Jim Gale | Food Forest Abundance & Breaking The Scarcity Spell

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are The Hireside Chats Well, this is the way Higher Side Chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and if the events of 2020 showed us anything it's just how quickly things can change and just how vulnerable and unsustainable our system really is. Toilet paper panics supply chain disruptions mask and temperature check compliance just to get groceries And at least for me the closure of our best resource The local farmers market

01:48 We should be thankful it wasn't worse, but let it be a wake-up call that we won't catch ourselves being so system dependent in the future. Because the way The Big Machine has trained us to live is for its benefit not ours! It pollutes the air, water and land and exchanges nutrient-dense organic foods for glyphosate soaked monocrops in chemical based lab creations stored in plastic and aluminum. It's time that many of us stop suckling at the teat of the very industrialized culture we like to criticize take the personal responsibility up a notch and graduate from consumer to producer With a little foresight and direct action, we can confidently see that Walmart, Kraft & Nestle need us a lot more than we need them.

02:31 We have seen the problems for years, but many of us have stopped just short of stepping up when it comes to creating the solutions. Which is why Jim Gale of Food Forest Abundance does what he does and is spending some time with us today! He's an expert in permaculture design food forests and edible landscapes who has been helping people take back the food production power in their lives for years His company will draw out the blueprints for how to use your space for maximum efficiency, teach you what you need to know through his online course or actually come do the installation work required to get you up and running. It's a powerful contribution to helping us build the new, better world as the old one falls down around us and I'm psyched to talk to him today. The passionate permaculture preacher, food forest teacher and a thorn in the side of the big machine – the nature boy himself Jim Gale! Welcome to The Higher Side. Well thank you Greg for the introduction and it is a pleasure to be with you let's inspire some people to grow food

03:30 Amen man yes i am very grateful to have you here I learned about your work from your segment with del big tree on the high wire recently and was really impressed with your passion and knowledge when it comes too. Using whatever space we have to take back a little control, add not just raised beds with a few tomato plants you really use a deep understanding of nature to get the most out of this base install food producing plants that have a symbiotic relationship with each other and it's beautiful thing to get us going here tell us about your story and not process of transitioning away from just worrying and obsessing over the problems in society to finding a way to offer people solutions cuz i think that's what a lot of us are wanting to do right now even if we're feeling a little stuck getting there.

04:22 Darn right we are a lot of people in the world are so focused on the problem that they're miserable and that is The SIA is to keep humanity in fear because fear is controllable and faith is uncontrollable Courage is uncontrollable. So how do we get there? well, We first have to take a look at the problem The problem is, as Henry Kissinger said back in the 70s. He said if you want to control nations control oil if you want to control people control food So this strategy, which is very clearly documented in a document called Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars has taken control of the pillars of industry of the world. Of course starting with the Federal Reserve which is obviously not federal we can't even audit our own money supply it's a completely cabal and criminal run organization and all the way through to of course the medical systems and the school systems

05:24 down to the Bellamy salute, which is I pledge allegiance and then they control what we pledge allegiance to through the control over the Of course the fake news and all of the social media platforms not all thank gosh You're on air. I mean or so how do we take control back? Everything starts with using our resources wisely. The American lawn, there's 40 million acres of American lawn in the United States and when we use that one resource wisely we completely wipe out their pillars of control

06:05 And I'll get a little bit into how we do that here in a bit, but you asked me basically how I got to this. So I had a mortgage company did about $1.3 billion in revenue and yeah it was incredible ride It was good timing In fact that show The Big Short Have you seen that one? Yeah! That movie? Yeah the movie...I mean they- I watched it as one of my favorite shows of all time because they nailed it In every level of that, the mortgage industry was built on fraud and these same exact people controlling the currency of the people. So I sold that company lived down in the ocean for a year and then i was looking for something to do

06:47 I had always been in this idea after i first learned about the greatest speakers of all time Napoleon Hill and Dennis Waitley and Wayne Dyer, all these people that were teaching the outside-of-the box education that you don't find in the schools. When I learned that, I started writing goals and visualizing my future in a new way. That was the foundation or the catalyst for everything to come from that. And if I could inspire everybody listening to do one thing, it's to focus your energy forward. To ask new questions about what is possible for you in life and then start writing down the reasons why and how. Once you start taking steps in that direction, It's like addicting because its fun! Its joyful So I started writing down my goals

07:43 did the billion three in revenue with the mortgage company, lived on the ocean. Got bored I started a foundation called The Wisdom Foundation My goal was to get all of these tools of emotional intelligence which is what i understood at that time into every school The schools didn't want anything to do with it They were so monolithic and lethargic and their structures where basically...I did not know how to pierce that structure So I ended up finding Costa Rica and I've always been a nature lover, nature boy growing up. When I drove from Nicaragua to Costa Rica and I opened the door in southern Costa Rica of my car

08:27 The energy of the jungle, the vibration, the cicadas blew my mind. In fact I got the chills just imagining being standing there it was an incredible vibration experience so i started getting into developing land and i started getting criticized by some of the local environmentalists saying that i was destroying and I wasn't destroying, I was actually building greenhouses to create fruit tree nurseries immediately without even knowing anything about edible landscapes or permaculture sustainability. It was just what i love to do so I invited the critics into my office My goal was to inspire them to actually advocate for the development that I was building and they said no way in hell we will never support a developer no matter what

