Marty Leeds | Gnostic Christianity, De-Occulting Space X, & The Septenary Cipher

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01:37 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, Hireside Chatters. Doing the thing from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and you don't have to look that hard at the planet's puppet masters to see a lot of strange activity that suggests their worldview has a spiritual dimension that seems quite a bit different from anything we're given on the ground floor

02:23 A constant veneration of Egyptian, Greek and Babylonian gods in architecture, corporate logos and special seals. A numerological encoding of sketchy events with dates that don't seem quite random. Backroom brotherhoods built on strange ritual they don't like to be asked about several other odd indications that a certain attention must be paid to unseen forces, and what seems to be a non-negotiable yet under the radar element of many things going on between the conventional lines. Call it a covert war in heaven, a spiritual battle played out on the material plane or a demon pact for power. But it's certainly not the material atheism that we're expected to see as the one true intellectual ideology and trying to unravel exactly what these secret beliefs are or how to orient ourselves at all of this gets even more difficult when everything is so corrupt ancient symbols have been transmutated and inverted God

03:17 Gods renamed and repackaged in old spiritual systems have been co-opted, captured and trojan horsed so many times that truly untying this Gordian knot of good an evil is a task too complex for most people. But thankfully not when it comes to today's long overdue returning guest the author teacher preacher podcast host musician and documentarian Marty Leeds! who has recently done the work required to see the light in the darkness and has adopted a Gnostic Christian perspective, recontextualized the deep wisdom encoded in the Holy Bible and written a hefty new 500-plus page book entitled Lord Jesus Christ that breaks it all down from pie to Kabbalah.

03:57 This is his fourth time on THC and we've discussed everything from Gamatria and the numerical code of nature to the flat earth, pizzagate and sandy hook. And I'm sure today will be consistently controversial so let's get into it! The math-a-magical matrix decoder, gamatriaguru, agnostic gnosis seeker and preacher praise be to hee Marty my man how the hell are ya? Thanks for having me on good to talk to you again yes absolutely you know uh The world has changed so much since we did this last in 2017, but what are you going to do? Just a wee bit. Just a wee bit it's changed. Are you navigating all that alright? Yeah I mean we moved from Hawaii. We were living off grid in Hawaii and as soon as the COVID-19 restrictions hit my family is in Wisconsin so we ended up leaving Hawaii and now now we're up north in Wisconsin So its been quite a change but it's good! Were not complaining

04:53 peace and beauty and quietude. And one of the complaints, I guess is that we don't have good internet signal. That's why I'm talking to you in a car right now but we're not complaining about that because we're not getting bombarded by 5G so it's all good Amen, amen. Well thanks for jumping through all the hoops to get us some good audio and thanks for your time you know I love you man but when i learned that your latest book was called Lord Jesus Christ and centers around a deep penetration of the Bible Well, it's not really my favorite subject. But hey! It's not a song about me its a song about you and I want to do this because I like you and I think we can weave a lot of other things that you've covered in-and-out of the overall thing were doing here but let's start with an overview up this book and this ideological pivot of yours because you now refer yourself as a Gnostic Christian

05:46 But I don't hear you talking about the Demiurge and Archons and breaking through our false reality or any of the stuff I hear most Gnostics focusing on. So, I guess describe the book for us and elaborate on what Gnostic Christianity means to you just a properly set-the table as they say Well, the first thing is that's a big issue with like gnosis. It's actually one of things I'm going to cover soon on we do live streams every Sunday so I'm gonna cover that pretty soon exactly what is gnosis? A lot of people get this misconstrued really Is that Gnosis isn't it's not like a religion or anything like that. Gnosis is basically experiential. Gnosis is...I mean its literally defined as a mystical insight

06:27 religious spiritual insight into the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, if you will. Right? Basically what it is is essentially not listening to churches, not listening to organized faiths, not listening to so-called religious authorities and seeking out the truth yourself and confirming it through not only like external but also internal means, right? Using the scientific method in fact is one of the things about Gnosis. So that's really what Gnosticism is all about And that's what I teach. Most Gnostics you'll hear or you'll hear most people refer to Gnostics as you just did, like oh there is a Demiurge and they believe matter is evil and stuff like that. That's actually not really true at all. There are certain Gnostic sects that absolutely have believed in the past but just like there are many denominations of Christianity and many different beliefs and religions, the same thing goes for Gnosticism

07:20 One of the issues I think I've had is actually trying to clear the table with that, you know? Clear the slate with that and give people a new look at what Gnosticism really is all about. Fair enough! Yeah self-directed truth seeker by that broad definition I think that qualifies for pretty much anyone listening. I always liked the Gnostic angle though of an entity that is...I don't know necessarily evil but is overseen the material plane and we have all these little distractions in these ways to get caught up, what we see and think that the material is real and that there's kind of a graduation process to realize that there is more a greater reality beyond the physical that we can break through

08:09 I like that concept overall i think it kind of applies even to your book you're saying look at the deeper meaning the codes beneath. The things are looking at and what they truly mean how they are the fingerprints up the divine and all that so its kinda adjacent Well, I think you know what I've learned over the years. You know, when's the last time we spoke? 2017 it was a couple of years before that we spoke so yeah, we both been doing this for really really long time right and one of the things the conclusions I've come to over the years is that every conspiracy road that if you take it to its very end will ultimately lead you into theology one way or another in other words that when you get to the heart of every conspiracy at the end of the road of that conspiracy It isn't about

08:56 gaining money or that sort of stuff. It is literally about power, which is spiritual. It's a spiritual thing you know? These people are trying to take place of the true authority, which is the creator and trying to make them their you know, the authority over us. That move in and of itself, which goes for every country right now or every frickin governor essentially right that's going on? That's the move that all of these people at the World Economic Forum, the UN and the global elites blah blah blah they're all doing they're trying to make in this sense themselves God So every conspiracy road that I went down at the end of the day, that's where it ended. It was like this is ultimately if you're not having a spiritual conversation or a conversation about man's relationship to the creator, you're not going to get to the end of that conspiracy. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah yeah

09:49 I would agree with that. Definitely a lot of roads lead you to the spiritual, whether you're looking at the symbolism of corporate logos or the organizations some of these people seem affiliated with and the coded language in which they speak. Yeah it certainly all leads to something of a spiritual nature and elaborate on the book a little bit for us because it is 500 plus pages. It's simply titled Lord Jesus Christ What are people going to get when they go through this book and the four sections that you break it up into? Well, I mean, I'll say this. Take everything that you think about. I mean essentially pulls the rug out from under modern Christianity is essentially what it does

10:33 The whole book is intended to understand that religions, first and foremost. So I'm focused on Christ but religions in themselves when you get to the true anagogic or mystical nature of them when you get to what they're encoding beneath them is a high divine science it is a universal ubiquitous science that every everyone can understand, that it has principles that are so simple that even children can understand them. And they're ultimately based on universals things that are universal to all of us one of them, of course being mathematics and so that's really

11:12 The angle that I take in the book is basically saying that first off, everything you think you know about Christianity essentially throw it out the window. And I'll give you one example. The last when I talk about in the book, the last like six live streams I've done which are Sunday services—I'm actually doing sermons and Sunday service now—we talk about how you can't possibly even come close not even close to understanding essentially anything of the Bible without bringing star study to bear on it. And then when you do that, next thing you know, you can make explicit very logical, rational palatable common sense of the stories, myths, parables and allegories that are being told in the Bible. And the reason that you have modern Christianity in the state that it's in

11:58 is because they've actually lost connection to the true nature, the true messages that are within the Bible and the very things. The very keys that would allow them to understand those messages they've already casted out as demonic and one of those, of course being astrology. And when I mean astrology basically what I'm saying a star study not necessarily the astrology that you see on YouTube channels and things like that. We're talking about specific star study So that's essentially what the book is all about and what my teaching and preaching is really all about. It's like, look we need to look at all of this stuff with brand new eyes take essentially everything you think you know about it and throw it out now I don't mean to rant here but isn't that essentially what we have to do with our world in general? It is! I mean I don't know if a single topic where essentially we've had to say okay well everything we've talked about that is bullshit let's start anew

