Robert Bonomo | Tarot Archetypes, Banking Alchemy, & Marketing Magic

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01:54 Alright, Hiresite Chatters. We have been digesting the esoteric toolbox of the nefarious cabal for some time trying to unpack and understand the very blueprints of reality they have been mapping out and mastering behind closed doors of initiatory orders for centuries And the further we get, the more it seems that our construct is mostly a matrix of cycles, energies and archetypes filtered down from some ethereal plane and playing themselves out like the universe's own original Netflix. When you see these patterns play out it's easier to keep from getting caught up in political infighting, avoid emotionally charged propaganda, recognize how the power pyramid leans into these archetypes when it suits them, and directs energy cycles right into their own little win column

02:41 But it's not all about the oily appendages of the Overlords or the Archon's influence. We can also use this knowledge to better understand our own path and reason for living, for when in doubt consult The Cosmic Script And there are many systems and maps to consult, from astrology and mythology to Kabbalah and the Grimoires. But today ladies and gentlemen the offering on the higher side altar is the Tarot because today's guest Robert Bonomo knows it inside out and has recently released a great documentary explaining The Fool's journey through the Major Arcana clocking in at nearly three hours called The 21 Faces of God available for free on YouTube

03:19 He's also a blogger, novelist and astrologer whose work can be found on his website thecactusland.com Here to help us get a grip on the ones and zeros of the big machine The tarot teacher and archetype preacher Robert Maman Welcome to THC Thanks a lot. Great to be on. Yeah, man thanks for being here I really enjoyed the 21 faces of God you use a lot of clips from film and pop culture that i think really helped To make the connection between The characters at the tarot and how these same archetypes are still the major game in town And I tried my best in the intro there but How would you explain the Tarot to people who maybe just think Of it as a deck of colorful cards why is It more than just that

04:01 Yeah, I think the key element why it's different are the major arcana because it was a card game and there is nothing wrong with that. It originated as a card game that moved probably from Egypt from the Mamluks into Europe and in Renaissance Italy they adapted the game by adding the major arcana so these cards would trump the lower pips okay? And this set of archetypes were the...I think Probably most important archetypes in late medieval early renaissance italy and they were ordered so there is an order to them. I think that was really important so give us a glimpse of really good glimpse of what the major archetype are and also show us a path,

04:51 I would say it's a deep esoteric message inside the game. I like that and the fact that i wasn't initially made for definition is kinda curious to me that turned out to be so good for that because of course got more refined overtime major arcana was added later in europe like you said but today thats what we think of as its primary purpose and i guess maybe it seems like whether it's chicken bones are rooms or the stars, The code of reality's underbelly seems to just come out in any system that we put enough focus and attention on. Is that fair to say? Oh, absolutely! Absolutely I mean divination every culture in the world has a system with divination but I think what happens is the more powerful the symbols or the archetypes in the system the better it works so for example you could throw feathers up in the air and say well I think its gonna rain

05:46 What is each feather has a meeting and not me just that you gave it but that was given to thousands of years ago, it seems to work a little bit better like the zodiac i mean this is a big metaphor in the sky. But it does seem to work yeah that's interesting so you mentioned the zodiac talk about the connection between the tarot and astrology because this doesn't seem to be real nexus of one of your expertise at least Yeah, to understand I think the tarot. To understand any esoteric system eventually you're gonna have to learn astrology because it is sort of a mother of all these systems because i mean if you think about that basic hermetic concept as above so below that's why does zodiac and astrology show important any esoteric system that said my belief is whoever created that first set of major arcana

06:43 I don't think they were saying oh there's an association between areas here and towards their i don't think that true but for example in the film occasionally use those correspondences because they help just like the zodiac. Is a path from the spring to summer fall finally death in winter in the rebirth, The terror follows something at least a little bit similar so they can help us understand the meaning of the cards but to say that this card means areas for example or you know i think that's a big mistake, that's a big mistake archetypes never equal anything are types like appearance just kinda hitch and to say that the equals something or there are something i don't think thats right.

07:29 Yes i like that it's kinda like of course is not a one to one correlation but they may be both represent some unspeakable archetypes on thing we don't necessarily have language for. Yeah exactly for example the chariot does have that kind of summary can't syrian quality to it right. What you wouldn't associate the cherry with water either is there any so it's definitely not a one-to-one kind of identification but idea thats kinda, summer explodes in cancer and the cardinal sign of cancer they can help understand the cherry card but i don't think that what people say all will definitely means this and that

08:06 I gave a presentation this weekend in berlin at the culture conference and that was one of the things i talked about what is archetypes if you look at it and this would be my perspective more platonic, these are forms that have always existed and always will exist and they appear again and again our culture. So for example i use the example magician know the magician you can go back to her knees and talk in egypt And then you have the magician card and i use example twenty century and warhol for me any more is a true magician alchemist. Complete really represents that card i mean you can see that archetype in him just taking a brillo box, it's only for god knows how many millions of dollars that's magic

08:55 That's real magic not for people who are people don't really know that much about him i guess his stick was to take ordinary objects and then elevate them to the level of art yeah but you have to remember he was a graphic artist. I wish to work in advertising so you know how to respect her graph cards but also no most graphic artists starving death, any warhol with the best graphic arts new york city became rich doing that and then he moved into our And so he understood advertising because advertising is true. That really is magic because you're using language to change people's thoughts to change their actions right, she came from that world and he was one of the best added anyone into our show i think. The more distance we get from him and we can see exactly what he was saying when it was predicting about our society. He was a genius on

