Jim Chesnar | The Bock Saga Returns, Hidden Helsinki Artifacts, & Ior Himself

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01:51 All right, Hiresite Chatters. I know i don't have to tell you about our harsh and bloody history the centuries-old war on ideas the system has waged as it steamrolled culture after culture tradition after tradition and we see campaigns like the various crusades european expansion the holy roman empire the american colonialists and the conquistadors conquest of mexico and peru as some of the major steps towards our modern monotheistic mono-culture, and the root cause for the destruction of so many indigenous pagan celtic native american gnostic worldviews cosmologies and magical traditions. And most of these deep and rich systems have a lot more depth than meaning then their destroyers would have you believe much of which is still fractured and incomplete and some sadly beyond repair

02:46 So I for one perk up when I hear about an oral tradition that has managed to stay intact after hiding itself away from those who would destroy it, and that seems to be the case with the body of knowledge known as The Bach Saga. It is a cosmology, a language, a mythology, and history all wrapped into one—a corpus of concealed information that claims to be oldest on the planet and the true origin from which Scandinavian and Finnish cultures emerged. The Bach saga was a multi-generational secret told orally through the Bach family bloodline until the last remaining member of the family, Eeyore Bach knew he wouldn't have anyone to pass the saga on and began teaching it to a trusted handful of friends with whom it resonated and in turn they became its teachers and advocates. Eeyore died in 2010 after being stabbed by his own assistants and one of the last remaining knowledgeable tellers of this material is today's returning guest Jim Chesner

03:42 Jim is an elder leader of the Order of the Gnostics and a passionate advocate for the Box Saga, who in his previous appearance on THC broke down the cosmology, root language, and story of Hellhole in Helsinki that is Earth's original North Pole and entrance to Hollow Earth from which man first emerged. Today he returns to talk about a few more threads that this material has to offer, and I'm psyched to get down to it. The preserver of lost knowledge and the bona fide bard-of-the-box saga, Jim! Welcome back to The Higher Side. Thank you so much Gregg. I really appreciate all this

04:19 You got it man, I think this is gonna be a lot of fun. I do find this information to be really compelling It's deep and internally consistent And anything that the powers-that-be tried to kill off...I wanna help bring back out of spite more than anything else And this material incorporates the hollow earth, so that's just icing on the cosmological cake if you ask me. And this is gonna be a part two that probably requires a listen to part one for people have all the context because we can't rehash it all here but I've gotten a few emails from people over the years... Two year since we did the last show

04:55 who really love the story and have actually made the trip to Helsinki to visit the entrance of The Buried Temple, which houses the Bach family treasures and artifacts preserved they say since the beginning a time leading deep into the earth via that golden staircase. And that's sort of what set off this part two we're having today Of course, to my knowledge, The Temple has still yet to be excavated but it's been 2 years are there any updates on getting in there? Yes, not last summer but the summer before last. They went and they cleared all the trees and stuff that have grown around the entrance so it's all ready to start and we do have a financial backer again after so many years of no active involvement there but now I think this next summer they're going to go back in and it should start excavation again

05:45 Beautiful, beautiful. And just to provide a little more context the temple was closed in 987 AD due to the invading Christian armies and wanting to preserve it before they got there It was then that permission was given to the last remaining Bach to reopen the temple a thousand years later, which was 1987. Well you know that hasn't happened yet though you've tried and I pulled this off the Bach Saga website but regarding the excavation it says in 1991 the foundation's last sponsor stopped supporting the project Later that same year, a geophysical analysis of the location was conducted using a subsurface radar system. 25 meters below the ground at a coordinate designated by Eorbach, the radar system picked up a dome-shaped hollow space with a roof potentially made of metal A picture of the ground conducted at the excavation site indicated that there were only a few meters of excavation needed for an actual breakthrough to be achieved

06:46 As of the time of this writing, February 2002. This breakthrough has not yet been achieved and so obviously that's been some time and it is great that you now have a financial backer and the brush is cleared and it sounds like something about to get going there but it does not seem like its even that big of a job And you could probably get this done on GoFundMe for relatively cheap But I was curious about those radar images. Are those available online anywhere? Because if those images are real and you were to get them out there, this whole thing would just get a lot more attention and support. Are they out there? You know Greg, I haven't really seen it. I was there when they did the test and i have seen the results. I've seen the dome but

07:33 that it's posted at all. Maybe I'll do something about that, see if i can find someone who has that material." Yeah, I mean it seems fairly useful and is there a timeline? I guess we're ready to start digging again but have they got any dates set for unearthing this thing? Our friend Eric Edney there in San Diego, he's helping to do this. He's financing much of this. This last summer we just couldn't do anything but yeah I mean we're ready to go. There is a huge stone on the right hand side. There are two hills there. The hill on the left is a granite hill it's called Seaboo Barriot. Sea means the sea, boo means nest and barry means a hill so you see the nest hill and then on the other side there's a huge

08:23 huge granite stone that's balanced on three other stones. And it's on the side of a hill called Goomboo Barrier, which goomb is old woman, boo is the nest and buried his hill. This is all in root language that I'm speaking. So there are these two hills and one side is this monster stone. It's called the Sundial Stone. And so we want to clean out from underneath that and show that its balance on three stones right on the edge of this hill That's what our next objective is. I look for things on the edges to try and make these sorts of judgment calls. And here are a few things that made me more curious, we all know Wikipedia just sticks to the mainstream and tries to minimize the alternative but even on the Bach Sagas Wikipedia page it says A number of digs in the cave were made on various occasions from 1987-1998 after two summers of excavation An entrance into the mountain was actually revealed

09:33 The following years a hallway of granite, walls floor and ceiling filled with clay mixed sand and gravel was excavated about 50 meters beyond the entrance. The statement made by the family and saga of the subterranean hallway was actually proven to exist moreover the excavated area has also proven to be by far the largest cave ever found in Finland. Inside there are straight walls with a ceiling and floor consisting of granite." So, I mean that's a lot of confirmation and I start to wonder how could Eeyore have known such a big discovery was there any other way? It seems like that is a little bit of context that helps to verify this story

