Jeane Manning & Susan Manewich | Hidden Energy, Weird Science, & The Rollout Strategy

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood And these are the higher side chats.

01:30 Well, here we go good people of the internet. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and we have spent many an episode traversing these troubled times and sifting through the false paradigms laid out all around us And the more we learn about consciousness's role in reality The more important what one believes to be possible seems to be Yet so many slack-jawed sheeple caught up in the rat races and hamster wheels Of this fabricated lifestyle don't even know what they do not know Because they're told the system is doing its best across the board. GMOs to feed the world's growing population, chemical cocktails sold as some sick backwards medicine and even with something like the quest for non-human intelligence The tiniest bit of digging shows that not only are there usually many better ways in most cases this system actively suppresses the truth to the point of painting it as fantasy

02:23 But fear not friends, because beyond the razzle dazzle of the big machine bright minds are putting the pieces back together in a whole host of areas and one that's making a lot of waves right now is new energy. Call it organ, zero point, ether over unity or electromagnetism but several suppressed sciences and processes seem to yield cleaner more efficient and more abundant energies by harmonizing with our natural environment and the lesser known gifts it gives And as the tide continues to turn, we now have organizations like the Breakthrough Energy Movement and the New Energy Movement that actually work to promote vet and protect these working engines batteries and machines. As well as the inventors brave enough to upset the economic apple cart of the capstone cabal

03:09 Well, two of these fun folks are with us today. Gene Manning and Susan Manewich the co-authors of a great new book called Hidden Energy Tesla Inspired Inventors and A Mindful Path to Energy Abundance And these ladies are on the front lines of this new paradigm every day Jean approached these new energy inventions as a skeptical journalist over 30 years ago and was clearly impressed with the field, as she's been interviewing these new energy inventors and studying their work ever since. Her first book The Coming Energy Revolution came out in 1996 and she has since been a speaker at energy technology conferences in five countries

03:47 And as for Susan Manowich, she is the president of the New Energy Movement and has spent 20 years in the areas of leadership consulting, emotional intelligence, resonant technology and better understanding human dynamics to successfully transition through these global changes. Let it be known that Susan was also a participant in the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research in Cambridge Massachusetts under the late great John Mack And Susan's greatest passion is working with new consciousness, global strategies and emerging technologies to help humanity override the current program. Here they are to tell us about their new book Hidden Energy and tell us exactly what is going on and what we can do to speed it along! Two shepherds of secret sciences and true advocates for post-scarcity systems, Gene & Susan welcome to The Higher Side

04:36 Thank you thank you so much but a tremendous introduction i'm all excited now. I try and thanks for being here this is super exciting the topic of free energy and deep dive into what's going on in the space is one of the most exciting things to me right now, we've been lucky enough to have many of the bright minds in your book on as previous guests are america me eric dollar paul via let wall thornhill and jerald pollack just to name a few but to find a book that really covers the spread of all this fascinating stuff is super impressive. We hear a lot of claims in these fields but we don't often get the confirmation and i think a lot of us are really seeking, i guess to kick this off and maybe will start with gene what were you presented with it prompted you to be as dedicated on this as you have been for the last three decades clearly this stuff has been validated do you beyond hypothetical right

05:33 Yes, it has. The first one was years ago with scientist Dennis Craven validating the Patterson Power Cell in dependent testing in front of a group of very critical people and then I've seen more under wraps sorts of home experiments that proved as possible to use just making circuits that use principles of resonance to end up with more power output than input, and it's not violating any law of conservation energy. And the same with the approaches to the magnetic motor generators. They're really not violating the law of conservation of energy when they find ways to build things differently, to get around the limitations of something called Lenz's Law which we can go into later

06:27 So, I'm not technically trained. My degree is in sociology actually but I am interested in the big picture just like Susan is and the implications for humankind are tremendous! Yes And I understand why other journalists shy away from the field because it has been so marginalized and its you know embarrassing to them to become an advocate or too interested were taught to be distant and rather cynical, for good reason. But over the years it's been clear to me that there really is as you say meat on the bones and there really are real developments that prove what they are trying to do is possible which is actually to bring clean energy abundance to humankind There many layers of interest

