Leon Southgate | Orgone, Oranur, Consciousness, & The Energy Cartel

00:43 Well, Serenity Now from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and in the wake of a lot of noise about free energy plasma physics nuclear scientists UFOs and disclosure all bubbling up to the surface at the same time if we're gonna operate from an understanding that one of the most successful mind control operations has been to tweak our knowledge and perception of the world itself to skew towards scarcity rather than an ever-present opportunity to cultivate abundance, then instead of the disclosure dramas and attention teases of the day drip feeding some newly engineered narrative from that same predator class that shepherded our ignorance and crafted this illusion over decades maybe we should just return to learning about some of the principles this environment were embedded in they worked hard to hide.

01:29 The reality of abundant, ubiquitous subtle energy that has been so buried in the knowledge of, so shattered that those who have come to understand it or managed to preserve their cultural knowledge of it still use about a dozen different terms. Qi, ether, organ, prana, shakti essence atmospheric energy electromagnetism or even just the field. It matters less what you call it and more so what you can do with it and according to today's guest Leon Southgate a bona fide organ expert its quite alot Leon started as a nurse and then trained as an acupuncturist, and eventually returned to an interest in organ that went back to his childhood. And has now been doing research investigations and experimentation into organ energy and consciousness for over 20 years! He holds one of only two Masters of Science degrees in the world focused on Organ Energy. And he has not only repeated many of Wilhelm Reich's own experiments first hand... ...and developed some new ones with very curious results

02:27 He's also reorganized all the disconnected and shattered research into ergonomy, going back to the 1930s. Creating an archive of over 3500 articles now found in a single place for the first time via his sub stack Orgone & Consciousness I know i'm ready! The certified orgone expert subtle energy experimenter and reich reviver Leon welcome to The Higher Side Thanks a lot Greg that's great intro. I think there is actually three masters degrees in related to ergonomy but there is only two that are experimental, mine and James Tamayo there was a nurse either in America or Canada who did a master degree

03:11 with ergonomy as a central focus, but it was mainly a psychological or social study. There's only two experimental degrees in the world so you were kind of correct. Kind of correct is the story of my life! Well that was close enough. Yeah well experimental is what matters really because to me with this material so much of it is intellectual So much of it is just conversational and the ideas surrounding subtle energy and this sort of stuff. And is the ether real? But experimental's where the rubber meets the road, and we really need to I think fast-track this to bring it back into our waking life if it's been stripped away. Sure! Um...I appreciate you saying how uh.. I'd done a lot of work to organize the field in inorgonomy because I sweated blood over that. I started back in

04:09 2000, I started doing the master's degree looking at acupuncture and organ. And then about 2004-2005, I did start a PhD at Bolton University but there was some kind of disagreements between myself and the university about going ahead with these cell experiments that I wanted to do. But I hadn't found out my the heart of my inquiry in with Orgone like as you rightly said I was, i'd been introduced to Orgone as a child from my dad who was a psychotherapist and founder of the Institute for Self-Analysis which became an attachment based school. The Center for Attachment Based Psychotherapy uh in North London so

05:04 So, I was introduced to both Wilhelm Reich and Peter Reich his son. What does attachment based mean? Does that mean entity attachment? Well it's something that has actually come through in my work right at the end. The entity attachment is actually quite relevant to my work in consciousness and orgone because there was a guy who photographed auric fields, an English guy. He developed an auric photography and actually saw entities in auric fields and consciousness entities can exist as pure org owners or as pure plasma but going back to the

05:49 the PhD I wanted to do. At that point, I didn't have a clear idea of the exact area within orgonomy i wanted to study so it wasn't until about 10-12 years into my study and the science of orgone but I discovered the missing area in orgonomy which was how does all Orgone and consciousness relate? So early on, swapping right back to what you were saying originally about 2004-5 I start at a PhD. And looking at orgone and i wanted just to answer the question is orgone real? One of the best ways I thought of doing that was looking at cell cultures

06:41 but on the theoretical side I did a year's work at this Manchester University, organizing systematizing the research in biophysical ergonomy like what are the actual studies that proves that organ is real and I wanted to do a new study as a PhD, and look at whether Organa is real. But i'm glad that I didn't do a PhD because I wouldn't be here now if I had. There's a long back story to that. You'd have been thoroughly brainwashed! Well no...I think it's.. I literally wouldn't be here because James DeMio

07:24 Was going to start a phd into or go and cloud busters is msc what actually it was an ama masters anyway. Was that kansas university i need looking at weather clouds busters have a real effect, And he found that they did at masters level and then he did some work in Africa, Israel with cloudbusters later on that would have is beyond PhD level. He could easily made it into a PhD paper but his PHD was blocked by the National Science Foundation I think and if i had gone on to do a Phd it would have been blocked

08:13 And perhaps I could have gotten away with doing a theoretical one, but the problems with the PhD is it attracts worldwide attention. Up until my MSc, I think the powers that be ignored master's papers and after my MSc I've had people contact me saying, I'm trying to do a Masters in free energy and it just gets shut down as soon as i even bring the subject up. I can't even get to the point where I can discuss it and because people knew that my Masters would be read around the world It changed how masters are perceived

09:10 as possible now as it was in the 2000s, early 2000's to do a masters in a controversial area. Interesting interesting and you know I obviously have a lot of value for education and really mastering a craft and subject matter but I care less about the credentials and this and that we know there is quarantine around this stuff so why beat our heads against the wall when the wall is owned by those making the quarantine. It's like, I don't need your validation. I'm gonna go and prove this stuff myself so Just to give people some context, you were recommended to me by Andrew Johnson who I had a great interview with not long ago about Dr. Judy Wood's work and the application of this secret science that we saw used on 9-11 And if he recommends somebody i'm gonna take a serious look and i'm glad I did As we were setting this up You told me that you've heard all the previous interviews i've done about Reich and Oregon and for those who... Yeah, um twice

