Pope Head | Mystical Toponomy, Occult Geographies, & The Great Polar Myth

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06:22 So say we all, Hireside Chatters. Doing the thing from the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and we know that we live under a constant onslaught of misinformation and deceptive narratives about reality humanity in our history in this place not only in our modern lab coat age but throughout time The authorities have their day have always sought to control the ways in which we think about our environment and ourselves usually with much success Sometimes these seductive false stories collapse under the weight of a new regime, or maybe they're repackaged for a new purpose. Or occasionally they just march forth and find their home in the collective mind mainly on their prior momentum. And with so much manipulation over so much time, on top of cataclysmic upheavals wars and a revolving door of empires One might expect that deep truth to be barely a whisper and like a twitching finger poking out from the pile of rubble Beaten and buried but with the slightest sign of life still signaling that not all hope is lost just yet

07:21 Well, today's guest might be able to help us out. He goes only by Popehead and he has taken the seemingly separate echoes and whispers of several persistent stories of humanity that have persevered through time and space and connected them in coherent ways that gives new strength to the weakened segments of The Signal and lays out a model that I imagine you will consider quite compelling for The Unaware Popehead is the anonymous writer and self-proclaimed Gonzo Papal historian of the Pope head post via Substack which he refers to as a newsletter about papal history and deep topography that also exposes the masons and the Jesuits. But he also writes about things like the true nature of UFOs, mass occult rituals of the parasite class, iconography & symbolism, hollow earth lore, Fordian events, cataclysms, pole shifts, alchemy, and several other subject areas where our obscure and bizarre interests overlap

08:14 Hallelujah people, let's go. The Gonzo Papal Historian dedicated dot connector and great mystery revealer Popehead welcome to the higher side Hey it's great to be here man and thank you once again for that great introduction i'm flattered. I try and thanks for taking the time it was after a few interviews with our mutual friend schwab that he recommended i take a look at your sub stack if i was interested in some, swap adjacent takes on similar subjects and you and i started talking about interview over a year ago and then your twitter account was banned and only recently do we make contact again in that time you started this series between zander do and shambhala that i really love and is probably gonna take up the bulk of our time together

09:00 I wanted to start by introducing people to your perspective and ways of seeing things you have a post titled on reality nature loves the hide, can u write a few things that i think make it good place to start jumping around a little bit use say. Once upon a time i struck a certain unspoken deal with the world around me ice warm out the covenant of sorts that in apple and slippery intelligence surrounds all things A promise that i would devote my days to transfiguring the quotidian into the uncanny. Mysticism is nothing more than the ability to interact and perceive the ordinary extraordinarily, to meet the dawn with a certain conviction of resolve, to see beyond the dark sheet of daily life past routine and glimpse the world with a fresh wonder and terror

09:49 To understand this world, you must grasp the fact that everything is in flux and that all things transform. that beans come in and out of existence in the blink of an eye most men just like the will to notice i have seen birds manifest in the sky and disappear into thin air i have watched monstrous man walk behind me down a dark alley and disappear through a dead end once you realize these things life becomes a little more sensible what's your grass amorphous logic orders are waking forms energy world may finally open up to inquiries Well i love that but elaborate a little bit more on these realizations and the insightful experiences that have opened you up to these perspectives. I'll put it this way ever since i was a child who is always kind of an odd duck in this kind of weirdness underlying kinda strangeness eventually came to embrace, this strange overlap between all of our kind of mutual interests

10:52 These kind of spears we have going and the uncanny, the strange. The esoteric, the occult whether it's alien fascination or just a healthy interest in Goetia. These things first began to interest me as a child both my parents had very strong haunted house experiences as a kid this is something I'd hear about from my father without revealing too much here and doxing myself, my mother was the child of a diplomat in East Asia. They lived in as my grandfather would put it I don't believe in ghosts but I lived in a haunted house and I was kind of I guess nursed on these stories growing up that same grandfather had a very large collection of say East Asian antiquities gods that he collected during his diplomatic career you know? I grew up

11:46 Going over to his house, all these hundreds of Taiwanese folk gods staring down at me. These various divination things he had and this really sparked this interest just in the strange I guess you could put it or this kind of religious impulse and then when I got older I developed what I thought was OCD is intense obsession with numbers and sign that sounds a bit schizophrenic putting it this way But it was really just this very kind of intense fascination with symbols, what the world could reveal in front of me. Now my reintroduction I guess when I really got into this stuff was basically my viewpoint for how I see things if we're going to tie this all in together

12:41 I guess you could say, I'm a metaphysical realist in the sense that I believe whether you could call it God or the gods. These are objective entities. These things exist, fairies any kind of variety of super sensory entity. I think these things are just as real if not more real than human beings. I think human beings Have a lot less agency over our own lives in the sense that there is a kind of downward and. Psycho drama can have occurring around us all the time there's a great quote i think this is probably one of the best ways to explain my own kinda perspective on things and it's from james shelby downer king kill thirty three,

13:29 Because the dead and deadening scenery of the American city of dreadful night is so utterly devoid a mystery, So thoroughly flat-footed, sterile and infantile. So burden with the illusory gloss of baseball hot dogs apple pie and Chevrolet that it is somehow outside the psychosexual domain The eternal pagan psycho drama has escalated under these modern conditions Precisely because sorcery is not what 20th century man can accept as real I think that quote basically is the best introduction to my own kind of view of history events, the world at large. Yes there's a segment of researchers that call themselves synchromystics and they kind of credit downer as being a big part of the foundation of that community

14:19 And i tried to explain it to people as cultural scrying but it does seem like it kinda speaks that quote you just read that our current culture seems very mundane and innocuous and quite boring but underneath is a current of Is there a ritual and it comes through in some films obviously hollywood is a hot bed for this kind of stuff. It comes through at ritual events and award shows and god tunnel ceremonies and all sorts of strange stuff and the commoner just tends to ignore it but you'll find that these certain people with a knack for well

15:02 We have a tapestry of symbols and intention into what they're identifying as a mass ritual and it's hard to know how much is designed by a source or class and how much is like. The other side communicating back because some of it gets really complicated but i was also gonna ask about this cuz i know that along the way with this journey of curiosity in your life you have dabbled. What's the occult to a degree talk just a bit about that chapter of your life or really just what it revealed to you about reality itself cuz a lot of people their interest and magic in the occult is very

15:46 academic or scholarly, we might read a lot about it but not actually put it into practice. If you did put much of this into practice what kind of successes did you have? Were the doors of reality blown open for you?" Well I will hold off on going to the exact details as some these experimentations but I will say this and go back to your original question asked on that quotation from my Unreality article an incredible thing kinda happens When you set your intention on paying complete mind to say the strange rhymes that haunt your periphery on a day-to-day basis, when you really make a commitment to the strange. Especially let's say in city environment if you're in an ancient city environment I live here in Rome, you will tend to find some very strange things either in areas of urban environment where there is nobody around