09:20 I eventually got them out of my office. I wiped off the sweat and the tears and the blood, and one word stuck out to me, and it was the word permaculture. So I'm like okay what is this permaculture stuff? so i started going into it. I started researching it at the same time that 9-11 was an inside job. And when I put those two things together And I've never really quit going down the rabbit hole, although I changed my focus. So I learned that the system is completely controlled by the same families that have been running this show for hundreds if not thousands of years but definitely it's very clear hundreds of years when Rothschild 400 years ago said, I'm gonna put my kids on them five continents or whatever all around the world and we're gonna control the world currency

10:16 Isn't that nuts? Yeah, it's true. It's crazy! Then 200 years later I think it was Mayor Rothschild in England said, I care not which puppet sits on the throne of England when I control its currency and what is a currency? A currency is the energy of the people. It's the stored value of the people So they created a scam in order to steal the stored value of the people, the energy of the slaves. Right? And one of my other favorite quotes is Goeth when he said none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Like that one gives me chills because when I first heard that I said bullshit! I'm not a slave and can do whatever I want and then it's like wait a minute

11:05 Can I work and not pay property taxes or a percentage of my labor to the government? And then what is the government?" Well, it just happens to be guberneir mentee which means manager control the mind. My mind was blowing the whole time! How could we have missed this obvious string of facts to think that were not slaves?! I'm a solution-oriented optimist for the most part. And, I went down that rabbit hole and I went down two years of kind of shitty two years because I was focused on the ugly and then I started asking new questions like what are the solutions? And I guess what inspired me in what the catalyst for the change in my focus was reading Bill Mollison's quote

11:58 Though the problems of our world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain... This one gets me every time. The solutions remain embarrassingly simple." Yes! Boom! I probably bawled on and off for two days because that was my ticket to the path forward. That was my ticket to freedom of my own mind, of my own spirit having the faith and the courage to move forward. Because before that I was kind of in this fear state, the state of holy shit! What are we going to do? And I didn't know what we were going to do. I just knew that it sucked so anyway when i heard that I started focusing on the question how can I use every bit of my energy, my ability, my history and how could I learn

12:52 A big part of this solution, as big a part as I can possibly be. And that was it and for the last 10 years I've been asked them the same question infatuated with the answer and the answer has taken me down this path to where we are now which is the simplest freaking thing in the world I'll stop for a second, let you jump in. I love it! That's the kind of talk that motivates people around here and it is really good summary of your journey. In a previous interview we heard that you framed our situation as a fight between the promoters of life versus the promoters of death and the more I think about that, that's really deep and it's great way to sum it all up?

13:36 Yeah, this is good and evil. And I don't claim to understand really what that means other than there's one group that is promoting the death of the spirit of the soil of our air of our water and of our life on earth. They're literally the poison producers and manufacturers and demand daters of our society. Mm hmm. Yeah. I know 2020 got really crazy for a lot of people. Masks, vaccines, store closings and a lot of shows like mine are focused on that and i'm sure there are listeners that are like wow permaculture gardening with all the problems we have that's where we're going? And it's like well what more do you need to know about the problems we've been digesting them for over a year exactly so how we take back the power

14:29 is we take their pillars of control. And what are their pillars of control? Well, when we are paying taxes on land that were supposed to own—that's a slave tax— and using it with grass and lawn... Now if you think about how fucking insane this is! A lawn, a monocrop that you have to mow once a week in the summer or all your life here in Florida, and it produces no food yield Or let's just say you have a peach tree, a plum tree and an apple tree. Those will each produce about 200 fruit per year. That's 600 healthy snacks per year that would be basically free once you got these fruit trees planted and that are hyper nutritious compared to the same exact food in the store. Not only that but they're growing without poisons

15:31 And the poisons are what cause our need for the medical system that creates this endless loop that they control. And they control our health, they control the keys to heaven education and the awareness of what they control how they control it gets us the freedom to choose to control our own Yes well said and the american lawn conspiracy is definitely something that people should think about like you say forty million acres of lawn. it's soaked with poisons to keep it that way with nothing else growing there nothing of value and. It's interesting when you do that calculation of saying if we could just turn a third of that back into food forests, i mean what the abundance that produces you can't do that calculation and know that would be enough acreage to really really solve a lot about problems in when you put those terms it doesn't seem so lofty

16:31 Exactly. It's not only not lofty, it's the next logical step! I might have said this already but i'm going to say it again The Garden of Eden ideal that most people think is some kind of illusory fantasy Is the next logical step and here are some of the reasons why One is its easier to grow a peach tree, a plum tree and apple tree than it is to grow lawn that would normally be in that same area you'll have to prune these trees maybe once a year if you want to for 15 minutes. And then, instead of pruning if you take and cut a little bit of circle around the bark and put this little gadget on there with soil

17:13 10 weeks ahead of time, then when you cut that limb off now you've got a new fruit tree that's worth 30 bucks and you just spent five minutes effort to make $30. Is that good return on time invested for most people? Absolutely those are the things that are inspiring me because so many of us are probably struggling in one way or another if we're lucky enough to have some land You really make it seem very feasible that we can get a return on that land instead of just a cost. I mean, especially in California people watering lawns. It's 80 bucks 100 bucks a month in some cases.

