Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | The Real Anthony Fauci, AIDS, COVID, & The Medical Industrial Complex

00:05 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chat Here we go again, Hireside Chatters doing the thing from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and all i don't want for Christmas is another lockdown or a risky shot but in the name of Omicron it seems like that is what the COVID obsessed system has determined to give us

00:48 And as we come up on almost two years of all this, we're still accepting the same failed approaches and listening to the same ineffective figureheads tell us that we should still just trust the experts and follow science. But what if the experts are corrupt? And the science is biased? Because the reality is that we're experiencing a full court press of propaganda, censorship, media manipulation, data dishonesty, freedom erosion and now holding people hostage if they won't bow down at the altar of CDC and take the sacrament of The Shot. How many rounds of boosters and breakthroughs it's gonna take before the Fauci faithful lose confidence in their God?

01:26 Well, it's hard to say but Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s new book certainly seems like a big contribution to speeding things along It's called The Real Anthony Fauci Bill Gates Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health And nothing gives me more hope than knowing it is already number one on Amazon in New York Times Wall Street Journal and USA Today National Best Seller Because having just read it, it presents an ironclad case with over 500 pages and 2200 well-sourced footnotes that Anthony Fauci is far from the hero he's presented as. And lays out not only his rise to power, his intentional mismanagement of the AIDS crisis for profit... ...and his other crimes against humanity

02:06 but also the structural corruption of the medical industrial complex that the House of COVID was built on. Of course, Mr Kennedy has been fighting the good fight for many years as an environmental lawyer and activist helping to found the nonprofit environmental group Waterkeeper Alliance in 1999 working as the senior attorney for the National Resource Defense Council for over 30 years, and eventually finding his way to the vaccine issue. As the founder and chairman of Children's Health Defense, an organization we've certainly championed around here for quite some time. So let's get into it! The political dynasty descendant using his power for good, the COVID spell breaker and children's health defender Bobby Kennedy Jr., welcome to The Higher Side. Thanks for having me Gregg

02:50 Yes, it is a real pleasure. Big thanks to your son Bobby 3 for helping us get connected unlike Michael Cohen I do read the books of my guests and this one is the silver bullet we needed for truly breaking through this onslaught of propaganda and corruption I feel like I can hand it to even the most diehard believers And they would have a hard time arguing against its contents And I know we only have an hour and there's a lot to try to touch on here. So let's dive into it, I tend to like the start with the history and in terms of Fauci rise to power and his influence in the system there is a lot people should know In fact in 1980 he was even recommended that we abolish the CDC and NIAID because they weren't needed anymore I'm sure thats a surprise for some people but take us back around that time in the 80s where alot of this story seems to start

03:41 Well, Tony Fauci really got his start at you know he came into the agency at 68 running the lab. This is the National Institute for Allergic and Infectious Diseases He became head of the agency in the very early 80s and at that time NIAID was a backwater with a tiny budget and was on the chopping block by the Reagan administration, as you point out along with CDC because infectious diseases had precipitous decline in mortalities from infectious diseases and made those agencies practically irrelevant. And Fauci's great triumph was winning control of the AIDS crisis and this huge budget that came along with it

04:39 from his sister agency, the National Cancer Institute. AIDS had originally landed at NCI because the first primary signal for AIDS was Kaposi's sarcoma which is a cancer that appeared suddenly in a lot of gay men along with this immune system spiral and so it originally... The disease and the research had initially landed at the National Cancer Institute. But in 1983, two scientists Luke Montagnier who won the Nobel Prize and Robert Gallo at NIH posited that they had found HIV viruses in about half of men who were affected and they said maybe this is one of the causes of AIDS

05:35 Tony Fauci used that as leverage to say this is an infectious disease, it's not a cancer and therefore it should come to my institute which is the NIAID. He won control of it in this bureaucratic battle but he didn't know what to do with it because NCI, the National Cancer Institute was old hand at developing drugs and had laboratories set up develop cancer drugs but NIAID didn't have any of that expertise so he had to rely on the pharmaceutical companies to develop drugs for him and at that point, the only drug available, the number one drug in the pipeline was a chemotherapy drug. That had been found...that was developed by the US government and then trash canned

06:31 Because it was regarded as too toxic for chemotherapy remember chemotherapy only last typically about two weeks, it kills every cell in the human body but the hope is that will kill the tumor cells before kills the rest of you but they have to stop giving it to you very quickly. How do you plan what's the date which was too toxic for chemotherapy and give it to people for their whole lives. And of course, the end point was that it killed everybody who took it and ended up killing probably around 330 thousand gay men more people than AIDS at that time. And Tony Fauci got approval that the drug was a drug. It had gone... Axel Smith Klein had gotten ahold of it

07:24 and black so it became the most expensive drug in history cost ten thousand dollars for one year treatment but there was a fight to get all of it because tony falchi told the world that cured aids edit you know that it treated aids and prevent people from dying which is not true as it turns out, he had fixed studies studies were supposed to last for two years but he suspended them after eight weeks Does it work everybody who is taking a seat the only way that he succeeded in preserving the illusion that this was a useful drug. What's the give people in the group,

08:06 Extensive blood transfusions to keep them alive for eight weeks and even with the blood transfusion they were all dropping dead so we had to call an end of this study. After a week any data is track which is used again and again and again which is declared in the world, This drug has been proven in the clinical trials so useful that we are going to end the clinical trials, we're gonna unblind them and give AZT to the placebo group. And we are going to start giving this drug to people who aren't even sick from AIDS but who just have HIV detected in their blood through a PCR test that has a lot of false positives

