Nick Bryant | The Epstein Network Still At Large & Seeking Justice For The Victims

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01:30 Here we go again, Hiresight Shedders. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and the darkest reality we face around here is that there are powerful networks in the shadows that expand their influence through the entrapment and sexual blackmail of politicians and the billionaire elite And the truth is, the darker the taboo, the greater the control. So we see these networks utilize prostitution drug use and sadly child trafficking to catch people at their worst There's no telling just how much of the system has been captured by these types of tactics But if the silence from mainstream media law enforcement or the Justice Department is any indication it's a lot

02:10 Well, before there was Jeffrey Epstein there was Craig Spence and today's returning guest Nick Bryant is a dedicated journalist best known for his work in exposing these networks primarily with his brilliant book The Franklin Scandal. And while many people have heard of Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book few people know that getting it published back in 2012 is another notch on Nick's belt Now, frustrated with the stonewalling of the Epstein story and the lack of investigation into the larger network Nick is back in action spearheading a campaign to demand more and hoping to inspire people to back him up. He's here to talk about his own research into the situation and encourage listeners to sign his petition at change.org demanding more from the system and justice for victims of the Epstein Network

02:57 You can find a link to that petition in the show notes and I know you people can listen and type at the same time. But here he is, the child trafficking ring researcher and dedicated journalist for justice Nick Bryant welcome back to The Higher Side. It's good to be with you Greg Yes man thank you for doing this i know so many people hold you in high regard for your work on the franklin scandal me as well. And is brave that was it's not surprising to see you called into action on the epstein network as well before we really dive into that words would seem a little weird to not at least mention the current situation were recording this and most of the country's bars and restaurants are closed most of us are in a self quarantine situation,

03:41 and gatherings of any sizable number are banned. I know you've talked about a desire to see people demanding justice in the streets over this Epstein case, and clearly that can't happen right now. How are you assessing this? Are you at all concerned over the level of control exerted so suddenly?" Well when people are in fear they're easy to manipulate and they're dangerous So... They can easily have a mob mentality And the problem that I'm having is, I'm receiving a lot of conflicting information about the coronavirus and the spread of the coronavirus and its lethality. So...I mean, the coronavirus is reality! It's putting people in hospital and it's killing elderly, immunocompromised people with certain heart conditions so that is reality

04:41 But these other measures, I just don't know. A friend of mine is a medical doctor and i was talking to her and she said that it would be much more reasonable if people that were high risk elderly people immunocompromised people with certain health conditions just stay home And also people that are feeling sick and we don't know whether or not they've got the coronavirus should stay home I don't know how well that would work but it seems to me that would have been like the first step instead of a complete lockdown. So i'm a little disappointed that our government hasn't chosen that as the first step, see if it works prior to this and as i said receiving a lot of conflicting information

05:38 Me as well and i just get a little concerned over this seeming like a somewhat low bar for instituting these type of quarantine protocols i mean it doesn't seem to have that. lethal of a death rate from the numbers i've seen but we had a bowl we had swine flu bird flu we never saw any measures like this put in place and so i wonder. Now that this is a new standard is gonna be instituted more often i mean nine eleven happened decades ago and i still can't wear shoes on airplane in the patriot keeps getting,

06:14 Renewed so i just wonder when sometimes these things happen when do they go away i mean when we're all inside. When is a virus gone just been were told it's gone well you talk about the swine flu this one killed blue killed up five million people show. I think we're dealing with something that isn't as lethal as the swine flu i mean given that the swine flu kill five million people So I just don't know but it is frightening when you see so many Americans being so obsequious to the government. I wish that more people were asking more questions

06:59 Donald Trump was very cavalier about the coronavirus and said that it wasn't a problem. And then all of a sudden, here we are practically in martial law. So there's been like a schizophrenia from the Trump administration. And unfortunately as we see, the Democrats and Republicans are willing to follow the leader In cases like this where there's a calamity so at this point i just don't know what to think right. I agree it's really too early to say i know you're very meticulous researcher and u don't wanna miss speak or speculate but its hard not to just say something at the top of the show because it is just strange times okay so, i've been in contact with a couple of scientists

07:54 And one told me that the coronavirus is very, very contagious and lethal. Although I think we're at the death rate is 2.4%. The other one told me that the mechanisms are in place now are overkill and more people are going to die because they've lost everything. If this keeps up without any kind of economic relief packages There's gonna be a lot of people out there that are going to lose everything and he said that would probably be more lethal than the coronavirus. So those are the two polarities I'm looking at with this.

08:39 Well i do appreciate you sharing what you've heard even at this early stage and it has certainly had an effect on the Epstein coverage there were a lot of memes circulating that we're keeping the story alive in once coronavirus dominated the news cycle. They all kinda went away who knows what else for missing but the demand for more journalism on the epstein network was certainly squashed even though is kind of fizzling already, Well, it was fizzling. I started a petition and it was starting to fizzle and last week I was supposed to speak at a international conference the International Society for the Study of Trauma Dissociation in San Francisco. I had a very good Jeffrey Epstein presentation and after my presentation I was going to solicit help in attempting to get reasonable Jeffrey Epstein

09:33 Investigation off the ground but that conference got canceled so it's been very difficult to get. People turn their heads towards jeffrey epstein when i think there is a lethal pandemic going on so it has and i'm hoping that we can get back to normal relatively soon whatever that is so i can continue to pursue the injustice involved in the epstein case Right and i definitely had a note down about that conference presentation it had the title politically connected organized abuse understanding perpetrator dynamics and. I'm sure that will be a presentation that comes to light in some time but, i am curious what elements you're gonna highlight there or what people might not understand about these perpetrator dynamics all the thing is

