Olav Phillips | UFOs, Geoengineering, Depopulation, & Secret Space Programs

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Here we go, Ironside Chatters. Welcome to the party! Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke the only way I know how from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and today we're popping open this sweet sweet Pandora's box of conspiracy goodness by looking at a lot of the secret programs that have been going on over the last few decades why they've happened what's the connection and what do we know about them?

00:53 Things like geoengineering, chemtrails, the construction of a vast network of underground bases and high-tech tube trains, depopulation, the Georgia Guidestones Agenda 21 Raven Rock UFOs secret space programs and more. And that's just in the first hour as you folks know each episode has an extended second hour and this one is no different if you enjoy it want to hear more about these Topics and other areas of interest like the prospect of space Nazis definitely support the show for $5 a month or $60 a year by joining THC plus at the higher side chats plus.com And I'll support you with an extra hour each show

01:29 But it's been a while since we've done an episode that focused on the mainstream conspiracy world and maybe we've been a little bit overdue. So let's dive straight into the madness, no time to waste! Thanks everyone for listening and supporting this wild ride around the fringe Keep your seat backs and tray tables in the upright locked position because were taking off with my good friend and conspiracy guru Olaf Phillips When I find myself in times of trouble, Mr. Carl Wood comes to me speaking words of wisdom THC! THC! THC! THC! THC! Speaking words of wisdom THC

02:16 Alright people, if you ask me the biggest conspiratorial can of worms is the topic of secret technologies that have been hidden from the masses and you don't have to travel very far down that road before you encounter stories of reverse engineering UFOs, secret underground facilities moon bases Mars bases covert packs with the greys geoengineering breakaway civilizations in the whole grab bag conspiracy goodness And I'm sure we'll touch on all those things as we try to figure out just how far some of these hidden technologies and covert projects have gone, where they came from and what ends are these mysterious men working towards. And I can think a no better guest to give us the good word than my main man Olaf Phillips founder of the anomalies network lifelong space technology enthusiast in a grade A conspiracy researcher hot off the presses with a great new book entitled The Secret Space Age

03:03 Secret Space Programs, Breakaway Civilizations Nazi UFOs SDI and Alternative 3. Here he is the man who knows the plan Olaf Phillips How the hell are you? Doing alright how are you I'm great man never better It is always a pleasure getting into this stuff with you I really loved the book it expands on so many awesome areas where you find at least a couple new pieces of information or connections I hadn't heard before So I think this is gonna be a pretty good time Before we really get into the book I have been really anxious to ask you about your trip to the East Settie Ranch. We had James Gilliland on the show a while back talking about the strange UFO sightings they have up there and, I'm actually planning a trip to go up in October and...I figured that'd be my best chance to see something weird in the sky y'know? Cause I'm dying to do that but how did it go for you man?"

03:53 That is a very strange place. That's a very bizarre place, I gotta tell you. Yeah? Yeah it's um... You know i'm nuts and bolts kind of conspiracy nut so for me when I see weird stuff streaking across the sky You know the first thing I'm doing is figuring out, is it human? I guess that's the premise of the book. Right! But...I saw things up there that I am pretty convinced were exotic aircraft. Okay. Um..I saw a few things up there that I don't know what it was. I'm fairly certain that I saw an Aurora Oh right on, that'd be cool

04:41 Yeah, and the one thing that really boggles my mind that I haven't well there are two things have boggled my mind when i was up there. That a really can't explain is it there's this weird light that shows up above the tree line on the mountain in mount adams very high things like fourteen thousand feet so you're talking ten eleven thousand feet of theirs oh oh why are very bright light and im fourteen miles away Right and it was the size of maybe a penny to me and it would just be there and then it would close and open and close. I don't know what that was yeah, that is great and whats this stuff i saw on facebook about a possible bigfoot sighting up there too?

05:35 So I'm sitting, it's the afternoon and one thing that you have to prepare for when you go up there is during the day there's not a whole lot to do. You pretty much just hang out all the fun happens at night. Yeah and i'm sitting at a table with Larry Overman the guy from Ghost Mine The Haunted Miner And um...I'm sitting there with him and I'm checking my email on my phone And that's another weird thing about that place, but I'll get to it in a minute. I'm checking my email on my phone and he starts nudging me. He says look at that! Look at that! I said Larry leave me alone. I'm looking at my email so no no look at this and he starts elbowing me and finally i look up there is an ice field that sits about 45 degree angle on the side of the mountain again 14 miles away and its good 12000 feet near

06:34 Right. So when you're looking at it, trees are awful small and basically I finally found what he was looking at and basically what it was two black shapes they were lines like people and there are staggered a couple inches apart one is higher one is lower and they're basically going up the side of the mountain. Whoa! Yeah and at that distance I couldn't see a person Right because you know if you were hiking up the mountain, you look like a little dot. Yeah like nothing from that far away But this was maybe a quarter of an inch high I mean it was clear i could actually see them compressing like they were walking

07:24 Whoa man that is awesome i gotta get up there that just sounds too crazy you're getting the whole. Plethora of the whole pandora's box of things you wanna see in the woods and your seeing it all right there i mean they should be charging a hefty fee for that i mean thats better than universal studios. It is, I mean we watched her for 45 minutes while these two little lines moved up the side of the mountain And they finally got to a crest. I think there's a depression behind it, there is like a little lip before you start the final ascent toward the peak and when they got there i could actually see them standing. I could see them against the cliff behind them. Man! Yeah and we were trying to do some napkin math and have to be honest