07:26 from the physical, I'm getting tired of chopping wood fires here in British Columbia all the way up to spiritual implications. The more people possibly looking at the new science and new physics and realizing that the phrase we're all interconnected is not just words or speculation for somebody's mathematical theory It's a truth, that we're all embedded and swimming in this and immersed and interpenetrated with this sea of energy. And so what we do to one person, we do it ourselves! So the implications are just so huge that's my interest but the background in sociology I want to know what this can do for people or ordinary people for groups of people for societies

08:22 Yes very well said and that is exactly my motivation to just the big picture is so exciting and there's just so much depth of this stuff it isn't just one adventure one discovery here in their long lineage of, a different things in their compartmentalize cuz a lot of these people didn't talk to each other along the way they had their own discoveries which also makes it difficult because i come up with your own terms and all that kind of stuff but. It is very exciting And to bring susan in here so often if i want to do a show about these things we go the inventors and engineers at least ones willing to talk but this is little different you have a masters of science but i've heard you say that it's about a lot more than just having a working device, your going up against a lot of powerful interest who specialize in keeping these things behind the curtain and your dealing with a programmed populous so

09:14 I've heard you describe your role as a promoter or a strategist or an advocate. Talk to us about these roadblocks and challenges that you try to address that are necessary beyond just building a free energy device Yeah, that's a very big question. And it has you know there's a lot of answers to it because I think we have to understand there is a suppression aspect you know that has happened and that has gone on. That something that has occurred right so we say thats there now to what degree will that can be anything under the sun?

09:50 But then you also look at the fact that this information has not been out for a layperson to understand. So if people don't have awareness about something like this being possible, then it's not even going to hit their radar screen right? It makes it easier for things to Go underneath a table and never come out you know it like topics such as this. And then you also have the consciousness of people whether u wanna call it conscious is mindfulness emotional intelligence you know i mean there's differences to each of those things that just said but, human aspect of how inventors are coming up with their ideas what they think is working vs what doesn't really work

10:36 the field of who they have in their social support system, who they have in their actual work support system. I mean this is one of the fields that has the greatest opportunity to shift so much of what we're doing on this planet but at the same time it's not organized well and there are some groups that are able to organize fairly well that have fairly decent streams of funding but that's really rare and We have a whole host of things to address at the same time. One of which is just showing people that this is possible, that this is feasible. This is possible and there's something that hits individuals cognitive dissonance that says well this just can't be I mean we've heard a number of stories that inventors have a device that's working they'll show it to someone at the university or what not and the person at the university says well no this just can't be in then they walk out of the room so

11:36 You've got this dissonance that occurs as well. So, you know there's again a number of different things I mean we could have to get more specific questions to break that piece down and one of the things that you know i do speak about is well is the financial part as it relates to devices you know we have this idea that will just put money into. The development of these devices and then boom you know your gonna have one that's working in you can go by a day came art or walmart are wherever mark And, you know that's not...these devices don't seem to work in that type of way. Now why is the question that it makes us dig deeper as human beings of well maybe we really need to up-level ourselves and maybe we need to up level how we hold the development of these devices and the potential distribution of them in a much more conscious way?

12:32 I love it i love it and something i heard you talk about as one of those little roadblocks and challenges that you kind of try to address is the idea of sharing plans or having safeguards against the loss of a single person decentralizing that knowledge cuz as you say, There are times where one person starts to try to introduce what they discovered to the system either through university or through the patent office or something and that is when we don't see them anymore and their material is lost cuz i haven't shared it with any other experts, add now this system has a easier time dismissing what that person discovered because they just say where is it you know why isn't someone else did so

13:16 I think that's really smart and strategic. And, I like that we can say this is a field now because it really wasn't a field all that long ago. Yeah! I think it has become a field now you know? Someone like Gene who has been doing this for 30 years...I mean the level of bravery and courage is huge to be able to say hey, hey this what I'm writing about. This is what I am doing right?! So now, with YouTube Twitter social media. We're getting additional information that this is a greater possibility and it's not just living with one inventor that happens to live in a certain part of the world or another that you're seeing inventors all over the world so this is something that seems to be happening on a global scale. So it demystifies as being something that you know is rare anomaly so to speak

