founded by Faraday and Maxwell, we would reach a satisfactory conclusion that contrast between ether and matter which fade away." So even Einstein recognizes that ether and matter

10:48 are related, then that there's a kind of transmutation going on between there. That's what I think he was talking about in his E equals MC squared equation. Interesting yeah i love getting the context for those old quotes because it seems like our modern interpretation has gotten way away from even what the guys were saying at the time and uh... It's just kinda weird how we leave out some of even their questions about what remains. But I guess another part of this we should talk about is, what is Ether Drift? So I'll start real quickly with what kind of gave rise to the model that Ether Drift experiments were trying to look at.

11:35 If you think about sound traveling in air or water, the denser the medium the better the transmission. So it'll be louder, better attenuation, you know, you'll pick up more and you hear that with whale songs versus bird songs if you walk away from a bird singing it will drop off pretty quickly. If your underwater its much denser and the whales song will carry for miles But when they were looking at light, when they're first looking at the properties of light. They basically realized okay this is traveling so fast it must be an incredibly dense medium and it's kind of a little bit elastic so can allow these waves to pass through they understood interference of the waves and things like that so they understood that they are working with wave action

12:28 And so that's basically where the model of the luminiferous ether comes from. Now, Michelson-Morley experiment was set up to test the luminiferous ether model So basically what they did was they made a large granite platform I believe or maybe with sandstone it was heavy and it was very stable and then they built a cross array on it that had mirrors and lights, and they would look and they would see if there was drift in this little fringe pattern that would be set up where they were supposed to look. And by observing the drift in the fringes, they could tell if there was any etheric motion being entrained by the Earth as it moved through space

13:16 So if you think about just plumping a ball through water or something like that, you're going to have this boundary layer that gets built up around it where there's less drift towards the surface. But if you're able to measure it and get a good idea of kind of the properties. But the thing was that the Michael Sumorley experiment was an extremely deficient experiment, it only had 36 data points which is fairly statistically significant so when you're doing statistical analysis you want at least 30 data points to have any real statistical significance

13:54 And if you're making a fundamental observation of reality, I mean how many decimal places do they take out gravity or some of these other constants too? Then these guys were only using 36 data points. You can't really make big determinations from that. So today if you go to Wikipedia and look up the Michael S'more experiment they'll say it was a null result but if you actually go and look at the paper which I sent you, then there's more to it than that. That you actually see this small little sinusoidal wave in the raw data they showed there and in their supplement to the experiment they actually say it is obvious from what has gone before referencing

14:45 the main body of the paper, that it would be hopeless to attempt to solve the question of the motion of a solar system by observations of optical phenomena at the surface of the Earth. You gotta realize their experiment was conducted in a basement at sea level so they were right at the surface of the Earth which is being the worst place to measure actually But it is not impossible that at even moderate distances above the level of the sea, at the top of an isolated mountain peak for instance, that relative motion might be perceptible in an apparatus like that used in these experiments. Perhaps if the experiment should ever be tried in these circumstances, the cover should be glassed or should be removed." So they're recognizing that there could be interference from large masses. One more thing before I give up on Michelson and Morley

15:32 We should note that Michelson of the Michael some more than experiment believed in either based physics until the day he died To understand the basic differences in the different types of ether now. I'm gonna start to go into that so there's a luminiferous ether and That's the one that we started to get into it little bit And the way, I really conceive of it is kind of like a cosmic block of granite or that's kind of rubbery, I mean it's very dense but it's kind of rubbery because it's able to transmit these waves. I'm just giving you the context for that experiment so that you can understand what they actually proved in the experiment. Now I talked about what they actually said about it, they said that they couldn't really make a determination

16:23 Now I'm going to go into what is implied by their experiment and then get into the further experiments of Dayton Miller, where he actually did follow their recommendations and go up to the top of a mountain. And take off the covers of the apparatus. So what they were looking for was the luminiferous ether. Their experimental rig was set up for that It would have shown something if it was there. The way I would explain it is, you're looking for hail and you put out a bucket...it's just foggy and you're like there's no moisture here. You know? Kind of thing. Gotcha! It wasn't set up properly to detect what's actually there in my opinion. Okay So the luminiferous ether

17:15 Think of a cosmic block of granite representing space. It was a rigid transducer of electromagnetic waves, while the motion of a rigid ether was disproved by Michelson-Morley it did not disprove the motion of a dynamic ether. A dynamic ether is an ether that's capable of transitioning into other states arrangement. So it would have differing properties depending on the excitations that it was experiencing, if that makes sense?

