Jonathan Butts | Water Revitalization, Structured Water, & Natural Action Tech

00:00 Praise be, Hiresite Chatters! It has been some time since I jumped in here before starting the show to give you any sort of information. But i feel like it's worth saying right at the top that we have one of those rare situations where our guest sells products...in this case...to vortex and optimize your water quality and he was kind enough to give us a THC discount code for anything in his store We didn't decide on that until after the interview, so yes I can tell you about it in the wrap-up but i also wanted you to know about it right at the top. Use the code THC-10 for 10% off any orders under $1500 and use the code THC-20 for any orders that are over $1500 and these are serious prices! I understand... That's not really my department

00:49 I just happened to have had John's work presented to me and thought he had a profound and esoteric even understanding of water that lines up with what a lot of our guests have circled around. And so, i do what i do and present him to the crew! But hear him out and see what you think. He has products for pretty much anywhere that water comes into your house, whole home systems under the sink systems vortexing shower heads and a portable pour through slash pitcher product I was going to get myself the pitcher and test it out before releasing this one but whatever The show is ready so why make you wait? I'll talk about my experience some other time

01:32 So I don't mean to stall the action. You can also find the coupon codes in the show notes, but keep it in mind as you listen and if you like what you hear why not get a little discount? But either way The Magic of Water is a really interesting topic to me and I've been looking for an avenue to take it from just some intellectual exercise to something practical And maybe this is it we shall see but John is just a great guest to talk to about water so enjoy In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. You're from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire! For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chat

02:34 Woosa, higher side chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and when we think deeply about the state of our society it seems like we barely even qualify as advanced let alone number one sure many of our processes are complex but do we really need to ship cheap plastic goods all the way from China to the local Walmart Do we need disgusting factory farms stinking up everything for miles processing animals that are barely propped up with another round of shots and antibiotics? Is it right to have a laundry list of strange and concerning side effects for the latest greatest petrochemical pill, And should we really dismiss the less conventional interests of history's brightest minds like alchemy as just something they got into as they were going crazy in old age.

03:19 Really, it seems like we've been corralled into complex systems because they're easy to monopolize and hard for others outside the robber baron class to duplicate. Not because they're best or anything close to optimized but some outside-the box thinkers have looked deeper at nature and realized that we should have never been so quick to claim superiority when we barely scratched the surface of the insights it gives us and ways we could harness it best for health energy abundance Well, one of the main gifts nature gives us is water and the latest in water science is some mind-blowing stuff with a wide range of applications that could improve pretty much everything. And with us here today to talk about such things as Jonathan Butts, the CEO of Natural Action Technologies. John was educated in nuclear power while in the Navy and had a few early experiences that tipped him off to there being a lot of unexplored depth to water

04:11 And he applied his engineering skills and research into some of the best water revitalization products money can buy. So let's get into it! The H2O Engineer, Fluid Mechanics Maestro and Living Liquid Life Force Technology Teacher John, welcome to The Higher Side. Wow that's a mouthful glad to be here Yeah man thanks for taking the time this is gonna be great water is one of those side subjects that we keep coming back to because as im finding out, we have a lot more understand about it and what can do it seems that those who tried to teach us about this in the past were sort of marginalized.

04:49 But now we have access to more information and there's a lot of renewed interest in water as more of us are wising up to the importance of it, and the sad state of our water quality today. It seems like there were a few different points in your life where you got an indication that there was more depth than mystery to the substance that were typically taught is that right? 100% I think it kind of rolled around in the background until that moment And I think that moment was very clear for me, where it was like okay there's definitely 100% a deeper mystery and without a shadow of doubt an unveiling of...I would say being kind of like the spirit. The spirit of water came forward and changed the polarity of the mystery you know approaching it

05:42 as a mysterious thing that only I kind of was looking at. And, and I would say that had to do with in retrograde looking back on where I grew up how I grew up my tendencies to be around water. And I would say that was more it had to do with like fishing you know fishing and my attraction to fishing from a very very young age drew me to water And I thought it was about the fish and catching fish, but as I got older and when that moment happened. I knew it was about like observing water and being intimate with water like being on the water in the water trying to figure out how water Creatures behaved was more about learning about water so they came full circle at a certain point my life

06:34 Right on the spirit of water i like that and hope we get back to using that kind of language in our society because indigenous folks for a long time have talked about, the spirit of various plants and rivers and lakes and i just think it's even if maybe not technically true and it may be. It still type of language that gets us thinking and respectful terms rather than domination term so its good either way you slice it And what was that real turning point for you? I've heard you mention a few things. Was this drinking the mountain spring water at one particular time, which was an aha moment? Oh, that definitely happened too. Okay so if we start there... That's gonna be about seven years before the like aha moment where it was like not-so much my little eccentric relationship with water and So

07:30 After i got out of the service i was in heavy industry and i felt like i was missing you know deeper lessons from nature. So my goal was just to go out nature is far away from civilization as possible and i guess i really don't know why there was just a desire within me to go, you know, go where nobody's really contaminated or mess this up and get a clear perspective of what the earth as a whole is like without infiltration from invention and more like hardcore technology right? Like iron and steel. I grew up in the iron-steel family business big industry

08:15 and kind of kept down that road. And on the side I was fishing, and getting on water as much as possible So at one point in Montana... ...and I'm on horseback with a group of people kinda going through wilderness training and seeing what that's going to be like for a career. You know, I'm going to leave industry. I'm going to go live in the mountains and disconnect from normal civilization." That was my goal. And it was extremely hot probably pushing high 90s altitude 8000 feet-ish. I was out of water for sure at this point

09:00 The horse was drenched in sweat from top to bottom and I remember cutting across a logged clear cut. The packer who was teaching us how to work on horseback and work deeper in the mountains, he said we're all out of water it's hot so were going to take a shortcut to get to this spring. So I remember riding the horse up a steep hill across a clear cut where they had logged crossing over into wilderness area. It was kind of on the bubble of where you're allowed to do that stuff and where you're not, and we got through it and it was like I remember hitting a clear cut and it was just like oh my God! Like 95 degrees just turned into 120. It felt like you were in a desert in the mountains. And then we cleared the clear cut and then all of a sudden this energy shift occurred. The horse started behaving different

09:55 I'm like, we must be getting close to the spring. You know it's a spring kind of small stream up there at high altitude and i remember at one point sensing and I could tell the horse knew it too that water was nearby and then over a little crest you could see you know the different foliage surrounding the stream And I just jumped off the horse and noticed the horse didn't even hesitate when I got off and turned, instead of following me. So I wasn't even leading this horse anymore. And I wasn't afraid that this horse was going to run away off the lead. And I knew the horse knew the water was there so we both walk over he's just dragging his lead right next to me like hey buddy you could horses if you know them they kind of give off an excitement that makes a human being get very trustworthy

10:46 And when they get like off balance you can feel it right away when they're about to buck you off and that's kind of part a learning horses at any rate we end up at the spring. And I remember this like the energy of the horse in its eyeball i looked over at the horse and his eyeball as we were drinking was like sending me a message of like, oh you don't know about real water. And at the same time the water was hitting my mouth out of the palms in my hand and I remember laughing and going Oh My goodness there's like six billion people on earth and i'm 24 years old and this is the first time I've drank water and most people probably never will. It was like a weird truth

11:33 Happening in my life about something I was suspicious about but i didn't have an explanation for and up until that point. I wasn't really a big fan of drinking water or you know the way, I just never had a consuming attraction to water And at that moment, I realized that certain types of water were the pinnacle of the fluid that I put my body. For me, my relationship with horses and water like kind of culminated right there as a truth that I knew I'd never really be able to share no matter how much I talk about it. I can't explain what happened because my relationship with water and horses are unique