12:53 So I'm just saying that let's do that with Christianity. And that's what the book is all about, right? Well another description sales pitch, I think that a lot of us can get behind it sounds intriguing we do know The Bible is a layered text or with you there and in another interview, I've heard you say that understanding evil 101 is knowing that evil wraps itself in holy symbols and tries to appear as good and I totally agree with And it's why I talk to so many different people with different takes. Some think the elite are reviving a Mithraic cult, some think they've made a dark deal with the Demiurge others say it's a Saturnian death cult and some just think they're Satanists So...I kind of just leave it open and take a you will know them by their fruits approach

13:41 But I agree that it gets confusing because many symbols are reused in good and bad ways. Talk to us about the paradigm you see the elite operating in, because they've deceived us with the globe earth They have taken us away from God with scientism They've encoded 666 into build back up better the world economic forum logo, google chrome and conglomerates like fox but you say 666 at its core is a reference to jesus well they also use the cube a lot that's something that is constantly talked about in conspiracy circles. They put one at the one world trade center complex and we know that the cube unfolds into a cross so

14:26 it gets hard to put certain symbols in a good or bad category. How do you contextualize the nefarious elite's role, their symbology and their use of these symbols that ultimately are supposed to be references for Jesus? This guiding philosophy of theirs I don't see the logic there what can you say about what you think the elite believe and why they use symbols that are pegged to Jesus rather than what we would typically think of as like the beast or something dark that they're referencing.

15:02 I don't know if I've said this on your show before, it's been a while. But this is probably one of the most important things that you'll hear about when it comes to esoterica occult understanding symbolism and it's this Satanists bathe the light in darkness. Let me say that again. Satanists bathe the light in darkness what satanist do is take things that are good holy true beautiful virgin pure and they use them in their own context they They use them for their own symbols. They co-op them, right? They appropriate them in this sense. The reason they do this... It's a very specific reason they do this and as soon as I say this people that are actually awake will know exactly what I mean. They do this so you will never ever go look at those symbols and try to understand what they actually mean

15:47 666 is a perfect example, OK? 666 is the number that if you asked anybody and their brother. And as you just said, you see a lot of these corporations and stuff like that utilizing this. If you ask anybody in their brother what does 666 mean? That's a number of the devil it says it Revelation 13 18 right? Okay well essentially what these scare mongers fear monger have done has played on that played on that emotionalism Okay, yeah. Revelation 13 18 absolutely does say so you know here's wisdom let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast is a man his number six hundred three seven six we all know that right it's not a chapter later where it says in revelation I think it's 15 like fifteen one two three there where it says that there were people that actually slayed the dragon they actually conquered the devil and had control of his name over his number over his mark

16:38 And they were actually standing on the sea of glass and they were singing the harps of God. So we're told, and it's been shown to us that 666 is this number, it's evil stay away from it. It's a signal of the devil. And yet the Bible is actually telling you to go conquer that number And the people that did conquer the number are actually sitting with Moses and the lamb in salvation. This is what it says specifically in Revelation. Now, my issue is that I grew up in the Bible Belt Wisconsin right? So I've been hearing this stuff my entire life 666 is the number of the devil and yet not once have I heard any religious Christian ever tell me about revelation 15 where it says specifically you're not supposed to fear that thing You're supposed to conquer it

17:23 And when you do, you get rewarded with eternal life. So the point is that whenever you see these corporations wrapping themselves up in this symbolism and they're actually very successful with this, they do it to keep you far far away from ever understanding it. Let me give you another example. There's a pentagram, you'll see the pentagram used all over right? Like Texaco and that sort of thing and then of course we'll see oh the devil or Baphomet or something they'll have an upside down pentagram with this and so I don't know how my entire life i've heard pentagram that's a symbol of the evil that's what you know that sort of thing The pentagram encodes the ratio of phi the golden mean the golden section So the perfect pentagram is geometry which is ubiquitous in universal

18:10 And it actually encodes a pattern of growth, which is found on inanimate and animate objects. It's found all over the living world. And so here if we would listen to if we would go full retard, if you will, and just believe every dumb thing we've heard on the Internet, well 666 is evil or the pentagram is evil. And yet these two things, the pentagram 666 are actually expressly and explicitly telling you about divine things Right. Yeah, I'm with you there when you go back to these Symbols and their initial sources a lot of times it's pagan stuff which is really just observations of nature or with 666 It's the angle of an equilateral triangle it Is just these base things that are built into the architecture? Of the way nature unfold similar to pi which you know intimately well And there's nothing

19:03 innately evil about they're just symbols is very neutral kind of stuff i would say and, they seem to just use it for i guess their own purposes but the conventional logic is that. The symbols are dark because they're pulling power from these symbols and using at four all there dark stuff what is the way to recontextualize that is the logic that they're just mocking god with these symbol uses Well, in many respects. Yes. I mean just like they mock us right? I mean, I don't think there's a person listening here that wouldn't agree with that You know when you mock humanity That's really what you're doing is mocking God That's exactly what they do with these things Like i said They pervert these things They distort them They flip em' They invert em', okay And they put him into context so that you will never investigate them

19:55 A lot of people will say things like this, you just mentioned like, oh it seems like pagan things or whatever. This is nature right? So we sort of put these I don't know what do you want to say adjectives or whatever qualifiers on these things right well the pentagram isn't owned by the pagans or the Christians are the Muslims are the Jews or they atheists or the agnostics The pentagram and hexagram and a cube This is all geometry Plain and simple, geometry is something that expressly comes from nature itself. We learn math and geometry from nature Math and geometry are universal and ubiquitous. They're available to all peoples, anywhere at any time of place it doesn't matter where you were born when you were born what language you speak right? So when you see evil people using this stuff What they're doing is flashing that they are in control of or they have a mind of divine knowledge sacred knowledge And guess who doesn't know that stuff You and I Or least didn't Right Yeah

20:52 Then I said, and one of the first podcasts we've ever done was talking about math. And I said this many times. So when you talk about universality ubiquitousness, the fact that math and geometry is universal to all peoples and actually tells you about the structure design order at your place in role in the creation then one of the first things we talked about was like hey, you know what? Everybody hates math, right Greg? Yeah. It's one of the first things we talked about everybody had ever talked to I'd start a live stream like or podcast like this and they would say oh i'm not very good at math oh I hate math oh math sucks huh I wonder why that is because there's answers there There's truth there you know and it's actually a universal truth And when you get to universalities when you get to those things that are universal You're talking about ultimately

21:43 God, you're talking about a creator that has brought those things. And that's why they're universal to all peoples. Yes fair enough and so a big part of the new book is this motif of six and one and I am a big fan of this When I learned about the foundation of general occult philosophy, they say that in the beginning God or consciousness existed in a single point and then with its awareness expanded up down left right backwards and forwards. And this is the six directions around a single point idea. This is God created the earth in six days, resting on the seventh. This is the square and compass with three points of the compass looking up and out and three points of the ruler pointed down and out

22:32 and a G or a 7 according to the cipher resting in the middle. This is the seven chakras, three up three down in the heart in the center it's the Star of David its the menorah It's the cube unfolding into the cross I find all that really interesting! Its also the Lakota symbol that I learned from you To me it says in the beginning we had this foundational understanding, God or consciousness expanded itself out in all directions and created everything. And so many different ideologies have branched off of that and in many cases lost the initial meaning. Basically the Bible and the occultists seem to have the same foundational ideas as how the material plane came to be I mean do you think that's fair to say?