10:08 Well, I appreciate that. And for those who might want to follow up with some of these older interviews or refresh their memories on the list we have James DeMaio your old mentor who covered Orgone Ether and Cloudbusters primarily Peter Robbins who focused on Oregon in the relationship to UFOs Ryan Peverly who got into the political aspects and the Rikian psychology and just a man himself And then there's Mitch the Organite donor and Organite is one of those things that a lot of Oregon people say they're not all that interested in, although it is the first thing that comes to mind because they see these little pyramids out there. But he makes the Organite devices and tries to reduce and block EMF in kind of a guerrilla way. He's very interesting too but

10:52 Those are the pieces of the Reich puzzle that we have covered in the past and you're not gonna wrap up a guy like Reich in A single conversation or apparently even five But you have said that there's some pieces, some holes to fill in. Some deeper implications We might have missed and That's where you come in And The hole In our understanding is mainly Oronor, which is energized Oregon. And of course you know you have applied Oregon research to consciousness as well but this oranore when I hear you talk about it it is really interesting this is something that Wright got into in the last phase of his life obviously the research continues we go deeper and deeper and he got to this depth

11:37 in a single lifetime, which is a beautiful thing. But it's what I've heard least about break us into understanding what Oronor is? Sure well there are four main areas of the biophysical side of orgone and while on the non-biophysical side you got the biopsychiatry which is hands-on physical psychotherapy that developed out of the electro studies of Reich but then in the biophysical side, body psychotherapy is the proper term that I was looking for. After after the biophysical psychiatry side there were four main areas

12:25 biophysical organs study. It started with the bionds, which are the tiny vesicles that halfway between living and non-living and I think you've covered that pretty well Was it Ryan that covered it? It was pretty good. Yeah, sounds familiar because he would talk more about the orgasm and the sexual nature of the real discoveries though they aha moments Reich had that took him down the path and Bionz is a big part yeah I remember now his focus was on the psychological side but he did cover the bionds as well to quite a good extent. Just jumping back to the academic stuff, it took me all the way from 2004 for like an

13:20 the year of the PhD I did before I jacked it in, all the way up to 2025 to finally finish systematizing biophysical ergonomy. And on my consciousness, on my sub stack there's four articles one is a complete overview of every single research paper on bionds and And then that led into the second area of ergonomy, which is organ accumulators. There's a separate paper on my substack with a complete overview of pretty much every single paper on oracs or organ accumulators

14:06 Then the third area is cloud busters. There's a few different types of cloud busters and, of course there's the Orgonite tower busters which are a fourth development. There was Cloud Busters which were the original tubes that Wrike first grounded into a well and shot at the sky so that he could punch a hole in in the door clouds or the deadly orgone clouds staying over Organon all the time and they wouldn't go. And he used these cloud busters to get rid of those clouds, and then that developed into a whole scientific area in itself of how to even

14:52 It even developed to the point where hurricanes were steered in the 1950s and 70's. And the weather in America would be vastly different if it wasn't for cloud busting, Dr Blasband and a team of doctors did amazing work in Jeremy Eden further north in Idaho I think they did amazing work at if it wasn't for the work that was done by these group of doctors in the States, there would be a recovery from the dust bowl. The US was heading into a dust bowl in the 50's to 70's mostly because of energetic stuff perhaps nuclear perhaps like exhaust from UFOs all sorts of things were

15:42 converging, but the US and Germany's forests would be dead if it wasn't for cloud busting. There was enormous amount of work done in the early 90s with cloud busters so that there has actually been a weather war going on underneath surface. We know that! Yeah and then so that actually led, well kind of Orinol came before Cloud Busters. The cloud busting and I've given it as the fourth phase so again on my sub stack you can see in four sections you got BIONS, ORAX

16:25 Cloud Busters and lastly Orinol. Each one of those overviews will give you a synopsis of virtually every single paper that's ever been written in those areas, but there might be one or two missing but it gives you a pretty good idea because a lot of the research isn't even online. The titles are online but a lot of the organ research is still just on paper Well, the recent stuff is online because there's only one journal publishing actual new experimental evidence now. The Journal of Psychiatric Organ Therapy which is at psychorgan.py as in psychology and organ, psychorgan.com and that's an open access journal but the older research prior to about

17:22 2016 roughly, it's virtually all just on paper. A little bit is online here and there. Well it's a true service you've done, it's the labor of love and it puts a dent in the damage that has been done to our understanding of subtle energy ether, orgone and all this stuff And thats'a good overview of categories I think people who have gotten into RIKE 101 Maybe even 102 or 201. I've been out of college so long, I don't remember how they number these things but you know let's go to this advanced class of ore and if it is radiated orgone or energized orgone...I mean i understand like what that means somewhat conceptually but I have a hard time understanding how it is radiated or how it is energized uh what-what is done to it to put it in this elevated state that requires a new term?

18:17 Sure, well it started off in 1951 but Reich was worried about the Korean war and its effect on sort of civilians possibly like if there was a nuclear exchange. And he wanted to see if Orgone could counteract nuclear radiation and reverse radiation poisoning, but say from a fallout of a bomb or something like that. So he was really worried about the Korean War so he thought he better conduct some experiments into how orgone and nuclear materials interact

19:01 and he had done some experiments already which he doesn't always admit to directly, but he had been working with low levels of radioactivity in his lab since 1939 pretty much. He knew that radioactive paint would change how it shimmered if it was subjected to orgone and he knew too that the radioactive dials on wristwatches like in the 1950's radium dialed wrist watches were popular. Yeah, I want to get into radium when we get there for sure! So he was looking at how orgone might counterbalance radioactivity

19:51 And so we set up an experiment where he had a really strong organ accumulator. He had a room sized organ accumulator, possibly I think i worked out it was something like 22 layers all together So he had a room-sized aurach which is fairly big like a medium size lounge completely covered in sheet metal and within that he had a large 20 layer accumulator a big one like that you could fit a person in. And just for context, when you say layers for people who haven't thought about orgone accumulators in awhile or how this works, orgone is ether I mean it's ubiquitous energy in the air but it is accumulated by layering