17:51 It's like, instead of just an outgoing cost you can really flip the script on that and get better yields than some of us are making in our regular day job. Big time! In fact that is one thing we do. We help people start nurseries that are the ultimate stack of functions so one function is your going to have a bunch of food you'll have way more than enough food for your family to eat on a relatively small food forest. Like, on a quarter acre of food forest your family—a normal-sized family, a four person family could not eat all that food

18:28 And, relatively speaking the ROI in cash alone like again let's just boil it down to one peach tree. It might cost to install one peach tree let's call it a hundred bucks right? A hundred and fifty bucks In the first four years you're not going to get too many peaches You might get a couple of hundred peaches in the first four years total But after that you'll get a couple hundred peaches per year Now how much is an organic peach thats basically vine ripened And by the way, Mother Nature knows best. When you pick something that's ripe it's going to be more tasty and more nutrient dense than something that was picked two or three weeks before it was ripe! So how much does that cost? Well we're talking about over a hundred percent ROI annually once these food forests get up and running.

19:22 Man yeah and what other sector can you get that kind of our life it's true it so true and thats also money that doesn't go into the pocket of the very people there making our society worse than this just a beautiful thing. And of course on this show we don't have the benefit of the visual aid that you had with high wire but help people understand what food for us really is the term is kinda obvious but paint a picture for us of how this is different than just a couple of raised beds and a couple of tomato plants because seeing what you do I mean it's a real ecosystem in our yards. Yeah it is, its an ecosystem, food forest is a community of plants that are designed to serve humanity, to serve the individual family

20:14 Primarily, so some people like certain types of fruits and veggies and roots and tubers and all the different medicinal benefits that go along with that. Other families might like a little bit of a different strategy but we can design according to the needs of the individual, the family and the community And this is the grassroots movement. This is the idea as time has come, it's not up to the governmente to do this for us! It's up to us and individuals and how we do that? Well there are two ways to affect change One is violence enforced which what going on around the world right now The other one is inspire To inspire is to raise the vibration into inspired somebody

21:00 And that's our job. That's my job is to inspire people to take that first step and then to empower them in which direction to take the first step And now a lot of us are probably stuck in situations where we don't have any land were renting apartments in the city we might be lucky just to have a small patio, they're trying to push this into the smart city grids and you know we probably need to resist that but if for any situation where we don't have any land. There are still a few things we can do, right? In terms of microgreens. Yes! Microgreens are awesome I actually turned my whole garage into a microgreens garage couple years back that was part of my path to where i am now

21:49 And a little bit about microgreens. You can go to Home Depot, you could buy a rack and buy one of those skinny racks about maybe 12 or 14 inches by 20 inches deep it might have four or five or six shelves on it. You can buy an LED light for 29 bucks per top of each shelf. Then a tray of microgreens on the market is between $20-30 Your expense to grow that same tray of microgreens is going to be about a buck fifty. And microgreens are four to forty times more nutrient dense than their adult counterparts and they harvest in fourteen days with very minimal water, you know? A couple water a day

22:35 And you've got, like I used to combine pea. My favorites were pea broccoli and kale and a little radish microgreens. And I would take about 1 8th of a tray of pea microgreens which grow really fast they're like eight inches tall very voluminous. Then I would cut those apart, I'd cut some broccoli and kale and radishes put those in a salad it's the best salad that very few people have ever eaten a salad that healthy yeah i love it and another thing i was thinking is even if we don't personally have our own homes. Most likely are parents have homes with some extra space in the yard that they're not using if you were to take the initiative to tend that space i'm sure your parents would be grateful and willing to share that abundance of you created with you so doesn't have to be about your own personal space use your networks

23:26 networks, I mean there's grow towers, there's hydroponics. In fact the cannabis industry they have shown us the way! They've shown us how we can grow a whole bunch of green right in our closets you know? Of course the whole tomato fertilizer thing is just code for cannabis fertilizer but guess what it works great for tomatoes too Yeah, plants are plants funny enough. Plants are plants. You know for people who do have a home a lot of the time they can't even make this transition if they're in a subdivision or have an HOA this little cartel that controls what you can and can't do with your own land how have you helped people to navigate those situations? I blow right through those rules

24:10 I've got five raised beds in my backyard and i'm waiting for the fight because i'm going to take it to them hardcore. And they might force me by handcuffs, to take those down and it might happen where they take them out and try to charge me for that? I am going to turn that problem into a solution on social media! And i'm gonna go nuts and i'm gonna benefit eventually from that problem. In fact That's not the norm, obviously. Most people don't want to go there but most people can grow food in their backyard It is the front yard for most HOAs where it is off limits So if you want to follow the HOA rules and I totally understand some people aren't willing to go that extreme then get a design because once the HOA sees that a food forest isn't some raggedy crazy thing