23:18 There is only one truth, you know. There's only just the truth so when people go to the truth depending on who they are when they are or when they were born what language they speak their cultural pretenses all that sort of stuff Let me say it like this. The number 7 is always the number 7, it's never going to change It's always a prime, its always has its divisors 1 and 7 if you add one through seven and look at the triangulation of number seven it's always gonna equal 28 If you square the number seven it will always equal 49 right? Now, when you look at the English word of seven it's not the same as the French word. It's not the same as this Spanish word right? But the number 7, the qualities, the attributes how we experience is absolutely the same so one culture might say sieben and another culture might say sept and another culture might say seven right? And they'd say well look they're talking about different things No their'e not!

24:09 Okay, so what I'm trying to do is what I call or what has been called is look for the golden thread. The thing that connects all of these things and that's essentially cutting through the veil or the garment or whatever and getting to the core of it okay? And so That's really what this is all about. I don't even know if that was answering your question but the six around one is once again a It's a ubiquitous thing. It's in the cube, it's just something that's in the natural world." And then somebody will say, oh, it's a cube? Oh, that's the Satanist and things like that. Then I say well if you actually go to Revelation, this revelation, I think it's 1621, it says that God is a cube. The city of God, the holy city of light, if you will, is a cube. Its base is four square and its length and height and breadth are equal. That's a cube

24:59 So the interesting thing is, and that's six around one. Right? And so the interesting thing is when you talk to people it's like oh the Q that's all Satanism! That's all satanic! And then I said well that's God in Revelation now The funny thing is as you'll hear Christians say And really, why is God a cube in Revelation? Because of just what you said. Up down left right forward and reverse and there's a resting place and that resting places in the center view and that is where God is. This is the great occult revelation in many respects. People once again Christians hear occult and they're like evil magic Satanism. What does it say?

25:36 The glory of God is to conceal a thing and the honor of kings is to search out a matter. I think it's Proverbs 25, 2 or something like that. So the glory of God is to conceal a thing and the honor of kings is to search out a matter accordingly we're supposed to seek out the occult as Christians. Yeah yeah it's true! Wonder why such an emphasis on this text i mean i understand that it has some ingrained truths that are eternal but also a lot of other stuff and this book is been written in rewritten. It's had councils who determine what allowed to go into it and what's not its been translated several times and i know you've addressed this cuz u talk about,

26:24 valuing the underlying eternal truths and disregarding the histrionics of the whole thing, of this book written by men. Talk to us about how you really separate those two things out because they seem very intertwined to me unless we're talking about numbers and stuff specifically but it seems really hard to unravel one from the other Let me try to tackle it this way. I did something that is completely different than nearly everybody my entire life, I've heard basically people say the same sort of thing and I did something that was completely different and I did this with the language our own language as well as other languages

27:04 but as well with the Holy Bible. And I didn't say, oh well this is the history of the Holy Bible because as you know, I don't trust history at all if i was to trust history then I guess 19 hijackers and a dude took down those two towers three towers whatever it was right? You know if I have to trust history then I guess Kuf 19 and everything that they've told about us is true because that's what's going to be written in the history books Right. You know, if I have to believe history then I have to believe all the lies they told us about World War II and World War One in Vietnam right? History is the set of lies agreed upon as we all know so what I did is when I hear people say oh the Bible has been through this transition and this was added and this was taken out there's these councils... In order for me to trust that history I'd have to trust the history I've been told which I've learned it's bullshit! There's no way I can trust that history

27:49 So instead of doing that, and this was a long time ago that I did this. But instead of saying, okay, this is the history of the evolution of our alphabet. This is the history of the evolution of the Bible. I'm going to say just to be honest and everybody would have to say the same thing if they're actually honest with themselves. You have no idea! I have no idea where English came from, the changes it actually made. The Bible the same thing. I don't know if there was actually a council that got together in 432 AD or whatever. I'm supposed to trust 1500 years of history now? So what I did is I said okay, I don't know what our alphabet is and I don't know how it was formed. I don't know who formed it and I don't know if it was just a cobbled-together mess. And I don't know who wrote the Bible. I don't know how it was formed. What I'm going to do is I'm going to reverse engineer it

28:33 So I'm going to start and look at the thing in of itself and say, can I use my own intelligence? My own discernment and critical thinking skills on my own years and years of studying classic works of literature and things like that. Can I reverse engineer this thing and see if there's something in it from there and not start from a history that I don't know and then proclaim what it is So in doing that, it allowed me complete freedom to actually look at the thing and say, OK. Well for instance is the Bible structured right? Can I step away from it and say I don't necessarily know what the stories mean. I don't know necessarily what these characters are and things like, but can I look at the Bible almost as a mathematician and see if there's structure there? Well one of the things you can do is absolutely show that there is 100% however the Bible has come to pass. There absolutely is a structure to it and it could be proven mathematically so I'll just give you this one little anecdote we can talk about others if you'd like but Psalms 118 8 is the center verse in the Bible and it says

29:34 I mean, it's better to trust in the Lord and give confidence in men. Which is a pretty good line that if you trusted God to give confidence demand its Psalms 118 8 well there's 594 verses before that verse this is the center verse of the Bible and there's 594 verses after that well that means that if you add five ninety four to find any for that's one eighteen eight Okay, and so this is the very center verse of the Bible. So knowing that the chapters are different lengths that the verses are to you know The different amount of verses there's an Old Testament in New Testament when I look at something like that That tells me

30:10 It's glaringly obvious that this is not accidental. This is not just a cobbled together mess of a book, this is not just taking this out and putting this back in whoever has decided upon the authorized King James Version specifically down to the mathematics was insanely precise, insanely precise like I said there's a bunch of other anecdotes or whatever I could give but that's just one of them you know? That tells you that not only the beginning to the end to the very middle was all set up at least mathematically to be perfect OK, so that's a little different take than I've seen anybody else do because I didn't say. I know what's happened to this thing. I know the history of this thing. I don't but I can tell you 100% that it is absolutely encoded and it's perfect in its design. Well, that's good.

30:59 Argument i would say for sure and like i mentioned i want to weave in and out of some other work you've put out since we last talked one of those things the documentary called me need to talk about the jews that seems like maybe second hour behind closed doors talk to me but another presentation i found really interesting was the d a culting of elon musk. Elon being an anagram for Noel, funny enough. A false god of sorts we could say he wants to blanket the sky with 5G satellites put a neuro link in your brain and jet off to Mars Clearly a flat earther such as yourself is going to take issue with SpaceX and the satellite thing but in your presentation you say that

31:42 entire SpaceX organization is an occult group using Egyptian mythological themes and that their launches are dark occult Antichrist rituals. Well, I'm into that talk to us about some of this stuff in your thoughts on SpaceX and Elon Musk SpaceX was originally called Space Exploration Technologies. OK, so before it became SpaceX space exploration that's an anagram for Set. Now set in the Egyptian pantheon of course we all know the sun sets is the antithesis of Horus and Horus would be the Sun God Now, I relate this to Jesus and in a whole chapter and why it's so important that Christ is understood as the son God. But that's different conversation. But you know, it's not like some big mystery that JPL and NASA have had their fingers and their little toes in the occult. Right? I mean there's no question about that. You've probably had how many people talk about that on your show

32:35 Well, space exploration technology is not something like independent organizations. Like he was just this maverick intelligent guy that just made his way now. This is some bullshit. It's the same thing. There's no difference between NASA and JPL and JAXA, and SpaceX it's the exact same occultists that are not working on behalf of humanity that specifically work on behalf of what we could call father time or the antithetical force down here if you will to God if you will. And that's what space exploration technology is all about They literally named their organization after the Antichrist God in the Egyptian canon.