16:48 Or when there's a ton of people around. So, there is the same kind of liminality or propensity for things that seem again to go back to this term unreal in areas like this you probably read that one article i did on very specific alleyway in the city of rome where i encountered something strange and it's in these kind of areas like this and these kind of seclusion in a strange alley that's linked by some unspeakable geometry to other strange points of focus of architecture or maybe the grave of a saint. And it forms this bizarre kind of trigonometry where strange things can happen and this whole idea of either ley lines, or any form of mystical toponomy these things come together in a very strange collage or certain points, certain areas

17:46 things that are in this world can be concert yes and for people listening your reference seen a story where you saw kind of like a shadow being type thing in an alleyway in rome and then you started dissecting. The environment which is odd and all the symbols bubble dot, And from this i thought about my own experience i told you that's what for people listening i've talked about my shadow being forty and experience many times when i was young. But whatever clicked with me is that, i saw this bean at the edge of the subdivision in arnold missouri where i was raised in the name of the subdivision was saint john's crossing and

18:28 That's such a esoterically potent name for seeing such a strange thing. And then I looked at the birdseye view of my old neighborhood, having never the desire to have done this before and it looks very much like a Freemasonic square and compass. I sent you the image am i seeing things or would you? No no its there! It's there yeah it's very weird I never thought that. Then I started looking into the history of well how did this Lutheran church get put in this place and who built the subdivision Then I had to put it all down and focus on getting ready for this interview. But it is really interesting when you start paying attention to details around potent things, and how it's like man this all seems like some kind of stagecraft but... You have another series called 23 Skidoo where you do go deeper into James Shelby Downard style analysis basically that synchromistic stuff

19:22 Are you right that you are fascinated with the idea of what james shelby downer called mystical topography and back to be described as the geography witchcraft. And i don't see the doctor names you say to explain this so really it is the idea that certain locations and their names can have weirder metaphysical effects very forty and stuff And of course this gets deeper from there but what would you say to people about how that is possible because sometimes it's very strange that. The names of a place stats derived by some humans somewhere i mean we would think and then like lay lines will be kind of naturally baked into the earth, how do we unravel this interplay between what sometime seems like

20:10 human design and then other times seems like baked into aspects of nature i'm very glad you asked that. I think a lot of people who go into this topic, try to formulate some kind of coherent way to explain it's really hard to explain these kinds things in a way that sounds even halfway reasonable. That's why actually have been deferring to an average explain the report listen to assist them The Eastern Neoplatonists. Specifically, my own personal thought is probably most aligned with two figures, Iamblichus and Proclus. Iamblichus' great innovation...Iamblichus basically breaks with Porphyry — Porphyry was this Neoplatonist who was the disciple of the famous Plotinus — Iamblichus's break with Porphyry it was on theurgy. Many of you are probably familiar with this term vaguely

21:14 But basically the urge he was a set of these kind of ritual. Ask you could do, to align yourself with the gods. And in Iamblichus' cosmology, his own theology he believed that God or the gods when they created the universe they basically sewed sunthemata in Greek, basically signatures or symbols all throughout the world that directly would have various correspondences with their superior deity right? So

21:51 In this very kind of elaborate hierarchy, say a rooster was said to be under the domain. It was a solar symbol just as a lion all these various kinds of things and it was the job of the Theurgists and Neomblechus and later Proclus' view to basically take part in this theandric task of uniting these various signatures together, these very signs of the world under their prevailing deity going about this almost redemptive task in So anyone who is familiar just from hearing that and you want to lose familiar with maybe james shelby downer can already see an immediate correspondence in this way of looking at sign of symbol. Psycho drama it was a very great book that just came out by the scholar gregory shaw he was on the foremost experts, i am blake is today and kind of late new york platonic

22:39 Theurgy. And he wrote a book, one I think it was called Theurgy and the Soul about the omelecus but very recently he wrote a book called Hellenic Tantra and in it he does this comparative analysis between Eastern late Neoplatonic theology and some of these tantric traditions out in the East. What he finds is one of these correspondences is this idea of the gods looking for bodies to inhabit, they want to manifest in the world through human beings. And when we get into the rest of our series, we'll see how that kind of plays out some more in these traditions. But the point I'm trying to get at is this, how does this tie back to our original question? How does this justify or how am I going to get around justifying this mystical toponomy? These are sleigh lines, these symbols popping up

23:37 This is actually in the same vein as how I basically explain some of my more elaborate conspiracy theories. Is, I don't think these things are all the products of men themselves. I think when you get these very strange correspondences of symbols – say you're going down a street and all these different names kind of line up in a very strange way, and it relates to this. This isn't just the product of maybe in the same ways maybe a conspiracy of men. It's not just that there is as I said I'm a metaphysical realist. I believe that the gods themselves have a weird part to play. And these various signatures that they've sewn into the world come into accordance. And human beings their commitment enough to seeing the weird just kinda manifest through them

24:25 And this is where we get into stuff like synchro mysticism and my own kind of very bizarre, I know Schwab has a similar way. If you ask some of these conspiracy researchers like us even though i haven't shined away from that label lately but i need to own it when you asked someone like us how we go about our process research well Mr Fort Quinta very interesting term called the library angel where you feel like something is guiding you. It almost just comes to when your research in these things and you get this progressive, i'm sick out of the blue you can kind of feeling coming on a strange progression of synchronicities and symbols come together and this whole research tunnel just kinda manifest before you and it's most amazing thing when happens is almost like a rush

25:18 When you really go down one of these research rabbit holes, you're almost working yourself up into this kind of manic... Funny enough real quick on that point. I believe it was Proclus II who listed out these four types of divine madness. One was erotic madness which is of course under the goddess Aphrodite, but he said the beginnings of philosophy come from erotic madness. This kind of love going out there is poetic madness which I believe comes from muses and then the last two are the most interesting and these are the ones that's under the domain of stranger conspiracy theorists. The first is a mantic or prophetic madness this comes from the god Polo and telestic madness

26:04 This kind of stranger initiatory madness that supposedly falls under the realm of Dionysus. Now to anyone listening here, I'm not literally saying that I believe these gods are controlling these various things but this way of looking at the world or thought processes of this inspiration that comes from outside. I very much believe it whether its through research really through anything. This incredible almost like strike of lightning that'll come over you. i think that's a great explanation and when you look at the way nasa names things with apollo in the old god's no siris racks and you look at bloomberg digging up. Temple of myth russin requiring to be moved to his new headquarters like the elite clearly care about these all gods knees old cults and,

26:58 A lot of times when I see conspiracy researchers just chalk that all up to satanism, i'm like actually I don't know. I think it's a lot more complex than that. No I totally agree. I think that's actually one of the biggest pitfalls of a lot of conspiracy theorists is trying to put everything into this binary of you know this is demonic and this is not. I am not passing any judgment on that. I am simply saying that when you lose this kind of ability to come out of yourself in your own prejudices i'm not saying prejudice is negative way but your own kind of belief system your own belief filter you lose the ability to come out that when you're doing this kinda free exploration, you can't lose your ability to engage with any of this at all it's good to be able to. Yeah to leave yourself don't know any better way to put it hopefully this is making sense

