Patrick Jordan & Annette | Weaponized Ticks, Lyme Disease, & The Medical Machine

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01:42 Firstly, you might remember that we've had Patrick Jordan on once before where we did what I thought was one hell of a show about his research into the medical machine as a weapon both in modern times and distant eras that are much more surprising. And i do enjoy Patrick's perspective it is one of the most extreme positions I've heard someone take on this show when it comes to issues like this And I salute him for that rebelliousness. But what's different about today is that we're also joined by Annette, who is a member of his research group he calls the Little Red Hens—just regular folks studying and researching as best they can out of personal interest and dedication to seeking out these hidden truths

02:26 And having Annette join us was a real treat because she's been through the medical ringer first hand. She has seen one condition turn into another, get treated by pharmaceuticals that make the problem worse and then new things go wrong etc etc... And she is going to tell you all about it but I'm sure we all know someone in our circles who has similar experiences and its very sad to see But from a podcast production perspective, hearing a person's personal medical history can be a bit dry. I'm aware of that! But in Annette's sections she describes a template that while the details are pretty personal and specific tends to represent a big chunk of Americans especially our aging friends and family

03:14 And I thank her for making the effort to be on the line. I know it wasn't particularly easy as she's still dealing with so much in the way of her health, it is kind of a lot ask them to speak about this stuff on air but its all first hand validation that Patrick has some things right So I think her presence is important and adds a layer of credibility to the overall case Plus, I wanted to say that as you start listening you might hear some bad lags in Patrick's connection. But I had us all re-establish the call after a few minutes and luckily we cleared that issue right up So do not worry it is not the whole show And as you know THC has a lengthy editing process where we try to make these conversations As fluid and engaging as we can

04:02 But I do hope content wise it's all good food for thought and some added perspective for your own models. I know it was kind of exciting for them because they brought to the table some research and findings that they have not spoken about publicly anywhere really, and the implications are pretty epic! So that's really all, I just wanted to set you up with some context now that I've finished this episode But I don't want to start repeating things that i say in the actual intro so let's just dive into it. Right after I resurrect a little bumper music that we don't get to use much anymore enjoy. Pack it and park it, tune in and spark it cause Greg is about to open up your mind armed with information about his secret manipulation And the wisest officianados he can find

04:55 And he's pulling back, parroting on what we thought we knew for certain So that we can see the world with a brand new set of eyes You're listening to The Higher Sessions Sweet Sola Busca people, how we doing? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and over the years we've been unpacking many unconventional boxes from 5G and the five-pointed star to Archons aliens in AI but one of my favorite conspiratorial categories has become those things that reside within the medical sphere because to realize the dark wizards or the Western Medical Monopoly are not your friends at all is a dark and startling thing to come to grips with

05:39 But should we be that surprised when we turn our wartime chemical companies into the faces of big pharma and food production? When we let oil tycoons sweep nature under the rug and offer up oil-only solutions. When we go to a hotbed of mad German scientists conducting human experimentation, psychological torture, and eugenics campaigns and give them jobs running our system Well, when you reflect on some of these questions the denial starts to wash away and you start to see that this couldn't have really turned into anything but the big mess we have today. Put all this under the capitalist umbrella and the words of Chris Rock ring truer than ever there aint no money in the cure The money's in the comeback And within this overall context We have many smaller sagas full of injected bovine proteins monkey viruses regulatory capture people in pain and good doctors suspended

06:30 which is all in the mix of today's medical microcosm, the topic of Lyme disease. And who better to break it all down than returning guest Patrick Jordan because Patrick has been breaking down the attack that is modern medicine for years He's written over a dozen books on the subject, including ICD-999 Vaccine Induced Diseases The Chronic Serum Sickness Postulate which we talked about last time. As well as titles like Operators Manual for the Human Body Assaulted and Same Pig Different Lipstick He also runs the website vaccinefraud.com and you know we had to snag that domain early! Joining him today is his good friend and fellow researcher Annette, someone who's been listening to THC for several years helped me first get Mr Jordan on the show and unfortunately has been through the ringer of The Medical Machine

07:21 She's dealt with the devil over antidepressants and has also been diagnosed with lupus for which she's been working with Patrick to treat as a manifestation of Lyme disease, with some success. I think this is going to be some powerful eye-opening stuff so let's do it! Patrick and Annette welcome to the show. Thank you very much Greg it's good to be here Thanks, Greg. I really appreciate this you actually have the scoop on us releasing other than my low viewership views of Concepts major concepts that are going to absolutely destroy medicine and alternative medicine for all time So this for me is a big show and I appreciate you having it on Wow wow yes? I am honored to play a small role in getting the word out and

08:10 Patrick so we've done this once before and just to give people a reminder we talked about your position that medicine is always been in military offensive operation not about helping people the. Reason battlefields were always so full of diseases that soldiers were given injections that even if they died out, They would still keep killing in a sense, you know once they've been injected. That's something that really stuck out to me But the overall theme was that many many of these conditions we call disease come actually from vaccine reactions Sometimes even decades later This is all a creation of the system and my second question will go to Annette but Patrick How do you frame up this conversation about Lyme disease?