10:29 With this presentation, I was going to focus a lot on blackmail. Where people are missing the boat when it comes to blackmail and I wrote The Franklin Scandal which was about a pedophile network that flew children from coast-to-coast and deployed blackmail much like Epstein's. The Franklin Network was much bigger than Epstein's and i think it was even darker than Epstein's if you can imagine that they were producing child pornography also Where is it and it goes to jeffrey producing shopping if not surface at this point but the thing is when you blackmail powerful people and. I did get the black book in two thousand twelve i wasn't able to get on the internet till 2015 one gawker published that and the,

11:20 How is your house manager circle people who were quote unquote potentially material witnesses if you can read through that and there's a lot of people that are very powerful and very rich including our president show. I'm staying by himself was a college dropout from basically blue collar background in cornea There's no way that Jeffrey Epstein could blackmail people and there has been multiple articles about his hidden cameras. The New York Times had articles, Vanity Fair has had articles CBS had articles and Epstein set up was much like Spence's setup at least at his New York home with multiple monitors according to one of the victims so Epstein by himself could not have blackmailed these people he had to have

12:20 Organization behind him and entity behind you that would tell the people that were blackmailing you cannot touch jeffrey because if you do there's gonna be some very serious ramifications so that is the only way that jeffrey could have blackmailed rich and powerful and of course, Acosta the former labor secretary alexander costa and prior to that the former us attorney for southern florida who gave abstinence sweetheart deal in two thousand eight. Where is he sure thirteen months in a county jail and actually the department of justice had listed thirty two underage victims at that point so, that was very much as we are dealing and acosta and the us attorneys office didn't even

13:14 Tell the victims that have seen heaven sentence which is against the law i mean there's a crime victims act and. Victims have to be notified about perpetrators sentence what they did is seal everything, and then it was eventually unsealed by number of lawsuits being launched but when he was interviewed for the labor secretary you asked him what happened with every epstein And he was told according to vicki ward who publish a very good article on daily beast and she's a very knowledgeable reporter she said, i just said that you were told everything was intelligence and that it was above his pay grade so can you do the back off in the prosecution of jeffrey epstein. Add also acquired emails between one of the attorneys in the assistant us attorney where

14:12 They're lobbying these emails back and forth, and they're talking about how they can give Jeffrey Epstein the most lenient deal possible. And the assisting US attorney even suggests a magistrate that would be compatible with what they're doing. So there's just so much corruption here I truly believe that i have seen part of intelligence now when you get into intelligence it's difficult to know i mean, i believe that there is a very dark pocket of people in the FBI and leave that there's a very dark pocket of people in the CIA. And i also believe that there's a dark packet of people on the NSA and especially with the CIA so

14:57 I have no doubts that Epstein, like Craig Spence in the Franklin scandal was the point man for a blackmail operation and that he was protected. What happened with Craig Spence is very similar to what happened with Jeffrey Epstein The Washington Times started reporting on Spence and they did a really thorough job They talked about his house being wired for audio visual blackmail And they also talked about his connections to the CIA and he ultimately ended up killing himself in boston at the ritz carlton jeffrey was that the metropolitan correctional center which is a.

15:40 huge federal jail in the middle of manhattan and his surroundings were as glitzy is spencer's writings when he killed himself or apparently kill himself. But i think that there was way too much press focused on everything for him to still be viable and kept alive And that is a definite great breakdown i have heard you say in previous interviews that when it comes to the franklin scandal u went about as far as a journalist can go and live. I'm curious how you determine where that line is weather deeper levels they didn't feel comfortable putting in the book are talking about is there a similar line not to be crossed in this epstein journalism your doing,

16:26 I think the biggest thing in this type of investigation i was told very early on by someone who i value his opinion he said don't blackmail any of these people or you will get killed and make sure that there's duplicates of all your information as for me, i went very deep into the franklin network and my life was threatened i was followed i had very strange phone calls. But I kept going. I just decided that the Franklin trafficking network and its cover up was just so evil, that i had to be a mensch and really do what I could. And with the Epstein investigation my Epstein investigation, I have not been threatened so...I know who some of the perps are some of the big time perps. I mean I can't prove it but I know who some of them are

17:32 And again i think trying to blackmail them would be very deleterious to me. Right right and it seems like they have their hands a little more full this time then they might have with the franklin scandal there's, what about eyes on this thing even if some of them are going to the depth that you're going of course but they're kind of batting down the hatches it seems maybe lorry not been some cases will What's kind of interesting is Alfredo Gomez, Epstein's house manager circled a number of names and in the black book that were quote unquote material witnesses. And he circled the name of Bill Richardson. He circled the name of another New Mexico governor. He circled the name of Alan Dershowitz and

18:31 All three of those guys have been named as perps. So it's kind of interesting, George Mitchell's name has come out the former Democratic senator from Maine and his name had come up previously The thing about it is there are a lot of victims out there with Epstein With Franklin the FBI came in and got really heavy with all the victims And then some of them died and some other siblings died under mysterious circumstances They were able to contain it, but we're not seeing that from the FBI in this case. These girls have lawyered up and they've lawyered up with very astute lawyers David Boyd's being one of them and consequently at this point I think if you got the victims to really talk they could give you the names a lot of the perps

19:39 There's so many parts involved in this and they're very high ranking one is a prime minister. A couple are presidents of other countries and then i think that this goes very very high up into our government and this is what kind of mind boggling the media, goes big time in the jeffrey epstein my name even gets mentioned vanity fair even writes an article about me i mean they won't give you a writing gig but don't write an article about me, what was actually laudatory and new york times without even consulting me put my name in the paper talking about that i was the guy to put black book on the internet and i was the guy that put the black book on the internet. But she would think that they would come to me