27:50 It is i'm so glad you said that cuz i think that's the page im on and a lot of audiences on and this isn't example of the kind of. Ritual decoding u do this long time in a try to not stumble through it make it clear for people but This is very much a decoding of an elite ritual like james shelby downers can kill thirty three analysis of the JFK assassination it's so terribly potent and. Deep down to the last detail it's the kind of thing just as you're saying some of that seems too precise for human hands but yet clearly people are involved in the planning of it, you have this example at a post titled aerial alchemy better than ufo you know part two

28:36 And this gets a little bit off the plan but i know our people love it so. we're all aware of jack parsons and the babylon working rituals out in the desert classic conspiracy lore but you go on to say what is important understand at this point is the reputation of seven is paramount to the whole thing symbolically now let's get weird. Babylon isn't vote between january nineteenth and february twenty seventh, in a desert in the american southwest exactly seventy seven years later During the small window on February 12, 2023 Super Bowl 58 occurs in Phoenix Arizona a city but miles from where the rituals originally occurred. Our magic numbers discussed earlier seem to haunt the event The two teams that played with the Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs

29:24 Do you know who the Eagles beat in the NFC conference match to go on to the Super Bowl? That's right, the San Francisco 49ers. LOL obviously divisible by seven now if a mass ritual was being staged act as a continuation of the Babylon working I would wager that football be the perfect Avenue why just look at the final score the game of course people no football it's again where points are usually grouped in 7 so there are a lot of sevens there and you point out even the game weather of the day sunny seventy seven degrees that obviously is too precise for people but then you say who got the winning touchdown a guy whose number is seven

30:06 Can you say does anyone remember what the super bowl is an extra link to that's right aliens it was a few days before the superbowl at the alien rumors and weather balloons impossible disclosure where ramped up to a fever pitch. All throughout the super bowl people on the edge of their seats wondering if the government was gonna release ufo info that week timing couldn't have been more perfectly coordinated even stranger, halfway through the game everyone began hearing reports that something was going to crash land on earth over france societal adrenaline was shot up to maddening degrees the super bowl is intertwined with ufo mania and everyones minds invite design i would add it doesn't hurt that phoenix as a city has always been associated with aerial phenomenon who remembers the phoenix lights

30:52 But as crazy as all those connections are, none of them come close to the true madness of The Halftime Show which almost indisputably links the Babylon workings with the event. Rihanna appeared on stage dressed in scarlet showcasing a plump belly in which she revealed she was pregnant. Crowley Parsons and other notable Thalamite occultists have used various females for the role of Scarlet Woman over the years It is not a stretch to think Rihanna could be involved in similar function but let's look deeper into this character known as Rihanna. To cover all the occult references she has made over the years would take far too long so instead we'll look at anything that could associate her with Babylon and the Parson workings In November of 2012, she went on a curiously named tour The 777 Tour! Rihanna was born February 20th 1988

31:45 That's within that window and curiously the 42nd year anniversary of the original Babylon workings. Forty two obviously divisible by seven as well it is a curious name Rihanna I wonder what it means, can you look at the Welsh name Rihanna is derived from me commonly held female name rena meaning great queen and most associated with ryan on a goddess of fertility okay enough there are no more coincidences like in the last super bowl in the battle and workings that occurred seventy seven years before but miles away as well as bizarre elements liking both events and explained to you what fever

32:26 Well i think that is really great work i remember watching at super bowl and immediately thinking scarlet woman i mean that's synchro mysticism one oh one being able to recognize something that basic and then it be in the reveal of her pregnancy i was like oh my god this isn't match but i never heard anyone else break it down especially with all this detail and all the sevens and the fact that she was born within that window of time Forty two years after the original babylon working that her name means great queen. Got a separate tell me i mean jesus man this is really great work this isn't example of what you were describing earlier, anything else to add so originally that came from twitter thread that i did right before the super bowl and incorporated into it and actually as always writing up was another one of these things of this kind

33:24 Very strange like almost rush from the outside coming in and you just go down with these very strange. almost symbolic tunnels. And I actually ended up predicting, and unfortunately my old Twitter account is banned but there's still many who have vowed for this...I ended up predicting the exact score finishing score of the Super Bowl someone told me they won $5,000 off of actually putting money on it winning by three so i got it pretty much to the point now a lot of people gave me flack for that of course especially on the more normie side of twitter like this is insane is what they said like oh was this guy claiming that someone

34:01 and minutely planned each little detail of this. Again, that's not the point at all as I was discussing earlier it is this idea that the conspirators in something like this in some very strange event with these very strange rhyme schemes is not just man but different powers outside of men or different deities basically are not deities anything you want to call them kind of mixing their finger into the soup of these occurrences coming together And then these occurrences coming together can domino do these very strange constellations and that's really the only way i can describe it. Yeah rhymes games is a great term and it does feel like if you start playing the tune,

34:48 the universe will finish it for you or contribute to the music like if you start playing guitar, drums get played from the other side and there's a symphony created tapestry of these weird. Get so simple signs and i think its amazing but then you start to ask the question well it seems like the only people who do this are have the power to structure that our people with dark intentions And so what would be playing with these people but you could assume dark entities. So not to say that it has to fit into the binary or that all this kind of activity has to be dark because it also seems somewhat natural, its like gravity isn't dark because it does what is does, its like this force is something baked in reality that you can play with but only dark people seem to play with I guess is what im getting at. I think there will be a very fair way to put it

35:47 I definitely don't want to deny this darkness that is there. And there are very dark intentions kind of buzzing around." I wanted to just make one point there for anyone who's probably hearing this and thinking, why would say you were some powerful plotter or some dark entity? Why would numbers come into this at all? Well funny enough and I will kind of base it as a very old belief. In fact going back to Pythagoras in this kind of synthesis, and we get a lot of our knowledge of Pythagoras from a survived writing of Iamblichus. Sorry for continually going back to these people but I think they have a very solid basis for looking at a lot of this stuff. And Pythagoras, of course added... He believed the entire universe had this underlying numerical symbolism or there's numerical basis and so much that he would apply this and so did the leader Neoplatonist to modes of worship. Everything for the fact that

36:48 say, Apollo delivered oracles from a tripod because the trias was the first number. Libations were made three times. Aphrodisiac received sacrifices on the sixth day and Herakles on the eighth day of the month blah-blah-blah-blah these numbers were kind of baked in there's a very interesting association that I've only heard Gregory Shaw, I believe is his name talk about if you've ever heard of the tetractys this kind of Pythagorean symbol Think of that rows of unequal numbers in this kind of triangular shape. So it'll be one at the top and two like dots, one dot with two under three four. It was a strange cryptic formula only comprehensible to the Pythagorean initiated

37:35 But what's strange is this word inevitably in Greek, the tetraktos reminds us of the kryktus which was the triad of different sacrificial animals. In basically the Greek sacrificial tradition that tried a different kind of genuses and sacrificial animals so basically the idea is that there's a connection between these kind of numerical sacrifices and the sacrificing of actual beings of flesh and blood Basically, the Pythagorean bios which is an art approach to this kind of theological bios defined a continuity of worship extending from blood sacrifice to the sacrifice numbers. But the idea is even going back into these earliest kind of Hellenic view of things there's this continuity between blood sacrifice and numerical sacrifice so there would be some kind of ancient basis wiring these strange numerical synchronicities into things, into these strange events

38:35 I know you don't have to use Hoffman's term of mass ritual, we could say as I like to put it public performances. So there is a basis, there is this numerical fixation that's almost as old as man for connecting with different demons entities whatever you want to put in. Sure so before we move on to Xanadu and Shambhala I guess since I did read out all those details of that ritual for use that one as an example i always like to reverse engineer how it might have happened some, source are there that are employed by the elite would look at this and say well.