08:52 Okay, it came to us and that's why I want to make a net and her screen name as one of the little red hands. That's part of my unpaid research team we were working on her health for about three years And we got her to a certain level of health when she decided to on her own taper from antidepressants and in that process it unmasked lupus. From lupus we divined, so to speak, that there was a connection with Lyme and so what I have done over the years is developed a theory called continuum that everything is connected to everything else

09:38 And Louis Pasteur, who I think is an insane monster. He had a paraphrased quote that goes chance favors the prepared mind So as we were working with Annette and that's why I want to make her center stage here As we were working with her We were able to deconstruct all of medicine and alternative medicine To the point where everything that I had studied and was taught since 1978 completely went out the window. And we, collectively the Red Hens and i have been learning biophysics from the ground up only because we had to throw out all of the lies. And I actually forgot what your question was. It's just about framing things up which you did quite well! Okay good

10:32 So, Annette you can jump in here as well. How did you get involved with Patrick's research group and how have you felt in your first-hand experience that this treatment alternative has been working as opposed to what was offered up from the medical machine? Well I first discovered Patrick while listening to Clint Richardson when he was on RBN radio it's really synchronistic because My son's name was Patrick and my mother's maiden name is Jordan. I loved his personality, i loved his knowledge, i loved his insight into medicine and prion disease and his whole philosophy vaccine fraud issues and all of that. I really appreciated that so i checked out his website and found out that he did consults and i was having a lot of health issue

11:31 So I contacted him and told him how i learned of them. And we started working together September of 2015 so it's been three and a half years now almost did a complete bio of my medical history, i was really very sickly child i had really bad asthma this is back in the fifties before there were as many drugs there weren't any albuterol inhalers or cortisone inhalers, or any of that type of stuff. And I grew up in the Houston area on the east side of Houston close to the Houston ship channel and that is where they're so much all refineries

12:20 And there's a lot of, during that time at night they would let out all of the crap that was created during the day and it filled the air. And in the 50s there was no air conditioning so sleeping at night with the window open I would get really really sick in the middle of the night and have to be rushed to the emergency room to get a shot of adrenaline because I couldn't breathe So all my problems started out when I was very young with asthma And one of the things that Patrick and I discovered during our consultation together was that, I probably didn't really have allergies and asthma per se. It was more a mast cell disorder in mast cells M-A-S-T. The mast cell controls the release of histamine.

13:19 That was one of the first big breakthroughs in my health, was discovering that all of the antihistamines I've been taking over the years. All of the allergy testing that I had over the years, allergy shots... None of that helped me. And let me interrupt for a second. Tell everybody how long you had been taking antihistamine with absolutely no relief? Most of my life! About 40 years. 40 years of a poison with no results, we came across the idea of mast cell disorder and I suggested it to Annette and said hey how about we pursue this avenue of treatment remedy because there's certain things that can't say because i'm not a doctor and give medical advice so it's like okay we found mast cell stabilization remedies

14:12 you tell them how it works, you know? How many grams are taken per day and how many are taken now. Well when I first started taking the mast cell stabilizer which is a natural bio flavonoid that's found abundantly in onion it's called quercetin Q-U-E-R C-E-T-I-N Is that correct Patrick? Yep Okay The max limit is... You can take up to 8 grams a day And I was taking between six and eight grams a day. I would take like 1500 milligrams three or four times a day to keep my allergies in check, and i'm at a point now to where I take two in the morning. I take 1000 milligrams a day is all. And I don't even really feel that I need those

15:08 but I take it just to be on the safe side. But, I really had no allergy problems, no sneezing... The horrible allergy symptoms that I had experienced most of my life have pretty much gone away with this natural bioflavonoid. And so 1000 milligrams is 10 grams. So she's on one eighth of the dose that she needed to stabilize her condition and it worked famously for Granny Annie, I love to call her that because that's a screen name. It worked really well for her but another one of our people had tried quarter teaspoon of quercetin and it just about made her pass out

15:52 So the thing that is individual tailoring of whatever it is that you need to get from point A to point B. Everything we say, is not going to work for everybody all the time and thats one thing alternative medicine does no do they will push something like quercetin like its second coming And never give you like i just did the other side of the coin that it may not be for everybody. That makes a lot of sense and so, Annette was diagnosed with lupus and I know you sent me a lot of overall material on Really the Lyme disease situation it seems like this guy dr. Alan McDonald was a real pioneer here But while the media gets us all hyped up about Ebola or the bird flu Lime is actually infecting tens of thousands year and that's unofficially because if

16:48 Dr. McDonald and you guys are correct people who have MS lupus ALS Parkinson's and Alzheimer's might all be dealing with the Lyme spirochete which is could be thought of maybe as like a parasite and So it's going to affect different areas of the body differently wherever it wants to go. That number might really be in the hundreds of thousands because there are all these misreportings going on when it is a single cause, which is this Lyme spirochete. Is that right? Correct! Yes, CDC in the past admitted like 30 thousand new cases per year They've now gone up to about 300 thousand cases a year

17:32 And according to Dr. McDonald, it's closer to 900000 cases per year and the documentary under our skin they listed as close about 800 or 900000 cases a year Greg what i would like to do is to bring the audience up and a stepwise fashion because it's not that you jump the gun but you brought us into alan mcdonald. And of all the physicians can he was a friend that medical examiner of all the positions of all the world key blue lid off of what line is,

18:12 Now Lyme is not just Borrelia. He proved beyond a shadow of doubt that when a tick bites you, in its spit and I'll give you the laundry list later but among the things that it takes injects into the victim are things called filarial worms and they are tiny. They are tiny little roundworms their nematodes and they actually act as like the taxi or the city bus for Borrelia and Nematode burrows into the spinal cord. It can get into the cerebral spinal fluid, it can either set up there or get into the brain and some people you know especially the Lyme people will know the word Neuroborreliosis