08:52 And that was really the beginning of this huge die-off of AIDS victims during the mid 1980s to early 1990s when they started cutting the dose. Yes, that's really great context for people to know. And so the government is having this conversation about maybe we abolish these agencies they're not needed and then just a year or two later we have the AIDS crisis it seems like very convenient timing of course followed by swine flus and bird flus and all the rest of it. Yeah within the agency at that time there were memos going back and forth

09:33 It said we need to find a pandemic to justify our existence because David Stockman, who is Reagan's budget director was literally talking about abolishing these agencies altogether because infectious disease were no longer a significant cause of death among Americans. The reason that the deaths from infectious diseases had declined had nothing to do with vaccines according to the CDC. The CDC did a study in 2000 that showed this precipitous drop in mortality and infectious diseases, which is one of the most consequential developments in human health history...in the history of mankind. You know all these diseases like peripheral fever and cholera and typhoid and typhus and polio etc

10:27 that had killed so many, and measles and chickenpox that had killed so many people in the early 1900s. It simply stopped killing people by the mid 1950's. And CDC did a study on what was the cause of that decline in the year 2000 with Johns Hopkins? They found it had virtually nothing to do with vaccines and everything to do with nutrition and sanitation and hygiene chlorinated water, electric refrigerators and good road systems for transporting food. But the agency beginning around 1976 began inventing pandemics. They invented a swine flu pandemic in 76. AIDS came along in you know 83

11:18 And then they invented a bird flu pandemic in 2009, a swine flu pandemic. Many of these... like the bird flu pandemic in 2005 killed one person and yet they called it a pandemic and they sold billions and billions of dollars worth of vaccines. The same thing happened with Zika. Zika was an invented pandemic that never caused microcephaly Tony falchi by promoting it as frightening pandemic that was gonna shrink all of our babies heads with a two point two billion dollars from congress.

11:59 Develop a vaccine and then just disappear. Add that again and again has been what i show in the book is that, add agency this is this car drive within the agents and also other people with welcome trust which is the UK version of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, have also conspired with the WHO to create these periodic pandemics in order to sell vaccines and increase power and reach of the pharmaceutical industry.

12:43 Yes. And in terms of the medical infrastructure that Fauci helped set up, it really seems like a medical mafia when you understand the patents and the royalties and the university's dependence on this flow of funds and how he just keeps control and manages to keep everything quiet. Talk to us about that infrastructure a bit. Well, first of all you have agency capture phenomenon in every agency. And during my career as an environmental lawyer I brought over 500 lawsuits and probably around 100 of those were not against polluters but against the environmental agencies like EPA and the various state agencies because through well-documented dynamic

13:32 the agencies gradually become sock puppets for the industries that they're supposed to regulate. And that has happened with public health agencies, but with public health agencies in the United States, the capture phenomena is on steroids because of this web of financial entanglements between the pharmaceutical industry and the public health agency's that doesn't exist anywhere else within any other agency For example, the FDA gets about 45% of its budget from pharmaceutical companies. The analogy would be if EPA got half of its budget or close to half his budget from coal companies it would put them completely under the control of the coal industry and that is...the CDC

14:28 Add about forty percent of his budget four point nine billion out of its twelve billion dollar budget buying vaccines from the for big vaccine companies and marking them in distributing them to the american people so it is a vaccine company. And if you work for CDC, you do not get career advancement by reporting problems with vaccines. You get career advancement by increasing vaccine uptake that is the metric for success in that agency every year. The metric for success is not public health. Is the health of Americans actually better this year than it was last year? Those questions are never answered

15:11 And we've seen a steady decline in American health, particularly since Tony Fauci took the helm in 1984. When he came in in 68, the chronic disease rate among Americans was 6%. By 1986 or 1988, the chronic disease rate had raised to 12.8%, By 2006, the chronic disease rate among Americans was 54%. And by chronic disease I mean ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics. Allergic diseases like peanut allergies and food allergies many of these just suddenly appeared in epidemic beginning around 1989 and the autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis

16:05 juvenile diabetes, lupus, Graves disease, Crohn's disease, GBS and many others suddenly exploded. Now Tony Fauci's job at NIAID is to do scientific studies to use his $6.1 billion budget, civilian budget to do scientific studies, to determine the etiology of these diseases. In other words, find out what the environmental cause is? What is the exposure we know it has to be an environmental exposure because genes do not cause epidemics so you have to figure out an environmental exposure that's ubiquitous that began in 1989

16:49 and that can cause, using bench studies animal studies you can determine whether it can cause these diseases. And using retrospective study studying their databases You can make those determinations but Tony Fauci not only never does those studies but he also uses his extraordinary financial power to prevent other people from doing it Scientists who actually try to do those studies have their careers ruined And instead, he has turned his budget over to a completely different and unprecedented purpose which is creating pharmaceutical products in partnership with the pharmaceutical industry. Tony Fauci's agency no longer does this kind of basic research instead it spends practically its entire budget

17:48 developing new drugs for the pharmaceutical companies. And I'll give you an example about how successful and pervasive this influence has become between about 2009 and 2016 there were about 240 drugs that were approved by FDA all of which came from Tony Fauci's shop with many of those drugs, Fauci and his minions his top deputies own patent rights, margin rights for those drugs that allow them under these very perverse federal rules to collect $150,000 a year per product for life. His agency also owns patents, for example, his agency owns half the patent from the Moderna vaccine