20:32 And other than vanity fair and ask me what i thought about this or do i want to write about it but no one did. Add that was kinda shocking to me right right and i was gonna back up to that little black book of bed i mean thats a huge journalistic service the world getting out there in kudos to gawker of all places for publishing at, i'm curious if that might be underline reason they're not around anymore is that type of stuff But can you tell us a little bit more about how you got the little black book and how you got out to the world in other names that you've seen it that you think should be in the conversation that really just haven't drawn attention that you would. Thank they were so sure she gave me the black book in two thousand twelve i can, really get into that particular subject of course this works to give me the black book in two thousand twelve

21:31 It was in florida and i took the black book up to new york and i pitched it to many different magazines and i had pitched franklin to them add, i can see that there was cognitive dissonance in their eyes they were thinking well this is a horrible story where all these kids have been destroyed with impunity. I need to do something about this or i consider nick bryant is crazy and i don't have to do anything about so they Ended there cognitive dissonance by defaulting to nick bryant is crazy and i want back to them and i pitch the map scene in two thousand twelve but this time i had the black book. I had a bunch of other documents not one of them would touch this now if you had gotten behind me in two thousand twelve just think about girls that could have been saved from molestation

22:30 Because jeffrey epstein less a lot of girls from two thousand twelve to the time he died last year and it's really tragic and now we saw with the media and jeffrey epstein was certain salaciousness. The Epstein story had a salaciousness that was seductive. But okay, now Epstein's dead I mean his network is still out there those powerful perps are still out there those procurers are still out there Delaine Maxwell she was marching lock step and barrel with Jeffrey Epstein concerning all of this and She hasn't been indicted. I just find it mind-boggling No one in the media is calling for Maxwell's head

23:19 And the rest of those procurers, The New York Times wrote an August 29th 2019 article. It was August 28 and named six of Epstein's procurers I mean how difficult would it have been for law enforcement to round up those six procurers? It would have been quite easy! I mean it's kind of like The New York Times naming 6 of John Gotti's associates And delineating how they're involved in John Gotti's criminal enterprise, but the Justice Department doesn't go after him. It's very analogous to that so again the media is really shortchanging these girls and the victims because this isn't about justice now

24:10 I haven't seen any mainstream outlet scream for justice for these girls. Justice would be the procurers getting indicted, the perps getting indicted and all of them going to jail! That is what justice would be. People say they're too powerful... Nobody's too powerful The United States government is the most powerful government in the world If it wanted to indict someone, it could indict someone Richard nixon was booted out of office when he was president united states the narrative of watergate is a little different than what people believe but nonetheless it was most powerful man in the world at that point and who's booted out of office so i feel like its just complete bullshit that people are backing away from this because the purpose to powerful

25:02 Again, it is the mainstream media showing that it's run by ethical eunuchs and that these ethical eunuchs are stopping the investigation right now. It's very sad to me Yes i agree and you're right about the coverage mainly focusing on ebstein himself and his death which is like a way to make it look like we're not ignoring the story but your clearly not focusing on the larger network of further investigation and let me say, the victims its nice to hear that some of these victims have better legal resources now than the ones of the franklin scandal.

25:44 And there is no shortage of victims like you say, there's a couple dozen at this point. I believe there has been about 35 molestation lawsuits settled With the right on yeah i had actually in a old gawker article thirty five female minors whom federal prosecutors believe you sexually abused in that court case and then he has reportedly settled lawsuits. For more than thirty jane doe victims since two thousand eight so obviously there could be even more that we don't know about clearly theirs going to be but how many of these victims have u spoken with personally,

26:23 When i first got the black book i spoke with some. I was in florida and i had a long list of florida victims and i called them and i spoke to some of them they were very frightened at that point this is two thousand twelve so most of them are very very frightening, some of them had settled lawsuits with epstein at that point but the ones that i talked you were very frightened and finance myself in these investigations By the time i got in the black book and by the time i start talking to victims i just couldn't stay in florida any longer but i felt that i had. Enough evidence certainly at that point to take it back to new york magazine for a mainstream magazine and get an assignment as i said before none of them commission article about jeffrey epstein even though he had his black book in the names of

27:24 Numbers of a lot of perks and the names of hundred victims i just find it mind boggling as i said before if one magazine behind me in two thousand twelve all those girls that were between two thousand twelve and two thousand nineteen. They didn't have to be so that makes me very very sad, Indeed well it's also sad that we set such a terrible precedent in the franklin scandal where, the kids who did come forward were as you say leaned on heavily there were tragedies unexpectedly and their families. And at least one case i think two who wouldn't recant their charges they were actually hit with perjury and I think that

28:11 young lady spent even a couple years in solitary just to really drive home that they're not to be messed with. That network was operational for about 10 years and it was a big network the franklin network was getting kids out of boystown and other institutions, i was also getting kids out of the foster care system and it was getting kids that had fallen through the cracks Generally lower socioeconomic kids from dysfunctional families and the FBI came in and leaned on everybody i mean they lean down the perps to there was a part albert he was multimillionaire. He was saying about cooperating, hey saw that the cover up the nebraska senate hired investigator name gary carried ori and here is a whirlwind who is amazing investigator

29:10 And some of these perps saw that Gary Caridori was uncovering the Franklin network as fast as the feds could cover it up. He left a list like 60 victims and that's the list I used to find victims for the book, two of the victim Paul Banasi and Alicia Owen they would not recant their abuse How would we can't use to the state grand jury and he was indicted on three counts looking at sixty years and alicia wouldn't recant her testimony. Do you need prior testimony too