19:01 meaning that the spirochete alone, nobody's talking about the worms. That's like the elephant in the room. Nobody is talking about the worms but they talk about the neuroborreliosis from this spiral key organism and that means that you're insane in the membrane now what I would like to do is tie that end in that people will have not just physical manifestations but psychiatric manifestations And so dating all the way back to 1978, I was developing this theory of somatocytoregion of disease. Now we're always taught psychosomatic and alls I did was an opposite day and I turned it around and I've been able to prove it

19:47 Is the even mental emotional and psychiatric manifestations can have their soul root. And the physical so it's not mental there is not anything wrong with your head there something wrong with your body and its manifesting through the way you present the world. It could be anywhere in your body, literally any organ and any tissue and sometimes like with the flareal worms and the Borrelia it can literally be in your brain so what I want to do with that then... And this is important! This is one of the biggest concepts that we have to get out today is Annette was not only having physical problems

20:33 what are allergies and all that she actually got onto things like antidepressants and anti anxiety drugs and if she could pick up the narrative there i'm going to blow the lid off of what all that means. That sounds great perfect okay i married very young and had a child at the age of eighteen, end my obstetrician at the age of eighteen after having a child prescribed for me Librium, which was kind of a precursor to benzodiazepines Valium Ativan Xanax all of those type drugs. He said you know being young new mother You might be overwhelmed some days so take this anti-anxiety drug To help you well I mean this was 1969 50 years ago and

21:33 Doctors were our friends, doctors were gods. Doctors were wonderful people you know so you take the drug that the doctor gives you and then once Valium became the drug of choice and given out like candy I was given Valium And it's something that i've had on hand since I was 18 years old I didn't take it every day but I had it around in case I had a bad day And then 15 years ago, I had a really bad family upheaval. I wanted to go talk to the psychologist to talk through the pain and issues but insurance doesn't pay for psychologists usually so they sent me to a psychiatrist. And that's because the psychiatrists can prescribe drugs correct? Correct yes

22:26 they're really bad at talking but they're really good handing out prescriptions and i was put on effects are which is a, no rep in africa saratoga rehab take inhibitor and sri and they say they're not addictive. And there not addicted in the way like opium is addictive but you still become dependent on them because getting off of them is really, really difficult. Because having the serotonin readily available prevents it from re-uptaking and keeps it at the brain level so that its always available to the brain. So trying to get off of it and reducing the amount of serotonin in the brain causes what's called Brain Zaps

23:20 The brain has to start working again and trying to grab hold of the serotonin rather than it always being there at the ready for their brain to use. And these brains apps, they drive you crazy I mean it's really really difficult to get off of these drugs because those brains apps and people just don't try and give up but I never found that the antidepressants didn't help me i wasn't depressed i was angry i was upset so i tried several times to get off of them without success and get to a certain point in the brain saps just become too overwhelming to deal with. But after the fifteen year up people,

24:09 and taking the antidepressants value became a big problem i don't know if you remember the movie dancing as fast as i can because they discovered how addictive valium was so they created. More benzo's that were supposed to be less addicted in one of the next expenses they created was at a van which was supposed to be less addictive and less harmful. But these drugs have half-lives, and Valium has a very long half life so it stays in your body for a long time. Ativan has a very short half life and only stays in your body maybe 24 hours. And I only took Ativan at night to help me sleep along with Ambienz. So I mean, I was on like a triple cocktail

25:01 Really bad pharmaceuticals that no one should take because they're just so harmful what happened i started with drawing from all of my hobbies everything that i enjoyed became a girl but hardly left the house life just held nothing for me anymore i didn't know what was wrong I didn't discuss it with anyone but Patrick because i felt no one would understand or wouldn't think i was crazy and this went on for close to a year. And that was when i decided okay, im gonna get off the antidepressants. I thought that was the problem It took a long time, i tapered very very slowly and thats something thats very important for people to understand

25:53 Never ever go cold turkey off of any of these pharmaceutical drugs because it could cause you to want to kill yourself. I tapered very, very slowly off of these took me probably close to nine months but unfortunately that didn't solve my agoraphobia, my apathy, my lack of motivation and i was on the phone with Patrick and he said Annette I don't think your gonna feel yourself again Until you get off the out of and it been so that as a thing. And i said patrick i just don't see how i can do that right now i just got off of the antidepressants any said well sounds like addiction to me, add always felt that i had a dependence on these drugs but i never felt addicted and addicted is really a trigger for me because i had a son that was drug addict and couple days later

26:54 That statement just really upset me and I got on the internet and started researching. And i discovered this fantastic website www.benzo.uk.org, it's a United Kingdom British website by Professor Heather Ashton called The Ashton Method. And I looked through that website and discovered everything that had been happening to me and i discovered that i have thrown myself into withdrawal from an event because i wasn't taking enough of it, how is only taking at night and i had thrown myself into withdrawal. And all of the symptoms the agoraphobia black motivation the withdrawal from hobbies and things that are used to enjoy i stopped cooking for myself

27:54 All of these things fit what happened. And the solution per the Ashton method is to switch from the short half-life at a van, which the generic name is lorazepam, switch back to Valium, which the generic name is diazepam and taper from there. Luckily I had a very caring primary care physician I sent her this information and she agreed to work with me. So, i saw her mid-april and so she wrote the prescription out for Valium there are taper schedules on the ashton... on the benzo.uk.org website that tell you how it slowly taper also i was taking like two or three milligrams of Ativan at night