33:17 Yes, I really loved that and it goes a lot deeper because they used the Falcon rocket. Falcon being Horus It takes a Dragon space capsule The dragon being Apep which is an Egyptian serpent demon of chaos Takes this Dragon space capsule up to the ISS with seven astronauts seven Of course there it is again sent by SpaceX or set so we do have Horace, Apep and Set all right there. It's a deep encoding of the Egyptian myth now my question is why do this? Well that gets to the biggest conspiracy in the world Do you want to hear the biggest conspiracy in the world You know I do Of course you do it The biggest conspiracy of the world In the World Is to convince man that he is anything but what he is Basically its

34:15 Let me say it this way. The earth, there's teleology, it's purpose driven. The earth was created for a purpose in other words. Your life has a purpose your life has a meaning there is a meaning to existence there's a meaning for you to be here. You're on a very basically what Earth is as the rites of passage for souls to come down here to undergo the process to reunify with God and if you look at the basic core of every religion like true whatever religion that's actually made its way, if you will. If you look at the core essence of every religion, that's what you'll find. At the core of every sort of like spiritual practice and that sort of thing is this ultimate thing that you're on this quest it's a rites of passage in your whole quest is to reunify with God and they, the people in power, the formidable they

35:03 They do everything in their power, in every way shape or form especially through the religions. Especially through Christianity by the way to get you to think anything but that... To get your mind from understanding that you are a warrior on a great quest down here on earth and your journey is to get back home This is the faking of space. This is why they screw with the cosmology, this is why they lie to you, this is why they don't teach you mathematics so that you don't understand universals. This is why they mess with once again their cosmology so you'd understand them universality of the star patterns all of these sorts of things

35:41 So that's what these people, their whole goal is. They understand there is a God they understand that man has great purpose down here that we are divine figures and we have fallen from a great height and we're connected to that height And they're gonna work full time nonstop 24-7 To keep you from understanding that Yeah I mean this is kind of what I always say it seems like Earth is some kind of soul school and those seem to be the lessons that were supposed to learn But I still always ask that one more layer of why. It's like, why is that the quest to go through all this and reunify with God? Is that just because this is God's world and that's what he wanted to do is play out this story from a billion different perspectives? Well it's basically taught like this, that God lost himself so He could find Himself again

36:29 Yeah, it seems like eternity and omnipotency can get quite boring. So then you play the game? I mean when you look at it that way, yeah, like you try to find a reason for why God made... You know, it's the great conundrums in when you study mysticism and even just philosophy, like why evil? What is the purpose of that? Why suffering? Why would God make that sort of thing? then you realize when you go through this whole sort of process is that you need the trials, the tribulations. You need the roadblocks in life in order to we do this anyway right? In order to get anywhere in life, you have to screw up a lot. You have to fall. You have to falter that sort of thing and in essence, that's God's cosmology it's like in this We fell from a great height and he wants us to climb back up And it's the whole The beauty of life itself Is the climbing up

37:19 Do you know what I'm saying? And this is why we love humanity, is when we see somebody overcome. You know it's like everybody loves the underdog in that sense right? When we see somebody overcome and are like yeah man! Yeah right?! Because that's innate and all of us is that spirit to overcome. This is what these people do is they just spend their time making sure that spirit dies so we don't climb The Great Mountain Yeah, yeah. And I'm wondering this is totally off the reservation of where I plan to go with this conversation but are you aware of like the hidden hand material or this idea that certain elite have agreed to play this role that they actually are in service to God? That they on a deep level know that's what their here to do and there making the sacrifice to play

38:10 of the elite and that sacrifice comes with a lot of karmic load. It comes with this reincarnation loop, that's what all the incest and family trees is about This was a piece of material that popped up on a forum where somebody said, hey I'm part of the Illuminati. I'm here to answer any questions you have and it got really deep and dense and it went on for a long time and this is kind of the worldview they presented what are your thoughts on that idea? That the elite actually have a role in service to God to be the pressure that helps us to rise above

38:49 I mean, I guess I don't know because like in that sense. I'm so analytical and I would have to see proof of that you know what i mean? I'd have to see proof of somebody just being like yeah this is what we do Well God isn't all things right Yeah You know... I would say this the people that are in power absolutely know who they work for That's what I would say They know exactly what they're doing They know that their working for themselves which is against humanity It's there own power that sort of thing And to peel the layer back a little bit of the onion, a little bit more and ask why. Well I mean you want the best for your children don't ya? So their best and your best are two very very different things aren't they? An so you can see why a civilization group or elite group or family whatever would try to do this over several generations. It makes perfect sense if you just put yourself in the shoes of a psychopath that is. Yeah thats true!

39:47 I just hear people at that highest spiritual level the real gurus the ones who you know would never eat meat or anything like that they basically talk about what god is in everything and so. God is also the darkness got created the darkest there's nothing separate from god so in that respect they are just other, points of light, of the Godhead doing something different that from our perspective seems evil or wrong. I mean i'm going to get myself in a lot of trouble if I go on but there is a school of thought that says those kind of things I understand where you're getting at now. OK, so to answer that succinctly is that yes God is in everything and everyone this is the unity of God. God cannot be separate. Okay? In this sense and that when you get to the heart of it's all about unity And this is actually where mathematics comes in but...I don't want to go down that road right now

40:42 This is why you're taught to love in Christianity, it's right. You even love your enemy because at the end of the day, the spark that's within that human being that enlivens them and actually makes them go is God now what they do with that? They get the choice and this is where the whole I mean this is the at least biblically this is the serpent in the garden. This is the Cain and Abel story there's lots of things we can go into here but ultimately It's about your will and your choice And what you get to do with that and this is where that hole you know, rites of passage kind of thing comes in is that God's making his list and he's checking it twice. He's going to find out if you're naughty or nice." Okay? This is actually the all-seeing eye of God. The all seeing eye of God is seeing all things and he's seeing how you're doing down here. The all-seeing eye of God by the way people think it's like a Masonic symbol. That's nonsense! I mean, the Masons use it because they are a compendium of symbolism—a library symbolism but that's a Christian symbol and you can find it in Christian cathedrals and in Christian artwork

41:35 But if then you asked a Christian what the all-seeing eye of God is, they'd probably tell you it's Masonic and whatever. Devilry or whatever. And yet that symbol is actually telling you about the fact that God is watching everything you do every thought you have every slight hand, everything you do every step you take, every breath you take. That says God is watching and he's keeping track of what's going on. And so I think the evil people I think they're well aware of the choices that they're making. And I think there, I mean, I would say I know that they are well aware that they are working for the antithetical force down here which I will call father time. Now that's basically it is a Saturn death call it seems yeah but

42:19 Man so let's get a little flat earthy because that the perspective that is not been wrapped here in awhile and i know that it's a big part of your paradigm I'm non conclusive on what earth looks like from birds eye view but sticking with this space x elon musk stuff You do a great breakdown of that event when they launched the tesla roadster into space and it looked very fake even elon is looking at in a press conference as you know, I would say it's real because it looks so fake. You know, It's real because our CGI would be better if this was actually fake So even though it looks very very fake That's how you know its legitimate and is just like he really was struggling to find something to say it seemed cuz it did look pretty wonky and And you make great points that it all falls apart when you think about the details What are these cars made of they have glass and plastic and vinyl?