17:51 Now I'm going to explain the difference between the luminiferous ether and the relativistic ether. So, the relativistic ether is the ether that Albert Einstein was talking about when he was talking about either in his quote now the fabric of space-time that current scientific thinking espouses and it's really rather than a fabric its more of a gelatin because it fills three dimensional space It can curve and it can twist, but it doesn't have real motion to it. Does that make sense? Now like I said before thats where the concept of gravitational lensing comes from is curvature so now the dynamic ether is where space can flow

18:39 and it's the medium of electromagnetic and gravitational transmission. It's based on the range frequency of conduction for electrical signals, and the ether is a compressible fluid like gas but it can act like liquid or solid and possibly even plasma I'm not sure but this kind of the range states that we kinda see in our material world seem to be the sort of states that can appear in this etheric world. And there's also, also the possibility that when the ancients were talking about the elements they weren't really talking about the actual elements that they thought comprised an atom of any given material it may have been these States that were involved in the etheric

19:36 a configuration of that material or something along those lines. Because I think that a lot of ancient people were dealing with this stuff on a more intuitive level, because that's how it expresses itself when it is expressed in people's minds. So I think there is some truth to those conceptions but they aren't in the material realm specifically they're kind of domains of the etheric if you think about it that way. Different ways for this etheric energy to behave, depending on the conditions. Yeah, that makes sense So I'm going to talk about Dayton Miller now He followed up on the Michelson and Morley experiments And he basically built a house A wooden house at the top of Mount Wilson To house the experimental apparatus It was on large blocks of stone

20:31 He had a few different configurations. I think there was a brass one, there was a steel one There was another one that it had different panels There were like panels of cork and panels of glass And he kind of saw how different effects would work on the apparatus if it was heated. He had parabolic heaters he set up all around it to see if heating effects would affect it and basically what he did was, he repeated the experiments of Michelson-Morley seeing if there's this entrainment of the ether around the earth and he was able to detect it

21:07 And he was able to detect its direction, he was able to detect its speed. At the time Albert Einstein actually recognized that if Miller's experiments held up it would invalidate his theory of relativity and this is his quote on the subject He said my opinion about Miller's experiment is as follows Should the positive result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity in its current form would be invalid. Experimentum summa studex! Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain however they would lead to a significantly different theory."

21:48 And that's Albert Einstein in a letter to Edwin E. Slauson on the 8th of July 1925, and it is from the Hebrew University Archive in Jerusalem. Pretty conclusive man! I like that. Now at the time and even today those results of Dayton-Millers are dismissed, and I'll tell you why At the time, they said well it's heating effects from the sun. Now never mind that this wooden house that he had in, he basically had set up like a tent over the house there are all these streaming like linen cloths that hang from the house to help block the sun and distribute heat away from the house and yeah I guess that he corrected for eating with parabolic heaters and also

22:37 the fluctuations did not correlate with the heating cycles of the sun. So, I mean, the argument falls apart right there today. There's currently a paper that's floating out there on the internet that I saw where they're basically claiming well maybe the heating effects weren't really something that was really in effect but we're going to just look at it from the statistical standpoint and they go down that road and i didn't see anything really conclusive from them in terms of why it was being rejected. Their basic argument boiled down to, well we've got computers nowadays so that's why their statistical analysis wasn't correct and it's like wait that has nothing to do with statistical analysis just because it was done by hand doesn't mean it was done incorrectly they had an independent analysis done the mathematics of statistics have not changed in that period time since the 1920s where it would fall apart

23:33 I mean there would be dozens of other things from before. So we developed Maxwell's equations with no statistical analysis that was valid? I mean, come on! Right well they always got to have an official answer you know weather balloons and swamp gas they gotta come up with some way to dismiss stuff yeah it's smoke and mirrors from what i can tell that paper so interesting man i mean that's a pretty good background in context for you know, the validity of this ether theory. Obviously a big part of what we talk about on the show is that our traditional paradigm has problems and leaves a lot of questions unanswered how does this model affect the way we should think about space in our environment in a practical way?

24:18 Well, you asked me before about how this relates to the Electric Universe and stuff like that. And all the things that Wal Thornhill and I think it's Donald G Scott Basically what they're looking at as inspiration is plasma physics. And plasma physics fits perfectly with the ether model Tesla was working with plasmas all day long he first came up with the use of plasma for medical sterilization Plasma is right up Ether physics alley. So whatever back story they put on it, if they have their own theories based on materialist science then that's what they're putting forward but I would contend that the ether model can explain it better while Thornhill talks about the pinch effect

25:10 The pinch effect is essentially where there's counter-rotational plasma vortices that are coming together and they're creating gravitation or gravitational waves. And that's precisely what I talked about in my discussion with you about the Aether model, on the interior of the Sun there is a pinch effect in the center And that's what he was describing, but that is exactly what is modeled from the aether model. And it also models there being an internal Sun in the center of the Earth. So I'm going to start taking into that now. Basically the Sun is a receiver and transmitter of longitudinal energy. So longitudinal or scalar energy basically the best way to think about it is like a twizzler