08:17 I'm not the greatest mathematician in the world. I was a social sciences major, liberal arts yay. At least you got to major in something. You gotta major in something and anthro seemed to fit the bill at that time but um...you know I was trying to do some napkin math to figure out how big they were and Larry and I came to the conclusion we think they were maybe 8-10 feet tall Whoa yeah, and so you know to watch two things that are eight to ten feet tall hike up the side of a snowfield That's 4545 degree angle. You know that's at 14 miles to see it There's the you know maybe 1 quarter of an inch high that's pretty damn impressive Yeah It was a size of trees

09:05 Like little schmantrix. Yeah, that is so cool! Honestly I couldn't tell you if it was Bigfoot or not the only thing i can come up with his big foot yeah because there wasn't a person Crazy man, that's interesting. Did you see more than just that one light in the sky? Did you see other things you would probably consider them to be crafts you can identify because if people don't know You have a huge interest in those type of high-tech aircrafts or experimental aircraft So if you say you saw something that you couldn't explain I mean that to me has more clout than the average person

09:43 I saw some things that i couldn't explain. Their behavior was odd, it kind of fell this way... Things we saw flying out of the southeast toward the north-northwest they tended to be what I would classify as experimental aircraft or exotic aircraft is probably more accurate except for the Aurora. What I think was an Aurora that went east to west Now the stuff that came in from the west or the came in from north or came straight from east, that stuff behaved a little more interestingly. They were making a lot of weird turns and it was this weird behavior. It's like if a pilot was flying that you'd have to wonder if they were on something

10:35 As they were weaving and doing zigzags and all kinds of strange stuff. And, you know if I was a pilot maybe for fun i'd do that stuff but at the altitude we're talking about you know in the speed that we're talking about it would be very tough to control the aircraft yeah but i definitely saw um the aurora uh and that was odd And we saw a set of aircraft that were roughly, it was very hard to tell because they were very high. And even using binoculars it was very difficult to determine their shape but they looked kind of like stars that would fade in and fade out. Yeah and uh... We were able to illuminate on I think six separate occasions

11:27 we were able to actually illuminate the aircraft. And what's weird is that when we illuminated the aircraft, right? When you hit it with a light, you expect... The light to kind of bounce off of it and reflect That's not what happened! When we illuminated it What it did was it absorbed it. Yeah and when it absorbed the light It wrapped around the fuselage Weird. So you could kind of tell in that second, you could see it diffuse around the fuselage and after that would happen the light would turn off The kinda light we could see which was fading in and fading out It would actually shut off And it would just be blacker than black I mean think of the most darkest black thing you can and it was blacker than that It's actually a blacker than the sky

12:25 Wow that's interesting and then it just took off is like bam gone jesus man god i would love to see some stuff like that now me the more site to go up there. What what i think what i think was happening is a type of aircraft that is a kind of triangular wedge shape in what it has as it has supposedly has a kinda, can i camera something that looks ahead as its flying in a projects the starfield below it And if you see it fly at lower altitude, you'll see basically this kind of shape and like a moving star field. Because it's projecting the star field right? It will shimmer a little bit and I think that is what we were seeing. I think the fading was actually capturing the stars above it and projecting on them on the belly of the aircraft. Whoa man! And I think when we illuminated

13:23 It set off something inside the aircraft and the guy said, you know the pilot Man woman whatever the pilot was like, oh something can see me That's not good and flick the switch and turn it off. And then I'm just gonna leave and just took off Wow six separate times we did that Wow Now a lot of people would identify that as a UFO You know But in our case, I think both Larry Larry and I and some others you know We came to the conclusion that they were aircraft but they had to be at about 70 or 70,000 feet plus. That's still cool I mean and a part of me is so sad that i missed the UFO glory days because now I hardly ever even look at UFO videos because CGI and conventional crafts and drones are just so far advanced that shit could be anything you know it just doesn't carry the same weight as a weird siding would in the 40s or 50s

14:19 Well, even in the 80s. I mean when i was a kid In the 80's I uh...I was outside my parents house and actually saw what looked astonishingly like a um...Wazara Sportster hanging in the sky at about 25 thousand feet. Huh! I mean it had the wave guide,the whole thing It just hung there Damn Yeah and then when i was in college,i went to Davis UC Davis And the handyman for our apartment complex, he was a bit of a UFO nut and he lived in Dixon which is the next town down from us. You would go through Dixon to get to Davis

15:01 And he, they had a mass UFO sighting the night before and they like the entire police force of Dixon. It's not a huge town but the entire police force had gotten woken up and they were all out there chasing a cigar shaped UFO that was running parallel to these train tracks. And so he gave me the article is like you should go check it out So my girlfriend and I, who's my wife now. My girlfriend and i got in the car, no cameras, no camcorders

15:38 No, nothing because you know she kept saying well don't you want to bring a camera or something so now I'm not gonna see anything right yeah and So we go down to down the road and we parked in a cornfield Great place to park right mm-hmm. We parked in a corn it's like a bad science fiction movie Yeah It's like signs right we parked on a corn field And we were sitting there for a little while and then these lights started to move in the sky and we thought they were satellites at first but they were It was like a dogfight. The only way I could describe it, they were doing circles around each other making triangles and doing high speed 90 degree turns and all kinds of strange stuff and then two of them came down and there are these two radio masks that are probably

16:24 I don't know, 15 miles apart. 10-15 miles apart and they were flying between the radio mass and they would go down to one end of roll over come back roll over go down rollover come back rollover And when they rolled over you could see that there were triangular shaped Wow yeah so i mean You know this sightings are out there you just have to go somewhere where you can see one And apparently Mount Adams is it. Right, I mean you're not the only one to say that it seems like a definite hotbed so...I am psyched and who knows what these things are? For the people at home who might not be as familiar your position is that most of these crafts are human which is not really that controversial of a stance to take but a lot of people think we have this technology today