39:17 the dates coming up here's an opportunity to load it with our symbolism in the right numerology and we can of course structure that half time show, do you honor that they could probably even structure the score of the game. They could probably even plan out who scores the winning touchdown. These are all degrees of control over which you could exact. And then the more minute stuff is then taken care of, and it was like you were saying earlier this idea I hate using this term but more schizo research or just paying attention to things once you start to get the ball rolling something else comes in finishes it

39:59 This is the same way I can view maybe something like this, some kind of mass ritual. Is when they've set the intention they cook up the spells and they get the basics right then something fills in more minute details for them and that's how the weather becomes 77 degrees. Now you say obviously with most rituals you set the intention so practically i just kinda laid out and u confirm kind of how it could. Probably be done or at least started but now what would be the intention why would the people who run reality,

40:38 Care about this such thing obviously the babylon working is loaded with all kinds of symbolism. It's implied that they must have some value or see some value in the original babylon working to even tie these events together but what did i get out of structuring all this what does it she didn't also why the ufo time, i think that is kind of the grand question isn't it and we can theorize on it and i certainly have my theories I think Manly P. Hall had a great quote, and it's symbols are oracular forms, mysterious patterns creating vortices in the substances of the invisible world. They're centers of a mighty force figures pregnant with an awful power which when properly fashioned lose fiery whirlwinds upon the earth." Again i believe these ritualistic events or you know these public performances

41:33 I have the power to change things in very strange ways. It doesn't always have to have an exact goal behind it, in a sense. It's not like Dr. Faust summoning something so he can get immortal life. This isn't just like a purely transactional thing. They aren't staging some big ritualistic event purely for a transactional goal. I do this, I get this I believe it was from Eliphaz Levi who put it this way, that when magic is done the only pure intention is for the act itself. I think there is a strange satisfaction – and anyone who's dabbled in occult could tell you this – in simply performing these things because they can't. And there is almost like a perverse irradiation that happens in these kinds of things. Think about an inverted Theophany, this outpouring

42:35 I think energy really is the only word for it. And i think there's a lot of people, even normal people on the block who if you told them you could stage some kind of mass ritual as power trip, this rush of it in very strange sense and that is about as far we can go with but also think on more practical side its sense to signal to other ppl with a wink and nod Yeah i think that makes a lot of sense and we do just kinda have to leave it at that we can recognize without really being able to fully explain every aspect of it and the intention behind it but yeah could just be, flex or one call letting another called hey we still run the show around here.

43:22 and exactly what's jump over to this between zander do and shambhala series of posts were not gonna be able to complete the circuit in the first hour because this is dense stuff you connect all sorts of material here information about the polls Consistency is across how are stories that speaks to me cultural echoes of atlantis stories of the mythic north mysteries of. Tibetan monks in the himalayas and cataclysms that's kind of the threads that you tied together here but give us a bit of an overview of this thesis, add them we can get deeper into supporting evidence with the rest of time we have

44:06 Okay, so in fact this series itself is unfinished as many of my series tend to be but I will finish it and I can give you a taste at the end of this where I am getting. So from the title alone Between Xanadu and Shambhala if anyone is familiar with Xanadu This is a reference to a poem by I think one of the greatest geniuses and mystics of the last 500 years Samuel Taylor Coleridge Xanadu is part of this poem that goes in at least the beginning of it. In Xanadu did Kublai Khan a stately pleasure dome decree, where Alph the sacred river ran through caverns measureless to man down to a sunless sea. I won't read the entire thing but this has always been a poem that has stuck with me. The first time I heard it actually and this is something I don't think a lot of people know as they came across it and a book on Teddy Roosevelt. I believe he was called The River Of

45:07 Doubt, could be the river of hope. I'd have to check on that." But it was about after he lost this election, my guest Woodrow Wilson when he was running in his bull moose spotty and he went down... He was just very kind of strapping enterprising adventurer who portrayed himself as a very vital man into the Amazon basin to go exploring for this uncharted river and at the very end of it, he gets cut And he develops this fever and he goes into this, this is real. He goes into this fever dream as they're carrying him out and he just keeps repeating in Xanadu to Kublai Khan the stately pleasure dome decree over and over again for like two days. Anytime I hear something like this, I would figure especially a president that's very kind of strange undercurrent. I know there's something there. For over the last 10 years I've known there was something even stranger with them

46:02 But before we even approach this, where I am going with this entire series is I believe that Samuel Taylor Coleridge had a mystic visionary experience in the same way that Saint-Yves did. The French mystic who had a vision of Gartha of this realm and inner earth and there's remarkable correspondence coherence with Coleridge poem and these other mystical Visionaries experiences seeing into a realm of earth so corage was infamous for having this kind of opium addiction. And so core it said that is palm came to him in an opium drink,

46:47 And there was thousands of lines that came to him. He had this vision, this place and again if you read the poem it's very subterranean and we can go into more about how it relates to Garth or stories of Shambhala later but he awoke from the stream in this person on business from Porluck as they call it a kind of infamous term literature for someone who interrupts great work is interrupted by person on business from Porluck after this guy finished speaking to him he forgot almost all of it except for these lines They say it's the greatest tragedy. There was one English professor who said, if anyone deserved to be killed on earth there was the person on business from Portluck peruting this great work of art." But for any of our audience who is familiar with Schwab and some of Schwab's text work, Schwab brings up these idea of the men in black or these entities that appear after some kind of strange experience that happens. He calls them beings of pure media and they come to clean things up

47:45 basically. And so it's very interesting, and my theory is that Samuel Taylor Coleridge was a visionary in this way and he was interrupted by one of these beings of pure media the person on business from Poor Luck especially because if you look up Poor Luck it's famous for these stone circles, these almost fairy mounds that are right near him. If we look at someone will bring up later Mr... It's on the tip of my tongue here just Our great Russian explorer and painter. Rorich, Nicholas Rorich. Rorich yes of course. Nicholas Rorich has this very long passage in his book on Shambhala where he immediately equates these various tumuli all across Central Asia and these stone circles and he explicitly equates them with the ones in England and these various ones like the one's in Porluck but whatever I'm getting ahead

48:39 That is kind of where i'm going with the series and will get into that for me my sub stack readers listening now there was a taste free of where that article series going. We can continue with why I decided to focus on this between zanadu and shambhala, is i think myself anything many others like me you know it's children we're fascinated remember exactly what he was. I think the first movie ever song beaters was disney's atlantis with my father And there is something that captivated me on such a deep and primal spiritual level about this disney production. You know what kind of airhead am i falling into experience from walt disney but funny enough as i'm sure most of your listeners now, atlantis as a concept is extremely old it goes back to play doh this idea of this round that was sunk