10:19 Yeah, I mean his family you know they went through a lot of effort to pass this information down and they gave pretty well detail about it. You know their family closed it up 1034 years ago They explained what was inside who was responsible for building that who was responsible for filling enough with all this beautiful artwork and the purpose in the temple and The temple itself is very small It's only for two people but the storehouse underneath it is what we would call the hollow earth, that huge cavern that's at the North Pole. I mean this is a piece of art and they cut away the walls, they plated it all with gold, a golden pathway that goes down in one spiral thousands of kilometers. This temple is millions of years old and not built you know in a few years over many generations as a family

11:14 Right and last time i talk to you we can't jump right into the cosmology and the structure of the universe how this all came to be, and that is great but we didn't really talk about. You are much at all and i've learned a little bit and i wanted to make this point because your box was attacked several times during his life after he started spreading the story in nineteen ninety nine An attack in his home left him a quadriplegic, and 10 years later he was actually killed. Just to use Wikipedia again it says In October 2010 Eor Bok was stabbed to death in his apartment in Helsinki Police arrested two male suspects of Indian origin who had shared his apartment and had worked as his personal assistants According to the police a quarrel had preceded the act of homicide

12:06 The police reported that the younger suspect was set free and no longer considered a suspect. On September 7, 2011 the Finnish police deported the other suspect. A court found the man criminally unaccountable." We have Eeyore, a man who was attacked multiple times after he started to speak out about this and two assistants ended up stabbing this quadriplegic man who is almost 70. And then they were released I mean that's a bit fishy you know that is pretty fishy then consider that you and your team were busted with hash during one of the excavations and you ended up going to prison if you read between these lines

12:46 It looks like someone wanted any reason they could to shut this excavation down, gave you a pretty harsh punishment for hash. Meanwhile Eeyore is actually killed and no one faces any real punishment This all sounds like containment to me it definitely doesn't smell right You're absolutely right 100% Greg it's really not right the first boy was a Finnish boy who stabbed him in 1999 Work is why i'm doing apartment stadium in the chest three times and he died and they brought him back. And yes it was a pair of alleged but we spent years in india after that his mind was completely clear you can still smoke the pipe because still drink is the just gonna walk anymore, and they put this guy in some nut house for six months or something may let me go

13:35 And then the second attack in 2010 is two Indian boys from where we stay at. We have a place in India, a place called Goa, a little village called Shapora that's where the saga came out and that's where the group of us that listened to the saga would go back and forth between Helsinki and Goa. These two boys were taking care for Eeyore. One of them was incredible beautiful man he really is, Abib I think The other boy that killed Eeyore, they just let him go. Finland—I don't know why if you and I went to Finland and we hurt any Finnish person we'd be in jail. They're very strict there about that kind of stuff. And yet the two attacks on Eeyore, Finland turned their face, let both of them go like no penalty at all. I think Finland just

14:31 doesn't want Eeyore's story to go out. They've been giving us negative press and negative this since 1987, since we started digging the temple there and it is a very fishy story I don't know how Penland can do this but you know Eeyore himself he was amazing on the first attack He didn't want anything that happened to the boy that nearly killed him He hoped he got better And if you could back into society Eeyore wasn't one of these people who held grudges. I mean, if somebody attacked me like that, you know whatever i can do i'm going to get them back but he didn't have that kind of a part about him He understood all this was going to happen You know when you come out with such a story and such information you're gonna have repercussions from the powers that be and that's All these years I watched the Spanish government just try to put him on the back burner

15:31 Absolutely i mean that's kinda what i'm thinking is if this is just some crazy cook with wild stories you expect him to just drift off into oblivion and die an old man, but for a quadriplegic in his seventies to be killed and then that person not held accountable and just ushered out of the country. That's very fishy and again like i mentioned When you are doing an excavation they came through and found some hash in locked you guys up and it's like today lock u up because they found ash or because they don't want this excavated it's a very curious thing these situations have happened before so its unfortunate that we can, trust the official story because there is always a subtext and these things are all pushing the needle. Into the realm of credibility as far as i'm concerned then something

16:24 I also heard you mention on another show but we didn't talk about it was something about a museum being built by the russians over the location. Well i don't know what the deal is with that but im confident that governments use this sort of tactic to cover things up when they can, is this the case here as well do you think that a cover-up has anything to do with this museum thats apparently been build? Well, the museum is actually built by the Russians in the end of the 19th century. It's on the island where the North Pole is there is an exact location where there is one hole and a very top of the pole and it's called the holy. The whole E as the actual or the planet we call it I in English but it's a poll with a dot above it so that represents the axis of the planet. The poll and little dot above the pole is the north star

17:20 So, in the very top of the axis of the planet it comes to one island about three kilometers in front of Helsinki called Susi, sorry. Before called Uden's Ö, the Island of Uden and on the middle this island is this exact North Pole and Russians built a museum right on top what we call Valhalla This hole is called Valhalla in mythology Is a real physical place is still there today and straight about that is around room where are stand in one of my videos. And I say this is the meridian line divides the east from the west so i can put one foot on the eastern one but into the western, that line go straight from that hole down to poland it divides create an app and goes back around to hawaii on the side and back to helsinki and thats the original zero line

18:16 They moved the Zero Line over to Greenwich in the 18th century, or 19th century excuse me. And it was a conscious effort that they did that partly of what the Crimean War is about when they blew this castle up in front of Helsinki was to move this so actually the whole planet at one hour off and time if you really want to be correct. Well, I don't doubt that many things have been moved and obscured to hide truth. And like we said last time this cultural memory or this subconscious memory of a holy land This was what we're talking about is this hole in Helsinki and obviously the religious authorities destroyed all that and move the Holy Land to Israel