28:52 I didn't realize that one milligram of Ativan was equivalent to 10 milligrams of Valium. So when the doctor switched me over, she gave me 30 milligrams of Valium a day to take. Well my body... they react very differently. Ativan is very subtle. I never felt sleepy or...I mean like if i took it during the day, I never felt altered But when i started taking value again it altered me considerably ten milligrams made me feel like a drunk person so it was very easy to taper quite quickly. So i started mid april and by june, how is back to myself again in fact i felt better than i felt ages my motivation was back life became meaningful again i started getting out more i started

29:53 Back in on my research, my quote conspiracy theory stuff that I love so much and contacted family. And I felt fantastic but i had an old back injury from an auto accident from when I was a teenager. I had a bad whiplash and from time to time over the years even though I was 16 when that happened I would have really bad back problems But I could go and get a massage or two, and it would resolve it for months. Well the backache just got worse and worse And I called my former massage therapist who comes to the house. I had eight massages in the time frame of about 2 months. And the back pain just got worse and worse It didn't help In fact it was probably making things worse

30:51 That was before I had the lupus diagnosis. And so let me interrupt here for a second, what we see from Annette's story is that she was on drugs like antihistamines for 40 years that didn't help All she wanted was counseling and she was given drugs, antidepressants anti-anxieties and they didn't help. In fact they not only addicted her but were listed as non addictive She couldn't get off of the damn things because they almost had a mind their own They have a way of regulating receptor sites in the brain So even if you're flooded with serotonin

31:30 If you have more receptor sites than you have serotonin, even during the taper. You have to genetically down regulate those receptor sites or you are going to feel depressed even if still coming off the I call them smart drugs it's almost the drug has methods and an intent to keep the person hooked on that drug. So she was really deep into the talents of the pharmaceutical capture and she was doing her best effort to get away from it,

32:06 And one of the things I've seen across the board, everybody that I work with is the more healthy you get over time. The more you actively and even unconsciously pursue healthful behaviors. So although I had always encouraged Annette to get off a pharmaceuticals it was her personal action get off of the NSRI's And then that's when we had the conversation where I said, you know you really need to get off of everything. And I said it sounded like addiction to me and that changed her entire perspective so she went out and did the research again this was all her. She proved me wrong i'm not addicted and she found out as she had indicated that everything she was experiencing was an artifact of the drug

33:02 and because she was getting healthier over time, she made the decision to get off the drug. Well a drug doesn't want to let you go and again they say that they're not addictive but the Ativan was 10 times more powerful than Valium Well, that's a recipe for addiction right there. And so as she was coming off of these drugs and now here is the biggest idea that we were promoting in a series on lupus and Lyme and my video on YouTube called Revolution is that we discovered quite by accident We were just trying to get Annette better but in that pursuit

33:51 Annette had gotten to a really good point in her health and she had said that she had never felt emotionally better in her entire life. Yet, as she was weaning from the benzodiazepines after getting off the NSRIs that new physical problems were emerging Add even add myself and the red hands were trying to get to the bottom of it was really beyond the scope of our understanding. And so she had a physician probably only doctor that i've ever known out, that was not a white coated assassin any he did the autoimmunity test that revealed lupus

34:41 And this is the big idea right here. This is the thing that you're scooping the world on, Greg. Okay Is that we discovered because of this process That all of the anti-depressant and anti anxiety drugs They're all immunosuppressive agents So they're the same thing as like an anti-rejection drug. Hmm, so she may have had and you know we do regressions with people will bring them all the way back to their earliest years when we take a history And though Wee! You know it's a collaborative between me and my consults Will go all the way back to like when Annette was four years old and she had a kick in her ear

35:29 wow will come forward in time to when she was rescuing a feral cat and she got bit probably to the bone by a wild. And so when did you get lime we don't know, But we do know that when she got off of the antidepressants, started to taper from the anti-anxiety medications. That all of a sudden this disease literally that had to have always been there smoldering was finally unmasked and that is the big idea. That it doesn't matter what the mental and emotional impact of these drugs are

36:16 That's secondary to the fact that they are purposely immunosuppressant. And that means that they can then hide any disease they want in us, and it will be beyond detection of anybody who doesn't even know what to look for. So her doctor, I'll let you tell this story, he ran a Sjogrens panel on her because she had certain symptoms and it didn't show up Sjogren's, it showed up lupus. So just to jump in here so what you're saying is these antidepressants that almost everyone knows someone who has taken them they are suppressing the immune system to the point that infections that the immune system is keeping at bay maybe for years allows them to come to the surface now? Exactly we'll go with that

37:06 Tell them about your ENT and how we actually discovered this because if we didn't have his help, we would have been lost. My ENT I discovered him because back in 2002 i was diagnosed with thyroid eye disease Which is another autoimmune disease and I have... I apologize for interrupting but autoimmunity because we are going to jump into that one too. Right, it's a strange disease it's fairly rare and it attacks the muscles behind the eyes and it causes them to protrude forward so your eyes protrude forward my eyes were always my best feature and it almost destroyed them

37:55 I had to wear sunglasses because I scared small children in grocery stores. It's supposed to last from 18 months, maybe three years. Mine started in 2002. I had a thyroidectomy trying to get my thyroid under control so that I could have additional treatment for my eyes So I had the thyroidectomy in September of 2003. And then shortly after that, I had a series of radiation treatments on my eyes trying to stop the inflammation but they didn't help me so this disease went on for quite a few years and I discovered early 2009 that they were stable enough for me to have surgery