12:15 And that's where they combined in a like, super deep truth for me where I just knew. I didn't need science. I didn't need anybody else to tell me anything. I just knew. Yeah, I think that's a great story and so later on, I believe you were asked to check out a product for a steel company or something there talk to us about the real aha moment where you just fully dedicated yourself to water? Okay And so this is like many years later, I'll guess about seven or eight or something like that. So my dad...I was kind of working a little bit on the outside of his steel company. I'd help out every now and then but it really wasn't my deal and at some point it kinda came back full circle. I was on the road with my dad in Texas visiting different steel mills down there

13:09 And he said to me, you know we've been running our product for like 20 some years now. I really want you get involved and... We need to come up with a new product something that helps the steel mills out it's valuable You know and i said all right? I don't Know the steel mill process as well as I should answer that question But if you're willing to broaden what we design in manufacturer I'll find somewhere in the steel mill that we can improve something to the point where it has value for them. And he said, all right and I said give me a year to study the process in detail, the whole steel process how i feel i need to and I'll see what comes up. He said all right go do it! About a month later I was doing some side work on some weird electric cars this is like

14:02 It's like some kind of French electric car. And some people called me that I had previously known from racing and they were running a business with golf carts, electric cars automotive service you know they were out in the country kinda in farmland doing this ATV kind of a wide range full service just like mechanic electrical take care of people in that sense And I did a little work for them on the side every now and then when things were slow. So they called me one day, and I had done work for them recently in the past so that's how they knew. They were like hey we came across this technology that we want to install on people's vehicles that reduces emissions and increases fuel mileage

14:52 And this is somewhere in the 08, 07 range. 07-08 right? And this individual was a Vietnam vet and I always admired him he always gave me good advice and i kind of knew his family through racing and making hot rods and performance application stuff that I used to be into as a hobby and a little bit of a profession. And I said all right I'll look at it I said, well how what's the basis of it? And they said well basically you just pour water in it and turn it on. And there are some tricks to it some engine stuff and I was always fascinated with race engines So I studied race engines which largely work from vibrations and how the vibrations combine within the engine and break the laws of physics

15:42 Mind you I already knew that. I already had a pretty deep experience in nuclear power, which also breaks a lot of the laws of normal physics, Newtonian physics even with what we call corrective factors that we kind of do to make the physics work when we get into the fluid flow and engineering and science background of it So it's not like I'm unqualified To take a look at this I know automotive engines very well, way beyond the general automotive world deep into the racing history. Deep into Charles Taylor who's considered the godfather of ICE engine which is internal combustion engine and so i had studied MIT level ICE engines down to the T

16:29 I've been involved in professional racing at the NASCAR level and engine building at the highest levels as far as actual output figures, output efficiencies right. So these guys know i'm qualified to take a look at this and they tell me it's water and it makes this substance called HHO And so I'm thinking about it and I'm going well HHO I never heard of that but let's explore into it I follow the group a little bit that's selling this technology, get first-hand with them and they have pretty poor explanations of everything in my opinion from what is available for conventional knowledge beyond Newtonian physics like nuclear power. Stuff that's already done to scale things that are producing in the thousand megawatt range reliably 24 7

17:24 So it's not like this is theory or modeling, this is qualified application to a degree of reliability that is way beyond what your conventional person considers operating in what I would call more civilian territory with unclassified projects. I'm like, I'll give this a wing. I talked to some people technical from their side Some of the guys seem to be knowledgeable know what they're doing So yes, I will assess this for you so I purchase the technology and joint with this company and do an assessment and immediately when minor adjustments The vehicle doubles fuel mileage and runs way better across-the-board And it did take some intricate knowledge

18:13 how to tune and what a motor looks for and what it's doing. But I mean, it was like right out of the box 2003 Jeep Cherokee 4 liter never got better than 20 miles to a gallon on the freeway I was turning 43 within two weeks of tuning and installing probably about 40 hours worth of work to find the limits so that under and over And that amazed me and at that point I said, well I can tell you one thing for certain. It is not powered by hydrogen there's something else going on here because hydrogen Cannot account the way we understand it, the way they equations work. The way electrolysis works on a separation factor separating hydrogen from oxygen but I knew we weren't by the design of that thing. I knew we were bleeding a whole hydrogen-oxygen situation into the motor at a certain rate which

19:09 by conventional burning and BTU value of hydrogen. And that's, this is where everybody goes wrong in their programming is burning the word burning or oxidation the level of oxidation are burning so I said you know what? The automotive world a headache! You know Ford already involved in this Boeing already involved in this This is a political nightmare these are some things I knew from researching into it that actually were recorded collectively so all this can be verified. Some of it was on the news, some of it was on 60 Minutes but in the end I thought whatever this is operating on a totally different principle and screw trying to install these on automobiles and fighting the machine because we're never going to win that fight and everybody's gonna blame you when the slightest thing goes wrong with this

20:04 And this group is not ready for scale introduction. They're just in a war with the oil companies introducing technologies that are probably over 100 years old to date, with my research And so what I say is, I want to know more about this stuff and I want to see how it burns. So I took the unit out of the automobile put it in my garage laboratory that I normally use for building race engines and I said I'm going to put this in a nozzle and see how it burns! And so I just hooked up a little setup and started measuring some stuff and I turned the gas on

20:48 you know, it's a little setup with a battery and some other in-between devices to change the vibrations minorly. And I lit it and the moment it lit up I knew I was witnessing something that was truly unique that was not discussed even at the specified project levels of the military because I had those reasonable clearances in nuclear power where you learn about stuff they normally don't teach. At that moment It was like, bing! Okay now I'm up till 3 in the morning working two jobs every day to not only just pay for my bills and life. And I recently just got married too so this all wasn't working out too good for that but i was locked-in

21:32 and I was working as much as possible in a 20 probably 18 to 20 hours out of the day making them. I was driven to make more money than ever before, to afford the research and development to find out more about what this was And in the end at very affordably did some simple testing because I couldn't afford really expensive stuff like deep mass spectral testing to validate In the end, I did a simple experiment looking at the availability of oxygen within the gas which is easy to do and in the end i found out that the oxygen was unavailable through a 3000 degree burn meaning I could take this vapor and bleed it through a 3000 degree flame and would not react with the flame. Which if I just took oxygen and shoved it there the flame would totally change its behavior so this vapor

22:29 as it is properly understood, is coherent enough to travel through 3000 degrees and keep the hydrogen-oxygen bond stable as a vapor. And that took about 50 bucks to run that test meanwhile universities and everybody else are getting and spending millions of dollars not correctly describing what's going on, which just led to a cascade of studying liquid water ice the behavior of water everywhere and anywhere. And what is this new force that is not widely taught even as somebody who has postgraduate practical knowledge of things in physics that are beyond? The chase is on at that point in 2009 about when that happened

23:18 I love it i love it and so to broaden this out to the way we use water in society the plumbing system verses what you saw in the mountain with a horse and just, how it affects our body and how not all water is created equal when you compare and contrast water in the natural world versus. Our city water obviously we know it's worse quality because of the contaminants in at the floor i'd chlorine pharmaceuticals that have been flushed down the toilet forever chemicals that are in it but thats not really what were talking about here thats like a one oh one understanding yeah you shouldn't pump

24:02 Dead water through lead pipes to people's houses got it. That is a very simple understanding but there's these other more magical processes that seem to emerge from nature and Changing the quality of the water some people say fourth phase of water some people say gel state structured water You were told HHO There's all these terms and maybe they are different things. Maybe there's multiple aspects of water that are hidden from us, but in terms of like the way our city water works versus nature how would you compare and contrast that? And now knowing what you know how would you design a water system for a mid-sized city