17:11 but that it did come from reverse-engineered crafts like the crash at Roswell or a secret deal with the Greys for technology in exchange for permission to carry out abductions. And I'm curious what you think about that, are these technological advancements just the product of human ingenuity? That seems futuristic because they've been hidden from us or could there have been an alien component at some point that propelled us forward?" Well, that's hard to say. I mean that is a lot of speculation because it is possible. It is possible that something crashed at Roswell or crashed at Kingman or you know a couple other places where stuff has crashed. Ruben Uriarte did a great book with Noe Torres where the Mexican Roswell UFO crash and they carried across the border

17:59 So it's possible that something crashed and we back-engineered it. And then you're going to get into the whole Bob Lazar thing, and I've been a strong supporter of Lazar You know, since he came out. I mean, I was very young when Lazar came out but you know since the first time i read his story and I talked to him the guy...I will tell you I sat across his desk from him that man is absolutely telling me the truth that he is absolutely telling you what he saw or what he believes he saw so it is possible that you have to remember those are all the stuff comes from you know conservatively there fifty years ahead of us more realistically their hundred years ahead of us and development.

18:45 Yeah man, and I know on some forums that you take a little bit of flack for playing down the alien angle and saying most of this is human technology or taking that position but... ...I mean i think the idea we have moon bases and mars bases and troop transports and massive starfleet ships going out there in secret. That's just as fascinating! Well you know i think we do ourselves a disservice by constantly saying okay well everything's just aliens and not say that salience but it's alien right i mean we have some amazing engineers out there in your shirt is the community. You know where if you think its aliens are on this side and if you don't hear on that side,

19:27 You know i've seen stuff that i think was probably alien i think you know maybe ten what the what hynek and valley of all is said it was like ten or fifteen percent. I mean that's crazy if its even one percent in a van it only happened one time i mean thats, That's what I say, if it's 1% we got a problem. Right so it's like you know it's getting kind of nitpicky in the community of ufology arguing because You know your not arguing 0%, So were really talking about a real marginal thing but yet some people get real upset It's like a religion to them its like this stuff can't be human it must be alien

20:04 The thing that gets me though is that I do firmly believe that Solar Warden is out there. And if we have moon bases and Mars bases and space fleets, my hypothesis for why we have moon bases and Mars bases is one thing but it doesn't explain necessarily a space fleet If you've got stuff floating around up there like Solar Warden You know when we started to see the evidence of solar warden even before mckinnon with a whole circle thing that you know what do you believe sir but were not one of the components of serpa was this idea that we had it we had no extra how should i put.

20:46 What is the extraterrestrial right there off the planet and have stellar ships of world military astronauts exactly. And then you know you look at ben rich who's running a discount works, no he's made a series very interesting statements like stuff like not only do i have the technology to take it home but i got the contract so i think you said that account tech Yeah what's that about? What's that about right, that's DARPA producing Solar Warden. And then you get these like every time you do a show somebody calls in with something interesting One time I was doing the show and at the very end of the show in the last 10 minutes of the show guy calls an old guy calls from Washington State

21:36 Right and he's talking about this project that you worked on called space warden which was a hunter killer satellite sdi system. And he worked on this in the early seventies, no it was down near la somewhere and they had federal agents protecting them at. You know it was very hush hush and secret and this is ten years before reagan came out with star wars Yeah, and he said it was operationalized by the time Reagan ever came up with the idea. Man, yeah it's weird and I love digging into this stuff to see how far it goes but let's kind of get into your book and do that. We've made mention of Alternative 3 before but give us the cliff notes again because we're going to use the Alternative 1-2-3 model to walk through some of these secret programs and see what maybe they could be for and how far they've gone so what was Alternative 3 for those who missed that before? So Alternative 3 at its most basic

22:36 Was a mockumentary of the tv show there was a tv show it was assigned to and they decided for the final episode. That they were gonna air on april first as an april fools joke that would do something that was like war in the world basic scary crap out everybody, And basically they made a show that, well I'll get to that in a second. So they were supposed to show it on April 1st but they had a strike, St. Glenn, they had a strike scheduling conflicts, scheduling problems and they ended up showing i think in like June and when they showed it just went crazy! The phones lit up and everybody was agitated and basically what the premise of this show was is that they started out looking at something called the brain drain

23:27 In the 1970s, oh it was made in 77. In the 70's a lot of scientists and technicians were leaving England because they could go to Germany and France and other places and make more money so they were trying to ostensibly look at this problem and what they actually discovered is that a bunch of these people are just straight disappearing right? And then they decide well why are they disappearing? And what it came back as is that there was a top secret meeting in the late 50's In the late 50s, they determined that we were going to suffer some sort of a catastrophic climate change. In the show they talk about you know, the things you'd expect like drought and high temperatures but at the end of it they kind of lean toward this idea that we're going back into an ice age And so the planners came up with this idea That they would try to solve the problem

24:26 And alternative – they came up with three options. Alternative one was to blow a hole in the upper atmosphere using nuclear weapon to vent the greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide into space. Alternative two and that failed. Alternative two was to build bunkers that people could live in. It's not really economically feasible so three was actually skip town and by way of the moon go to mars. And a setup shop on mars into wait for you know whatever climate damage was done to the earth to fix itself in the come home so when you look at it as a structure right,