49:36 To put it succinctly, it's basically the idea that there was a high culture in prehistoric times. Something about this I think really speaks to us on the level that we're being lied to on our pre-history. But one other just interesting little tidbit here on Atlantis... Apparently, I only found this out recently and that movie, the language they're speaking, Atlantean language was actually constructed by very like renowned philologist who constructed the language on Indo European on what we know of the Indo-European language group. So there is some real basis to this stuff going on in there, okay? But onto the point I'm getting at here – I believe, like probably many other of your listeners here that we are being lied to or not even so much partly lied to but we have a very incomplete idea of man's prehistory but I take it an even more extreme direction. The entire idea of human evolution is

50:36 completely bogus and I'm not saying that a lot of people will hear someone critique evolution think i'm coming from some creationist thing, I'm spewing out here no that's not it at all. I actually believe that mankind is the product to kind of extreme degeneration that many of these myths are correct in that we were really spawned from much more superior beings And that we have been degenerating and why this is so dangerous because the entirety of kind of modernity is based on this idea societal progression, every generation is getting better how you are in the street nearer to happy happy sunshine. Of course it's gonna be a game idea progression i think that's completely false and i think its ally i think it's alive and needs to be shattered and one more thing on this before we continue

51:27 a very good friend of mine on Twitter, the Plethonist. I think he's one of the most intelligent men I've ever met. He was actually the one who first introduced me to a lot of this but the way he broke it down for me of why you can just kind of disprove the entire idea of human linear progression in an incline right at face value is when you think about it from a language standpoint and recorded history we really have no records of language like a vernacular language organically becoming more advanced or more complicated. It's always the opposite direction, the amount of cases and declensions that Greek had or even Latin and just seeing how organically these things they don't get more complex, they simplify, it gets easier in the idea that this also reflects a kind of physiological difference, a physiological degeneration, a physiological simplicity in our brains right?

52:26 And the Plethonist, my friend would say that this just proves that the myths are all correct and human beings learn language. Some God-like figures whether it's the Babylonian fishmen of Eeyore Jones or if you want to go for the Christian perspective right of god himself The idea that this can just come out of a vacuum, these complex forms of speech can just come out of the vacuum and become even more complicated. And then at some point it started to decline. Well that either says that human beings were on an incline in terms of our own physiological complexity and our own brain power and then something happened or we're on the decline or its always been on the decline. I hope that made sense

53:11 Yeah it does and we are talking about a dance. Kind of cosmology that you crafted our piece together from a lot of other material it's really tough to know where an audience is. That you're not familiar with and of course even the idea that the entire audiences on the same pages fallacy to begin with but, obviously atlantis we have this cultural history or this cultural memory it seems of a high society in ancient past And we know how are pretty well around here and we've digested some stories of the mythic north and mount maru in hyper borea. Any idea that at the north pole there is this magnetic mountain that is kind of mystical, add maybe that's where people initially came from their our threads to that well

54:05 What I think is really interesting about this cosmology of yours is, if I was to summarize it with a phrase or paragraph of yours you say among ancient authors there was an agreement that the Earth's current position with its axial tilt is an aberration. The result of some calamity both physical and spiritual Without an axial tilt, the Earth would not experience seasonal change as we know it for there would be a constant amount of sunlight throughout the year. It would be a perpetual equinox, the length of day and night being completely equal something that only occurs twice a year on the planet with an axial tilt such as ours. A golden age, a perpetual spring."

54:51 This is an extraordinary idea to chew on as it supplies a rational basis for these wildly diffuse myths of the past golden age of eternal spring and age where more harmonious relationship with time existed so. We've also talked a lot on this show about cyclical cataclysms and what's being proposed here, a lot of this comes from Arctos the polar myth in science symbolism and Nazi survival by Jocelyn Godwin is this idea that we had an ancient cataclysm. And before this cataclysm, we have this perfect harmony you could even say that the

55:31 Earth's rotation was three hundred and sixty degrees a more perfect circle and now it's three sixty five and now the access is off and we have extreme weather on certain parts of the planet that when you think about the equinox and how its tied to fall in spring these transitionary times are quite pleasant for human beings as opposed to the summer and winter your basically saying that This cataclysm knocked us into a profane, abhorrent situation where everything is a little off. And this affects human spirituality and this would have affected the ability to habitat the North Pole. So as the area that this initial high society lived in got colder and colder

56:26 In hospitable they would migrate down south towards the rest of the planet and then we probably have many even thousands of years before atlantis and that's the thing weekend kinda remember. And then we have probably thousands more years than we get to today i have these echoes in our subconscious. Throughout humanity that there something else back there and that this idea of a devolution is probably more accurate We've actually interviewed jim chestner who talked about the box i don't know if you ever gotten that but it is this thread that. This person your back says he was part of an elite family and ancient times in his family preserve their own language and this language was on a wheel and it was very compatible with other things just seemed very

57:21 internally coherent and he would talk about the idea of hell being Helsinki. Oh man that sounds awesome, gotta check that out man! He's from Finland and it gets really wild but it would be another thing I'd add to this stack and to try to give people some kind of coherence before we wrap up the first hour how would you elaborate on what I said if the spiritual pole has some kind of association with the geographic pole and we had this cataclysm that shifted us what would you say about the spiritual poll. And later phases are even today and how this might tie into the inner i think to start here something do clarify for the audience is

58:13 The idea of this axial shift being caused by some kind of cataclysm, there's some scientists who might be able to get behind that. Oh a meteor hit the earth blah blah blah but what's really radical on what a lot of these esotericists thinkers have threaded together here is the idea that this physical cataclysm like you said was inexplicably linked to a spiritual cataclysm or moral cataclysm. And this is going to be recurring theme throughout the entire series, whether it's this kind of as above so below, this microcosm linked to the macrocosm anything from the cold geographies being linked your own spiritual states and there being an effect there, they're being a link chain but to approach

59:05 the beginning of the pole ship stuff itself. So a lot of this is coming from a bunch of different personalities throughout the ages, and we find this not just in a single cultural geographic location, we find it kind of everywhere. This idea of the succession of ages and all these succession of the ages imply a kind of downward or degenerating trend for example, the famous Farmer poet Hesiod basically tells us, right? This is of course in the Hellenic context that there were five ages. They're usually equated to different kind of metals. He says it was the golden age then the silver then the bronze and heroic and iron if we go over to kind of the Vedic myths if you go over to India... You've probably heard this famous idea that we're living in the Kali Yuga this kind of dark age. This same correspondence is there

1:00:07 And you find this everywhere until really the coming of Christianity. You could say there's kind of an Islam, a Judeo-Christian way of viewing things where instead of a cyclical history it's flattened into a linear one but in a lot of them I hate to use paganism as kind an amorphous term here, but we'll use it anyway. And a lot of these kind of pagan cosmologies that's cyclical and implies degeneration at the very end of say the Kali Yuga or the Iron Age where you get this shift back as restoration. So going to what you were saying on the poles, a lot of this gets picked back up again from the ancient thinkers with Theosophists. The Theosophist probably our listeners here know of Mrs. Blavatsky