24:44 Okay, yeah interesting. That's like real scale level stuff which is different than say what we do when we're treating water with your home a half inch pipe or three-quarter pipe but one inch pipe totally different mechanics But the same air right moving water in a straight line under pressure and it's not that water doesn't like or can't take pressure it does but not in that way But, you know in a central system we need the pressure to get the water to people. And that's really the name of the game there is rotation is completely starved out of the equation it's rotation and even if you look at Bernoulli's energy balance and physics If you look at any other mathematics and electrical dynamics

25:35 None of them allow for rotation along the line of intention. Which means I want to get this from here, To there! What's the best way to do it? And The caveman in us says go on a straight line But the cave man who walks the mountains and the forest knows There is no such thing as a straight line So everything is always moving from left to right Right to left over and over again When he does it in an organized spin equation not only the substance that's doing it changes, but the environment around it changes even without direct contact. And it turns out there is quite a large historical study of this physics phenomenon

26:18 that's not quite as rigid as the grid or the A to B analysis. So in a way, the intention should be to deliver high quality water to the residents of a mid-sized city it is obvious that water never ever ever moves in the way we choose to move it and it is obvious that the water spends most of its energy trying to break out of the pipe And that means the water, it's like you trying to break out of a room constantly. Right A jail cell being handcuffed being in a straight jacket It's literally like you're trying to free yourself up so you can move The way you want to move and what I say is how does water want to move?

27:04 Rather than going, this is random. This is a forced condition I loved your intro because it hit on the idea that somehow humankind thinks it can dominate over the laws of the universe and that is a futile pathogenic self-destructive behavior and the whole collective human race can feel it The biggest way to unveil that are on why not in my opinion is through the master element which i call water. And we watch how it likes to move because it carves its own pathway through nature and you know when your watching a river thats been around for a million years your watching the wisdom

27:47 That's the simple wisdom that is in the water as it reshapes rocks to make the rock and elements that are in it better. To make the water better, to make the rock and elements better It's a synergy This doesn't cause that they happen simultaneously moving forward to higher quality I suppose thats the transition we need to face as human beings right now so... Thats it in a nutshell We're moving the water incorrectly by forcing into straight lines In a saturated mode, like there's no looseness in the water. There's no gas There's no air in there if you watch water and a clear pipe under pumping pressure You can't even tell it's moving You would think that the water was sitting still in the pipe when you're moving at 100 gallons of minute at 200 psi Mm-hmm and that tells you its stuffed, you know right on yes

28:40 You know there's a lot of people who probably think water is boring just not that interesting but i really want them to see it in a new light because i've heard you talk about how we should think of water, as a living substance as an intelligent substance i mean you started by saying the spirit of water what does that. Indicated meant means it has some kind of intelligence to it and you've used terms like exhausted water or dead water or stressed water in terms of what comes out of our pipes And really it needs to be massaged and folded in vortex as you would see in a stream. Maybe kneading dough or a taffy puller might be a good analogy for what water needs, or likes to create more energy? I believe you've said that the qualities of this structured optimized water that we're talking about, it comes from not necessarily the pulling apart

29:40 But it wants so much to get back together that that's kind of what causes the magic. Help me out here! Yeah, and I think like there is a broad... And I like the human race as a whole to know that these types of principles should be in education as young once you've seen the world a little bit these are very very simple things When we look at what water likes and what doesn't like, and we start talking about extremes like don't stress the water right well actually water likes a little bit of. Rhythmic stress but there's a threshold to it so water likes to move apart and come back together again and each time it does that

30:27 gets moved apart and comes back together, it raises its quality. And it's a measurable... not very easily measured because it is hard to get instruments into the water without affecting the water so you get into like the Heisenberg principle The observer starts to affect the end result which is very true with water It makes science difficult when people start making stuff up in order to explain and sell things versus share the foundational spiritual essence of the equation that gets to the soul of yourself and the soul of water. Which largely those two coincide together in your body, and can also operate at a distance from your body but it's all kind of the same thing like the ether

31:19 So in order to create with a higher quality, water likes a certain amount of threshold to stretch and then let go and rewind together. Hydrogen and oxygen are not like a chemical H3O2 or H20 that's not really the spirit of water at all those are the physical manifests of the spirit And when we're done destroying that spirit as much as we can what is left is H2O and that's not even true. Gerald Pollack is theorizing on H3O2, there's no fact to it whatsoever and I can actually break down the fact of chemical compounds in molecules in the mass spectral and UV spectrometer analysis which is the way we kinda claim that we have proof that this atom exists or doesn't exist And what we have proof of is a probability for circumstance meaning if

32:14 destroy the water with force, the highest probability leftover part is going to be H2O. So that may give somebody a reference for what science is and what science isn't. Science is more like the probable perspective given X conditions And so conditions of breaking things apart intentionally lead to parts of X that are the most solid. But if we take the perspective up putting things together, then we end up with a new end product which is more like water So if you take that idea how do we put water together not

32:56 like even put it back together, but just say how does water put itself together in nature? We end up with we use integrals in the real analysis which is the area under the curve and what ends up with this asymmetrical waveforms that indicate impulses with information. Like I'm going to send an impulse and on it is a packet of information that gives you an instruction. Kinda like zip folder, like a zip file. Like I sent you the zip file, you unzip it and out comes a bunch more information And this is precisely how water carries itself and how water communicates If you put water under too much stress for too long It adapts

33:43 and changes its mode of operation, actually hardens itself to protect itself. Which is kind of what we call like the eggshell layer that everybody calls hexagonal water so the history of Muk-Shi-Kun The kangen water, all that stuff like the harder stuff they were able to measure because when they tried breaking it apart using conventional science. It had bigger pieces of the different side of itself and they were on to that but then everybody over bit into that equation and kind of went back to the hardened story, like the eggshell and threw away the yolk in the whites. And now we're studying that eggshell. That's what Gerald Pollack is doing with EZ Water. It's not a debate it's a fact he has measurements that hey were going to talk about less than 1% of the total body of water in the scientific side of it. That being said Gerald Pollack

34:38 I've heard in private does have a more spiritual discussion of water but what's in print and what's facing outward is that tiny, tiny bit of the principle of water. And that opens up the door kind of more to the Native American side and the indigenous cultures than the aerobatic, right? So now I'm like an industrial technical race car engine builder guy who's always been interested in fishing and being in nature. And then studied Native American principle ever since I was a kid because my mom read these big books on the topic and used to kind of teach me a little bit about you know our country and what it was like before our family started coming here.