38:50 and the surgery is extremely invasive. It's called an orbital decompression, and my ENT and my eye surgeon who is a plastic surgeon orbit specialist went in and what they have to do is they cut little slits at the outer corner of each eye remove bone if the temple area they water drill it to scale it down put it back and that way my eyes fall back to a more normal position. It's very invasive surgery but luckily the eyes heal very quickly so I put my eyes back in a normal position, so they didn't bulge and protrude and scare small children but then i required five additional surgeries on my eyes so my sight was proper again. I had double vision, I had blurred vision

39:50 So I had all of these surgeries between 2009 and 2010. Can i interrupt here for a second you got your flow because what i want to impress on everybody listening is you're not giving a laundry list as well i went through this and i went through that and they seem to be unrelated within our world of continuum Annette had just cited that she had an autoimmune condition and we are going to tie this autoimmunity to the entire scope of lupus which has autoantibodies. And, were gonna tie it back to Lyme and its entire constellation of diseases and show that she had fulminating disease that was related to one singular thread

40:41 and that it affected all these systems. So, it's not just like okay and I had a thyroid problem and I had an eye problem and I had depression and I had allergies no! It was one thing under one enormous umbrella and they were all discernible because...I want to emphasize something Annette graduated high school Can that help me out here were you the candy striper did you work as a nurse's aide. I was a candy stripe and a candy striper and i build myself is just a farm boy i went to college twice never graduated i have no degrees, and yet we were able to

41:24 destroy the entire myth of mainstream and alternative medicine by showing this continuum, that all of these conditions were related possibly to one cause. That one cause—and you know we have stated earlier in this interview was a military weapon and that it manifested itself in multiple ways, yet everybody within the medical world alternative or mainstream they will look at each separate incident as if they were completely unrelated. So go ahead Annette. What was it that your ENT really brought to the table? That really like was the aha moment for you guys and connected the research

42:09 And that was the testing. So take it up there, Annette where he did the testing for auto antibodies? Well one of the first symptoms I had was when i started off with antidepressants and started getting really bad dry mouth and I talked to my doctor she didn't know what's going on. I went to the dentist to see if they could help me everybody was pretty much like well you just have dry mouth deal with it But it kept getting worse, it kept changing and it was really affecting my quality of life. I had trouble eating certain foods. I was creating a lot of mucus in my mouth even though my mouth was dry, I had a lot of mucus

42:54 So I contacted my former ENT and he's not covered under my insurance. And, He is so kind and caring still in the Bay Area i'm in Sacramento so it's like a hour-and-a-half drive to get to him. He said Annette, he said I will see you for free which is just unheard of So I went to see him back on August 3rd and he didn't really have any answers for me. He did a complete ENT exam endoscopically, checking my throat, checking my sinus passages for polyps and you know the whole gamut of an ENT exam. And he said, I don't really have any answers for you but he said has anyone ever mentioned to use Sjogren's?

43:44 And Sjogren's disease is another autoimmune disease, and one of its main symptoms is dry mouth. So he sent me back to my primary care doctor with a list of blood tests to do. It was the Sjogren test that does several anti-nuclear antibody testing for quite a few different autoimmune diseases and the one that showed up was lupus A value of 10 is definitive. My value was 28, really extreme case of lupus and that's when we started our research into what lupus was and it affects everybody differently and it can affect all organ systems. And I can explain that too keep going Annette, I can explain everything go ahead So gave me a starting point on you what was wrong but

44:46 They send you to a rheumatologist if you have lupus. So it's put under the umbrella of rheumatology, which is joints and arthritis right? Right And everybody that is in the Lyme world will understand the meaning of that instantaneously because the CDC has committed a crime in defining Lyme as just Borrelia and just a swollen knee. They're calling it lupus, they're calling MS. They're calling Alzheimer's or calling fibromyalgia and all of these are emerging diseases none of these diseases existed in my grandparents day and during all our research we discovered the connection to Lyme disease once you hear Lyme and start researching Lyme You find YouTube after YouTube

45:45 we found Dr. Alan McDonald, YouTube is just full of videos about Lyme disease. The stellar ones are Lida Matman the world's foremost expert on spirochetes but then there's a whole bunch of people in the veterinary community because literally the vets are coming down with Lyme and they're scared and if I said the word scared to death it's like yeah...and they're even dying from it so if I can just interject here at a moment Annette One of the things that set us off was And that was diagnosed clinically with anti-DNA antibodies. And I go, how the hell can that be? So we started looking at it and what i want to offer you Greg and your listeners is if anybody needs supporting material of course I did a YouTube on this called Revolution but if you need it in print if you need citations

46:45 I will provide them to anybody that asks but we found the actual smoking gun clinical evidence that number one, the antidepressants and anti-anxieties were immunosuppressant. That means she was smoldering with this disease for who knows how long? She had always had it but it never manifested physically And then you come up to the fact that it was an autoimmune condition, and anti-DNA antibody. And we have to destroy these myths because you can't be immune to your own DNA. So when you find out that is set in stone, it's like then what DNA has this antibody been formed too?

47:34 And that's a very pregnant question because we are being injected with vaccines that have free-form DNA and RNA from countless organisms. It can't be filtered out, it will always be in there so were the antibodies from a vaccine or were they provoked by a tick bite and all the sequelae that happens from that? You can't be immune to your own DNA and one of the reasons is because these antibodies can't get into your own cells. So if they can't get into your own cells, then how could you call it autoimmunity?