43:16 Paint and all of this withstood a launch into space Undamaged it doesn't make any sense SpaceX got a 1.6 billion dollar contract to take things to the ISS yet Elon Musk has no aerospace degree at all or any credentials that would have anything to do with this he's the inventor of PayPal It doesn't compute when you dig a little deeper. Also, the speed in which they'd have to go I think is 17000 miles 10 times the speed of a bullet shooting from a gun and we're gonna say that seven astronauts in this little tin capsule aren't affected by the forces involved with all that it really does seem like it's all just a show to encode

44:03 This stuff we were talking about with Set and Horus, and this weird space ritual. You know Chris Knowles says space is an altar? And I believe that more every time i hear something like this Yeah those are really great points it does kind of fall apart What more would you say about just the paradigm of the flat earth and all this attention that's paid to space exploration and billionaire space ventures that's happening right now Well, they're trying to essentially you can see what they're doing. I mean say whatever you want to believe about the shape of the earth at the end of the day, whatever, but when you see like Elon Musk, like you were saying launching a car up there with vinyl and glass believe in space don't believe in space, believing flat earth not that's nonsense just use your head it doesn't matter what you think about the cosmology of the Earth why would you trust anything from that guy's mouth right? Here is another question

45:01 If you owned a space organization, Greg, would you not want to go to space? Of course. Wouldn't that be one of the first things that you'd want to do? So it's like hiring a plumber that's never plumbed anything or an electrician has never electriced anything. You know what I'm saying? It's nonsense. It's absolutely crazy and then you see right now what as you were saying, the media is doing is pushing Bezos Oh, yeah. The Blue Origin went to space with William Shatner." They're trying to make space hip like they were in the 70s and 80s and it worked in the 70s and 80s because we didn't have the technology and there wasn't a great awakening and all this other stuff but they're trying to pull that now and it's just not working you know? And so I don't know maybe it is working. I haven't heard much because I'm in my own little circles but I don't

45:46 Most people do not view Jeff Bezos as a hero. No, not at all I mean You know, I guess Babylon be if they want to you know stroke Elon's ego and have him on or anything like that But then he's like Babylon B Why don't you ask them about that car? That's in space is it still floating around out there? How many miles does it have on it? You know anyway Yeah i would think about all the supposed satellites that are up there and it's like so you can just launch a car and not worry about it coming back down at random somewhere in. Dropping in the middle of new york city but you can't prepare for these things if everything is moving and rotating at these astronomical speeds that were told it is so that doesn't really add up n,

46:28 i guess i would ask you about like jeff bezos versus elon musk are these guys both just kind of in a wwf way pretending to be an opposition or do you think that they're doing various rituals and competing innocence for more potency of said ritual is it all just show is there any real power in, these actions they're taking that involve these manipulated or fake space launches. Well, the whole world's a stage all men and women merely players kind of thing? No I mean it's like to me it's like asking like oh do you think Clinton and Trump are enemies or something? It's like do you really think that at this point? You know what I mean? Like what's...it's like you had Trump praising Clinton's

47:16 During his presidency, when he was telling people like lock her up. Like it's all a show you know it's all theater when it comes down to that so you know It's a big club and we ain't in it let's just say that right? And Bezos is in that club and Musk is in that club if they weren't in that club You wouldn't know of them Right right i guess i'm just asking is there any real power in what they're doing cuz it seems like a lot of effort and is it just an effort made to mystify us and get us interested in space again. This is literally mind control you know when like when you look at, Oh, what do I want to say? The seven hermetic principles. The first one is all his mind. OK. And so if you're trying to control souls getting home to God well the first thing you'd do is manipulate the cosmology that's one of the big things you do so they don't even know where home is right and then the next thing you do is you know you manipulate the cosmology then you fill that person said with all sorts of garbage and nonsense So it's just constantly busy and then you say Well where's the power in that? Well You just controlled god

48:17 Think about that. If every single human being has that spark and ounce of God in them, what bigger power could you possibly have than over the control of the very place where God's souls come down to be reborn? What other power could you possibly have? There is no other power. So I've been saying this for years, in fact, I did a documentary called Flat Earth English Gamatri and the New World Order where I said this specifically earth is the place where souls come down to undergo their what you could call it karmic amendment or, Whatever you want to say, to fix the things that they've got wrong in this world. You know? And these people want to control that process, which means they're in control of the process of souls coming back to God. I think that's a little bit more powerful than money and it gets a little bit more powerful than owning a big corporation or that sort of thing is nothing more than that.

49:13 Fair, fair. Touche good sir and a lot of your work is about the septenary cipher now we don't have the visual reference but people who've listened to you for a long time know this you basically take the alphabet you split it in half and you take both halves and overlay it over the numbers one up to seven and then seven you know seven back down to one and it fits perfectly because that is thirteen digits seven being the one that's not duplicated in the center, and then the six going out in each direction. And it's been the crux of your work forever its peppered and layered throughout this book so many things

49:53 equate to certain numbers through English that it's just uncanny and clearly was done intentionally. It's part of the reason why you say Jesus is 666, because Jesus is 4-5 666 and so you just drop the g which is no again the gene comes back to that same at least phonetically the j e equaling seven and then six six six, so i know regardless for people listening this price sounds like a word soup but you know what i'm saying. Well, SpaceX in the cipher is nine and then X is three. So 93 well this is how Thelemites sign everything so yeah like you mentioned it seems like not much has changed since the Jack Parson days because here again we have an occult symbol baked right into SpaceX and I find that interesting. Well there's a whole section in the book too about

50:54 basically where the cipher's encoded. Okay? And then, so I don't know how many pages it is but to show that this doesn't just come from my mind isn't something i just made up this literally you can find the mathematics to literally create the septenary cipher all over. You can find it in the UN symbol, you can find it in the emblem of Israel, you could find it on the Ouija board and you can use dice to decode it. You can use the opening surah of the Quran. There's like all these things that you can use. The tetragrammaton, you can use your hands, you can use the phonetics of Jesus' name, Jesus Christ etc., etc.. So there are all these ways in which this stuff is encoded and

51:34 I guess this is what i mean by the elite or whatever have hijacked this information they know it, they kind of keep it in plain sight and that sort of thing. And then what they do is make sure that people would ever come to this, they make sure that you're never going to get there. You know another example go to a Christian and ask them what does the Bible say about numerology? Well I could guarantee because i've heard it my entire life oh that's all the devil worshiping and stuff like that right And its like crazy nonsense! You can actually find in a book called Numbers in the Old Testament where Moses is given a directive by God to actually put numbers to name

52:10 This is the problem right now, is that essentially everyone goes to this quote dark sinister thing. That is the elites of the world see what they're doing and then say look stay away from all that and actually the very thing you should do is say why are you letting these people dictate your reality to you? How you understand God how you understand symbols how you understand math how you understand your language why are we letting these people dictate it? We shouldn't Yes. You know? And so what I did is, as I just said you know pardon my language but they can all go fuck themselves and i'm going to figure it out and i'm gonna go in and i'm gonna learn it! That's what I do. Amen It is the Gnostic way. Just one more point about this breakdown you did of Elon and SpaceX

52:54 SpaceX wants to go to mars which is basically saying set wants to go tomorrow's mars being symbolic of war, set once to go to war it's a war in the heavens it isn't a cult ritual what do you think that aspect is all about this quest to go tomorrow as i mean is an analogy for going to war and is it a war with god. Well, very much. Very much an analogy they're always at war with God. Right? I mean that's kind of their shtick is they're always at war with God so all of these rituals, all these things, all these charades and theater that is all to basically theater show in order to keep people locked in that mindset OK to keep people locked into essentially just like I said so that they won't remember who they actually are They won't actually know what they're doing here They want actually know the purpose of earth

53:44 OK, so then like you were just saying. So you have the Antichrist if you will in the Egyptian canon taking the Apep which is this serpent of chaos up to the International Space Station and then he wants to go to the ruling warring planet of Mars? You know it's like if you've dipped your toes into any esoterica at all this should be ringing your freaking ears right now! Yes It's also weird I also wanted to ask you about Freemasons, another thorny one but i see the argument that the organization originally was about the pursuit of knowledge and the preservation of the mysteries when people were being killed for that kind of stuff. But it seems like its been corrupted today or over time

54:29 Of course, a lot of Flat Earthers consider the Freemasons to be the deceivers who perpetuated the globe model. And I know that you made a video about this called Stop Blaming The Freemasons! The Royal Society and the Flat Earth. Can you break that down for us? Who's really responsible for the deception here and what would you say to move the target over to its proper place for people who have latched on to this idea that Freemasons did this? Well, to answer your question first and foremost like I'm not a Mason so There's that. But I've studied masonry heavily for 12 – something like that, 12 years now and things like that. So when you hear the argument of like oh, masonry has been corrupted …