18:44 and it stands to make billions and billions of dollars on sales from those vaccines. So they're not the regulatory function at his agency has been subsumed by the commercial and mercantile functions, and he's ignoring his job for 50 years which is to find out to derail this increasingly epidemic, this expensive debilitating epidemic of chronic disease, finding out what it is and ending the exposures. Instead he's just developing drugs to treat those diseases which has created huge profits for big pharma." Great points and it's also very convenient for the other industries creating the toxic bullshit that he's not looking into that. And so there are many parallels between the story of AIDS and COVID with Anthony Fauci being front-and-center in both situations including

19:41 Exploding cases with PCR tests. I wanted to read this quote where you write, instead of using traditional methods of diagnosing disease based on symptoms Dr Fauci encouraged doctors to perform blood tests on both healthy and unhealthy individuals to diagnose AIDS Since none of the available tests are particularly accurate, Dr. Fauci must have understood that his reliance on blood tests alone was likely to yield highly dubious results capable of dramatically overstating the spread of HIV." Well that sounds familiar and that's just one of several parallels to our current situation right? Yeah well I think I have two pages in the book at least about

20:25 20 strategies that Dr. Fauci used, that he developed during the AIDS crisis and this includes abbreviating and aborting the clinical trials and making them very short, unblinding those studies and giving the drug to the placebo group to prevent any kind of detection of long-term injuries The use of fear, the beginning of the AIDS crisis Fauci did a New England Journal of Medicine article in which he said that AIDS was casually contagious and it could spread in home. It was going to spread and affect and kill millions and millions and millions of people. In fact you know AIDS really never left the gay community

21:16 And yet it frightened people and for a long time, it had this dramatic impact where kids with AIDS were not allowed to attend school. We passed a federal policy that said people with AIDS were not allowed to enter the United States and there was really a campaign against people with AIDS that they were dangerous people And the, particularly gay community suffered a long time because of that. They became this very isolated group and everybody else considered dangerous and of course there was no basis people who actually were studying AIDS at that time or shocked about how she statement

21:58 And then the use of, you know, the development of fake drugs that would enrich and highly toxic drugs that would develop...that would benefit pharmaceutical industry but really had no impact on AIDS. The suppression of functional off-patent therapies, off-the-shelf repurposed drugs And the silencing of doctors who were doctors at that time, Greg in the AIDS community who are in New York particularly and San Francisco. Who were specializing in treating AIDS on the front lines and had developed all these repurposed medications that work very well against symptoms of AIDS

22:47 And Dr. Fauci used policies to punish those doctors, to suppress the products and make sure that they were not eligible for insurance. If you ever see the movie Dallas Buyers Club which won the Academy Awards, it originally, Michelle Wallach who wrote that movie originally wrote about Fauci and Fauci was a big villain in that movie Because he was the one who was suppressing these drugs that were working and forcing gay people to take a drug that many of them quickly figured out was lethal. They developed the underground in San Francisco, New York, LA all over the country and Dallas

23:31 Where people would go across the border and buy functional medications in Mexico, Europe and Canada elsewhere. And bring them back into distribute them to the gay community who did not want to take AZT. And you know Fauci was behind that my uncle played a key role in ending that system by developing what they call parallel track process where These kind of repurposed medications could receive quick FDA approval and be eligible for insurance through these facilitated clinical trials that were done by the AIDS doctors, frontline doctors. Unfortunately nobody was able to do that you know by the time COVID came around

24:22 And Fauci was using those same methodologies to suppress ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine monoclonal antibodies steroids and all of these other drugs that we know are effective against AIDS. By then his power had become kind of absolute and nobody was questioning it anymore Mm-hmm. Man, it's just such an interesting and sad case study really with so many parallels to our current situation people should definitely reflect on that But I also wanted to ask you about another chapter in the book probably the darkest one called Dr Fauci Mr Hyde NIAIDs barbaric and illegal experiments on children Well this should be a wake up call for people what should they know about this chapter in Fauci story?

25:14 After he developed AZT, he was trying to develop new markets for it and for some other highly toxic chemotherapy drugs. I have big pharmaceutical companies and so one of the ways they did... The first thing they did is they said we're not just going to give this to AIDS patients people who are showing symptoms of AIDS but we're going to give it to everybody who tests positive for AZT and we know Hundreds of thousands of people died who did not have AIDS and probably would not have ever developed AIDS, but who simply tested positive for AZT on a PCR test which... HIV you mean right? I mean sorry. HIV on a PCR test which on the label of the PCR it says it's not good for diagnostic purposes

26:07 but nevertheless those people were directed to AZT which was guaranteed to kill them. It would kill 100% of the people who took it for a prolonged period of time, and there are people who survived AIDS and have survived for decades who avoided AZT and you know there are many people we know or famous people who aren't in that category who used other treatments for AIDS that were not lethal. And he was developing new... So some of the new people that he targeted were people who are HIV positive, but did not have HIV and then children and in addition to children mothers who had HIV to prevent maternal transmission to their children. He tried,

27:12 FDA approval to use these highly, highly toxic drugs on kids and on pregnant women. And in order to do that it's very difficult to get white children who will agree parents who would agree to allow their children to take these highly toxic medications. So Fauci solution What's the get control of a series of foster homes one of the biggest was in new york city it was incarnation house and children there were black and hispanic foster kids and how to turn the pharmaceutical industry.

