John Hamer | The History of Bankster Control & Their Orchestrated Events

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have a f*** this clearly may be something heavy And until you've thoroughly tested every last course just to think you know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss! Edward without THC Cause we know they're lying to us Just don't f*** without THC The higher side chat show Alright people, we've heard guests attribute the highest rung on the conspiracy ladder to many different possible groups. Freemasons Jews Jesuits Archons Anunnaki and even interdimensional spider beings No doubt there are powerful people that weave all throughout several of the identified control groups forming the most nefarious dreamcatcher you've ever seen but if you really want to identify what gives them strength it seems that the true mortar that built the power pyramid is banking

01:09 Here to make the ironclad case is returning guest John Hamer. You might remember him as the author of RMS Olympic and Titanic's Last Secret, which we talked about last time as we discussed the pretty well substantiated claim that the Titanic was sunk on purpose once it was loaded up with the prominent opponents of the Federal Reserve Really just another footnote in the big banker plot to rule over everything, but we also discussed the details of the elite's wealth extraction circle jerk they call charities which John spent some time on in his 700 page conspiracy textbook The Falsification Of History Our Distorted Reality.

01:45 Well, John is joining us hot on the heels of another big undertaking. He just released Behind The Curtain A Chilling Exposé Of The Banking Industry Volumes 1 & 2 together over a thousand pages of good reason after good reason to consider the banksters to be the supreme societal string pullers and architects of nearly everything! He's not messing around it's a real pleasure having him back. John my man how are you? I'm great. Thanks Greg, thanks very much for asking me back. I really appreciate that and thanks very much for that fantastic introduction to oh For sure man had a great time last time and i'm sure this will be no exception Great to have you back anyone who puts out such expansive and detailed work is always welcome so thank you

02:26 Yeah, man. Of course we can't get to the level of detail that you do in a thousand pages but it would be great to walk through the history here and point out not only some of the biggest manipulations but also some of their lesser known ones as well and To start us off there's actually an enlightening little story behind the title of the book tell us why he settled on Behind The Curtain Yes, as you say it's quite an interesting little story. I'll try and be brief but it started back in the 60s in 1968 to be precise in Minneapolis a guy by the name of Jerome Daly who was

03:03 He got into trouble with his mortgage repayments, which at the time was about $14000 dollars. Which to us now that kind of figure is laughable but in those days it was a considerable sum and the bank of course took him to court to try and reclaim the house from him as it's going on today absolutely wholesale widespread right across the world. The banks are foreclosing people's mortgages and taking their homes away from them But Daly didn't take it lying down, he decided to fight it. So he actually went to court and defended himself because he'd done a little bit of homework He knew what the scam was! He knew what the banks were up to behind-the-scenes

03:43 And eventually, during the course it was going against Daley for a little while. The judge wasn't particularly enamored with his defense and the jurors were falling asleep but then all of a sudden the bank's president came to stand and completely out of blue admitted that it was standard practice for all banks to create money out of thin air right Right, so in other words what he'd admitted to was the fact that the $14000 that they lent daily to buy his house had been created by bookkeeping entry and it wasn't like a pile of cash that they had in reserve but actually allocated to him and passed over to him. It was just a few strokes of pen in a book in those days these days its digits on a computer screen right? That was the point as soon as he made that admission suddenly the tide turned

04:34 and daily what is case. Really, that should have been the catalyst for the collapse of the whole banking system because entire worldwide central banking system is based on that premise. All loans and mortgages are created out of thin air and worse than that they're all actually added instead to the debit side of the bank's double entry bookkeeping, they add it to the credit side so if you today were walking into a bank and get a $50,000 loan for a car or whatever, they lend you the money but they don't deduct it from their accounts. They add that 50 thousand on and this is standard banking practice worldwide so anyway to get back to the point, it should have been far-reaching decision and crash the entire financial system but they don't allow that at all now. They filled in all the loopholes and in fact shortly afterwards somebody else tried the same ploy

05:30 And the judge said, and I quote, if I let you do that you and everyone else it will bring the whole banking system down. We are not going behind that curtain! And that's where the name of the book comes from because in fact we do go behind that curtain Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like that little informational anecdote You're right It should have brought everything down and it seems like it got close and it got close a couple of times apparently over history I've learned but yeah as far as this rich history is concerned how far back can you take us? obviously the further we go back the less detail we get but I've had guests attribute the early stages of money to Bankster priesthoods of Babylon who learned about these tools through their ritual use of magic And yeah That's uh

06:14 maybe hyperbolic and it's definitely vague, but talk to us about the starting place for you. Yeah well I didn't really go back quite that far. And i do sort of mention about in biblical times Jesus going into the temple and and overturning the tables of the money changers. And that was, again you don't really find a true story of that but what actually happened was it wasn't just annoyed about people changing foreign exchange, changing money although they were making exorbitant profits it wasn't so much that. It was at them... The Jews when they went to the temple to pay their yearly temple tax They had to pay with a solid gold coin called half shekel

06:55 And the money changers actually cornered the marketing net. So they were actually making, you know charging even more than exorbitant charges for the Jews to get their hands on these half shekel gold coins And so it was that that allegedly angered Jesus, and that's why he threw them out of the temple. I mean all that is very apocryphal in it, I suppose it depends on whether you believe what it says in the Bible but as far as I was concerned that was an interesting starting point And from there you go right through the Dark Ages, obviously nothing much known about the Dark Ages. That's why they're called the Dark Ages but getting into medieval times really it was the Knights Templar that were the first proper what you would call bankers

07:42 I think a lot of people don't understand what the Knights Templar are all about. It's not for them to go into that specifically, but they made a heck of a lot money out of usury which is another way of saying charging interest on monies loaned and from there, the Knights Templars were obviously disbanded and murdered and all the rest of it But then along came the goldsmiths. And what goldsmiths would do, realized that... Well let me just step back a stage. Sure. Yeah money was originally gold and silver something of intrinsic value not like this paper stuff we have today that is just it's barely worth the paper its printed on you know? Barely worth the value of the paper its printed on

