Nora Gedgaudas | Our Sickness Causing System, Health Optimization, & The Primalgenic Plan

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood

01:27 These are the Higher Side Chats. Rock me like a hurricane, higher side chatters from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and as we enter the annual holiday season with more control measures than we might've expected it's hard not to look back at the beginning of 2020 and all the points in time we thought this COVID-19 thing might blow over But the conspiracy cardigan is definitely keeping us warm through this darkest winter, with no shortage of threads to follow for those confident and brave enough to do so. And we know the oily appendages of the nefarious few have thoroughly captured all our mainstream institutions, media networks and places any average citizen would go for answers in a crisis.

02:07 And seeing such a united front for the mainstream narrative can certainly make it hard for us on the outside to stick to our principles, remain confident in our own research and not acquiesce to fear or authority just because of the pressure's high. Though we have seen some very alternative researchers who initially taught us about things like Operation Mockingbird, international think tanks and government deception completely fall apart this year right when we've needed them most Well, as sad as that might be I've noticed that many experts whose focus has traditionally been in the realm of health and proper nutrition are actually the ones confidently putting the biggest cracks in the COVID story. Who knew? And today's powerhouse guest Nora Gidgaudis is exactly one of these sound minds for troubled times as she's put over 300 hours of research into her 90 plus page COVID-19 special report available for free download on our website

03:02 If you don't know Nora, she's an internationally acclaimed ketogenic and ancestrally based nutrition specialist who has dedicated her career to combating diseases and health consequences of the industrialized diet. Nora is certified in clinical nutrition and neurofeedback and is the best-selling author of three books entitled Primal Body Primal Mind Beyond Paleo for Total Health & a Longer Life Primal Fat Burner Live longer, slow aging, super power your brain and save your life with a high fat low carb paleo diet. And Rethinking fatigue What you're adrenals are really telling you and what you can do about it

03:39 You can find her ongoing work at our website primalbody-primalmind.com and her educational courses as well at PrimalCourses.com I know this is going to be a good one! A passionate advocate for the natural ways, a true health optimization expert and a much needed thorn in the side of The Big Machine Nora, welcome to The Higher Side Greg, thanks for that awesome introduction. And also I want to just say in passing how impressed I am with how well you pronounced my last name. That's a rarity! I put a lot of attention into repeating it many times before i go on the air when you obviously rehearsed for a long time on that one. Right well i'm glad you noticed and this is a real treat i've heard you speaking on so many important things and when it comes to covid 19 we've done enough homework to understand

04:29 The problems with the PCR tests, false positives. The financial incentives to mark the cause of death as COVID. The sad story of ventilators 2020 has been a wild ride but we are deep in the heavily predicted second wave and I think some people are losing their resolve I mean, even if there's just a 1% chance of getting grandma sick over the holidays many of us wouldn't forgive ourselves and a better safe than sorry mindset is certainly setting in. To get us started here talk to us about your approach to tackling the COVID research you've done and how it's informing your navigation of this tricky, so-called risky holiday season. Yeah it's tricky although one needs to ask oneself does grandma get a say in any of this? You know I know we talk about protecting the elderly but you

05:21 If the elderly are of sound mind, don't they get a say after however long they've lived as to how they would choose to proceed and live the rest of their lives? That's one question that I want to bring to this because I notice very often people get dismissive about well most of us should be fine. We just need to protect the elderly but what does that mean? Do we protect them by locking them away in fear and isolation away from everything that gives life its meaning, or do we help to strengthen their immune systems and ask them how they prefer to live their lives? It seems to me that many older people have earned the right to make those determinations for themselves. But at any rate this whole COVID thing I went into it kicking and screaming

06:12 When i started to hear the murmurings of this early this last year i'm thinking okay, They try to sell us a pandemic every single year. Every single year, it's kind of the same story. They're trying to make a vaccine that they can profit from and see how much they can do to sell this story." So it just seemed like yet another one of these same things and so I kinda rolled my eyes a little bit then went back to doing my work And I started to get pummeled by people with questions and concerns, a lot of people were starting to get really fearful. You know i make it a point to completely avoid the mainstream media but i realized that i just couldn't keep avoiding the subject matter and i started getting

07:07 Confronted with some things people are asking me some hard questions and i thought alright i need to take a deep dive into this. I need to be willing to go wherever the data takes me because i am nothing if not a truth archaeologist, It's not so much important to me to be right about what I think might be going on with pretty much anything. What is important to me is that I'd be accurate, that I provide people with responsible accurate information based on the best available independent science and journalism. I'm talking about the kind of journalism that supplies you with multiple references that you can then follow the thread up and take a deeper dive down into

07:50 And that's what i've done to the tune of now probably easily four hundred hours and either glazing over but i'm going down so many rabbit holes from so many different angles with this thing. That it's been exhaustive an exhausting but i think a fairly clear picture is emerging that, Is far more alarming from the perspective of those that are interested in selling us for second and third waves and whatever products come with that. Then any kind of viral spook out of china i'm not saying that there isn't a virus although as i'm sure your listeners are aware,

08:32 An actual virus has never been clearly or appropriately identified according to what's called conscious postulates, that is the gold standard of how you isolate, purify, identify a new emerging novel virus and then test it for its pathogenicity to determine how much of a threat it might be. That never happened they extracted some fluid from the lungs of a man in Wuhan that appeared to be experiencing some, you know, they thought maybe novel respiratory symptoms and they sequenced out genetic sequence that they determined must be part of the virus. And they've been running with that ever since and obviously your listeners are probably aware of some of the limitations of the RT-PCR test You know I actually read all 48 pages of that manual

09:24 And i was astonished at just how unreliable any test results coming from that might be particularly since. All of the major alphabet medical institutions are saying you've got to replicate this thing at least forty times, in order to get an accurate result when, in fact anything over 17 times is more likely to give you a false positive. But you have to ask yourself why they would do such a thing and who benefits from seeing lots of lots of lots of positive test results even as the vast majority of so-called cases quote unquote which is totally inappropriate medical terminology by the way