25:58 In the air, it's this long twisted thread. Actually that is what the Kogi Indians call it – a thread. They live in the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta and Columbia and there is actually a documentary called The Luna where they follow these guys around. They actually have a golden thread made and they walk it along the beach in Colombia as a symbolic act. And they go for like hundreds of miles just walking, carrying this thread dragging it behind them because what they wanted to do was raise awareness of the effect that people's actions have through longitudinal fields to lyric currents that the world energy grid

26:45 and demonstrate to them that what they do down in the valley affects how the animals live up in the mountains where they are. And, they're tired of everybody crapping down there! You know? They're over-building their ceiling off the surfaces you know all the water just gets drained off into the ocean and so they're saying it you know you're hurting our rainfall and they're also digging up golden idols that they've buried meant to be there for ceremonial purposes, but they also tie into the telluric energy. It's affecting the way the plants are growing because of the telluric energies being disrupted, because people are digging up those idols to sell them for gold."

27:26 These are all things that come up in this documentary. Basically, these currents and the Electric Universe model give rise to Birkeland currents which is something that's described heavily in that model they talk about it how It distributes hundreds and thousands of amps, you know millions of volts going through the universe just everywhere. They're just streaming all over the place and they're like yeah here they are! They're all over the place or they're distributing energy throughout the universe You know that's exactly what's predicted by any other physics model

28:04 Okay, so let's get a little bit into Maxwell's equation. So Maxwell's equations when they were originally written They were written in and a type of algebra that specifically had a it had a tensor component or vector It's basically its direction with a magnitude and then it had a scalar component which was a magnitude. But what it really is in space, is a vortex. The scalar is a vortex. It's where all of the arrows once it comes back the other side around to the vortex its pointing in the opposite direction with the same magnitude so they all cancel out mathematically but there still a vortex there! This was accounted for and Maxwell's original equations

28:52 But by the time it got to, you know I think it was Heaviside went through it and he modified it. And Hertz came in and he modified a bit. So by the time it gets to the point where its quote unquote usable then that's been taken out. And so there are very few people Tesla being one of them who understood that still had a major effect and that was something to look into. Interesting, so how does this relate to the idea of the inner sun or the hollow earth itself? I'll start just kind of with formation of suns and planets and things like that. So basically what we call black holes aren't really black holes

29:43 They don't have a boundary layer. They're basically a mathematical artifact of dividing by zero, you know? And everybody's like, oh! Oh! It must be an infinite mess! It'll suck everything into it but no really it's an implosive structure the math doesn't work out to have it described the way that they want it to be described But basically whenever you have these implosive structures and there's an implosive structure at the center of the Sun, there is an implosive structure in the center of the Moon. There is an implosive structure at the center of the Earth

30:23 It's all depending on these flows of plasma and how they twist against each other. Kind of like the Nazi bell where there are these twisting counter-rotating mercury plasmas that are being pulsed with electricity, it's similar in concept to that and that's why all hell breaks loose around that damn thing you know people melting into grey gobs of goo and lifting off and breaking from its moors all sorts of stuff like that. So basically the way that this stuff forms is that there are these implosive, these majorly implosive structures that we call black holes but they're really I don't know what to call them, implosive structures. They're basically these big vortices that come together and then they spray out

31:15 these particles but in there are also these longitudinal fields and they start to carry energy with them and they start to spin depending on the motion of the surrounding universe. They start to form these conglomerations of matter, and these matter...these conglomerations of matter are spinning! And if you have a conglomeration of matter that's spinning, then it won't be a ball. If it's big enough and it's spinning fast enough, it's going to be hollow

31:52 because it's going to all come to the outside. Think about a centrifuge, what happens? Everything gets forced to the outside. Right I thought about that ride at a lot of amusement parks where you line up along the outside wall and then as it spins you can lift your legs up and feet up in the whole game is like trying to pull your hand off the wall and sticks back to it Exactly so if you have large enough energy rotation basically then you're going cavity structure form in there and if a cavity structure forms and everything starts to get stabilized I mean the first third be the formation of the Sun, the Sun would find its place and then it start to form these belts of planetary you know

32:37 you know, debris that would rotate into masses and things like that. And it all conforms to a harmonic relationship. It's actually called the Bode points because there was this guy named Bodie who calculated that these are these planets aren't just spaced out randomly they're according to like resonant relationships between the size of the planets and how far away they are, the size of the Sun and all this stuff. Basically at these points is where these things start to form and they develop this cavity, but they're also being fed this energy from the sun which is being fed this energy from nearby black holes so-to-speak. And the reason is because once you get into this pinch as Wal Thornhill calls it or this counter rotational plasma arrangement then you have the perfect condition