19:08 But the whole idea of hell being a negative place that is underground you don't wanna go i mean this is the same way they removed magic from culture said it's bad its evil don't go there it seems to have a similar residue to it and i guess i'm also curious what is the name of that museum where do you suspect is under that foundation. I think it's called the Erensford. Erensford, he was the one that was responsible for building this what they call Sveaborg, the castle of Sweden in Finnish they call it Suomalina or the Castle of Finland there was one castle built there in 1750 when they started to build a fortification because Sweden and Russia were at battle with each other and Russians would come over via

19:58 Finland in these small, in these rowing boats and they would attack Stockholm. And so they built this castle and they had shipbuilding and everything in this castle on the seven islands. Hell has seven hills and seven islands in front of hell. So they built this castle called Svalbard so that it could help stop these attacks from Russia to Sweden. Then in 1855, the Crimean War the English and the French came up, and they blew this island. And they blew everything in pieces because this was the old zero line. They didn't want anyone to know that hell is a zero line from before. So it's a very big conspiracy. No one knows about this except for the Bach family. Of course whoever hears this but it was completely put underneath everything. But Greenwich is not the zero line

20:55 Yeah it's like that. Well I know so many things have been altered, calendars have been altered language holidays it all hides the truth underneath and over here you know I've done shows talking about national parks that the government will place a national park Around something that kind of wants to preserve yet keep secret we hear about people going missing in these parts we hear about energy nodes. These kinda things that were important to native americans now they're roped off and people are charged admission to go on the pre approved paths but off those pads no one really knows what's out there except probably a few people behind the scenes ladies i'm being good as people really know

21:39 But they're afraid to say anything because if you say anything today, anything can happen to your family. Anything can happen to anything so everybody...you know there's a lot of information that is being kept in different sources it just can't come out because the people are afraid to do it Absolutely and one more thing to add credibility to this oral tradition last time you would mention that this temple is not the only site that houses hidden treasures and artifacts related to the box saga, according to what i read from another impartial source.

22:15 Kaajani Castle is one of these places and they go on to say, according to Bach a castle was situated in the place already in the 13th century when the royal treasure of the kings of Finland including a golden buck statue was hidden in a well in the courtyard of the castle. Some excitement arose when ground penetrating radar again suggested that a sizable metal object was located at four meters depth of the courtyard, of the fort. According to the state archeologist, the item was probably just an old cannon that could have fallen into the well during the destruction of the fort in 1716 during an archaeological excavation made later in 2006

22:58 It was noticed that an electrical ground cable had been dug in the courtyard at 40 meters depth. According to the project manager of the National Board of Antiquities, it was most probably the object noticed in the ground-penetrating radar investigations." Again there you have it or saying hey there is something here they find it with radar and then official government archaeologist without even seeing that say oh its probably nothing's probably just a can and that fell in the well or an electrical wire, and then later no it's just like.

23:35 No one seems to go actually get that thing it just seems very much like the sort of excuses they give, cover up and dismiss many things that don't fit the narrative is just another notch in the belt credibility i would say. Yeah it's crazy you know if you goto the name a little castle called kayaani yeah kayaani its about five hundred kilometers north of hell It's where the Bach family were part of the Bach family went into exile when hell was destroyed in 1050 by the Catholic Church. Part of the family went up in the very north and a place called Corva, way up in the north of Finland and then other part of the family went over to this little castle that's where they sat for 200 well from 1050-1215 and then came back down to South Finland but

24:23 Yes, you know another thing too in one of my videos we go to a place called Sussiluola and Finnish language in English it comes to wolf cave. Anyone can google Wolf Cave Finland and there in 1995 they made an excavation on the actually the largest cave in Finland and they found many floors that went down and down and down and these are geologists archaeologists from all over the planet that came just finished And their findings, they found tools. They found fire building. They found mastodon bones that these people had been eating. They found seal bones that they'd been eating and this place is about I don't know 50 or 60 miles from the coast so they had gone to the coast and brought these seals over to cook. In this earliest floor that they went down to is around 450 thousand years in the upper floors about 130 thousand years So there were people living on this mainland

25:24 half a million years ago that archaeologists and geologists dated this excavation. And the Bak Saga came out many years before this excavation, and Eeyore was already talking about these people who were living in Finland half a million years ago. This is the story about where the white people come from – the blue eyes, the light hair, the white skin... It's pretty obvious that this white race of people would come from way up in the north somewhere but no one has a story about it anymore Right and it does just seem like the remnants and fingerprints of the people are all over the finland area i know you're probably a little anxious to relay more information from the saga itself but I just wanted to get some of those details out there. And also ask if maybe there are other sites like the couple we've mentioned that might also contain treasures or artifacts that could verify this story how many sites my therapy

26:23 Well, there's another place that I actually didn't put in the video. It's called the Oferlundin and offer means to offer something and lunden means a grove of trees so it was an old outside offering place where we had an offering system before and it's near one castle called Rasapuri about 80 kilometers to the west of Hel. There they buried the throne of the king of Finland They buried three crystal balls, one was from the Paradise Time before Ice Time. One was one that they used under the ice in this astrology system and the other crystal ball is for the future so we have these three periods of time in this story We have what we call the Paradis or the Paradise Time before the tilt to the planet when the whole ball was tropical

27:20 And then we have the ice times or the alt-lanteast times when all the lands were ice. Then, we have a future story also about it says that this axle is getting ready to flip back up that we're going to go straight back where Helsinki will be at the very North Pole again. That's why this ice and global warming are happening because we have to melt this ice off before the planet can flip back and that's all part of this future thing." Right i think that's a really fascinating part of the saga is atlantis. Is apparently derived from all land ice and you say or the saga says it was a place and a time period it wasn't age the ice age,

28:07 I think that's really interesting because if how sinki used to be the original north pole and now we have the earth still and this is all related to the ice i guess the weight. Of that i sent it smelting off now right during the time period in which the saga says the ice will melt, add the planet will self correct and will re enter the global paradise time of tropical lush weather. Is that more or less the case? We have a word, in English we say balance so we lose the association because we say bal but in root language balance is called ball-once and ball is a ball and this earth is one ball it's one atmosphere sphere is a ball atmosphere mousses the moisture spheres around ball and air on the end as the air so the atmosphere air