10:10 are completely asymptomatic and are destined to be completely asymptomatic. And so when it comes to this sort of thing, really the emphasis for any rational person should be you know if your concerned about getting sick should actually be strengthening your health and immune function but of course the measures that have been used to supposedly get this whole thing under control have done the exact opposite of that They've added a stress level that is unprecedented in all of human history to this whole thing, which is one of the most immunosuppressive things that there is. And so in my report one of the first things I put forth as a recommendation for maintaining some sense of health and sanity through this whole thing is simply to turn off

11:08 Damn news you know turn off cnn turn off box turned off nbc CBS ABC turned. The mainstream news of stay away from mainstream newsprint and magazines and radio shows because, The fact of the matter is, and there was a very interesting study done on the effect of the news on your health and immune function. This more to the point now this article was published long before the current scare it's very very interesting as an article published in The Guardian talking about research that had been done on the effect of news on the health of people in on the social fabric

11:56 And the headline reads basically mainstream news is bad for your health it leads to fear and aggression. And hinders your creativity and ability to think deeply the solution stop consuming at all together now, here are some of the things that this article basically bore out in the same article they showed how mainstream news misleads and overrides rational thinking Mainstream news is irrelevant to anything that has the potential to improve the quality of your life. News has no true explanatory power, news is literally toxic to your body and brain it constantly triggers your limbic system and hormone cortisol

12:43 And that intern just regulates your immune system and totally ravages your brain in other words you body finds itself in a state of chronic stress chronic fighter flight. High stress hormone levels cause impaired digestion lack of cellular growth and healing nervousness and susceptibility to infections hello, It also leads to brain shrinkage. How convenient! So the other potential side effects include things like, not that we're seeing any of this of course but anxiety depression aggression tunnel vision and desensitization Also, watching the news regularly has been shown to increase cognitive errors and it feeds the mother of all cognitive errors which is corporate and political confirmation bias. Not that any of that's happening. And it also adds to social polarization divide-and-conquer right? So news also inhibits thinking. Thinking requires concentration. Concentration requires uninterrupted time

13:43 News pieces are specifically engineered to interrupt you. They're like viruses, if you will that steal attention for their own purposes News makes us shallow thinkers, but it's worse than that. News severely affects our memory function according to at least one Canadian study. News is an intentional interruption system It also works like a drug It literally alters the structure of your brain The more news you consume the more you exercise the neural circuits that are devoted to things like skimming and multitasking while ignoring those brain circuits that are used for thinking deeply

14:22 With any meaningful focus news totally waste your time it makes us passive new stories are overwhelmingly about things you can influence a grind you down. Until you adopt this world view that's pessimistic and desensitize sarcastic cynical or fatalistic know the scientific term, in some respects is learned helplessness which is also associated with clinical depression which is another epidemic right now bigger one News also kills creativity. You need independent reporting, we all need independent reporting that polices our institutions and uncovers actual truth but not something that just gives us sound bites in corporate or vested interest driven talking points and that's why we have to support quality alternative media you know like your show this is also why alternative media is totally in the crosshairs of mainstream media right now

15:18 So we need to stop getting into the fear porn that is mainstream news media. Now truth is not necessarily fear porn, right? But the problem is that the mainstream media isn't about being objective or even exploring what might or might not be true censorship right now is at an all time unprecedented high everywhere in the world and never seen anything like this i was really completely unprepared for just how rapidly, does virus of fear swept across the planet and consumed absolutely everything and put people in a place where they were ready to surrender every human right they had out of here.

16:13 and just simply go along like lemmings and put the diaper on their face, shuffle along and stand in little circles in line. Not even really questioning whether they're right about any of this or whether these measures are even proven to be helpful which we know they're not I've got something close to a hundred twenty page report that I have written that obviously has to be pared down a bit before I publish it just simply on the subject of how ineffective and dangerous, dangerously harmful masks are. And yet we're not really allowed to question that." Right? Just a petri dish on the face basically! That's exactly what I referred to it as. Yep, that's exactly what it is you've got a petri dish strapped your face that is impairing your ability to breathe oxygen which by the way also

17:08 that and re breathing your own co2 at such a constant way is also the most surefire way to inhibit your immune function. And in fact there was a recent cdc statistics, that they're kind of trying to shuffle under the rug now, that showed that in excess of 70% of everybody that has gotten ill from this thing actually wore their masks mostly or always And only somewhere between 3 and 7.8% of persons who have gotten sick reported never wearing a mask, and we also know that statistically in all of the countries around the world where masks have been required

17:53 there has been insignificant effects upon rates of infection. And that makes sense because all of the research points to the fact, all of the peer-reviewed research some which has been out for some time some which is actually published more recently and then shuffled under the rug but some of us know where to find that rug have shown that the masks are being used including these N95 mask show no statistically significant effect for protecting anybody, including medical personnel in hospital settings from respiratory infection. And so I see them as basically an adorning crucifix of the mainstream medical orthodoxy and a symbol of acquiescence and obedience to the state. So they become symbolically very important to the predatory corporate mainstream... Oh, I don't know we'll call them powers that be i guess

18:55 What they actually offer you not only little to no protection but actually potentially significant harm. And the fact that this is being foisted upon children to me is just it's genocidal there's no reason for it no evidence at all that children, are at risk of getting this infection in any meaningful way nor is there any evidence and any of the available literature that they are infecting adults so why do this, why do this to your child? Why deprive your child of fresh air to breathe.