48:17 because the antibodies would have to grab onto something and invite white blood cells or even red blood cells, because they're voracious to destroy it. And so where is this destruction happening and why? Well this is the amazing part is when we went looking at lupus The first place that I went to was my pathophysiology book by Wilson & Price that takes us all the way back to 2008 that was the catalyst for me understanding serum sickness. So this very book that started my media career 10 years ago brought us full circle from lupus to Lyme and it showed us that the process of destruction in autoimmunity

49:09 is exactly what a serum sickness. They're circulating immune complexes and you know I'm using big language let's break it down, it would be an antigen which means against life something that doesn't belong in your body and antibody which is something that is created by your body to bind to that so that it can be broken down and excreted Well, they're not breaking down. They're actually sticking on to cells and then the body comes by and goes, ooh look at that mess I better burn that out because the body has only one trick And it's the burst oxygen itself So when it bursts oxygen at this thing that says you don't belong here You can have collateral damage and so they need get tissue damage So a lot of people with lupus have lupus nephritis

50:02 Well, that's caused because you've got these circulating immune complexes embedded in your kidney tubules. Your immune system goes hey that doesn't belong there and it starts just shooting at random and next thing you know your kidneys are destroyed so we have just right now destroyed a bunch of myths but this is how we deconstructed the connection with lupus and Lyme from my pathophysiology book it says Of the 11 things that you can tell whether or not you got Lyme, that it is an immunological disorder. A positive lupus erythematosus L-E cell test a positive anti DNA test and anti SM tests Or here we go! A false positive serological tests for syphilis

51:00 That single sentence is what put us on the road. Bear in mind, we're talking about lupus and that was clinically diagnosed as having anti-DNA antibodies so she met the criteria they were calling it lupus but if you can get a false test for syphilis What is syphilis? It's aspirotate. What is Borrelia? Falsely labeled as Lyme because Lyme can be like 11 different things Borrelia is a spirochetes. That put us on the trail and then here we go! This is what Annette has been leading up to

51:40 They have diseases that have names. And when you look up those diseases, they go well this is the disease this is how it progresses but we don't know what causes it why because they're covering up for a World War II bio weapon It's a cover-up This is a military operation So when you have things and let me do laundry list where I'll do really quick I'll tell you what comes in tick spit This comes from, like we said earlier the filarial worms that are the taxis for Borrelia which are spirochetes. That's the same phyla of syphilis then you have Bartonella which is cat scratch fever that can get into your red blood cells and it eats collagen and it makes bile film

52:33 And what I call northern malaria of Babesia, because you know you got your tropical malaria and everybody knows that. You know you get the shivers and shakes and you gotta take quinine or something and then you never really get over it gracefully might die from it. That can infect red blood cells. If you take the magnesium that people are pushing like used car salesmen and you get night sweats at night You might have Babesia. So this stuff crosses over on so many thresholds and hold on because I'm making a point with this also in Tick Spit, you can have Ehrlichia which is a Rickettsia and a plasma that's a bacteria and that you can just get from eating hamburger that they sell in North America but came from South America and along with all the stuff... This is Tick Spit. It's indiscriminate

53:23 It's drawing out your blood and it's spitting into saliva along with Epstein Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, HHV6 and 8 which are called roseola. And God knows what else! The list can go on forever but the thing that is back in the day when they were labeling and trying to understand syphilis they called it The Great Imitator because the symptoms appeared to be like other diseases They're calling lime and only implicating the spirit keep a rally of the great imitator which of course and here we go again grab this is one of the biggest scoop in medicine and alternative medicine that's one of the biggest lies going because it's not just barely.

54:13 I just gave you a handful of diseases, literal diseases that come in with TXBIT and every one of them causes a discrete physiological disruption to the body. So everything they're saying well here's your disease here is the name and we don't know what causes it is because its cover up they know exactly what causes it and they don't want YOU to know And so Lyme is not the great imitator. Lyme is the great cover-up because they're labeling only Borrelia, ignoring everything else and all these modern diseases can be tracked back to not just a tick bite So here's the other big thing there's overwhelming evidence that

54:56 Anybody that has Lyme is now a carrier and you can transmit it by any body fluid. Any body fluid, it's a communicable disease and so the figures that you guys were talking about earlier where could be upwards of 900 thousand people a year showing up with this condition let just round it up to a million or more. It is a contagious military weapon Right and so I did want to talk about that a little bit because the conspiracy is that Lyme disease came from the bioweapons lab on Plum Island And I just wanted to talk about that a little more before we get in the second half of the show But Annette you sent me a little video regarding this connection between The plum island facility and lime in it they talked about a few things first

55:49 The initial case can be tracked to a tick bite in the woods right on the other side of the coast, just nine miles from the facility. So proximity is in play but 90% of the cases are from states in the New England area. The history of Plum Island bio warfare goes back to World War II and Project Paperclip there have been whistleblower scientists that have said yes we released some altered ticks into the wild And also apparently 60% of chronic Lyme patients are also infected with several strains of something called mycoplasma, including a strain of microplasma fermentans or something like that. But if you look that up

56:34 It's patented by the US Army apparently. So there are a lot of leads that suggest this isn't natural, but okay people might be listening to say well yeah I mean it looks like a lot of bad things can happen from a tick bite but what are you supposed to do? Ticks are out there! Can we make... is there anything else to say to make the case that this isn't just something that's in natural tick spit? That this is engineered? Let's take a look at just the spirochetes because that's what everybody focuses on. So they say, okay Borrelia is a spirochete just like syphilis and it's like really? Okay let's take a look at what's called the homology which means what is similar in the genetic makeup of syphilis compared to borrelia and so there are weird things going on in bacteria They can have a nucleus where typically the DNA is stored