20:45 Steel wool and like regular wool or organic material. And so you layer metal and organic material, the more you layer it the more the container will accumulate The ether or it'll build up in there yeah that's right there be you get a directional effect because metal bounces all gone. And organic materials absorbent you got stronger movement towards the center of the device, because they're going from the atmosphere will be for the atmosphere is heading through the device cuz it goes through all materials and it gets continually bounce

21:26 more towards the center than it does towards the outside. So any metal and any organic material layered will produce a preferential direction of organ travel towards the center of the device, and this can be proven scientifically because the temperature is higher inside the device and many experiments have shown that the temperature is higher inside an organ accumulator or ORAC. There is other ways of accumulating it like the organite. I try and bring the organite and the orgone communities together because they've both got valid things to offer each other, but the orgone community tends to be more focused on academia and research than the organite one more focused on

22:19 on gifting and doing practical stuff. But they both got valuable things to offer. Yeah, you would think if this was a ubiquitous energy it would tie into literally everything and there'd be many many applications and we always butt heads and debate and section ourselves off into little camps that's just the human experience right there but I took you off your course You were talking about Wrike had this room-sized organ accumulator 20 layers really supercharged this thing and this is where the story gets into this oranore, or the discovery of it. This heightened state.

22:58 Super strong organ accumulator like really really strong if you went inside it you definitely feel it even if someone wasn't particularly sensitive to subtle energies, if u spent half an hour inside and accumulated that strong you definitely feel. and he was planning to inject radioactive serums into mice, and study the effects on mice but he soon discovered that it would be easier just make the...to find out how the organ reacts

23:38 to radioactivity and then use the energy on the mice rather than a serum. He'd gotten hold of a milligram of radium, I think one of his doctors had managed to get hold of some from Canada because in the early days of radium experimentation or use you could get up It was pretty much an open market from the 1900s to the 1950s to buy radium needles. The radium needles were anything up to 15 milligrams, so they'd gotten hold of a one milligram radium needle which

24:29 Is it something that would come in a light case but let me say if you, if you took out the lead case and left lying around in the room it wouldn't be particularly big deal. I mean did If you had a milligram of radium lying around today, the authorities would probably get anxious about it. It wasn't a huge amount. It was enough to warrant being controlled and it came in a little lead case

25:07 So, Wright put that milligram of radium inside this super strong orgone accumulator and the effects... First he didn't think anything of it because he'd seen small-scale radioactive effects where the organe was stronger than than the radioactivity. So with like the uranium paint or the radium paint and things like that, and the scintillation effects he'd seen in his laboratory in the early 40s I think he was quite confident that the orgone would overcome a milligram of radium quite easily And so no one really measured it for the first few hours

26:00 and then one of his assistants came and said I think we might have a problem in the lab, the Geiger counts are going crazy. And that's when he first knew that something strange was going on but he carried on pushing the experiment for eight days, I think it was and all. And it was only when he was forced to stop the experiment on putting the radium inside the super strong organ accumulator for...I think the first day it must have been in for a number of hours three or four hours before it was taken out when the Geiger counts were found to be very high

26:42 and then subsequent to that it was right carried on putting into the organ accumulator for about an hour a day but then on the eighth day they had to cancel the experiment going any further because there was red and purple clouds inside you could see through the windows of the students' laboratory, the experimental space that there was red and purple clouds. People were complaining of nausea and salt taste on their tongue and headaches and pressure behind the bones of the skull and feeling quite nauseous and all sorts of problems

27:30 what's happening to the people around it. So at that point they got the radium out of the accumulator and people would nearly faint trying to get the stuff out, and they put the radium in the woods I think and that was the end of the experiment, and the mice that had been exposed to the Auronor energy died. There were clouds appearing over the top, the door clouds were appearing over the top of the area

28:15 a radioactivity emergency that went well not an emergency but the New York Times noted that there was a spike of radiation all up the East Coast as far as Canada. So something quite major went on. And you know, some of the stuff we're going to get into is that maybe we've been lied to about radiation Maybe it's not as dangerous as we're told kind of like electricity there seems to be multiple forms of it We are only allowed interact with one form of it The hot form which is obviously dangerous You know with kids I don't want them anywhere near all these damn outlets all over the house

28:53 So they're just like radiation, there might be different versions of radiation or applications that are more suppressed and we're given all this propaganda about it to make sure we never tread there. It can also be other things too and you know helpful in some ways as you've talked about. So, you concentrate ether or you expose it to radiation and it amplifies that or changes it in some way And this gets us into all sorts of interesting areas but I wanted to read something from your sub stack early on here

29:29 Because the issue is always, if this is so ubiquitous and fundamental how can it be missed by basically everyone? And here you lay out a good analogy that explains the state of physics. You say the reason physics is so hard to understand today is not because it is inherently complex but simply because it is missing something crucial in its foundations If one is observing plastic ducks floating in a bathtub, but swears blind the water doesn't exist. Then one would have to make up all sorts of incomprehensible theories in order to explain the behavior of floating plastic ducks." I just love that! You say perhaps mainstream Western physics is directly the result of a conspiracy against humanity

30:15 It is a physics of plastic ducks minus the bathwater. So why is the bath water, the ether so dangerous? In a nutshell because you can power anything from it for free and as we are discovering that can be weaponized I mean wow! That really sums it up and its what's got me excited lately I interview so many guests that explain the history of Rockefeller monopolies And this oppression of various alternatives to their empire, but that's where it stops. And it feels like its time to stop bitching about the suppression and get over it! Get past it and do the hard work of bringing it all back So I appreciate what you're doing in trying to help us understand this But this idea that you can power anything from it for free This is

31:05 something that I want to be true, I seek out researchers who are good at making it sound true but it's an awfully bold claim and its not something I have experience with or even know how to verify or detect in regular waking life. How would you advise someone like me or listeners who hear such a claim like that? Uh...how can we experience it or do a little experiment to lock this into something that we truly believe and can verify Well, a good place to start would be the Aether because there was ubiquitous background energy. I'm glad you chose that quote as one of my favorites and I'd forgotten about it but it all goes back to the Victorian times and all the great physicists believed in Aether