55:08 I make this argument, look at our world. What hasn't been corrupted? Like you can't go to the doctor or you can't send your children to school. You know they're not teaching education so government's been corrupted everything in our world seems to have this corruption and i think it's more of a sign of the times if you will you know and i've talked about this before that i think that we are in a certain age or eon if you will and that that's shifting But masonry, flat earthers. Lots of people blame masons for lots of things and pretty much all the world's conspiracies is the masons. And so I did a video and I was like, well actually if you look at what The Royal Society has to say... Everyone's blaming the Masons for everything but The Royal Society have come out and just absolutely told you that they're behind it

55:52 They were the first organization that spent money to send a rocket, you know the Russians. They were the people that sent people down to visit Antarctica. You know they pushed Darwinian theory of evolution and all the stuff that's backed by that there are of course The Royal Society is today pushing COVID-19 and all this other stuff so meanwhile while everybody's like saying oh well because You know, Buzz Aldrin was a Mason. It's all the Masons right? Well there has been like I don't know 600 people that have been to space and like the vast majority of those people are not masonic you know and then the Masons they'll actually tell you that their masons so i just kind of once again just poked a thorn into the side of truth seekers everywhere it is like look your barking up the wrong tree

56:34 You could let go and the Royal Society, which is heavily funded. All these people that are connected to it that have been super sketchy and shady over the years they've come out and tell you that they're behind it. They had the funding, they pushed out their research, they're behind the globe model everything. And so I made that video and it didn't get well received because people just don't want to be challenged when it comes to that stuff. I guess that's what I'm here to do. Well, I was gonna bring up the Masonic ritual of the moon landing and that kind of stuff. It's kind of intertwined apparently they did that up there And I guess to me it's not really an either or its like couldn't The Royal Society and the Freemasons be in

57:18 conjunction trying to deceive a wider group of people couldn't one have been co opted by the other couldn't certain people who have certain allegiances get involved with another organization and then rise to its top ranks and then steer that organization in a different way. I just see so many interlocking gears to the big machine that I don't try to identify one source anymore, but I think yeah we should throw some shade at the Royal Society. I'm not against that." Well yeah and there's a difference too because masonry is a different thing than the Royal Society because the Royal Society is an actual like organization it's like a centralized sort of organization where Freemasonry is like Christians you can meet one and they're

58:05 Let me say this, like I've met lots and lots of Masons over the years. Right? Casually and then because of what it is I do and stuff like that. And some of them are way into the mysteries. You know there's people that... Like I got a good friend. His bookshelf is huge right? And then there's some that just don't care at all you know? So to say this is the problem I've had over the years. That people want to make this umbrella or blanket statement about Masonry. If you're actually honest you can't do that! You just can't because there are so many different people involved in that sort of thing And I don't know, I don't want to get into this too much because every time I start making talk about masonry, I get tons of hate. But it's not what people think it is that's for sure. I know that for a fact that what people think the Masonry is this organization they all get together and this is what every lodge does and they all stroke the goat and they sacrifice children

58:53 That is crazy conspiracy nonsense. You know, it isn't to say that there aren't some masons of higher levels or whatever that have been morally compromised or whatever. Of course, of course. But I take huge issue with people throwing the entire shade at Masonry just because it isn't what people think it is. That's for sure. Well then I agree with but I guess I would take issue with the identification of masons and having different interest because yeah they're lower level masons i mean there's all kinds of people that have not graduated to these higher levels of a hierarchical structure and some people might not even be invited too if you don't show the ineptitude or you don't show the interest in this symbols ensure keep it guys drinking club.

59:40 And go drink down at the hall, you know. But for the people who get chosen it seems they go up to higher levels and... Who knows that highest level what they're really talking about? I don't claim to know i don't say their kissing goats assholes in that kind of stuff but- I don't know! I can't say that there are force for good or evil I mean knowledge sometimes corrupts people and that Lord of The Rings kinda way you use the knowledge sometimes for greed and power and so maybe they are just studying but maybe, just like the ring or being a sit lord you learn about certain mechanisms in your just tempted to use those mechanisms for your own gain but we don't know what's going on at those higher levels i mean we can really claim anything with any certainty can we.

1:00:31 Well, no. And when I talk about masonry, it's interesting because this is like a conversation of itself because a true Mason actually isn't really concerned with a lot of that stuff. It's interesting because when I talk about masonry usually I talk to people who have never picked up any Masonic texts in their entire life And if I asked them, what is masonry? They would say it's a secret society or something like that. They're never going to tell you, oh free masonry is a science of salvation veiled in allegory and taught and illustrated in symbols. I've never heard that yet. I read masonry just in the books for 12, like I said on an off at least for a decade or more for sure. And that's all I would ever read

1:01:12 That's all I would ever read. There is just the glory of God, embracing humanity, helping your fellow man out being charitable, you do the right thing whether anybody is watching or not—it's all of these things. And then not only that when you read Masonry, they thrust you headfirst into what's understood as The Mysteries and The Mysteries are essentially just the mysteries of being human. What is the purpose of my life? Where am I going? Where did I come from? What is the nature of God When you actually study Masonry and take it seriously, this is all you'll ever read. Now for how many years have I gone online? And somebody will say, oh morals and dogma that's where Albert Pike said he worshiped Satan right? And they'll argue till they're blue in the face. Then I'll just say well have you ever read Morals & Dogma? Could you point to the page where it says

1:01:57 And the one who say, oh it's Lucifer or the light bearer. How strange that sort of thing. The line before it says I despise all the pumps and works of Lucifer and I aspire to God alone That's literally the line before where he saying Lucifer. And so I've been online for 10 years, heard flat earthers and conspiracy people say, oh that's where Albert Pike says he is a Satanist? And I guess my response is can you not read it's like literally the line before he's praising God and talking about how he despises Lucifer What happened guys? You know, like what happened guys. This is the misinformation that happens when we started having the conversation about Freemasonry because basically it's kind of the same thing when you talk to a bunch of people about math that are math illiterate they'll just say well isn't 33 a bad number? Well I'm like then i'll say well what's bad about 33

1:02:49 Right. You know, and then the only reference point they'll have is well masonry or I saw Mark Zuckerberg put 33 in a tweet or something you don't mean it's like, well what can you tell me about the actual number? Thirty three though it's true and then oh I'll just wait while no one says anything this is the issue This is the fundamental problems we have It's true And on one hand, I totally agree with what you're saying On another hand, I think about why you said in the beginning that Analyzing evil 101 is that it wraps itself in good. So to cite charitable works of Freemasonic organizations, public facing stuff and then have the secret stuff we aren't allowed to know about well it makes me a little skeptical but can I stop this? Third rail all this sure. I was going to say this is actually one things I talk about with masonry is that masonry as this is one of the things that the evil people actually do blame on the Masons

1:03:44 We'll blame everything on the Masons. It's the guys down at the lodge, they have the secret meetings and secret handshakes—blame it all on them! And it worked. There is actually a thing in Masonry where there's a long-held tradition by Masons that talk about this called Riding The Goat and it's a euphemism of Satan worship down at the lodge. That's a joke because they can never convince somebody who's already convinced that they're all devil worshippers that that's not what's going on out at the lodge Right. And so and what happens is, what happens is it's a and maybe we'll talk about this in part two of this if you want to listen but it's one of the things that a certain group of people have actually written about that they're going to blame it on the Masons, that there's a certain tribe or group of people and a certain document called The Protocols that specifically say they're going to blame the Masons. Specifically say it. Then I point that out and I'm like well they'll come and say well masonry is Judaism, Judaism is masonry