33:37 for there to be a vacuum of immense, immense proportions created inside of there. And that is what actually is powering everything. It's this vacuum energy, the zero point energy that's actually coming out in that arrangement so that that is primarily coming out of these large these large black hole structures and then that feeds into the Sun's which develop their own little implosive Center inside of them and in turn feeds the planets. And So it's all kind of a distribution network if you will Okay, that's what Wal Thornhill was describing when he was describing these Birkeland currents You know

34:20 You know, these plasmas. These plasmids are essentially an indicator of these longitudinal fields I think because once you get the longitudinal field there then yeah all this other stuff's gonna carry along with it but without that it wouldn't form here in the beginning. Right on And I mean it's a lot. It definitely is some high-level stuff I didn't learn this in school, but you also talked about the possibility that the earth is expanding Yes, yes well That's what all this energy is going to yeah You know I mean you're getting us feed from the emissions of the black holes are going into the Sun the sun's reemitting it and

35:02 given a little bit of boost of its own comes into the earth and That goes into it's own little Sun in the center there that is feeding the growth of the earth So there's this constant expansion And if you look at the they look at the ocean floor maps from Noah, NOAA the National Oceanic and what is it? atmospheric Association or something. Yeah They actually have a map of the ocean floor and you'll see that there are kind of these little bursts of growth. And basically all the continents are about 2 billion years old, everybody looked at the globe when they were a kid and they're like well it kinda looks like it fits together! Well you're right, it does. Everybody knows intuitively yeah it fits together

35:55 So basically, as the Earth was forming it had this cavity inside and you know it didn't initially have a Sun. It was kind of this small little rock kind of floating around following the Sun but at some point because it kept accumulating and accumulating more matter and there was still energy streaming into it from the sun...it's kinda like when you have a nuclear reactor if energy flown into it and it's all getting concentrated, boom! It kind of kicks off. So that's what happened there around 65 million years ago is when it kind of kicked off but there were little blips before that you see on the map

36:41 At that point it just starts going bonkers like you'll see huge expansions then we'll kind of chill out for a bit and then you'll see huge expansions and Then it will stop. And if you see the these different areas, where on the sea floor like its 65 million years old It's like 25 million years old and then it's getting closer to To our age in and the closer against the bigger it gets So it looks like, you know these expansive spurts of the Earth from this longitudinal and plasmic and electric. All this energy coming in streaming out of the Sun and out of these black holes is causing the Earth to in periodic times grow dramatically

37:29 That kind of aligns with a lot of ancient thoughts. And it looks like it's been about four times, so kinda like hey we're in the fourth world or something like that? You know there might be some tie-in there who knows but I'm not really saying that they were people around 65 million years ago Who knows who might have told them that that happened. Yeah, I love it man! But this distribution network is a little odd that so much of it meaning the other planets were told appear to be largely useless just big dead rocks or balls of gas It's weird to think the distribution network would churn out all this extra stuff and then This one small planet that all the life is on somewhere in the middle doesn't seem that efficient really well

38:16 I can talk about Wilhelm Reich. Oh, sure! Orgon and the Cloudbuster gun? Oh yeah. So... Wilhelm Reich he was a student of Sigmund Freud and he went into studying Freud's libido And he wanted to see if there was a way to measure sexual energy scientifically So what he did was he hooked up a galvanometer to people and he started to do some experiments And he basically realized there's the real energy here. There is something here and it's showing up in these album meter of experiments, and He was just measuring people surface conductivity at their skin and any realized it was a pulsating energy and What we're talking about as a kind of pulsating energy mm-hmm? and so

39:10 Basically, as he went into that when he started to get into his bionic experiments is where it kind of gets into life on other worlds and things like that. What he did was he took things like grass clippings and he would heat it up to incandescence and then put it in boiled water under sterile conditions. And then he would just let it stew for a while and see what happens And lo and behold, he started watching it. And all these little particles in there would start to kind of form these little balls and then they would start to glow and pulsate.

39:55 he was able to actually grow these little amoebas and stuff like that from carbons, carbon and other silicas. Nothing too exotic there but he was able to do it! And there's actually a book recently written by I think it was a Stanford University researcher It's called Wilhelm Reich Biologist. And he actually went through and looked at all of Wilhelm Reich's laboratory notebooks, and his contention in that book is basically yes I went through all those laboratory notebooks He did the right thing! He wasn't full as shit! Good to know! So i mean... Is the implication that process is going on on other planets even though their environments are extremely different?