27:57 loose on those homes and what they did to those children is beyond barbaric. Many of them died, we know at least 85 of them died many of those kids did not have HIV in other words there was no benefit which makes the experiment illegal if the child is not going to benefit has no chance of benefiting The experiments are illegal the experiment vouchers experiments were also legal because he deliberately did not provide them guardians that guardians would have put an end immediately to these experiments. Add it's illegal to experiment on children who are foster kids unless they have a guardian,

28:40 And there was no medical trained, medical personnel in these foster homes. The people who were running the homes were oftentimes on people with no medical training who are immigrants and vulnerable themselves mainly from the Dominican Republic And they you know part of the history of this was it came from interviews with those people who realize what's happening that these kids were just guinea pigs and BBC did a wonderful documentary back in 2004 called Guinea Pig Children.

29:20 And the interviews with those children, you know the filmed interviews are just the most heartbreaking things that you've ever seen. They're kids who are trying to resist drugs they know that drugs are making them terribly sick and they're killing them. They try to resist ones that resists our shift up to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital and they have feeding tubes installed in their bellies where The drug companies can simply, when the kids are unwilling to swallow the pills, the company is going to inject them into these feeding tubes. It's really horrific and we know that at least 85 of those kids died. Celia Farber who researched one of the chapters for me that chapter of the book was a brilliant researcher and writer

30:17 When up to hawthorn new york and found a cemetery called gates of heaven cemetery where she is victims children child victims were buried. And she was able to find an open pit filled with hundreds of coffins it was covered by an astroturf carpet which he peeled back and saw these coffee these little tiny coffins, i'll have hasley on top of each other there was over a thousand kids who had mysteriously died on the side of that pit. We don't know how many of them came from Fauci's experiments, it is all a big mystery. We know that 85 of them she was able to trace the names of children in those pits to people who had died kids with diagnosed experiments there was a series of investigations

31:12 Ultimately, Fauci is very powerful and the investigations were dropped. But they made these devastating findings and the findings were that these children died at the experiments where illegal. Yeah oh my god that is just incredible! Gates and Fauci have both been very active in Africa, and that's something you talk about in the book too. I think a lot of people here know that there is some experimentation that has gone on there but I don't think they know the real scale or details, and this also pretty important for people to know right? Yeah, I have two chapters one of them is called White Mischief and the other one is called Whiteman's Burden

31:57 that looks at the two men and their experiments on African populations. And they're the same level of barbarism that we saw in Incarnation House in New York City, but mainly they're directed to pregnant women via African experiments. Again there were many people who died. The experiments were not designed to look at safety. They were designed to get licenses for these companies and they did things in Africa that they would go to jail for in the United States, and they were abusive to these populations. They killed many of the people on their experiments. Their record keeping was haphazard and completely incoherent

32:51 And the entire thing fell apart at one point and Fauci rushed around and ultimately used his very, very close relationship with President Bush to exonerate the experiments. Even though by that time all of the health agencies were horrified by what he had done in the records on that are very, very clear of that history and very clear today if you read my book which is all very well referenced. Nevertheless he was able to use his political cloud to escape responsibility.

33:34 Yes, it's so dark and such suppressed history. People really should know about it. And the last chapter in your book is called Germ Games and we know that they usually do telegraph their moves by running these pandemic simulations. We know about Event 201. We know about Operation Dark Winter which was a simulation of a smallpox outbreak. Now we have Bill Gates making comments warning about a smallpox outbreak. And we have this recent story of vials of smallpox found at the NIH. Does this concern you? Are we inching closer to their next big engineered scandal?" I don't know, it is...I mean there's a chapter that was left out in the book and i'm going to include in future editions

34:22 I simply could not fit it between the two covers because of our rush to get this book to press, but it's on the gain-of-function and it's on all those experiments and how the pandemic evolves. And I talk in there about the soothsaying by these two men who were constantly projecting in this extraordinarily prescient way what was going to happen and predicting in some cases two years to the day that the pandemic would begin. But if these soothsaying began even earlier, in 2000 they did a pandemic simulation called Dark Winter and that simulation there is anthrax attack and it got so much publicity

35:21 that there was an orchestrated national concern with anthrax. And the U.S Senate had hearings on the vulnerability of the United States to anthrax attack, and those hearings took place three weeks after 9-11. During those hearings there was an actual anthrax attack on the United States It was initially blamed on Saddam Hussein and was part of the portfolio of fraud that justified our war in Iraq. It later turned out, according to the FBI, that the anthrax did not come from Saddam Hussein but came from one of three US military labs

36:12 And so then, you know... But the presence of it when you read the book is truly amazing. And as you know and most of your audience will know about Event 201. Event 201 was this pandemic simulation that occurred in New York City at the Pierre Hotel in October 2019 So October of 2019, that's an important day. We now know according to the National Security Agency's best estimates the coronavirus-19 began circulating on September 12th and that night the Chinese military went into the lab and they replaced a lab director and they stripped away all or many

37:07 of the gain-of-function studies that were published on the website from all the public facing pages in that website. They removed 22,000 samples of coronavirus which have never been shown up again. Hospital parking lots filled up in Wuhan and there were many other indicia that was a day that the coronavirus began circulating so a month later we didn't hear about it until late December early January But a month after that happens, you have the simulation in New York City. A simulation of global coronavirus pandemic and the people who host that simulation are Bill Gates, April Haynes who is the former deputy director of CIA and who is now head of National Security Council so she's the top spy in America