14:07 And that's a good thing and one of the things i would also add is what i've been seeing from my world now it just because its my world i don't think so but i've been seeing inventors with a willingness to collaborate more And earlier on, you know what I saw and Jean can speak to her experiences is there was a lot of holding that information in. In for again, a whole host of different reasons we think well they must hold it in because they're afraid they're going to get killed or whatever no sometimes it's not like that. Sometimes they hold it in for reasons that are idiosyncratic to them but I'm seeing less and less of that

14:50 Click we work with inventor teams that collaborate quite. freely. And their main interest is about bringing these technologies because they believe that there's a shift on the planet that's occurring, and they have it to do you know? They've got a mission here and that's to bring these in and bring these out to assist with this shift so I guess one has to look at the values that the inventor is holding and exhibiting and seeing where is that in alignment with the other inventors You know, we've been seeing that more and more often. And it's less of a problem it seems these days than it was in the past

15:28 Yes and of course there's just that classic issue as well that artists and inventors might not be the best business people. So in the book itself you list many other devices and processes that are yielding results employ natural tools, the vortex structure to convert energy time pulse electricity for big output from tiny input Special geometries and natural ratios that seem to help to royal motion. Discharging voltage abruptly into an unsettled plasma i mean a lot of this stuff just is kind of a word salad to me but i've seen these different things like even,

16:15 Cavitation people are doing really interesting things with just water and bubbles and of course electro gravity is in there. I guess i would ask gene with three decades looking at the stuff can you talk to us about some of the maybe different types of devices or even be the lab testing in the bedding that maybe you've seen or been a part of help listeners understand how significant and how broad and really how authentic these things are Yes, when it comes to lab testing Susan's seeing more recent examples of it. The variety is one of the parts that I really have enjoyed that we're not putting all our eggs in one basket sort of analogy but rather its a choice, it's more of rich diversity which is really like the natural world too

17:06 which goes along with the theme of tapping into energy that's available naturally rather than smashing an atom to try to get some power. So yeah, what they have in common is that they're all striving for approaches that don't have polluting side effects and getting there so... Yeah! The first one I encountered was the magnetics It's pretty interesting to hear the people that are really passionate about the possibilities of working with the new super powerful permanent magnets. Well, they were new at the time that I got in but they're really super strong magnets that can hold so many more times their own weight. So, that in itself is violating what the old textbook said that magnets can't do work. The question came up well where does the power come from?

18:06 And that's what led the first inventor that I ever met to start seeking an answer to that. He looked here and there, everywhere at a time when there wasn't as much talk about zero-point energy he ended up naming his company Pran Technology because of the ancient term prana which is another word for the background energy in the universe or farther along on spectrum toward a living energy is the life force. And that caught my imagination and the possibilities they would have to overcome not by brute force, because that just doesn't work. They would have to overcome something it's called Lenz's Law which means that there's always a back

18:59 force that comes up when magnets move past an electric coil or the other way around. and that fights against the forward moving motion of a rotor. So there's always that to contend with, because of that reality, the way motors and generators were built you always had the problem if you could not get out more than you put in, you couldn't even be very efficient because of the problem of having to continually input power to overcome that force so Over the years, that problem has gradually been solved in various ways. Resonant technology, pulse electromagnetism just building things with a different geometry so there's that approach first one I encountered back in 1981 and 1989

19:56 announce that about so-called cold fusion which was misnamed from the beginning and it's still a rather mysterious field where in which the scientists that have worked in that field many years know that there is something going on at the mainstream is avoiding looking out. That has real implications for humankind but they acknowledge that they haven't really nailed exactly what is going on. There are different theories, so that's an interesting subfield because it's where most of the PhDs have come into the scene and some of those academics that came in because of the widespread publicity about that Cold Fusion so-called announcement

20:43 those who actually have enough courage and curiosity and scientific honesty to pursue the anomalies, stayed in the field and continued to meet in conferences yearly. A few of those also had the courage to look a little bit farther afield and say well look at what we're finding out you know one scientist is a material expert who looked microscopic vortices involved in certain nano materials that were used in some of the cold fusion experiments and that led him to be more open to the possibility that there are other things going on, that academia was missing. And so when he encountered... Well you rewrite about the encounter with the Manelis device which is a solid state device