31:58 1904 Einstein came along and the ether theory was demolished on the back of relativity but also the Mickelson and Morley experiment of 1880s or 1870s. and the Mickelson and Morley experiment was very poorly done. It was done in a basement when it should have been done on in a high place, and actually found some evidence for Aether so that there's quite a lot of evidence since then for Aether and Aether is basically orgone that is outside the body but when Aether becomes

32:43 encapsulated by a membrane, it is then a life energy and there's multiple reasons why Aether and its development into life energy has been suppressed. It goes as far back as Mesmer. Mesmer discovered most of the same things that Wright discovered he discovered the door buster or a cloud buster you have this method of putting one foot in a bucket of water whilst doing healing passes over people that's like the right medical door buster he had another device called back which was energized iron and stones in water in a big wooden top with

33:32 I am rods coming out of it that people held hands on and then held each other's hands to enable multiple treatments. And they knew about being dangerous way back in this i think mesmer was the late 1700s or early 1800s i can't remember The conspiracy goes back as far as then because the physicist knew that ether was real in the 1800s. They hadn't been hoodwinked yet by Einstein, But the Mesmer developed most of the ideas in some form that Reich had and they expanded an enormous amount of energy to squash Mesmer's work. They had printed at great expense 20,000 copies

34:27 detailed book saying Mesmer's nuts and they sent this all around Europe. And then they made sure that the kings at the time believed that Mesmer might pull their people astray and corrupt them morally so they expended, the amount of effort that the FDA, The Food and Drug Administration expended persecuting Reich They spent most of their budget in a few years, in the 50s persecuting one man with a few metal boxes. And The Powers That Be did the same thing to Mesmer and it all goes back to the same thing It's multi-pronged...it is not just free energy If there's an ether that means there's actual mechanism that connects everyone

35:24 I mean we'll get more into this in the consciousness side but if there's a mechanism that connects everyone then you don't need hierarchies as much or it means psychic powers are real. One of the reasons the Victorians were so convinced was so into spiritualism, everyone was into spiritualism. Even a lot of the scientists were trying to prove that table tapping was real and that séances were real and they wanted to communicate with spirit realms It's because they believed in ether, but now you've got empty space theories which quantum mechanics and relativity theories sometimes can be called empty space theories. Because they don't believe that there's any connecting

36:18 medium to the universe so that it's partly free energy by Henry morey had a radio active device that was similar to two rights. All going motor right discovered the organ motor in nineteen forty seven and Henry Moray earlier I think around would have been the late 1930s early 40's, and that goes back to what you were saying about hot and cold electricity. There is different types of electricity like the electricity that Henry Moray got from his radioactive radio

37:03 which I think is probably an Oronor radio, was ran cold and when you run a light bulb through using Henry Moray's earth electricity it gave off light like the sun not like the light we get from grid electricity that runs through our house from hot electricity Also goes back to one of the reasons we're told so many lies about radioactivity is because radioactivity leads to oranol. and they don't want people to know about Orinor, both because it might revive the Aether and also because of free energy consciousness effects psychic effects. I mean Orinor is also the medium for paranormal phenomena so that's another reason why it shouldn't get into people's hands

38:00 It shouldn't get into the right hands, it's got to stay in the wrong hands. Right, yes that is all good context for the history of it and we can see the narrative and incentive to keep it suppressed but... ...it just always drives me nuts that if we can power anything from it for free and its everywhere well where is anyone powering any one thing from it? I just- it seems like were always stuck in that conceptual phase It's supposed to be so easy, but I wanted to ask you about the Or-Nor box. Because I know that you have one of these boxes and you think that the Ark of the Covenant is essentially the same thing... And then we see these pictures of Trump having this replica in his Mar-a-Lago office

38:44 As you've said, it's probably not just some statue. It's probably a working version of it because if you have the context for the energy making the device isn't really the hard part so The Ark of the Covenant while it's covered in all this mystique...it's only mystical because we don't have the scientific context but if you do You can make them and you've made one I'm just curious what it is So we know that We know what a box is, so you have a box that's layered in the materials that generate orgone. But then what's the next step? If you have this box do you have a piece of radium in it or how do you radiate the box to make an oranor box and not just an organe box? Right I'll tell you can I skip back through and just answer that question there? Sure!

39:30 There is a reason why it's not that easy, because you've got ether and organ as pre-atomic energies. And they're completely different type of energy to post atomic energies which are based on particles so the electricity that you've got in your house is a post atomic electricity there might be preatomic cold electricity or more. Electricity that's closer to the ether than it is to matter but still two very different types of energy and make

40:09 the post-atomic energies from the pre-atomic energies is not totally easy. It takes you, you basically have to squeeze and excite pre-atomic energy to the point where it forms condensers into particles and then you have to amplify those particles so perhaps Maybe a dozen to 20 people have succeeded in different processes that all do that. And virtually every free energy device works on that principle, but in different ways. You can do that so many different ways but that's why it is not easy

40:52 And I can also answer your question from another time where you said why are ether devices so small and have such a big effect? It's because ether is the primary thing that moves matter, so you only need a small amount of ether moving to attract a lot of matter. So as small concentration of ether or argon in the sky will pull in a whole load of water or disperse a whole load of water Or a small amount of ethers moving very quickly and condensing will bring in a lot of electricity, will convert into a lot of electricity. So it's not an easy thing to do though you can be done and I believe quite a few people have done it and Wright did it without doubt so like I'm 100% sure Wright

41:46 All going motor works because the people who saw it working with really high caliber people and testify to a working. So you could say the fuel is everywhere, like the fuel is the ether and it's available. The energy is available but if you don't have the generator then you can't use it so they don't let us have the generator they don't let people figure out how to make it and people who do figure out how to make it tend to die? Yeah and Henry Moraes setup definitely worked as well I'm like 99.9% convinced his worked