38:07 She's the same person who covered up the Abu Ghraib and the CIA torture scandals, and destroyed the tapes. Her reward is to be now head of chief spy in the country. And then the third person who was very odd was there as George Gao, who is the head of the Chinese CDC, and who almost certainly knew by that date that coronavirus was already circulating And they have this coronavirus pandemic simulation and they have people there from the social media companies, from Johnson & Johnson, the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world. From the public health agencies and from the mainstream media like Bloomberg and Washington Posts. They talk for a full day and none of the things they talk about are about public health

39:07 Instead, they're talking about clamping using the pandemic as a justification and a pretense to clamp down totalitarian controls on Americans and on people across the planet. And basically do to execute a coup d'etat against liberal democracy globally so if you go you can go look at this today event 201 it's still up on YouTube And if you look at the fourth simulation, the fourth seminar of that day which is the longest. The entire seminar practically concerns itself with how to silence people who say that this was a lab generated coronavirus and this is a discussion that George Gao, Chinese CDC director

40:00 Is very aggressive about saying how do we stop people from talking about the fact that they are out the allocation at this rate lab generated virus so this is. This is three four months before the fire but for anybody knows about the virus and there already talking about censorship and how to get the, social media companies to clamp down censorship and to not allow people to talk about this. And they talk about how to get blacks vaccinated because they say blacks are going to be very reluctant to take this vaccine, and how do we convince them? How do we recruit civil rights leaders and sports leaders and religious leaders to convince the black community to take this vaccine because they're going to be reluctant to take it? All of these very prescient things going on

40:50 When I wrote the book, as you can see in that Germgain's chapter when I discovered it is this was not a one-off event. They've been doing this since the dark winter event and actually they went back they did one in 2019 so they've been doing this or no in 1999 was their first one So they've been doing these simulations once every two years or once every year and they have involved hundreds of thousands of people. They've been clandestine, they've been secret, they've involved healthcare frontline responders from across the country across Europe and Canada that would do them in all of these countries simultaneously in Australia. They used...

41:44 law enforcement officials, they brought in industry oil companies, the big utilities and all. And basically they were teaching people each one of these simulations is not about how do you get vitamin D to the American people? How do you get zinc? How do you quarantine the sick? How do you coordinate doctors so we can find out the best repurpose medications and protocols None of it, how do we tell people to lose weight and take care and build their immune systems? There's none of that kind of discussion. It is all about how you lock people down and force them to take mRNA vaccines from the beginning. We're talking about the mRNA vaccines from the beginning. And what they have in common

42:34 Many of them have celebrities who are leading them, give them the imprimatur legitimacy like Senator Sam Nunn, Madeline Albright, Senator Gary Hart, Congressman Bill Gates and many many of them. And but one constant is the constant presence of the CIA at all of them and oftentimes three or four high-level CIA officials or affiliates And it was CIA affiliated people who design and orchestrate, write the scripts for each of these pandemics. And not...and CIA in case people don't know is not a public health agency. The CIA does not do public health. It does coups d'etat.

43:27 In 2000, the CIA was involved in 73 coup d'etats most of them against democratic governments. The CIA overthrows democracies it does not do public health so why are they doing these pandemic simulations year after year after year and training all the public health officials in our country This is what you do when there's a pandemic. You clamp down totalitarian controls, you create centralized government, you abolish the constitution and get rid of due process. You put everybody under house arrest, generate fear with propaganda and induce condition that is known as Stockholm syndrome which makes the captors

44:20 grateful to their captors and inspires in them the belief that the only way to freedom, normalcy and survival is through total obedience and total compliance. And this is what they were practicing at the end of every one of them is you gotta take these COERS vaccines and anticipate Resistance vaccination which is because there's never been a pandemic in history where there was a functional cure or prophylaxis, where people resisted it so why are they thinking that people are gonna resist vaccination it doesn't make any sense if they're.

45:05 Something that clearly works, people will rush to get it in a pandemic if it's safe. And the problem is as you know they have not been able to sell that story to the Americans or anybody else. Organic function is an interesting topic because I'm still trying to truly understand disease fully. Of course, nutrition sanitation and avoiding toxins is a lot of it but I wonder if all of it? Because you also talk about the controversial aspect of all this which is isolating viruses apparently

45:40 There are some credible claims that HIV had never been truly isolated. You said it was only found in half the men with AIDS symptoms, so I mean that doesn't seem like it would be necessarily the cause of anything and that's with the fact that Nobel Prizes have been given out for isolating it or finding it. And a lot of people make a similar claim about COVID if you read carefully, the papers always mention using computer modeling to fill in the gaps of the sequencing which sounds a bit fishy. You also take germ theory to task a bit well how did this become the dominant culture? If germ theory might not even be accurate

46:20 You know what, I'm very careful to not take a position on that debate because I really do not have the expertise or the knowledge. Expertise ultimately is a function of experience and I have not immersed myself enough into those very complex questions to be able to make an independent assessment about who is right on that. I acknowledge there is a debate, and I'm very careful not take a position on it but what I do is show the debate in order to demonstrate Tony Fauci's reaction to that debate which is this island descent to destroy the careers of scientists who question his orthodoxies

47:15 to pour money into a research that is self-fortifying. In other words, people can make huge amounts of money by researching his theory and you make no money in fact your career is destroyed if you try to research alternative theories And I show how he used those exact same techniques beginning in that HIV controversy, but throughout his career. And it's really was fascinating for me to learn that history as I wrote about it. But I don't make any pretense of being able to independently assess whether it is correct or not.