08:31 But gold and silver coinage was the first attempt at a proper, shall we say medium of monetary exchange. And goldsmiths realized that eventually it was a lot simpler rather than having people cart huge loads of gold about because it's heavy cumbersome difficult to move about there is danger being stolen they could be attacked in the street and robbed They decided to issue receipts for the gold and they somehow became exchanged rather than the gold itself. So that's where bills came from, dollar bills, pound notes as we have over here, five-pound notes so they are just in effect began as a receipt in exchange for gold and silver that the Goldsmith kept in their vault

09:19 But then something that really changed the world happened and the goldsmiths realized that not all the gold was ever redeemed at the same time. So they realized on average it was about 10% of it, there was ever actually transacted physically rather than through the receipts that they issued and so they decided that they could comfortably lend 900 percent more gold Can they had actually in their possession so that all we did was simply issue more receipts and the world's gold and then made themselves extremely wealthy overnight and it just come from there really from there we went on to the central banking system which began in amsterdam in holland

10:02 in the early 17th century and then it went to England at the end of the 17th century. And from there, central banks have just taken over the whole world and in a very small nutshell really that's how the money system has developed Right, and that is a great summary. And you talk about before the time of kind of the fractional reserve fraud that they do for about 700 years we were using tally sticks and I'm not really surprised that we don't use notches in wood anymore but they were pretty ingenious in their inability to be forged right? Absolutely those people don't want to tell you stick is it as you say it was just a like a stick piece of wood but wasn't wasn't a one that had been manufactured and planned and all the rest of it it was just a piece of tree basically what did it was not in the war in the peace award this day.

10:55 and then they split it, all those notches represent different values so you might have one for a because it was England pounds you might have one for £100, one for £1, one for so many pennies blah blah blah And then they split the stick lengthways down the middle so that all the veins in the center of the wood and marks are matched up. So you couldn't actually forge it, it was impossible! People used to walk around with bundles of these sticks to go shopping with or make transactions with and the other half was kept in a secure vault

11:32 and the ones that were freely distributed we use as you say, as a currency. Yeah it was very ingenious but very shall we say inconvenient in many ways I guess? Yeah definitely cumbersome and slightly inconvenient but the woodgrain pattern is unique as a fingerprint so having that getting away from that system is what allowed the bankers to take way more loans than they had and do this kind of fractional reserve issuing Another piece of history that I liked is you do mention the death of Caesar in 44 BC. I think most people know his assassination was a result of a conspiracy cooked up by several Roman senators, but i don't think everyone knows why? Banking was at the heart of this too right?

12:17 Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's very similar to today in a sense because you know politicians are not independent people they are there at the behest of lobbyists of various kinds and it was much the same in Caesar's day he was beholden to the money men even at that time and it was their What he did was, he actually bypassed them. Again it's the same old story and this is a theme that you'll find running right through the book anybody who goes against these people anybody who actually tries to bypass them or indeed annoys them in anyway are disposed of and this was no exception for Caesar what he did was he decided to create

12:57 for Rome to create its own currency rather than it be issued by the money people. And of course they didn't like that, so they actually instigated his assassination by Brutus and all the other senators that got involved and as soon as that happened obviously Rome was then beholden to them and it plunged into abject poverty whereas it had been a very rich place in the time of Caesar because he was using using the taxes and everything to build a public infrastructure, and people were wealthy and prosperous. But as soon as the money gets concentrated in the hands of the bankers again...

13:35 That's when poverty befalls a nation and that this is the situation that we have today exactly. Right, it is so eerie how we're talking about something happened to Caesar in 44 BC and then just a couple years ago when the US went into Libya took out Gaddafi It now come out through I believe the Clinton email scandal but its come out that Gaddafi was working on a currency, a gold-backed currency to get out of the central banking system. And that is why we went in so you know two thousand years it's the same game. It's the same game and it has been all along yeah and there's been various different periods where the bankers have been on top and then the public, the general public, the people if you like have wrested control back but I think unfortunately now seem to have reached at point

14:28 the bankers have won basically and you know they've got the whole world in their thrall now mostly. I think there are three countries in the entire world that are not part of the central banking system now, and there's no prizes really for guessing who those three countries are because they're the three that are most vilified by America and the rest of Western civilization so basically that is Iran North Korea and Cuba And guess which of the three countries in the world will come under most fire and pressure from the Western media? Those three. Exactly, exactly! Oh man... So to stay back in the distant past for a minute tell us about The Edict Of Expulsion, The 350 Year Ban and Oliver Cromwell seems like an important little saga if you're talking about banking history right? Yeah absolutely I mean this is

15:22 You're absolutely right to point that out, Greg. Because this is what led to the formation of the Bank of England which is for American listeners that's the English equivalent of the Federal Reserve – The Bank of England and the central banking power What happened was in, I think it was 1290. The year 1290 AD King Edward the first, I believe it was issued an expulsion order for the Jews and this wasn't the first time that had happened. I mean Jews were expelled from hundreds many different societies over the years but this was the English version And in fact they weren't allowed back in until the 17th century

16:03 in Oliver Cromwell's time. Now, Oliver Cromwell again for those who don't particularly know English history, Oliver Cromwell was the guy behind the murder of King Charles I which almost turned England into a republic well it did for about 10 years or so until the monarchy was restored but what happened with Cromwell was... Again this is not in mainstream history you won't find this in mainstream history but it is documented and I have seen the documents that relate to this and what happened was, the Jewish bankers who had formed the Bank of Amsterdam which was a first central banking... Central bank in the world in sort of I think it's about 1620 from memory contacted Cromwell and offered financial help in deposing King Charles the First as long as soon as Charles got rid off

16:56 they would allow the Jews back into England again because they had plans for England and that plan was to set up a central banking system. So Cromwell did as he was bid, and in my book you'll see copies of portions of the letters that were sent back and two between the Jews in Amsterdam and Cromwell which have come from a very reliable source so it's not just made-up And to cut a long story short, Charles was murdered. Charles was executed and Cromwell became Lord Protector of England but he died in about 1658 and the moniker is restored