09:51 Yeah man so you mentioned used to work in marketing advertising i use to work and retail you made them hungry and i fed them the slot but hey we are here now i did what ask you though how does the east of terror context of these things that you learned about like archetypes play out in the marketing world i mean if they're using this stuff right. Oh absolutely what i did i work in direct marketing and i was actually pretty good at what i did my niche financial services we sold financial education, add i never forget landing on a picture it was a guy gal car you saw the back of them in the open road. Picture just worked really well whatever i said or did it didn't matter when people saw that picture you sold them

10:43 Kind of a dream it is okay what's just the pretty girl in an ice car but not really its movement up all this stuff. These are real archetypes and when you can embed that in a message so im not selling you a course where i'm selling us, road that beautiful open free you know that kind of stuff crucial advertising and one other thing i learned everything is keep it simple My campaigns that i try to get cute with the all tank it was always a simple very fundamental archaic typical message and that's what resonates with people, it resonates on our very base level but it resonates.

11:27 Right i just don't think people realize how much that does have an effect and yet it seems like that's its most practical application or maybe just because we are in such a money hungry capitalist society. If it doesn't make money ain't worth knowing about so they found the way to incorporate into that stuff and you know no one about it is great because he fall victim to it less often, And you know let's just not forget the technology that's going on now when i work in this ten years ago literally we were in the stone ages today using multivariate testing right i can take someone who's been on fifteen of the same websites that you've been on, and i tested thousands people who have been on those fifteen website which message works best with colors work best which combinations work best.

12:21 I mean direct marketing has become it's not a shock anymore i mean its sniper scope so people have to be really careful because they can really change, through technology they can make slight adjustments in your thoughts that can create desire that is certain percentage of people will feel. You have to be really careful what they can do now is amazing it's mine by and this real i mean that's not who stuff this is. No data rights just data manipulation big data of course, and so let's get into the history of the terror a bit let's get back to that because i was finding interesting just how long something like the tarot has actually been in existence

13:05 And like we said it was initially for definition but how far back can we see the tarot going and what are some of the major bullet points on its journey through time. Yes you can go back to egypt and the mamluks no the mamluks were actually have a long history of being from central asia and then they work, mercenaries in egypt national took over so the game began there at least the modern terror game began their just as gambling games moves in italy the key dates would be around maybe thirteen hundred. It moves into italy by about fourteen hundred and change. Merge the major arcana which is what my film was about which i think are the most interesting archetypes there so that's another really important date, early fourteen hundreds then when we move into the seventeen hundreds up until that point its basically game

13:59 extremely popular game we know that because for example when it moves out of italy and into france it becomes very popular in paris and they know that by the card tax you have to pay a tax to buy cards, can you go back and see this game was extremely popular is a game. Show in the seventeen hundreds there certain people who begin to write about it as an esoteric movement and then in the nineteenth century you get all this levy. Elvis levy i think really kind of gives a prominent place in sr thinking and then to get to the early nineteen nineteen oh nine you got the right away jack,

14:39 And then you have the golden dawn and all that stuff but basically as a school of divination you're looking about from the seventeen hundreds on work. Right on and so I think people here who are listening. I think they like the esoteric episodes I do for the most part, but I'm sure there are some people thinking God another magic episode I thought this was a conspiracy podcast There are so many crazy things going on in the world you want to talk about playing cards And I get that I mean for those people What would you say is the value of tarot or astrology even for better understanding current events? How did they relate?

15:17 Right that's a great question if you think about the archetypes that are used in every political event and i show this in my section on the film and archetype number one i should put coming up steps yes and then obama coming out, use renee reef install the munich rallies all of that paraphernalia power those are all archetypes. Very powerful archetypes that they use to trigger in you. That idea that that's the alpha male this is the alpha male he is the boss if your duty says you can beat shit out of him and stay away from his women, no that is deeply ingrained in us very deeply ingrained and then for example the goddess beauty

16:09 I use a chanel ad in the film no but when you see her getting out of bed wrapping that sheet around her i mean she's venus so if u don't understand these archetypes and how powerful they are. You don't understand the culture remember it's not beating the game your never gonna beat the game but you gotta understand only game, if you really understand then you can read the newspaper and you can see what they're telling you and what their trying to get you do That's the key to understanding all of these elements because they are these are the building blocks of our culture and there still as powerful as they always were.

16:52 Yes well said and what they're trying to get us to do that is the crux of you know bottom line of what i'm always trying to get at and i did think that these archetypes help us quite a bit, any really as we set about marketing applied to politics you know there using this stuff to manipulate it's weather to buy a product or. Buy a politician's bullshit and when we look at even halftime shows or award show ceremonies it's kinda crazy when you mention the god is i mean that is often what we see katie perry coming out on a lion of fire and embodying the goddess and its like there's clearly something going on here this is, drawing on some kind of ancient archetype ancient energy and i'm not sure if it's sometimes maybe subconscious or conscious but.