57:32 And the nuclear DNA of Borrelia has only 46% homology with syphilis. So it's not even halfway like it! Okay, that brings up a red flag to begin with but the thing that puts it over the edge is this crazy critter has three membranes Basically, I look at it as a blade of armor. So if i was going to create a bug in the laboratory, I would make into one tough little son of a gun and so its got three membranes protecting this and then inside are plasmids. Those are circular DNAs and those are highly infectious

58:14 And those things have 90% of their genetic makeup that is comparable to no other life form on the planet. And so a lot of the work that I do, Greg is synthesis. And so without being able to say oh yeah and there's a patent for this tracing all the way back to Plum Island where they made these plasmids you know some smoking gun like that by inference when you have something so completely foreign so completely unknown that 90% of it doesn't even match

58:54 Any no life form on the planet that just screams to me of laboratory created bug and then before midnight tonight if you order now you also get. Fungal antigens that are presented on the outer surface protein so the line people know them as OSP. Ask a ask be asked what is a Spirochete, so it's not technically a bacteria. It's lumped in with bacteria But if its own phyla what the heck is that doing with fungal antigens on its surface? That to me speaks of like the most bristling armed Bioweapon that anybody could create in their wildest imagination another large problem listening to dr. McDonald

59:48 There are over a hundred varieties of Borrelia and it's a worldwide health problem. Because it is communicable, take the tick out of the equation if you kiss a pretty girl, if you have sex, if you get a blood transfusion, if somebody sneezes on ya sweats on ya whatever... You can get Lyme! Yeah Dr. McDonald I've watched numerous of his lectures and he has one in the UK because in the UK there are health clinics and people go to these clinics, and there are signs in the window saying if you're here for a Lyme diagnosis go elsewhere. We do not know enough about the disease to assist you

1:00:40 And let's destroy that because I'm a farm boy and Annette is a high school graduate, and look at what we've done. And you're telling me a doctor—that's their chosen profession—they've got all of the power of science behind them and they're pushing people away? That means they're covering up for a bioweapon that they do not want exposed! Right, that's something that comes up a lot for me too is I ask a lot of guests like hey. If you know this how can we say the system is ignorant? There's just no way and it's kind of across the board with GMOs glyphosate all kinds of issues It's like if these researchers are able to put it together You think Monsanto doesn't know they're ignorant of what's going on mean We get exactly what they want us to have That's the same with the school system. It doesn't just suck

1:01:30 because nobody has good ideas. It sucks because they want it to suck." And the only other thing I wanted to say is with Annette's story, that component that they refused to give the test — they didn't want to give the test — that comes up time and time again. Annette you recommended...I watched this documentary about Lyme victims called Under Our Skin. It is free on Amazon Prime and that seems to be a part of most of these victims' stories. Doctors don't want to give the test, or they tell people that they're crazy or that they're faking for attention and it's just deny-deny-deny! And so I don't know if a government lab is responsible in the end but the medical system sure acts like its got something to hide here why not just test and diagnose like anything else? Clearly there's some reason they don't want us to look at Lyme

1:02:21 Well, I was pushed away from getting additional doctors to help me. I was in the Sutter system here in California and that's what my insurance covered and they wanted to send me to a rheumatologist there was only one rheumatologist in this other system accepting new patients he is 71 years old and he would not accept me as a patient I mentioned the line and so my doctor said well let me send you to an infectious disease doctor. None of the doctors would accept me as a patient because they didn't know enough about lime to help me you need a lime literate doctor, and i was given a list of those in there also far away it's just too far away to go

1:03:10 And they're being attacked as well according to this documentary and it's coming from the insurance companies because the insurance companies control which doctors we see. So if they quarantine away, Lime literate doctors who are like hey we need a treat this instead i go with doctors who say oh its either one of these other things that's gonna be very expensive lifelong treatments. That's what the doctors in big pharma wants but Insurance companies they want these doctors to say oh don't worry about it because the cheaper the doctor The more likely they're gonna be in that insurance network, and that's a dirty trick. Thank capitalism for that man so

1:03:50 We really did cover just a great deal of things today surrounding Lyme, autoimmune issues antidepressants antibiotics antioxidants. Is there any other information to throw out there for people to kind of bring it all full circle and take us home? There's so much more to talk about it's going to need another show we didn't even get into the Infectious Disease Society of America and all of the harm they've done. There was 14 doctors on a panel that made the rules for treatment of Lyme disease. They met one time and kind of disbanded, but they found that nine of them are making money off of the Lyme issue. They're working for the insurance agencies to prevent long-term treatment

1:04:45 in the documentary Under Our Skin, it takes three years of doxycycline treatment with a PICC line in place to get any result. If you watch the documentary those couple of people they were on those antibiotics for three years before they started feeling better and the insurance companies dropped them because they said that 10-15 day course should be enough when they know that it takes over a year to treat tuberculosis, but they're trying to limit treatment for Lyme disease. And they're making money in the process by working for the insurance companies. There used to be a law where researchers shared their information and there was 1980 law that went into effect where they no longer had to share their information so these researchers were making money off of

1:05:45 research and they weren't sharing it with other researchers. Right, I think that was when they decided you could patent organisms? It was all in academia wasn't it Annette? Yes Like a big research institution at college So they were withholding their research findings so they could make money off of it And patent things like treatment for Lyme Its just so multi-faceted I've often wondered after 9 11 what's the next big thing The next big thing was already in place and I think it's Lyme disease. Excellent, so let me give a shout out to the ladies that came up with the website Lyme Crime C-R-Y-M-E and they can give you the entire social political background on that. I'm just going to echo what Annette said is that we are facing the greatest biological undeclared war