29:54 the state grand jury and she was indicted on eight counts of perjury. She was looking at 160 years, and then Alicia there were eight indictments against Alicia by the federal grand jury so she was looking at like 300 years I mean and she still wouldn't recant her accounts of abuse and we're talking about a kid who is indicted when she was 21 years old She was sentenced between nine and fifteen years in prison, and her trial I get into a lot in the Franklin scandal. I show all the chicanery in her trial but she was given a 9 to 15 year sentence and she had to do two years in solitary Douglas County and the state of Nebraska tried to destroy her because that generally is what happens when people are solitary as they start losing it but Alicia

30:46 She was a strong girl who became a strong woman and she just wouldn't fall. Yeah, so sad if you were in that situation and to come out you want to look at examples of previous cases and you look at the Franklin scandal and You're not getting a lot of inspiration for wanting to take that risk But do we know where the Epstein Network was picking up its victims? Are these the same sort of disenfranchised youth yes The majority of the Epstein victims, I don't think Epstein was plundering institutions the way King was plundering institutions. Larry King was one of two perps along with Craig Spence who operated the network. I think that Epstein had a lot of recruiters out there we know about eight or nine. The New York Times mentioned six that were on the lookout for girls they came from lower socioeconomic backgrounds

31:45 And they were also from dysfunctional families. And those are the girls that they preyed on Yeah it makes me curious when you hear like a story like the next thing that was all these female recruiters going out and finding these girls wanted to be models are actresses so they get brought into this cold like atmosphere, and then we have in the epstein situation i got like less western i mean if there's girls that are wanna be models and actresses in the same sense you got the gala maxwell is out their telling him hey We can make your dreams come true stuff like that we can put you in the room with powerful people where they sold lies similar to that as far as you can tell. I think a lot of them were and a lot of them were the money was very nice although wasn't much but maxwell's on record is time about these girls quote there nothing these girls so she just look at these girls is like nine entities to exploit what should i mean,

32:50 I guess pedophiles are that way or a lot of pedophiles are that we were they just look at their victims is nothing i mean as something to exploit it's very strange to me how people get that twisted do not know how people get that twisted. But maxwell and ebstein were definitely that twisted That was gonna be one of my questions for is these conversations are usually about the blackmail aspects and it's pretty clear to see. How that could be useful in these names they spend politics entertainment news media apparently the scientific community to extend and abstinence case but, is this all just about blackmail and exerting influence over these people i mean i'm sure there's a little indulgence but

33:38 Outside of that is there other motivations that you've been able to pay for why networks like this would exist the franklin network wasn't very lucrative. I mean i believe it's got money for the kids actually know that to be a fact and i'm sure that everything paid these girls service him but i'm sure he also pay these girls just service others right but i think that The amount of money that was made by both the franklin network in the mc network was really minimal compared to. Blackmail intelligence that was gathered we got one hundred senators and we've got four hundred thirty five representatives, add one thing that i learned writing a franklin scandal is nothing makes people stupid like sex power and money those three things i mean look at bill clinton

34:41 With his problems with last time he put is in higher presidency on the line with monica lewinsky so when these young girls were dangled in front of people, something in their limbic system took over and maybe they were pedophiles already you know there just been provided for but it's. Really really important if you want power the way that these guys want power to blackmail people And our House and Senate is filled with men that have a potent psychological alchemy of alpha male lust, arrogance. And it makes them incredibly stupid and open to being compromised."

35:30 As far as blackmail and compromise, one of the examples that I use is Larry Craig. He was a Republican senator from Idaho and he was in Washington DC first as a representative and then as a senator for like 25 years. And i've co-authored a book called Confessions Of A D.C Madam where a guy who ran a gay escort service Henry Benson detailed the people that he interacted with and larry craig was getting prostitutes from him male prostitutes throughout the eighties, very great was ultimately busted trying to pick someone up in minneapolis airport bathroom. Now how hard would it be to compromise a guy like that i got that's paying money for making calls for gay escort try to pick people up in bathrooms

36:28 It would be really easy to compromise Larry Craig. And Dennis Hastert is another one that comes to mind, he was Speaker of the House for seven years from 1999-2006 and he had a long history of pedophilia, of molesting little boys and yet he was the third most constitutionally he was the third most powerful person in the country And according to a FBI whistleblower, Hastert was at a house of ill repute. So it's tough to know whether he is being provided with little boys that the hospital was some kind of house of ill repute in Chicago and the FBI knew about that because the whistleblower told the FBI first so we have these politicians running around now how does a guy like Larry Craig exist?

37:25 Washington DC for twenty five years i believe you the worst record well he was in washington dc voting against gay rights so how does it go like that last twenty five years of watching and see his obviously protected. And I think you want out of this protective net when you try to pick up someone in airport bathroom minneapolis i mean that's my take on That makes a lot of sense and so with these networks you compromise senators and politicians all kinds of people what are you getting i mean who's interest are being served.

38:03 with this blackmail. You don't compromise people unless you want them to do something or specifically want them to not pursue something else, is there any kind of commonality? Can we look at all the politicians who have been compromised and look at particular industries or individuals that they seem to be working for? The military. Right out of the gate it's the military if you look at the politicians that I know have been blackmailed, whether they be Republican or Democrat. It's always the military but here is the thing about that. The politicians that I know are compromised they almost always vote with their constituency so they don't stick out They're down with their constituency But occasionally a marker has to be called in and then they will vote the way that they're told too but for the vast majority of time they vote with their constituency

39:06 And you assume that there's so many lines in the chain. That they might not even know exactly who is pulling their strings cuz is going to be a middle man who just comes and says hey man your voting no on this or yes on that, and they don't necessarily even know whose orders are following me just know that people have the dirt on them they gotta listen too No, I think that's wrong. These guys know that an intelligence entity was behind Jeffrey Epstein and Craig Spence or else these politicians have access to thugs. Les Wexner definitely had connections to organized crime the Genovese crime family

39:53 Most of these powerful guys have access to thugs organized crime burgers so they would have to know that hey you cannot touch Epstein, you cannot touch Spence because we are behind him and if anything happens to them and when find that your culpable then you're going to have to pay the price because These guys cannot be off in these intelligence blackmail artists because then it would set a very bad precedent people just start offering blackmail artist so i think that they're definitely lit up as far as who is compromising them and what they need to do.