25:09 In fact, I'll describe it in this way. All HOAs their yards have ornamental landscapes. Shrubs and bushes and trees that don't produce any food but they look nice you can have the exact same looking landscape the only difference is it will be all food production. Yeah! I love it and that also makes me think about just our city structures in general i mean how many cities have shrubs and trees and. Ornamental landscapes that are constantly being maintained we pay a park service typically to go around and maintain all this stuff so it's not on the roads, add it doesn't yield anything these same people are right there watering these landscapes they could be picking that food too and taking it to the food pantry and improving a lot of lives

26:02 You nailed it. The American lawn takes more poisons and more resources than any other crop in the United States, and it doesn't provide food how insane is that? yeah and if we had some kind of program with our city hall which is usually on a lot of land that could be a community garden and people who are down on their luck could trade there hours in the garden for, the yields that it produces and they're learning available scale up self sufficiency at the same time courses system doesn't want this but these are things we should push for

26:41 Man, Greg your logic is just right on par with mine. And you're right there's a lot of communities that will resist this but we have to push because the difference is life and death And I don't say, I'm not a fear guy. You know what? I don't even believe in death anyway quite frankly so it's not about...it's about let's create the Garden of Eden! Let's create this world where we can actually have the peaceful exchange of value and that's also why we promote capitalism so much because there you know socialism and communism are force and violence and control

27:19 Capital is true real capitalism is the peaceful and voluntary exchange of value it's a beautiful thing where everybody voluntarily exchanges and everybody happier at the end of the exchange. Indeed let's get into that magic of nature for a long time i thought this stuff was boring but when you see the intelligence of trees in plants how it all works together actually starts to be pretty fascinating doesn't It's way more mind-boggling. Every day I'm just amazed, like plants will release certain chemicals, pheromones that have colors that we can't see they're like and i'm in danger or a SOS signal so the plant will be getting eaten on by some grub or army worm or bugger beetle and it'll release these chemicals and then a wasp will be flying up above

28:18 the area and they'll see a slight hue of pink or purple or green. And they'll go, oh my gosh there's some food down there! They'll fly down and eat the grub that is eating the plants So why do we have all these poisons and killers to kill all of these bugs in the microbiome? It's all part of the same control grid Those bugs Organisms are what create the foundation of our soil, of our life. Wow! Yeah and you can't take the pieces of the puzzle and separate them out they all kind have to go together 100% they do there's more organisms in a handful of soil than there are humans on the planet

29:07 Wow and that's good so i'll of course the non depleted stuff yeah you know and you mentioned this in a previous interview but they u n said we only have two generations of soil left so in terms of urgency that is not a lot of time. Yeah, yeah. And of course the UN is a criminal organization so I don't like quoting them The only reason i use that fact is because I like to speak to the gods Of some of the people who believe in their gods Like the UN Is higher up than God for a big group of The world right now So I say okay what are you gonna do about this? and then they're like oh gosh yeah That's something to consider So the reason also I use that quote it's because permaculturalists and farmers are saying same thing

29:52 They're saying our soil has been poisoned, mined and depleted for so long in such unsustainable ridiculously destructive processes that we have to make a change. right and for people who might be a little bit shocked or stressed out by hearing that kind of news how difficult is it to reverse that damage now i'm not talking like monsanto's big mono crop acreage bill gates buying up as much farmland as you can but our own land even if its just a dirt pile, it's not that difficult to reverse that and make it rich isn't.

30:31 It's not at all. Life nature is so much more powerful than these idiots, it just takes the right combination of things if you just let it go and quit poisoning it would be totally healed in a matter of time Some places, of course would take more time than others because there's been so many poison applications for so long. But there is enough left and I'm completely optimistic that we will see the Garden of Eden type scenario everywhere it will help a lot if we do exactly what I am advocating and that is to become producers as well consumers To start using your resources your lawn wisely

31:16 And this is something that needs to be said because a lot of people think, well shoot I've been spraying my lawn or the landscaping company has been spraying poisons on my lawn so now I can't grow food. No no you absolutely can! Those poisons aren't as powerful as nature so they have to be reapplied and reapplied and reapplied once we stop applying them then nature will bounce back relatively quickly Well said and so what would be some of our first steps to revitalizing a dead dirt patch that we might have somewhere on the property if you want speed it up the number one thing you do is just stop placing it and.

31:57 First and foremost, quit applying poison. Secondly you'd want to plant some plants that heal the soil for instance hemp it leaches out heavy metals and even nuclear radioactive soil Nitrogen fixers help replace nitrogen that's been leached out of the soil. Daisies and dandelions, all of these pioneering plants... I mean this whole idea of weeds is a marketing tool to sell us poisons This whole idea of viruses is a marketing tool to sell us poisons Our body is made of viruses like literally there are more viruses in our bodies

32:39 then there are strands of DNA. In fact, our DNA is made up viruses in some cases or in part right? So anything that we've learned we have to first start breaking down and unlearning what we've been programmed to believe So anyway, back to weeds. There are no weeds every plant and every pioneer has a purpose and so it's important the little bit either just let it do its own thing or to kind of understand in design according to the purpose that you want to see come to fruition That's a good point about the weeds i remember growing up my parents would pull dandelions out of the lawn but yet now i see bottled dandelions and like herb stores and stuff so it's like the medicine was right there is that amazing how never get the time i was like seven or eight years old. And i was in the lawn