17:34 But in the meantime, the Jews have been infiltrating back into England again. And I don't want to pull any punches here it is 90% Jews that are behind central banking and usury so they took a little bit of time and they had to get rid of another king, King James II, they had to get rid him he was sent off to exile in the 1680s but in 1688 a Dutch usurper of the throne, King William III came over for Amsterdam. He took over the English throne and he sanctioned the formation of the Bank of England and ever since then the national debt has just spiraled because that's the way that central banking works but you were right it was from that early beginning about getting the Jews back into England that really created the right political climate for that to happen

18:30 Yeah, and it is controversial material for the conspiracy world. They've been dealing with this for a long time but it does beg the question of if it's really fair because I totally understand the government coming to terms with banking control schemes and wanting to end it but I think they might have misidentified a conspiracy of race or religion with a conspiracy of class because Even if all bankers are Jewish, not all Jews were bankers. I mean obviously right? No no of course not! It is a certain class of Jews obviously and and i'm not just Jews but i am keen to make the point that it is primarily Jews you know there's no way dressing out there's nowhere getting away from me and there's nobody pulling any punches on it because it's a fact you know i'm not anti-semitic

19:18 in any way shape or form but i am anti people who do things like they did and the fact that there were mainly jews is neither here nor there it's just a fact. Yeah fair point and you do put the Rothschild family at the top of the pyramid obviously that's a popular place for them in conspiracy content but how can we be sure they've maintained their wealth and control to this day I know skeptics of this idea always talk about rises and falls of empires and pockets of wealth it's that it's not as simple or fluid as some of us want to make a team but dispel that for us how did the rothschild stay on top for so long with yet without ever getting the power stripped away during something like a revolution or amass expulsion of jews it well it was simply because in my view it was simply because they they didn't very surreptitiously than you know we would they came to prominence in the lights eighteen eighteenth century and then

20:14 1770s, 1780s and they very quickly became acquired an enormous amount of wealth and obviously we know everyone knows that well this power, i'm very clever people who want stupid people they knew the right people to bribe you know the invader themselves into royal circles and then be very quickly. It wasn't a quick process it was over decades but the very very quickly relatively speaking took over basically the whole western world financial system

20:50 and spread the tentacles throughout europe and eventually into the us as well where there remains a protagonist of the rockefeller family, what's up with several others but the rockafellas are perhaps most prominent just drives me nuts because there is very few times over history where it seems like leadership has realized what was happening with the banking schemes and worked to overcome it. And it's just frustrating that these bankers were never charged or jailed when their charters weren't renewed, but it doesn't seem like their wealth was ever stripped from them and it's just unfortunate. Okay well put in this way Greg if you

21:30 What approach by someone said i believe that and see my john hammer is coming on your show soon it's a million bucks to not show it nothing to not have the program what would you do. That is a conundrum yeah exactly i wouldn't blame me if he said yeah actually where to go john hammer I'll have you on six months later. How about that? Yeah, the point is that money talks and they very quickly established an absolute stranglehold not just over royalty but over governments, over the whole infrastructure of society, if you like. And that's how they did it and obviously that was a very simplistic version of events but that's the truth. Yeah, the point still plays. So there obviously is a lot of history ground to cover but let's lump in

22:20 the major revolutions because they come from the same template and to quote the book you say, The English Revolution was followed by the American French and Russian versions of the same trick all at the behest and funded by the same group of people. Talk to us about this trick and how the banksters used it several times to get more wealth in power? Yeah well first of all what I refer to as The English Revolution most people know is The English Civil War That's just my way of referring to it. It was a revolution in the sense that it resulted in the murder of the king, basically. So he was usurped by Cromwell and his men over a long period of time so that is why I call it The English Revolution because although it was a civil war initially, it became a revolution

23:07 the ruler of the country was deposed. So, you know just to clear that up that's why I call it the English Revolution if no one has ever heard that phrase before. Yeah they all had slightly different shall we say purposes behind them but they were all certainly instigated by the same group people and you know you don't need me to mention the J word again even the American Civil War. Sorry, sorry the American Revolution we're talking about now by this time but and again we're talking like the 1770s, 1760-1770's England had already been usurped financially. We were almost 100 years into the central banking system in the UK and I think you know again many US listeners may know what the real cause of the American Revolution was and it certainly wasn't paying too much tax on tea or however they dress it up... You hear different stories

24:04 But it was more to do with the Americans actually rejected the central banking idea and they actually produced something called colonial script, which was their own currency which bypassed the English central banking system. So of course the English Central Banking System, which was completely dominant in English society took exception to that and sent its mercenaries in to call the Americans. And, you know obviously it didn't work allegedly but that's another story for another day I think you know what i mean But then the same thing happened with the French Revolution The French Revolution wasn't as we're led to believe at all It was just a way of

24:47 a certain group of people again trying to take control of the French government and impose central banking upon them too. We were told that it was a popular uprising, the French Revolution because the poor peasants were starving and all this. They were treated really badly by the royalty and I'm sorry but it's just absolute nonsense when you look into it And again there is plenty of information to be had on that particular topic But it was nothing like its portrayed to be Lastly of all, The Russian Revolution in 1917 I think thats fairly common knowledge now amongst

25:25 shall we say, alternative media and truth-seeker world. Once the Federal Reserve Bank had been created in the US then this actually created a whole boatload of money a lot of which were sent by Jacob Schiff, who was part of the Federal Reserve high-flying banker in the early part of 20th century. And he paid a lot of expatriate Jews to go over and take over Russia and kill the monarch there. That's exactly what happened. It is much longer and more complicated story than that but basically they are all the same story just slightly different

26:10 versions of the same story if you want but it's all got the same foundation and that is based in central banking being used to take over the world. Yeah and the power is so entrenched now that when I look at the history of central banking in america the back and forth is really interesting because before we had the federal reserve we had the bank of north america and then after that are we have the first bank in the united states tell us about this back-and-forth than some other people involved in this seldom discussed saga control that's pretty entrenched at this point yeah I mean obviously after after the american revolution independence and all the rest of it

26:58 they immediately tried to get a central bank going in the US. So although, as ridiculous as it sounds, although they fought the war of independence to gain freedom from central banking it wasn't long before again the bankers wheedled their way back into it and tried a central bank going, which they did. As you say it was the Bank of North America was it? Yeah and that began and then eventually the people at that time were far better informed than they are today because there wasn't the weight of the media as such then as there is today so people in general