1:00:58 And they bring this kind of thread back and they kinda elaborate on this cosmology. They basically claim that they're getting this information from these enlightened masters over in the east, in the Himalayas or the Gobi Desert and for them to kinda summarize, Ganon also picks up on this you know there's many different variations of it but one of the most common is the idea of this completely polar to Hyperborean, to Lemurian right? To Atlantean. To Aryan and it's a loaded term here but the idea is the physical shifts in continents themselves also reflect a strange kind of racial ethnic shift and the type of person there but this shifts with poles themselves and it also shifts with the makeup physiologically at the body. The idea is originally this purely polar Aeon

1:01:56 And this is kind of how the Theosotists get around the fact that there's no fossil evidence, is that humans or these kind of proto-humans had completely ethereal bodies. It goes back to this idea I think Ganon advances that as the ages progress matter becomes more solid. So even from the polar to hyperborean these kind of geographic shifts where the pole is polar as in also spiritual pull. And then all these other authors come up with these different theories as well, but how this relates basically to inner earth is the idea is after the polar and there was a hyperborean, there's successive kind of migrations down south. This is how these myths end up both in say India and then also in Europe. The idea is that there was also the Lemurian continent

1:02:50 That was kind of out there in the Atlantic Pacific and then there is the Atlantean continent. That was somewhere obviously in the Atlantic, but there's supposedly a certain shift that occurred where the spiritual center became around the Gobi Desert area. The Gobi Desert, see the Himalayas and this kind of area of the world. And that's why they say even the theosophists talking about whether getting their hidden wisdom from the east right? Ex-Oriente Lux, right? From the East. From the Orient comes this light and it's said that from these various authors that under either the Gobi Desert or the Himalayas is a subterranean realm and its described differently by all these different authors if we want to give credence their visions We can say its almost like a bunch of seers are mystics looking at some truth from different angles And they're getting it slightly different each one

1:03:43 That's probably the only way we can attempt to put this together putting that out there coherently. Yes i think so i think that's a great way to try to stick the landing here for the first hour people but there is a coherence, do you need stories that you hear and many different cultures from mystics from deep thinking scientists all kinds of different people you lay out key figures along this path lived in different times and different places but somehow came to the same general shape of parts of the story and then you put it into a continuity. Into a chronology that i just think,

1:04:29 makes a lot of sense cuz sometimes we're like well is it atlantis or the mythic north no it's both those are both different parts of the same story and that's what really has clicked for me but. This has been great i hope at least two hour listeners got a clear path forged through this dense material but you are great writer you cover very unique stuff right in the center of my areas of interest and that's not easy to do but remind people of your true bread and butter the pope had post and elucidate them on the other threads that you've got running on top of this stuff we talked about today excellent so yeah i have a pretty eclectic interest based. I read on a you could say some diverse topics, i have covered italian journalist andrea tronchi reached out to me around a year ago for covering some stuff so i have been his liaison to the anglo sphere

1:05:25 with publishing his articles on the rat singer code and a lot of them were stranger side of the vatican you can say. We could do it some point in future episode on vatican conspiracies that's always been kind bread and butter, that's what we're supposed to do as you know to the audience we were supposed to talk about vatican secrets and then this body work came out now is like now this is great we should cover Yeah, but I had a great time. But yeah, I do a lot of more esoteric stuff around the Vatican and these various factions and these various plots. And I always joke the reality is so much more interesting than anything Dan Brown's come up with it. So hopefully I'm not insulting Dan Brown here. But yeah, I do that. I do a lot of art history stuff doing a couple articles on Georgia De Chirico but it all comes into the same matrix with The Weird

1:06:15 Anyone listening would probably very much enjoy this will be my last kind of self showing here i think the only one who's ever talked about in english. What is this article i did called the magistrate he met and i basically was investigating the, propaganda do way deep inside watch all the stuff that was going on italy during your letters they call them always conspiracies all those kinda undercover violence you could put it i basically stumbled on the account of this magistrate judge lawyer in italy who. Which is going to cover this entire conspiracy of a,

1:06:51 And this was a very respectable guy, an entire conspiracy of this kind of satanic cult in the Italian military. They threw him into mental asylum. He proved his innocence and he ended up going into politics against the deep state or the deep powers that be we could say back in like 2011 when he got out. Then of course he dies during COVID and they cleared everything from the internet. I managed to find one place where they still had all his documents. The funniest thing is when I did these theories This is how you can tell you're onto something. I wrote this article with links to the last, thankfully I saved everything too before I made the article. I put a link to the last page of the blog spot he had where he listed everything out in Italian and three hours after I wrote the article this 2011 blog spot was taken down. He just dead guy yeah no it was very exciting couple 24 hours. I recommend that but yeah I mean I do conspiracy, I do art history

1:07:45 I do Vatican politics and i also translate Italian right wing thinkers. Man poped.substack.com and you can be found on twitter now under what's the name? i don't recommend you follow twitter usually use that for a joking around but it is the brand head of sylvester the second. Fair enough yes man well i'm so happy schwa made this connection and worked out i had a great time i hope, there's some clarity to the narrative laid out for people if not just go read what you've written because it is really good and

1:08:21 I'm sure we'll do it again someday, but until then. I hope so! I really enjoyed man this is the first podcast i decided to go on just because had a lot of requests but have always been a bit antsy but just you know the quality of your show and of course Schwab giving that recommendation that means you know... That your... You know what you're doing But so I apologize if I rambled a bit getting into my stride but I appreciate it man All good It was a lot of fun take care out there Alright man Sweet baby Jesus, people! Can you believe it? The first interview from Poped. We made the cut and I'm very happy with how it turned out First interviews are always kind of fun for me It's a little risky though when you haven't heard a person's voice at all They could be a terrible speaker or have some really thick accent that's hard to parse but no this was great

1:09:16 Kudos to the almighty powerful Schwab for recommending us to each other. There are really interesting things happening in that Twitter slash Substack anonymous space and I'm happy to be dipping my toe into bringing them out on the main stage I've always felt with this show, i only do 20% of the talking it's usually the guests who get the floor for the majority of our time together and if you really boil down what my talent is. I think its just a talent scout for researchers of compelling material. I don't know if theres any single bigger source of my success than guest selection and this was an example of a home run

1:10:02 I'm like a record label executive trying to fold in the best of the best under my umbrella. Hey, come over here and do some work for me! But I ended up feeling like we were a lot more similar than i might have expected just based off the persona of Popehead and some of the stuff I see him writing on Twitter... Stuff that I wouldn't write but whatever it's all good. I like interesting characters And I take them In their totality For better or worse and I think Popehead qualifies as an interesting character. There's actually a lot of drama at the Vatican currently where they are saying according to Vatican law, Pope Benedict didn't actually step down properly And thus everything the new pope has done is invalid And this isn't a small thing i believe the guy who made the claim actually got excommunicated from the church They're really trying to clamp down on people