29:08 So, we have this ball and in the middle of this ball we have one pole. North Pole, South Pole... We can also call it one axle but we can call it one E or I in English but we can also call it one lance and lances is one pole so in the middle of this earth has one lance there's ball on this lance when the planet was sitting straight up-and-down and this Lance was sitting upright instead of tilted over the planet was in balance. We were spinning in harmony with the Moon, but now since it tilted we're out of balance. The lance fell out so we're out of balance to Earth." This story says that this lance and this ball is going to tilt back up here. Eeyore thought it was going to happen his lifetime but it didn't

30:03 This whole thing about global warm, it's all caused by the sun. It's all on purpose because we're getting ready to have the new nude paradise he called it. And right according to this saga of the earth is round but there are no other planets. The stars are not distant suns and there are no other beings were sort of...it seems like in an enclosure of some kind? Well according to this one solar system The Sun is the Sun, it's not a star. Even according to the Greeks they call Mars and Venus and Saturn and Mercury... They called them the wandering stars! They didn't call them the wandering planets so I don't know really when they started calling Mars and Venus planets. I really would love to find out when that actually happened because in the old way of thinking we even call Mars and Venus, we called them the morning and evening star

31:03 You can't be a star and a planet. And nearly every language calls them the morning star, the Venus so I mean it's... you can't be a star and a planet at the same time. According to this there is one sun that shines in all directions stars are made of metal ice and gas they're all millions of them but they reflect the Sun if the Sun didn't shine the Stars wouldn't shine Mars wouldn't shine Venus wouldn't shine Earth would be dead everything in the universe will be black So we put it all to one Sun, is the power to everything that exists. And we call this sun Udun and our Sulan. Everything on this planet every butterfly every design on its wing a thousand different butterflies full of all different kinds of designs and colors they're all consciously made by the Sun The Sun is the intelligent designed

31:57 Without the sun shining, this planet would freeze. It would be dark everything would die there would be no soul and no life know nothing no consciousness so the Sun is conscious you were talking about entities that were not human I would have to say the Sun would have to follow that one because the Sun is not a human but yet it's consciously creating everything living on this planet and it has consciously given light through the Moon, through what we call our planets which are really stars. and every star in the universe wouldn't shine. They're not suns within themselves, that's another really huge thing I mean they have no pictures of the surface of anything in deep space. The closest star is 28 trillion miles and they cannot see all they can really see with their Hubble and the most fantastic telescope they have, they really just see a little light dot

32:55 in a dark background. Just what we see with our eyes, but just a little bit bigger but they see no colors all the colors that NASA puts in these beautiful films they had here on Earth it's all a fake and they have no idea what these stars are they think they're all suns all have universe around them and I mean they just keep multiverses it says universe uni unit uni-cycle uni so I mean you know they just These guys get paid a lot of money, but they have to say something. So they just say it wrong and they're teaching our university children bullshit. That's all I can say." Well obviously I find any alternative model to be really provocative you say according to the saga The Stars Are Made Of Metal Ice And Gas are they floating out in the ether? Are they attached to some type of

33:50 enclosure? Are they just disembodied, what are they can you give us some more details or elaborate on what those little lights in the sky are supposed to be. Well all three of these materials were highly reflectable ice gas and metal so they're all just reflecting the sun I mean during a vacuum there in space that farther away from the Sun you go the colder it gets We do know that life can exist here on this Earth, but if you go the next ball out it's too cold and the next ball in is too hot. So we're really in an ideal situation I offer today...I still offer $5,000 for anyone to bring me a picture of another Sun It doesn't exist they just do not have it. They are just saying that they know But according to this yeah if the sun didn't shine

34:45 There's an old saying, I don't know if we really want to go into this but there is an old poem in English. Very old and it goes like this, Uden is a ring. Uden is everything. Uden has always been and Uden will always be and Uden as the sun. So in the saga we say there was no big bang and there certainly wasn't some invisible guy who made it all in six days who lives up there somewhere For us, we say that the universe has always been and it will always be. It had no beginning, it will have no ending. There never was a time of total darkness there never will be a time with total darkness and this is called eternity No beginning and no end in the time

35:39 And when you look out into the space, into the night and to those beautiful stars. Those stars go forever and ever and ever there's no end to them and that's called eternity. No ending So, the universe in itself is the eternity. It is the infinity. It is all and a source of all is the Sun. If the Sun didn't shine this planet would be dead moon wouldn't shine Mars wouldn't shine the stars wouldn't shine it'd be total black total life. So for us, it's not some kind of just ball of gas up there that we can go find another place to live and all this. No, it's really... This is all on purpose. The human being is not an accident. We're created on this planet. The saga explains how the human came into existence

36:32 We're not coming in on a spaceship or anything else. It's from the light of the sun and they say, well we wouldn't have water we wouldn't have life yeah but if we don't have the sun the water is ice and you can't drink a glass of ice so... And with no light this planet would just freeze and die So I always tell people look I understand that the Sun is the creation of life. I don't believe that! So it's different now some people believe someone made the Sun Now that goes into belief The difference between believing and understanding is proof and evidence. Believing requires no proof and no evidence, but understanding you must have evidence or proof or you cannot understand anything." Right obviously the sun is crucial for life can't argue with that! And you mentioned last time that the sun gave humanity quote special gifts and we didn't really get to talk about what those gifts were are you talking about forms of magic?