1:04:39 It's like, oh okay well did you hear that from a rabbi? I mean yeah. I hear what you're saying i just think it's so intertwined that i'm not confident but i'm open to any perspective but i did want to throw this out there in terms of a detail because you cite in one of your videos an excerpt from the all-seeing eye which was written by manly p hall written in 1923 And he had this to say about vaccination. In fact, the section is called The Crime of Vaccination and he says, How much longer will people have to pay to have smallpox? Is the problem confronting a large number of people they send their children to public school and are forced to allow a pedigree concept to pump smallpox into them under the refined heading of vaccination

1:05:27 It has been proven conclusively that a great train of ills, in body and in spirit follow after vaccination. Many vaccinated people have succumbed to smallpox while many exposed to it who have not taken Well, while many exposed to it have not taken it in although unvaccinated the karmic debt for vaccination is twofold. First of our bodies which we deliberately defile with smallpox serum and vaccine secondly to the animal who undergoes great suffering and is itself given smallpox in order that from the ulcers a drop of vaccine may be extracted and pumped into us. He goes on to say smallpox is not a problem if you have good hygiene and a clean diet, and all that." So he doesn't seem like a deceiver to me at least on this particular issue but can you elaborate it all? On the part where he says it has been proven conclusively that a great train of ills in body and in spirit follow after vaccination what spiritual ills is he talking about there

1:06:29 Go ask anybody in the streets of Canada right now. Right? I guess there's a few things to say about that, first and foremost when you look at the history of mystics and occultists like Manly Palmer Hall was an occultist clearly mystic in every sense of the word he'd be construed as agnostic okay then you look at guys like oh who is the other guy um... The guy that did the Waldorf school. Oh Rudolf Steiner! Yeah, Rudolf Senner. If you look at what he says about vaccination once again there's a guy that spoke openly about masonry about how he actually lauded masonry how amazing amazing was him several lectures on it

1:07:07 Rudolf Steiner was totally against vaccination, 100 percent. Just like Manly Palmer Hall, 100 percent against vaccination. Manly Palmer Hall and Rudolf Steiner in every sense of the word would fit the term of an Gnostic, of a mystic, of an esotericism. Well what's one of the things that Gnostics do? They don't trust the churches! They don't trust churches! They don't trust religious authorities They also much like, well as you could see with what Rudolf Steiner's life was all about. He didn't trust the medical institution either. None of these guys did right? And so while Gnostics are getting a bad name while Mystics and mysticism is getting a bad name right then you guys got literally 120 years ago you've got Mystic and Gnostic saying don't take vaccines

1:07:58 We are going to have to wrap this up eventually and before we do, I wanted to make sure that we talked about this other thing you sent me. The unanimous redeclaration of WE THE PEOPLE which you described as a rewrite of the Declaration of Independence. You say that it has been used as a legit legal passport of status that has already been used as an identification to fly stateside. Very interesting, a real immunity passport so to speak but elaborate on this and why you thought it was important to make Well, it's important to make because our God given rights are being taken away from us. Right? I mean that's really what's happening in this sort of like great awakening or whatever that really the knowledge of the inherent rights of the human being are coming back because they've been taken away right and so one of the things that we have happening in this country right now is

1:08:52 Well, I mean they're pushing of course in certain places the vaccine passports in New York and of course that you know they're going to try to get away with that Hawaii and all this other stuff. And that is all done And the only way they can get away with it is because people don't know their inherent God-given rights. OK, and it's something that's really being revisited now because people recognize that the Constitution doesn't give us rights as everybody knows the Constitution is there to protect the rights that we were given by our creator . And this is writ large in the opening of the Declaration of Independence where it says that we are given unalienable rights by nature or nature's god. And of course, it's the first enumerated bill of right where it says, you know, we have the right religion free speech. That sort thing

1:09:33 And so the whole purpose of writing it was to say, well, number one we need a redeclaration in this country of our inherent freedoms. Because that's what's happening right now is that all of those rights and freedoms are getting whittled away by laws and mandates and that sort of thing. And my take was like, we need to wipe all of that clean and get right back to the source. Right? And that would be, of course, the founding documents. So I was like, OK, well, we need a redeclaration of independence. So I took the original declaration of independence and I essentially rewrote it for our time. And I listed like 22 grievances and that sort of thing. And then there's a place at the end that you can sign it that basically says

1:10:09 This isn't like some overthrow of the government is saying we want our government back. We want people that are actually going to uphold our rights." And so, that was the re-declaration. So I rewrote the redeclaration of independence and I included it with the original redeclare or the declaration of independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. OK? And then I made it into a passport size book. You can actually go down get your picture taken just like you would in a passport. It's actually a legal affidavit of status And so the whole point would be to get this document out and that, you know if it ever took. You know I mean you can use it as legal documentation right now but if it ever got viral or something like that It could literally be the answer to all right no more driver's license No more passports none of this I have to go to the government To get my identification So that the government knows who I am

1:10:59 This is actually legal documentation as an affidavit of status that you can go to the, like a bank or whatever notary get signed. Put your picture in there and it will actually work as identification in an airport. And so I haven't flown but when I went through the flattoberfest, I had a person there that actually bought it and used it and used it to fly. They actually got their end back using the documentation that I created And so he like thanked me a ton for it. So just to let everybody know, this isn't just some document that I just shed out or anything like that is actual legal documentation that says exactly who you are, that your living breathing flesh and blood spirit of God and that you're not owned by any corporation or entity, that you have human rights there rights that you will always retain they will never be taken away. You sign that and that's legal documentation

1:11:51 And so the whole point was to basically, you know because they were pushing these passports. I was like no let's push back do you want a vaccine passport? We're going to give you an immunity passport and it's going to be literal legal. And so that's the whole impetus behind the thing well cheers to that very creative and i like to hear that it's worked plus flattober fest i mean talk about branding that's a good one i like it Man, I just...I certainly am intrigued by a lot of the work you do. There's clearly a spiritual dimension to this tug-of-war we have with the elite and it should be highlighted and examined from many different perspectives

1:12:28 In terms of what you have going on, you seem to like I said rebranded your entire online presence from martyleads33.com to the Gnostic Church and Academy of Lord Jesus Christ and you're doing sermons every Sunday talk to us about this and your plans going forward as we're tying a bow around all this crazy stuff we've talked about It's kind of like I said, you know, I've been doing conspiracy kind of stuff even though it was always based in spirituality. You know? Like that was always the foundation but i've been doing this conspiracy stuff for the longest time and I just kinda realized that at the end of the day when you get down to it all leads to theology and so I almost got burned out on conspiracy stuff or anything like that but I just realized talking about this stuff and informing people about this stuff even though wasn't going to gain

1:13:15 a big audience. I knew that, right? It was way more important because they were things that were universal you could get people to actually understand and read the Bible like understand what you're reading. You could teach them about the human body your relationship to God why you're here all of that stuff seems so much more important than wondering what Klaus fucking Schwab was doing. You know what I'm saying? And so that's why i've just focused on the church and teaching this stuff because I don't really know anybody else that's doing it And so that's my focus now. Cool, well do what feels right I guess you know the old satanist motto i guess they had one thing right? Well go ahead! I will say one thing...I mean if you show up..i only basically do about an hour and hour ten minutes every sunday but i can guarantee you will never see anything like it that's my promise to you that you will come away from that hour and you will absolutely know something that you didn't before and then you'll learn something and that's my goal

1:14:12 There you go. Now that's a sales pitch. Awesome! Well, hey it was just great to talk to you again man. You are an OG around here, a kindred spirit I would say and I wish you well on the Gnostic Church any other links or info to give folks before we call it in? No just gnosticacademy.org and I appreciate it thank you ma'am Hallelujah people, that is how we do it. The great and powerful Marty Leeds now a THC episode score of four and five years ago since we last did this but Marty is an OG A kindred spirit And he's always applied his talents to a wide range of conspiratorial and truth-seeking topics without fear His Gematria work has always been great pointing out the ratios in divine proportion in our bodies and in nature