40:37 And I wanted to ask you about this because i am not in the camp that thinks pedophile networks are a thing that president trump is trying to weed out but it isn't opinion, did a decent segment of this audience might put stock and and i do get criticism for disagreeing with that but what are your thoughts. They're completely wrong here's the thing and this will i think demonstrate unequivocally William Barr was the attorney general who covered up the Franklin scandal under Bush one and now he's the attorney general under trump that's covering up Epstein's pedophile network. So if the QAnon people had a lick of sense that they would see that someone who covered up the franklin trafficking network is also covering up the epstein trafficking networks so

41:31 Donald trump isn't going after the pedophiles i mean it's sickens me to hear that type of bullshit for lack of a better word. Yes well im glad you said so cuz I feel the same way and I do think william bar is gonna be exhibit A for making that case, And one thing that i'm seeing thrown around a lot on the internet is along list of ceo resignations in the past few months from disney to a lot of major companies and the suggestion is that these are people that are compromised in those networks do you know much about the compromise folks outside of the political sphere does it go into other industries. Definitely goes into other industries,

42:15 I know some of the people that are in high finance or compromise but when it comes to like hollywood, that's not where my expertise is my expertise is primarily in washington dc and also in new york city. Yes absolutely and i wanted to also ask you a little bit more about gillian maxwell of course we know she was. Abstain right hand woman and for awhile the news narrative was that she was on the run but i don't think shes actually being pursued is there anything u can say regarding updates with where she is or when her passport was last used are,

42:56 What's the thing about maxwell is she is very fluent and she used to spend money like it's profuse in bountiful financial footprint. That glenn maxwell leaves would be i mean if you wanted to find glenn maxwell they can find her tomorrow i'm really convinced of that cuz she just too The way that she spends money it's to refuse there will be a corner very quickly. So we don't really know where she is and they don't seem to be looking they don't seem to be looking because i mean all you gotta do is use your credit card in its game over for her, add i can imagine her using credit cards i can imagine her being austere anyway she doesn't strike me as the person that's going to be us here

43:50 regardless of what's happening in her life she is used to living high on the hog and this is kind of interesting because usually when you ask, the department of justice or the FBI about ongoing cases they will say well we can't comment on an ongoing case. It's very interesting their commenting all the time on prince andrew but they're not commenting on anybody in america that was part of this so i mean that's another indication. That there is a cover up going on and it stinks. Yeah you're right and, I was also curious about the potential for multi generational component when it comes to glenn maxwell because there's a lot of talk about her father robert maxwell does it seem like he brought his daughter into this world the darkness

44:44 It's difficult to know that in match what was set certainly an ethical unit coming he was a spy and he was also white collar criminal. It's difficult to know with glenn maxwell weather it's multi generational or she just twisted herself Where and you mentioned prince andrew obviously that interview was quite wild and probably didn't go the way he expected it to go do have any indication of how involved is there how deep this story goes with other members of the royal family. I don't know about other members of the royal family but prince andrews a slam dunk i mean he's absolutely guilty,

45:29 Any other thing about prince andrew stupid do i mean anybody with an IQ above ninety would have given a much better interview than he gave. Regarding his ex place with jeffrey abstein right right there are other international leaders in the black book correct yes who barack is circled in the blackboard but, there's also the president of spain President of argentina there's a lot of powerful people in the black book outside the united states focus if you would mind on less waxner yes that was my next one let's do it. Okay so last night he is the ceo of albans which owns victoria secret,

46:20 Hank bath and body works big ever crumb in fitch i mean. He's got a gigantic empire is estimated to be six billion dollars right now ok so let's watch according to article that i found met jeffrey ebstein, yeah the eighties we don't know exactly when but we know that it's evening standard article from january twenty second two thousand one And it has some very interesting stuff in it. It talks about Epstein meeting Wexner, and it also says Epstein has a license to carry a concealed weapon once claimed to have worked for the CIA although he now denies it. Then one journalist who The Evening Standard quoted said, He's Wexner's Mr Fix-It. He is the spook connections and pulls strings." So this was reported about Jeffrey Epstein 2001

47:23 Now you became less westerners body in the eighties and what's really interesting in nineteen ninety one last wexner gave him power of attorney. Over his entire empire he signed a three page legal document known as power of attorney that enabled ebstein to cut checks hire people sign checks buy and sell properties and borrow money He gave the keys to his empire and what's really interesting about that is in two thousand twenty after this has gone down like a letter to elbrand employees following that he was never aware of the illegal activity. Charging abstinence latest indictment well i mean that's total bullshit because it ever palm beach police arrested for multiple counts of child abuse in two thousand six,

48:22 What's your ostensibly severed his connections eighteen months after the fact what does spider reported two thousand seven rupture one of x is charitable foundations received a fifty six million dollar infusion. From a trust linked to mr abstein and two thousand eleven western also claims that he discovered everything in bed so that quote unquote vast sums of money from him in two thousand seventy never notified the authorities So here we have someone that's wealthy and what's interesting I got a hold of a 1999 Columbus Ohio police report, and it was about an attorney named Arthur Shapiro who was assassinated gangland style in broad daylight in Columbus Ohio. A gunman came up to him and put two bullets in the back of his head now that police report