17:40 I guess to use that as an example when we see a award show ceremony and it's got the twin pillars and it's got all these, things invoking the elements in the symbols of we've seen before what are they trying to get us to do just enchant us innocence. Yeah and you're using these archetypes to make you feel like you have a place in this system i mean think about the president doesn't go to work for tourists or something get out going to normal looking building do his job, got flying helicopter have two marine salute him of all sorts flags line to identify him as the emperor right. When will you walk into a bank can you see those pillars your walking into a temple a sacred place

18:29 There's a sacred language the thing is when you walk into a bank they're trying to install in this idea that you are in a secret place with a very esoteric language that you'll never understand, but just absorb the beauty and that feeling of power how many people can walk into a bank like your walking to seven eleven it's different feeling right. They spend a ton of money on that A lot of money and it's for a good reason because imagine if you walk in just start asking normal questions. Right i mean that costume makes it seem official they kind of make it look like the government building sometimes even though it isn't, and its just a sanctuary for money the true global religion right exactly. Money is a great place to start when u going to church usually walk up to the priest and say

19:23 Hey what is this way for thing that were always eating i mean what's in it right because you're terrified yeah you can't. You can't go against the liturgy and the liturgy of a bank as you walk into this enormous building with always very high ceilings and sort of serious people dressed in suits, give us your money don't ask questions sign everything who understands where they're signing when they got to back who's ever read all full backload no seriously i mean what percent of people actually read the whole time Right gotta be low it's an esoteric like alchemy banking is true alchemy. I used to sell courses for financial education so you take these courses you learn how trade options,

20:07 What do you get to get the philosopher stone that's what we're selling. We were selling a philosopher stone instead on your computer at pool you play around with it for couple hours today and your rich anything u want girls swimming pools in live the lifestyle that's what i used to say no leave the life style, we were selling people something very archetypal that philosophers. Remember there's two philosophers stars there is one that turns light into gold and there's one that turns your soul from something very material to something more. That functions on a higher level right i'll play it out like a digital screen mirror in that case seems but sure i guess you are right i don't think about it that much but a lot of that showmanship does facilitate type of intimidation and

21:01 you just aren't coming from a position of power. It's like being in front of the judge, even for something as simple as a traffic ticket if you're sitting in traffic court and you see people processed up there they're all blabbering they can't they're stumbling over their own words because they are just so low on that power totem pole because of the context of the judge sitting up high and the seriousness of the official language they're using and all that stuff I mean it's huge And that's crucial because i can't language intimidate us and it puts a situation of being. In religious setting that somebody with deep knowledge tradition is carrying this tradition and we should listen to you know always tell people if you have a friend that you want to wake up a little bit explain the whole money narrative,

21:54 You watch they won't believe you because i'll tell you it's too simple it can be that easy i had so many people say not your missing something can't be that simple but when they see it. That's true magic you don't talk about magic that is magic ride that you could take a whole society in sleep even when they understand their like well it must be ok No really if you take it to the logical point you would say alright why don't we just all stop imagine everyone said enough. Eliminate all that were not servicing any debt when i pay any taxes until you eliminate all that get rid of this crazy system and we go back to the constitution that says that the treasury makes money

22:43 We don't want any revolutions we all believe in the constitution and until then when i pay taxes are not servicing any debt. No but think about how long is the system last it would not last three months i can tell you that because everyone said were going to cash for three months when i service in any debt when i pay any taxes, the whole thing with collapse in three months and we get what one right and that could be done on a nonpartisan basis We could just say look we're not gonna solve the world's problems are going to create utopia but this system were gonna stop because this is a scam and it's enough. I mean when i see these kids come out of college now with degrees in gender studies hundred grand in the whole you know and they like oh i'm sorry i mean are you kidding me, can we let this happen to kids right we do this to our children i mean its disgraceful and it shows up total lack of will

23:38 People with balls who say enough we have all these guns when we fucking use them you know i'm saying enough stop enslaving my children and stopping sleeping the world. We can do it without killing anybody any violence without any protest We just said enough right but we don't because we have no balls were slaves most people like being slaves they love it. They wake up tell me what to do tell me what the fact that is true so we have no one to blame but ourselves Mm-hmm. It's the whole ignorance is bliss thing I've got friends that really do just want a simple job that they don't have to take home So they'll do the nine-to-five They don't want to think about it otherwise They just want to watch the game on Sunday and go back to work on Monday and have enough money for the house And it's kind of a sad reality but

24:32 This is the system that we are born into. It's unfortunate, it is so going back to current events a lot of people of course seem hyper focused on Trump or they're worried about some caravan or they're frustrated with the constant Russia talk or these California fires are any of these examples of things that you see coming as the manifestation of archetypes or expressions of some type of predictable cycle? Oh sure because you know archetypes begin in duality i use this in the films i mean do you already is the landscape right. And consciousness is the light that shines on it everything appears and choose so you got to have a good guy and you've got to have a bad guy, you gotta have the caravan coming up with all the fires here than this that it all and i'm not sure its completely conscious i'm not saying there's somebody behind the curtain who's playing this all out

25:30 Is the archetypes are bigger than we are there's nobody who can dominate these things you know what i mean it's like number. Nobody invented number they were discovered and just permeate our culture, you can't escape them you can manipulate number in our society right me a numbers of numbers three is three these archetypes are their now you can use them to your benefit and they are definitely used i need the whole idea everything in the news is a narrative The way we move through time are through archetypical narratives i mean the famous one courses to hero's journey but there are many many different narrative arts, and these are all put into play so when you read the news what do you reading your any somebody making up a story. There are few events in the makeup of story and great example this is if anyone reads financial news the nasdaq yesterday tanked

26:28 Anyone know why no one knows why they make up a story they say well you know prices did this and apple that's all that's white tank. That's how all of these narratives are created people coming up with stories what is your truth to them of course not their stories right and it is kinda hard to parse out, To what degree they are manipulated or used i mean knowing the archetypes are there is just half the battle and then it just seems like maybe they cast them out like paper ships on the ocean and some of them grow to become more potent than others kind of fizzle out because its all about which ones catch, the populace's energy right but.