1:15:05 There's always been some God stuff in that part of his work, but it felt more non-denominational. Though to dive in as hard as he did with Pizzagate, with Flat Earth and the Jewish Elite and Sandy Hook... I mean, to this day people tell me that my interview with Wolfgang Halbig was one of my best. Someone even used the phrase that I cemented myself in history with that one! Well, it only happened because Marty made his documentary and then helped me get the interview so Kudos to him, and it was great to talk to him again and help him promote his latest thing. I don't have to tell long-time listeners that this isn't really my thing but i can still comb through the book and pull out enough that sticks out as interesting And that's what I tried to do! And I know there are plenty of Christians in the audience so hopefully you found something to enjoy as well

1:15:57 I mean, i'm never really going to dive into the bible to this degree or the works of Blavatsky or Manly P. Hall...I've read some of the foundational books but I just don't go through them line by line and compare and contrast the way Marty might or it reminds me of the work of Michael Joseph. I think they're both similar in how they've tried to attack this kind of material and really study it and parse through it in an objective fashion, and then I think it's also interesting that they both kind of came away as born-again Christians let's say. Or maybe born for the first time but Christians! They both kind of came away feeling confident that the Christian perspective was the one they wanted to adopt And that's interesting But Marty is doing his thing He seems very happy and fulfilled in a time when people are struggling to find things their passionate about? That's great

1:16:52 His overarching point about evil wrapping itself in light is well taken. Symbols and applications of them are always so inverted and altered It's hard to get anything straight, like the pentagram I don't see that as an evil symbol, i see it as a portal What you call into the portal that's your business but its like a metaphysical tunnel or bridge Its just as neutral as a park trail if you ask me But it's considered evil today because authorities want a monopoly on using that portal. They don't want you to access that kind of stuff, and they wanna be the liaison to your entire spiritual world So even today anyone who is associated with that symbol is demonized The Kabbalistic Tree Of Life seems similar It's just a map of reality It's neutral but I guess it can be used and explored in various different ways That...can go a little dark

1:17:48 But if darkness is a part of our world, then it's going to have a place on the map. Now I'm not so sure about the 666 thing... maybe he's right? It does work in the cipher and if you're working off the cipher as the true key to unravel all this then sure! but when I look at how Build Back Better and The World Economic Forum And The Chrome Browser AND The Bill Gates Patent All contain 666 and Mark Of The Beast language sounds like a digital chip Maybe that's more evil wrapping itself in the light, but I'm not getting near it. I mean even the Monster Energy Drink logo... The three claw marks are really six in Hebrew and always felt like that was pretty interesting because the thing is called monster which is pretty close to demon and it is not good for you And probably the most demonic drink we have in our society

1:18:46 But I like that Marty is looking for the codes and the eternal meaning, and saying that he doesn't trust the history of the Bible. I like that mission but it seems hard for me to dismiss the history of it but at the same time put value in the characters like Jesus you know? You have these conversations and there will be examples...well Jesus says in Mark 3 14 this, that and the other. And it's like well we're talking about very specific sentences now I just don't know and you guys didn't know me in high school or college but i was such a cocky loud-mouthed atheist when these topics would come up that when that worldview was pulled down for me and I was embarrassed by my prior self and how thoroughly I wrapped myself in that identity It taught me not to get too attached to any one position and avoid any and all labels

1:19:42 So I just try to stay pretty neutral on all this kind of stuff now, and i'm thankful for that because it works really well for someone sitting in the host chair on a podcast like this. If you were to ask me about my spiritual beliefs, I would have to say that you just try to do more good than bad in the world align yourself with truth and be your best self And if there's a final judgment that says oh sorry you misinterpreted the symbols or you should have been baptized Well...that's dumb Any god or judgment that doesn't account for how twisted up everything is at this point in the timeline and have grace for people in this mess? Then do what you will with me. To take it deeper, I would expect judgment to be more of a self-directed experience We tend to anthropomorphize everything In fact, I think the idea of God as an anthropomorphized representation of consciousness but

1:20:35 In your life review, you'll know if you've done enough. It will be something so deep in your soul that it's not like you and the judger could ever disagree. It's not going to be open to interpretation. It will be a bio-spiritual measure of if you lived in the light or if you were coasting. That sort of my take on that aspect of it but This is dense and thorough work that he's done with the book, and it is something that Marty has always been consistently impressive with. The level of detail he gets into when he applies himself to something... It's inspiring! But of course my favorite parts today were talking about the de-occulting of SpaceX Space K Ultra we might say? Flat Earth is not my position but I'm attracted to the paradigm that the Capstone Cabal

1:21:29 have gone to such lengths to hide God that they inverted the whole model and invented heliocentrism and all that. It's a bold position, I see the logic in it, and i have a good time hearing people make that case." So we weaved in and out of trying to talk about Marty's next big thing along with dipping into the side threads that I liked most when it comes to work he has done lately And then we did the Jew thing. People have been saying I'm a shill and a coward because i won't talk about the Jewish thing, but honestly it's in the archive. We have talked about it The Talpiot program show was important Whitney Webb shows get into it and In The Second Hour Today Marty let it rip his documentary does not mince words and I don't think it's hateful to say

1:22:16 Hey, you guys have this ideology that says you're superior and we're all trash and maybe that should be discussed. Maybe if you are in a position of power that ideology is going to influence your decision making." It's like I don't have a problem with you but it seems like you might have a problem with me! And even asking that question is forbidden But there are racists and eugenicists of many different flavors in power today if you ask me, so I don't have a problem talking about it as long as we cover the spread. Smart to keep it in the second hour though where it won't get me deplatformed unless I keep explaining myself here but yes other things we talked about in the full episode for plus members would be de-occulting COVID 19 symbolism banned books of the bible layered encoding

1:23:12 Marty's thoughts on Joe Atwell, Caesar's Messiah. Why the Bible is not a history book? He made the point that there are no dates in it anywhere and that's interesting We talked about the Bible-Kabbalah overlap 153 fish As I mentioned why we need to talk about the Jews The Freedom Convoy And the redeclaration of WE THE PEOPLE Crazy that I finally got to talk about the Freedom Convoy with a few guests in this one and in the next one, but by the time these episodes air, the whole thing is over. But we do have some brutal images from The Crackdown and those images speak volumes about Trudeau and his foot soldiers And so we do have that! To me those images help the perception out there and they do change minds

1:24:01 But we'll get more into that next time. In Hireside news, not much to report this week just trying to stay caught up looks like I got a good number of voicemails so a joint session should be happening in the next couple weeks but let's look at the calendar at hiresidemeetups.com tomorrow February 24th is the combined no agenda THC meetup in Colorado Springs! I like it why have two small parties when you can have one big one right? I copied their meetup calendar idea and now we're having joint meetups so i hope they don't mind. Of course this is all listener directed, and March is really filling up! We got nine meetups across these here United States already well eight and one in the UK but sticking with the most immediate march 2nd pacifica California and Seattle Washington if you're in those areas join in on the fun

1:24:54 And if you're not, make your own event. Throw it on the calendar and I'll promote it Again big thanks to Marty Glad to hear he's doing well These times can weigh heavy on a person and he found something he loves doing Pop in for a Sunday sermon If ya think you might be into it And hope it goes well for him I'm getting out of here! I've done my part Your move Christ Concealers Space K Ultra Secret Keepers and Darkness Wrapped In Light Your fucking move This is important, hear what I say. I'm trying to tell you it's not paranoia not in my head It's just the hard truth. Knocked on your door but still can't to ask cause i know your head is still in the sand

1:25:49 Don't be sheep till you're slaughtered for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit we're screwed? It's okay. Use it and wish but we don't have a choice

1:26:41 It seems we're stuck here But you can find nosis Drown out the noise Now use that altar End up your magic game Listen to THC You know, you go with the N-T-F-O Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our c- Can't you just admit, we're screwed I'm gonna take it Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day ya die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo

1:28:22 Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cum- Can't you just admit, we're screwed I'm gonna tell anyways Can't you see that we're

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