33:35 and there was a nice pop up and i would grab the one that i said how beautiful it was. And camera with my dad said all their bad, add my mom and dad are awesome people like but they believe that daniel is a bad thing in the whole lot yeah i'm always really interested to learn these just little anecdotes of plant intelligence i'm sure you've got a laundry list of but can you give the people a few more examples of plants intelligence that blue your mind throughout learning all this. The main thing is mimicking natural systems so for instance spider,

34:17 A lot of people, if they see a spider web they take it down. If we have a spider web near our front door... We love that! That's our mosquito catcher. That's a permaculture solution to a really fricking annoying problem Possums, we have possum boxes at our community golf landing. Possums are nature's number one wood tick killer killing tens of thousands and eating wood ticks per year so people love to kill or to push these animals away from us. We need to invite them in to the system A lot of people say, I'm scared of the bees or I'm scared of the snakes or rats. Or a food forest is going to bring in rats? That's just the silliest thing I've ever heard! A food forest will bring in balance of everything. In fact, in our backyard we got a compost pile here and we started throwing compost maybe a year and half ago and we're living kind of a rental suburban HOA type thing. We're not supposed to have a compost pile but anyway...

35:19 We started doing that. About three months later, we had a hawk that now made a home and every day the hawk takes a look at our compost pile and one day I saw the hawk carrying a big...I think it was a rat! I'd never actually seen a rat in there but obviously they're there and they're everywhere but now we have a hawk so when we took out some of the apex predators The wolves and the bears and these different predators in our ecosystem, we create a massive unbalance. We have to then become the apex predator or like happened at Yellowstone the elk and the bison were eating all of the vegetation so when they released packs of wolves into Yellowstone it literally changed the course of the rivers

36:10 Wow. Yeah, it's just I think the same about our own bodies like how can i trust system like the cdc that wants to inject us when they don't even understand that consciousness is a thing they look at the body holistically just like you can introduce. Walls without unintended consequences it's a big giant ecosystem our bodies the same way and its like on a fundamental level without that holistic approach, i would say do not metal Exactly. Oh my gosh, the story upon story I lived in Maui for four years and they had a major rat problem so they released

36:52 Mongooses. Well, mongooses are diurnal and rats are nocturnal so now you've got just mongoose all over the place eating out of trash cans and rats! The idiocracy of people... Now lately Bill Gates has released biogeomode mosquitoes into Florida. i mean there's some wicked shit going on there i don't know exactly what that is but there's some sinister intense behind that yes i agree and time might tell unfortunately but yeah we gotta live our lives regardless and focus on what we can do and you have talked about.

37:33 Some pretty bold things like getting our food forest under control could actually nationwide reverse cancer trends, reverse diabetes trends and make a lot of inroads into the profits of big pharma because our stuff that we need for proper health is right in our own backyard. Exactly! We have to take control over minds, energy, vibration, bodies or guts and we can do that so easily So people spend an average of, let's say if you're think you're a healthy person how many minutes a day do you spend working out or doing yoga? Or any of those things. Would you say half and hour every other day would be normal? Yeah for people who are good about it for sure! If you spent that same half-an-hour doing meditation and yoga while gardening You'd have all the food you need

38:31 Mm-hmm. And that makes you, that's the ultimate stack of functions when you can take the same benefits and you can add another benefit and now you've got all the food which is also all the health which is also saving money and saving the planet in gaining freedom Wow, you make it seem like we had this miracle cure right there at our fingertips and we just thought it was too simple. Too boring to really get into but it could help us economically financially It can help us our health. It's really just a no-brainer! It's a no brainer and that's the program I don't tend to talk about this lot but it's just so much fun to think about this idea of The Garden of Eden

39:15 I'm not a religious person, but there was a split there. And that is a metaphor for when the contrast came in and started creating these alternative death symptoms or death structures because without this at the same time as this is definitely a path to death if we continue on it of the whole system. At the same time, without this contrast would people be asking new questions? Yeah and you know the Garden of Eden or this concept we have of a golden age what does it look like in your mind? It doesn't look like New York City! No...it doesn't To me it just feels like I've lived in these food forests and stuff in Costa Rica here

40:08 it's the garden of Eden it's like you look around and you can walk twenty feet any direction and get a handful of food yeah, it's amazing. Can elaborate on what those eco villages in costa rica looked like because its more than just a food forest right me your helping with the water collection and the energy production right Yes, so I'll talk about Galt's Landing. So John Galt from Atlas Shrugged who is John Galt he was a primary character in that book about freedom and self-reliance so we're creating community on 52 acres

40:48 It's got a private lake, we've got the only dock on the lake and 10 home sites. And the community is... We planted our first starter food forest and it's right in the middle of kind of a woodsy area. It's at the end of a road there's deer and bear and all these animals everywhere. And it's thriving! We haven't touched it in 12 months. We have done nothing, no maintenance and it's thriving and there are lemons and cherries and blueberries and I mean 55 different plants in this little area so its all about scale from that one area we can seed the next area and the next area and the next area now that will take time so were just going to buy a bunch more fruit trees stick them in and save that extra 20 or 30 years