27:10 But when you look at the news cycle, I mean it's all this kind of stuff. It's just maybe they can't exactly determine which ones are going to catch fire and which ones aren't but if you cast enough out, you're gonna control people and have them just emotionally moving from one hyperinflated story to another. Oh my god! I mean take the whole Russia thing Is there anything to that story that was a story that was invented and pushed in promoted but there's nothing there what if you ask i would say probably forty percent of americans probably think that the fsb. Act in hillary's emails and they said donald let's make a deal with anyone really believe that the fsb is stupid,

27:54 Or that's smart in the sense that they knew Hillary was gonna lose. You know what I mean? It's ridiculous The story has absolutely no foundation at all because a Russians that dumb, I don't think so if they hacked into her email And I have no idea but it was them or not and they had emails on her They probably think well The best chance is she's gonna win this So let's hold these cards and then when she gets in if she plays ball fine If she doesn't we'll start tossing these things out you know They create this sort of evil that's there it's all invented the song narrative right and is also this. Insinuation that manipulation of elections is somehow new that for as long as there's been elections are having been people trying to game in the shadows i mean, it's kind of funny that a lot of things going on politics now

28:43 hindsight doesn't exist they just think that everything is happening for the first time meanwhile in my opinion like all this kind of stuff that people are worried about now, has been going on for as long as there's been empires as long as there's been government of course and i need democracy is a joke. It's a complete joke i mean really when you think about it really i know this seems like a cliche but its coca pepsi I mean with them in absolutely any difference between trump or hillary on our lives for example the whole scam of the banking system. The whole empire thing with soldiers all over the world and the violence and all this stuff would any of that change absolutely not. Add top of it with trump the newspapers are making a fortune newspaper business was horrendous, it was dying until trump came along that's why we always struggle to reduce the trumps that you guys are finally making some money yeah if that part is true but of course there's actually no difference between these two people none same thing

29:46 I agree and i do like when he says that just because it is such a twisting of the knife but is such a great troll line all. They hate him so much but now they rely on them and they have him to thank for the attention that they now get in the advertising dollars are able to make because of all the eyeballs are back on conventional media, go back to this summer of two thousand sixteen imagine if trump lost in the primaries too i don't know who was somebody else that could want I don't know. Ted? Okay, perfect! Ted Cruz of course Ted Cruz would have lost i mean who would have cared about ted cruz or hillary clinton that election would've had been the most one of those boring elections imaginable it was destroyed the new york times and all but now they're making a fortune and of course the russia story was great do you remember every night Rachel Maddow i remember once she showed a map of north korea

30:40 And she showed the border with russia and she's like look there's a border with russia north korea who i was i mean i couldn't believe it if people didn't fall out their tv then i mean they never will yeah you deserve to get yes. And so another analogy or kind of in that, kinda archetypical way i like to talk about the archons as a bit of a metaphor and heard you on by talking about the demise of the current manifestation of the archons pointing out that the sheen is pretty much worn off of facebook and google and amazon people are sort of wising up to these platforms but, i like that idea it's similar to that show american gods or that i guess graphic novel american gods where pretty much.

31:29 Any trend or place where people put their energy is a god form or an arca of sorts and there strength and influence are related to how much attention they get that sort of, how you look at the world in things that pop up in pop culture. Yeah thats really good question because from the nasty point if u the archons what rule this world And so if you're of this world and in this world then what rules your world you know just watch a football game all those advertisers and all that paraphernalia and the google's on the facebook and all these people, absolutely that's the mechanism of control that's it i was reading today about facebook me facebook is in real trouble.

32:15 We probably reached peak facebook at least in the united states by viewers and buy time on site i remember i'm old enough to remember my space myspace. Everyone is on my space who bought it fox bought it and they just died died it seemed like a matter of months ago Is it important for snow so we are in a very very strange moment history. That's why the whole trump effect is kind of interesting because i think when we look back on this period, trump is gonna be the one that started all this and he started but he's gonna be how we mark the end of an era it's gonna be.

32:59 There's a before trump and after trump, and things are changing in a way that I think is beyond anybody's control. Provocative All this just kind of makes me think about the elite and really just how the only move that will ever work for the people is to kinda decentralize power and carve up the empire into smaller pieces because the gods or the archons, these forces they seem to be attracted to power. And the bigger machine they have to work through, the more damage they can do. That also applies to these digital behemoths like Facebook and Google

33:37 Obviously it applies to humans too, and it's not unlike the old phrase absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it gets more interesting when you also consider that influence is possibly coming through from the spiritual plane. Which influence? The negative influence Well generally all the influences that act through these bohemians is almost like their sock puppets on a stage like there's forces maybe spiritual forces or an arcana force. Working through facebook working through google you know that kind of thing when i look at it a little bit differently may be dead, i don't see evil as an entity i just see people as an extreme if we go on the material extreme

34:24 That's where you would get these forces so it's that whole energy of the universe but working on a very material plane now you can transcend that and work on a spiritual plane. And then you can look at all that's going on the material playing in kind of chuckle because it has to happen right, you're not gonna end that is like i just love when people start talking about The 5G network and the internet of things, this is the end. While they're talking on their 4G phone all day, the thing is glued to their ear you know? And they're chipped! You know these are the same people talked about we're all gonna get chipped I'm like pal that phone knows more about you than it should could ever dream of knowing about you So... We're not going to stop it That's absurd To think that were somehow gonna stop it