37:33 No, if you go to the first man and the first woman because we don't tell the history backwards like they try today. We come from the beginning to now. You know read a book when back to front so we give the history from the beginning So in this saga we explain about how these first two people were born in this North Pole and what we call Valhalla or this hole that's above this empty tavern And its first masculine was called Frey and his sister was called Freya. And Frey was the god, what we call the good in root language. We have an English name called Godfrey, the god Frey. So these two people had come from a combination of a monkey, an ape, and a goat. So we say the missing link to the human...we know were 95% ape but there was something else that was missing. And we say in this story

38:32 There was a one time happening, usually in the nature animals do not crossbreed. But the sun decided to create this new thing called human being and so it was a combination of one ape and one nanny goat, one female goat. And inside these animals they do not have what we call sperm or what we call sperma in the story. They have something called embla which is like sperma but its different, its a different quality But it says that in this English, we call the sound pear the father. So we're all sons and we're all daughters of pear. We're pair sons, per-sons, pair sons and the sound ma means mother. Most languages say mama

39:23 And the word mama comes from the word magma. In English we say magma, so we lose the association with a at but it's M-A-G-M-R And in the middle is the G or the gay. If you pull the G down, you have M-A, M-A. The mama is made of magma. The ground is made of magma and it's our mamas so the sound Ma means the mother. So in this saga, it says that when this first boy was seven years old, his son gave to him a very special gift

40:03 And S in our language, the sound A-S means sulin or son. The sound per means father where sons of per were per sons and ma means the earth or the mother so the sun gave to the first pair and the first ma something called sperma. This is how this linguistics works And so in his balls on his seventh birthday, he got the seed from the sun. And in this seed was 29 sounds, what we call the root language. So before we had the word, we had to have the sounds that make the word. Right? So he was given these 29 sounds which go E-A-B-C-D A-F-K H-O-E-Y-K-L M-N U-P Q R-S T-U V X-T Zeta O-I-U and U

41:06 and these 29 sounds were given to the first man on this planet. He got the Al-Fa bet, al is everything fa is the father and bet means debate your hook so he was the alpha male, he was the alfather So this first Alfa got the Alpha Bet from his son and he and his sister they created what they call the root language, the first language on the planet. So we had language from the very beginning so this language was one gift that the sun gave to the human being that didn't give to the animal. They can't explain a tree and color of the leaf and shape of the leaf in small little vein it goes down they can do that so there's linguistics

41:57 is an incredible gift that the sun gave to the human being, it didn't give to the animals. There were three other things that the sun gave us but the animals didn't get and one was the linguistics second with fire. The animal he didn't get the fire but the first woman on planet Freya was given fire from the Sun via one lightning bolt And the women, they needed this fire because it was tropical. So they didn't need so much for heat but they needed to extract what we call Tay and Tay they took one stone pot that built one fire underneath this stone pot and fill it full of water and they collected leaves from their nature. And inside of the word leaf is the word life. So our life comes from the word leaf.

42:47 And inside these leaves is a property, today we call it teijain. In the root language we call it saav and Finnish language we call it mahalaa and in English we call it sap. So there's our energy that's in the leaf of the tea not to being in the coffee but the leaf with the tea and these women would boil this water. When it became to a boil, they would take one stick out because you never want to boil the life out of the leaf and then they would put these leaves in it and they drank this tea from morning till night. It was petrol for their brain and the man drank the tea also so this fire was important for human beings because we needed to make this tea from beginning. The woman needed especially. The third thing that we got

43:33 The linguistics, the fire was something called matématique. What we call mathematics and matématique has to do with mama, matéma so the women were given the matématiques not the papa. We were given something else So, without mathematics we couldn't have anything that we have today. It's all based on math just about it. Fourth thing that we got was in the nature when an animal cannot fly a bird cannot fly and animals cannot walk and fish cannot swim they fall down as their last day their soul goes back into the earth but to human being

44:12 In the nature time, we could wake up one day and cannot walk anymore but we could get a walking stick. And we can still walk for a little while longer So it's like a nature gift that the animals couldn't have that stick, but the human being we can still have a few more weeks or months with the sticks. Yeah, like tool usage basically? Basically yeah you had a tool there and you had something to give you that leg if you couldn't stand on anymore and today will talk about how he died in these times because that's where this story goes into

44:49 Right we definitely want to relay more material from the saga itself but we are pretty late in the first hour at this point and i would just say. This is pretty damn dense material and instead of just globbing a few more chapters on to what we talked about last time i wanted to give people, the other context of why i think this stuff is interesting why they might care And if they agree, they can go down the full rabbit hole later because it is just way too much for two hours. And for people who haven't gotten that far into The Box Saga I recommend that video where Jim sits down with the root alphabet in a circular ring and you go through this story because its really interesting how the whole deep tradition is preserved in this root alphabet all in order

45:38 It acts as a sort of new monica device and probably a good lesson in how oral traditions can keep their integrity over long period time anyway. And I know that the phonetics is a bit of a gray area. I don't know much about linguistics and it's probably little odd to some people that this root language would work so well phonetically with English when English is, A relatively recent language and we're told that things like Hebrew in Sanskrit are much older Yes we're really talking about an origin tradition and cosmology and mythology for the scandinavian nordic people when i boil it down to that it's a bit easier to swallow. And again just progressing through the saga using the wheel is just impressive and seems weird that someone would make this up arbitrarily and be so committed to it

46:31 Plus you know it's tied into multiple areas with buried artifacts and chambers that do seem pretty credible. It ties into why this guy or Bach would have been attacked multiple times and his killer not held accountable, people can't need to know these things to understand why they might care about the material itself and i don't exactly no what to make of the saga at all time some of it is quite strange But i listen to a lot of origin stories and they can be interesting and contain truth without becoming my new religion but let me throw this at you because you seem like a pretty spiritual guy minimalist living among nature with the healthy meditation practice in all that walk in the path.

47:19 Earlier you mentioned that they did have some sort of offering system and then i asked you about non-human entities or intelligences any kind of new set according to the saga there really aren't any and that's fine as far as the material goes. I know your committed to it but am curious with this offering system who were these offerings made two or with your meditation practice ever encountered something that made you question this position on non-physical intelligences? Or have you had an out of body experience or any of these sorts of things that tend to happen when someone does develop a deep spirituality and live amongst nature. Has anything emerged from that aspect of your life, that might conflict with this aspect of the saga?"