19:35 All right, well said and on the subject of evidence let me ask you about this because I've heard you talk in the past about Studies on coronavirus and viral shedding that didn't go maybe as expected Right And you close your COVID-19 special report with a quote from Louis Pasteur where he says it is not the germ we need to worry About it. Is our inner terrain? I totally agree with that and some past store advocates consider the idea of person to person transmission and viral contagion to be a vastly overblown paradigm if not outright wrong. In our system, that position looks pretty extreme but what are your thoughts on that? With the coronavirus or any other viral threat that might roll out in the future

20:21 Well, right. The bottom line issue isn't the virus itself it's the health strength and resilience of your own immune system and the human immune system doesn't get stronger by being hermetically sealed in a bubble wearing hazmat suit wearing goggles and masks and gloves and face shields and God knows what else human immune system has evolved over you know for couple million years to function at its best through Exposure to natural exposure to environmental antigens two things like viruses and bacteria and whatever else it's sort of like saying that well you know my muscles are too weak therefore i really shouldn't try to lift that heavy weight well how do you expect me get stronger no by sitting around in atrophy

21:14 Or by taking steps to strengthen those muscles. And your immune system is like that, it needs exposure in order to improve its own resilience and strength. We need certain foods we need fresh air and sunshine as opposed to being banned from the beach or parks and whatever else We need these things in order for immune system to function normally. And obviously we've seen proof in places that didn't lock down, that approach clearly works better than these lockdowns and of course I'm sure you've heard about the Barrington Declaration where more than 35 thousand scientists and medical experts from around the world have signed a declaration saying that lockdown are catastrophic failure

22:07 that they are not the answer to addressing this thing, but that we all need to come to grips with the fact that the virus is there. all this started with, hey just stay home for two weeks. So we can flatten the curve and everything will be cool and we can all you know... And it's not like this virus is some noxious gas or some toxic gas or something like that You could just sort of seal yourself in behind closed doors in your bunker and wait for it to pass overhead and then come on outside and everything free and clear

22:43 It's there, it's going to be there. By the way we've all by this point been exposed to it right? And those of us listening to this or talking about this are still here so clearly herd immunity is something that is a rule and not an exception in dealing with whatever comes down the pike and this for heaven sake If ever there was something that should be dealt with true herd immunity which comes through day to day natural exposure. It's this thing that you and i in the vast majority of people listening to this,

23:22 have roughly a 99.96% risk of survival here? Well, let me actually ask you about that because that was on my list of questions first great point that there are plenty of quality sources and PhDs and experts who don't agree with the mono narrative And they just aren't being presented to people and it looks like everyone agrees when you only pay attention to the news but When it comes to the strategy of talking to our friends and family, it seems like the alternative community is confidently repeating that COVID-19 isn't that bad. Just like you say has a 99% survival rate but that's not doing much for the conventional people I talk to because they're reading these stories about long term lung damage

24:09 And now we have headlines that are claiming permanent mental illness. And those things are just as scary as death for some people! I know you know the importance of outreach and increasing the number of people who can see the real data behind the narrative, but how can we do that without causing friction with the people we love? Well, we need to put all this in some kind of rational perspective. Look there are more than 200 different respiratory viruses floating around in our environment and our global environment We're all getting exposed to these things all the time you know and were not getting sick two hundred times a year either right? Usually the immune system mounts its response and it deals with it And by the way these respiratory illnesses

24:58 mostly share a fairly similar symptomatic profile. One of the questions I asked myself too, because obviously advanced stages of pneumonia and whatever else seem to characterize the really severe cases and I'm like how many people every year actually get pneumonia? Just here in the United States. And I went to some official respiratory medicine websites and what I found was that over two million people in the United States alone get pneumonia every single year, right? On an average normal year. And of those more than 2 million people that manage to contract pneumonia roughly 50-55 thousand people as a matter of the normal course of things will die from pneumonia and the profile of those that die is not dissimilar to the profile of people at risk for what is deemed this COVID 19 thing

25:55 But the thing to point out with respect to pneumonia is that there are many different kinds of pneumonia. They're not all caused by respiratory viruses, some are viral but some are bacterial in fact the use of masks according to one study has spiked the incidence of bacterial pneumonia which is by orders of magnitude much more serious than viral pneumonia generally is Just because people are constantly re breathing their own bacteria with the use of these masks but they're also potentially fungal causes of pneumonia and.

26:31 Of course, we know that there's a very high risk of ventilator-induced pneumonia mainly because these ventilators are harbingers of antibiotic resistant bacteria that can really create lethal states of pneumonia. But they're also medications that can induce pneumonia. There are...Of course there things like aspiration that can induce pneumonia so pneumonia has many many causes And again, the people that are most vulnerable to it tend to be... It's the same suspects for the most part. It is the week the frail the elderly those mostly with comorbidities and i don't really wanna make being elderly sound like an automatic disease threat. I know people in their mid seventies that are way healthier than people i know when they're thirty's and forty's, i would worry way more about somebody who was thirty years old living on a diet of twinkies and beer which a lot of people are right now locked behind closed doors with nothing better to do looking to comfort themselves

27:33 with food and beverages. I worry way more about them than I worry about, you know a 75 year old who takes good care of their health and does take measures to be careful about what they eat and what they drink and how much and all of that, you know how much activity they get etc. One of my best friends her mom a year ago this time was 105 years old And I'm talking 105 years young. She was like awesome, all the lights were on everyone was home she was completely ambulatory and her favorite thing was hanging out with her friends and playing cards and laughing and telling jokes she was a total character just a total card love to laugh and all of this sudden this thing happens and people in the care facility that she was living in suddenly

28:27 They locked everything down, they strapped masks on their faces so she couldn't see their facial expressions. Friends were forbidden from visiting her. She was only rarely allowed a visit from her daughter and her whole quality of life literally went down the toilet and when she last saw her daughter she looked in her eyes and said I don't even know what the point is anymore I don't have any reason to be here anymore and she can now be counted among those who died a death of despair and loneliness because that's ultimately what killed her she did not get covid or anything else, just went into decline so rapidly through this whole thing now she was 105 but i think that she deserved she had earned the right. To determine your own destiny it was not up to anybody else you know to control

29:24 how she spent the rest of her life. People forget that there are some things that are worse than death, they truly are. Slavery would be one of them you know living in a completely closed totalitarian society and my mind is far worse than death I would rather only live for one day in a state of freedom as a human being able to express affection for those that i love and free to just simply live my life as a human being in whatever manner, ic fit or that gives my life meaning then live for twenty years. In a state of total control total lockdown mass surveillance mandatory vaccines and other treatments that from all available evidence

30:21 Are going to be far more dangerous than health promoting fear does really interesting things to the brains. Of human beings one of the things i wrote about in my first book primal body primal mind toward the end of the book where i was talking about the brain and the primal mind section of the book, i mentioned how things like fear basically have the effect fighter flight state of autonomic functioning in the nervous system basically has the effect of completely shutting down blood flow.