35:16 It's gonna go and it's gonna go where it wants to go the idea is. Escape it get out of this world that's why for example the fortune card bring it back to the terror yeah, i look at the major arcana as a path the first seven cards from magician to the chariot thats material plane when you get to the psychic playing the second seven set of cards. Go from strength right Strength is controlling the ego separating yourself from the body you're something more than the body hermit is looking in introspection. And then you get to the wheel of fortune will force an interesting card because, any of your listeners who do actually readings when u get the real fortune that's always consider pretty good card

36:05 If you're doing a reading that's the final card but the wheel of fortune is very dark medieval concept of fate no three fates when we use the thread one who measures and what it cuts. And that cycle of life so if your completely embedded in this material world, eventually that piece of threads gonna be cut you can go up here to get down your phone and then its all over but there is something else I'm convinced of it i'm a nasty like in the film i use that line from young when they ask you believe god is out of no. It's hard to say cuz i know so i don't believe right that's where u wanna be, can watch all this circus and enjoy because you know its life they're not evil trump's not evil hillary clinton's not evil. They just you know out there doing their thing and you know they have a role play

37:02 If you look at it that way is much healthier and really they will eat at you won't feel like oh my god these are ok let them play their games but you need to. Leave it a little bit on a different level right we need to i absolutely agree that can take in a higher view of things can be much more productive but the flip side of that to play devil's advocate people would say well that, allows the negativity to continue if you just kind of let the empire do what it does instead of trying to resisted i mean that only. Perpetuate it in a sense of kind of you can become an apologist for the elite and a sense is the perspective i think some people would have if we are not calling them out on their crimes and not trying to at least. Give lip service to change obviously changes outside of our means as individuals on the grand scheme but, you know just feels a little weird to just accept a lot of that bullshit you know

38:03 I know exactly what you mean and your right on a certain level i just think that for example, living life that's saying thats a little bit separated from that and when you interact with it. You know just put in your two cents every time i go to the bank because i work banking so i understand but i was point out of things like today i want something the bank. I said you guys are up to no good one day people gonna wake up to that number of the teller she can look at me Sometimes i get angry but you can look at me cause mark just kind of bring the message slowly. Because the beautiful thing is great so many people are starting to understand what's going on and when enough of us understand what's going on, it's like a stupid argument you know we get into stupid argument and your dislike what are you talking about that person gets deflated they need all this crazy energy

39:03 keep going people just kinda back off a little bit just like you said the arkansan that they live off that energy we just back off a little bit, don't use the smart phones get off facebook stop paying for cable start using more cash if enough of us hit that's all we need to do. You're right and i think that is a great point rather than shaking our fists at the sky and claiming moral superiority you can go about it differently be like a subtle cedar of truth or an agent have change on the down low rather than just being led around by the nose emotionally over, the crimes of say the clinton cabal it is a kind of position of power to.

39:52 Give them last you know to finish less energy into the beast. Like for example your show you've got a show where you talk for two hours, no two people relax talking no advertising right and this kind of conversation this is human interaction What if you watch this crazy mainstream tv what do they talk for like thirty seconds yeah no literally was it like the maximum not awkward maybe five minutes. It's full of advertising and always trying to sell you something, no telling me something with the advertising and then there's only one agenda with what they're saying this kind of thing we're doing here i think that sort of action all of these together we can definitely change

40:37 I would just help you focus on the money issue when people understand. The scam that is modern banking and it's just everyone went to the bank to say no i know what you guys are doing, can't one day they're gonna be enough of us and we're gonna end it where i can hurt anybody, where can i do anything violent working in this system and slavery if u said that every time you want to bank and i try to do it really trying to point out We all do that and wake up people up one day they'll be enough of us it doesn't have to be fifty percent of ten fifteen remember. Eighty percent of people just follow so instead twenty percent of what can we got to a certain concrete things that we all can agree upon right i think you could take the very progressive left,

41:31 The very far right one thing we can all agree on is and the banking scam. So imagine we just said alright a lot of stuff we disagree but what can we agree on foreign wars i think we had enough of those income tax i think we're kind of sick at that which is paying for all these four mores right in the banking system, just agree on those three things and let's make that change it once you made that change all within a constitution no revolutions When we can start fighting about gender identities and he's cheese and whatever. There's a lot we can agree on.

42:09 I agree and it's just funny because in another sense it's like your level of outrage or an individual's level about rage, doesn't really affect the actual actions and abuses of the empire just makes you feel morally superior and it doesn't really do anything but pat yourself on the back as. Oh, I hate what they're doing. Well they're still doing it you know it doesn't really matter you can maybe graduate from that type of thinking and do something more creative or be a more subtle agent for the good like by doing the kind of things that you're talking about It's a lot more productive than standing on the street corner with a protest sign for example. Oh its virtue signal Absolutely most of what you hear

42:56 In the conspiracy world and i'm not most of which is bullshit in virtue signaling you know it's a couple years ago i created this manifesto. Just stop we pick a date say three months from now, can we have a meme an internet name and on this day everyone is gonna stop where to stop using the banking system take our cash pay off the electric bill whatever for three months Where can you do everything with cash just cash and where to stop paying taxes and stop servicing that nobody responded. Santos but not she responded the only guy i mean maybe out there guys got a solid pair that much so what is how many people really want to do something, i don't think any people wanna do anything because i'm tired of hearing about this about it there are things we can do

43:53 There are things we can do and that we can all agree upon but nobody wants to do it's much more fun to sit about in mone about. It's time for action it really is time for action on certain level we can create more just the site record create utopia. We can create a more justice idea if we just act and i think that i was contact. Amen and so i've also heard you say that in these times we desperately need a new meth can you elaborate on that and what do you think of productive new myth might look like, Oh my god we are so desperate for a new math you know i was in this culture conference in berlin this weekend is fascinating berlin just amazing city. Sky great vibe and all of these young people came to hear speakers on the terror one magic and all sorts of stuff they were show hungry i mean we need, a new mess because the old mister dead christian unfortunately has stopped functioning in western society that was the major