27:38 were far better informed that it was a lot easier for people in government to reject things they didn't believe in, whereas today they're more or less cursed into doing everything the central banking powers want them to. But in those days there were independent thinkers such as Andrew Jackson is a good example he fought tooth and nail against the bank I need so i running now that i don't know whether it's some sort of a joke by the bankers but andrew jackson's images on one of the bills is not twenty dollars, add twenty dollar and up until now they're gonna change it to harriet tubman but yeah for so many years. Yeah real slap in the face he was he was the biggest opponent of the bank any action in fact he presidential campaign eighteen thirties where's what's built on this logan jackson and no bank

28:27 He understood the inherent badness within the central banking system and he fought against it. So that was successful for a while, but then as the 19th century dragged on obviously the American Civil War came into play and I'm forgetting the exact history of it now but there were two more attempts to get a central bank in America and they both failed because to defeat it because people were more savvy in those days they knew what these people were about and they knew that it would always be a detriment to the people and to the benefit of the people so there were a couple other occasions when the central bank was formed but it didn't last very long because there was no real sort of impetus behind it, it was criticized and couldn't sustain itself.

29:19 So, it was in the early 20th century when bankers got together again for one more go at it and this time they really put their heart and soul into it. And they produced a campaign – a really dirty tricks campaign of deceit and lies coupled with other things and eventually they'd more or less sort fooled Congress into accepting it and the Federal Reserve Bill was passed in 1913. And the rest is history, really! Yeah we've been screwed ever since and I get how people could fall for it because it is kind of a complex trick to uncover how unfair it truly is but once you see what happens with the central bank and you actually overcome it... It's insane to think they could get one installed again and twice even

30:07 Yeah, well different times I guess Greg. If a politician was opposed to something it wasn't necessarily in the pocket of these people at that time so it was in some ways easy to fight against it but once with the advent of mass media in late 19th century although there were only newspapers and no radio or television obviously But the mass media and also propaganda and things like that became to be understood better. And they could use any, basically any dirty trick in the book to convince people that black was white. That's exactly what they did and how we got the central bank in the US established. I wanted to read this little paragraph about The War of 1812 it's a little long but it's pretty great

30:52 The main opposition in Britain to the Rothschilds and their revenge war with the Americas was the Prime Minister Spencer Percival, who was soon disposed of at the hands of a lone deranged assassin. The first and absolutely definitely not the last of those who stand against the banksters to suffer a similar fate he was recorded by history as the only British prime minister to be assassinated while in office His assassin, John Bellingham who was very quickly and very conveniently tried convicted and hanged was strongly rumored to be in the employ of the Rothschild's. And this would also mark the first time that the Rothschilds would be associated with or rather conveniently benefit from a political assassination last part here for the record Percival was murdered on the 11th of May 1812 Bellingham was immediately arrested he made no attempt to escape but sat down and waited to be arrested

31:43 Definitely some interesting history there, man. But it sounds like he could have been the first mind-controlled Patsy too based on that last line! It just sounds like that doesn't it? I don't know if that was the case or not but yeah, it does sound like that. Percival was against the Renewal because again a lot of people may not be aware but after the Revolutionary War England had another go to try and get it back under control again in 1812, when they were defeated at the Battle of New Orleans by Jackson. But Percival was against that and he originally wouldn't allow troops to be sent back across to America again to subdue the colonials

32:24 And that's why he was assassinated by Bellingham. Yeah, to kind of throw some fuel on that fire I also wrote down an Andrew Jackson quote here and it perfectly sums up the parallels to problems that we have had several other times most recently during the bank bailouts but Here he says, he so politely says to them, gentlemen I have had men watching you for a long time and I have convinced that you've used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin 10 thousand families?

33:04 That may be true, gentlemen. But this is your sin should I let you go on? You'll ruin 50 thousand families and that would be my sin. Your identity person thieves. I intend to root you out and that's powerful but it does summarize that catch 22 situation that urine once you are entrenched in the banking system doesn't it absolutely yeah what a fantastic quote that is I just love it really do its It just sort of encapsulates everything that it's all about in a sense. Yeah, to fast forward a little bit to the time of the Civil War something else I found interesting was some of this info about the Knights of The Golden Circle This is a powerful secret society that wielded power in the Confederacy Of which the notorious Jesse James and also John Wilkes Booth were apparently members Tell us about that group and some of the history here concerning Jesse James in particular

33:55 Yeah, the Knights of the Golden Circle as you say they were a secret society. They're an offshoot of the Freemasons in effect and they were involved as you say in the Southern States. Jesse James as everyone knows was murdered by his cousin Bob Ford Or was he? Apparently not. Jesse James lived to the age of 107 and he died in his bed in the 1940s, but yeah The Knights Of The Golden Circle were involved with with the story of John Wilkes Booth and the assassination of Lincoln And all that stuff and again that is a far more complex story than

34:34 than it is given credit for today. Booth certainly wasn't killed while he was on the run, he survived that and he was one of the knights to the Golden Circle as well and for some reason they decided that it was expedient for them to say that Booth had been killed whilst fleeing but in actual fact he survived and carried on but it was Jesse James who actually murdered Booth I think thats correct to say Because Booth was a Freemason and he actually was going around bragging, getting drunk and bragging to everybody who he was and what he'd done. And also about divulging secrets of Freemasonry. So as far the KGC was concerned it was a far greater crime

35:25 to tell the stories he was telling than it was to assassinate a president. So, he was bumped off by James. Yeah! I thought that was really interesting definitely a saga that people aren't familiar with No and again its not just my speculation Greg there's lots of evidence to back this up you know? I didn't just put stuff in for the hell of it Right Yeah, I mean a thousand pages you've got lots of things sourced in the book that which makes it easier to read with confidence You know But yeah sure Of course there's more to say about banksters and their secret societies. You go into quite a bit of depth here And a lot of us know the basics but was there anything that you found that wasn't contained in say the conspiratorial 101 handbook we know there are connections to Isaac Weishaupt's Illuminati and The Freemasons but talk to us about the depth of those connections that people might not be aware of