25:07 You can't deny that the TV show is fake. The music was done by Brian Eno, he's a great electronic ambient electronic musician and the guy who wrote it David Ambrose He's a very famous writer Christopher Miles the guy who directed it and filmed it became a very famous director in England You know i mean the people shane reimer who is the astronaut. Who's a kind of buzz aldrin can't astronaut you know he had been in a tv show called ufo and a bunch of others in that time period he kinda bounced around, is there archetype american and these these kinda british tv shows late seventies early eighties so you can deny this show is fake but if you look at it structurally actually very nicely alliance to a series of things that actually happened

25:59 Exactly because they were just pulling a prank but it seems like there are some indications that they might have stumbled upon a real plan or something sensitive to the higher ups. Because didn't even one of them, didn't they have their alternative three material or film stolen after the airing at some point? So Christopher Miles who filmed it says that although they faked all thing and used a lot of stock photography, that he believes at this point that they came frighteningly close to something real. The guy that you're talking about is Leslie Watkins who actually did the book treatment and he after writing the book started to be contacted by people and he was convinced... I actually reproduced the letter in the book but he was convinced it was actually real He had set out to write a second book

26:50 arguing that alternative three was real but in the process of moving from england australia to new zealand somebody went into his car container install everything. And so after that he basically dropped off the face of your outside of one letter that i was able to find i can find a way to contact him interesting i'd love to talk to ya So I mean back then it might not have been as obvious but today i'm gonna talk about your books about it but as we go through the alternatives in a lot of these programs are pretty obvious to anyone who's in the alternative news community now i mean alternative one blasting holes and the atmosphere they did they try to do that with something called project argus right. Right it's a project hard tack argues and basically that

27:42 was a nuclear weapons test and ostensibly they were trying to prove something called the Coriolis effect. And this guy had hypothesized that if you set off a nuclear weapon at high altitude, you could create an artificial Van Allen radiation belt. They actually succeeded in doing that but that program – that project actually had a massive fleet associated with it They organized it in maybe a third to half the time or a third of the time that it normally took. So, normally it took like anywhere from one to two years to plan a nuclear test they did this and six months and six months they were launching the missile. And so apparently you know if its everything is the highest nuclear tests ever

28:29 or carried out and one of the interesting things about it is that at the time I think it was time or newsweek one of the big news operations said, did he was probably the most important scientific test ever carried out. That being said they classified into like nineteen eighty two so they carry it out like late fifties and a classified until nineteen eighty to Wow. So they were successful in creating a fake Van Allen radiation belt, but as far as one of their other goals which was tearing that hole blasting that hole in the upper atmosphere to release CO2 gases I mean that part was not successful right?

29:11 Correct. So you think Project Argus in the book, you kind of say that it might have been a precursor to the chemtrails of today? Like that might be their second attempt at doing the same thing trying to manage the changing climate right? Right so in the event that Argus failed they needed a backup and I argue The geo engineering and chemtrails are that backup i call it alternative one point five. Yeah man i mean that's a pretty controversial thing to say because people are gonna think you're an agent of the new world order coming on here in saying that chemtrails are good but i mean there is not standard good i'm just saying that's what they are yeah,

29:59 It's a desperate attempt to control the atmosphere. Yeah, and there might be some really negative side effects like Alzheimer's or things that you know I mean cancer rates who knows? We have so much poisonous stuff in our everyday life that who knows why people are getting sick and dying but there is some pretty compelling evidence for this theory that chemtrails are trying to do this maybe stave off the rising temperatures that comes out of the aftermath of 9-11, right? Right. So basically what happened was right after 9-11 happened they grounded everything and a lot of atmospheric scientists at that time said oh my god they've grounded everything we've got to run some tests because this is the only chance we'll ever have

30:52 No to get these measurements because we always have airplanes yeah very smart right so they go out and start floating balloons what they found was that over. The six days the ambient temperature of the earth increased by one point eight degrees wow in the overall Not only did the temperature increase, but the amount of light making it down to the surface exponentially increased. And so they came up with this buzzword for it called global dimming and so the idea is that by dumping this stuff in that upper atmosphere...and you have to remember this was a project started in the 60's right? By dumping stuff into the atmosphere they changed the reflectivity of the earth, the albedo of the earth and their kind of reflecting sunlight off into space

31:42 And it's never reaching the surface of the earth, which keeps the temperature artificially low. So they can try to control it by using geoengineering and the more you look at it, you start to see a lot of really interesting things coming out of it. You know there are series of patents that were filed by number people including Hughes Aircraft in 1990 they filed a patent for something they call the wellsbach stratospheric walls box seating for reduction of global warming and that pattern actually goes back to older patterns from nineteen sixty five in nineteen eighty eight so it's it's obviously a project thats been works for some time yeah that is crazy that they might have been

32:25 well aware of climate change. I mean, of course leading scientists and the elite they have information that we don't get sometimes ever and it only makes sense that they would be worried about this stuff decades before the mainstream And to think that is kind of their attempt to lower the temperature Is kinda crazy i don't hear that much but i agree with you the chemtrails don't seem like depopulation necessarily because they're just not controlled enough i mean the elite would probably be poisoning themselves and their own families. Right but on the end of the population thing right the deep population thing is actually very much more subversive

33:04 that if you want to look at depopulation, right? You look at the water supply. In the water supply there's actually and whether it comes where we extrude it however is getting in there. Carelessness or by design There's a large amount of birth control medications in their estrogen and what its doing as its lowering the birth rate so in the west the birth rate is plummeting But in the third world, the birth rate is increasing. So what that tells you is that while the West's birth rate in Europe and the United States and Canada are developed countries