40:44 It brings up the idea of autogenesis. This idea that life, it's not a one-off thing. It's not something that's oh you gotta get the conditions just right and all this. It was just kind of like whoa let me burn the hell out of this and then I'll slap in some water here and just kinda let it sit! You don't think that happens every single day? It's kind of like Alan Watts. He says that the earth peoples the way an apple tree apples it just makes people Yeah, I think anywhere life can exist it just pops into existence That's what I think the old Jeff Goldblum quote life finds a way yeah well it

41:27 It doesn't look like it needs to be intended. It really has to try that hard! That's interesting, man So let's get into the history a little bit time is obviously flying by and we're not going to get to everything We had wanted to get to I don't think because we're at pretty much the halfway point But let's get into the history a little bit this you say this goes back To the Renaissance at least the knowledge of this the study of this in some degree Yeah, I was talking more about the alchemical roots and things like that getting into... That gets into the whole Ormus ball of wax if you want to delve into that. Absolutely! What I would say about that is man, of all the things you shared with me You shared this documentary, this trailer for this documentary All The Gold You Can Eat about this ormus substance

42:17 Dude i have not had my mind blown by a documentary like that in a long time because I've seen a lot of shit especially at this point but this unlocked a whole new section. I got never heard of this before and it's pretty fascinating ties into alchemy and modern alchemist and ether theory of course but yeah tell us a little bit about this So I'll just go into the more recent stuff, kind of where it was found in Arizona if that's okay. Sure! There is this guy named David Hudson and he was like the son of like the head of the agriculture department there or something like that and

43:01 75,000 acres or something crazy that he was farming and you know they've been farming it for generations and It was just kind of this crappy soil though. It had this high Alkaline content it was kinda crunchy didn't really retain water that well And so they had to basically go into three rotations on it in order to be able to grow their crops. So he decided, well I'm just going to spray the hell out of sulfuric acid And so he takes these drugs of sulfuric acid and he just starts spraying down the fields. He's still having some issues, and so he did some test fields I think first then he kind of starts doing this analysis on the soil trying to figure out what's going on. And he comes up with this white powder

43:57 And the more he looks at it, he's like I think this is part of what my problem is but I don't know what this is. What is this? So he takes around a few places and they're like uh...I'm not sure exactly what this is and then he gets tested in university and they basically say you know that got this really fancy equipment goes down to parts per billion And it determines basically that he has aluminum and iron and some silica. And he's like, That's not it! This is different stuff. Then they came back and they're like our equipment won't detect it We don't know what it is So... He starts playing with a little bit What he starts to realize pretty quickly Is that this is not normal stuff It does really weird things If you

44:50 Get this powder and then you put it out in the sun. It disappears in a blinding flash of light, it just pops and gone! And you're like what happened? So he started to kind of do some experiments. He talked to Hal Puthoff actually I think he worked at SRI didn't he? I think so yeah. So he talks to Hal Puthoff and Hal Putoff is basically telling him well This stuff's disappearing. Are you sure it's an explosion? Because I think he thought it was an explosion and he's like, It might be an implosion so what they did was they put a pencil they stood up on end in the little pile of this stuff And then they exposed to light and then whoo! It goes but the pencil is still there Like...it didn't move Interesting man, I mean its like an ethereal extraction of some kind this powder

45:48 It well, it's like each each little grain of its imploding on itself. So if it's just kind of like Popping out of existence Yeah And they're all just these little grains all doing it independently until he adds up to a big light But it won't move the pencil Crazy man I've never seen anything like it Now What he finally does is he gets a hold of some Russians and they're like, yeah Yeah You guys don't know how to test materials over there in the West you guys just mess it all up Let us tell you what that mother Russia. Ha ha ha you'll get tungsten electrodes so

46:33 He goes back, he pays this guy like an exorbitant amount of money. A couple million dollars or something to set up his test form custom and basically what they do is they do away with the American style of electron arc spectroscopy. They remove the carbon electrodes, they put in these tungsten electrodes and they rock-and-roll. They get alumina iron silica A few minutes go by and then they finally get osmium, iridium, platinum gold silver all these different platinum group metals. And they're like what is going on here? This isn't... If this is right I've got like hundreds of ounces per ton and that's unheard of in gold mining if you're into that sort of range you are sitting pretty

47:29 If that's the concentration you're getting out of your ore. And so he basically realized that he had something special and then a friend of his started to talk to him about, hey, you might want to look into some of this stuff in the Bible here? He was like I don't need to look at it. Well they are talking about this white powder gold. That comes up in the golden calf story. Yeah, that's what he was pointed to was this story of Moses coming down from the mountain He's got the commandments in hand and everybody is like hey look at a golden calf! And he's like what are you guys getting up to while I've been on the mountain? So they say he took the calf, burned it

48:18 and then it turned into gold powder. And it's like, that doesn't work! You know? And it says they ate it too Yeah well basically you know It's described in a few different cultures and one of them is the Egyptians. In the Egyptian culture they called it Mufkat The thing with Mufkat Is that its depicted as a cone on a dish in the hieroglyphic record And it was said to be food for the light body. So, it's kind of like your etheric body is fed by this stuff.