36:16 Oh yeah, well as I say the banksters they are the ruling elite or what I call the banksters and although they're not all bankers of such. They are all banksters and just bear with me a second here because it's not so easy to just say...I've got to sort of do this preamble first and that is that I call them the banksters because they own the banks and everything else as well If you go to the top of any pyramid in society, whether it be something innocuous like the Boy Scouts. Whether it be the Federal Reserve, whether it be individual banks or corporations they're all part of the same big club at the very top of the pyramid so whether they are bankers and banksters that they are people who rule the world, they are the controllers of the world

37:08 You know, it's... Is the simple question really not not to say about it and we did mention the federal reserve of course people know that is the central bank we have here in america right now but you write about in quite a bit of depth talk about the jack o'leland hunt club in the infamous meeting on jack o'leland gave us the federal reserve, talk to us about some of these players and maybe something's that people wouldn't have uncovered if they didn't go to your level of death instead of that you have. Yeah, well obviously the plot had been going on in banking circles for quite some time but eventually in 1910 I believe it was a group of the nation's top bankers went on this clandestine mission down to an island just off the coast of Georgia called Jekyll Island which is like a private resort and in fact very wealthy.

38:03 And it was all done in the utmost secrecy. Only first names were allowed, they were called The First Name Club People like Nelson Aldrich and JP Morgan's representatives I can't remember all the names off the top of my head because you can imagine there is a lot of information in there Van der Lippe as well was one of them. But it was basically all the big banking conglomerates pre-Federal Reserve that were involved in this scam, if you like and they went down to the Jekyll Island Hunt Club, they stayed there for a couple of weeks, they formulated their plan not just how the Federal Reserve Bank was going to work but how

38:40 Set up this campaign to pull the wool over everybody's eyes to you know, to bribe the media to bribe politicians to make everybody think that this was a jolly good thing and you know we were american economy collapse unless we do anything about it. Let me bring into play central bank is gonna be object poverty nationwide in the produces massive extensive campaign there was designed to obviously pull all of everybody's eyes but you don't want people saw through it But that, to go back another step had been instigated in 1907 because there was a massive run on the banks in 1907 and J.P Morgan who was one of the leading lights in the finance world at that time virtually bailed out the US government single-handedly because the government was in danger of going bankrupt and therefore falling so they owed him big time basically. So that was quite a nice little lever they had into

39:39 that level of control if you like. So it was from that island, that meeting on that island the plan was devised to generate goodwill behind the formation of the Federal Reserve and it actually won the day in the end. Right, and they had to put it through on Christmas Eve weekend so that there weren't going to be any opponents or senators there to really see what was going on So that's when they rammed it through when no one was around That's right And of course you were our Titanic conspiracy guest but for those who missed that show how solid is the connection that the Federal Reserve opponents were

40:18 strategically on that ship. Okay, some of that is speculation I have to say it just very neatly fits into the jigsaw you know... It does it does but having said that I do know that Strauss Isidore Strauss Benjamin Guggenheim and John Jacob Astor were the three of the four wealthiest opponents of the Federal Reserve System. And it was just a nice little coincidence maybe that, was actually came to pass that they all died together in an accident so you know it's very convenient. Right yeah three birds one stone the fourth member who wasn't on the titanic was a guy called charles limburg senior it was the father of famous flyer, the spirit of saint louis skype. Yeah he was a big opponent federal reserve and he wrote actually wrote a book call

41:18 I've forgotten what the book's called now, Currency in the Banking System or something like that. Which absolutely laid bare every nasty element of the proposed Federal Reserve system and he was paid... He was offered two-and-a-half million dollars which in those days... It means a fortune today but in those days it was probably about 250 to 300 million dollars not to publish it And it turned down but it never actually did get published because i think the publishers that would be publishes a good thing got out as well so it never actually got published right and. It is kind of hard to fathom how over so many years these banks could, get their tentacles into society so easily but you're right if u just

42:06 find somebody of course you're gonna be able to find an agent finds somebody in the government who actually can make decisions and say hey will make you one of the richest people on the planet you know just let us get our currency in there and then we'll give a bunch of it to you exactly and that is great news at venue but once the federal reserve was established enable them to create money out nothing so he was not going through them you know they could they could bribe people with x absolutely massive amounts of money and didn't make any difference. It was no detriment to them, they're just plucking it out thin air." I mean how stupid must they think? From their perspective the whole world has to be just a bunch of morons because you're just printing your own monopoly money and people are working jobs 40 hours a week their entire life to get that paper and it means nothing!

42:53 Absolutely. It only means what we believe it to mean and we believe a dollar bill is worth the dollar bill, and that's it if recently said no I'm not accepting that I don't believe its worth anything I am not taking that The whole system will collapse Its just the belief That piece of paper Is worth equivalent of one dollar But what is one dollar? Originally one dollar was What is one ounce of silver something along those lines it was like an intrinsic value and all the dollar bill was a receipt. One ounce piece of silver what you know to take it back the whole line is that these tally sticks,

43:34 And then that evolves into, okay now we have something that's represented by a receipt but it still backed by real gold. You just can't you don't want to lug gold around and then they extract that from the paper currency and now we're at the farthest Element removed from any real wealth or any real security or tracking of any kind and it's all just ones and zeros They say I think like 85 or 90 percent of the money supply is just ones and zeroes on computers They haven't even printed real money. I mean, that's the furthest degree of separation from wealth and paper money I mean how do they go from here except to straight digital currencies like Bitcoin or something?

44:13 Indeed, absolutely. Yeah I mean that will come you know Bitcoin and there are other what we call crypto currencies as well as bitcoin but obviously bitcoin was the first and that's the most sort of important at the moment but yeah it will...that will come and i think they fought against that at first but now they're accepting that that's probably where their future is becoming more accepted now bitcoin But it was really frowned upon originally by the powers-that-be but I think they realize They can't stop it because the momentum behind is quite strong actually. That's a good thing I think. And I've had several guests who talk about that being a major element in the elites plan right now as they move to a cashless society and as we extrapolate that pattern of where we've come from those tally sticks,

44:59 that's the last thing to control because most people obviously don't keep huge sums of cash, but someone could. And if you're going to have a collapse and yet... and someone out in the middle of the desert has saved up $100,000 in cash, you can't control that with your ones and zeros because they've actually got the physical dollars there. But if you move to a total cashless society anyone who makes a problem for you, you can just turn their bank account to zero and say fuck off No resources now absolutely i need yeah i mean the thing about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies at the moment i'm not saying it always will be but at the moment as i understand that is outside of control central banking system so that can only be a good thing because they envisage a cashless society that's gonna be under their control right outside their control.