48:03 I think, and you know, I don't look into people's heads in this. I don't say this is why Tony Fauci behaves the way he does or why Bill Gates. I only record facts there are 2200 footnotes in this book and every factual assertion I make it is sourced and cited. One of the things that I think people will find interesting is the origins of this gain-of-function research, which really started in 1972. We banned the production and development and research on biological weapons during the time of the anthrax attacks. The military began and the CIA had been illegally doing bioweapons development during the entire period. The military was very reluctant to do it but there was a loophole in the original treaty

48:59 has said you can do bioweapons research as long as it's dual-use research. In other words, as long as you can make the claim that you are developing a vaccine because what you need to do to develop a bio weapon is virtually the same research that you need to do or they can be justified as vaccine development. After 9 11, the military began pouring huge amounts of money into bioweapons development, but under the cover that it was vaccine research. The Pentagon, the CIA began independently funding Peter Daszak and a lot of that funding went to doing this kind of research in the Wuhan lab. Military initially wasn't reluctant to do it because they thought people will not believe that we're doing vaccine research at the Pentagon so they started pouring their money into Tony Fauci

49:58 In 2001, after the anthrax attack his budget for bio weapons research went from zero to about 1.6 billion dollars a year and interestingly he was also given a raise He was given a 68% raise based upon his management of bioweapons research. And that's why, and that raise he is now the highest paid person in the federal government. The President of United States earns $400,000 a year. Tony Fauci gets paid 434 thousand but 70 percent of that salary is contingent on him continuing his weapons research

50:46 Oh, when a bunch of his little bugs escaped in 2014 and 300 scientists signed a petition to Obama asking Obama to shut down this crazy research by Tony Fauci and NIAID which threatened to lose a pandemic superbug onto the world. You know, Obama passed the ban Ouchee continued to illegally, initially he halted 18 studies. But then within a few months had it was illegally restarted them including the worst of those studies which were Ralph Baric's studies at the University of North Carolina

51:34 And I'll tell you in a second why they were so bad. But he also began funding huge amounts of money to the Wuhan lab, to work with these Chinese scientists who are affiliated with the military and they were very open that this was weapons research for them. They didn't even bother to conceal that their primary use was weapons I show this in this chapter of my book which is about to be published. And one of the things, Tony Fauci says well we were doing vaccine research but here's the thing that shows that was a lie. Ralph Baric in 2013 developed with funding from Tony Fauci, developed methodology called seamless ligation and allows

52:29 scientists to engineer, to take bad viruses and make them affect human beings by engineering a new spike protein that fits into the human lung. What they call the H2 receptor which is a red receptor in the human lung and then to hide the human tampering so if you were really doing vaccine research you would want to do the opposite. You would want it forever clear and permanent and indelible that this was a human created virus, right? There's no reason from a medical perspective to be able to do this with what Barrett calls it his no-seeum process makes it so that human tampering becomes invisible then in this is the real crime

53:24 Barrick went and taught that process to Jingli Xi, the Chinese bat lady. The scientist who affiliated with the military who was doing this kind of study at Wuhan lab and she learned how to do it. And it's almost certain that the coronavirus we are dealing with today was engineered and then subjected to that seamless ligation process that Tony Fauci funded Man, that is such good information. I know we're out of time. I'm going to just...I want to try and roll up these last few questions into one and hopefully you can give us a quick answer on it because it involves the next phases of the COVID control plan

54:08 We didn't really talk about how damaging these vaccines for COVID might be. I'm quite worried about that, but in your very entertaining interview with Michael Cohen you said vaccine passports are not being issued by health organizations they're coming out of finance ministries well that's interesting and also in conjunction with that When it comes to 5G, I understand you just won a lawsuit against the FCC regarding 5G and damage to human DNA. Well that's also really important but these all relate to the current and next phase of the COVID control plan how do these things come together? And what would you say people should know about them?

54:49 Okay, well that is a one hour question you just answered. I know! I'm sorry. Essentially what we're saying is are all of these unprecedented mechanisms for totalitarian control and this is basically what we call turnkey totalitarianism. You put all these mechanisms in place they track and trace surveillance facial recognition that can even read now that you know the Chinese have a facial recognition system they've already deployed, it can read guilt on human faces. The digitalization of the currency and vaccine passports and you put all those together and they are mechanisms for total control. The aspiration of every totalitarian government in history has been complete control of human thought

55:50 Because of technology and vaccine passports, they now have those things. So once you have a vaccine passport there's no longer any such thing as rights. There are simply privileges that you can qualify for as long as your compliant and they can take those things away from you so if you have a vaccine passport that has a social credit system attached and is attached to your digitalized currency. And the government even has the power, there's now one of the things they've got is programmable currency so that if the government tells you for example, uh, you didn't get vaccinated therefore you need-you cannot leave your home The government can actually fix your passport and your bank account

56:43 Oh, your money will only work at the local grocery store and will not work anywhere else. If you are, I said to people in Italy, a programmable currency means that they can order you to stay in Bologna and make it so that your money will not work in Milan. And they can control you absolutely, and they can say to you unless you do what we are told, you cannot travel, you cannot participate in sports, you cannot talk on the phone, you can't do anything. There's no time in history that government has had a power that is not abused. So this is 100% guaranteed