42:23 And then there's quite a few other people who've set up similar things. But I mean, even making petrol engines a lot more efficient can put a person's life in danger so it is... that answers that question but to jump forward to what you were saying about how I made the orgone box into an oranor box Well, Reich had a huge setup. My room here was maybe what 6'12", 18', 24 by 15 foot maybe? Well, Reich's orgone room was bigger than that I think maybe 30 by 20 foot somewhere around there and within that he had a load of orgone devices

43:16 and as well as that he was on top of a mountain in Maine, in an absolutely pristine organotic environment. Organotic just means off-organ And so he was in a pristine environment away from towns that bring the Orgone down and on top of the mountain which raises Orgone energy further. He had low level Orinor effects, which anyway are from the 1930s...from 1940 onward before you actually did the Orinor experiment proper

43:52 I need have this enormous accumulation of all gone because there's a relationship between oranol, between organ and radioactivity the more you have the less radio activity you need to make it into oranol. but if you have less organ, you need a lot more radioactivity to make oranore. So Reich had a huge amount of orgone and he had quite a lot of radioactivity and so in my... Reich's experiment was in 1951

44:30 and my repeat of it was the first proper repeat of the Oronor experiment, although some Spanish scientists did do a partial repeat in the 90s. But mine was the first full repeat of the Oronor experiment and it was exactly 66 years and 6 months between the two experiments I didn't plan that way just... The more you work with Oronor, the weirder things get It's like a psychic energy and it just... I've been forced to look into the Bible. It wasn't my choice and... I heard you say that a voice just would, you'd wake up in the morning and a voice was booming in your head and it was telling you Bible quotes and you don't know why? And yes, as you mentioned earlier ether encapsulated in a membrane becomes life energy there's all this stuff out there now about plasma and conscious plasma and the ubiquitousness of consciousness

45:33 Who knows if there's an ecosystem that lives within that field. It seems like there might be and you've got experiences with it, but I just wanted to hit on that Ark of the Covenant thing Sure And Orinor box because uh i want to make sure before the end of the first hour That's coming up here we get to the consciousness experiment so let us know about this This ark theory of yours or what you've learned about it Well, it's partly thanks to Roberto Maglione and he has recently done a great paper on ether which is available at CycleGone. Going back into virtually every facet of it historically and how its related to Orgo

46:16 but on the Orinor side in the Ark of the Covenant, he wrote a book called The Legendary Shamir and shamir is the Hebrew word I think for the activator that is put into the Ark of the Covenant. If the Ark of the Covenant that was recreated recently and it was at Mar-a-Lago It didn't appear to be activated, if they had of activated it there would have been smoky clouds around and people may not have been able to stand next to it. So the picture that I saw

46:59 I don't think it had been activated at that point. It might be activated now, but it didn't appear to be activated when it was at Mar-a-Lago, at least when that photo was taken And how is it activated? By exposing it to radiation? Yeah So you basically got a super strong orgone cabinet in the Ark of the Covenant and gold is the very best accumulating material you can get. Well, gold and like if I was to... If someone said to me like here's a hundred grand we want you to make remake the Ark of the Covenant I wouldn't make it the same as the biblical one but i'd copy in principle I'd use gold as metal

47:50 and glass maybe as the organic material, because glass is one of the best organic condensers of organ. It's very good at containing organ and possibly the wood that was used in the Bible that is a very thick... so it would take a long time for the organ to travel through such stout wood plus the Ark of the Covenant was kept in a desert and deserts seem to have a very high orgone concentration. High atmospheres are very good for organe activity, like I've known of a couple

48:31 unpublished, not experiments but unpublished clinical work with orgone accumulators that were done in Australia and Eastern Africa. And they had much stronger effects than we got with the same devices in England because England is so damp and it's not a great environment for orgone accumulation So in the Ark of the Covenant you had perfect environment you had a really, really strong orgone accumulator and then you probably had the Shemir which was put inside it. They actually refer to this in the Bible but not directly I think it's directly in some of the Hebrew texts that are not in the Bible But basically the priests who were looking after the Ark of the Covenant

49:28 go into the central, to the Holy of Holies put the Shamir which is probably a radioactive crystal or a radioactive meteorite. Or it could even just be a piece of technological radium that was gifted to them possibly by an ET or they might have stolen from Egypt there are as possible the Egyptians had similar devices within the pyramid So the Ark of the Covenant principles might have been taken from Egypt, but either way they had a radioactive crystal that was put inside the ark and then that would have created the Oronor reaction inside the ark.

50:16 And then when the Orinor reaction was strong, that breaks through from this realm we're in to other realms. So they literally made a TV for God or radio for God. That is basically what they were doing. I've heard you say a radio station tuned to Yahweh and i think that's another interesting thing so If you're dealing with such a device and you hear a disembodied voice, you think oh my god that is God. But I don't know if it's the one true god or if there is an ecology of spirits and beings that exist maybe just one click away from our reality that are opened up when you use this technology to combine these things It feels like a telephone

51:06 But the contact seems random. Like if you just pick up the receiver and talk to whoever answers, that's great but it's like how can we tune into certain entities and tune out others? How would you get the equivalent of a specific phone number for a specific being, for repeatable contact. That's kind of where I go because i'm not really a monotheist necessarily maybe I'm wrong but you've had your own spirit experiences and heard you talk about not only this voice that was hitting you early in the mornings but also an insect type of being that you talked to or experienced

51:44 What do you think about that? Just the premise of maybe this was just a spirit, A spirit called Yahweh and shit got way out of control. Maybe the spirits not even good or have good intentions What would you say, how would you use this device I guess as a telephone or have repeatable contact with various spirits out there? Sure. It's definitely an ecology because at one point in the early days of my repeat of the Oronoor experiment in 2017, I got a plasma ball where I consider plasma to be halfway between