45:49 That's true and i mean i have to be honest I own a decent amount of bitcoin because im hopeful in that very same thing but also skeptical, because how else could you sell a new currency except by saying it was outside their control when its all computerized. I'm just not 100% confident i wanna be i am hopeful that is what I'm so much that i have actually bought into what one coin which is a competitor bitcoin and not just really the beginning now but it you know its forecast to do pretty well so i'm quite hopeful. Right fingers crossed yeah yeah i mean,

46:26 It's just another hedge of a bet, really. Isn't it? Right it is so you also have a chapter where you detail the what we call the 13 main families of control loosely called the Illuminati families Of course We know Rockefeller Rothschild DuPont Astor we know some of these but there are lesser-known ones like Bundy Reynolds Krupp and Lee can you shed any light on the less public families in the club if you know details about any of them Yeah well the american ones on bundy and what was your name mentioned sorry reynolds crop rental rentals of tobacco magnets are there, they were they with the people who sort of virtually got monopoly on the tobacco industry in the us.

47:11 I mean, just in a very small nutshell what all these families are. Well Li is an exception because he's Chinese but we'll come on to that in a moment but certainly the American ones they're just the big industrialists which I lump together as banksters because if you remember back to the original definition of banksters it's not necessarily people who are involved in banking directly But, they have fingers in pies and as I said at the tops of all these pyramids so at the top of the tobacco organisation. At the top of the steel industry, at the top of the banking industry, at the top of any other industry, railway industry whatever you care to name all those people are involved whether or not they actually have controlling interest in banks they may not but certainly got control

47:58 interests in much of American industry and basically it's all one big club at the top. So I lump them all together to me they are just one group of people and that's certainly how they behave That makes sense and the Lee family seems to be one that is a bit of an exception to the rest. Yeah, the Lee family are involved in you know the triad movement they are the Lee family virtually control China's I would say single-handedly but that's not true because there are awful lot of them but it's a big family but they're behind a lot of the corruption the drug running and all the rest of it between China and the rest of the world, you know because there's a massive opium crop in China I'm sure you're aware. And all the triads are controlled by varied… the different branches of the triads

48:46 the Chinese gangsters, for people who are not aware what triads are. They've infiltrated most cities in the world really certainly the major ones and it's different branches of the Li family that control different aspects and different elements of it gambling prostitution you know drugs the usual stuff and they do have these inter-family squabbles from now on you know from time to time and bump each other off and all the rest of it But basically, they control much of the commerce shall we say both legal and illegal between China and the rest of the world.

49:24 Yeah, absolutely. Good description. And you also spend some time on the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as you should but then you mention a group called the Jason Society You call them a branch of The Order Of The Quest one of the most influential elements in the Illuminati That's a bit new to me I'm not familiar with the Jason Society what can you tell us about them? Yeah, the Jason Society. As you say they're just another element of the similar, not quite the same but a similar element to the CFR and the Trilateral Commission but the Jason Society are the real elite of those two organisations

50:05 So, only the people at the very top of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations are part of the Jason Society. The Jasons are the elite and they sit immediately under the very top of the pyramid if you like Okay, so it's there's not an awful lot to tell I mean they're just they're just involved up to their eyes in it Just the same as the rest but they have a control a greater degree of control. I mean, you know You can get people ordinary guys like politicians who being good lads and done as they told they can join the Trilateral Commission But not the Jason Society that is really weird

50:42 Where both of those sort of people yeah, obviously they're very secretive things and they're all just fronts for similar groups But it is always fun to hear a new name in this quest on cover what they're doing Absolutely. I mean I would advise anybody to actually Google X It's quite interesting as well stuff to talk about but but if you think that has been more generational based so it's It's a bit like it passed down through father son uncle brothers blah blah blah you know all the rest of it where is anybody. Once your research research point in the hierarchy can be invited to join me yes if are other trial actual that makes perfect sense as a good way to separate one from the other yeah,

51:25 So as you point out in the book, the shareholders of the big central banks spread around the world are never really fully disclosed. But many of these big families and the British Royals are heavily suspected of being some of the shareholders can tell us what we do know to be true in the realm of Central Bank ownership? Well only that we know for sure that the Rothschilds are involved and it's suspected very strongly that the British Royal family is involved And all these central banks, they're not just restricted to each individual country. So the Bank of England is not a separate entity to the Federal Reserve, it's not a separate entity to the German Central Bank and so on ad nauseum. They are all intrinsically connected either by families or births

52:10 that it's just a, and again I keep using the same expression but it is just a massive club at the top. And you know its all these multi-generational families such as the Royals but unfortunately I can't elaborate anymore because there literally are no details A lot of this speculation But it for certain that the Rothschilds were involved because they began it all You know why would they relinquish control over it? Also I find that it quite significant to me or over here in Britain, the Sunday Times Rich Lists where it gives you a list of who the most wealthy people in their country and the world are. The Rothschilds never appear and neither does the British Royal Family I mean that should really tell us everything we need to know shouldn't it? Exactly yeah obviously

52:57 So there is a lot of great stuff in your chapter about the British royal family. But if I had to pull out just one thing to talk about, it would probably be the Kamloops and Mission Indian residential school situation and this whistleblower William Arnold Combs because it gives us a sliver of proof for something that a lot of us think is probably a much bigger problem but what happened there? Right, apparently according to William I think his name's pronounced Coombs. Okay He was a... Canadian Indian birthday was a native canadian if you like and he was an orphan from a very young age it's put into this residential school where the children were abused in the guy again if the list is one of looking more but got caught kevin annette that's a double n e double t right here writes a lot about listening and its from him that I got this information