48:12 To go into the offering system, we need to make that another day because that's a very big story and it is kind of taboo actually in many ways. So I would prefer maybe not to go into that offering today. Sure As far as being out of the body, I don't know what can be out of the body. Your imagination can be out your body but your brain is headquartered that's where you love everything is contained in your brain thats your control central. Now this spirit and this saga the spirits in the breath it's in the air so when I take my last exhale as I die as my last breath goes from my body thats my spirit leaving the body

48:54 So the spirit, in root language the spirit is called ande and breath is called andas. And in Finnish language the name for spirit is called hänki and breath is called hänkinos. In Hawaiian even the sound ha means breath and ha means spirit so in many many languages you'll get the association that breath and spirit are the same Now, the soul is much different. It comes from the same thing it comes from the sun but the soul is in the cell of a body every living cell contains soul sun power and that's the soul and the body So when I die my spirit leaves and goes into the air there's a story about that But my soul is still in the body it doesn't leave

49:44 And so, before all people were cremated their ash was put underneath a family tree. That's another story maybe we can go into that one today how we died in these family trees but the soul and the spirit they're two different things you know I can sit here and close my eyes and imagine that i'm sitting up on a limb on the tree looking down at myself now I guess you could call that an out of body I'm looking at myself standing down on the ground underneath the tree and I'm up But there's no really physical part of me that can leave the body, my imagination. So out of the body I don't know what can leave the body? I would debate that with other people but you know i think it's just the imagination that's leaving and it thinks your out there looking back or doing something like that

50:33 Hmm, even in these cases of near-death experience or when people are brought back from the brink of death? Yeah I think these people they you know they're on the edge of death and they black out and their unconscious. And they feel like there outside the body but i don't know that The spirit is going in and out every breath and soul can jump out of the body it's inside the cell to the body It can only be in imagination as far as I'm concerned Well fair enough that's obviously not what we're really here to talk about but i was just curious and maybe were dealing with semantics or it's just an issue of definitions because there are a lot of cases the people being clinically dead but also looking down in the room seeing her hearing real things that happened and relaying those things when they are brought back to life

51:20 And as you said, I mean spirit can be everywhere. We're obviously more than just our bodies we're going to talk about spirit and soul later maybe there's a field there that can contain information that we can extract it's a lot to unpack but let's just get back to the material You mentioned how we died in ancient times tell us about that Today we have hospitals, we have all this miracle medicines surgery chemotherapy stem cell. So we're really, mankind is getting sick and they're having to find new ways to try to make us be well again because the antibiotics aren't working anymore or the vaccines are about those so mankind is very sick you know in the box saga it says in paradise nobody was sick there was no people who died from illness but that's another story. In Eeyore family no one ever died of illness

52:21 They had something called their immune system, which we'll go on another day. But in the nature when a bird cannot fly and fish cannot swim and an animal cannot walk anymore they turn over and they die right there and their soul that's in the cells of their body eventually goes back into the green system of the earth in one system so today that I can't do these things they're finished but to human being one day if we wake up and we can't walk anymore We're talking about a time before hospitals and before all this stuff. So we live according to nature, we felt nature was perfect and we couldn't do any better than what the nature was today. Today we don't think that nature is perfect anymore so we do it our own way

53:05 But I'll take this word, Akka. Akka in our story is the old woman, the highest woman on the planet she's called Akka it's where the word academic, akademi comes from it's where Akashic records come from Akka ash and Akka tree was the Ash Tree It's where all menak, all menaka they call it All Men Akka, all men come from Akka so Akka, the names around his temple are called Akka because it was the old woman's place. Akin Pezoranta is the name for the temple hill that we live on over there where the temple is, so one day Akka she wakes up and she's the highest woman of the Asar, she's the grandmother and she can't stand anymore. So this is one sign that now she's coming close to the end because when you can't walk anymore before we went away from the life we didn't cause a lot of problems for people

54:02 So one day she wakes up and she can't get up, but she gets a stick. And now she can still hobble around the village and she can still get around with his stick. Everybody can see that now grandma, she's on the stick so she doesn't have so much time left in her life. Then one day grandmother Akka, she wakes up and she gets her stick and you realize that she can still stand with her stick but she can't walk with it anymore. Her legs will not travel So in this day, the Akka she sits down and she lets the word out into the family that now the grandmother can't walk anymore. And one by one people come to see her that have things to say to the grandmother

54:44 and they sit down in front of her. She has information she may want to give them, they have things they want to say to her and it's blah blah blah blah back and forth. And then when there is nothing else to say to the grandmother this person would look at her in the eyes who was good feeling she would go away and the next person and the next person and the next person one by one so everybody had their opportunity to sit and tell or talk with the grandmother in these last days of her life And then when everybody, this whole procedure with these people coming. When nobody had anything else to say now the grandmother's sitting there they made one day where now the two strongest men of the tribe or the clan would come and everybody would be bare. Nobody would wear any clothes because we come into this world bare and we leave the world bare. These two strongest guys in the village or their tribe

55:40 they would come and they would hold hands, and they would make like an X by holding hands like a chair. And they would put this grandmother up into it, and they would carry her with their stick to the top of one hill or one cliff called Etastupa in the temple tape there you can see this big tall stone in back is where she fell from and they would carry her up to the top of this cliff or this hill, and there they would set her down. And she would stand it was very important she could still stand with a stick. She couldn't walk but she had to be able to stand you didn't want to wait because she couldn't stand they would put her in there and there's standing at all the people who had love

56:23 or feelings for the grandmother all made one queue, one line behind her as they were carrying her up to this hill. And then when she's standing there they had made a semicircle at the bottom of the hill and now she could look down into the eyes of her whole family. There was nothing to say to any of them that she had already said it one by one But she's looking down into the eyes of the people who made her life to be what it was. And they're all looking up into the eyes with their grandmother, matriarch. So there is just looking at each other. She standing there with her stick and off to one side, they would always have a ring drawn with a stick in the middle and that's a ring with a pole on the middle and the sun made this shadow cube. It's the sundial