21:39 Instead of just jumping in his car and getting out of there as fast he could when you saw something that he couldn't explain with the science that had been taught, he hung around and convinced the inventor to actually trust him with testing the device. And bring in his team to test it in a very rigorous way. They found out that wow! This does go beyond anything we've ever taught. Yes and in fact that was exactly the example that i was gonna bring up because are there men alice he had this electric car and as you write a book. The battery the power it was based on the work of floyd sparky sweet i think we talked about him and past shows but he of course it passed but arthur built on that and when it was tested embedded by scientists engineers you right

22:33 They drove the car for 25 miles with four passengers. The battery capacity increased from 68% when they started to 89%. Then, they let the car sit for a week hooked it up to all this equipment and it recharged itself." And the most interesting part another quote from the book, data logging recording substantial dips in energy at certain times the engineers coming over the data found an exact correlation between those dips and the aurora borealis events they were baffled by interaction between the device and the magnetosphere that surrounds the earth. And that is one of those mind blowers that is really just hard to wrap your head around but it's also just exciting clue to the interconnectedness everything i guess

23:23 Yes, that really jumped out at me too. I tied in my mind with the Orgel experiments that show that at different times of day – sunset and sunrise – there's a difference it seems in the strength of this life force field around the planet and other very sensitive inventions that strangely operate differently in different locations, and at different times a day. So there's so much more going on that is not taught in the strictly materialistic if you can't measure it isn't real or we can't measure with the instruments that we have, maybe don't really have

24:05 instruments of the sensitivity that would measure this, whatever the life force is a subtler level of energy or higher frequency. Whatever's going on, the test instruments that are used in standard science and engineering just don't detect it. Funny how that is! Is it difficult when you learn how many different roads there are to get there. It's like then you start trying to reverse engineer well how is this a secret and then you think about all the people going to school for any energy field in the sciences near like man, it's quite genius i guess how they've crafted this box that the brightest minds can study this stuff for years come out become the best experts but yet

24:51 it's all the important stuff was is hidden and i don't seem to stumble upon at all that often that's what's fascinating me well the best interest of had when you're a century. You make sure that people marginalized any certain types of knowledge that might lead us do these discoveries, really really kept constantly bombarded with putting Einstein up on a pedestal as if everything in the relativity theories is just sacred, even though Einstein himself admitted at the end of his life in a letter that is in public knowledge that he really doubted what he had said and really thought there really isn't so-called ether.

25:46 Nice so called it's just one of the names i actually like that name because it has been chained echoes. Yes i like that term either to issues what are those funny things that we sometimes stumble over the language because there are so many words referencing the same kind of stuff And susan bring you back in here when it comes to the conference scene today are these devices that are demonstrated just powering a small light bulb, where have you seen bigger things i could actually power house or car as well or better than anything from the mainstream how close are these things develop mentally to a tried and true roll out. I would say that its going through its evolutionary phase

26:32 There's the world that i see right now so gene had alluded to the fact that we get involved in testing and betting and we do like when i got into this field i got into it. What is understanding that we're moving towards a subtler way of living in being at something bad, I'll say that i came in with, that it was basically like okay you know why are we doing the things that we're doing to the planet? Why are we creating these different technologies that seems to be taking away versus being an alignment. You know that's something that's just been like a natural thought for me so when I got into this arena I'm also what New Englander and were pretty pragmatic people even though I lived in Hawaii for a couple of years you know that pragmatism is just kind of there

27:19 You know I said to myself all right well Let's see it. Let's see what's working when I first got into this arena, there was a lot of stories and the stories are great in their interesting and they're charismatic and they pull people's energy in but you know a story is a story and let's say your taking money to develop a device but you don't have a working prototype or you have a theory again this is not a negative thing its just saying okay where we really at with Who has what and what is that really look like and one of the things that surprised me the most was the amount of stories in this arena without actually having a physical device and I thought to myself well, that's a little strange.