33:44 that we're losing population and unable to sustain it. In fact, at this point every couple would have to produce something like 2.2 children to actually level out the birth rate. So what I think is happening is you're seeing an overall depopulation through the boiling-the-frog method in the West, but they're letting the population increase in the third world and developing countries because eventually they could use those as worker states. Yeah, and you write about that a little bit too. And it makes total sense I mean another pressure valve on having kids in the West is economics and debt. We're under so much stress that a lot of people don't even want to think about having one two three kids you know? Our parents grew up with families that are a lot of times eight to twelve kids! It's like no one's doing that anymore who can afford to do that right just having even a few kids is a massive change in your lifestyle

34:48 Yeah, you would know. But in the book you have a few lines about the International Monetary Fund and a lot of people in the conspiracy community talk about that I mean do you think one of their roles is monitoring this influx of populations and kind of trying to steer it in this direction using poverty as a weapon? I do, I do. You know Perkins and other people have exposed the IMF as an agent of change, so to speak. And what happens is you take a developing country and they're drowning in debt and the IMF comes in and says well we'll bail you out but here's the terms right? You've gotta sell all your mineral rights to fill-in-the blank mineral company. You have to buy weapons from these people and you have to cede control basically of your government to us

35:41 And so then they can enforce values whatever values they like whether it's the population or overpopulation or tag changes to the tax code or whatever they wanna do, the imf can kinda has a heavy hand that cuz i say look will just cut off the money. Right yeah it's a lot of power to have man those are the masters right there literally Literally and one thing I didn't want to point out that when we're looking at this whole thing, you know You had made a comment about you know that the elites Whatever. You want to call them that they would know ahead of time right? Yeah There's a guy named Roger Revelle and he worked for scripts And I think it was in like 1955 or 1958 He was actually doing his study on on phytoplankton and he determined at that time in the late 50s

36:33 The fight that the plankton and these organisms in the ocean were only going to be able to handle 10% of the carbon dioxide and other damaging gases that were being released even then. So if they can only handle 10 percent of them in the late 50s, where are we at today? Right yeah exactly no way to know leagues above leagues about that right and he published it I mean It's out there Right, and I mean i've interviewed guys like Guy McPherson who has a lot of compelling evidence. He seems to know what he's talking about. And I had Michael Rupert on just weeks before that and you know now he's committed suicide. He seen the writing on the wall right so there are those people out there still talking about it is just barely adopted in the mainstream everyone knows the term global warming but then it's just uh... It's just a buzzword doesn't seem to mean anything Well what's its change from global warming to climate change

37:29 And what's happened is that they've taken this field of study, that has its good points and it's bad points. And they've reduced it to a political argument. That I'm on this side of politics so I have to say the party line as global warming doesn't exist. You know whether there was a good saying that I heard once Whether the glass is half full or half empty, it's still dirty. So whether it's produced by us... It's a natural cycle or some combination. It doesn't matter, it still happening. Yeah that is exactly... Every time someone tries to get me in that argument I'm like it's just better to be cleaner who gives a shit about how bad it is exactly? How many years we have left what caused it let's just be cleaner like it's just kind of stupid to think that we should just trash the earth and if it's not going to kill us well then its fine to do

38:28 Yeah you know let's get rid of the AP EPA and have no nobody stopping us from dumping harmful chemicals into the ground to make us have all cancer all kinds of side effects i mean it is ridiculous just as human beings right i was a boy scout. We had this motto that you know you go in your leave it cleaner than you found it will were certainly not doing that right, More boy scouts well i don't know about that but we definitely need to step back for a minute so you know what whatever is causing this you know. We have a hand in trying to control it, you know, whether we've reached a tipping point or not. We have a hand in trying to make it better and if it's the cycle cycles come and go but they do come back right so you know we have to be ready yeah I agree with you man well said So getting back to the book a little bit from there There's The Alternative 2 plan which involves underground bases obviously If we can't stop the climate from changing on the surface The next thing to try would be massive underground facilities

39:29 And just like the ideas in phase one, I mean we have plenty of evidence to be able to say that governments have built huge underground bases that are generally hidden from the public. Right? Correct! You know you can look at Raven Rock...I mean they're everywhere Just do a search on continuity of government and you'll find mountains of this stuff and then you know you look at other things like the nordic seed vault right here is this vault of non genetically engineered seeds that sitting up in the arctic circle rain and i was shocked to find out what i was doing research it's not the only one. There are a number of these seat balls all over the world right little modern noah's arc,

40:14 Yeah basically and it's like if you think that the surface of the earth is going to become scoured a vegetation, sticking seeds in a vault is probably good idea. Yeah and if you don't there's no reason to do that right? That's my attitude but I love the conversations that have had in the past with people like Richard Sauter and also the stuff you have in the book about underground bases just super mysterious interesting to me that they could be something so crazy going on beneath our feet. I guess it's why like the hollow earth theory also, but you know obviously you can't fit everyone in these underground facilities and obviously the elite find the masses to be pretty expendable But i do like that You mentioned this number of 500 million people In this section because i do hear It a lot in The conspiracy community that The Elite want To get the population down to half A bill

41:06 And as you mentioned, it's kind of attached to Agenda 21 also. That's the number that those people throw out and the Georgia Guidestones which some people might not know about. Can you give us some of the details on the Georgia Guidestones because they're pretty awesome and it's a pretty big mystery from what I understand? What do we know about them? Well, there's a guy named Christiansen that showed up in this town in Georgia one day and he went to the bank and gave them a briefcase full of cash. And said I need you to help me build a monument. So they built the monument out of marble and it was enormous. It has these laws of nature and stuff like

41:54 What's all the tenants of the new world order right reduce the population a 500 million i got to do this from memory living so live in harmony with your something about what religion be controlled by reason. No bunch of other ones and they're actually translated into seven other languages and then there are these like celestial alignments Right really weird. It's kind of like a modern-day Stonehenge, but it is I did write down the languages I mean the message is written down in Hebrew Egyptian Russian cuneiform Spanish Greek Swahili Sanskrit Hindi Arabic and Chinese and That's just so weird And then there's a there's a message around the top I forget what it says