52:23 pure organ ether if there is such a thing and pure matter, well there isn't any pure either end but halfway in between ether and matter you've got plasma. So I was oranore charging a plasma disco ball to see what effects i would have And after about three weeks of orange charging i found it if i was about nine ten inches high and if i applied static electricity to it, like normal electricity from a battery or from the mains killed the Orinol dead. But if I put plastic cling film over the plasma ball and then ripped the cling film off, I got a super luminous flash of blue which was the Orinol

53:18 being excited. James DeMeo has photographed Excited Orinol too and Wrike photographed it as well, and James DeMeo used the same technique as Wrike did, organ charging a vacuum tube or gas tube but I use this plasma ball but my cousin was...it was Christmas 2017, Christmas 2017 when starting into 2018. My cousin had a really good quality camera and her timing was absolutely amazing because it was really hard to catch these blue flashes and you could see them vividly but photographing them was really hard. She managed to photograph this blue flash

54:16 some years later my research friend who's a bioform researcher based on Trevor Constable's orgone bioforms, he was looking through these photographs of the blue flash and he saw forms in it. And when we magnified it you could see all sorts of stuff there was an ET face in There was plasmatic entities, faces. One that was I think one was like smoking a pipe almost. They were very clear they're on if you look on psycho orgone and you search for the mine in Nick Hayes's paranormal paper you'll see the pictures

55:04 And so to answer your question, sorry I've gone so roundabout again. But Doronor creates like a portal that spirits and psychological entities can transmit through. There we go, okay! That is a concept that makes sense to me. It's just an opening and anything can come through an opening Sure And actually there is one time when I was messing around with Russian portion research and Oronoor and I quickly found out I hadn't to do that because the thing called the

55:43 portion mirror or COSYREV mirror in Russian research and the COSYREV mirror is pretty much an orgone accumulating spiral. And I thought, well if the Russians are using spirals to condense what they call portion energy which is pretty similar to organe energy how about if I put spirals by the organe box? And I started doing that but putting a spiral near the organe box just created a completely uncontrolled portal and the things were jumping through and jumping into dreams, and it wasn't nice. Yes! The consciousness experiments you did this is a huge aspect of your contribution to the work overall You've said it's area that Reich didn't do much work on but if we live in a conscious universe there must be relationship

56:39 You did some serious experimentation on this and it does involve dreams. And we don't know what the hell dreams are, it's actually quite interesting that you can mess with Orgone In the physical, go to sleep and it affects dreams or the quality of dreams. You've even said that you can take a mini cloud buster aim it at a corner of your room if you're a person who has trouble with entities coming in your room at night you can aim this thing at the room and makes the room uncomfortable for these entities and you'll stop having these experiences so You know, that might be useful to some people out there but I just want to read this before i let you explain the consciousness experiments at least briefly to fit into this first hour. You say when I was doing this it felt like my life was not my own during the time of the experiment with each session the life of the participant and my own overlapped to some degree even to the point where in session 10 I had the key dream on behalf of the participant however

57:40 My whole life would correspond to the key numbers of each person for some days before and after each session. I'd describe it as like living in a paranormal fishbowl for six months, everything was synchronized, I was in control of nothing." I mean, obviously fascinating. Elaborate on the conditions of the experiment here and the results you found? You've picked out a key passage again and a key part to the consciousness experiment because number 10, participant ten was the most unusual of the participants in that had a completely different

58:20 context to the other nine participants in that there was a shared dream process but perhaps because she was anxious about the experiment. I mean, she'd recently started practicing not a born-again form of Christianity but an evangelical form of Christianity that she really wanted to be part of the experiment but she wasn't completely comfortable with it because she was worried about what energy was going to contact her through the energy box and understandably, but

59:04 She ended up having a vision on the night of the experiment but she didn't have a dream. And this is one of the worries of the whole experiment because it depended on having each person having a dream. Most people don't dream on demand and yet over 10 nights of experimentation, there was 40 dreams, 40 separate dreams in ten nights which is a huge amount to dreaming but there was 39 of those dreams were from were from the participants and one was for me, and that was with participant 10. And it was a shared dream I actually dreamt her dream for her and I knew it was her dream. Even that number 40 dreams is biblical. Forty is a key biblical number as a generation in biblical terms

1:00:06 And that's one of the reasons why I'm confident that there is a higher power involved in the energy box, because there are so many little things like the voice that spoke to me about the Bible. That was so powerful it wasn't just an ordinary voice it was one of the most powerful voices I've ever heard and it was both male and female, I'd never read that portion of the Bible. And then it gave me two extra lines that aren't... It gave me a line from Psalm 139, and Psalm 139 I've never even read! Then it gave me two lines in reply to Psalm 139 that aren't in the Bible There's a graveyard near here where I walk my dogs

1:00:58 and the graveyard all reflects the numbers that were in the experiment. There's an Egyptian obelisk, it is a very... For a graveyard that was started in Victorian times, it's very progressive because they've got a non-conformist section, a Catholic section, a Protestant section, but a section where they put poor people in big pits literally it's still there, but one of the key areas of the graveyard all reflects the numbers in the experiment and also references Psalm 139. So that the Egyptian monument references another key number in the experiment which was 17 and 17 is a geomartyria or a number to

1:01:55 word code that often is thought to represent a higher power or the divine. So going back to participant 10, she was worried that there might be a negative entity or lower entity that was talking to her through the box and she was quite tired because she's a grandmother that looks after children and grandchildren and she was pretty stressed and should not long had Some years back she'd had a big divorce and so I ended up having the dream for her. It was exactly what her vision correlated with, the numbers in the experiment but instead of her having the dream, I had the dream and I dreamt about the key karmic event in her family to do with her dad. This is why I wasn't in charge my own life

1:02:55 I had nothing, I was in control of absolutely zilch. Zero! By even going to the supermarket like one time I went to the supermarket at 20 minutes to 2 to a supermarket that I don't normally go to and twenty minutes to two I met two people who were involved with the experiment and the person that I met was best friends with she was participant No, she was participant 8 and she was best friends with participant 7. And I just done participants seven session and her key number was 2 like everything is based on two in her dreams and the box predicted that everything was going to be based on two in the numbers that I got.