57:30 that these powers will be abused and that we are headed for a very, very dark epoch of civilization if we allow them to get away with this. People need to be educated, need to understand what the stakes are here and what they're up to in that. You know, use manipulation of fear through propaganda is a mechanism, or shutting down the human capacity for critical thought and to get people to run to an authoritative figure for protection. They're manipulating that expertly in order to get us to give away all of our rights." Yes, yes well said I definitely thought it was important to fit that in and this has all been really informative

58:20 I hope we can turn the perception on these narratives and stop these policies, but it just seems so overwhelming because so many people endorse this shit. Of course the early success of your book is a really good sign, so fingers crossed but It's been a huge pleasure. I definitely feel aligned with the right people and i'm lucky to be able to play a small role in all this and have some of your time thanks for doing it, thank you for your courage! Thank You Greg. I will point out that the book has now been number one for almost 10 days which is pretty unprecedented Amazing about it, what I'm so grateful about is that there's been wall-to-wall complete blackout. There has not been a single review of the book in any newspaper in our country where I'm blocked from going on TV with one or two exceptions—with Tucker Carlson really! We're not allowed to do promos for the book. The New York Times... you know they're big companies like

59:21 Barnes and Noble are refusing to promote the book, refusing to put it in their front windows even though it's number one on the list. And that usually is what you know the metric they use. There was all these New York Times even though we sold 120 thousand books a week Will Smith sold 86000 the same week they put his book number one at my book number seven even though we outsold everybody on that list And so they're using all these mechanisms to suppress the book, but nevertheless people are buying it. It's really a miracle there is mouth-to-mouth People are buying it as an act of defiance and active resistance And I am really grateful to the public for stepping forward Thank you Greg as you know I don't make any money from the book it all goes to children's health events

1:00:19 to do our litigation, to educate the public, to fight the bad guys and stand up against bullying and totalitarianism. So thank you for your help! You got it! And thank YOU! Enjoy the rest of your day! You too! Boom goes the dynamite! What a good interview I wish we only had more time We are really lucky to have him tackling such a controversial subject and I have a lot of respect for him because he's not just coasting on the name recognition as he easily could. But, he's also got one of the best books that covers the pandemic and the nefarious track records of those involved with it It's very professionally done and it's basically like a textbook for how we win

1:01:05 Not to get too esoteric with it, but I also think a lot about the universe giving us what we need or providing the right person for the job. And there's an added layer in him being a lifelong Democrat with one of the most recognizable and beloved Democratic family names in American history because the way this information has been politicized for it to break the spell It kind of has to come from someone with this particular resume someone from the left So the typical right-winger, Trump faithful dismissals won't work. And that's important! What he said about the book's early success is great it gives me hope that the tide is turning a little bit and we're not the minority were made to feel like we are as he said The media blackout can make it seem like everyone shares the one true opinion when they don't and the long list of doctors that Mr Kennedy has at the beginning of the book is proof for that

1:02:05 As is the fact that this podcast, that often tackles the most controversial and out-there subject matter ranks in the top 0.05% of podcasts according to ListenNotes.com And it's not to toot the THC horn It's just surprising to me because I say we're fringe, I say were counterculture But are we? This community of free thinkers is bigger than we know I guess There's just very little acknowledgement of it in the mainstream, so it is tough to gauge. But one thing that would help me keep the show at a high level is please contact Children's Health Defense and tell them you came from THC! I don't care about retweets or smashing any like buttons—I never really have—I care about this audience reaching out to our high-level guests and their organizations and making it known that a THC interview has an impact

1:02:57 because that allows me to make better shows for you, which is really all I want to do. I'm a simple man guys! I know i mentioned a Michael Cohen interview a couple of times and that's because Mr Kennedy was on Cohen's podcast a few weeks ago You know I seek out previous interviews to get ready for my own so I listened to that one and... My god if you like contentious interviews go listen to it Michael Cohen even front-loads it with over 10 minutes of caveats and shitty comments like, well you decide if he's right or a batshit crazy conspiracy nut. And it's like well I wonder how you feel Mike? But it's fun to hear argumentative interviews every once in awhile The world used to really enjoy debate and now we never get it and this is a subject that definitely should be debated and when one person knows almost nothing and the other person has done the work that Mr Kennedy has done

1:03:52 It's good medicine. And Michael Cohen also always finds a way to bring almost every question back to his own drama, so you get a healthy dose of cringe in there as well But Mr. Kennedy does get to talk more about 5G in that interview, he said something to the effect that 5g is not there to help you download a movie in two minutes instead of four it's machine-to-machine data collecting and analyzing infrastructure It's a digital control system meant to control your every move and coordinate that with your smart devices, your biometrics, your vaccine compliance, your online activity, and your finances

1:04:32 And that's not new around here, we've done a lot of interviews on that subject but it was refreshing to hear him say it because not everyone will go there. And I wanted to get at least a portion of that in our interview as well and note that his group did sue the FCC for saying 5G doesn't harm human DNA and they won so that makes a difference The other big question I wanted to end with that i just couldn't squeeze in is how do we actually win? So we have the information, sure. But the narrative is so aggressive and the coordinated interlocking aspects of this big machine are so monolithic... How do we beat it? A big part of the answer is spreading the knowledge, interviews like this books like his making room in our budget for donations to Children's Health Defense

1:05:21 It's all important and the book lays out the case for Fauci's crimes, but who is going to prosecute? Where is the justice. We have not only a media blackout but a legal stonewall as well! I wish I could have heard his tactical advice for mobilizing this no so small alternative community...but maybe next time. It was also important to me that we make sure he does bring up terrain theory or miasma theory in the book and questions this germ theory dominance He's careful not to commit, but I'm right there with him that it's very suspicious how aggressive one side is about attacking the other and how much money can be made in one paradigm versus the other.