1:11:02 Raising this issue but it's bubbling up you know as you try to clamp down on something. Lotta times it gets away from me when you can't contain and that seems to be what's going on here it's getting enough attention my wife knows about so, it must be a pretty big drama And I was very close to adding that to our outline today, because the initial point of getting together with Popehead was to cover Vatican secrets and heresy and all that kind of stuff. But this Occult Geographies material and the polar myth stuff just felt like a great THC in the making

1:11:41 And so complex of a story that if we're gonna tackle it there's really not room for anything else but i love the well constructed epic narrative ties in obscure information that i consider to have merit. You could take this chronology this timeline and you can fold in the electric universe stuff to the very beginning of it, and I did bring that up in the plus show didn't seem like he was very aware of David Talbot and wall thornhill but he should be and you would just take their model for the golden age and slide it in with all this other material and it makes sense. Just a really fun one for me here something from my notes that I didn't actually get to mention but listen to this so he says later in, that on reality post that we did mentioned in the beginning quote

1:12:34 A friend of mine once said, there are certain men walking around the Vatican that aren't really men. At first I thought this was a snide remark on clerical perversions but later I understood men in this case was not denoting masculinity but personhood and it would only be much later that i would realize that this truth did not just apply to the boundaries of St Peter's Square So that's interesting and you would think that if there was some kind of reptilian hybrid overlord force that it would have a power concentration center in the vatican. But it obviously got cut because I just started chiseling away at things that didn't fit into the overall story but it really does cuz the later parts of his story really talk about,

1:13:19 the Nagas and the stories of fish slash reptilian slash amphibious divine hybrids. And he also talks about the parallels with the Fisher King legends and Shambhala, and it's just another one of these cultural echoes of some kind of thing represented that we can't logically understand how it's possible but yet many corners of the earth have this motif always associated with some kind of teacher or leader, or divinity. And maybe these weren't isolated incidents but glimpses into some kind of real non-human power structure on the planet But yes if we do this again I would certainly want him to elaborate on non humans walking around the Vatican but it also makes me think that George Adamski stuff where these beings would come to him and say hey we created all these religions on the planet

1:14:19 We see that these myths for you and we like the attention that they get he's really not the only one to say that but i think it's really interesting too tied all together and say well these creatures. Like us to have stories that they use to kind of control slash inspire us but from their perspective in might be ego service, And they did this a long time ago they occasionally make contact with individuals they think are worthy of engaging with and they sometimes tell these people what they've done. And then they have a schedule of reinforcement where people have these random experiences of seeing an angel or the virgin mary in there just laughing at us from behind that facade

1:15:09 And then if you think the general shape of something like that is true, well then it only stands to reason that a religious power center on the planet would be largely ruled over by those who crafted the narrative. There's a lot of mystique around that whole thing of Constantine's vision of the cross One perspective is well he never had a vision at all but he had to come up with some kind of excuse for why they adopted Christianity Obviously the power center of the day saw some advantageous reasonings to do that and so they just did it. To me, that's a giveaway you know I'm not big on Christianity but right there its like a ruthless bloody power center is like yeah we're gonna adopt this and make this the standard thing huh? Is it out of the goodness of their heart in wanting to align with truth and promote truth

1:16:03 I doubt it. But then the alternative is that he did actually see a vision and that these beings know who to show visions to if they want to propagate their own stories It doesn't make it any less of a control mechanism, but it makes it a control mechanism from a higher more bizarre place I don't know fun stuff to think about but I did love this overall story as a whole it is hard to get it right for us because the way the show is split up, it's always my challenge. I try to fit the gist into the first hour so it sounds complete at least and then add context and detail in the second hour to flesh it all out. I'm always trying to make a good interview that works on both levels but with a big story that is when its hardest to do

1:16:56 I think a lot of my colleagues could be suspected of using the whole first hour as teaser material for a second hour, but in my mind your paid subscribers are still listening to the first hour and you want them to put in an hour of their time before you get to the juicy stuff? No no. You gotta try to interview people who have enough juicy stuff to fill two hours! But coming back to the overall story here, I could see it. We get rocked out of sync and man has to leave the mythic north and come down to spread out around the rest of the planet And if they were more advanced then they likely shared that knowledge around with people They encountered and we get these legends of teachers Then we recognize this Out-of-Africa stuff is your typical inversion of the truth This stuff about a spiritual pull is interesting

1:17:52 that it might be inside the earth or under the Himalayas, so the Gobi Desert is fun. We really just don't know. We have kind of realized that we can't trust The Royal Society or the tightly controlled academic class or the people who wrote the original books—obviously, that was very state-controlled when printing came out! Only certain people could read and definitely only certain people could print a book So when our entire histories are based off of just a few of these things, or the writings of one particular Greek historian. I mean we're putting a lot of trust and a lot of emphasis on crumbs but whatever...I was very captivated by the shape of Popehead's story i like the things it explains and the logical through lines it takes again i'll never really know i'm not saying this is my new religion it's just what i'm excited about this week

1:18:53 But it does put a lot of isolated pieces onto a coherent timeline. And I hope, uh... It's something you guys are pondering until the next show pops up! But if you still haven't become a Plus member maybe this is the one that draws ya in You never really know but we added A LOT of stuff to The Second Hour We talked about para-fictional stories in general The shape of Hollow Earth stories and how they seem to follow a type of template we've talked about before But I think the best part of The Plus Show was the content about the Russian mystic Nicholas Rorik and his Tibetan expedition, and seeing UFO. That just connects a lot of dots but we also talked about the Blackstone symbolism... ...and little myths and stories about a black stone that stuff is provocative too!

1:19:46 So he fleshed out the narrative even more and I would hope that you would want to take advantage of the 7 day free trial and dive in. You're already an hour committed! Immortality, take it. It's yours Now let's talk about that last episode As i said Alex is a friend And im a very loyal friend to my friends Sometimes to a fault Its worked a little different with work friends But ive got life friends who have been really shitty at times taken from me, fucked my girlfriends etc. And yet I don't really quit people who make it into my inner circle Usually that's a good thing but not always The shape of my personal tendencies is still there in the relationships I've formed through this show and if Gordon, Chris, Alex, Recluse or a handful of other people ever have something out i'm not gonna say NO

1:20:41 I don't know why i'm wired this way, but I just am. And it's why it took a very long time for THC to have any return guests because if I don't get close to anyone then I don't have to feel weird about trying to pick and choose the material that I want to get into and the stuff I don't. As a bonus when they mysteriously die slash kill themselves they won't loop me into that whole mess either But with Alex, I mean even his last book on evil it did turn out to be something really great and interesting but it's not something that I would have been dying to cover if it wasn't someone I liked personally. And AI is also going to fit in there too you're not hearing a lot of AI talk on THC Not because I don't think its getting a huge push to be the next part or the next phase of our digital lives