1:03:44 I met two people from the experiment at 20 minutes to 2 in a supermarket. So, like my... Nothing i did in that six months was really under my control or not under the control of my ego it was everything was under higher powers control right anyway to go back to participant 10 I dreamt about the key karmic event that had happened her mother and father regarding the loss of their first child which would be her brother, her first brother. And the dream couldn't have been about anything else absolutely could not and then the next day I...

1:04:38 Her numbers also reflected, I'm jumping about a bit here but i don't want to forget. I'll write it down and come back to that. So we had the dream or I had the dream on her behalf about the key karmic event for her In her family, it was holding a bag. That's why it came up in the experiment is that karma was holding us from moving forward I then the next morning I was walking in the graveyard with big graveyard is great to talk more And I saw a very unusual bird for city area, which is a buzzard. A huge bird that's got wingspan maybe 1 meter and 2 meters perhaps the male? There was two there but huge wingspan and it was perched.

1:05:31 I said to, sometimes i call the energy the consciousness energy of the box. I call it Orin for orgone intelligence and I just said in my mind Orin have a have I got the right interpretation here that was that dream? I had meant for participant 10 and as soon as I thought that uh I saw a buzzard in the only tree in the churchyard that was beginning to go into blossom, cherry blossom. Then all the rest of the trees were still in their winter coat so that was confirmation because this buzzards pretty rare to see I haven't actually seen it for a couple months now and I think there's a pair of buzzards might have left the area

1:06:27 But just to jump back to the numbers, she being a newly committed Christian she was worried about the Boxers energy and her two numbers answered her question like she wanted to know. She asked a triple-barreled question. She wanted to know what her purpose was who was guiding her and there was a third part which I don't remember but the first part of the question was answered by the Orinor numbers, and that the Orinor numbers boiled down to saying that the first number i think was 89 which

1:07:16 numerology becomes 17 so that means higher power, a higher power is guiding you and then 17 boils down again to 8 which is the Orinor key number. So the energy of the box was saying your being guided by higher power through the Orinor energy And then I got the specific dream about what was holding her back karmically and then that was confirmed by the, because there were various animals involved in the consciousness experiment. The buzzards being particularly involved

1:07:55 Well, I just want to step in and say that's super interesting because a lot of indigenous cultures consider certain animals out of place to be a message. And that we are in a soup of consciousness and messages are everywhere It almost sounds like these examples you're giving us to summarize is that If synchronicity is a force in reality, like gravity, like it could hypothetically be turned up or down. These experiments and the exposure to concentrated energy kind of created a period of much denser synchronicity in your life and it was a direct result of engaging these experiments

1:08:35 Our senses are somewhat limited by our brain, you know it filters out more than it lets in. You could say you kind of changed your perceptual filters or something there happened and the separation between not only waking life and dream but each individual's reality experience also broke down Yeah, you got it perfectly there. I might use that dense synchronicity because i thought about synchronicity well i hadn't really thought about it much before the experiment and i haven't explained the mechanics of the experiment if you want that in the first hour but the dense synchronicity is a very good way of describing it and that also explains why

1:09:19 the little cloud buster for nightmares works which I've kind of jokingly called a spirit buster and that happened with if you get a bucket and put maybe three or four two foot long tubes even aluminium tubes will do and put those in the bucket of water try not to touch the tubes too much if you can change the water every day or 2. And if you point up at the corner of the room, you should get less nightmares and this is because there's a natural material materials not quite right word but then so dense energy

1:10:06 component to psychic phenomena so that there might actually be entities in the room that are interacting with any trauma in a person's mind to create nightmares and the denseness of the synchronicity all around me for that six months was Just really intense. I mean that was partly why it was so tiring and I kept trying to end the experiment early And Roberto wouldn't allow me to I think that's incredible and uh, i've got so many little things. I've heard you say that I want to get to and the mechanics of the experiment as well but You know we're drifting well past an hour So we gotta save something for the other side of things? So maybe we'll just move on at this point But let them know about your links obviously the sub stack anything else they should know about following up My main one is the orgone consciousness

1:11:06 at Substack as my main place. After this, there's an all going conference coming up at the end of May in Italy and I'm thinking about maybe doing more regular perhaps YouTube videos after that and getting my work more is talk so it's not just on my more informal written work is at my sub stack, orgoneandconsciousness.substack and my more formal work is at the Mike Orgone journal psychorgone.com and that's a open access free journal so those are the two main places for my written work I do have a YouTube channel but it's not particularly good, no sorry, after the conference

1:12:02 Yeah, I might start doing videos from the substack after the conference sometime in June. But if people want to get in touch with me through the substack or through CycleGone they can do it. I love that! I hope haven't jumped about too much all over the place No, It's all good It's hard to, like there is so many different aspects to it. But yeah, we got that. Well I hope people were inspired to dig deeper This is a bit funny but i am such an idiot that I looked up this conference and saw Naples I thought it was in Naples Florida! I thought we were going to meet on May 30th but I don't think im gonna go international on this one I really though it was Naples Florida but its just Naples the real one Yeah the other Naples Yes

1:12:58 Naples the greater. All right, well hey I appreciate you Leon this has been a lot of fun take care Thanks it's been great And just like that boom goes the dynamite people A very thorough deep dive into the deep end of the Orgone pool which is already deep It was really for the advanced class of the advanced class but he's taking the work and really interesting areas i always love when a person, who is an expert in something has also heard all previous interviews we've done on this subject it can get just right into filling in the holes.

1:13:38 Just to lay it all out there again, if anyone wants to go back James DeMayo he really is the Orgone King. We covered Ether and Cloudbusters and Orgone Accumulators in that interview definitely one to check out Peter Robbins focused on Orgone and the relationship to UFOs primarily Ryan Peverly got into the political aspects and Reiki and psychology and Mitch the Orgone donor makes Organite devices and that was focused on using these devices to try and reduce and block EMF exposure. So pretty easy to say at this point we have almost a sub-genre in the archive of Wrike & Orgone now with 10 hours worth material, wild!