30:57 to the frontal cortex of our brain, our executive function. The part of our brain that not only makes us the most human but also allows us to rationally assess what is going on around us and choose a course of action based on available evidence, based on thoughtfulness, based on maybe things from the past and also the ability to plan for the future all that goes out the window in a state-of-flight or flight And that's precisely what mainstream media now is doing everything possible to induce one moment to the next. You know, the people I know who are doing best are people ignoring the mainstream media right now." Yes yes that is no small thing definitely worth pointing out and

31:48 I guess i would also ask, you know why are so many people in an internally weak state and nutrient deficient? A lot of people just don't know what they need to do. Yes the news is hyping everything up putting people in a state of fear our educational system has condition does in a certain way but also diet is such a huge part of this and not only for the robustness of our immune system but also that brain function and it really is. No one to punch the body in the mind and they definitely have a synergy when it comes to what we put in our body right,

32:24 It's everything, really. I mean the health of your immune function in large part... See, I spent more than 20 years working directly with the brain in a clinical setting doing something called neurofeedback so I'm acutely sensitive to the effects of stress and all that on brain self-regulatory function and capacity And so, obviously I'm able to come at these things from different perspectives. But my first love and my first passion is nutritional health, functional nutrition and of course I come at this from in part an ancestral perspective although that's not the whole enchilada for me but it is the most rational and essential starting place looking at the ways in which we evolve to determine what were the selective pressures that shaped

33:17 our physiological makeup and are more basic nutritional requirements we have to start there but it's not an end point because just because our ancestors did something in my mind is not necessarily the best reason to do the same thing you know they did what they did because of what was available or with some other tastes were whatever else, not necessarily because it was going to optimize their health and its irrational to think that everything they could put in their mouths chewed up and swallowed was going to somehow be optimal For their health so how do we know what in my work i've gone and i looked at basically longevity research, you know there's a hundred years worth of that out there. And there is a lot more than we understand today about what kinds of things are likely to be more optimizing to longevity and other things that seem too, no cut that short a bit

34:09 And it turns out that you can overlay those things and you can ferret out some of the things that are most likely to be helpful, and some of the things that are most likely to compromise. The quality of your aging and your longevity... When I talk about longevity in like after this interview i could walk into the street get hit by a city bus So its not really the quantity of your life that matters It really is the quality of your life You know as long as im alive I want to be cognitively functional. I don't want to be hooked up to some kind of oxygen tank or crippled from arthritis and unable to get around, or unable to remember the people and recognize the people that I love. It's really about quality of life. And anything that helps promote longevity is effectively protecting you from disease. Now blood sugar issues

35:08 are a major source of neurological and immune dysregulation. And so, you know one of the first things that anybody needs to be concerned about is getting blood sugar issues under control and of course we know that anything that creates a blood sugar spike can create up to 90% impairment in your immune function for few hours following that high glycemic meal. So it is something It's a press something called the luke acidic index and it's very real vulnerability so to my way of thinking.

35:46 Well, you know of the three major macronutrients proteins fats and carbohydrates. The only one for which there is no established scientifically established human dietary requirement is Carbohydrates we literally have a zero requirement for dietary carbohydrates of any kind including fiber everybody thinks that's essential It's truly not I'm not saying you shouldn't ever consume it I'm saying that there's nothing to suggest That it is essential to your health and well-being. And so, basically since carbohydrates are more likely particularly utilizable carbohydrates like sugars and starches because they're more likely to dysregulate your brain blood sugar surges create also anxiety and can lead to rollercoastering of mood, of attention, of cognitive functioning and of energy levels in everything else

36:46 Sugar is a very volatile unreliable fuel and if you're relying on it as your primary source of energy, and believe it or not there's an alternative. Everybody thinks blood sugar is the thing that allows your energy to exist and thats actually more of a choice than it is a necessity. The more you are relying on sugar as your primary source of fuel the more volatile all of those things are going to be, it's a very very unreliable source of energy that burns off quickly and needs to replenished frequently. And so there is an analogy that I like to use with this is pretty helpful for lot people in... For those who aren't familiar with my work its my wood stove analogy. Of course you know I'm originally from Minnesota so wood stove analogies work well for me here in Australia maybe not so much but

37:42 Carbohydrates, like say what they call your complex carbohydrates like brown rice and beans and sweet potatoes and things of that whole grains etc. Those are really the equivalent of twigs on your metabolic fire white rice white potatoes white bread you know and things of that nature those are really the equivalent of crumpled up paper on that metabolic fire And then you have sugary beverages and sweetened alcoholic beverages, and things of that nature which are literally like throwing gasoline or lighter fluid on that metabolic fire. Now say you have a wood stove and you're using that to heat your home and all you have to fuel it is a big pile of kindling which is really what carbohydrates are, metabolic kindling

38:39 You can certainly do that and this is what we're conditioned as a society to do ninety nine point nine percent of the time but what's actually happening. Your basically parked in front of that would stove for the better part of the day constantly preoccupied with where that next handful of fuel is coming from, how many people that you know just kinda plan their lives meal to meal or god forbid that you should forget and try to live your life and go around in run errands and do other things are god forbid try to sleep all the way through the night there's an analogy there too, and then suddenly oh my god fires going out. And then your desperate creating stuff your crumbling up paper grabbing lighter fluid or whatever and throwing it on the fire to try to keep it going. Try to keep yourself warm

39:34 But I basically refer to that as a state of metabolic enslavement. So what's the alternative? Well, what if instead you were to take a nice big fat log and throw that on the fire now all of a sudden You're kind of free. You're free to go off and live your life. You're free to sleep through the night You wake up in the morning. You look in the little fire box there And it's oh look the fires burning down I'll just throw another log on the fire and then suddenly you go off and you live your life and you're able to make better choices about what you eat because it's not this constant state of resurging urgency. We're actually designed to make use of one or two types of fuel in a primary way, anybody listening to this is either a sugar burner in the primary way or fat burner in the primary way

40:29 If you're a fat burner, you're relying on things like ketones and free fatty acids for your ongoing source of fuel. And the little bit of glucose that everybody needs in some small way because there are certain... The retina of the eye or red blood cells, the inner medulla of your adrenals and things like that do require a small amount of glucose. You don't ever have to consume glucose to get that, you can manufacture all the glucose your body requires from a combination of protein and fat in the diet. Hopefully you're getting most of it from fat!