49:17 Discuss persons of interest and shepard was an attorney for the law firm that handed a lot of limited legal work. And of course, that's what is baby delimited all ever can be finch victoria secret all those companies and this police report said that. What was your was a person of interest in the side also said he had connections to organize crime Specifically the genovese crime family so what's kind of interesting about this is that she for the columbus police ordered to report to be destroyed. What was it destroy because i ended up getting a copy of it and it talks about frank walsh of wall street. Moved like ninety percent of the limited merchandise,

50:15 And then there was an article i came by in woman's wear daily that discuss that how close wexner and walsh trucking was. Walsh in fact ninety percent of the limited merchandise and then from the burger county record i found a six nine nineteen ninety six article. That said was described as an associate of the genovese crime family by federal investigator also pleaded guilty to two counts of mail fraud for false fine loan applications that added three million bank loans so Here we have less waxner and he's got a conduit right to the general family with frank walsh what's really fascinating about that is in my talk about this earlier is, i mean i'm extrapolating but if you can watch your match. In the eighties and nineteen ninety one

51:11 What's your gives everything complete power of attorney. Where is the entire apartment you have seen the keys to the kingdom i mean why would he do that he is known as a true businessman, why would he give a guy who is kingdom that is on for maybe five years and then we also find out that yes all these connections organized crime show There's no way that i'm seeing as a college dropout from coney island blackmail like what i mean there is just no way, the only way i can see could have blackmail powerful men and people like western live to tell the tale. What are these power brokers were aware that you had the backing of a powerful group around and according to vicki ward article it was intelligence.

52:06 Dang well that's definitely a fascinating thread the last wexner connection is probably one of the strongest and one of the ones that kinda speaks to having access to a lot of young beautiful women yes i mean there's also that. But i was getting women who is in business with a model agency that was run by louis brownell who's also a pedophile and everything was getting. Girls for the modeling agency in addition to the girls that had fallen through the cracks and there's accounts out there that is buying actually buying young girls in eastern europe so it was getting girls from

52:51 A number of different places not only girls that phone to the cracks and miami but through this modeling agency. Run by luke brown now and if these accounts are true then he was also buying your roles i mean outright buying them in eastern europe yes that's quite curious and that is something that comes up in the speculation around child trafficking networks that the, Kids are being picked up and trafficked from third world countries like Haiti. There are people who have tried to loop in other high-profile suicides to be related to this kind of thing, and let's talk about that petition a little more I know you mentioned it but it's also good to hit these things at the end of a show as well And it is a change.org petition What would you like to see from people that are listening right now?

53:49 What we need is signatures on that petition. I would like to talk to people that are connected to anti-trafficking organizations, that have any kind of connections to anti trafficking organizations because i have a feeling that no one really wants to be the first one to commit to this. I think they all know The ones that aren't dirty know what kind of miscarriage of justice this is. So I would really like to talk them and i think that once we start getting organizations that would want to be involved, I think it could have a snowballing effect. I agree with you are there any groups that are worth mentioning the have been willing to partner on this?

54:34 Not yet no none wow i'm just trying to get them to sign the petition at this point. Yes such a basic thing and of course i do have to ask i mean with such huge power structure, I mean, i signed the petition but im also a bit cynical about it. It is one of those things like what else can we do kind of like voting its good to vote but it doesn't necessarily seem like has that much integrity in the system but is there anything to be said about a petition for people who are just maybe cynical about that working? What would you say to them sign anyway well here's the thing i'd like to go back to dr seuss on this one horton hears a who

55:22 There were a lot of who's that had to get together and make their voice known so the elephant horton wouldn't step on it. And if we can get enough people together, we can change if there is enough people that demonstrate in washington dc and other cities we can get things to change. Here's the thing are you familiar with mark true true scandal in belgium? A little bit pretty dark one if I'm not mistaken Yes, it was a lot like Franklin. But it was also like Epstein because it was right out there in their faces and tens of thousands of Belgians I mean, I've heard that it's up to 200,000 hit the streets and protest because this pedophile network that do true was involved in was being covered up and they just Hit the streets if we cannot do that in the United States. I feel sorry for us

56:22 If we let William Barr cover up the molestation of scores of victims and scores of perpetrators, and we do nothing? I mean...I just can't conceive that. That's why i'm involved in this We have to have a response. We cannot let the government and William Barr cover this up, we have to hit the streets like the Belgians if we don't mount a response like the Belgians and at least hit the streets I really feel sorry for us

56:59 i really feel sorry for this country if it cannot do the right thing here. I agree and it was a little easier to hit the streets when we booked this and im hopeful that will be easier to hit the streets again in the future but we are window where i guess thats just not possible, and that is curious and unfortunate well we had some good momentum going with this and then all of sudden the brakes just got put on so Yes, that's truly unfortunate what's happening now because we had momentum. People were signing the petition I was slated to meet with some anti-trafficking groups and now everything is just on hold because of the coronavirus. Yes but while people are sitting at home you're right there sign that petition and hopefully we can take this up a level when uh the dust clears

58:01 What is the thing you have an opportunity to at least register some protest but the government allowing for the most station of scores and girls and not doing anything in fact covering up the last station you can just put your signature down and. Register your disgust by that it's just something that hopefully One's conscience would drive them to do is just simply write their signature on a petition that basically is trying to open up a cover of much of chanel. Because these guys there rich but they're ultimately channel i mean they are all channel and we cannot let the fact that it might have power they might have wealth deter us from seeking justice because