49:00 Wow man that's interesting, that kind of makes me think of Graham Hancock latest point about the man bags. I don't know if you've seen this but he's been pointing out the same symbol this bag that's in a hand of a lot of carved figures whether it's Sumerian Egyptian even Mayan You see this same bag and he talks about it in conjunction with the cedar culture I think the most well-known man bag picture is the Sumerian ones where they have a pine cone in the other hand. Oh, well, the pine cone? That's dead giveaway for the Peniel clan! Right of course and so then you see this bag like symbol in the other hand and several ancient cultures I think Graham jokingly calls it The Brotherhood Of The Man Bag but it is a bit odd and it symbolizes something It could fit into a conversation about the Pineel and the light body and that kind of stuff

49:51 Yeah, I think I heard him mention that in one of his interviews but I didn't really know what it was in reference to. Sure! It sounds like it could be connected? I have no idea really... Well, I do know one thing though at the end of their lives and the old kingdom the Pharaohs were sent into the field of Mufkat And those are the pharaohs that we don't have any mummies for. We've never found their bodies, we found their tombs but we never found their bodies There's the idea that this may have helped them transmute themselves from a material being into a spirit being I think that may have some validity because there's been a lot of experiments done on the Shroud of Turin

50:44 And basically what they've shown is that there was some sort of radiation that was given off when that image was embedded on the cloth. It has three-dimensional information embedded in it, and the only way in which it could have been put on the cloth was they think, well the only way they were able to reproduce it was by basically doing a polarized scan. So they'd scan in one direction and then they'd scan in the other direction you know 90 degrees opposed to each other and I think that basically what happened was when Jesus

51:27 was in the tomb and he, because there's supposed to be three days where your light body hangs out around your regular body. And that's kind of supposed to be the magic grace period for you to get your shit together and get over to the other side right away. So basically what I think happened was he got in under the wire and he was able to transmute his body into, you know the spirit. But in doing so he left behind the evidence because of the Hebrew burial practices in the form of the Shroud of Turin And I think that that bi-directional light was actually emitted from the pineal gland because the pineal gland it actually has this pattern on it there's actually kind of two

52:18 different fields of activation in terms of the spirals on it, if you know what I mean. You can see a spiral going up around the outside longways and there's kind of one that's at more of an angle. And so I would not be surprised if that was how this information was embedded. Have you ever seen what DMT looks like? When have you ever heard of what it looks like? I've taken it! I've smoked Well, it's actually these resplendent golden... I mean not golden. Rainbow crystals. When the guys who make it break it up these rainbow sparks come off of it! It's like... Really? Yeah, it's crazy! I haven't seen them myself but I've heard and I'm just like

53:10 Well, there's something there. I mean right there you're dealing with some sort of like Pizio electric but also psychoactive material. That's pretty special! There might be some other strange properties that stuff that might be a bit more unexpected. So i think it's a prime candidate for something like that happening here and I mean that fits in with ether model and that's what I've been talking about so far Yeah, I mean it does connect a lot of dots. All these things are kind of quarantined from mainstream society and people might get into one or another but it does seem like there is a relationship between many of these things that are just outside the main stream and I guess I would ask what more can you say? Do you think this at the heart of those whispers in legends of alchemists during the middle ages

54:02 and things like that? Oh, definitely. Yes the Ormus as it's being taught to people I think that's the lesser Arcana kind of the lesser work right That's the stuff where you can take it but you aren't going to really overdose on it It's pretty safe and has a lot of benefits But then there's the major, or kind of the philosopher stone as it were. And the Ormus that you see spread around on the web is white powder but there's also red powder and that's the philosopher stone

54:39 It could also be from what I've heard a solid lump of kind of like Ruby right on but that stuff is Not stuff you want to toy with When I watched all the golds, you can eat they're talking to Don Nance there and he says That when he was making some of the red lion Which is it's a form of this kind of powder powdered gold only they would keep in liquid form when he was making that He gave a lady three drops of the water that was used to carry this stuff over. And he said that she went like,

55:22 She basically, I mean she didn't go crazy because this stuff was happening to her. Every negative thought that she had manifested around her. Wow! So if you thought oh man that cop's gonna pull me over shit he just runs right across the street backs up to you says get me Give me your license! Man, that is hell on earth to have every thought. It's like don't think of a pink elephant and you think of one if you start realizing that every negative thoughts gonna manifest You're gonna create Armageddon real fast Well, that's supposed to be why the alchemists kept The Philosopher's Stone, The Great Work secret This lady only took water that was being used to distill it I mean its...you know this

56:08 This is not the final product. I think it affected her for nine months or something like that, and so for something like that just from three drops? So that's pretty dangerous and actually what the alchemists would do when they would actually use The Philosopher's Stone first they had to prepare themselves mentally And and they had to take a lot of the white stuff first Because that would prepare you physically for being able to take the red. But once you actually took the red, you would get like line up a dozen glasses of wine and you had put a little grain of it they said like you know that the tip of what you could fit onto a pen