41:07 and you then have a steady supply of fuel that your body, the thinnest person listening to this probably has 100,000-150,000 kilocalories of fat on their body that they could be relying on tapped into as a primary source of fuel even in the absence of regular meals. But the sugar burners of the world are in constant need replenishing that fuel. I mean sugar has so many potentially toxic effects On your health and on your immune function on so many things and because it's not essential. In my mind, it's kind of a if you will no brainer is kinda leave it out

41:51 And instead make better choices from uncompromising sources of protein and a whole variety of fats, including animal fats. But again, of uncompromising quality and sourcing I'm not talking about the crap that comes from fast food joints or willy nilly mainstream grocery stores on things like that The health of the meat or fat you consume Directly corresponds to the health of the animal that meat and fat came from. And so by focusing on quality sources of for instance animal source foods which in truth have much more essential nourishment to us than most plant based foods, I know that sounds counterintuitive but it's demonstrably true we just need to focus on quality

42:44 And as such, you don't end up having to consume a whole lot in order to meet your nutritional requirements. In fact I actually advocate for protein moderation meeting your protein requirements day-to-day but not meaningfully exceeding them And there are a whole host of reasons why, and I talk about that at some length in my book. But that came from my understanding of longevity research and certain metabolic pathways that we trigger when we overconsume protein that may not be in alignment with our long-term best interests. So meeting but not exceeding those requirements in the long run makes the most sense and is the best for your immune system

43:28 And there have been some really exciting studies that have been published in the last few years or in the last year or two, that have shown where effective ketogenic adaptation is as profound an anti-viral effect with your immune function. As it's more protective from things like influenza-like illness than any other way of eating can possibly be. It's anti-inflammatory, you don't get big surges and spikes and dips in blood sugar, and you're also generally consuming a more nutrient dense diet when you are doing that unless... I mean there is many ways of

44:17 There's many different versions of ketogenic diets out there as they're people claiming to practice them and honestly, majority of what is being popularized is actually not necessarily in the best alignment with health. Again, I take an ancestral approach to nutrition from the standpoint of quality and sourcing of the food that we consume. But I also again use things like longevity research to modify those principles into something that is truly health optimizing and that is the big difference. That is a really great breakdown and actually related to this, I've heard you talk about the importance of organ meats and it seems like

44:58 If we're not eating quality fats and we're not eating organ meats, there are essential vitamins and nutrients that haven't been in our bodies in years. In some cases maybe ever right probably the ultimate superfood of all time if everybody could just learn to love one thing it would be liver I know for a lot of us It's almost taboo We have been conditioned in our culture To not like liver at least a lot of people feel that way about it But the fact of the matter is, is that it is far and away the richest source of so many nutrients but particularly vitamin A. Which prior to World War II was a primary focus in medical research of anti-infective therapy There is probably no more important nutrient to the health of your lungs and to the health of your immune function than vitamin A which by the way also requires

45:56 zinc, which is richest and best absorbed from animal source foods for a variety of reasons. But vitamin A and zinc are absolutely critical. And under all of this now stress that everybody is having foisted upon them and is foisting upon themselves through the self-abuse of watching the news all day long, you know stress and trauma can up to triple your rate of zinc excretion So just by letting yourself be stressed out and subjecting yourself to things that add to that stress unnecessarily.

46:36 you're really putting yourself in an extremely vulnerable position with respect to your zinc status. I'm sure your listeners are really familiar with how hydroxychloroquine and zinc will pair together, a lot of times they throw Z-Pak in with that, erythromycin and that sort of thing, in order to have nearly 100% effect of protecting against problems with COVID-related illness, particularly if you catch it early on. So zinc is one of those things that your immune system has to have but vitamin A and zinc really kind of go hand in hand. Vitamin A also goes hand in hand with the vitamin D3 and there are some

47:21 profound statistics that I don't have sitting in front of me right now, but you're something like 90% more likely to have a bad outcome if you do become symptomatic with this thing. If your vitamin D3 status is below...I believe it's 30 nanograms per deciliter as opposed to being over 40. If it's over 40, you have a better than 90 percent chance of fully recovering So vitamin D status is another really critical part of the equation. But in order for vitamin D to work properly, you need healthy amounts of vitamin K2 and I am talking about a form of k2 called MK4 which is naturally present in the fat of animals allowed to consume nothing but pasture in the course of its life It's particularly high in things like poultry liver and poultry fats

48:14 and probably the richest natural source of vitamin K2, MK4 is in a particular strain of emu oil. There's one company in this country and I don't have any financial stake in this company at all but their emu oil actually is the richest natural source of vitamin K2 that you can use to supplement with and it's basically a whole food... You know, it's a food source and it's not like some extract. I am NOT a fan of the MK7, the bacterially fermented forms of vitamin K2 that are known as MK7. Those are actually manufactured from genetically modified bacteria in a laboratory not created in any meaningfully natural way and the Dutch researchers... So here's the deal

49:08 It's become that MK7 form of K2 that is now infiltrating our food supply and supplements in health food stores and everything else. It has become the darling of the health food industry, not because it is a healthier more effective form of K2 which there is literally no evidence to suggest but because it can be patented. And the Dutch researchers that are promoting and doing things too... Let's just say color the research they're putting out there which is largely based on mk four studies and not really based on mk seven studies. They are the ones holding the patents on this and actually recently what was his name, add the main dutch researcher that has been promoting all of these usually brought up on fraud charges for some of this

50:04 Anyway, I'm digressing. K2 is incredibly important. Vitamin D3 as we know in part is useful for your proper absorption of calcium what people don't realize is that what determines where calcium goes once your body actually absorbs it is your vitamin k2 status and the only form of k2 found in the brain the only form of k2 that has been demonstrated to actually pass through umbilical blood into a fetus from the mother is MK4. And that's the only form that we actually evolved consuming and we get it from pastured animal fats, and poultry fats are a particularly rich source in poultry liver so organ meats are the most nutrient-dense form of meat that there is and they become really scarce in the American diet when people think of meat they think of chicken and steak and fish but they don't really think