28:06 And then as I got into it more and more, I realized that. I started to gravitate towards people that had physical devices that were really, you know, I call in this is where Jean and I obviously really hit it off as well because this was what she did. And some of her colleagues at then became our colleagues. And it was that pragmatism of getting in there and really working yet and trying to Get more power out then power in and i went aha you know this is where I really need to be so this is what I was gravitating towards so. You ask about the field as a whole got folks that have theories you've got folks who have ideas you people that have raised money on the backs of a promise without actually having a working prototype so

28:55 what I saw for myself was, geez if you're trying to run a legitimate organization where you're creating advocacy around for these folks and for these devices there has to be some parameters here. There's gotta be some guardrails otherwise this isn't credible And how do you work to bring awareness of something that is this huge if the credibility piece isn't there? So yeah, I have a master's in science and you want to be able to go look at XYZ and see how it all fits and makes sense. Have a paper trail that goes along with it or some type of trail that goes along with it in terms validity.

29:36 So, we've worked really hard within our sphere within our group to come up with testing and vetting protocols. And I think what you'll find is 95% of the devices don't work as tested now somebody could say well that's because as Gene alluded to that the testing measurement may not be that great well that could be some other variables as well but we try to use them latest and greatest up-to-date devices and I am not an engineer, but I work with a lot of engineers who are really good at what they do. And you know again we're close knit team so where are we really? At what i would say as a whole right now which seems to be...and I'm going to take a leap here and say something because there is a lot of buzz in the alternative media

30:26 And you know, you do see it on CNN and you are seeing it posted in other places like more mainstream magazines and news outlets that the Navy has patented a device that can create. I don't know if they use the words over unity. I don't have the article in front of me but you're seeing more of this information popped out in the public domain and then you're seeing more of this information on alternative media but On my side of what i do see and why im gonna say it's a side is there seems to be more inventors that are getting inspired to create these different technologies coupled with the fact that

31:11 We seem to be at the space and place where you have a lot of what i would call working prototypes but those prototypes do have an issue of consistency. End haven't issued of scalability so you can ever working prototype let's say it's outputting a certain amount of power but maybe that needs to be scaled bit more. Maybe it needs to work for a much longer period of time, so that's where it seems like the field is at right now. It's not so much as are these things real? I think they are real, but I can see...I think Gene would probably say the same thing otherwise we probably wouldn't be doing this! But it's an issue, it seems, of our maturity and how...I mean energy is a big deal. How we use the electron is a big deal

31:59 not even getting into spiritual conversation. It's a big deal. So maybe this teetering point, this tipping point that we seem to be at right now is because we are being asked to understand this and in much greater level than what has gone on previously and again that leads into you know much deeper conversation as well so You know what I would say is We seem to be at a bit of this tipping point And I very much believe That this is not for the select few I very much believe being able to understand how energy moves and operates within ourselves, with our planet and with the universe that we live in is an important aspect of just our natural evolution. And this is a part of it! So...I could go on and on but I'm going to stop myself right there. No, very well said! Very well said!

32:54 the over unity devices are zero point energy devices those are definitely exciting and you also reference anti gravity in the book which is a whole nother thing that is pretty provocative and i'm a big believer in the idea that this is. A simpler mechanic than people realize and is probably been done many times over history but i am curious if either of you have seen anti gravity in the flash at these concerts or at these conferences or even behind closed doors. Well, I've seen John Hutchinson's experiments. Ah yes! Now there is a mad scientist. You gotta love that guy. Yes He was actually the second inventor that I met and that was a string of coincidences so whatever was happening in his experiments involving strong electrostatic forces

33:55 But something was going on that was going beyond standard physics and did bring in viewers from military sources, and there is a whole lot of intrigue around his story. Yes And well just for people who weren't familiar with him he did release videos online Of his experiments or as demonstrations where he seemed to be able to aim Amen energy at certain things and get them to float off the table it's a lot of things like the liquid inside of a cup the apple or bowling ball and various different. No household items or things that are not super huge but it kind of alludes to the idea that people talk about me ancient past they used to love it stone somehow i don't know what,

34:41 That's kind of what john hutchinson was doing was little levitation experiments in the lab as far as I know that right. That's right and this is you know where some high strangeness comes in, and I was always more interested in the practical what can we do for humankind rather than what can we do for people who want to do weird things to materials like some of the materials a metal would turn briefly transparent for long enough for something else to get embedded in it. I saw an ordinary table knife embedded in a slab of metal, that's all very interesting but that really wasn't my main focus so...I spent more time in all those decades looking for the answer for ordinary people,