44:54 Spiritual myth it stopped working so we need a new meth and that's one of the reasons i made this film because. The tarot goes back to something very deep in our past, what are you doing our past not talking about you know who is from egypt or something no these are archetypal ways. To awaken to our spiritual self and i'm convinced i'm convinced of this i mean i can't prove it What i think if you watch my film you'll see that not only are these powerful archetypes but there is a way and i'm not saying this only in the terror. Course many ways thats why i think buddhism has become so popular even yoga, yeah i mean a lot of people bash yoga but the wonderful thing about yoga i think it's broad to our west is that people at least begin to meditate, you know the quieter mind and see that there is something else there

45:53 Yeah we need a new math we definitely need a new map and that's really interesting topic when you look at. That period i think between nineteen the mid nineties in early two thousand something happened culturally, you can see it in films no films like the matrix and fight club the truman show all these types of film so that course you have nine eleven and something weird happen there and i see a new myth emerging Exactly what it is i don't know because remember you don't make mess miss are always there, they're like archetypes they just kind of a merge again beautiful woman who goes to change his clothes she comes back and never know which is gonna be where. And that's a little bit with the myth is like so we don't know exactly what it is but i do see something emerging now but thats why theres so much confusion

46:50 Because miss give meaning science is great but it's meaningless and we've been in this void now for i would say a pretty long time maybe couple hundred years. Yeah you know all makes me think of an old alan watts lecture that used to like a lot where he says if the game isn't worth the candle just kill yourself meeting like if you are doing anything productive or your unhappy living life stuck in some shit job, Or you're just not on the right path. I mean, why drag it all out? Why even feel compelled to go on and of course the underlying meaning of what he's really saying is make the game worth a candle make your life worth living and adopting a proper worldview or hanging your hat on a better myth per se is actually a big part of your mental health and life direction And you probably should put some attention into What you want to fill that space in your head

47:48 Yeah i need the problem is that people in our society we want everything kind of easy and we wanna quick. And this path is not easy and it will be maybe for some people not saying that there are not some savants out there but in general, you know its something that takes a long time to decompress i mean i used to be advertising world i lived in manhattan making good money My brain to get out of that literally just to get out of that mindset took me a couple years it wasn't easy so you know its along and remember if we go back to the terror, no tower card. That's the spiritual level at last those last seven cars the devil there protect their path whatever the ego is still really stuck too

48:39 The devil's gonna point it out he's gonna pull on those hooks and then you get to the tower card were all collapses dark night of the soul everything you believe this wrong. You have to lose your attachments yeah i think that's a die i mean think about that sequence of cards i mean its a beautiful sequence from, hanged man when you begin to see things in new way you see upside down remember the hanging upside down but has that glow That's that red pill moment like oh wow no and then your old self dies. And then you need temperance because you are in a really delicate state there, temperance is an idea of staying grounded in the film i use that moment when mara temps buddha with the women everything and what does buddha do it touches the ground that's the temperature card. The same exact concept

49:35 You know by what writer by what authority do you claim your enlightened and buddha what is the touch this ground. You gotta stay grounded then you meet the devil there's always something left to know if there's always one girl out there we can't forget right. And then u go, tell us where all just collapses and then your start to be born again. The star luminaries no star in the moon finally the sun So the cards can really help you not saying that some kind of religion or that it's the only way of course not there are many paths out there but for western people these are western archetypes. And one thing i just know a lot of people you know the terror can be anything u want to make your own terror, no it's like if you wanna learn music learned to play correctly learned well then you could begin to improvise we're cooking

50:31 You know if you wanna cook something well you gotta do it two or three times and then what should i had to do it then you can begin play around but first. No these are real archetypes may be mean something so learn the traditional part when you can go off on a new stuff while sad, end let me ask this too i didn't expect to but on the subject of astrology I've gotten more into paying attention to astrology on a weekly monthly basis and seeing where the planets are in the big cycles. As well as having a few readings of my own chart done and obviously you get some insight in yourself they're doing that but i'm having a hard time merging the two when i'm reading what the planets are doing, a lot of times they'll write about the effects that it's gonna have on the wider culture for everyone but there is also.

51:24 a micro scale of how it affects you individually based on your own chart and those kind of things i'm having a hard time rectifying me how do we, how to do that how do we if we know our own chart well and were looking at what's gonna happen next month how do we interpret that correctly through the lens of our own. Yeah, that's a fantastic question. So here is what I would do focus on your own chart and remember the house is extremely important so it's not just the sign its the sign and it's the house. Look at the aspects to that house where the planet is, the aspect of that planet and the rulership of that house are you familiar with the rulerships?