51:05 of all of the nutrients, organ meats and tissues that also go along with those animal source foods that actually have a lot more to offer you nutritionally than the muscle meat. That everybody associates with that now in some cases people they either can't get those organ mates or they just can't deal with the taste or the thought of it or whatever I know there's one supplement company again i have no financial stake in them at all and it is called ancestral supplements and brian johnson created this company he's become a good friend of mine because, i basically sought him out to say your product is awesome. And what he does is he has these animals that are being raised the new zealand and absolutely pristine conditions on pristine pasture with you know chemicals hormones no antibiotics nothing

52:00 And when the animals are harvested, then the tissues are portioned out minimally processed and encapsulated so that you can take your liver or your spleen or your pancreas or brain tissue whatever else in an encapsulated form. And get the nutrients from that without having to taste it if that's something you prefer not to do but there all kinds of tricks to getting around deliver thing. Yeah i like all that advice and clearly there's a lot of education people need to do about proper diet and nutrition and personal responsibility really is the name game man just before we do the promotional stuff.

52:44 I wanted to end with this one. So something I hear you say a lot is nobody's coming to save us and it's a sentiment I definitely resonate with absolutely but as this agenda continues we're already seeing mainstream articles about things like quarantine camps or certain companies that will only do business with the vaccinated population right not to mention that people who are being publicly critical have an even bigger target on their back yeah well now that we have think about at that three o'clock in the morning, but anyway. Amen I'm with you. Yeah But now that we have the knowledge to know to resist this agenda what advice do you have for actually dealing with the consequences of that choice? The way things are going Oh boy well i'm not saying it's a painless choice but we have to actively resist where We are being led by this nose ring. We have to actually just stand up and say no

53:44 and we have to be willing to not comply. I mean, if everybody right now decided to just... We just got a new freeze lockdown mandate which our governor who by the way i graduated high school with, we were in the same class and graduated the same class of 78 go mustangs right? She's a loon. I'm sorry, but she is now mandating more lockdowns things that have already destroyed millions of lives here in Oregon and she's demanding more of the same and more mask mandates and telling everybody no more than six people at your Thanksgiving dinner And you have to wear a mask at dinner and you can only remove that mask when you're taking a bite of food really?

54:33 If everybody just walked out of their house and went to work. And when about your business took the face diapers off really we ought to have a choice don't you think i mean if somebody is truly afraid, and they feel like this makes them safe well everybody should be allowed to do what they think makes them say but that doesn't mean everyone else needs to be hostage to those fears If you feel that mask is so effective for your health and well-being, then why would you be threatened by me if I'm not wearing one? It's protecting you isn't it. If i'm not afraid, I shouldn't have to as a healthy person there's no basis or rationale for a healthy person to wear those things and so basically our refusal to comply is the only way that we ultimately transcend this as a society

55:28 And of course the problem is that we are told that we can't gather together, that we can't be within six feet of one another. That were not allowed to have parties or gatherings or God forbid meetings at our homes and so it becomes harder to create community but we are a social tribal species this is who and what we are And I've got news for you, human touch is as essential to our survival not just our well-being. As is nourishing food fresh air clean water and sunshine we have to have it this is who and what we are and without it our mental health suffers or physical health suffers Our risk of death from any number things goes through the roof there a number papers right now talking about

56:24 the extraordinarily devastating effects of lockdown on health and it's because we're just not designed to do this. I mean, what do they do in places like Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib and high security prisons when they really want to punish a prisoner? They put them in isolation because there is nothing more devastating to us mentally and spiritually than being separated from other human beings And on top of it all of course we're taking away our identity by strapping these things on our faces and eighty percent a human communication is non verbal we got over hundred muscles in her face, that are designed to communicate to one another. That's how we communicate and that is being also taken away from us taken away from children

57:18 and babies that rely on those facial expressions in order to have normal psychosocial and affect development, brain development. And the consequences of this are honestly like I say some things are worse than death i think that what's happening now has the potential not just simply to make or break our economy or survival as individuals in this time period but literally our survival is a species how we choose to either comply or not comply with what is reasonable or not reasonable has ramifications for things that go way beyond whether or not you come down with some kind of respiratory illness. And so, again, we need to sit down take a deep breath meditate for 20 minutes unless you know you're too busy in which case you should meditate for about two hours and

58:23 really center yourself and ask yourself these questions. What constitutes quality of life for you? I've got friends that are a little older, that haven't left their home in six months. They're afraid to leave their homes. They're sure that they're at risk and the more we isolate from one another, the more at risk we become because our immune systems just aren't getting the workout that they need to be strong enough to stand up to not just this thing but Any other number of viruses and bacteria, whatever else that we may be exposed to in our natural environments. So some of it is staying away from the mainstream media some of it is just simply educating yourself about what actually means to be healthy how you cultivate that? It's not a drudgery if you know it's not something that is going to adversely impact your quality of life just because you're choosing to eat healthier foods

59:24 I actually feel like I'm getting away with stuff every time I sit down to eat because, I love the way I eat. Even if it wasn't good for me, I'd be wanting to do it because it tastes awesome! But you know its a matter of just cultivating new habits It's not that painful to do and recognizing that nobody will ever care more about your health and well-being than you So take charge of that, take control of that. You have control over that and make better choices and encourage those you love to do the same so that you don't have to be vulnerable to these things and so that you don't have to be vulnerable to social engineering in mind control that's pummeling from all sides. We don't need to be afraid one another we need to come together as community make decisions on a local and more personal scale

1:00:25 And that's the ultimate answer to this. These changes that we need will never come from the top down, there is literally no incentive It's all far too financially and politically and power vested to ever come from the top down it's up to us on a grassroots level in our daily lives among our friends and family people we love To establish local systems of food production other services and methods of exchange and support one another in a way that improves, not just our physical health but our mental emotional and spiritual health and allows us to thrive through what's happening. And it really making those decisions that is going to make all the difference when it comes to this or anything else