53:54 and talking about the reservation schools in the early to mid 20th century, where there was endemic child abuse and murder going on with the native Canadians. And apparently the Queen of England and her husband, Duke of Edinburgh paid a visit because obviously Canada is part of the British Commonwealth so they go over there quite regularly, see all their buddies over there. Apparently the Queen visited them in the early 60s and about 16 or was it 16 maybe 12 of them went on a picnic

54:31 I'm the kids never came back right and this is true, this isn't you know this is not just again does not my speculation are paying the sky this is true in other than a lot of witnesses to it can add deep puts a lot more detail in it that i did in my book is quite simply there wasn't space for this guy comes at you talking about There was actually to be a court case where Elizabeth the Queen had been summoned to attend in England about four or five years ago. Obviously she was never going to go because it wasn't official, in inverted commas and quotes

55:09 But the trial of her was going to take place anyway and Coombs was going to be the main witness for the prosecution. And he died the week before, had been perfectly healthy and it was taken into hospital and he died suddenly at age 59. Damn! Yeah so that's that story I mean a lot people believe that the Royals are upto their neck in all kind of stuff child abuse murder And all the rest of it. I've got no absolute proof, but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised. Exactly and looking at these little stories gives us an indication of what might be the bigger picture But if there isn't a child pedophilia ring if they're not involving kids in strange

55:53 rituals to some degree. Why would the Queen show up to this, you know resident...this school and then extract half a dozen kids or whatever and just leave with them? I mean yeah what else do you need kids for but exactly so we're starting to move pretty fast here but take us into World War One where do we see the bankers pulling the strings here right well again it's all intrinsically connected to the Federal Reserve Because it was actually the creation of Federal Reserve in 1913. The bankers had been plotting World War I for a long time, but they knew they had to get the Federal Reserve in place first because simply we go back that old chestnut again ever being able to print funny money To fund it they couldn't possibly have funded every side in World War one without

56:43 getting the printing presses going and having nothing back in that money. So once the Federal Reserve was established, it was then a very short jump to World War I. In fact you know World War I happened less than a year later or in Europe obviously in the States that Americans didn't come until 1917 but it was raging in Europe from them the middle of 1914 And again, it was all financed by America by the Federal Reserve money because they knew again the banksters. The people who not only run the banks but run the industries, the armaments industries, the steel industry or any kind of provision for war knew that they would make an absolute killing and I detail in quite a bit of detail the profits that were actually made by the various branches of industry in the book

57:32 but it was all artificially created you know as a profit making enterprise basically and it was the federal reserve that allowed them to be able to do that right in making the case set these banks are the string pullers of pretty much every situation through history after world war one, the depression is probably the next big major thing of course its long been considered to be a banker controlled situation but maybe can tell us more what's going on behind the curtain of the great depression. Right, well again the early 1920s from 1920 onwards once the First World War had finished and prosperity started to return. The bankers again with central banks it's important to understand that they can pump as much money into the economy as they wish They can extract money from the economy if they wish by restricting credit i.e. restricting loans because its loans that generate money and therefore generates inflation

58:29 So, they pumped lots and lots of money into industry, into society in general. People were prosperous it was just a crazy time the 1920s especially in the US and it got to the point where people were being encouraged deliberately to invest in stocks and shares. I mean people, you know ordinary people blue collar workers just ordinary guys labourers had not done that sort of stuff before because it was only for the wealthy but the bank has devised this plan whereby they would artificially generate this boom if you like, this boom time encourage everybody to invest in a stock market

59:09 Then of course they planned it quite carefully that sometime during 1929 October, they would have a plug pulling session. And so they immediately began selling everybody who was in on the scam and again it was all usual suspects at the tops of trees Suddenly, in October began pulling money out of the stock market. And once that starts you know it's a spiral, a downward spiral. The stock prices start to fall everybody gets out there is run on the bank and there are bankruptcies banks going bust you name it thousands of banks went under outside of the Federal Reserve banking system of course not the Federal Reserve itself

59:56 And of course then what that allows them to do is once all these people are made penniless and homeless, they can then buy back because they've already taken their money out so their money's safe. They can then buy back all these assets that people are desperate to offload at pennies on the dollar basically and that's exactly what happened in The Great Depression lasted about five six years before it began you know recover and that actually led to the dust bowl for various reasons, you know the big dustbowl in 1930s where thousands of farmers starved were homeless went bankrupt. The mass emigration too to California all arrested from the central plains areas which was a bad basket of America wasn't it but there are lots and lots of farmers when went under again

1:00:47 Those properties were bought but the pen is on the dollar and it's all just one big scam that so-called boom and bust cycle that our mainstream media economists tell us is just part of the natural cycle of money which is. Complete bullshit of course and yeah so you know they put us into a bus cycle extract all the wealth out of the system and then get the thing to get us. Get the wheels turn again of course is a war world war two that's what it was. That's the only way they really let us get back in the game. But obviously, there is a ton of deception and manipulation when it comes to the World War II story but hit it from the bankster angle one quote you do say that interesting all the things going on you do say Winston Churchill sold out to the banksters against the welfare his own nation to line his own pockets in manner of modern Judas.

1:01:45 Those are pretty harsh words. What did Churchill do here? It was so bad. Well, it's quite interesting actually if you read about Churchill's life and his attitudes and his views from even from the First World War Right up through the 30s, everything he says is pro...is anti-Bankster. It's anti banking it's pro Hitler it's pro Germany then all of a sudden in the mid 1930s He has an absolute complete change of heart and it's now known and again this is fully documented It's not my speculation I know keep using that phrase but I'll keep saying it

1:02:25 It's fully documented that he was actually bribed by the Jewish elements within the central banking system to actually ferment a war against Germany. And it's quite obvious, there is just a paper trail if you like of quotes and things that are said and done that makes you realize that nobody could make such a U-turn without actually being bribed. It is quite believable he was bribed because he was heavily in debt. A spent thrift was Churchill who used to spend a lot money

1:03:00 on lots of different things young boys for one thing it was very much into pedophilia with young boys he was a fetishist of ladies underwear and used to buy expensive so ladies underwear, more than pairs that cost more than the working man's monthly wage at the time. It was a real big spender and he got himself into awful debt, and the only way you could see out of it was basically to sell his soul. Man that obviously is an important aspect of history and also with World War II there's so many things going on but the formation of Israel of course is a huge part of the aftermath and still as an ongoing issue today how were they banking elite involved here what was this really about because I believe its set up for possible third world war?