42:41 But it's written in Egyptian, Babylonian Greek and Sanskrit. Yeah and I mean some of the things i actually like uh... It's basically ten things and- I got right here What all nations rule internally resolving international disputes on a world court balance personal rights with social duties price truth beauty love seeking harmony with the infinite Be not a cancer on the earth, leave room for nature. Leave room for nature." Yeah and that's weird that they say that twice! And then there is actually... There is a key that they put as well and it gives you astronomical alignments. Channel through stone indicates celestial pole. Horizontal slot indicates annual travel of the sun. Sunbeam through capstone marks noon time throughout the year

43:29 And then it was built by RC Christiansen sponsors, a small group of Americans who seek the age of reason. Here's the interesting one. It says time capsule placed six feet below this spot on and it was never completed to be opened on and never completed. Yeah that is a weird aspect to it. It's a weird place I mean it's right off the road and its surrounded by roses and has like lawn And you just kinda show up and it's maintained and i guess part of the money that was left, was was left in perpetuity to maintain it but on the banker who actually knew who rc christian wise. No he refuses to tell anybody so strange and there is also a

44:18 Masonic time capsule at the Denver Airport, which of course people think is Probably got a huge underground base there right I know we've talked about that one before and we kind of talked about how it's probably too blown up and has gotten Too much press for it to really be useful for anybody But one that you wrote about that. I hadn't heard was this site are Apparently it has like a 10-year supply of coffee Yeah Raven Rock So Raven Rock is like the alternative Pentagon and it has not only does it have a Starbucks, but it also has a gift shop. It's huge! It's truly massive and you know what's funny? Is that one of the things that comes along with these secret underground bases is this notion that there's an underground rail network that connects them right now goes back way back into the 80s

45:15 And what's interesting is if you look at it in the 70s, Rand Corporation was a think tank. They had actually published a study showing that they could build these high-speed underground networks in the 70s using kind of pressure thing and they could go like coast to coast in like three hours or something. It was crazy! Wow! Yeah so Elon Musk is about 30 years late Yeah, even like Jacques Fresco in the Venus Project he talks about using that technology and that's probably where I'd first heard about it. And then to hear that this stuff might be older than me is just kind of shocking but in terms of these underground bases man do you think they're made...I mean they're probably multi-purpose of course but do you think there

46:05 They're really for the elite in case of net global disaster. Do you think they're more for secret underground? Like testing of technologies and experiments that kind of stuff No, I think those bases in particular like side are and some of the others Those are cut what are called continuity of government facilities And those those are designed for ostensibly they were designed that in the event of a nuclear war right, that they could move everybody to Congress and the President and Joint Chiefs troll elements of our government they can move it underground and continue to fight the war from underground right but the reality is that you know that's kind of a losing proposition. But in mastering that technique and mastering that capability, the bunkers also serve as a place to go in case of something like climate change where if they want to go subsurface there are a number these facilities scattered around the world where they can go and hide

47:05 Yeah, and I hear about well go ahead but what i was going to say is what's more interesting Is that you know you can only save a very very small percentage of the population by moving underground? I mean the bases are just not big enough. You can't build underground cities large enough to house everybody in la right So, you know with this rise of the idea of these FEMA camps and this other stuff I think those might be elements that are surface-based that are designed to control the population as the others descend. Yeah, those FEMA camps man. They're creepy anyone who's really looked at the videos of them or seen the tens of thousands of plastic coffins they store it is weird But I mean maybe they don't even know what their planning for They just might see the writing on the wall that eventually whether it's economic or environmental There's gonna be a disaster and they don't want to have to deal with us when we get angry well

48:00 Well it's simpler than that. You know they probably fundamentally don't know what they're for, it's somebody in the food chain somewhere said you gotta go build it. That's how these things work right? Let's say that you're building an exotic aircraft and your gonna have three groups of people working on the engine And each one is working on a different component of the engine. Only at the very end when the technician puts the engine together, that guy is the only guy who actually knows what the engine does. Yeah that's true! That's true And it just, man it does piss me off though that all government runs on the people's money and yet they put more energy into these contingency plans to control us or to keep us down in some type of collapse or disaster situation. Or build multi-billion dollar facilities for themselves underground just in case

48:51 Meanwhile, people are starving on the surface and rather than putting any energy into using the people's money to improve life today it's just all spent for the potential for disaster and the lives of a few. But they can't right i mean who's stopping them no one seems to give a shit we're all just going to work in washington big bang theory you know wait we sit around and we complain about it when say look that this is terrible as awful yes but we elect these people put him on there. That's true i mean sometimes i get into trouble when i do the politics thing but this way i see it right whether your on the writer your left,

49:31 It doesn't really matter now at the end of the day that people do we are paying and sending up there they're in it for themselves i mean lost is the date mr smith went to washington there are very few mister smith's in washington now their bottom paid for whether they're on the right or left of the tea party or not, they're all bought and paid for by special interest groups i'm in the idea that they can pass a ruling that says the company as a person Yeah, that company has a has all the rights of a person. That's asinine right? You know does that mean does that mean that fill in the blank multinational corporation like Viacom is gonna have children Apparently my mom has the right to adopt children I don't know if Sumner Redstone wants to do that but apparently Viacom as an entity Has the right to get married