1:01:17 Yes cheers to that if you sit and wait for the all clear from the system you're gonna be waiting a long time as you said this is supposed to be a couple weeks right here in now and some people haven't left the house so there are big bold choices to make but we can make them. And let's give them some info about your larger body of work, which is eternally useful pandemic or not remind them about the books your website and the courses you offer for your primal jenna approach. Right so there's my first book which kind of put me on the map primal body primal mind. There is rethinking fatigue what that isn't ebook rethinking fatigue is an e-book it's what your adrenals are really trying to tell you in what you can do about it and then

1:02:01 there is Primal Fat Burner, which sounds like a weight loss book. It's kind of a double entendre I suppose weight loss might be many people's favorite side effect but it also makes allowances for people that are underweight and want to put on healthy weight There are modifications that can be made to the program so is designed to be universally applicable as a foundational dietary approach that is health optimizing And again, I've gone to great pains to connect dots from many different angles and i have substantial and highly credible research to back every single thing that is stated in my online courses which will get you a second. And also in my books the manuscript for primal fat burner the original manuscript was over three hundred thousand words and more than three thousand

1:02:52 peer-reviewed references to which Simon and Schuster looked at and said yeah, no We need to pare that down. So two thirds of the word count was pared down in nine tenths unfortunately of the scientific References which they wanted a pair done because they didn't want it to seem too sciencey And I battled them on that and just got a lot of pushback But at any rate this is all very very well substantiated stuff It's not based on my opinions This is based on meticulous research over decades, and by the way also decades of day-to-day very full time clinical work in which I was able to see in hundreds of people what worked and what didn't. And so this isn't just armchair research stuff it really is based on what I have seen work and not work in clinical populations

1:03:45 I also have a 52 week certification course that i call primal restoration, that takes on a variety of health related topics and provides an unbelievable amount of we'll just call it nutrient dense information. I would say maybe 60% of the people taking the course are doctors and practitioners of some kind, including medical doctors. Including naturopaths and chiropractors and nutritionists and health coaches but also just average people who are interested in taking a deeper dive into these subjects. I make it very accessible and i like to think entertaining

1:04:26 and highly actionable and practical in their scope, not just theoretical stuff. But here are the steps to take for X Y or Z I also have my three-week program The Primalgenic Plan a three week meal by meal total health transformation program that essentially handholds people through the process of adopting this optimized way of eating And it really goes through, talks about the pitfalls along the way. Goes into what to do if you hit certain sticking points or speed bumps along the way how to address those problems and be able to kind of move past them and also I talk about specific kinds

1:05:07 issues that people may be coming into this whole thing with that may need to be addressed and it ends up being as customized as a generalized program like this can be for people. And I've gotten wonderful feedback from all these programs, i have other things too you can go to primalcourses.com to look this up and you know for your listening audience I'm happy to offer 30% discount in I'll provide you with a code that you can provide your audience with, that will give them that 30% off discount. Then they can avail themselves of information that they're not likely to find in one place literally anywhere else. I love it! Beautiful! I hope people take you up on that offer for sure. I know a 21 day plan sounds very doable the wife and i have already talked about taking the plunge between Thanksgiving and Christmas ourselves

1:06:03 probably when we need it most. But this has been amazing, I'm super glad we got in touch and can make it happen big thanks again and keep doing what you do! Well thank you Greg, you too keep doing what you're doing You know we need more people like you out there And...I've really enjoyed doing this with you today Ah too kind well take care and enjoy the holidays as best you can Yeah yeah you to will all make the best of it right? That's what I'm talking about people! Primal body, primal mind. Nora Gedgoudis pronounced perfectly. I'm kidding but i only recently learned about Nora from a colleague of hers who listens to THC Big thanks to Karen you know who you are it's a shame what they're doing your name out there and I very much appreciate the hookup

1:06:55 And I have to give it up to the ladies recently because anyone can write me and say, hey you should have this person on your show. Well sure! A lot of the times that person might already be on my list but if we don't have a contact or they do not respond in my emails there's not a lot i can do But lately some lady activists have been pretty spot-on with Hey check out this person's research If you like them I actually work with them and get them on the show for you And for some of the busier guests that we've gotten lately, it is nice to have that inside track. Yeah The Hireside Chats is a show at this point that I think is well worth any guest's time but they don't know that if they don't know then they don't know! I'm sure every interview request looks the same and health shows have always been in the THC soup maybe a little bit of an

1:07:50 Minor ingredient but what is the point of uncovering the lies in our system and the things that are promoted in it that make us sick or weak or suboptimal, if we don't drill down into what can make us better. We want to look like we got our shit together because of our counterculture alternative knowledge and lifestyle Not like we're unraveling into a paranoid pile of our former selves who can't keep a job at Best Buy because we won't shut up about the reptilian agenda. Plus, it takes a strong mind to handle all the stuff that gets into the dark and ominous around here. Giving some attention to our mental health and connection with what we eat is well worth our time I think

1:08:36 You know i tried to practice that first question in this interview with a couple of lines about how we've been over the pcr test and we've been over the masks because i didn't really want to spend. Too much time on it nor has ten hours worth of awesome content to share probably more, add i didn't really wanna go over a lot of the same things that other guests have brought up when her wheelhouse is so unique So masks maybe took up a bit more time than I would have hoped, but i am still on her page with it. Especially because the further we go down this road, the more data comes out and Nora had just written a big mask data breakdown. So it was probably fresh in her mind but it is not just an arbitrary compliance thing if you're in a situation where you're wearing it for five full work shifts a week It's gonna be a bigger deal for you than it is for someone who just throws a bandana on when they run into the store to compete in the knife fight for that last carton of milk

1:09:36 What I did want to do was get a little bit deeper into the viral shedding study, but she did confirm what i was saying when I mentioned that it didn't go as expected. In a 30-minute window of a healthy person's exposure to someone infected, it was so insignificant they didn't bother to approach it in longer terms or anything and look the truth is if you google COVID 19 virus shedding study you'll get all these articles about how severe it is now contagious it is well you have to decide what sources you think are most worth digesting. But on Nora's website, she cites a study from Nature Medicine, a journal that publishes these things and the conclusion clearly reads among the samples collected without a face mask we found that the majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols

1:10:33 So we have that followed by a quote from a harvard doctor that quote masks offer very little if any protection from infection and then from the cdc's own website. In our systematic review, we identified 10 random controlled trials that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946 to 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with use of face masks

1:11:10 There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We did not find evidence that surgical type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility."