1:21:31 But it's just so beaten to death across so many of the shows and media that I consume. And my attitude with stuff like that is that its gonna come up naturally in chunks, That it doesn't need to be a focus for an entire show very often. This might be one time we do a show focused around An AI book and topic itself Unless there are some Anthony Patch-like occult angle that resonates with me or something But in terms of a straight down the middle look at AI, it's not really a priority to me. And based off the rating I think a lot of people will be happy with what i'm saying because that show only got A 3.9 yikes when I looked at it yesterday It was a 4.1 which sounded a lot better so I probably should have done this yesterday but it is what it is The comments were all over the place on that one too

1:22:30 As is usually the case with these topics that are everywhere everyone has an opinion i didn't expect so much shade thrown at alex himself i think he's a great podcaster and has a really compelling way of speaking. Even with an average topic I think you have the ability to elevate it and be very listenable clearly not everyone agrees with that but the comments that seem too, misinterpret my own perspective were a little puzzling. I don't think i dismissed AI overall, look! I am someone who is very curious about the state of new technology. I was on the internet very early and started playing around with content creation years before I had THC even when I was in college actually you might not know this but I had installed

1:23:22 phone line in my room and I put the number online, and then I made content based on the calls. Sometimes I answered it and it was set to auto record. And then sometimes I just had messages that were left and it wasn't very good. I had to sift through tons of bad stuff to try to pull out any little thing I could work with but it was still fun. Really young i mean this is two thousand four or five just after high school so i was doing that kind of thing way before even had thc and. Even that was pretty early for podcasting in general and i bought bitcoin when guys like jeff berwick were talking about it on the air here when it was only hundreds of dollars not tens of thousands,

1:24:15 I even saw value in NFT gaming when a lot of money was being made on things like Wolf Game. So, i engage with things usually. I keep an eye on the space. Im not naive to new technology And with AI, I wouldn't say it has zero value but it has a long way to go. And most of the applications for what I do you know transcripts editing automated show notes there are tons of shows engaging with this stuff and trying to take the easy road to get their content out there but the quality is definitely not up to a standard where I think its useful

1:24:58 If i can't push a button and be happy with what it gives me, and I have to basically comb through at all. To confirm its good that i might as well just do the work myself or give it to human being who i trust and pay well to do it would say playing with this bias is pretty interesting i mean that's probably the most fun thing you can do with it right now And Alex's overall point about investors wanting more than a liberal talking-point regurgitation platform is a really good and important point. That tug of war between the quest for maximum profits and holding the progressive line could get really interesting down the road, but when you see guys from the Department of Defense making it onto the boards of AI companies

1:25:46 It looks like the guardrails are only going to get stronger, not loosened. But eventually I do think it will happen something will break through and we'll all be very intrigued by that thing but with the AI topic overall i have to sift through a lot of stuff that I don't find that impressive To try to hold up a few things where I can give it some credit in a two-hour interview. I'm more aligned with Chris Noll's take that technology is not really advancing anymore They're just finding ways to reshuffle the deck or rearrange the Lego pieces and trying to make it seem like some great new innovation. The reason I'm on that page, the reason I conclude such a thing is because

1:26:31 To me, all what would be the real breakthroughs are quarantined. The ether can't be acknowledged. Hemp can't be used as a fuel. Rife devices can't come to market etc., etc. Within the narrow lanes of what they have considered or allowed to be considered valid well it's pretty much picked over I don't think you can squeeze any more excitement out of it But whatever, there are very few perspectives I'm truly attached to. Sometimes I say something kind of off the cuff and then a person will really go off on how they've lost faith in me over that one sentence I said! And...I think that's kinda silly?

1:27:17 I try to craft a show where you don't even have to like me, To enjoy the guests and i try to give them enough space that's always true. And maybe ill even try to give them more than i have recently But all you have to like is my guest selection ability You dont even have to like my personality or anything about me That's okay As i often say hey we're just talking here It's not that serious We're no making any major decisions about the world And even if we were, if this is just a big sandbox for physical experience then I don't know if even that would matter. It's all okay but yeah 3.9 sucks! I don't like to see that and I think we did a lot better today but you tell me plus people know how to make their voices heard and we'll see on the next one If my intuition is correct

1:28:12 Okay, and now we will look at the Meetup calendar. And that actually reminds me I checked the PO box the other day and there was a really nice sympathy card from the folks at the Raleigh North Carolina meet up big thanks to everyone who is a part of that some of The names are a little hard to read on this card but Darren Weston and Amber Derek and Pam Taylor and Mary Ruth let me say that it did mean a lot my wife and I had a good cry in the post office parking lot and it was very unexpected. Thanks a ton! And now for the next events on the calendar July 18th, The LA Truth Meetup at The Coral Tree July 24th Eugene Oregon at The Oakshire Public House and July 24th in Pasadena at The Corner Bakery Cafe

1:29:06 Looks like we don't have any new events and one happened in between the last show and this one so we're down to just three events in July. Tens of thousands of listeners all across this great land, and nobody wants to meet other listeners! Alright I know were a weird bunch...I know you're taking a little bit of risk but if ya just put a business you enjoy on the calendar- I think even the nature of me reading it out It's kind of interesting. That's kind of like a free ad for local business and then you just go to a place, you like have a few drinks have a meal and there will be other people in your proximity that you might enjoy the company of. And if you don't well I think we've all wasted plenty of afternoons but you know my spiel network with the like-minded locals or so many things you could do it's good to just have contacts in your phone that

1:30:05 are on your page but you could even go further and find the right people and buy an acre of land for cheap on the outskirts of town, plant a buncha food producing plants and trees just treat it as your own personal nature's grocery store. You can create enough abundance for three or four families no problem these are the kinds that would do that for you maybe need to know where to find good local rancher these resources that you can Use. I'm sure some of you have moved recently like i did and now you have to re-find all those obscure resources that aren't full of toxins and All the bullshit while these are the people who might know maybe just need a good weed hookup, I don't know but there are many options And The only limitation is your own creativity Alright well yeah That's it! I guess? I appreciate Pope had taken a chance with me

1:31:05 I know you will enjoy his sub stack if you ever want to see some of this stuff fleshed out even more so than what we can cover in a conversation. And, of course the series is ongoing along with several others that he's juggling but that is the show! Redeeming myself early this July...I hope And I'll see you next time. I've done my part, your move Polar Myth Concealers Deceptive History Revealers and Guardians of the Spiritual Center of this Island Earth Your fucking move From space it was falling Its light started calling It's making crop circles again Just as i was looking up It showed me all the hidden stuff And now im all enlightened and zen

1:31:59 The masses is hard, it's silver ships Now I'm not asleep Don't obey the elite Gotta be too Now I start to wonder Now we're not the sheep that they bred us to Gotta be into the head Now we start to wonder Of corruption and crime Since the visitors set me straight

1:32:41 I encourage you to go when you see the saucers glow on the way, masses is hard still Now we're not asleep into that We start to wonder No, we're not the sheepest to know We start to wonder We start to wonder Now we start to wonder We start to wonder You'll see these things up in the sky Just a system starts to die

1:33:42 We've all stayed in extra millions time we have played Cause we're not the sheep that they know Now, we start to wonder now we're not asleep cause we got THC And now we start to wonder Now, we start to wonder