56:57 And you put that in one glass, and then you take a drop from that one. You put it in the next one, and then you take a drop from that one, and you put it in the next one. Wow! And do that dozen times. To dilute it that much? Then you drink the last glass. Shit! So powerful stuff. From what I understand, that's about the sort of amount you use for things like transmutation as well. It's very, very small amounts. So what kind of... Why were they taking it? They felt it was the way to opening the third eye expanding the crown chakra all that stuff and if feeds light body is Egyptian say it helps you expand yourself out of yourself so speak

57:47 So, right in this realm to quote something that you had said to me when we were writing back and forth. You said alchemy when used properly is capable of life extension when used improperly is most dangerous as a vehicle for life extraction across interdimensional boundaries and uh that's obviously Interesting. That's an intriguing statement What do you think this could be used for because if we get into the idea that the elite know all about this that they use This, you know They use every tool in their toolbox If this is something in their toolbox How could it be used against the people? I've heard rumors of strobe lights being used in some sort of

58:30 some sort of damaging fashion. Because they actually contain xenon gas, and xenon gas is an azeotrope with these ormis elements in the gas form so in the atmosphere there's these ormis elements in a gaseous form it's also in the water and it's also in the earth It's very mobile...very mobile Basically what happens is with the gas form it gets entrained with other things So that's kind of the way to think about it. Okay, right on man yeah that's super fascinating because okay so the white powder that the movie is largely about there are people who are

59:16 They're taking it orally, they're giving it to horses. They're saying that it increases vitality energy life extension and then this is also I guess technically this is powdered gold because there's you know a test positive for gold in the parts per million so I guess this is... It's they call it Ormus because its orbitally rearranged monoatomic elements gotcha So I mean Gold's the monoatomic element most of the other elements kind of bunch up in little clusters And basically once you get into these clusters, there's actually a book I've got that is called Microcluster Physics and it talks about the alkaline metals and how they all interact in these arrangements. And when it shows pictures...and if you'll actually see where

1:00:04 There's atoms being added to this little cluster, but you can't see the specific atoms. They're all kind of blended together It's it's really weird they they kind of become a homogeneous mass as it were they're all entangled And there's their superconducting too Lot of these monoatomic elements are superconducting Wow, I'm not sure about the base metals but I know that Platinum group elements are Superconducting especially the gold. Hmm if I was gonna list the properties, I would say that there's there's life extension There's super conductivity there's magical uses for it actually and

1:00:50 transmutation teleportation and levitation hmm, and that actually bears into the history of alchemy and The rise of the breakaway civilization right because I believe that it was Alchemists who were developing this stuff late in the 19th century in the middle to late 19th century Who actually? created the foundations and the roots of the Breakaway civilization. Yeah, I totally see that! I think that makes perfect sense and you're probably onto something there So man...I guess obviously You're not selling a book today Is there anything you'd want to plug or any contact info you wanna give out? Should people just find you on those plus forums Well, y'know, I wish this could come out tonight because There is the Wilhelm Reich documentary

1:01:46 And I would have loved to have plugged it before today, but tomorrow... No wait there's three days left. But you're still not going to probably get it out in time. That was an Indiegogo thing and It's got some support so far. It's raised nearly $300,000 dollars to make a factual documentary about Wilhelm Reich It's also supported by the guy who wrote Wilhelm Reich Biologist. And that is James E Strick, PhD and it's from the Harvard Press so but it's supposed to be I mean this guy went to like think like four or five different countries

1:02:33 maybe three or four different countries. But he went all around the world trying to find information about Wilhelm Reich, he visited Oregon on, he visited Norway Germany and he went through everything you could find all available information even right except bi file and he put this documentary together from it And I think that it's something that really deserves support He didn't get enough He was looking for $180,000 in this round of financing but he only got about a hundred and six thousand so far. So I'm sure he's going to probably do another round of financing it'd be really great if people could help with that. Right on something to keep an eye on yeah that's being headed by Kevin Hinchey and it's the Wilhelm Reich documentary film project edit phase cool hopefully it comes to fruition but

1:03:28 Man, Shamanjaneer. I do appreciate you reaching out man! I think this has connected quite a few dots my mind is thoroughly blown so great job on that. I guess take care of yourself and i'm sure we'll do this again sometime sounds great let me know all right man okay peace All right all right last day of the month at zero hour slide another episode into that roster and i love this one i think the secret science shows are some of my favorite guests like wall thornhill and eric dollard in brooks agnew, this one i think was firmly in that vein and i've been thinking about this.