59:00 The bottom line is there charlotte's it's true it's just that simple and if the internet can muster up a hundred thousand signatures to re cut star wars movie. It would be sad that we couldn't get that many for something so serious yes, i've seen that i mean like i saw the kobe bryant petition get thousands and thousands of signatures what were working very hard to get a thousand. So it's kind of unfortunate, I mean but that's where Americans are at now but they just have to take a step back and seek justice on this if we cannot do that if we cannot seek justice as and everyone knows that Jeffrey Epstein pandered these young girls the power brokers I mean just about everybody knows that and if we can not get justice for these victims

59:56 I really feel sad for America. as will I, and there are tens of thousands of people hearing your voice in mine right now. I am hopeful that at least a good several thousand will put their names on that petition. What are we doing here? If you can listen about it if you're interested enough to hear us talk for an hour or two its five minutes to write your name on that petition and when this all blows over the coronavirus thing at least alternative media something to cover when it comes to abstain they might wanna cover it they might feel that they covered everything but if there's a petition out there with a hundred thousand signatures that gives them something, do report on you know what i'm saying not only that but. The more people we get involved the more people can show up and demonstration and weekends speakers want we can be a lot of who is

1:00:57 and hopefully Horton will hear us. William Barr is very dirty, and like I said earlier he covered up the Franklin trafficking network now he's working on covering up the Epstein trafficking network but he's done a number of dirty things in the interim between covering up these two trafficking networks so A guy like William Barr shouldn't even be in government really He should not be our attorney. He should not be the highest law enforcement officer In the United States of America someone with his track record It's true it's mind boggling how it happens sometimes but hey i'm happy to lend this platform to such a serious issue when i can, when you finish that next project i'd love to talk about that if you talk to any victims in the saga who feel as if they're not hurt and wanna tell their story i am open to it.

1:01:48 But Nick, it is always a pleasure. I do appreciate what you do really noble of you to keep pursuing this thing and your passion is contagious You've crafted one hell of a legacy And I hope we can add some names to that petition get these people the justice they deserve because they've been put through the ringer Thank you Greg. It's great talking to you again. You got it? Thanks for your time Keep fighting the good fight out there Okay man Whoop there it is guys rolling out the red carpet today for one of the greats in this world i've got so much respect for nick his dedication to justice and his rigorous journalism. Is pretty unmatched actually in this pedophile network exposure space,

1:02:35 In fact we use the franklin scandal as an example of a child trafficking network embedded in the system all the time it's pretty much exhibit a. And we know a lot less about it if it wasn't for next work and no doubt it was very risky work to do when he deserves all the praise and attention, we can throw at him in my mind So it's been really great to see him sort of reemerge so aggressively on the ebstein situation. And i already know we're gonna have some comments that say g a change dot org petition that's our solution and my rebuttal would be well what are you doing that is better than that,

1:03:18 Believe me, I'm a little skeptical but like i tried to point out in the show it's about volume. Like let's be positive when numbers cross certain thresholds they're pretty hard to ignore and at a minimum you'll see journalists writing about the petition if it has enough support. I'm sure everyone has their own ideas on how to get justice but in situations like this it's best to have a leader tip of the spear so to speak and they very clear defined. Organization is important in this case i think nick has earned our trust and support he's taught us a lot about these networks and then response i think we should repay him by fulfilling his call to action despite any cynicism out there,

1:04:09 I don't see a better option within our collective means for getting the Epstein network back into the conversation. We're really gonna have to elbow our way in there given how much air this virus has taken up, so sure it might be unlikely but the system is trying to shut this out So any attempt to reignite this fire is a bit of a long shot right out of the gate And it's tough to get large groups of people to do anything because we think, oh he is not talking to me other people are gonna do it so I don't have to do anything. But I am asking that the tens of thousands of listeners that we have sign this petition and share around. I hope we can show Nick that THC is worth his time and that he's talking to an audience that cares

1:05:00 As he mentioned, he has a hard time getting advocacy groups to get on board with this. So let's show them what kind of people we are! Please click that link in the show notes or check my social media and let's make it happen It is kinda hard to avoid on podcasts like this but I don't think we have that many calls-to-action around here honestly specially ones that are so easy and in this case i do care more about you signing that petition than I do, you sharing this interview even both would be nice but im gonna bend the knee to nick on this one. And im gonna take his lead cause it just seems like the minimum we could do to show just how disgusted we are with the injustice here

1:05:51 I will say i have seen a decent amount of posts highlighting the civil unrest around the world and the protests going on in several pockets of the planet right before this nearly worldwide ban on leaving your house. And that's compelling but im sure it was just a happy accident for the big machine and its likely that this is gonna roll out either way It's also funny that when you look at the presidential election, pretty much the only thing Bernie and Trump have in common is the passion of their supporters and the massive crowds that they can gather. Meanwhile, the establishment creeper Joe Biden can't seem to attract any crowds so it's easier to jam him down America's throat at a time when we're not allowed to gather into crowds at all! So another happy accident

1:06:43 We're in pretty strange times, but this virus story is not the only thing going on in the world. And we should pay a lot of attention to the surrounding context and also bring back some space in the cultural conversation for stuff like this before it gets swept under the rug entirely I also appreciate Nick's discipline to not speculate too greatly on some of the things i asked. How could I not ask, but at the same time, I'm willing to accept a...I don't know for sure? Kinda relates back to what Richard Dolan said about being aware of his position and he has to be very careful what he endorses He doesn't want to discredit himself by getting too far out into speculative territory