41:35 But being in a food forest, the butterflies, the birds, the life. It's a vibration experience when you stop your mind and just take a few breaths and you feel this balance, this connection to what we're supposed to be connected to. The disconnect, the program that we have experienced since then is the disconnect. But now, we're in the apocalypse which means lifting the veil. The age of enlightenment, the age of Aquarius like it's written in the freaking stars and all the religious texts that there will be a time when we have to make some choices and the choice is whether we continue down the programming road

42:22 Or we have faith and courage, and those are clues. Faith has always been a clue. Have faith, have faith. Okay what the hell does that mean? Well it means quit having fear. Like start focusing forward on what you can do take action little by little the right direction with faith And that's how we heal ourselves in our world Yeah You gotta trust that the good will win out If you have that trust you focus less on the immediate panic and fear Absolutely Mm-hmm. Yes, and God's Landing I have seen the concept art for this It just looks like a permaculture paradise neighborhood and it's in Central Florida right? Yes central Florida is about 35 minutes from Orlando International Yeah, I can't wait to live there I'm gonna use my home there which will be completely off grid every homesteads designed with a complete food force its own well And it's on energy center

43:20 I can't wait to be there and use that as my stage to show the world that off-grid doesn't mean some cabin in the woods. It doesn't mean gardening all day long, it's just completely the next logical step." Yeah yeah it really reminds me of a a previous attempt from jacques fresco to try to show what he was doing the venus project is a little more on the tech side but, he was trying to set up something in florida before you died that would be an example people could come and tour to see the efficiency and living with their nature rather than dominating it clearing out. Add its awesome that your doing that because once people

44:05 see the template it could spread it could spread like crazy yeah it will absolutely spread because there's no reason not to do it other than program bs belief systems bad science and bullshit benefits of this type of life stack every level is a better life. And Maybe we said a few things about what can you say about the maintenance time that it takes not only is that time good for us like we mentioned but people have this impression that its another full-time job. The way you design these things they kinda take care of themselves outside of once or twice a year pruning session on the trees is that right,

44:54 Yeah, so I'll give you an example. The archaeologists who have studied the Amazon rainforest have been studying this for decades and what they have recently come to learn is that the Amazon rainforest was a designed food forest 5,000 years ago. Yes! And how much maintenance does it take? None So, the pruning will help create a better yield of fruit because when you take that energy and you put it into fruit production instead of new branches then you get a better yield. You also get new frui trees if you do it right like grafting air layering stuff so

45:34 I want to talk too about the difference between perennials and annuals. Perennial are plants that you plant, and they're going to live for two or more years. Most of them last for generations. In fact there's an olive tree on the Greek Isle of Crete that was planted over 2,000 year ago and is still producing olives today. No maintenance. In fact, they've got a fence around it leave it alone So if you want to have where you like gardening Then you're gonna want to have some annuals right because annuals cucumbers and tomatoes and squash and peppers and all these You're gonna want to be out there maybe a couple times a week playing with the plants and stuff And you can turn that into a meditative session in fact They found that gardening as is healthy for your body as yoga meditation

46:25 So you can stack that function. Perennials are the food forests that we love to design, although we do also design annuals into the systems but the primary focus is on perennial food forests that you could leave for 30 years and come back and you've just got a food forest. Right right I've heard you say that if someone is kind of in a desperate situation or really wants to hit the ground running Perennials are for quick food production and annuals are for long-term food production. Is that right? So, annuals are plants that will harvest in 45 to 90 days

47:05 Perennials are fruit trees and berry bushes. Oh, gotcha! So like the reverse of what I just said? Yeah All of the systems we design, we advocate for using them... so a little bit about the design itself We start by building the base which is oftentimes but not always it's often sheet mulching where you have a base of cardboard And then on top of the cardboard you put some soil, on top of the soil you put a layer of mulch which could be wood chips or just any plants mulched up. Because that simulates a natural system. You don't see exposed dirt if you go into the jungle or into any forest, you see leaves and sticks and you see things on the ground

47:47 So, for the first couple of years your food forest canopy will be an immature food forest. So sun will be hitting the ground That's when you want to plant the annuals in there so you can maximize your yield starting 60-90 days, you're already going to be getting yield from your food forest. Then within 3-4 years the canopy of the fruit trees is going to take up all the sun and in that case you're gonna want to move the annuals to a different location. So I've also heard you say, since we're on this topic that the first mistake a lot of Americans make is not having good soil amendment and not enough attention paid to good mulch. What are the components of good soil amendment? Well it depends on so many different factors like location. You know where i was at in Costa Rica...the ants

48:45 There was a fungal web that was how decomposition primarily worked. Here in Florida, it's more of a bacterial system so worms are going to be most places worm castings are nature's by far best fertilizer And biochar, if you can do inoculated biochar which is basically just biochar that has worm castings mixed into it. Now you've got the best of both worlds so that would be a good starter A good black soil rich black soil if you find worms in it You've gotta win