35:21 right? The immigrant story. So there you go with like how it starts to come full circle with my own spirit, how for everyone like we're mostly water and so is the planet so were literally water beings and the planet is a water being whereas you could go to another planet in the frequencies are different than we wouldn't recognize what the water was their other than what's the life force that drives this planet that's most concrete, that expresses the desire and manifests equally as the universe does as we all observe it. Well said it seems like you are totally primed to be in this position and it is strange cuz water is so ubiquitous in our bodies and our environment that its odd that, it has these qualities that have gone pretty under the radar until recent years. And it's not that it's completely undiscovered because you have said previous interviews you thought you discovered something but then you went back through the history and realize there were

36:22 Plenty of people who are on to this stuff too in their day and we know a bit about victor schauberger obviously a big name in water but can you tell us about some of the others that she learned about from studying the history or something is it people just might be interested then in terms of. Water and what never makes it into our textbooks yeah sure i think, gotta give hexagonal perspective of water for some case of parody as So in physics there's always been four phases and only four phases, and 4 kind of represents logic. So it's like where the mind and the physical world meet to wrap their head around reality so you have a liquid, you have solid, and you have gas And basically if you look at those, the major difference is density and volume which kinda go hand-in-hand

37:19 And then you have a fourth phase which every scientist and physicist in person, especially in today's terms like defaults to. Which is called plasma and so when I first heard about plasma my dad started teaching me about superconductors and plasma probably when I was 10 years old he was a chemist and kind of unified field seeker, but I really became deep with that. What's this unified field? How does it work? That's what i want to know. What's an atom? What's the idea of the physical world and so this logical foundation is those cases So when somebody says there's a fourth phase of water The only thing it could mean to me because we have to agree on some form of logic Is the plasma form of water

38:08 So what does plasma really mean? And they say it's a state of matter transition. So okay, plasma is transition and transition is the unknown It's changing and we don't exactly know how its changing if we haven't defined what water exactly is so that kind my drive to define what water is and Schauberger basically came from observing nature. He was a woodsman, a forester or huntsmen and made some big mistakes using water to help the forest industry and I think he was one of those guys that was like wow! I just became the biggest hypocrite in my life because I use water to kill water and I watched it happen basically chopped down the trees moved him out of the woods around a waterway and then the water way died because of the sunlight and everybody's always like oh sunlight you know

39:01 That's the thing that drives everything. Well, so does darkness it's not one It's how the balance work together How the breathing in and breathing out? Happen to create life and how this energy or the overlap or connection with the next thing like us to the earth That's like a big simple thing And what's the earth made out of water So when I dug back into this, I was absolutely elated. You mentioned Schauberger and then there's this chain whether we're talking about the vapor whether we're talking about the liquid whether we're talking about the solid

39:37 There's a case where water is almost always in the triple point, whereas science said the triple point. Water is the only thing that can get into the triple point that can combine these states of matter that are definable liquid-solid gas and what is the transition? That was always my... you start up an engine room and shut down, and there's things that happen that are totally different than when it is stable and up-and-running due to the set of conditions we design upon it. So I beat like Tesla in principle, I became interested in Tesla because I saw electricity and water as identical because when I really learned about electricity I was told to take the view a water

40:23 And that will explain electricity to you. And the deeper you look at water, the more you understand how energy flows then you can start to understand how to scale like what we call higher efficiency energy systems which involve water And why would it involve water? To me, water taught me why water would be included in the electrogravitic equation and the electrodynamic equation and in understanding of what magnetism and electricism or dielectric really is. Or the diemagnet really is Fair, fair. Yes and I definitely want to talk about energy applications and over unity but that's probably second hour stuff because i want to make sure we also get a good at least 15 minutes in this first hour about the company and the products you make and how it affects health

41:15 The founder of the company understand his name was clayton nolte and. I assume you met him somewhere along the way and your now the ceo this company talk to us about clayton the initial inventor and founder, of the company in some other products that he developed which have now been refined even further yes so I was doing the plasma research for the steel mill so we went into to go back in the history of this. Definitely it was obvious to everybody that the water plasma, which is what it is, the water transition was implosive

41:54 I verified that scientifically so there was a big debate amongst the community between explosion and implosion. And nobody really knew about implosions, so this was the first thing to arrive in the physics world where visually and physically according to Newtonian physics because unified field physics has to also fit in the real world it has to explain Newtonian physics and then go beyond it And so I realized that you can't have things going on in the physical world that are contrary to unified models. So we went through that whole equation, that water was primarily implosive meaning it pulled things inward more than it pushed things outward and that symmetry was a lock of death. So anytime you created symmetry motion would cease and its called avoid and the void has room for

42:46 an endless supply of desire and ideas coming from the universe to come through. So you get to this point where nothing's good or nothing is bad, it's just kind of how the universe behaves and it behaves to predominate itself in water expresses this so Nolte and I were very close on that philosophy there so I got along with them real good right off the rip before natural action had even formally started before I had fully understood the water plasma to a depth that could explain liquid water and the benefits that Nolte seemed to claim, he over claimed. He sold it in ways that were in my opinion disrespectful to water because it would discredit what water really was if you tried to make water like a magic cure for everything

43:39 Is magical as i think water is that's not the role and function to be the final decision of what happens. Water is more like the referee, the orchestrator, the conductor but it does not Dictate to participating parties what they have to and cannot do is not a dictatorial government within the realm of water. And there's no living thing that isn't primarily made up of water none so there's a very simple thing going on their. And eventually water is like the physical formation, I mentioned this before of what i would call the ether. The substrate of all manifest and what the quality of that manifest in purpose is going to be

44:24 Add i just took the dolby on that conversation because he seemed to have that level of knowledge as we went out with the company there was huge disagreements. Add a lot with new valuable technologies there's a lot of fighting a lot of devious behavior and im talking at the professional level i think that Horse has been beat to death and I think I have my own perspective on the foul play that when you get into free energy healing health better methods that reduce the harvesting of physical material of earth and delays, the regeneration of them right like our farming practices are pharmaceutical or medicinal practices. And the two philosophies that both have value

45:12 but they're highly out of balance with the truth. One's kind of like 90-10 and the other one 10% of the time actually probably way less than that has a purpose and value, other than that it is resistance to the pathway to the truth to a higher quality level on how energy moves like it moves in leaps and water behaves this way you asked about intelligence well when nothing happens to water then the whole scientific community sees this at this point that hey, the protocols for the test called for two minutes then you knew everything about it and then you shut it off. But people would accidentally leave testing devices on water for like all of a sudden somewhere between six and seven minutes you see a response commonly in water from leaving some type of energy input on and now all of a sudden the water starts breathing meaning the vibrations start oscillating what was flatline starts moving around

46:10 And then the scientist or the observer goes, oh something changed and it's dynamic now. It is dynamic but it has a pattern to it what is the pattern? So I analyzed the patterns that would pop up and they turned out to be of phi ratios. So then, I started studying numbers and number relationships and I'd always played music all my life so i took the number relationships took them to that and then you see a cascade of people where if you read their work they understood that stuff they teach in like mystery school or back in times when

46:48 Full development and teaching of learning music not just how to play the instrument like jimmy hendrix. But how to understand that geometry underneath it when you get to that, my family were free masons from sandusky's on my dad side so around the home or a whole buncha geometric stuff in code language but I could see the geometry right so you start to see with my journey a parallel pathway of all the tools i needed culminated with water and were useful in making that deeper relationship with water. And so when you go back through the vapor phase, you find out that way before HHO Way before Yole Brown it's not his real name but he named this substance after his fake name

47:37 And then before that there was Rhodes, so there was a patent on it in the 50's. And before that Victor Schauberger and Walter Russell and Tesla were all trying to teach everybody how all this worked and how it was much simpler than we had been presented even with Newtonian physics That really doesn't make sense when we observe nature I love it yes those are some of the names that i'm really intrigued by in terms of the people have been kinda left out of the science story, And to get into your actual products, you have like a whole house system and under the sink system shower filters even up portable water revitalizer. These are essentially revitalizers and vortexes for the dead stressed exhausted water that comes into our homes right? Correct!

48:34 Parallel off of the last portion of who is important in history and this, there's a guy by the name of Andreas Schultz. And very different from Momodo Emoto's work, I don't know if it has been so scrubbed and twisted that it is kind of like Tesla and Shawburger where you're gonna get a fantasy side of it in writing but when it comes time to get hardcore with it, its scrubbed out all the writing right? And there are more than stories behind that. There are factual evidence that these books were all scrubbed where these people went to share the more simple, you know the 12-step method of music of how this fits together and what it means when you create harmony and how harmony has a definition. So basically the basis behind all this technology no matter which way we do it is just like an instrument like you can have a guitar that plays harmony can have a piano or violin strings brass

49:30 And all these instruments break the laws of physics and then you put them all together in an orchestra, right? So that's Waters job is to give birth to the instruments and help regulate the environment at which this birth occurs. There's a human parody that goes on here that goes all the way to cancer with this stuff and understanding what's really going on, which takes the fear out of the equation. Right? So if you study white and black magic or just magic moreover before you start judging it as white or black there's a mechanism for attention and intention to deceive would be black magic to trick this could be fun too like how you pull prank on your buddy is way more fun than just telling a joke

50:15 That's kind of how the universe works, but it's like a little bit of stress to make more humor out of this and the humor in the end outweighs the stress. Sure And sometimes you go too far right? Then your like oh shit they got hurt You know Oh man I just hurt my buddy and your like man i'm so sorry this was supposed to be funny ya know? And then they get you back and you can't criticize them ya know and now Sometimes the whole thing just becomes unraveled Black magic is more on the grounds of The way it's being conducted is to deceive to the point of destruction meaning there is intention To cause harm from one spirit to another It's probably best to start at there rather than from one being or one human or Human to planet Probably best to look at the spirit side of this as what is underneath this that striving in how does that heal?

51:07 And how would water automatically help that heal because of observing what it really does? What does water really do, you know. It makes better relationship with all things without judgment and then I'm like whoa! And this is like mathematical this is geometrical this is calculable and that's the hard part to explain because You know in a democracy setting where people have opinions with no experience and it's just all over the place, it's total chaos. It's anarchy. Democracy is a way to go to anarchy if you ask people who have no idea what they're doing or never looked at it what their opinion is

51:45 And I know I represent a depth of that and a controversy of that, but I always like to let people know it's through my study because I don't believe in wasting my time or anybody else's reinventing the wheel. So I go back through history and not...I don't just read, I go oh! That's a great idea, I'm gonna try that too. There are no excuses, no money excuses, nothing. Let's try this and watch what happens And if we're not sure in the beginning, let's do it over and over again until we get some kind of clue what we do know about this and what we don't. I think I represent a more... We don't know about water at all so quit trying to define it like as easy water is Browns gas As this that or the other we have to be real generic What we can say now is plasma means nothing to water

52:38 Because water, no matter which phase it's in of the three phases other than transition is always in transition and is always supporting life. It may support the life that turns around and rips everything apart to start over again if we don't watch out. So I'm not a big guy, and acting like water's this nice loving female caressing thing that's always... because that's not a reality! Water can turn into one of the most destructive things in the world if it's time to tear everything down And it will support the pathogenic line If that's where it ends up so

53:18 That gets pretty deep on what it is, what it isn't and the fact of what our products deal with. So Andrea Schultz basically found a way to repetitively show that when we choose to stress water too much, it becomes nasty and so does everything in it. That's kind of the extreme on the flip side of the coin We can also encourage it to harmonize as its primary function for what we call constructive energies not pathogenic behavior. So there's your dipole between tearing things down to try it again or building things up with a higher quality and without getting into the depth of the science that's what every product we sell in what we call the passive ionization sense which is studied in conventional engineering for a long time

54:10 Basically, it doesn't wear out. It doesn't require any chemicals That's the cool part of the technology is it takes a step in hey we mine a very little bit from the earth and now it works forever to a degree within reality of our lifetimes and Gets better as it works because of the energy that's present that the water Condenses from the desires of the universe which is to bring life forward And recently we've gotten more into filtration and dealing with that aspect in the highest quality. We've been able to study over the last, you know 12 years of our conception and you know new products all the time and kind of raising the bar a little bit right now so principally were de-stressing the water and bringing in life force energy instead of teaching like complex nuclear physics which isn't any more complex than music itself

55:08 Now it's kind of like simple life force energies of here is what promotes growth and here is what promotes degeneration, and both are necessary for the life cycle to go on. It's as simple as everything you can see or perceive in this physical world breathes in-and-out, and out is food for another and the in is food from another And so now we become fundamental with our relationship as beings and as human beings what we physically do in contribution for the whole globe, always inherently. Yeah, I think that's a great summary. And when I look at the details of these products and getting into the CarboGene filter, I see that you use Ormis which is super interesting and Shungite which is another really interesting thing to be in there pretty unconventional from most other household filters

56:06 Talk to us a little bit about the inclusion of shungite and ormus because ormus that story is quite interesting we've talked about it before, another one of those things where people are still a little fuzzy on what it really is mono atomic gold sure we can say that but you know that doesn't really explain it in layman's terms but. Those are just interesting inclusions oh I agree and i don't think were you know at a point of like a knowing where we can say this is what it is hands down. I think its all very transitional, your intro

56:42 pointed out those concepts of, you know how like shouldn't we be asking the question before we just say okay or miss. And so I'm coming and I'll give you where I'm coming from right? I'm coming from an atomic not a chemical or electron Ian model right? And I want to know what the electron is and nobody is doing a very good job explaining it in my career right chemist don't explain it very well when I asked they can answer the question that Tom at guys are like who cares the atom's the core of it, the electrons have to follow along with what the core does. And I'm like ah okay so you're saying that atom is a foundational piece not the electron right? This relates to where we head with ORMIS and where we head with the Shungite. So this is part of what I'm teaching people whether you're a chemist or whether your PhD. I don't care what your title is like I have real world experience with this stuff and

57:39 Get the outcome repeatedly so you know hudson was the guy who was farming and i have a great interest in soil and the electrical nature and so my dad was a chemist and I lean towards being at atomist and neither of us thought there was a lot of deep truth in the way it was told to either side of that. And then you have the point in between the two, like how matter forms more like John Keely and Walter Russell and Victor Schauberger and Tesla on and on those are some of the famous ones but there's more who contributed greatly Steinmetz well he hit it in a mathematical equation what is an imaginary number where did they come from these are all questions right

58:23 People are taught math. What's an imaginary number? Math teacher doesn't know it was a necessary part to explain Energies that weren't quantifiable that came into the system and left the system So we created another dimension, and we called it negative J And you know we put some inverse Functions on it real simple flip it over and run it backwards and see what it does is it symmetrical or not You know And so now this opens up the entire door to, like you said do we have an understanding of What about centrifugal forces and what about centripetal forces? And what if both of them were always going on at the same time, and then you get the toroid now. Then you get vortex-based mathematics and Marko Rodin. Then you find out Marko Rodin didn't discover vortex based mathematics It was talked about 200 years ago in all sorts of mystery schools in different ways They just didn't publish it too as much people so you see the same story over and over again

59:25 I'm not a big like institutionalized religious person in any way. I am educated on many different religious fashions but that's not what iIm interested in, I'm not interested in subscribing to these institutions. I'm interested in where they provide harmony for each other meaning I'm interested how do we put this together? Not take it apart so we can claim ownership of a piece and rename it again and confuse everybody Right? So it's the confusion of what this stuff is. So ORMIS implies something that's better for something, but if you use it too much... Too much will cause imbalance and now you'll start to stress the system so Is it gold or is it the principle of being stable

1:00:09 in a different spin state. In other words, a different chord A different set of frequencies because nobody's ever isolated single frequency in any analysis anywhere at anytime Nobody has ever proved absolute zero You know Tesla was really interested in Crooks research and Dewar's research on trying to stop motion within the universe observably And when they were exhausted, they came out and they said forever and all is alive in emotion. This idea of controlling fundamental and rudimentary energies of the universe is ridiculous! Why would we want to stop life anyways? So they all kind went on to now let's start doing things more efficiently

1:00:55 And that's what the technology embodies and as far as a residence goes, and as far as you go we provide that across the board. It simply putting more constructive free to make decisions water in your body has nothing to do with the atom or battery energy of the world those are like side consequences Those are like, yeah of course you would get a bigger battery with it. Of course you'd get more reliability. Of course you would get that because its better whole unit like we have a better race car, we have a better submarine, we have a better airplane. Like the whole thing is better and often people want to know what's better about the water? And its like to your senses ya know, its softer to your conscious senses. To your subconscious senses, its balancing things that you don't even know about

1:01:46 And you can trust that there's plenty of evidence not everyone can understand it and it's that much harder to present. To people who are programmed in a certain direction of taking things apart to take ownership which is largely what school teaches us more or less underneath at all on the black magic sense yes and all that black magic you know, the media keeping us in a stressful fear state It seems like that's a frequency that is held in the water in our bodies potentially it's definitely affecting a ton of people and i've heard you refer to your products as kinda like living or going accumulators which is a description that high appreciate i was a big fan of some other well home right material and.

1:02:33 I guess it's just curious to me. So if we're looking at water and, yeah, I had an experience similar to yours in Mount Shasta where the water they say takes 50 years to really come from the snow at the top to the bottom pretty insane. It's a statistic or a fact that has stuck with me because I'm like this water has been traveling longer than I've been alive. That seems so weird but it was...it really was great water Me and my wife felt like as we continued on our road trip, it stayed cold in the jar longer. Just a weird observation maybe it was a placebo effect kind of thing but I can understand how water traveling from the top of Mount Shasta to the bottom is filtered to such an insane degree and kept at the right temperature and it goes through this process and it comes out as good as water could be potentially

1:03:28 That makes sense to me, but it's a little harder for me to wrap my mind around how trash city water full of all this bullshit comes to our house and you've got these products that are shorter than me. I mean there are couple feet and they have the stuff inside them it's harder for me to understand how that corrects the water with such a narrow a narrow device you know in arrow pipe i mean i can't see across section inside of it i know your vortexing that but, you know what im getting at its like the water is trash coming from the city and then it comes into our house and then who goes through this two foot thing that you've developed. And now it's back to quality water help me out there yeah it is the amazing part of where u get to

1:04:22 kind of going back to the unified model is time cannot be a dictator of things. So that's like a program, it takes X amount of time to achieve things okay whatever you say that limitation is then that's likely to be the manifest The disclaimer is your tap water going through our device won't be as good as the Shasta water And it's not because it takes 50 years for the water to go through the process at all. It has to do with the mass of the energy of the earth that place thats always affecting the water which is instantaneous devoid of time So in other words we could emulate the process of taking fifty years to get down the side of a mountain, to get to drinking status and we could accelerate that and get damn close from

1:05:12 electrodynamic equation, the energy balance of that whole equation and make that water contain just as much power. What we cannot replicate is the constant evolution of the water being from that spot on the earth. That is the different equation we can't emulate, but that builds up over time so if you look at having units in houses and in multiple houses or you talked about earlier like how would you deliver the water to the mid-size city? Well if we built our devices we'd have to mine too much shungite We'd have to do all this stuff right well simply in the city

1:05:54 Every section of pipe could have a section that induces left spin and right spin energy over and over again. You could create beats, you can create patterns like two for one, like two to the left one on the right... That's different! That makes it different charge on the water It's a different beat, a different pattern Does it make a drastic difference? No I like Mount Shasta Water One of my favorites as far as the bottle water category. So, you know I got onto that right quick oh bam this i'm super sensitive to water so Shasta Water is nice it's good Sedona Water that's nice good You know a couple others right they still have properties in them But the longer they sit on the shelf and that plastic bottle The more they're exposed to direct sunlight for too long The more they're exposed to wi-fi for too long waters reading all that and adjusting itself to adapt its

1:06:47 itself and adapt the Wi-Fi, believe it or not. It doesn't go all this is a human being I care about that it doesn't care about the difference it sees all...it's so foundational that it sees every atom as a living being and that's what its adjusting with if you get into deeper layers So these atoms like Ormus like Hudson found out gold isn't gold Gold has a DNA of vibration in it that you can tell where it came from on the earth. Shungite is from the North Pole, the North Pole energy is subtly different than the South Pole energy but its very different when your looking at that subtle line

1:07:27 So these substances tend to cooperate with everybody's story. And what I found funny in my whole journey with this, trying to answer the same questions when I came into it that you're asking and Schultz was one of them that showed look there is like an instantaneous change when you trigger so there is a trigger, an impulse that sends water into the right mode. Now it's in a mode, okay it's the same exact function this would be better for laymen for people who are into health and healing of autoimmune versus regular immune and parasympathetic versus sympathetic nervous system The water has that exact same property within it from an electrodynamic standpoint So where may it be coming from? In the human body

1:08:19 is autoimmune as a stuck memory pattern in the blood which is due to behavior put on the water for too long, my opinion. And we talked about a lot of high-level stuff just to simplify as were wrapping up what do you consider the most important daily rituals to stay and help or to stay in harmony obviously drinking living water is there more to say? I would say building their relationship with water however UCFET obviously other people have ideas You can do whatever you want and so not just like starting the day with living water but putting a.

1:08:58 a foundational process underneath what that first morning water is or how I might get it. It could be like walking on the dew just before the sun rises up until the sun rises and a little bit to the sunrise getting water through your feet bottoms, that's very special water that just went through a pole change right through the sidereal time and that might be your ritual or you might have a lot of rituals to start the day but what you're doing is building a deeper relationship using one of your physical necessary and etherical necessary master elements really to connect to the earth and the female energies or mother energies. And that connects with the rest of universe as you go so water is just like this necessary instrumental fundamental thing for most people there are exceptions, that can do this provide this transition for you

1:09:55 evolution that's more of a leap. It happens gradual, but it is more of a leap and from there I think there is a more subconscious guidance that you get for the people who are called to work with water this isn't for every human being I fully admit For some people water is chemical and that will always be and its not going to inhibit their experience as a human being through earth in my opinion thats what they're choice or they're This is kind of for people who go, yeah water's I get it. That's my master element if I had to make relationship with one element, I guess I would choose water because I'm a big water sack and my brain is mostly water and everything else. And maybe this waters just kinda like a dense ether and its really good connection to the divine uh...to whatever we call that! We can make up our own story on that canvas and we don't have to become programmed or instituted so there's like freedom in it in my opinion

1:10:51 And alchemy, like study alchemy and realize the reason why alchemy was probably successful is because they created rituals in depth understanding of copying nature. Burning and exalting and recondensing... If you do that kind of thing more with water the better results you get from it without a shadow of doubt You can take a scientific process and why can one human get more out of it than another? It's like, why can one race car driver make that car go faster than the other even though it is the same race car. Right? It's your sensing, it's your desire, whatever it is for the time

1:11:29 So 100% the relationship and your limitations or lack thereof is what allows water to become like medicine level if that's what you want. To become very healing, to become like the indigenous people talked about and like Victor Schauberger talked about many many other people on the globe it's really your relationship and you don't really even have to believe just be open that water is a magical substance that can do things we can't explain and it's denser than most of the other ones as far as immediate results go. And it also performs on the scientific line, meaning it does enough repetition to say there are valid arguments in this for every positive and negative effect we see happen on the planet right now

1:12:18 Right on. I like it and calling it a dense ether is provocative, I'm definitely going to remember that one and just before we start wrapping up and giving people the links, I wanted to throw this in here but I understand you've done a couple of ayahuasca ceremonies and I have a friend who's done several as well the listeners know Gordon White really well but he has a lot of great material across a wide range of subjects but he likes following this water science too And when it comes to the ayahuasca purge, it's pretty common for people to say that it's not exactly vomit. There is too much volume there given the stripped down diet you're usually on leading up to the experience and Gordon has this hypothesis that maybe there's a relationship between the purge and the gel water in our cells

1:13:08 And that, that might be part of what a person is spewing up. It might be part of the detoxification of the purge. What do you think? I had the same experience and I was like that, you know, a pole reversed in the equation, like a lot of fine spread out stuff. Like this is the way I would describe it condensed in your core And I won't go into detail, but it doesn't seem possible what that... and-and I wasn't a heavy purger. Most of the people in the room, because I did like a 35 group circle ceremony

1:13:47 And most of the people in the room, like I was like that. I don't even know how that's possible. I was kind of like one and done and poof off into other dimensions learning about how the universe works again having a good old time once i got through my healing and my pain side of it you know which was very pointed purge so I believe there's a memory going away with that, that has to do with the more hardened water which kind of would be what they try and talk about as the gel water. Which i think is kind of confusing when you look at the full story of it but the more hardened like hard drive memory like I believe some of that is coming out same way you get rid of the hardness in water and erase some of its memory

1:14:33 but you can never erase its identity. It's always going to stay the same as far as that goes so some truth in that and I've looked at some correlations similar, i'm not familiar with people's work enough to speak on it but I made that correlation with ayahuasca and core memory and the spinal column you know when the atomic force microscope discovered that water actually grows itself into solid material and has nothing to do with the easy water explanation and that type of gel water. And it has nothing to do with new phases because its a mixture of soft solids, and liquids so you got two phases going on in any living water almost always. Then if its moving free have a gaseous phase there too that strikes up known as Water Plasma

1:15:22 and now in carbon nanotubes they're seeing water freeze under way off conditions like freezing at boiling points and all sorts of anomalies right so you got water that's basically coming out breaking all the laws of physics that were placed on it by a limited physics. And do you have a full open field in canvas to paint and create on, use water as your conductor of your own orchestra and all the parts and pieces that you bring into your life, that everybody knows you want a higher quality life and bring more joy and limit the suffering. But everybody knows suffering has a purpose too right now I think the whole picture in the planet is suffering too much and it's been done by artificial means that is opposing nature so 100%

1:16:14 with you on the perspective that it is time and I'm just here to kind of help usher that in. Amen, me too! Just trying to help push that pendulum back the other way. Yep. But man...I love it we covered a lot of ground. I really appreciate the water education class we had here today and on so many other things we clearly got educated And I really am impressed with the products you're making to revitalize the water that we've been mistreating for too long Let the people know anything else you'd like to tell them before we go your links where to get the products any deals or new products in the works all that good stuff. Yeah so naturalaction.com is our main website, We also have a member site that you become a member and you can get access to past webinars which I do like presentations and interviews

1:17:08 So some of the presentations visualize and show a little bit more like graphing data, things to more quantify what we're talking about that are harder to do words with the behavior water. For those who want to dive in a little bit deeper, The Member site is great with data and other papers and other people's work like James DeMaio and Benny Johansen and Andrea Schultz' work You know, a little bit of the broader picture and then products. We pilot products for about a year and we basically develop with customers input so we have a pretty solid idea where we want to go on why in scientific evidence to boot

1:17:51 But in the end we want a customer feedback that says this is what it did for me, this is what I like. So you know the new products we're out with are basically what we call the MagneRay technology that came about because of the grace of ManeRays and the fact that we were using a magnetic array and a different arrangement birthed to term MagneRay which is unique geometry surrounding the water of a certain type magnet design and direction where we actually try and inhibit the amount of magnetic field because as our webinars are talking about there's other more subtle forces underneath the magnet. We're more interested in putting those in the water than we are using magnetic force in the water which also has a purpose so it's our unique way up starting this zero point conversation by the use of magnets to bring water up to

1:18:47 you know, let's just say more horsepower in the life horse field and it's like terrain. It's going to work in your body where is needed most probably not necessarily where you think its needed most but y'all all can work together better when that life force is in there and that's a whole history of work we're covering in the webinar so really proud of the... And we offer that for the whole home in the portable the Magna Ray series we call it MR24 in the carbon jean And in addition there's atomic information involved that the pure nano level particle of a lot of silver, some ormis gold, some seawater ormis. In other words like a lot of trace minerals rather than using them up we're basically transcribing the vibrations of those in a different state into the water is a little bit beyond theory and that water carries it to your body

1:19:42 Works from the inside out rather than outside and if you were doing vibrational treatment from the outside so it has somewhat of a theoretical slash model view of Practitioning for healing but in the very subtle sense. Those are two new hot ones We got a lot of practical stuff we're doing whole home filtration with whole home ionization or passive ionization, revitalization whatever you want to call it water structuring. A lot of names for it just overall quality deliver and more conscious living state is probably the added periphery layer up the story and really high-quality filters we researched for a long time in combinations that make them more practical to bring overall water quality up as something thats new

1:20:31 We got a wine, tabletop wine unit we're coming out with. Believe it or not this technology like highly alters the quality of wine because it's mostly water so it tends to like age or mature wine instantly So when people want to know how can change water so fast It's like how could an aged wine 80 years or 100 years? Like right now...so that's the new product kind off the topic health and more in the eyes pleasure enjoyment and agriculture I think we have a few new things on the horizon yet to come, but I don't want to mention it. The MR24 carbon gene has really good reviews over the last year from our users and we were hoping it was going to be worth this step up. If I had to tell anybody where to start with the shower and portable

1:21:21 And there's other companies who manufacture this stuff who also achieve very similar things. Our uniqueness is in our Shungite recipe and our quartz, and the way we manufacture it and put it together. Our flow mechanics are somewhat unique on most of our like pressure line units with the exception of the portables and they last for a lifetime, and they don't require any service. And if you're not spiritual they are very practical, and if you're not practical they can be very spiritual in the progression of what human life experience is. The change is significant

1:21:58 I would say probably 90 plus percent of the people use it and we have like a 90 day, We will not hassle you at all. If you don't like it send it back if it doesn't... You know, we don't oversell generally you know some people make claims that will cure you of things. I don't believe in that, i believe the person has to decide they want a heal and has to apply the full measure but if there was one thing that's easy to change i would say it'd be this technology and water and there is set-it forget-it mode and there's an alchemic mode too it and you can do both if you want you know it doesn't hurt its synergizes helps all your absorption work a little bit better so even people on pharmaceutical

1:22:38 Prescriptions started getting side effects that they didn't have for years when they start drinking like a better balanced living water. It's not the waters like I'm not going to let the pharmaceutical in because it is bad, but water is gonna make the pharmaceutical as effective as it can be for whatever musical recipe it is or isn't And they would get side effects. They would say after, right after I started drinking that water this started happening and I'd be like, Hey it usually doesn't have a big negative unless you're detoxing real hard and no, I don't feel like I'm detox because I don't feel bad. Are you on medicine? Prescription medicine? Yes. Okay we're not giving medical advice here but take less of it to see what happens

1:23:18 And then people would, for years people would call. I don't like to have this conversation a lot in the public eye because it's like you're giving medical advice to tell somebody to reduce their prescription and so at their own will they reduced their prescription and eventually they'd get off of it and say I don't even need anymore. Doctor says that this is better and thats better but he still likes me to do this but im not going to be able to do that cause I feel so much better now Im eating Now my whole life cascaded into the changes because it gave me that confidence that there is a reality to a lot of these statements that people make, but any one thing probably no. But if there was one thing

1:24:02 I mean, that's why I changed my career. I was an industrial engineer. I used to develop custom machinery for aerospace. You know what I mean? I was like boom! I'm done with that. I'll move into this. I'm getting involved with agriculture. I'm getting involved with understanding the earth and the water and you know this company just kind of happened to be where it worked out where okay, I can take something that had a good start in a lot of harassment see if we can keep this going and build on a good thing and make it better. So that's where we're at, working with folks like yourself who obviously have a very deep conscious understanding of what is needed

1:24:40 If we're truly going to implement the talk about wanting to take care of the planet and be green right now, it's just a bunch of fluff. You know? It's just corporate dominant fluff with kind of small independent movements and people. And that'll build some strength because they're willing to amplify this if we can all get together and implement these independent smaller movements of reconnecting, you know, Wim Hof and cold water therapy and breathing. And really just working in the basic primal sense, you know? It's a beautiful thing. I love your show and your willingness to ask the question and go down all the roads. All that stuff beyond water has always been what... You know ETs like what's up with that? Let's have that conversation! Are we the most intelligent people in the universe

1:25:30 I hope not. That's a slight to the universe in my opinion. Yes, I'm with you man really good stuff and you mentioned James DeMaio i should mention that he did study and endorse the product that he was testing and that's an endorsement I would hold in high regard He has been here before so the audience knows uh... he doesn't mess around So if he likes the products your putting out there That is probably good enough for a lot of people, but very cool. Yeah James is one of the guys I consider to be really legit in his work we've never met and talked at all But like a lot of our UV spec work corroborates with what he reported and you know The water magazines and as have published and we're working on supporting that and explaining that

1:26:19 further and I love that research side, you know of getting with and go asking these questions and going how do we explain this? So real beautiful time for me in my own personal like research and questions but at the same time for the company. And after 12 I'm like man if this is around for 10 years it ain't gonna go away. I really gotta commit to this it's gonna stay and its not a easy thing to do You know, because everybody wants a push button solution and wants it for everybody right now. And it's going to be a little bit of an uphill hike but I'm up for it. And very thankful for platforms like this and your ability to reach and educate people. And I hope I can contribute to adding something to it. Other than that, really honored and grateful to be on your show

1:27:08 Yes, man. Very much appreciated I like to see people out there improving the world instead of just bitching about how bad it's gotten so kudos to you for doing that and take care! And also do you take care Hallelujah people how about it? Obviously water has become one of those threads that we've looked at from an esoteric alternative perspective and It does seem like there's a lot more to it than we were ever taught and I think we know why George Wiseman, Gerald Pollack, Dr. Dana Cohen, Shimon Jannir even Aaron and Jeremiah just a couple shows back said something about water being just a dense ether I'm pretty sure or did John say that? I've been recording a lot and some comments have started to blend together but somebody said it and it makes sense to me

1:28:00 John did have a great analogy with studying the eggshell and throwing away the white and the yolk. It's like science has largely only studied the water molecule in isolation, as Gerald Pollack said. So the communicative properties of water have been completely left out! I mean just think about it how can you study water structure with a single molecule? So it does seem to me that John clearly studied water at a deep level and made a lot of compelling points. I'm excited to see if i notice a difference in water that has been revitalized with the pitcher pour-through device? I bought the expensive one because as I always say, subtle effects and changes tend to go unrecognized by me so I wanted to go with the most supercharged product so I have the greatest chance of seeing or tasting a difference

1:28:50 So, you know I'm neutral. I just find John's perspective and product offerings intriguing but i haven't used anything yet so I can't really say one way or another My product is interviews and in that department we scored today. I thought it was pretty compelling Obviously I like to let people know what was in the plus show And this one talked about how cell water relates to health The effects of some of his products, he has a pool filter that we talked about where it's been reported that it feels like you're floating in gel and your aura can be sensed more clearly. Which led us to talk about the stories of old natural healing hot springs

1:29:31 We also got into if ghosts and paranormal experiences are the spiritual memory of the ether. That is John's theory, it's quite compelling He also did some work looking into the Reif microscope so we talked about the importance of that and pleomorphism The work of Walter Russell And that question of if humanity needs to be ready for this change in energy systems You guys know it's kind of a pet peeve of mine when that response is given because if the answer is, well humanity has to be ready this is something we've heard before as part of the answer as to why we don't have so many things from free energy systems to alien contact but okay well how much of humanity has to be ready? Is it every single person? Is it 51% of people like... When you get into what that means It seems a little hard to pin down

1:30:24 But regardless, we also talked about his work on a free energy device using water and how soon it might hit the market. Sign up for PLUS if you like what I do! I think we've had some bangers lately and you get a 7-day free trial right off the bat so no risk, no loss all reward all gain And while we're doing pitches yeah John offered us that coupon code and i just wanted to make sure that i passed it on to you THC-10 for 10% off, $1500 or less. THC-20 for 20% off, $1500 or more Do your own research I just ask the questions Seems cool to me though obviously Or i wouldn't have had them on Where I live I have no way To use the whole house filter No garage, no basement

1:31:15 place where that could be mounted really. So I thought about the under-the-sink unit, but that's just one faucet so it felt more logical to get the pour through slash pitcher device so i can test on beer and wine and coffee too like he mentioned. I'll drink from it for a week or so and let you know what I think I will add this one testimonial that i thought you'd like to know about, but John's YouTube channel has a clip from a woman named Susan Decker who owns Blue Star Farms. It's a farm in the New England area and she did an experiment where she watered crops with structured water units from Natural Action Tech vs a control group and said that plants that got structured water

1:32:03 showed a significant difference in being bigger, taller stronger plants and that it was obvious to the naked eye. So someone who has a farm as their business I don't think they're messing around. I don't think she would say she got results if she hadn't but get a product or not it is all food for thought and this is just another water episode to add to the stack! I like it In Hireside News, join me and the Gramerica guys for a weekend at Mount Shasta in February. Contact at TheCabin.com if you want to go the details are all there You're looking for the Magic on the Mountain event Bound to be a good time And let's look at the calendar at Hiresidemeetups.com

1:32:48 I'm putting this show out on October 5th, so tomorrow October 6 we got the Los Angeles Truthers going to Flame International Restaurant on Santa Monica Boulevard in LA. Still trying to work out if i can make it up to that... It is a bit of a trek you know? But it's also fun to meet the people Anyway, October 8th we got the Bizarre Tales podcast and THC meetup at Old Lloyd's Arms Pub in Grimsley England. Bringing the tribes together! That's what it's about Now on October 9th we got the Rising Conspiracy Full Moon Meet-Up People near Cleveland should know that they can go to The Winking Lizard in Lakewood Ohio and have a good time with other THC fans

1:33:37 I also see events this month in Redlands, California. In Des Moines Iowa Another one in London One in New York New York One in Philly It's stacking up! I love it It's great to see the calendar be a little less bare each month So good stuff Making friends Building the network And finding people you can trust To not panic The next time they throw a bunch of fear porn at us But that's it for me. Naturalaction.com if you want to check out what John's got to offer and if ya do, leave a voicemail review and we'll put them all out there in the next joint session or something but until then I'm getting outta here take care of you and yours! I've done my part Your move structured water suppressors water science sensors and H2O authorities who don't want us to know about that sweet sweet water magic your fuckin' move

1:34:32 When I get down, I eat a bunch of corporate junk that makes you fat. The street is the mix! You have to face it wrong Got an addiction to the digital technology and then i try to quit but it's sick Discipline there's no honor Discipline don't have to fake the big conspiracy in every one of them

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