1:04:04 information for the past couple of weeks and looking into it. And I think a little Ether Theory, a little Electric Universe...and this is where i think a lot of the secrets are! I'm pretty convinced. I know we mentioned the Mandela Effect but I can't remember which hour was in and I know a lot of people have wanted to see that pop up on THC so that's good but obviously I think people would like to see a full show on or something more in-depth But large chunks of people have memories that are just slightly different than reality. That's kind of the crux of this whole effect Some people think it's proof of timeline switching or dimensional jumping but it could also be just People remembering shit wrong the most compelling and most famous Example is those books that we had when we were kids called The Berenstein Bear Books you remember Berenstein Bears?

1:04:56 Well, funny enough the real name is Baron Stainbears. But barely anybody remembers it that way I know i didn't and they call this thing the Mandela effect because though Nelson Mandela died a few years ago many people remember him dying A few years even earlier than that when he was still in prison but honestly these things happen everybody knows the famous line Luke I am your father right Well that line is actually never said in the movie the real line when Luke says uncle ben said that you killed my father vader says no i am your father.

1:05:35 But nobody remembers it that way and I think in this case the reason is because when other movies and media want to make references to that scene. No i am your father isn't descriptive enough so became luke i'm your father and then people just remember it that way thinking of that's the way was no movie but its not real line So I don't know, maybe CERN is jumping timelines to get narratives the way they want them and Berenstain became Berenstain as a side effect. Or maybe memory isn't as concrete as we wanna believe but leave it to humans to say no i couldn't possibly be wrong about something The entire universe obviously must have changed. I'm messing around but it's an interesting kind of effect worth looking into because there are so many cases

1:06:25 However, fun show I thought. I feel confident that Shemangineer made a solid case for Ether Theory and he did great job for the first interview Not that THC is really hard to deal with but 2 hours is long time and I thought he did great! I think we'll probably do it again unless the feedback I get is way off from what I expect Of course there will be comments about shutting it off 10 minutes in because he thinks the earth is a ball and so you quote heard all you needed to hear. But I try not to let that affect me too much. I try to think back to 90s television and standards and practices when a late night host might say something that causes dozens of angry Christians to write a letter, then the network freaks out that 0.0001% of the audience didn't like something when they forget that millions of people saw it and apparently didn't have a problem

1:07:20 but nobody writes a letter to NBC saying how they weren't offended by last night's show. I think something is going on similarly with the Flat Earth people, and a small loud segment of an audience can seem much bigger when they're all so vocal but i've said it before the flat earth has some really compelling points i think uh the show with Eric Dubé brought out most of those things but i'm not convinced because I'm gonna say it. I think space exists, i'm a space theorist! I hate to be so controversial but I gotta say it however Ormus and alchemy man fascinating stuff right? Alchemy doesn't seem possible until you really consider ether theory heavily and if spirits or entities can pop into our reality from somewhere else why can't alchemical materials

1:08:12 My simple stoner college dropout excuse for a brain thinks that there might be some type of connection there. You could say this realm is kind of the science of magic Obviously it's a bit over my head but I feel like it connects a lot of dots and I want to find more guests on this sort of topic now for sure. As for the plus show we got into another fascinating saga that hasn't been mentioned on THC, but I almost had the author of this book Secrets Of Delshaw on his name is Dennis Crenshaw But we lost touch because he's pretty much off-the-grid and then synchronistically My next guest Shaman Jinnir brings up

1:08:52 The Sonora Arrow Club, which is what that book is about. And this very same secret society of airship flyers and borderline alchemists may be the earliest inclinations of a type-of-breakaway civilization using these texts It is great stuff, super interesting. We talk about other fascinating stuff in the Plus show and Shemangineer adds some logs to the Stephen Hawking human puppet fire that I had mentioned a few weeks ago but now i'm pretty convinced that they are using a different guy entirely Miles Mathis has worked on this and a lot of people sent me his work. I'm gonna try to get him on but he makes it pretty strong case-the bone structure

1:09:35 Looks like it changed somewhere in the late 80s. But man, so much packed in here today! I hope you liked it! I'm gonna get out of here but if you enjoyed this episode sign up for PLUS and if you already have then get on the forums and Get Deep with Shimon Jiner he's on there trying to start conversations screaming into the abyss maybe now some responses will pop-up I'm sure we can get a conversation going around these subjects, so join that party and i'll see you next time. That's it for me your move sorcerers of Sonora keepers of secret sciences and alchemical quarantiners Your fucking move. Woke up this morning with light in my eye And then realized It was dark outside

1:10:28 It was like coming down from the sky I don't know who or why Must be those strangers that come every night Whose saucers shaped light put people uptight Leave blue-green footprints that glow in the dark I hope they get home alright Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the higher side Woke up this morning

1:11:44 I was feeling quite weird, I had flies in my beard My toothpaste was smeared I opened my window they'd written my name Said, so long We'll see you again Hey Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along I won't do anything wrong Hey Mr. Spaceman

1:12:30 Won't you please take me along the higher side? Hey, Mr. Spaceman! Won't you please take me along I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side?