52:08 Yeah a little bit but just for people who arent. Yeah like for example let's just take an example imagine you're in areas okay i am ok great yeah your area so, your son is in aries right yes what house that it is the ninth perfect perfect so the great thing about having the sun in areas right is the sun is exalted in areas What's a really good placement gives you a lot of power there so you always wanna look at the planet that rules that sign. And that house place look where that plan it is what kind aspects making your angles to it, do u want get a feel for whats going on in that house that way i do it so i take a house with steak tonight how right right now what planets are areas right now

53:07 I don't pay a lot of tension areas can i have anything going on here whatever but if you take the night house with the house related to philosophy learning travel, if you have a planet that's moving into the ninth house moving into areas it's gonna affect those areas of your life. Just remember the sun rules aries so whatever aspect of the sons and scorpio right that aspect between scorpion areas. You wanna kinda look at that angle to that plays a role yeah astrology is difficult like for example when i do it chart, it takes me at least three days if you're reading someone will give me their info come up with chart

53:52 I have a system of numbering and scoring that i do then i look at it again the second day. And then the third day i look at the aspects to teach me about three days, get real feel for the chart and then i do the reading that's why i say the tarot is much simpler. It took me years before i can make up your kind of saying you know what took all long time but with terror i was able to do terrorism within a year Where i thought well you know i wasn't a great terror reader but i can get a reasonable feel for it so that's why i would really tell folks focus on the terror it's a great way to kind of get into this world, so hold up what's going on in areas right now exactly you got your rain is popped back in aries right she got your answer now.

54:48 And casually the moon's there but i'm just for a couple days but that idea of having your rain is going back into your ninth house thats kind of interesting for you because on the big level. Right all people who are areas have uranus and area right so it's affecting whole generation people know. What for you specifically tonight area of learning so there might be something that you were trying to learn or something that you were trying to get a grasp of the almost got, and now your short revisiting it working getting a second taste that would be a way to look at areas a little bit of. Which one are we in the ninth house that's why i support when you're looking at your chart really focus on the house

55:33 Right on interesting so yeah, I mean of course tarot and astrology would fit that bill have something that i'm re digesting as we speak literally Yeah, it's funny. Um and yes you mentioned the moon as I was looking at this uh astrological calendar I have that is what it is Is it's mapping? The moon going through each sign because it does change every couple of days And is there what the aspects of the moon is it's the inner Uh self right is that correct Yeah, when I look at the moon in a birth chart it's a little bit where the heart is. So when you look at the sun as kind of spirit, the moon is a little bit like the psyche and the ascendant has the body again we go back to the threes but when you look at a chart for example I have a friend of mine she got the moon in Scorpio and in the fifth house those astrologers out there know that's an interesting placement so what I mean

56:34 The moon is a little bit where your heart's gonna be okay what about your passion is gonna be important because if you're doing something you hate. When people come to me and i said gotta hit my job or something i have to look at their moon placement, it gives me an idea but you know the one thing that i could just give people one piece Of information about astrology that has always worked for me if i can only look at one thing on the chart you know what i would like it. The nodes north node the note of the moon where the notice that is your life path like for example do have your turn up, i do actually wear your note its that little horse shoe the north node is in the tenth house

57:25 Interesting and what sign for us right yes tourists that's the tourist side now this is really interesting for you. The tenth house this is the life direction ok so the nodes were the head of the dragon in the tail of a dragon, suffer someone like u your connection to family you have a tendency to go home life the family life your origins That's sort of like where you're pulled to what your destiny is the public life the tenth house you need to be out there. So you've got to be careful if u have a choice between the home the family your roots your origins or the public life,

58:15 There's gonna be a part of you that wants to go to the easy place which is home push yourself out there you belong out in the world. The tenth houses your public self and that's why what you're doing now that's white working cuz thats what she should be doing, If you are like busting your nut and some job that you hated supporting the family ube absolutely miserable yes. What being out there in public that's where you're gonna thrive if you thrive you figure out a way to pay the bills. That's so fascinating man because anyone is listen to this show knows that,

58:54 Part of what i struggle with now is balancing this emergence as a public figure through the podcast versus my tendency to hermit up and not post on social media not engage with the digital stage in which i'm on and whenever i am faced with some kind of. I don't even wanna say criticism cuz i can take that but some type of creepy behavior i have a tendency to just shut down all, That kind of communication with the public and reestablish a barrier and just kinda sit around the house and balancing that out that duality is definitely at the forefront of my mind so to pick up specifically on that i think anyone has listened to like my rap ups in this show you know thats already on the public record and you basically just highlighted it right there so.

59:43 I think that's an interesting example. Yeah, and i would highly recommend folks even if you don't know much about astrology just go to astro dot com pop in your info use whole signs it's just much easier i mean later on you can change but if you're not an expert it just makes it simpler and just look where your north node is The house placement is crucial and of course you're the sign is kind of generational no. Everyone born a couple years around you has north node in torres right but how's placement specific to you, really look at the house placement and that can help you so much it's amazing how many people come in for readings like focus on what should i not know they really helps them cuz it shows that dynamic in your life

1:00:31 And which way you want to go is usually the south node but the way it should go, you know those things like you don't wanna do you but your push yourself and i'm glad push myself right that's a north node can really help you wow. That's inside for man i really do like that i hope a lot of people do take that one simple step and also find that kinda insight that applies to them personally so i appreciate that And man, it's getting to be that time but this has been a lot of fun. I really did again like the 21 Faces of God. I think everyone should give it a watch. I also liked several other articles on your site that I have checked out but do remind them of the work you'd like them to check out and anything else you're going to be working on in the future? So the main thing now is The 21 Faces Of God In long form its two hours and forty minutes so you can watch it in long form and I broke up into 27 parts

1:01:26 And we have subtitles in spanish russian and chinese so if you got any friends. No don't speak english but speak one of those languages i've got the subtitles in there not just google subtitles are actually curated subtitles been a big project, show you just go to youtube just pop in the twenty one faces of god you'll see the channel you can see this year lies version or the long form version my website cactus land you know some articles on that and i have three novels What i break out more literary cactus land is i think kind of my most interesting novel to dystopian novel, i'd like that no i think it holds up and then my latest novel was more esoteric which also follows the narrative arc of the tarot. It's a your love incomplete so got three novels there free on smashwords with all three nothing for sale at the pre gas wow very cool