1:11:46 They kind of repeated themselves there, but you get the point. And someone could say oh well that's an influenza study yeah well between 1946 and 2018 that's what they had to study again I'm just trying to help you out here let you see both sides it's not just one rogue study or one rogue doctor saying this These reports are showing that masks aren't blocking viral particles and that, more importantly, unmasked people are not even projecting detectable viral loads in their exalted breath to use their term. That's the bigger deal and it's another notch in the belt for those researchers who were saying you know contagion is not as explosive and automatic as its presented to us

1:12:34 And I'm only taking the time to back up what she said about masks just because it is based on data and i don't want to sound like, I think it's arbitrary. Just one more headline to really drive at home but from ScienceDaily.com Masks cause damage study reveals mask hypoxia blood clot connection just like how the ventilators killed a lot of people in the spring and summer that were marked down as COVID deaths If wearing a mask too long for too many days in a row has a link to hypoxia and blood clots, that should probably be considered when we're saying those are very close to the effects of the illness itself. Look I'll put that article with all her sources in the show notes but you know I prefer to focus on what makes us better and she has a lot of good information on that front too

1:13:30 If you want to take the plunge, Nora did offer a coupon code for her courses. It is all caps HIGHERSIDE30 30% off! No small thing I think my wife and i are actually going to do it And see how we feel after 21 days of strict adherence to the plan Trust the plan as they say right? But one of my big goals with this was to craft a shareable show. I know some episodes get pretty wild and Bill Gates is Lucifer, and it's a battle for the soul... And you know i like those shows! I am attracted to extremes but on this I really wanted to have Nora here to craft a very shareable show A nice package that I think should be digestible for anyone that we care about

1:14:15 so that we're not just preaching to the choir on this. We need larger numbers as I keep saying, to quote Nora from one of her previous interviews, we cannot be afraid to make waves. We can't say we're tired of hearing about it because we aren't going to get another chance to get this right. It's kind of a now or never deal and i don't think that's hyperbole but anyway what i'm getting at is i thought this was a perfect opportunity to provide you guys with something shareable for people who might be at least half open-minded. But a lot of the most important content ended up in the second hour, in the plus show where we talked about the true underreported risks of an RNA vaccine why technology rather than the vaccine seems to be the true endgame to COVID 19 malpractice and even death by proper pharmaceutical prescription and the numbers there for people who blindly trust big pharma

1:15:16 Because when norah says we don't have another chance to get this right i believe this is what she's talking about. When a quarter or third of the world population gets an experimental rushed non intergenerationally tested vaccine, what happens? The solution that being suggested is way more dangerous than the problem it trying to solve. This is conspiracy 101 right but I want everyone to have access to that section I am so serious about how important i think it is to increase our numbers before the non-vaccinated have their autonomy revoked and the vaccinated end up in an sv40 virus 2.0 situation or worse obviously make your own decisions but no decision should be made without hearing these counterpoints so if you're a free listener, you can use the coupon code PRIMAL to get a free week of THC plus that's right

1:16:15 Obviously you can do anything with that free week, but I would hope that you agree with me on this and download the full mp3 of this episode and other key shows on this theme that i've done this year. And share them with the people you love yes it is my job and it is my only source of income and I hope that if you appreciate this then you stick around for a month or two as a way of reciprocating But I'm doing fine at the moment I am worried a little bit more about the near future So use the coupon code PRIMAL and you will get a free week. Remember to cancel within seven days if you can't stick around for even one $8 cycle, If you can't I understand but please don't fill up my inbox with hey i forgot to cancel can I get my eight dollars back because that is what happened last time I did this and then I was sitting here for a couple of hours processing refunds because I tried to do something nice

1:17:10 That said, the next thing you'll get from me is probably the November joint session. Now that the THC voicemail is up and running messages are starting to trickle in I wanted to give it a couple more days so go to thehiresidechats.com slash voicemail if you have a story or experience or theory to relay on the joint session and having Other voices back on the joint session episode really does make it more of a collaboration kind of thing it's more in the spirit of what was supposed to be so just a fun bonus show where we can get the audience involved and also sometimes give updates or.

1:17:49 additional context for episodes that have passed, and there's really no other good place to do that except in the wrap-up of an unrelated show or of course now we have these bonus shows. So again use the coupon code ALLCAPSHIGHERSIDE30 at primalcourses.com if you want to try The Gidgaudas Way Or at least reach out and thank her so she knows we made an impact today I would love to get her in the rotation more often honestly But then you can also use the coupon code PRIMAL at TheHigherSideChats.com and get a free week of plus, and I hope you listen to and share this one first but there ya have it! Coupon codes for all call me ConspiracyOprah. But i'm getting outta here take care of the people you love get your game locked tight and stay safe out there. I've done my part your move corporate scientism promoters dark agenda facilitators and blind followers of the white lab coat mafia

1:18:46 Your fucking move. Oh no, you see The world isn't random It's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello Can you hear me Or should I play back I'm some spying agency Wish we were younger and free I'll be thankful when it's all exposed A vast conspiracy There's such a difference between me now And the Denver child Hollow from the highest high

1:19:55 They're calling out a thousand crimes. They'll tell you the story of everything that's been done, and they'll call out deception from the web that's been spawned. Hollow from the higher side, the earth is hollow They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard of it? Have you heard about the real since long ago? People know they're cartoons It's so typical me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry, that's good and well

1:21:01 Did you ever hear the argument that nothing really happens? It's no secret And that the best is plumbed It's doubling your time Hello from a higher side They're calling out a thousand cries Now tell me you're something the elite have done And they'll call out deception from a web that's been spawned Hollow from the high side, challenging your paradise

1:21:54 And I'll tell you something, that the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won, as the war's won Hello from a higher side They're calling out our signed cards

1:22:49 And they'll call out deception Of the web that's been spun From the higher side Challenging your paradigm I'll tell you, Meg That the battle has begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind where is won That's the proof