1:06:05 But I thought we'd get a quicker answer there and I could squeeze in those last few questions. It just goes to show how short an hour-long interview really is, and why you should all be PLUS members! Because as you know 99% of the interviews i do are two hours long, meaty robust, and thorough as hell I don't know that it was really driven home as much today, but Forrest Moretti said in our show a few weeks back that mortality from infectious disease was way down before vaccination was introduced. He shows the data, shows the chart and carry that on through to the 1980's and mortality rates for infectious disease were clearly so low for so long that the Reagan administration was going to close the CDC and the NIAIH

1:06:53 And like you'll find in about half the scandals in history that we cover around here, In the interest of self-preservation and the morally bankrupt quest for extreme profits They said we need to find something quick to justify our existence. Which over time turned into wow! We found something that works why only do it one time? Almost nobody is qualified to truly understand or question what we're doing here We own all the experts and we've mafiatized the industry. Who wants to stop the money train from rolling in? And again, like the other half of scandals we cover around here fighting a never-ending battle against an invisible enemy and using fear to get government to throw billions of dollars at it was front and center so the question I would ask to the Western medicine faithful is

1:07:43 If the diseases we vaccinate against had declined by over 90% before vaccination was introduced, which is true for measles scarlet fever whooping cough diphtheria and smallpox. And curiously there was never a scarlet fever vaccine anyway but it went down with all the rest of them Because of the better understanding when it comes to industrial chemical exposure, heavy metal exposure increased nutrition and sanitation AND in the decades that came after widespread vaccination campaigns we have an explosion of cancers autoimmune disease and neurological conditions Why is that? A very roundabout and lengthy verbose way to get to a question there but that would be my question. If all that information is true

1:08:30 How do you make the case that vaccines are the holy grail of this whole medical system? The big machine will tell you all these conditions and vaccines are unrelated, but then ask the system where these things have come from and why they've exploded. And they don't even have a good answer! They'll just tell you it's a roll of the genetic dice. That's not even an answer really. It's a placeholder for truly looking in the mirror And if you're still not willing to examine the harsh products of Big Pharma, including chiefly among them the ones they inject. Then I'd ask why they have set up legal liability protections in advance? In the case of childhood vaccines and COVID shots what does that signal do you? Why did they fight so hard to establish a special court system that the media refuses to cover that has paid out millions of dollars to vaccine injured children and yes autism victims as a result of those shots

1:09:24 What does that tell you? Well, this is the paradigm that I subscribe to and i think im in good company. And as for me well Im sure this is the kind of episode that might be a lot of peoples introduction into higher side chats and thats great! As I mentioned earlier usually our interviews are 2 hours long. I do 5 a month and the first hour is free and second hour is for 8 dollar subscription We have 10 years of shows in the archive. Sometimes we're talking about vaccine efficacy, sometimes we're talking about the hollow earth and this Eternian Death cult but the common thread is that these subjects are all pretty radical and the majority of people would dismiss them although just like today whatever the topic I try to craft information-rich interviews with guests who really know their material and can make a good case for something you maybe didn't think you'd consider to have any merit

1:10:20 It's fun to hear a good case made for an out there or against the grain position. And that's what we do, so no ads and the plus subscription means I don't ask for anything else and I don't ask for anything without giving you something back. It's reciprocal and it works for us A lot of time when i do something outside of that 2 hour format like today it could easily just be a Plus Member exclusive A lot of podcasters do that because, well we're all trying to sweeten the pot and it's nice to give an additional bonus to the people who DO open up their wallets. But this subject is really just too important... We got a lot of propaganda to try to break through I want this to be easily shareable! Maybe as a tip-of-the hat you do signup for a month or two You will certainly find things that you like in that big old archive at TheHigherSideChats.com

1:11:12 But ideally, if you can only do one thing right now just donate that $8 or whatever you can to Children's Health Defense. Because I'm doing all right and having the House of COVID cards topple and Fauci's medical mafia dismantled...and having all this shit be over for 2022 would be the best gift of all wouldn't it though? So thanks for listening, thanks to Mr. Kennedy for taking the time and doing what he does we will overcome! That's it for this one I've done my part your move medical mafia members big pharma freaks and turnkey totalitarianists your fucking move oh no you see

1:12:01 The world isn't random, it's attached to puppet strings Control over a thing The nine-to-five is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, a vast conspiracy There's such a difference between us And the Denver child

1:12:56 Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done And they'll call out deception Of the web that's been spun Hello from the higher side The earth is hollow They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about, have you heard about the real since the war? But no they're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry That's good and well

1:14:08 Did you ever hear the argument that nothing really happens? It's no secret And that the best is plush It's doubling your time Hello from a higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you so The elite have done and now call out deception of the web that's been spun. Halo from the high side, challenging your past.

1:15:01 And I'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it is won As the world, as the world Hello from a higher side They're calling out our side

1:15:55 have done and they'll call out deception of the web that's been spun from the higher side challenging your paradigm and I'll tell you awake that the battle has begun but we can't fight it with violence, the mind where is one. That's the rule