1:07:31 And lucky for us, I don't have that problem. So i'll let it rip and we'll see where it goes sometimes But again big thanks to Nick Bryant! It was a pleasure to talk to him again And in higher side news, you might have noticed some small changes to the website. I know most people just listen through a podcast app or something and don't use the website but if you do, you might have noticed that it's a little different looking and most of the work was done on the infrastructure or the architecture of THC and THC Plus under the hood where you wouldn't notice it because we did try to keep the design mainly the same. I think people have gone through enough change with THC in the past year

1:08:13 But those listeners who do know a little bit about development and marketing companies probably understand that when the company I was working with sort of screwed us last August, all the work they did on the site was custom code which makes it really hard to work with after you fire them. Well i do have a talented and trustworthy IT guy now who's done the hard work of basically cloning the look at the site but building in a much more modern and customizable open environment. Also, I think some of the recurring problems we've had with some people's Plus accounts here and there that we haven't been able to figure out they tend to relate to this custom code and just all of the plugins and bloated outdated add-ons i've used over last 10 years of managing all this myself

1:09:03 So my man cleaned out all that old stuff, updated everything and now the subscription management software system and the podcast delivery system that I use which are supposed to work together. Now they actually can work together without a bunch of unnecessary custom code shoehorned in there I know some people experienced a new issue as a result of the switch and that's just because i've made so many manual changes to the database, that when you clone a database like that some of the manual fixes don't translate. But if you're having any issue at all just fill out a support ticket and me and my guy will get back to you right now it's all cleared out

1:09:47 And I've taken care of everyone. So if you are a Plus member who for some reason has seen the free show, it's not the site. It's not systemic. It's an isolated problem and i can fix it for you but i have to know about it first But I'm breathing easy this is a huge huge relief and I'm finally out from under the influence of that company that shall not be named entirely Remember how a good chunk of plus shows were put on the free feed and then the free feed was taken off iTunes for awhile? I mean, they screwed me about as bad as they could. And I got almost no money back but we have made it to The Promised Land and now we can start adding features and making things as nice and easy-to-use as possible But you do kind of have to rebuild from the ground up to do that So we're here now

1:10:40 If there are website features you'd like to see, I'm open to them. Probably best use the support ticket system for that too rather than emailing me directly but we'll put it on the list As for the joint session this month, usually they're always on the 20th or 25th of the month. But this time it's 4-20 versus a Saturday night so we're going to split the difference and do this one on April 22nd! Mark your calendars and grab the link from the front page of the highersidechats.com I also have to say thanks to you guys because we've seen a huge uptick in Plus members. Granted, I've been a bit more active We pumped out a few good shows in a row Plus members also got that two-hour video chat with Gordon and I've recently been on other shows which probably helped as well

1:11:32 I also gave out that seven day free trial on Facebook and Twitter. Can't discount that either, but long story short i know a lot of people out there are worried about their economic situation all this so to sign up now means a lot to me and I am also so much better positioned than a lot of people that I know but it doesn't mean that I'm also not a bit worried So it's meant a lot to see those subscriptions go up and my stress level go down. It made it a lot easier to... Go to work, so to speak I appreciate you guys so much! I hope that's obvious. Not often we have a big operation hit us like this and I didn't have shows prepared for it But I hope you're impressed with the ones we did scramble together And of course were not done yet We are going to have a mix of related and unrelated topics and I think thats the way to do it

1:12:28 If you feel like the news is moving quickly and you're wondering where my head's at, My endorsement of John Rappaport at NoMoreFakeNews still stands. Del Bigtree is also doing great coverage on The High Wire And even though I can't seem to land an interview with Rappaport right now Some listeners have pointed out just how relevant his last THC appearance actually is and that was when I talked to him during the Ebola situation. And there are a lot of parallels now, so maybe check that out if you're interested! The website now has a section of new shows and a section of popular shows, so you can actually see which ones are being brought back up to the surface because of the climate out there...and this John Rappaport episode is one. Clive DeCarle is also another one that

1:13:23 sliding through there on the slider. So it's just another nice feature that we have on the website and lastly when it comes to this episode in the second hour, We talked about Nick's thoughts on Pizzagate Jerry Sandusky and suicides that have been speculated to relate to child trafficking Got Nick's thoughts on how far back these networks really go special prosecutors And their power over a grand jury how this injustice works in the courtroom some strategies for seeking justice, and a little bit on Epstein's properties and some of the things that were found. Sign up for PLUS if you want to hear more from Nick Bryant and all the great guests around here I promise you're going to like it at TheHigherSideChats.com But with that i'm getting out of here we'll get through all this stuff and hopefully be stronger for it and more prepared next time right guys?

1:14:18 Anyway, please sign Nick's petition. Much love! I've done my part. Your move Epstein justice stoppers criminal network cover-uppers and injustices of the so called Justice System You're fucking rude Well they tie that yellow ribbon round the oak tree They've worn out all the prayer in their hall All along thought they were rooting for the home team As they're sent to the game and torn apart We twist this tourniquet upon the pipeline That it carries all the pain in the wounds As we blindly clap and cheer from the sidelines It's clear on a losing streak from the restart And that's where they found me In the cemetery

1:15:23 A smoking gun in my I'm down for the end of them THC The American scream They took that faded ribbon off the oak tree Worn out all the hope in their arms Long thought I was doing How I'm lying in a pool of my blood And that's where they found me

1:16:08 In the cemetery A smoking gun in my From the land of the free Sing with me And that's where they found In the cemetery A smoking gun in my ear Now I'm down from The land of the THC The American scream! American scream!

1:17:03 And that's where they found me, in my cemetery A smoking gun down from the land of the free With me there I can scream