1:14:23 But I am very much into this, and it speaks to what I've been charged up about lately. That the unadulterated earth realm is full of abundance and contains several different mechanisms or qualities that can be harnessed for the good of all But we just have a management problem. We have a management class problem, a parasite class problem, predator class... whatever term you want to use that is the bottleneck Now you know I don't love these if we could all jest arguments or if we could just break the quarantine, get past the elite and end of the empire. The world would be better yeah no shit well we don't get to do that but I do think it's interesting to study these things and maybe explore and engage without permission in your own quiet corner of the world or at least its helpful in understanding what this world

1:15:24 is supposed to be or could be what is really possible it's mind blowing they've done a great job with perception management and the big scientific quarantine but there's energy filling up whatever room you're in right now that could likely power your house if any industrial effort whatsoever was directed at harnessing I often think about theologians and these people who just know every bible verse, and i just think man if you spent as much time actually understanding the creator's realm like you do that book we might actually have something here.

1:16:05 Imagine God being like, guys I made all this for you. It's perfect it set up for thriving the earth negative charge can be played against we have Oregon energy everywhere you can make healing boxes that don't even need to be plugged in and you can alter the weather again without any mechanical parts would you like put the book down and stop letting yourself be slaves? That could be fun It would be a great thing to try, wouldn't it? But everything's broken and people are dumb. Really great interview though! I love the spirit contact stuff and playing with the dream space and getting into consciousness... And just thought it was great all around! I think it makes sense that a fear of all radiation and nuclear energy was engineered to keep us away from the positive applications of these energies

1:17:04 Bob Grenier, low energy nuclear reactions. That's what he's studying It's funny, because there is a conspiracy thread now that nukes aren't real. I think a better way to say it is that nukes aren't as devastating for the long term as they've been advertised – the Earth is more capable of self-healing – but the scarier you make the bomb, the scarier the whole field of nuclear energy is and so yes they vastly oversold the power of their superweapon. Surprise surprise propaganda in wartime! The Plus Show does get a lot deeper as always. I probably could have done this for even longer, Leon really knows his stuff and seems to be an unsung hero and pioneer of pushing Orgone research further and I salute him for it! Become a plus member or stop missing half the show free 7 day free trial with no credit card required at thehiresidechats.com

1:18:01 Now people who did hear the full two hours probably noticed me getting a little anxious there towards the end not only for the things i wanted to fit in but we had such technical difficulties at the beginning that I almost had to call it and reschedule cuz i try not to let life interfere with the job the job pays for the life But when it starts to take three hours to get a two hour interview down on the track, sometimes the window I have for silence in this house is closing and I have to relieve my wife who's got the kids in the driveway because I was supposed to be done 20 minutes ago. Ugh!

1:18:40 She's the best, she really is a trooper and she does what it takes. And she would tell me not to worry about it but I try to be conscious of her situation too when I do these things But the show must go on and we got it done! I appreciate everyone who offered support for my little break there Not much but just enough to regroup and trudge on ahead What else is there to do? And that means the traditional last episode review announcement and that would be Joel Saladin. And he gets a 4.5 from the plus people, it's a bit of a surprise usually already know when it's going to be a little low but this one did catch me off guard I thought it would be a bit higher When I look at some of the comments I don't really see one big thing jumping out I don't know if there was a specific take or

1:19:32 Something that he said the people didn't like maybe just that it came in a bit short it is hard to say, maybe just not that exciting terms of material for a lot of people but food is obviously a big deal and i think you as a ton of insight into the problems with the industrial food system. And what does needed to switch over to regenerative agriculture And I'm just super impressed with what Joel has done. Obviously not a terrible review, but 4.5 I consider to be in the so-so category because our scale is so tight and a plus or minus 0.2 is a lot on our scale it is weird I should work on that but I can't find another plugin that does the job maybe I got a vibe code a new THC website? I don't know... That's what the kids are doing these days Alright Meetup Calendar

1:20:23 The next one we have is coming up this weekend june six that is the small equipment rx thing going on in palm bay florida where, the host of this event is gonna have some basic engine setup and motors and gonna teach people some practical life skills and how to repair stuff i think that's awesome. Then the next day, June 7th St. Paul Minnesota Blackstack Brewing June 13th Riverside California at The Brickwood June 21st Chicago Illinois at The Map Room on Summer Solstice June 27th Gilbert Arizona at the Desert Monks Brewing Brewhouse and July 6 Northcott Point Auckland New Zealand at the Northcote Tavern Northcott? Northcoat not quite sure

1:21:14 if you're around that area i'm sure you know july 20th oaks pennsylvania at arnold's family fun center and then august 16 albuquerque new mexico The tech conference. Love it, good stuff! Well reach out to Leon if you appreciate his work I thought it was great and he was right this filled in the Orgone gaps in my game with a lot more than I would have even anticipated and I loved it Okay take care of you and yours I've done my part Your move Orgone deniers, Ryke repudiators And sorcerers of the scarcity spell Your fucking move I see you sitting in traffic

1:21:55 And you look so stuck No sense of adventure Just a routine fuck They can diagnose depression But don't know why you're bored Mystery comes knocking but You don't answer the door No, there are lights in the sky Not found on any Creatures deep in the forest That no ranger has tagged There are things in the ocean you won't see from the land Life's under no obligation to make sure you understand I'm told that truth is out there when you get past the lies It comes when your least expected and it wears a disguise It'll tell you everything just for goof

1:23:03 Can't take any pictures, won't have any proof So I watch you live like you never wanted it A lost soul that's forgotten what really haunted is But just let me say This is a horrible approach to seizing the day There are things you can know That you can even think

1:23:41 No doctor has medicine like the shaman's next drink Sleep is never better than inside of the dream Who promised you anything would be as it seems I'm told the truth is out there when you get past the lies It comes when you least expect and it wears a disguise It'll tell you everything Just for... Can't take any pictures, won't have