1:02:23 Robert you're the man clearly you know a lot about this stuff and i appreciate you dish it out for us keep doing what you do and take care of their. Thanks like real pretty man you got it sweet lady sabrina folks robert but no more twenty one faces at the big god archetypes are cons tarot the money spell and those lion bank stars, I gotta say, i did enjoy this one a lot. I think archetypes do deserve a conversation now and again especially when we can relate them to what's currently going on in the world. I know I had said this in the last wrap up that we were going to segue back into some practical down-to-earth conspiracy stuff and this episode was a good bridge to get us there because we talked about both sides of the coin

1:03:13 And it tied in to a lot of things that the more esoterically focused guests have been saying lately. And because the production line of THC episodes is kind of long, oftentimes... The things I'm talking about will take a couple episodes to manifest because there are things on that conveyor belt that have yet to come out It's all that editing, all that editing that other shows won't do. Taking up your sweet time but hey I'm looking at December and while the next show is actually about current events as rituals which i think is really our sweet spot one of my favorite topics...I'm also looking at least three shows where magic probably won't come up at all it'd be weird if it did and I think fairies even less so but I like drifting back and forth

1:04:03 and lately trying to stay out of the political but to really understand archetypes on a deep level like I wish i did even just a cursory understanding makes current events seem, A lot less potent or more like the world is a stage and I do think that helps us keep our footing when the machine is so effective at tripping us up it's got so much data to analyze. It knows how the mind works We need to keep a lot of the stuff Robert brought up in our mental rolodex of references. I also just thought he was an easy guy to listen too my editor thought he sounded like Richard Dreyfuss and i couldn't put my finger on it for a while but, I think I got it! I believe he sounds like Walter Bosley but recognizable...I don't know..he's got one of those voices and pretty knowledgeable across the board too

1:04:55 I was happy to take a couple of pokes at the financial system, talk Archons a bit. And I also liked his description of the devil. It's not unlike things we've heard before, but it's a good reminder that even the villain has a role to play or really just the function of fucking with you and pulling on your attachments. That's why every superhero says look woman! I love ya but you gotta get outa here because where i'm going they're gonna put you through hell just because I love ya and I'm pretty much bulletproof tiger And it's not to make a moral decree about attachments or say they're bad or anything, it's just a component of the play. A plot device and it calls into question what is true freedom and independence? From a certain perspective raw freedom and independence is too heavy of a burden to bear for a lot of people

1:05:48 Never mind the fact that I just successfully rambled my way through a monologue built around going from lion to tiger to bear, the point still stands and i have all types of attachments and weaknesses if you will. Strings for which the devil to play me! I am a stoner hippie house cat hypocrite for the most part but I appreciate a good warrior and what it takes to walk that path And I also liked his astrological analysis there at the end. That was pretty spot on, and i really do see myself in my birth chart quite a bit maybe other people don't really feel the same way about theirs? I don't know but I've talked vaguely about a rough summer largely in regards to a semi-public life and just marinating in conspiracy waters like we do and my tendency and choice to sort of recoil and hermit up

1:06:39 So when you hear something from your birth chart that actually is a reflection of a recent mental tug-of-war, it just makes... I don't know. It makes me feel a lot lighter about such things as if to think ah well this is part of the story no big deal and like he said it probably will be A recurring theme for me also good thing for me to have in mind and you heard him! I should choose you over my own family right? That's what I heard. I'm half kidding But we will see if 2019 is a year in which I push through resistance or if I retreat to my stoner haven. And I really don't like to focus on me as anything more than a question asker, it's kind of embarrassing but when were talking astrology It just works, it makes me an example that we all have in common

1:07:33 Because if you've been listening for years, you probably know a bit about me. And you can judge for yourself if these statements from the StarMap interpretations actually resonate with your impression and maybe it'll jumpstart an interest in diving deeper into your own stuff But that's what I got for you people. Another THC in the can, hope you had a good time with it! If you only heard the first hour please consider signing up for THC+. You get twice as much show, twice as much insight, and twice as much weird goodness. And i really try to stay focused on solid material for you guys

1:08:13 We get through a lot in an hour here and I take my job pretty seriously. I want it to be worth it, and in this episode with the extra hour we spent talking about the art of number, the importance of initiation getting off your own personal moisture farm, the mechanics behind tarot divination, and Robert explained some key cards of The Major Arcana. We talk Popeye, we talk Walter White, what were all trying to do overcoming these seven pillars of The Matrix So diverse as always, if you want or want to give plus as a gift for the holidays it's easy to do. Just make a username catered to that person sign up and email them the login info and tell them how long they have nothing too advanced pretty simple stuff I also got three new Hireside Chats T-shirts in the store or at the Hireside clothing if that your jam big thanks to everyone who is a supporter in one way or another

1:09:11 through the website or through Patreon. Obviously it means a lot and I try not to take my position lightly so let's keep making that sweet music play and i'll see you next time your move archetype invokers, arconic influencers and fools on the cosmic journey your fucking move. You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra is trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes. You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't! You gotta keep the curtains drawn cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not, you should tape the mail slot

1:10:00 And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends

1:10:53 They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason you think I might be wrong, I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not. You should tape the mail slides And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

1:11:43 You're better keeping on your own cause you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da You might think that these problems are small Maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull

1:12:44 Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't. You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself