John Potash | Drugs As Weapons Against Us: CIA Operations, Kurt Cobain, Tupac, & More

00:03 No need for arduous seeking. All you have to do is follow the clues. You start to see this as a simulation, as a type of computerized AI manufactured reality. We are playing like putty into the hands of the manipulators who are just setting us at war with each other. Mr. Zom will surely have a plan. Maybe something... Without the X-Men

01:08 Hit me with your best shot, Hiresight Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and if you connect a few dots through the history of the eugenics movement, the foundations of the compulsory school system, experimentations of the MK Ultra era and general operations of CIA including their involvement in arts & entertainment It's easier to see how the recurring refinement of the many arms of the social engineering machine has brought us to a place today where every news story plays out like a scripted drama, new orders and mandates are generally obeyed without question and any organized rebellion or artistic inspiration has been carefully designed to unironically serve the big machine.

01:49 The anti-establishment artists of the past and their blue haired rebellious youth fans are now climate change activists and promoters of ESG agendas. Counterculture has become corporate culture, and those looking for any ideological true north in the arts are probably feeling quite lonely and uninspired Today, the dial has been turned up to 11 in a total cultural capture from people who have been tinkering under the hood of mind control and mass consciousness for a long time. And few know the road that got us here better than today's guest John Ptash John is a truly great journalist and author. His first book, The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders came out in 2007 and he followed it up with an even more explosive and all-encompassing masterwork Drugs as Weapons Against Us the CIA's murderous targeting of SDS Panthers Hendricks Lenin Cobain Tupac and other activists which really should be required reading if you ask me

02:48 Both of these books have been turned into documentary films as well, and when combined with his latest work—the film Shots! Eugenics to Pandemics—you have a well-researched roadmap of the true history and manipulation of everything going back over a century. So brace yourself and let's get into it. The assassinated artist, storyteller, CIA operations author, and deep diving dot connector John, welcome to The Higher Side Thanks for having me on, Greg. This book meticulously details how a group of opium trafficking families came to form an American oligarchy and eventually achieved global dominance. They directed the CIA in operations such as MKUltra, pushing LSD and other drugs on leftist leaders in left-leaning populations at home and abroad

03:51 Evidence supports that this oligarchy further led the United States into its longest-running wars in the ideal areas for opium crops, while also massively funding wars in areas of coca plant abundance for cocaine production under the guise of a war on drugs that is actually the use of drugs as a war on us. And that's what so unique about your work. When a lot of people talk about the elite families of America and the robber baron class, they start with The Rockefellers and Standard Oil or The Rothschilds and fractional reserve banking but they're missing this entire drug running aspect until it gets brought up in much more recent decades but this really is foundational to the story. Talk to us about some of this history that goes back even before the 1800s

04:38 Yeah, so it basically started with the British East India Company and they're trafficking you know it's basically just dealing with opium. And they were dealing with opium in their colonization of India and in India they were getting all kinds of cheap opium through the enslavement of India So... The best opium fields were, or poppy fields tended to be around the same mountain range. The Himalayan mountain range running from Afghanistan, basically to the Vietnam area. And it ran through India and so there was lots of poppies growing best all up that corridor but particularly growing best at each end of the mountain range what they call the Golden Crescent of poppy fields around Afghanistan and the Golden Triangle of poppy fields around the Vietnam area

05:34 And so it's no coincidence, of course again that the longest wars in US history were in those two regions. And so the most money was made off of those regions and this started in the 1600s 1700s but it was really dominated by the British East India Company with American wealthy folks wealthy families joining in. The Russells were probably the biggest family and the Russell happened to be founders of Yale University and the Pierponts were involved, those families were intermarried. The families that founded Columbia University, the Lowe's, the Cabot's that founded Harvard were all involved and they were all very close. And they were considered the first oligarchs really of America. Now they, of course, Pierponts spawned John Pierpont Morgan

06:24 who, you know the Morgan Bank. JPMorgan bank joined with Rockefeller's Chase Bank and now it's called JPMorgan Chase that's the largest bank in the world so these are some of the wealthiest folks in the world that a lot their money really stem from this opium trading back then we led up to the Opium Wars against China because China tried to ban opium trading in their country because they saw what was doing to people and it was basically used to sedate and oppress their people. And so they tried to fight it, and they lost the wars that banned it in the whole country got taken over by European powers after that. So these kind of opium wars I argue then led to the fighting over this situation and use of opium to sedate divide and oppress the masses in United States and other countries thereafter

07:19 Yeah, that is a great summary. And I want to drill down a little more on this Ivy League aspect because this was completely new to me but yes you note that The Russell family rose to the top of the opium trade and intermarried with the other elite families, such as the Cabots and the Pierponts. Pierpont, as you said is the P in JPMorgan. And the Russell's put much of their wealth into Ivy League colleges and formed groups like Skull & Bones in 1833 which gave members today's equivalent of 200K each on graduation. I didn't know that about Skull & Bones that they actually

07:58 gave their graduates money. I mean, that's how a lot of the elite say they're self-made but really they have this backstop of tons of cash And Skull and Bones at Yale was built, and still today is supported by the Russell Trust. So all that money is in a trust that is fueling this. You also note that Columbia University has the Lowe Library dedicated to an opium trader. Princeton's biggest initial benefactor was John Green who was one of these opium dealers. I just found this really fascinating because we hear about

08:34 Rockefeller's investment in schooling for the masses and crafting the allopathic only medical education, but all the elite universities do come through this opium money pipeline. It touches all of them it seems Yeah, it really does. And it's a huge corrupt business and even up to today they found JP Morgan owned ships you know tankers were caught with tons of cocaine coming from South America so this stuff is still going on today obviously all this drug trafficking

09:09 Yes, and so the next big stop on this path is probably talking about the CIA. I think this audience is well aware of CIA drug running but it's really eye-opening to put in the wider continuum and we can fold in their famous MKUltra research but also the lesser known fact that the CIA quote, spent vast amounts of money on foundations that funded all the major artists for several decades after its inception in 1947 in an attempt to control how Americans thought and acted. What would you say to drill that home for people who might not see it?

09:47 Yeah, no that's a really important point and we're going to go deep into that in a moment. I just do want to say you brought up the Russell Trust. The Russell Trust also started the eugenics movement and the eugenics movement was a genocidal movement in the United States in early 1900s and they used the Eugenics Record Office at Cold Spring Harbor and that same Cold Spring Harbor they were also had started MKUltra activities So these MKLT activities and the CIA activities in trying to control artists through foundations, funding certain artists that did their bidding and not helping artists that were going against what they wanted

10:24 and actually taking the passport away from artists that were fighting for black liberation and black equal rights, such as Paul Robeson. The incredible singer who's considered the best singer in the world. He had graduated from Columbia Law School. He was an actor. He was a brilliant man who could speak 20 languages. They took away his passport at one point. It did the same thing to Richard Wright, the first great best-selling black novelist with Paul Robeson, they ended up dosing his drink when he was in Russia. And they dosed him a number of times made him think like it was going insane. They dosed it with LSD and when his adult son, Paul Robeson Jr., came over to see what was happening with them they dosed him also and either does it with LSD or BZ? They're not sure which because BZ is super psychedelic but LSD if you put a lot of it in there can be incredible experience horrible experience too especially when you don't know what's going on

11:22 And so they basically had all these foundations and they had so many people in the industry that they were having, in effect control over a huge amount of the arts. You know whether it be writing music painting et cetera. Hmm right? And I think as eye opening is this is broadly there are some examples we can look at and specific artists that Were very big in the sixties and even promoting lsd culture the beetles would be a great example talk to us about how lsd entered the beatle's lives and how it wasn't exactly organic. Yes so,

12:07 What happened was, it was about 1965 in January of 1965. The assistant director of MKUltra a guy named Robert Lashbrook, a CIA agent named Robert Lashbrook went to London with loads and this is according to Ernest Hemingway's editor A.E. Hotchner in his book Blown Away about the Rolling Stones in the 1960s and whole scene in Britain He said that Robert Lashville came over to London with loads of LSD, loads of agents and loads of money. It directed his agents to get LSD in as many musicians hands as possible. We don't know who all these agents were but obviously a number more undercover. You got John Lennon and George Harrison going with their partners to dinner with George Harrison's dentist. The dentist has his girlfriend there

13:00 And the dentist proceeds to put LSD in their coffees without their knowledge, without George Harrison and John Lennon's knowledge. When John Lennon found out about it he was furious. He said what the hell did you do to me? And George Harrison said what is LSD? Never heard of it before because by that time even in Britain they just didn't really know about it. It was only United States that was getting more popular and so They proceeded to go on with their night trying to see a friend's band, but it was just a bizarre thing for a dentist to risk himself professionally to do something like that against wealthy musicians.

13:38 and not fear being sued. And he obviously had legal immunity because he was connected to powerful people, to do something like that. So a similar thing happened with Mick Jagger an undercover agent now this came out in London's Daily Mail which is the daily newspaper one of two top newspapers in London. The Daily Mail said that a guy named I forget his full name right now but this undercover agent Basically, he came to a party that was considered the acid king and he convinced Mick Jagger to try LSD for the first time in 1967 because Mick Jagger was more of a holdout. Some other Rolling Stones had tried acid before but Mick Jagger hadn't and they finally convince him to have some tea with LSD in it

14:25 and he was tripping, then the police came in and arrested everyone except this one undercover agent who had a huge briefcase full of all kinds of different drugs. And so after Mick Jagger did not want to promote acid they arrested him and ended up promoting acid inadvertently by saying he was tripping, he was arrested, they were doing you know acid and all that stuff. That's basically the way they manipulated these musicians into inadvertently promoting these drugs to the masses And I argue that they did that because studies have shown that acid can hurt our best thinking and hurt our best abilities. It just has a negative effect, whether it's the acid itself or its the rat poison strychnine that they cut acid with. Strychnines if you look at textbooks on acids, strychnines often cut into the acid and yeah just like baby powder might be found in cocaine

15:17 And basically, it's just hurting our brains and not having us be our best selves. And when these anti-war activists were doing all their anti racist pro civil rights, anti war organizing in the 60s they had to be at the top of their game because the forces were so powerful against them. In the South, of course it was with KKK and the FBI actually working with the KKK believe it or not even though Hollywood pretends like that the FBI was fighting against the KKK and in the North It was just you know The anti-war movement and in the West and around Berkeley and all the anti war movement was really growing The big way as Vietnam War was growing and young people were getting sent off to be killed in Vietnam

16:00 These were just some of the tactics used for sure. They use it against John Lennon, they use it against as I say The Rolling Stones but they also used it against American musicians but in America there was even a little bit more control and manipulation and insertion I argue and Dave McGowan wrote a great book about that called Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon by Covert Ops and Laurel Canyon and he showed evidence that bunch of these stars, these instant stars like the Mamas and the Papas. Crosby, Stills & Nash and people like that

16:39 all had intimate connections with military intelligence along with the wealthiest families. For example, David Crosby came from the Van Cortlandt-Rensselaer family and if you know of Van Cortlandt Park in New York it's a thousand acre park and there is a Van Cortlandt Expressway in New York City named for the Van Cortlandt family So these are some of the ways that the oligarchs got their own people as instant stars to manipulate these scenes. And Rockefeller's wife, one of Rockefeller's wives had a cousin who was a major force that got him beat up Pelicus and Laurel Canyon was a major force in shaping and manipulating musicians in that scene.

17:24 Yeah the laurel canyon chapter of this story is pretty wild and even george harrison and john lennon said that after they were spiked they didn't touch lsd for a long time but when they arrived to the laurel canyon scene it was. Crosby of Crosby, Stills and Nash and the birds that sort of or a party at his house where they got back into it because they said the social pressure was just so great. And David Crosby, of course he's one of these guys connected to one of the elite families. Yeah it's right in the middle of the civil rights era and the Vietnam War. It's funny that we're on the brink of another major war but we have no artists that are really

18:10 anti-war these days, but also it was acid King David Schneiderman who was the one who kind of got Mick Jagger involved in LSD and apparently he worked undercover for the FBI and MI5. It's the British version of FBI, yeah. I don't have any kind of opinions about anything. And, I just find that whole thing really interesting. Another thread of the Laurel Canyon era that I didn't know much about until your book was Lookout Mountain Laboratory talked to us about this a bit because they produced a staggering 19000 classified movies and film projects with top actors, directors and producers who all signed NDAs so this is no small operation

19:14 Yeah, it's incredible what came out of there. And it's incredible how many US intelligence agents were working in Lowell Canyon. It's not a big place and Los Angeles metropolitan area but there is all these people working at Lowell Canyon and we don't even know confidentiality agreements that they couldn't talk about what they're working on but it could have been a number of our propaganda Hollywood films that we think are just independent films but actually coming out of this military installation. It's really an Air Force film studio, but it was a state-of-the art studio that had incredible technical equipment to create these incredible movies and incredible effects

19:56 and the top directors were working there, top actors were working there. This is part of that scene where you've got other people having sex in drug parties to try to get actors using drugs for the first time introduced as actors, get them hooked, get musicians hooked and lure so many people into the drug world and hurt their minds sadly At the same time, a number of actors were also trying to get involved in a lot of activism. Actors like Donald Sutherland, Marlon Brando, Gene Seberg, they were all supporters of the Black Panthers and called themselves The White Panthers in support of The Black Panthers. They also were supporters of Peace and Freedom political party which was of course an anti-war party. So they were doing major work and they were very influential and this was a counter to that

20:49 Yeah, and I wanted to ask you a little bit about the drugs in general because this is an area where there might be some pushback. And even my younger self would probably push back and I really wasn't trying. There we go. I was going to ask but I really wasn't attracted to this perspective because to me Some of these drugs, marijuana in particular maybe mushrooms as well. Obviously these are things that do grow in the earth but they got me to question reality to think deeper about things to seek a greater fulfillment from life I found them to be very useful Of course

21:30 There are also casualties of all that, that I know in my life who didn't know when to put it down and went down a darker path. And I really don't have a lot of LSD experience. A lot of people say mushrooms and LSD are very similar but there is the important distinction that one is made in a lab and one does grow on Earth so I think maybe their effects might be overly simplified and associated when they shouldn't, but what would you say to people who think that a lot of drugs and compounds like this and entheogens actually served them well? And don't see how this would be some kind of operation to derail movements and wreck brains.

22:14 Yeah, I think there's a major distinction between psychedelic mushrooms and acid. Because acid was created by the CIA it was the top tool of the CIA and I show that in my book and film and I showed studies about acid and the problems it causes. Mushrooms from both the studies from personal experience, from other things. It just doesn't have the same effect. Yeah they're both psychedelics but different effects on the brain, different long-term effects and I'm neutral about drugs you know that drug legalization I'm basically neutral. I really just don't have a strong enough opinion to say but people can do any drugs they want The problem is when the tyrannical forces are rolling over us right now

23:02 and everyone's getting stoned, and not using their mind in the sharpest way. It can be hard to work against those tyrannical forces. We have to be at our sharpest to be creative and find ways to stop these forces from taking over our lives like they are right now. And get information out and putting products out that show that information the best way whether it'd be a humorous way or just the most creative way to get that information out there is important Now, MDMA or ecstasy in Mali these days that's causing brain damage. I have four studies that show that acid causes brain damage and again it can't be totally certain whether its acid itself or what its cut with like strychnine stuff you know rat poison

23:51 So these are definitely problems, dangerous problems. Now cocaine and heroin of course can cause physiological dependence and obviously cause major problems in life you know it doesn't hurt the brain necessarily as much as the psychedelics that I talked about you know they asked in MDMA but it can hurt your life obviously when you develop an addiction. Cocaine can be a really intense psychological addiction weed can be a psychological addiction And so when you're trying to work full-time jobs to support yourself, it's really hard to have time for activism when you're partying a lot. So that's the major issue but it's an important issue and it's great if someone feels like okay Gangstone had them awakened. It didn't really awaken me from anything but it was fun for awhile for sure But it definitely diverted me I almost dropped out of high school or just failed out of high school because I just didn't feel like taking any books home ever

24:45 And then in college, when I slowly weaned myself off of the weed. I could take it more seriously and do much better work of course. The shrooms they were fun for the moment they seemed like they were mind opening in some ways but really I was opening my mind in ways without the shrooms and the acid was damaging. The acid definitely caused damage and just made everything a little harder mentally but the important thing is that We don't have the money and other resources that the oligarchs, the wealthiest families have. So we just have to use our wits to defeat them and to kind of convince people about seeing things a different way than the ways that their huge amounts of propaganda try to get us to see. And some of the CIA documents just show their tactics of making people act in ways they think is in their best interest but it's really in interest of the oligarchs. That's why they can just convince us

25:41 Locking ourselves down for months and months at a time is good for us and healthier. And doing other things in a tyrannical way is actually healthy when it actually impoverished much of the world when there was these huge lockdowns that closed thousands and thousands of businesses permanently around the country, and around the world. So this is some of the tyranny that we have to work against Absolutely. Those are really fair points, and I was actually thinking about this in terms of a tough mutter or some kind of relay race with obstacles in it. If you think from the elite perspective that you have all these masses of people trying to make it economically and they're all in this race

26:24 You can set up obstacles like some of these compounds and some people will go right through them, no big deal. And they're still on the race but a lot of people will be tripped up by every single new obstacle on their way to that finish line and you could even say some people would propel themselves forward with the momentum of some of these obstacles but it's going to be a minority and the majority of people will probably get swallowed up by them and never reach that finish line. And I think that's kind of a good analogy for the way the elite think about the masses, and the trajectory of life in trying to climb the economic ladder. When you look at the templates to a lot of these different artists that you lay out in

27:10 It's very clear that they're using a playbook against so many artists and activists. It's really outspoken artists or ones who are inspiring movements to be anti-war, or pro equality. Hendricks is a good example because Hendricks also touches up against the Black Panthers, which are obviously a huge part of your work. But talk to us about the co-opting of Jimi Hendrix, his manager Mike Jeffrey and the alternative take on his death? Yeah, so Jimi Hendrix couldn't get famous in the United States. There was too much racism to allow him to turn into this great independent artist. So he went to England where these top stars who saw him instantly recognized his musical genius, his guitar playing genius. He first made it big in England and

28:01 He suddenly got huge amounts of fame and got asked to play all over the country, but he didn't know how to handle it all right away. So a guy named Mike Jeffrey inserted himself into Jimi Hendrix's life and career and said I'll take care of this for you. I have experience with all this. And Mike Jeffery turned out to be a former MI6 intelligence agent that's military intelligence six is the British version of CIA So Mike Jeffrey proceeded to mess with Jimi Hendrix's career, control his career and manipulate him. Jimi Hendrix started doing acid and other drugs, and inadvertently promoted them before getting away from them according to his fiancee Monica Dynamon in her book. And in some major biographies of Jimi Hendrix they said he was getting away from all major drugs. He just dabbled in different drugs then was getting away from but Mike Jeffrey did all kinds of things to control him manipulate him yet mafia kidnapped him and then pretended the bigger mafia to free him

29:06 because Jimi Hendrix was trying to fire Mike Jeffries within a few years, just he couldn't get away from it. He's scared to break the contract. So Jimi Hendrix said that he was doing a benefit concert for the anti-war movement and Mike Jeffrey spiked his drink with a super amount of LSD which really hurt his guitar playing. Mike Jeffrey planted cocaine on him when he was in an airport and got him arrested And so these are some of the things that were happening. Meanwhile, after Martin Luther King's assassination Jimi Hendrix started getting really political and said in interviews you got to support your Black Panthers he dedicated his last

29:44 albums of Black Panthers and he finally fired Mike Jeffries. And within 48 hours of firing Mike Jeffries, Jimi Hendrix was dead and two people said that Mike Jeffries had admitted to them when he was drunk that he had Jimi Hendrix killed. Now 48 hours after firing him...and how do you get someone killed? You have an assassination team at your disposal, only intelligence has that. And so I show all the evidence that Mike Jeffries was continuing to work for military intelligence undercover when he was working as a manager for Jimi Hendrix

30:21 Yeah, that's a great breakdown of the Hendrix story. Obviously he was smeared heavily in the media. Everyone knows the story that he choked on his own vomit and well just another case of a rock star partier drug addicts and no, that's an assassination from someone connected to intelligence it's crazy And because we talked about the Beatles, let's also fold in John Lennon because he was assassinated the same year I think by Mark David Chapman probably under some kind of MKUltra influence. People tend to think the story is a little shaky there but pull us in on some of those details. Yes, so John Lennon was very manipulated by people around him sadly enough

31:08 First he was trying to get away from acid, he stopped taking it for two years. He said in an interview with Jan Wenner of Rolling Stone magazine and he thought he was finally getting his mind back after I feel like he destroyed his mind with acid with LSD And so after two years though This publicist next to him and Yoko Ono, and others convinced him to go back to taking acid again. And when he started taking acid again though it felt like he was getting so anxious before concerts that he was throwing up for hours before going on stage. So acid was really messing him up But nonetheless, he was trying to do good anti-war work. He was allowed to be the guest host of I think it was The Merv Griffin Show. He invited one different Black Panthers like Bobby Seal in there and interviewed him. So he was a really serious activist John Lennon but you went into seclusion for awhile as putting out some albums where he says he's too anxious to do concerts. They went in seclusion for awhile to raise his son and then when he came back with two studio albums that were just coming out

32:11 By that time, of course he was highly monitored by US intelligence and FBI of course were highly monitoring Jimi Hendrix too according to the FBI following on Jimi Hendrix. But John Lennon there was loads of US intelligence documents showing how CIA and the FBI were monitoring John Lennon. And of course they tried to get him deported and he was just within a month or so getting his US citizenship because he had successfully fought the deportation Mark David Chapman was trained, first he was sent into a hospital where... You know, Mark David Chapman had done a number of different drugs as a teenager. Someone, you know whatever he did done a number different drugs. He's sent to a hospital where they were known that used M-culture techniques on different patients there. Mark David Chapman suddenly was sent to different parts of the world

33:04 He was a poor guy who's working as a janitor somewhere and suddenly had money to be able to travel around the world. A veteran journalist named Fenton Bressler from England wrote the book Who Killed John Lennon? and just documented the path of Mark David Chapman being what he would call bloodied in Lebanon, so you were sent to Lebanon to expose him to violence to make it easier for him to enact violence when under hypnosis in a drugged out state And Chapman was then trained in marksmanship by Atlanta police officers and showed loads of evidence that US intelligence always works with local police to help them carry out certain operations. Certain members of police intelligence both work for, you know, police intelligence locally as well as they can also overlap the FBI and they can even overlap with the CIA

33:57 And so here was this Atlanta police officer not only training him in marksmanship, but then giving him the special police hollow point bullets with which he used to kill John Lennon. And so Mark David Chapman ends up at the spot where he successfully shoots at and kills John Lennon. Now, the other major point about this though is that the doorman that the Dakota at John Lennon's apartment house that night was a CIA professional hit man. He had been part of the anti-Cuba squad and his name was Jose Sanjani Perdomo

34:35 And he gets that job as the doorman. It's just several months before the murder of John Lennon, and it's believed—and police originally thought that he was the shooter but after it was probably quashed by U.S. intelligence they just arrested Mark David Chapman and tried him But there was a lot of evidence that there were two shooters and basically, Perdomo was at least the backup shooter if not the murderer of John Lennon. And John Lennon was getting very activist at that time he had already planned to be at the front of Teamsters march

35:12 which was an important Teamsters march at the time on the West Coast. And so he was doing a lot of activist things again, along with being famous again with his two albums coming out at that time, which of course topped the music charts. Yeah that's another excellent breakdown hitting all the points I had on my notes here But this chapter of history does get talked about a fair amount where I think your book is even more unique as you bring it forward, even further still to... A good example would be Kurt Cobain. So you go really deep into Kurt Cobain and the surrounding context that opium production was high for the drug runners and they needed

35:53 an artist that could inadvertently glorify heroin use. Cobain had a stomach issue that caused him a lot of chronic pain, and this is where Courtney Love kind of comes in but give us some details about her because we're citing examples of intelligence agents and assets being introduced into artists' lives and her background sort of fits that mold doesn't it? Yeah, I mean she is just a biz has bizarre background in different biographies her mother's biography and different biographies about her They say she started getting counseling anywhere between two and four years old which as a psychotherapist myself for a living. It's very bizarre I've never seen a two to four year old in regular psychotherapy like she was but nonetheless

36:39 the ages of about three to eight years old are the most vulnerable ages for the brain. And so when you experience trauma between three and eight years old, there's the best chance for splitting the mind, you know? For causing what they call split personality and or dissociative identity disorder used to be called multiple personality disorder or split personality disorder now it's called dissociative identity disorder So she says that she's going to this regular psychotherapy from somewhere between two and four years old onwards throughout her life. And she ended up telling her biological father that her therapists were having sex with her regularly, and she said this at 13 years old. At 13 years old, she identified all these very exotic psychoactive drugs. These psychoactive drugs can be seen in the CIA documents that they use to help with hypnosis

37:32 And so it's obvious that they were doing things to her to cause probably dissociative identity disorder in terms of the regular trauma and using the drugs, which helps with controlling her mind. Basically, her biological dad wasn't married to her mother Her mother was an adopted daughter of a super wealthy family who had investments in uranium mines, who had investments in Bausch & Lomb and major stock in Bausch & Lomb and uranium mines. And who also said that their wealthy adopted father had sexually abused her growing up the mother of Courtney Love so these wealthy parents, the Reeses

38:18 come in and they buy off the lawyer for Hank Harrison, Courtney Love's biological father. They buy off his lawyer he says, he loses his case for custody when Courtney is about five or six years old and he said Courtney Love was scared to death to go back to her mother's home and you didn't know why but he loses custody every... He doesn't see her for years but at 13-years old she sends letters to Hank Harrison to get herself out of a juvenile detention facility And he gets her out of there because Courtney Love's mother apparently given up on her in some way or for some reason. But you know, he gets her out of there and he finds that she has this monstrous addiction and she is also at an early age 13 to 14 years old when she started prostitute herself for her addiction. By 15 she is leaving needles all over his basement floor and his next wife

39:10 Said I can't take her leaving heroin needles all over our basement. She can't stay here she keeps doing this so he had to kick her out if she didn't stop using heroin and She wouldn't stop Meanwhile, she was working at strip clubs for the Japanese mafia. They were actually taking her to other countries and these are in standard biographies of hers that say this and she said she was part of the white slave trade in these Asian countries and she was involved with live sex shows and all kinds of things And it was obviously she was a prostitute at very early age. She even admits in letters to her boyfriend that one of her biographers got ahold of by talking to that boyfriend and getting a copy the letter is where she said, I prostituted myself to get airfare to get back to you. So she's working as a prostitute in early age, he's a full fledged major league addict. By 17 years old, she's visiting her father in Dublin Ireland

40:10 and she brings over a thousand hits of acid with her to Dublin, Ireland. And a guy named Stephen O'Leary befriended Hank Harrison when he was in Dublin and Hank Harrison didn't really know who he was just thought he was a Grateful Dead fan because Hank Harrison it was the first manager for The Grateful Dead for six months and had written a book about them. So here was this guy Stephen O'Leary befriending him and then befriending his daughter and then having sex with his daughter She just turned 17 years old. Then Stephen O'Leary takes Courtney Love over to England and over to the music scenes in England, and she proceeds to distribute the LSD all over there just like Robert Lashbook did as I said 1965. So she's got access to major drugs distributed for free. She is messing with these different bands helping break up the Pogues temporarily

41:06 and messing with other bands that came to hate her. Then she does the same thing with loads of different drugs, pain pills, opiate pain pills and all different kinds of other drugs along with LSD over music scenes throughout the United States in our teen years. She has unlimited amounts of money, unlimited access to all these MQ ultra drugs, and is distributing them over these left-wing music scenes over the United States, Portland, Los Angeles and she ends up marrying the top punk rocker in Los Angeles. And he thought he was marrying this punk feminist, and it turns out she was a right-wing Phyllis Diller. She would say that she slept with army generals in Alaska, and they told her why all these wars were good for us, and we shouldn't question America's perpetual wars.

42:00 He couldn't take it. She would have thugs come and beat him up when he didn't do everything she told him to do, and he just finally got away from her in divorce and got away from her. Then she goes the Seattle music scene and latches on to the top rising punk musician there, Kurt Cobain This is just as Nevermind was like soaring to the top of the charts that she got herself involved with Kurt, started dating him and got pregnant with him really fast. There was a trick in the book but within a couple years he just couldn't take it anymore with her and he was divorcing her and he asked their lawyer Rosemary Carroll to write up divorce documents

42:45 Basically, Courtney Love had hired a private detective to pretend to look for Kurt Cobain. That private detective ended up finding all this evidence and recorded tons of phone calls with Rosemary Carroll when Rosemary Carroll said that Kurt Cobain was divorcing Courteney Love at that time and she thought that Courtney Love had something to do with Kurt Cobain's murder—that it was actually a murder and he wasn't suicidal—and he has got a lot of this on tape The only thing about Tom Grant, that detective who was a former police deputy and murder investigator. Tom Grant couldn't believe any other angle but that Courtney Love was involved in the murder setup for money and he couldn't believe anything beyond that. But when you brought all this evidence to the Seattle Police Department and then to the Los Angeles Police Department they all rejected the evidence and didn't do anything about it. Obviously it should have gone to FBI because

43:40 Guy Melvin Hogue said on film, the film Kurt and Courtney for Nick Broomfield. He said on film that Basically, Courtney Love came from Seattle Los Angeles offered me 50 grand to shoot Kurt Cobain and said she showed where to do it and how they do it at when all that stuff. But when she came back to give him the money actually pulled off he was on tour And so he says she found someone else to do any name the name to some journalists He also started named named one film Alan Hoke but he ends up dying three days after that filming of him saying that

44:16 Meanwhile, he had said Alan Hoke—I'm sorry. Alan's last name is different than Hoke but—Alan Hoke took polygraph tests saying that Courtney Love offered him this money to kill Kurt Cobain and passed with flying colors. He took several polygraph tests And so he was a legitimate witness to all this. Meanwhile, the FBI would send all kinds of letters saying please investigate this and they should have it was within their jurisdiction they pretend like it wasn't but they crossed state lines to do this and so I wrote an article about this for Covert Action Quarterly. So, this is just some of the massive evidence that Courtney Love played a part in the murder but the bigger picture is that Kurt Cobain was a radical leftist who was very anti-war. He even said he meant to put all these kinds of anarchists essays on the cover up Nevermind but thought you'd wait till they become more famous when people might take it more seriously

45:13 And so, you know he was anti-war. He was anti racism and they wanted to manipulate him to promote heroin which they did which it worked that heroin use rose every year through the 90's with Kurt Cobain as people's role models and meanwhile Kurt Cobain was sober when he died his blood toxicology a month before his death when he had that incidental overdose, which was likely Courtney Love trying to kill him right then with her drugs. Her rohypnol which is her roofies and his blood was completely clean of all drugs and anyone who knows anyone who's got a heroin problem you gotta use every day can't just get off it you know all the sudden did not have problems so he was not a heroin addict at that time and said that in his interviews he found the answer to a stomach problem and he was clean sober at the time died

46:04 Right yeah obviously court love had her own motivation but then the intelligence operations motivation was that. He found a drug to stop his stomach pain, which you show in the film. There's an interview where he says no I'm not taking any of that stuff this drug has really helped me and he was also planning to end Nirvana which Dave Grohl has admitted was going to happen and another member of the band admitted it was gonna happen so it was like a synergy of motivations I guess to end the operation when it ended right?

46:39 Yeah, I mean ending Nirvana had got these music execs trying to do an intervention just to try and get him not end Nirvana. But the real control was US intelligence trying to control him and then trying to do away with them because he was threatening to promote sobriety for sure. Man it's just so interesting to see this template hit time and time again. Courtney loves background Sprinkling lsd all over the music scene it's like yes and the key thing that i left out is the fact that steven o'leary on his death bed. Admitted that he was working for us intelligence when he brought courtney love throughout,

47:20 England to spread LSD. He wrote a letter to Hank Harrison and Hank Harrison started publishing his book, he sent me a lot of people actually a copy of this original book about Courtney Love, I think it's called Love and Death or maybe it was different name, Love Kills, I think you call it. Then when that book actually came out in hardcopy form we took that letter out but still have the original copy of the book with that letter And I got copies of that letter in my film, Drugs and Weapons Against Us. And so Stephen O'Leary was regularly visiting the US Embassy giving reports back

47:58 Yeah, so we don't even really have to speculate that much because in a lot of these cases someone does end up saying hey you know I was an intelligence asset sorry about all that mess and this is a pretty perfect pace for what i had planned because Tupac is where you've probably done the deepest amount of research. And with the last 10 minutes of the first hour I want to at least hit the major points of his story, but this interview really came to be because I heard the story about a new search warrant issued for Tupac's murder. And I thought actually going into all that would probably make a good episode and man did I learn just so much from your work? Can you give us a bit of an overview of Tupac's parents the Black Panthers and this similar operation to disrupt organized political activism with drugs and intelligence infiltration

48:49 Yeah, so Tupac's mother Fahey Shakur was a one-time leader of the Harlem Black Panthers. Amazing woman who is credited for getting the Black Panther 21 off in court Basically, it showed the evidence that US intelligence used undercover agents to get her addicted to crack as she continued to do activism against the FBI's counterintelligence program and against other US intelligence programs. That really sidelined her life for a while while Tupac was growing up impoverished because FBI was also visiting Afeyin Shakur's employers and not letting her get jobs or getting

49:29 and then she developed that crack problem. Tupac's stepfather, Mthulhu Shukor had pioneered the use of acupuncture for acupuncture detox for drug addictions in Lincoln Detox in the Bronx and was spreading it around the country so he had some amazing parents and at 17 years old he ends up being elected head of The New African Panthers which was trying to replicate the Black Panthers and was active in 8-10 cities around the country So Tupac was already a national black leader before he became a rapper. Then he tours with Digital Underground, and then he comes out with his first solo album and it's a very political album and this song Trapped got MTV worldwide release

50:15 And within several days of that, Oakland police pretend to stop him for jaywalking. They choke him unconscious and pound his head against the curb and I assure you, I haven't said argue that other people had died in police custody through those actions and this was the first attempt on Tupac's life. Then other police connected attempts on Tupac's life included at the Marin City Fest when Tupac invited for a 50th anniversary of the Marin City Fest Tupac's an honorary guest and strangers attack Tupac for no reason. Police watch passively and don't do anything about it, these same strangers have a gun and shoot at Tupac and he runs and police only arrest anyone after Tupac crawls under a police car and these strangers were trying to beat him to death and gotten a crowd to mess with the police car

51:08 And so, I showed the evidence how that was another attempt on Tupac's life. And so Tupac his agenda was he was only pretending to be a gangster and would appeal to gangs and politicize them to spread gang peace truths and turn them more into activism And that was a major threat to the US intelligence drug traffickers because their low-level dealers were these gangs. And so when you took all these gang members off the street and stopped them from drug dealing, and you get this gang peace truce movement turned on activism spreading around the country and getting all these gangs stopping dealing drugs such as it spread to the New York Latin Kings, the largest gang in New York

51:50 I was 3,000 strong and had vowed to stop dealing drugs as documented by some New York professors. You see that's affecting the CIA drug traffickers' money along with the money launderers' money. The banks are laundering tons of money, according to the United Nations report on Money Laundering Through Banks and stock market portfolios and it gets into the tune of billions of dollars being threatened by Tupac and his Black Panther extended families activism around this issue This is some of what he was doing behind the scenes for why there would be these attempts on his life. And so then you get to Atlanta where he's doing a concert and some reportedly off-duty cops were beating on someone, Tupac said what's going on they went over at his car according to both white and black eyewitnesses

52:42 took a gun that they had stolen from the police evidence locker, smashed the car window Tupac was in and shot at him. And Tupac nearly rolled out the back grabbed security guard's gun and shot back in self-defense in Atlanta. So Tupac, the trial never went forward completely because it was a botched assassination attempt, at least number three or so. This is the way things were going for Tupac. Finally they set him up on this sexual abuse charge where this woman in court, I have the court documents saying she kissed his penis on a dance floor and had consensual sex with him that night. And then he gets convicted only of touching her butt against her will after what the jury found was consensual sex which is absolutely bizarre and gets one-and-a-half to four-and-a-half years in maximum security prison for that you know which again it's absolutely bizarre. So they did that to mess his mind up in prison

53:39 Meanwhile, just before that verdict came out there was another attempt on his life where they shot him once to get him down the ground or his face down the ground and then shot twice in the skull which is an execution tactic of US intelligence. And these two bullets miraculously barely missed his brain according to the doctor's affidavit on the bullets going through one side back of the skull went out the front of the skull but barely missing his brain And so again, another assassination attempt. Police were monitoring him at that time the same police that showed up in sexual assault charge were showed up immediately at that charge on the opposite side of New York City and then he's in prison. Death Row gets him out of prison. Death row is filled with dozens and dozens of police officers at all levels of their company, Death Row Records. An honest cop detective Russell Poole says you know yes to superiors what are they doing in this company?

54:30 And his superior said, you can call them troubleshooters or covert agents. And so they thought that he would keep a closed mouth on this and that he'd be part of it all being white and thinking he would join this racist agenda but he didn't. He blew the whistle on that and came out with it now. You didn't know why I was all going one day until in the full spectrum of it all. You know how activist Tupac really wasn't all that but He came out with it. He was forced to leave his investigation of the Biggie Smalls murder, he was the official investigator on the Biggie Smalls murder. The Biggie Smalls was collateral damage made to look like East Coast versus West Coast rap war

55:09 which is a diversion for what was really happening, which was Death Row Records trafficking drugs and guns trying to end the Bloods vs. Crips peace truce and then setting up Tupac for assassination. Once they were successful in that, Death Row basically has done what it needed to do and Suge Knight went to jail. Suge Knight was low-level intelligence, Dave Kenner was much higher in the Totem Pole being the white real owner of Death Row Records and Reggie Wright was higher in the Totem Pole being the head of security at police officer who's had a security of these dozens of police officers in death row and Reggie Wright's father, Reggie Wright Sr., was head of the gang division in Compton where the first peace truce between The Bloods and Crips happened. And so this is the way it all played out and worked out here's all that evidence now

55:56 police come in and say they're searching this guy Keith Keepey D. Davis' home, that stems from a police officer who came in five to ten years after Russell Poole's investigation. And Russell Poole said Greg Kading was a disgraced cop who was found openly lying in court, he was kicked off the force when he was caught lying in court but then he is brought out of retirement to be a disinformation agent basically to make up this whole story about how the Crips killed Tupac and based on the original setup of Tupac's murder, which was getting a nephew of this Crip member, this guy named Orlando Anderson who got a lot of money. According to Nick Broomfield he received a lot of money to take a beating for a set up of a scuffle in the MGM Hotel after the Mike Tyson fight so people convinced Tupac to be part of this little scuffle with this guy Orlando Anderson and after that Anderson didn't do anything but an hour or two later

56:59 There's a drive-by shooting that kills Tupac in Las Vegas. Now, Keefy D says that it was him and his nephew Orlando Anderson that carried out the murder but Grey Keating also says that Biggie Smalls brought $1 million from Puffy P. Diddy to Las Vegas, somehow gave it to Keefie D to give to Orlando Anderson to kill Tupac." Now that's just ridiculous nobody saw 350-pound top selling rapper Biggie Smalls in Las Vegas that night and there are tapes of Biggie Smalls recording in New Jersey at the night of Mike Tyson fight where Tupac was assassinated you know? And so its just an absurd story

57:42 that Greg Kading came out with in a book and film. And Detective Kading, you know all these TV series try to present Detective Greg Kading as something legitimate which he wasn't at all he's a disinformation agent. His story is absurd his books are absurd Russell Poole said that Greg Kading never asked him anything before Russell Poole was murdered in the police department trying to give new evidence when who really shot Tupac This is the way it all really went down and now they're reviving it because nobody's really buying, at least a smaller and smaller percentage of people are buying Grey Katings ridiculous story. And basically, you know, Keefy D was offered full leniency from facing decades in prison on a drug charge in order just to say whatever he would say and he said what they told him to say which is that yes I carried out Tupac's murder with my now dead nephew

58:37 because there's the cover-up of killing Orlando Anderson two years after Tupac is killing too. And so he gets let off decades in prison just to say what they want him to say, and they got that on tape and they said that was great evidence who really killed Tupac. So they're just trying to revive that bogus story. Right. Yes a lot of details in this one and that's a pretty good summary I wanted to emphasize a few parts of the story for people Matulu Shakur, who you mentioned had established this acupuncture protocol for addiction. This is something we've seen time and time again people with alternative health cures are often let's say neutralized in one way or another but he was

59:24 basically made a patsy for this robbery of Brinks trucks. You go into the details of that, he basically was put in jail on a false charge let's just say for many many years and it was when he was in jail that him and Tupac concocted the gangster rap persona to gain influence and then as you noted convert the gang culture to Black Panther activism, uplifting their community and these sorts of things. And when Metulu was in jail this is when Tupac's mother had a really difficult time raising two kids and they inserted Kenneth Legs Saunders into her life who got her hooked on crack and

1:00:10 Legs worked for Nicky Barnes, who police claimed was Harlem's biggest drug dealer. Nicknamed Mr Untouchable he was a successor to Frank Matthews one of the first New York drug kingpins who is black nine people supplying drugs to Matthews had their drug importation charges dropped due to their CIA involvement so this is another example of inserting an asset into the life of an activist and Basically, they broke up the family which was really the start of what caused this problem for the Shakur family. And I've heard some Tupac music back in the day from friends who were really into him and it was incredibly violent and i didn't really see this whole side of Tupac being an elevator or anything like that but you note in the book and film that

1:01:03 A lot of that music came out when he had signed with Death Row Records. They crafted that image and amplified the negativity in all that, and he signed with Death Row when he was in prison so they do all this psychological torture to him when he's in prison before they let him out they make them sign with Death Row Records which is a new set of handlers for the whole thing It really is just a wild story Those are some added details I found interesting And as you said, he wanted to broker peace deals between the gangs and he had a gang code of conduct. He was promoting like this 10 commandments for gang life which was kind of the start of twisting the violence away from their everyday life and instead going into an activist and uplifting kind of direction

1:01:58 That's no small thing. In the film, you play a great clip from Catherine Austin Fitz who talks about these inner city street gangs and just how much money they were funneling up. She said street dealers could make about 100 grand a year for each person for a supplier who then laundered through a network of establishments that dealt in cash like banks and restaurants And they were using illiterate teenagers to generate two to three million in stock value for major corporations. Getting these gangs out of drug dealing, as you say would cost billions. This is how to make that connection between low level street drug dealing and billions of dollars for the establishment. And you also note that George Bush Senior

1:02:43 sort of got involved here and organized resources to stop the gang truce movement. And, of course, Tupac was a big part of that and So I also didn't realize that Tupac's father actually got out of prison in 2022 and then died July 6th, 2023 this year. And the new search warrant in Tupac's death was issued July 18th just a few days later after Matulu Shakur's death. That's oddly coincidental. Are there other aspects to this story? In that regard, in this new phase that should be talked about

1:03:23 Yeah, it's just very sad. They would only let Matulu out of jail when he was dying of cancer and not well off, really invalid status. It was very sad. Getting out of cancer perked him up a bit and he lived longer than they expected But he was pushing the idea also that US intelligence, of course assassinated his son Tupac. And I've talked to this biological son Mopriem Shakur, Tupac's stepbrother who is very close with and you know he thinks that it was clearly a US intelligence operation that orchestrated the murder of his brother Tupac

1:04:03 It's just very sad that he only got to see his biological father for a certain amount of months before he passed. And, of course, Matulu was always countering the bogus story of Detective Kading and others and so it is interesting that yeah after he wasn't there to counter that story then they're pushing that story again harder than Detective Kading and US intelligence concocted about that this was all just a crip gang murder tied into with money being given from P Diddy and Biggie. It's, you know it's just an absurd story." Yeah it all comes full circle! It's some kind of cleanup operation I guess to support the shaky narrative that they had already laid out

1:04:50 Right, but great details you gave. Thanks for the great details you added to all that I said, Greg. Sure! Sure! I do what I can to be co-pilot on these things and Just to touch on your film Shots, which is really great. You go over the history of eugenics and then you talk about the usage of war as a eugenics campaign to wipe out the poors. Go send all the poor who can't afford to get their life together without the money for signing up for the military. Get them on the front lines, wipe out a whole bunch of them and

1:05:29 obviously that serves a need for the elite. And you also note that not only do they send soldiers to war, they test vaccines on them so if you ever were curious if vaccines from the very start were an altruistic technology it doesn't seem like they were because they've always been tested on people who didn't have much choice and funded by card-carrying eugenicists. I just wanted to not only touch a little bit more on the documentary, to let people know about it before we go but i was also curious what you think about the

1:06:08 the Mexican cartels and fentanyl, which is a huge problem right now. But some frame it as China weaponizing the cartels against America and some even go further to say that its revenge for the opium wars. I don't know if its necessarily revenge but certainly a very similar template wouldn't you say? I think that the opium wars against the population is so old and so constructed by the American oligarchs, and continued by the American oligarchs that I wouldn't go to a foreign country and say they're the ones doing it. America has controlled its borders and allowed in drug traffickers that their own people are drug trafficking in this year has been called drug trafficking

1:06:53 And that was when 60 Minutes, when 60 Minutes allowed more information on their... As I say the JP Morgan ships were caught in Philadelphia with a ton of cocaine. They control what's coming in and out and they control what's coming into communities. And I'm sure that it's part of the eugenics when they're putting fentanyl and so many different drugs A client of mine said his cousin was smoking weed and someone had put fentanyl in it, and he was all of a sudden frothing at the mouth and died. And so they're even putting in weed. So it's just absurd what's going on with that. It's the same way with spice. It's the same way with a number different drugs. When you look back and you research all these different drugs, you find that they were started as part of the drugs tested by MKUltra

1:07:38 MKUltra continues today, the best evidence says they're just using different names. Whistleblowers around FBI have said they continued the counterintelligence program called COINTELPRO and they just used different names for it and it's obvious that same thing has been done with MKUltra so I really think that still the oligarchs in US intelligence are probably most probably behind fentanyl Right. It's really hard to unpack because there are many layers and there's a lot of deception and games within games, but I do think you're right. The framing of this fentanyl thing as an attack from China well they couldn't do it if you controlled the border if you didn't have a very porous border they really wouldn't be able to have these success that they're having so that's an element that the US controls and

1:08:34 They say that fentanyl is only made in Chinese labs, but who are the major pharmaceutical companies that own the labs? the same old eugenicists, big pharma corporations as far as I know. So that's another element that should make people think but didn't we just experience COVID which came from the Wuhan lab which Trump called the China virus? But who ran event 201? Who are the people who've really gamed out a coronavirus pandemic it's Fauci its Gates It's these guys. So yeah, I think these are points that anyone should consider before they really come to any strong conclusion. Yeah Fauci was indirectly funding the Wuhan lab. I show it in my film how they were funding the research, the function research at the Wuhan lab and it was very dangerous research you know to make pathogens more lethal against humans

1:09:30 Yeah, and the quote from Luke Montagnier is probably one of the most damning in the film. But I recommend everybody see it even if it's a lot of review for people two and a half hours you're gonna learn a few things you didn't know before even if you're familiar with Pierre Corey and Peter McCullough and all that stuff there's still a lot in there with joke music and jokes songs and jokes throughout yeah think it's more fun watch than a regular documentary amen Wow. Well, this has been really great! I would recommend your work to anyone we barely scratched the surface of how deep your research goes give people the links they might want and let us know about what you're working on next you mentioned another documentary

1:10:11 Yeah, thanks. Well I'm gonna keep quiet about the new documentary until it's out I'm sorry to say just because and love to talk to you again about that documentary when it comes out Greg That'd be great if you don't mind but you can go to John pod ash john p ot Ash calm For just all these different works of mine It's also called drugs as weapons comm so it's got two different names for one website and watch the trailers to see if you might want to watch the full film or check out some excerpts about the books.

1:10:48 It was great talking with you about it all, Greg. I hope we get the word out on all these different important issues to help people come from a more empowered, more educated place for how to approach these issues. Heck yeah! I think your work is a real service to humanity and it was an honor to present some of this to the audience so keep it up and keep fighting the good fight and take care. Thanks a lot Greg. Good talking with you. Take care now. You as well. Good luck with everything Lordy Man, did I love this one? John has done incredible research and he knows it well In fact if I had read this before I did the top 10 conspiracy books With Gordon on Rune Soup. I think I would have put this in there I was pretty uninformed on the massive amounts of drug money in the opium funded Ivy League as well as several other threads that I learned about from his books and films

1:11:49 Jon really should be more well-known in this conspiracy subculture, but if you heard the plus show maybe it's better not to be right? I tweeted a few weeks ago that I had just gotten off an interview that left me depressed and This was it for the people who have asked with every new show to come out since then But the control just seems so absolute. I came away feeling a bit defeated in the macro scope and on a personal level, of course i'm incredibly fortunate to have this as a career no morning alarms no shitty bosses great pay but I worry about the screws tightening on people like me I worry about the longevity of it and the security of my young family

1:12:40 So often, people lose their lives to this sort of cause and the audiences tend to just move on to the next researcher or simple stoner podcast host. Though I guess what really can they do? But when I see these sort of nitpicky shitty criticisms that me and some of my really great colleagues get it's extra frustrating because this sort of material comes with enough stress and risk as it is I'm not trying to pull a poor me victim card, i'm just saying for those who heard the full two hours. I think you can understand why I would come off of this one in a pretty down mood for the next day or so we make our choices in life and we do the best we can but when you break down some of these deaths of important cultural figures and musical artists and researchers like Dave McGowan

1:13:36 And you look around at the current state of culture, music and the artists that get propped up on the pedestal. It's kind of over right? They beat us and so many people didn't even know there was a fight going on now every artist and celebrity is just paraded through vote montages telling everyone to get the jab or you're not allowed to see them perform And there's almost nobody with any serious fanbase that is actively anti-war. The whole world just feels captured, and while it's good to be informed and I consider this an amazing interview with someone who has done top tier work... It can also make a person feel a bit sad. Ignorance is bliss as they say!

1:14:27 But honestly, I am so happy with this as an interview. I advise anyone to read his books or watch the films that are based on the books. So many more pieces to The Big Puzzle than we could fit in today! Much respect to John and I hope he gets a lot of good feedback because he deserves to be celebrated. And a big thanks to Ron Patton for making me aware I remember in the early days, i was working a farmer's market with Ron where we were trying to sell conspiracies and conspiracy books. That was his half of the booth And John's book Drugs as A Weapon Against Us was always featured prominently It was clear, Ron held it in high regard and it was phonebook thick So it always stuck out in my mind and just took me so long to get to it

1:15:24 And I don't know if I would have been as receptive or open-minded in my younger years as I am now when it comes to, as the title says, the multiple multifaceted ways drugs have been used against us regardless of anyone's personal positive experiences. Both can exist! But I also wanted to mention just a couple other musicians stories that i had in my outline because if I don't then it will just sit in a drawer somewhere until I auction it off eventually. But Janice Joplin, she's another one her fiancé told a previous girlfriend that he worked for the FBI He got Janice hooked on amphetamines and then they had to call off the wedding when Janice learned that he was already married

1:16:15 She then went further and got addicted to heroin, and then she died of an unusually pure dose. So again seems like maybe funny business definitely funny business with the fiance there but then as I was trying to do more research on musical artist deaths in the last few years that wouldn't be in John's book...I saw this about Takeoff so I don't know much about Takeoff or his death. And I mean, I know the group he was in Migos was pretty damn popular but i found this just an odd coincidence but his real last name was Ball B-A-L-L phonetically that sounds like something else i'm aware But he was also shot outside of a private party In a bowling alley and then I read an article that stated in a statement Takeoff's record label said that he was killed by a stray bullet

1:17:14 and Houston Police Chief Troy Finner said that he did not believe takeoff to be the intended target. But later, it says on November 1st 2022 following a private party at 810 Billiards & Bowling in the Green Street Commercial Development part of Houston Texas ball was shot multiple times in the head and torso which sounds like a little bit more than a stray bullet Again, I don't really know anything about Takeoff or Migos or anything he might have said that was a political or activist type of statement. But some of these industry kills could be over business over learning too much or not falling in line for rituals are any number of things but i thought those sketchy details were worth adding to the stack and those eerie esoteric coincidences

1:18:16 are things I always like to point out too. But that's the show! You guys know the deal, become a Plus member for the full two-hour version of all the ongoing THC episodes click the link right at the top your show notes or go through the Patreon page if you want to hear THC Plus on Spotify In this plus show we talked about Dave McGowan and these circumstances around his death We talked about MDMA and the Wu Tang Clan the current state of music and musical artists, therapy as intelligence gathering, the human ecology fund compared to the modern day MAPS organization MKUltra 2.0, The Killing Of Anti-War Artists Nipsey Hussle and several other things I give you the first hour for free just to prove i can make a show that you like and is worth your time and money And then you do what you do

1:19:16 And let's see what THC fans have put on the meetup calendar at higher side, meetups.com before we go. We got September 29th Oakland California, September 30th Auckland New Zealand, September 30th Columbia Missouri mild stomping grounds in conjunction with the no agenda crew October 1st a PlayStation virtual meetup that's an easy one I might even join that And then we'll throw in October 14th, because we got three Edgewater Colorado. Rappingers Falls New York and Huntington Indiana if you hear about an event near you definitely go You're going to love it! You're gonna meet new friends of a like mind over your mutual love of a weird podcast that is usually a solo experience and you will have people in your network for the next crisis

1:20:15 And if you didn't hear about an event near you, just hop on the calendar and make one. It's free and it's easy. Hiresidemeetups.com I keep the site active just so people can use it to feel more joy and more security but there it is people meeting people Big thanks again to John. Let him know it really was a serious pleasure I'm very fortunate to have such high-level researchers that want to do interviews with me, but don't let it get you down Find happiness when you can where you can because I think it's only going to be a little bit harder going forward But I'm getting out of here. I've done my part and

1:21:01 Your move, musical artist assassins opium trafficking elite and CIA culture controllers. Your fucking move. Well they tie that yellow ribbon round the oak tree They've worn all their prayer in there long thought they were rooting for the home team As they're sent to the game and torn apart We twist this tourniquet upon the pipeline That he carries all the pain and wounds As we blindly clap and cheer from the sidelines It's clear on a losing streak from the restart And that's where they found their last cemetery A smoking gun in my damn THC The Arrogant Scream They took that faded ribbon off the oak tree

1:22:27 I'm born out of open arms. Long thought i was doomed, lying in a pool of my blood And that's where they found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my land Of the freezing with me And that's where they found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand Now im down from the land

1:23:18 THC, they're a can scream. And that's where they found the sabotage A smoking gun from an enemy that can't scream