49:26 nice clue to look for and another thing in terms of people trying to figure out what they can grow and wanting to do this really efficiently because there are so many things but you say a lot of them work symbiotically we have so many choices it could be difficult we might have analysis paralysis are there certain categories that we could stick to just help make it easier to choose correctly with so many options. Well, yes. I mean the main category for me like I just referred to is no places but that does bring up a thought here now that we're getting towards the two hour mark i want to share if you're okay with it the opportunity that is before all of us to be part of this change so

50:15 The problem is the food supply chain. I don't know if you've heard of the Ice Age Farmer, love that guy? Oh yeah he's been here before previous guest oh yeah awesome i would love to talk to him i've been so busy i haven't talked to him personally yet but i would sure love to because Because he is exposed very clearly what's going on with the intentional destruction of the food supply chain. So if the problem is the lack of a food supply chain, then the solution is opposite that. The solution is to build our own food supply chain and landscaping is always been a profitable endeavor but when we're actually stacking functions in turning landscaping into food forest landscaping instead of just ornamental landscaping now we got a standard business model that is beneficial on every level it's profitable help save the customer

51:09 It turns the liability of their yard into an asset and it helps save cancer, diabetes and heart disease. If you just look at that one factor, the odds of having heart disease, diabetes or cancer when you have a food forest in your backyard and eat healthy meals once a day are going to go down radically So if that were the only reason, would that not be a good enough reason for most people when 70-80% of people die of those three things? Boom! Absolutely. So become a producer and what we like to promote is if you want to be in the business of helping people grow food, then get all of us because that's what we do. We're in that business. We've created the foundation. We have a permaculture design team who helps designed food for us and we have installation manager

52:00 We have all the components to make it easy for somebody to plug into this business and this scale of old businesses how we create our freedom from tyranny on. All those love yes i was gonna bring that up as were wrapping this up by always like the last section to be really more about the practical aspects of the gas work and how they can be supported in a how we can take it forward and yeah it seems like Maybe listeners were so jazzed up that they're thinking you know what screw my corporate job where i'm doing harm i want to transition to something else like. It kinda seems like your hiring designers across the country are hiring people to implement some of the blueprints that you're giving people nationwide like there does seem to be opportunities for people too, transition their jobs even within what you're doing is that we're saying

52:59 Not just opportunities, the opportunity of a lifetime. If you for real if you want to have your own business and you are inspired by what we're talking about today then definitely get ahold of us because like give me an example Mario and Lisa up in the Carolinas They've been at this now about 35, 45 days or so and they're getting job after job after job because our network is expanding so fast that we're looking for people to help supply the on-the ground installation part of the business.

53:34 So we created the foundation of that, the structure which includes the shirts and brands and content. We've got an amazing social media marketing campaign and leader goes there here and she's helping with that piece of puzzle. We've got support team managers and leaders so in essence somebody is getting a full team of partners and we do split it back to a lot like franchise except for I hate the bullshit. I actually spent a quarter million dollars getting prepared for a launch of this type of business, although I refined it and made it simpler and simpler and simpler. And our job is to support the people that are on the ground helping people grow food in every way."

54:22 And it's going well, as a result of just the last 3540 days. We're gonna be in 40 states and 10 countries by summer by June July. It's gone viral and then every one of those people wants their neighbors see what they're doing. They're gonna tell their friends and they're gonna tell their friends and The people the awake people thanks to Dell and his group and his team and his network and everything else we're doing yourself, Greg. I'm very honored to be here and appreciate the work you're doing." Yes yes and i heard you say you got a very big response from Dell's show and i would say challenge accepted because we have a pretty large and responsive audience as well and i would like to see uh you feel that impact And just before we go...I had a couple more questions about Galt's landing.

55:16 When this is going to be done, when people are going to start purchasing these properties and moving in? I mean how close is this to implementation versus design phase. So the first house will be done about two months and the first dock is in, the first food forest's in, the first well's in so we're gonna have a demonstration site literally by end of summer at the latest will be on-site and proving the model Wow and i understand there's only really ten housing units in the neighborhood maybe it'll be more last night sorry eight lots left cheese. And the house is already built or the people build their own houses and the food for us just goes around my partner brian as a developer i'm not nine and i can put the food for sustainability piece

56:09 The food forest will go around the house, but everybody's going to have ownership of their own one plus acre homestead. And then the common areas are all going to be food forests as well." But anybody can do it basically what they want with their own piece of the puzzle Wow amazing amazing I never saw myself moving from San Diego to Central, Florida But I am tempted that just sounds so great and okay So if people are jazzed up they could also what get a blueprint from you take the course What other offerings should they know about before we call it in? Yeah. So we love our

56:46 helping people design food forests and install. But we do the design in such a way where if they want to DIY it, we will help them through that process. They'll be able to save the margin that we make as a corporation and we love it! In fact, we will even encourage those people to join our network and become demonstrators in their areas to inspire more people because you don't want to be the only person in the years to come that has food. That is true. That is true, man. Well Jim this has just been amazing I think your passion is pretty contagious and if we want these systems that don't serve us to go away or see them decline We have to build the better systems that will take us forward and I appreciate that you're paving the way Thanks for taking the time keep fighting the good fight