1:06:42 that I've ever seen, because iIve been at this since the year 2000. I've never seen anything like this but we have unmasked it and if anybody wants to make history by helping us find a solution to that contact us. Boom! And then we provided you with links to all these videos and various websites that you can include in the show notes yes I will and if we left anything out let us know when we will provide them Perfect and patrick do remind the people just real quick about your actual work your website in your books. Just so they can maybe get up to speed there even able to jump in and start helping you cuz you need this context,

1:07:26 The website is vaccinefraud.com, it has all the links of what you need to do to find my previous books that ICD-999 is where this all started in 2008 and here we are 10 years later going back to the same source material and saying hey we're back to serum sickness again And so that is the best primer book, because everybody asks well what book should I read? ICD-999 will bring you up to speed. There's a link for my books on the website and there is a bunch of other stuff out there that will blow your mind because the world is not what you were told it was

1:08:07 Amen well said cheers to that and yes so many things we left on the table we didn't even talk about. Our water system also known as fifty years of piss water and there's there's so much there is well so We'll have to do this again, but very cool. Big thanks to both of you! I know it's a marathon session around here but Annette, I wish you the best with your health and wellness Patrick, you're doing great stuff The Little Red Hens all you guys keep it up It does mean a lot and I think people are going to really appreciate it so take care out there Thank You If anybody has any questions add in the comments and we'll be glad to respond

1:08:54 Sweet Umbrella Academy chaos, dear people. What did you think of that? Patrick Jordan and Annette the Little Red Hen! Wow. Personally I think it's nice to get into a medical show that isn't just about vaccines or cancer. I know those things are referenced and it is all in the soup but this one's a little off the beaten path It's one of those that I call... A Same But Different One of my favorite kind of shows And of course I'm not really equipped to verify a lot of these claims, despite the elevated pedestal some listeners might put me on. I'm just a guy! I ask some alright questions and i know i don't trust the medical system. I try to keep as much distance from it as i can but that's it. It's unfortunate that the CDC, the FDA, the AMA all these corporations can't be trusted

1:09:48 because their credibility has been completely compromised if they even ever had any to begin with. So we have to go to a self-described farm boy for the answers! I don't know if he's 100% right, but I know he cares and his interest is in helping people and getting to the truth He's not trying to make money off anyone's illness like The Machine does... I mean he said some things that really surprised me definitely on The Plus Show when we got into antioxidants But I feel that he's good intentioned and what he says makes intuitive sense to me. but i don't know how much my intuition is really worth even we already know to never take one person's word for it but i hope you heard a few things that make you want to dig even deeper on your own and if you liked this one as much as i would suspect

1:10:40 I'm excited about getting patrick back on to talk about some of those threads we left hanging like how the elite are protecting themselves which he said is detailed and complex. And therefore juicy as far as i'm concerned no patrick considers a lot of what, we talked about today to be revolutionary in paradigm shifting and he's arrived at these conclusions not only because he's been looking at this work for many years and has written several books but the revelations came through Annette and her experiences so as Patrick says we really do have her to thank. I find it all fascinating, and as i said i'm obviously skeptical of the medical machine surprise surprise conspiracy host doesn't trust authority

1:11:29 I don't know exactly how far back the nefariousness of it goes but patrick is blown my mind more than a few times with his boldness in that regard, hands very dark as true. It's hard to reach level of darkness that surprises me anymore i've heard at all i don't put anything past big farm anymore i would say watching that documentary under our skin is a good follow up it is on amazon prime for free It's one of those conspiracy light type of documentaries where people like us might see it and might be much more equipped to consider the wider and deeper implications of what these people are saying, but you can still watch it with your conventional friends and family.

1:12:11 But let me know what you think. As always, I'm making my guests free Lifetime Plus members! The plus member comments are always where the best THC conversations seem to be had and i'll encourage them to hop in there if they can to talk to you guys. Recently we've had a lot of guests following up on their shows in the comments actually. I think that's phenomenal. I like to see that follow-up from THC episodes when it happens And speaking of Plus, the recent appearance I had on Sam Tripoli's Conspiracies Now which films in the legendary Comedy Store basement is out now for his Patreon subscribers and he was kind enough to let me offer it up to Plus members too. So it IS a video but if you want to see ME getting interviewed in probably my favorite building on the planet... It's there for ya! Thanks to everyone who came out

1:13:06 I think we might have been one of the very few shows that was free to attend and you left with a joint edible. That was a little something special to me but i love doing that interview big thanks to sam for having me And as for the plus part of today's show with Patrick and Annette, we talked about antibiotics and the cell wall of bacteria. The root of autoimmune issues, inflammation immunity and disease antioxidants like I mentioned. The multi-generational effects of Lyme trying to keep the infections dormant and homeopathy. I think there is a little bit more to homeopathy than we are told sometimes

1:13:50 But I just really enjoyed it. I like Patrick's tone and sense of humor, and know he is not afraid to drop an F-bomb when F bombs must be dropped! That said join me for a joint session on the 25th this month just a few days, 7pm Pacific time. And i'll talk to you then. For now...I've done my part Your move Plum Island perpetrators humanity infectors and tick spit spirochetes your fucking move Have a drink and a smoke, listen to the cast We shine a shiny spotlight Put criminals on blast The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance

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