1:03:48 Yeah, I believe so. If we go back a few years in the 1870s, a guy called Albert Pike who was the most senior Freemason in the United States wrote a letter to, I believe from memory it was one of the Zionist leaders at that time – Zionism was a new up-and-coming What should we say belief trend in that time and i'll go to this letter stating the you know it was a it was basically in their corner. I'm the illuminati the banks is whatever name you want apply to them would instigate three world wars first one,

1:04:29 would result in the Russian Revolution, bearing in mind he wrote this in 1875 and the deposing of the Russian Tsar, the king. The second one would result in a homeland for the Jews in Palestine and the third one would be fomented by creating friction between the Christians and Muslims And sitting in the middle of all that, again it's that group of people we keep talking about. The Jews but specifically... Again I want to make the point, and I am not anti-Semitic, I think the Jews have been as a group on occasions have been badly done too by lots of sections of society but the problem is its the people at the top

1:05:17 The Zionists, if you will. Who create that situation nowadays whereby people become anti-Semitic because they believe it's all the Jews but it is not all Jews It's just a section of them called the Zionists and its the Zionists that cause all the problems And again to be fair not all Zionists are Jewish There are many Christian Zionists and they're just as culpable as Jewish Zionists So I want to make that clear in case anyone thinks im being unfair anyway Racist or whatever. Yeah, those qualifiers of course everybody puts them out there but I mean it is true what's really happening is the people we're really trying to target are hiding within a larger group and that's what makes them hard to identify because they aren't the terms

1:06:02 For them outside of these things like Illuminati, banksters elite but they're hiding within this bigger group. It's a lot of the reason why they never get fully charged and convicted and the other people in the group that aren't the elite have suffered the worst because they're getting the brunt of the you know bad PR but they also aren't getting any benefit to being in that group. Yeah absolutely And of course, there's a lot of propaganda from Zionism to Judaism. There is a lot of propaganda that says the two are interchangeable because it's in the Zionists' best interest just to make that so

1:06:37 Right on, man. Well we could do it all day I gotta let you go eventually It has been a lot of fun You do great work Hopefully any listeners who want a pretty complete look at history through the puppet strings of The Banksters? I don't know a better book they could get so Please remind the people where to get Behind The Curtain and other books that you've written in places They can follow up with you and your work Okay, if you just go to amazon.com and key in my name John Hamer H A M E R You'll find all the books that I've written on there Nice are you doing the twitter thing i'm just about to start my son is actually going to this show is finished my son is going to give me my first ever lesson on twitter nice, i'm gonna start doing it will definitely know let me know your handle on there so we can let the people now we can start getting a ball rolling on twitter for ya.

1:07:31 I will subscribe. Awesome, well thanks again man maybe we can do this again sometime but keep doing the good work you do and enjoy the rest of your day! Yeah thanks a lot mate. All right Alright, alright. John Hamer back in the saddle for a second helping of your favorite show Great guest I'd say his books are very extensive well worth your time You hear me say this a lot But I just wouldn't book a guest if it didn't like what they wrote but I do gravitate toward these books that really take you through everything Totally self-contained so if someone says what do you mean the world is controlled by banksters who orchestrate every war and play economies like an out of tune guitar. Well i'd say read behind the curtain because in 1000 pages you'll hear history from that perspective it's a pretty well rounded case, its funny how people who are so sure conspiracy advocates are nuts have never read one of these books cause they change their mind

1:08:28 And with this book in particular, you get breadcrumbs of other threads that I think are just as interesting and important. That's largely what we got into in the second hour and it's one of these shows that I really wish everyone could hear because after the first hour when John opens up about NASA and the misdirection of modern science, that is when we get into some great places You know how sometimes you might want to talk about a particular fringe idea to a friend or co-worker and you kind of toss out an entry level comment just to feel them out, see if they throw anything back. And then they come at your full force with like dude I know all about that!

1:09:08 You ever have those moments? I used to love that kind of thing back when i had normal regular interactions with new people. But weaving through history and pointing out banker manipulations this is a serious THC staple, and I thought we hit on some new areas of the story that were probably new to you in In that second hour though, discussing how the banking industry was involved in the moon landing hoax and how part of its function was as a smoke screen for the Vietnam War. That really opened up a can of worms in the NASA science realm Then we talked about something I've discussed with a lot of guests off-the radar off the air And that's how some missing or abducted children can be traced back to the actions of the CIA

1:09:50 and the further implications of that. A lot of people don't want to talk about it, but John mentions it in the book so I went for it! If its dangerous to talk about it's in The Plus Show So there is a slight bit of security there It's not just floating around Then we got into why technology has been suppressed and some of those unallowable options that would make the world a better place And then as we got into solutions I went on a rant about the basic income idea Which I'm a big fan of, have been ever since the Ellen Brown show. I've been thinking about trying to get her back She also just wrote a new piece about the weed revolution and Monsanto So there's another thing to discuss so many possibilities so little time right?

1:10:32 But that pretty much closes out the month of June. I will have a Moneybomb winner, hopefully we'll get a message on the next episode They haven't been great about giving me those messages but i think we are going to be winding down The money bomb program in the next couple months im just getting too busy trying to hold all this up and something's gotta give participation is lower too but anyway I know we've had a couple week shows in the fairly recent past but let's look at June. Marty leads in the flat earth not for everybody but a pretty well received show overall, Russ Baker on The Bushes well researched and knowledgeable guest Patrick Jordan and Judith Barry Baker with a vaccine weaponization one-two punch and John Hamer taking us home. I think it's been informative and well diversified month

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1:12:16 But that's it for me. Thanks for all the support and for listening, it is a dream come true really It is and that's it from me today Your move Bankster oligarchs of the Rothschild Rockefeller reality your fucking move Oh no You see The world isn't random its attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9 to 5 has tried to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings From some spying agency Wish we were younger and free