57:37 Greg, man it's been a pleasure. First two hour podcast and I'm just...I love it! And I appreciate everything you're doing thank you Thank you. I know it's a marathon session so let you get on with your day but cheers man have a good one Cheers you too buddy Ciao All hail the great Jim Gale swinging back into the solution side of things with a guest who is not shy about peppering in a little shade thrown at the capstone cabal And that's a recipe for a great THC I would say. And this was another episode where once we got off the air, i asked about a coupon code or any sort of deal he might want to give to the listeners and we do have a little something! Jim said that for anyone who does order a food forest installation on their property, He will give them a free fruit tree if they mention this interview

58:32 So that's pretty cool. If you are fortunate enough to have a little space, I think this would be an awesome use of it! Obviously extra space is hard to come by in California but i have friends who own houses back home in Missouri and Colorado and Texas... And I think they all have a little corner of the yard that could be turned into a food factory as I mentioned earlier same with parents' houses I've got friends who recently went back home to see their aging parents and spent most of the time cutting the grass, cleaning up old wood piles and stuff like that. So there are more opportunities than one might think! Plus i love how Jim puts things in economic terms even the indoor microgreens

59:20 This is how much it costs, this is how much you can yield and this is how much you can sell them for. It just all works to really break the scarcity spell so there's a lot that could be done and rarely does a THC show up that has such a wide range of follow-up possibilities You could just get a design from Jim, which is great in and of itself. Maybe you have some space and you just want to make sure it's optimized for this kind of thing? Well... ...you can purchase the design plan with their expertise and then do the work yourself or you can take the easy road and have them do the full install and get yourself a free fruit tree to boot!

1:00:00 Or you could write Jim and see if you can actually get involved in being what sounds a lot like a franchisee or satellite employee that helps their company spread around the country. If you're really going to go all-in on this, buy a house in the permaculture paradise he's setting up in Florida! What a serious range of options and opportunities but tell him you come by way of THC anyway maybe he'll throw ya extra bone I'm inspired by what Jim is doing and really wanted to help him spread the word. I was a bit nervous about truly filling up The 2 Hour Show with such a specific niche topic, but we did it! And it's important enough that...I just wanted to do it anyway It's just such a good point that every square foot of lawn or wasted space that we can inspire people to turn into a food forest or edible landscape has such a range of stacked benefits

1:00:59 Better homesteading skills for people who engage with it. Better use of space, an erosion of our system dependence, and erosion of corporate GMO crop producers market share better health through healthier diet and in turn erosion of big pharma's profits this sounds like a big part of how we win complex problems with really simple solutions as Jim pointed out But I know Jim would love to hear from you guys and helping to widen this network is a beautiful thing. I know our sound quality wasn't the best, again! And i think i just need to be a bit more proactive in communicating beforehand what i need to make sure that we have the best sound quality. Historically, I've just assumed and left it up to chance but lately that has not working all that well... I think this last year has really conditioned people to think in terms of Zoom

1:01:55 to just open up the laptop, no headphones needed and go for it. But that is not the best protocol in my case and I'm going to communicate what i need a bit better going forward so don't think I haven't noticed but a huge thanks to our editor Justin who took two passes on this one to make it as good as he could! I've already talked to Randall Carlson about an optimum setup for the one we're recording tomorrow so we should be good there And that's what I'm gonna go get ready for now, so i hope you enjoyed what you heard and all the offerings on the THC table for June. Food forests, automatic writing with Michael Sandler, orgasmic birth and vaccine concerns with Dr Northrup, angelic sailors with Pierre Sebec, and sub-personalities in entity attachment with Dr Tom Zinzer! As wild and diverse as ever if you like those shows and only heard The First Hour you're missing a lot

1:02:50 You already seem to like the show, why not hop into THC Plus for $8 a month and just try me out? It keeps me charged up and keeps the passion going plus you get more show. In today's second hour we talked about The 7 Layers of A Food Forest, Food Fences, 12 Growable Antiviral Herbs, Backwards American Culture More examples of The Magic & Intelligence Of Plants And Trees Available Space & Yield Calculations Duck deficiencies, the miraculous moringa tree probably my favorite part and fun little stuff like improving your sex life with plants. Preying on insecurities getting people to sign up in the way that works best

1:03:37 But really we tip waiters eight bucks for bringing us a sandwich and a beer. Maybe you wouldn't mind tipping me for this service and getting twice as much of it at the same time? TheHiresideChats.com or click the top link in the show notes July also looks really action-packed and diverse, so come on in the water's fine. But thanks for listening! Food forest abundance for all I've done my part Your move death promoters self sufficiency eroders and agents of the suburban lawn mine virus You're fucking Sometimes when i get down i eat a bunch of corporate junk Stuff that makes you fat yeah it's all making industry

1:04:46 I have to face it wrong Got an addiction to the digital technology When then, i try to quit and leave but its too hard See discipline is no fun I deny all discipline Don't have to be a big conspiracy And every one of them