50:24 Yeah, it's so stupid the legal framework for that stuff. There was one guy fighting back in an interesting way out here in California that was... He was trying to make the case that he is allowed to drive in the carpool lane which anyone who has a carpool lane should know they're just so great to get into and uh.. He thought he should be able to drive in it because he had his corporate paperwork And his passenger seat And if a corporation is a person, then this is basically the corporation in this manila envelope and we're riding together. So fuck you! Yeah I heard about that

51:02 I think that's funny, but obviously there are way more serious ramifications for corporate personhood than the carpool lane. But it is just asinine that goes on. But what was going to mention to you man on the subject of underground bases when i spoke with David Politis a few episodes ago? I mentioned your article for Paranoia that talked about batch consignments and how these clusters of disappearances from David Paulides' work are actually pretty close to the apparent places that a lot of underground bases are. So I did mention that too, and he said he's heard the theory but he thinks some areas are too remote or that too many people were found later dead or alive so they're not missing missing but i still think it is super interesting theory and its weird there is this connection they do overlay they are pretty damn close. They are

51:56 For my, I think David Paulides does an amazing job. You know he does some of the best research i've ever seen and you know for my money whether they find them alive or dead later you still don't know what happened to them in between good point because one things that he points out is it when these people are found days or weeks later they have no idea where they been Yeah maybe they're hitting with that men in black flashbulb thing back out in the woods or maybe they flunked the test who knows but you know there are large numbers of people that disappear around these bases and whether, weather they become batch consignments or whether their tested or whatever's going on. There are large numbers it seem to correspond to this basis that exist yeah man and on the I wanted double back to the

52:46 the half a billion number, the 500 million number because it's also part of Agenda 21 and someone who is kind of new to conspiracy might not have heard about it because I feel like its kinda died down. It was a pretty big thing several years ago but I think that problem is that people talking about put a year on it. I think they put 2010 or 2011 as the year for it uh...that all these vitamins were gonna get basically taken off the market and it was going to become a prescription thing only for you get vitamins and nutrients so they were gonna choke us out that way but what are your thoughts on agenda 21

53:22 Well you know agenda twenty one is this u n program to create sustainable populations right so the the u n ideas that you want it put things in a place and control, do you know the production of food on the distribution of food and when i look at this stuff you don't wanna ways. It's actually the problem of conspiracy theory, right? That when as conspiracy theorists the best we can be in nine times out of ten is a theorist. Right? We see the outliers you know, we see the symptoms but we never see the problem. You might have a viral infection that manifests by having a little tiny purple dot on your back

54:11 Right we can find the purple dot and say well that's a purple dot not purple dot means you're sick but we can never extrapolate it and say what purple dot means that you have this particular viral infection. And so when you look at things like agenda twenty one and its not the first or last time they are going to do something like that when you look at agenda twenty one its outlier, Of a mechanism that they're using to take control populations to control food distribution to control power generation i think all those elements are in there. Yeah and it's just another way that they're trying to do it,

54:49 So, you know what I think happens is you get a lot of people wrapped around the axle about it. You know agenda 21 and agenda 21 becomes a buzzword but what they're not doing is they're not going deeper and they're not saying why does agenda 21 exist? Mm-hmm. You know, I think that the better conversation is not so much agenda 21 maybe they'll do it Maybe they won't maybe it's in 2015. Maybe it's in 2090. I don't know But what I can tell you is that as an entity the object of agenda 21 is one element of a population control system that's actually much bigger than just agenda 21. Well said, you're right yeah it's a multi-pronged multifaceted quote unquote attack if you're in the camp that thinks this is nefarious but ya know a lot people also would just say that of course there's going to be monitoring of the planet I mean

55:42 there has to be. Somebody's got to be out there doing it, but they do it in such secrecy and they only care about themselves so just a lot of power for someone to have." But it's also only really feasible to monitor in the West because we have the infrastructure to allow laws to be passed or controls to be put into place you get into places with less infrastructure and things like Programs like agenda 21 start to break down. Yeah, so I go back to my statement that things like agenda 21 or the depopulation meme in general You know they're only feasible in the West right there are only feasible and Russia Europe or North America you know elements of Central and South America certain countries in Africa Asia

56:33 These places where the infrastructure exists, like the Chinese for decades have had the one child rule. Because the Chinese have the infrastructure to put that kind of population control in place. I mean it's an authoritarian autocratic kind of a place but they can do it because they have that control. Yeah scary stuff man and Bring it up to alternative three, you know in terms of these different Agendas. I mean we've walked through the first ones and the second one clearly they've tried to do these things that were Apparently just part of this mockumentary that was made by some people who just wanted to make some entertainment But yet we're seeing these things have happened in the past

57:20 alternative three, you know when geoengineering doesn't work and your underground bases aren't cutting it the last option is to go off planet. So I mean how far would you say we are on this? There's a lot of speculation that we have moon bases or Mars bases do you find that to be within reason? I do back in the late 50s the military, the army and the air force came up with divergent plans to put military installations on the moon I think the army was Horizon and the Air Force was Lunix, but they both predicted that by the early 60's they would be operational. So i don't see any kind of a problem with us having bases on the moon

58:02 And if you look at the moon and you look at some of the photography that's come back from the moon, there are some weird stuff up there. You know I put some photos into the book but they're tracks, there is garbage... We were not a very clean group of people So don't look for the base, look for the trash! Right. And so there is trash there It is weird Sometimes I can tell what am looking in those things but there are few pictures that are pretty compelling Well, there's one in particular on Mars that I call the facility and it's amazing. If you've seen it nobody can tell me that that's not artificial. It's basically cut into the side of a cliff and it's perfectly smooth and its angular and sticks out like a sore thumb. Most of time when I show that picture to people