57:11 And so she could look over and when this son, Udin or Sulan was at 12 o'clock, it cast a shadow on a certain line. At this time she would lift her stick up and point it straight up to the sun and she herself would look straight to the sun so she's holding her stick up to the sun, she's looking at the sun and in this minute the people on the ground they don't look into her eyes. This is your most private second of your life They also looked into the sun so it was like one communication from them their eyes looking to the sun, the sun looking down on this whole story and when she lifted her stick she couldn't stand anymore. And she fell straight off of back of his clip and all the way down the last thing she saw that he was going down about five six seven meters. Was a sign which is the creator of our life it was your soul

58:06 And this is how we died. We were alive at our own funeral, people when you couldn't walk with your stick anymore we went away from the life and then they would take this old woman they would cremate her all people were cremated This is why we don't find so many bones from old times because people are cremating and these people said that's a soul was in the ash of the fire and the ash is the driest thing on the planet. There's nothing drier than the ash, and they would collect this ash from the fire, and in this ash was the soul of their grandmother. And in these days we all belonged to family trees. In the north we all had the oak tree. In the paradise we had the palm tree but in this time we have the oak tree, and our ash was put underneath into the roots of our tree. They were living memorials. We didn't have

58:56 graveyard. You could go to your family tree and you knew that the ash of your older brother was there on top of the ashes, the ashes, the ashes, the ashes and this is how we ended up in the old time our soul went underneath our family tree and from there this soul is in the earth it's what we call the damp system because the earth is damp and the sun now would suck his soul out of this ash into the root of the tree. And now our soul is in the tree, in a form of saab or sap or mahala in Finnish language and now our soul travels up to trunk with the tree to the branch and from the branch it goes through the small branch and from the small branch it goes through the leaf so our life has gone through the leaf of the tree and now we're in the leaf, we be the leaf

59:58 And this is the belief system. We be the leaf, we be the life in the leaf and now the sun sucks our life out of the leaf, green in the leaf is the life and this soul sucked into the air And from there, in this planet spinning around and what we call sentry through God. In root language we call it centripetal force. This planet is spinning and the soul goes into the air where our spirit also went into the air. And interesting when we were sitting straight up and down all soul and spirit were brought back to the hole at the top of the axis of the planet through the holy

1:00:39 In English language they call it Hell-eag, that means holy. The Hell eag ground the Holy Ground so this was what we would call the heaven is not up in the vacuum of their own space The heaven is this hole in the top of the North Pole. This is where all soul went to, all spirit went to and all living things have a soul and spirits. So dogs, frogs everything that dies there is no place for bad people there is no place for good people also goes through the hole in our story Well I like all that it seems to jive with an animus perspective to a degree and it sounds like a much healthier tradition than respirators, breathing tubes, shitty cafeteria food in these sad death rooms that are foreign and cold and boring. You just rack up huge bill for the loved ones you leave behind thats no good

1:01:36 I'm also always love the idea of a living funeral because the way we do things now where we don't pour our hearts out until the person's gone it just seems like the worst timing ever but we just keep doing it this way man. It's another tangent but i've also wondered if there isn't some type of conspiracy angle to our modern casket in the ground tradition cuz, the ancient seem to have a much better understanding of the life death cycle and they seem to care a lot about processing their dead for that stage. We know the religious authorities killed off all these traditions and replaced them with empty, meaningless husks in a lot of cases. Maybe their funeral process does more to trap our body underground or to keep us from moving on just because it seems like people did have a handle on the process and maybe that information was used to twist the traditions and hold us back

1:02:34 in this case, as it has in others where something more meaningful and useful preceded. Well, I love it man and i really appreciate your time. It was great to talk to you again! I think you're a really interesting zen humble and skilled storyteller who really embraces that off-the-grid life And I think that's awesome that you become such an expert in this body of work. It's bit of a rare thing to see in modern times so I salute you for it and if there is anything else to tell people about where they can digest more material please let them know Greg just

1:03:09 You know, I appreciate so much. You're on the cutting edge! I can't tell you how much the planet needs people like you. I mean, you're really something else and I really appreciate that you gave me this space to put out a little bit more of this and if you ever want to go into some more stuff. If I'm still breathing, I'll do any more shows you want to do and just keep up your brilliant fucking work and keep that split from smoking brother. Hey man! And cheers...you are too kind well thanks again i will say boxsaga.net is a pretty great website it's pretty well done pretty high quality and it does contain

1:03:48 lot of the cliff notes at least to what we've talked about. So let that be something people can take away, of course you can look up Jim's long long multi-hour presentations and powwows on YouTube also recorded in really high quality 4k video it seems so there are some things out there to follow up on if any this resonated with the people And Jim, thanks again and take care out there. Mr. Carwood appreciate it so much I would appreciate if you send me a link so i can listen to all my mistakes Indeed I will have a good one man Aloha! Aloha! And boom goes that box saga dynamite people finally finally we can scratch a part two with Jim Chesner off the list

1:04:40 I would say he is right up there as one of the most requested guests to get back. And I am intrigued by the Bach saga, but instead of just diving straight into its contents again... ...I wanted to talk about its surrounding context this time. The stabbings of Eeyore-Bach? The radar scans that seem to check out of places that Eeyore said there would be something and then there is? Because that surrounding stuff, I think it's just as important as why you might want to give the material a second look Because you can find the 5 hour videos of Jim laying out aspects of the saga. You can go to the website, and look as deeply into the material itself as you want without me but what I thought would be unique is getting into those curiosities that surround it and also asking him a couple questions about his own thoughts ideas and life