58:55 They kind of look at it twice and go, are you sure that's on Mars? I'm like absolutely. It's on Mars. I mean it well, I'm looking at it right now and it looks it kinda looks like a very expensive house in Malibu. That's awesome man. And I'd love to think that's happening. Well yes or no because if you make the leap of faith and say well you know what we've got stuff on the moon and mars then you have to go backwards and say why do we have it there right And that opens up the can of worms and then you know your world view changes well how much time do i have on this is rock you know right before we have to get to the new one if we're even allowed in some alesium type situation. I don't think im invited yeah me either man,

59:38 You never fail to impress, dude. Always fascinating stuff! It's been a real pleasure getting to talk to you again I'm glad that you have a new book out and it was not easy to write the whole book from beginning to end and you have accomplished it And you want to remind people on where they can pick it up and maybe your website and other stuff you got going on? Sure. It's called the Secret Space Age, or you can get it on Amazon or you can buy it on my website at anomalies.net I also contributed to a book put out by Tim Beckley, Conspiracy Journal called The Ark of the Covenant and Other Ancient Mysterious Weapons. I think that's what it is called? I wrote a section on weaponry in ancient India.

1:00:29 So, you know pick that up too. You can get to that through my website anomalies A-N-O-M-A-L-I-E-S dot net or you can go to conspiracyjournal.com Very cool! Well Olaf man you are the best maybe someday we'll get a UFO with a swastika bumper sticker on it and you'll be validated once and for all I hope we don't Fair fair It'd be a bittersweet moment but until that day man take care of yourself alright? Hey you too Well there we have it higher side chatters one of my favorite guys to talk conspiracy with, Olav Phillips dishing out a healthy dose of education and a generous side portion of speculation. Helps the medicine go down? That's what Mary Poppins was talking about!

1:01:13 I think most of the big conspiratorial themes of the last decades fit pretty nicely with programs outlined in the Alternative 3 mockumentary. Looking back now, it is way more obvious that all these plans have been tested and carried out in some fashion since then and there might've been some very curious government agents who wondered just how these TV show guys got so close to the mark. It's interesting stuff. And in the Plus show we went from the Alternative 3 programs to discussing Olav's long time position that after World War II, the Nazis might have made it from Argentina to Antarctica and then quite possibly off planet and maybe this well-kept secret is the reason for such militarization of space

1:01:53 and some of the strange crafts we find, and the abduction phenomenon. It's definitely an alternative to mainstream ideas And I think Olaf makes some really good points in a really strong case about the iconography of these crashed UFOs what might have happened with the moon landing The reason why NASA is being defunded Suspicious aspects of the Benny & Barney Hill abduction case and a lot of other bits and pieces that might support that idea. We also talk about Valiant Thor, the supposed ET from Venus that worked with the government Operation Gladio The Nazi Bell And the Germans' fascination with all things occult What benefits this might have had for them in ways of exotic technologies? And their well-established but little known plan to systematically wipe out all the Masons

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1:03:14 of the covert and sometimes subtle plan to drive a wedge between the elite and the rest of the world, but don't let that be your excuse for not enjoying the life you came here to enjoy. If you believe the guys who say you choose the life you have for a reason before you manifest here well that also includes this time so shake off the amnesia and realize you chose the tipping point for a reason and lets stop dumping those buckets of ice water on our heads and instead provide some ice water for the neighbors around us who can't See, the ALS Association gets a 4 out of 4 star rating by Charity Navigator which is probably the most well respected gauge for which charities are worth donating to. So ALS gets 90% a four out of four star rating but if you scroll down to compensation The President and CEO makes $340k a year Well I'm fucking sorry! But that is not a four out of four to me And another very important point

1:04:08 When I see a charity that's to support the research to find a cure for X, Y or Z. I know it's a waste of money because our medical and pharmaceutical industries suppress cures in exchange for expensive long-term treatments there are no cures when was the last care you heard of? I hear it...I hear have a ton of treatments lifelong injections for diabetes or HIV or the torturous chemo plans for cancer victims but no cures. So you might as well burn your money if you're not going to overthrow the entire rigged system because you'll spend infinite amounts of money getting no cures because the core problem isn't being addressed and this comes out to a larger point where lately I've been taking some heat for being critical of the way protesters and activists carry out their activities, and that's just because

1:04:53 I see it as so rare to get people to actually care. It's so hard for something positive to take hold and make real change that I want to see people doing it a little bit smarter or more effectively, just some unrelated topics off the top of my head I suggested that instead of blocking highways in Missouri to draw awareness to the Ferguson issue, they should go to the police station and block the cars from getting out of the lot. You know dump all the neighborhood trash on the police station lawn! I don't care but you should be focusing your outrage at the police and it should be obvious

1:05:32 Blocking a highway is not going to get the locals on your side. I'm sorry, people shouldn't be selfish People should care more about these issues but you can't inconvenience them at least not in America We all want good things I just think we're gonna have to dial in on things a little more vigilantly To have them be meaningful and lasting But I guess that's it for me. Do what you love doing, the way you love to do it Hang out with people who make your life better and more importantly be someone who makes the lives around yourself better And we can turn this crazy bitch around despite chemtrails and agenda 21 in the goddamn IMF So that's it for me people! I'll see you in a few short days until then It's your move power brokers of this broken planet Your fucking move This is not The future

1:06:21 This is not the future we were care'ed of The world every boy envision'd From the time we learned without a flying car This is not the e-worp, whoa! This is not the picture we were p-ed This is not instructions now that's for us to draw

1:07:41 What we're up to do turns out to be her This is not the future, best So through the crystal ball We gaze to the future Fed to A To make a change will start today For the future Burned life is much too hard With no jetpacks or flighty cars Best This is not the future

1:09:10 This is not, this is not the future we want