1:05:35 because the Bach Saga material is so dense that you can spend two hours just sticking to it and never really getting to know Jim any better, and I think he's a fascinating guy. I mean he did have a better microphone this time and no rooster crowing in the background. Or maybe you know, maybe i'm just in it for the coffee last time as a thank you Jim did send me a care package from Hawaii with a lighter and a bowl and some really great coffee which is just a nice genuine thing to do way above and beyond and you can never have too much coffee But yeah, I know Jim is very committed of course to preserving the saga and the saga is life. His paradigm IS the saga and I do appreciate that commitment! I don't have any real body of work that I put full stock into that degree...I don't have much passion about anything specifically

1:06:31 And I don't want to say that i take the material with a grain of salt because that's not true, but if it is a long-standing oral tradition it's interesting enough just to unpack it from that standpoint or think of it as like an historical archive kind of situation. Because there are all kinds of indigenous cultures that have cosmologies or stories That might seem outdated with the knowledge that humanity has gotten in the time since, but at the same time we're wrong about a lot. We don't have answers for a lot and science is making a lot of shit up so going back to these old stories is interesting but you kind of have to weigh both those things at the same time And The Box Saga does have a lot in it that's wildly different than how we typically think about certain things

1:07:21 But he does say it's based in linguistics and logic, and you can kind of see where a boxogian might be coming from. I kind of think of it like the Bible here is this big container material maybe don't find something to value on every chapter but maybe its a different lens than the one you typically look through and maybe you see somewhere like oh now that's interesting never thought about it like that before And hopefully you had a few of those moments today. You know, Jim did follow up with me and he sent me an image of an old map where the original Prime Meridian is exactly where it says it's gonna be The longitude line That zero point It does pass right through Helsinki straight on through Crete I was looking into the reason that it's not there anymore Understandably it was common for a civilization to form their own map and put themselves at that zero longitude line

1:08:18 But the reason the current consensus is what it is would be because of the International Meridian Conference in 1884, which took place in Washington DC actually. 25 nations came together and they agreed on this new standard that put, surprise surprise, Greenwich England at the zero mark And I don't know how much there is really to unpack about that, but Jim might say that this was because they wanted to obscure or hide the importance of the Helsinki area. The whole of the inner earth... Or you know if Earth re-established its balance, Helsinki would be a very important place and so why not form a new standard before something like that were to happen?

1:09:03 I also wasn't kidding about several listeners who have been to Finland and sought out some of these areas Jim talks about. That kind of blew my mind a bit, creating a show that drives some people that far? It's kinda cool to be involved in! But for me what I need is that goddamn temple opened. I hope we get it, I really do and Jim is definitely going to keep me posted But a lot of the things we talk about on this show, they get to this point where it's like oh well we could get proof if we could only do X. And a lot of times x is not really feasible A lot of times that x is outside our means or takes millions of dollars This x seems well within the realm of possibility We know exactly where to go Apparently we only have to dig down a couple meters Let's do it!

1:09:56 It just gets frustrating to me sometimes, digesting all this material trying to get a smoking gun to validate some of it and it's always just out of grasp. But I am trying to keep the faith guys at least on a few things So if you only heard the first hour with Jim, which is largely taken up by me trying to talk about this surrounding stuff out on the edges. In the plus show we did talk about more of the specific material and teachings in the saga stuff like what it has to say about the 13 original races on the planet and how we progressed, the truth and misunderstandings about The Heart, the history of The Hemp Plant and its presence in that box saga

1:10:38 And we talked about that Graham Hancock cedar culture perspective, that a group went out and taught the rest of us some things and how that might jive with the Bach saga. As well as the saga's perspective on The Pyramids which was a theory on The Pyramids Of course they're all over the planet not just the Giza Plateau but it was a theory I've never really heard before It's kind of practical But it really makes a lot of sense because it relates to the lives of the people at that time. Why would they want to build something like this? Well, his explanation I think fits the mold. Plus People let me know what you think about that because I found that to be one of the most fun aspects of today if you want to be a plus member of The Higher Side ChatsPlus.com sign up to hear those second hours You can click on the linkage right through your RSS feed and you're right there

1:11:34 help a brother out, help yourselves out or just do whatever you want. But I am so happy with that last show that we did with Corey Daniels. I know it's become a new favorite for a lot of people. That's excellent! I know i had people waiting for a new show for awhile and we got to talking on the plus side and I commented that I'm sorry for the drought but now that flood is coming and then we have five more days of dark dreary dryness So, flood might have been a bit of an exaggeration but really I have to have five shows for you every month. That is my commitment and if we went 14 days without a show this month then clearly four more are coming before the month ends so it's a flood by a certain standard maybe it's more of a light sprinkle but they're coming again I'm sorry I had life obligations some travel some sickness some family stuff

1:12:33 some editor vacation stuff. But I got nothing going on for the rest of the year, as far as I know but sitting here and working on THC so once we get caught up here We're going to stay caught up because obviously things always unfold exactly as we think they will that said Here we are this makes two and then the next one is coming soon And it's really great and then the one after that a little ah and then the one after That is right back to being great So, lots of shows in the pipeline. Also six days until the next joint session October 25th 7 p.m pacific time! Come and tell me about your inside scoops and strange experiences

1:13:17 the sorts of things that are fascinating to hear but probably don't take up two hours, don't need a full show. I had a lot of people contacting me actually or commenting about Native American stories or insight or added details things about the desert that weren't in The Last Show and calling in for the joint sessions is really the perfect time to add those details to talk about those things so I hope you are listening and I hope you're gonna be available. But i'm gonna go ahead and get out of here, I've done what I can your move history stealers oral tradition destroyers and box saga suppressors your fucking move. You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane they'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes

1:14:12 You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't. You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not! You should tape the mail slot And baby if i seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just dont wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself

1:15:04 And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end If for some reason, you think I might be wrong I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well, you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just Don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone

1:15:57 It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want up high down in the swamp Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da, da da da da da da

1:16:50 You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull Cause, you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Cause' you can see, the masters lie too much Oh baby you can only trust yourself