35:35 clean energy problems which is really so crucial right now it always has been crucial to replace the polluting oil soaked politics and oil soaked technologies but of course right now, it's in everybody's face that there's lots of demonstrations asking for a change of regime in the world as far as energy industry goes. So yeah, that's exactly... but as far as anti-gravity experience and of course I've written in the past about T Townsend Brown and his story and I know you had an interview with Dr Paul LaViolette who really has written the ultimate book on those

36:22 Experiments and technologies but the adventures that we can counter. the ones that just have these minds, they just won't quit. And they see that one thing works and approach in energy generations and then they tell me later okay now I just want to do some experiments because i've got some ideas about how we can build this anti-gravity craft flying this...and I'm more of a point of view oh please finish the energy generator first you know? their minds went to hop off to the next thing rather than finish the first one yeah and that's you know what it's funny because that's what seems to be the case with him is i call it like the three tier of the first year as we just need to get this device out, can allow people to get off the grid and no something happens they can have heat making a half.

37:15 the refrigerators run and they can have electricity but you know what we really want to get to is that something midstream which is something between anti gravity in that first device but that's something that we hear a lot so it's almost as if, the bottleneck needs to be loosened on some of these inventors because this is what we hear very very often. Yes and it is just So interesting how the machine keeps all this under wraps you write in the book about the suppression angle and there's. Basically several techniques that u talk about in the book that they use compromising the schools and the certifications we talked about that, promoting their own cultural thought leaders and experts is pre approved people put on tv as the go to guy for science

38:02 You control the patent office you classify research and materials you promote red herrings and hoaxes so of course it date line nbc or sixty minutes is gonna give airtime to anything in this round its gonna be one of these red herrings. And your threatening your harmony destroy and also purchasing the technology offering the inventor a non disclosure and then burying it never comes out and that's common as well and Because you are so focused on the strategy side of things, Susan. I'm curious outside of the good vetting process that's definitely important what else are you guys doing to neutralize these suppression tactics?

38:45 Education. Education is absolutely critical, absolutely critical I mean the book you know the book is written for a lay person and the book is also written by two people that are I would say kind of non-traditional in this arena and that's intentional because if you need to get additional awareness you need to be able to bring in both genders into this area. And the book was written from that perspective, it's written in a sense that you know it satisfies engineers probably curiosity like somebody that is new learning about this but you know from a layperson I mean obviously I'm a woman and the amount of my friends who purchased this book alone that would never think in a million years they'd read this, they're reading it! These are people

39:29 you know, may or may not have a degree but they're people that you would not expect. But they're trying to educate themselves because they realize that in order for us to shift our thinking you've got to be able to get out of maybe your little box using your word earlier that you're in and actually begin to educate yourself in other areas Because we've been told physics is off topic to you if you don't have some type of a degree. Like, it's typically – We don't talk about physics. It's off-topic to you." You know? So, you find people are being more brave and saying, you know what maybe this is for me to be able to learn. Maybe it is for me to be able to say something in regards to my future, in regards to maybe my child's education that I'm paying $35,000 dollars a year that's going to college somewhere let's say for a degree in sciences right?

40:16 So, you know this is what I think. It's the education. What are we doing? There is a lot of education that needs to happen like NEM we're working on a couple projects right now they're not out there they'll probably be out there in about two months but going deeper from an educational standpoint and by the way it's not enough just educate people on the science and the tech You also have to be able to educate how did we really get here in the first place And why did all of this just become acceptable? Why did we just accept this as a norm?" I mean, I've spent the last two weeks visiting colleges and working with individuals in colleges to be able to educate them about this. Let me share with you that the amount of openness has been off-the-chart because they realize—who's the they people at the college setting?

41:09 And you know, because we think colleges are always the professors. No, the colleges are the administration there, the people in the career center that the people in the alumni office, there's people in administration that make up how these professors actually get it and it's not just the professors and students obviously being able to work with some of the students. So, the level of openness right now is much higher than you would suspect we keep wanting to go after the professor and get validation from this professor but I'll tell ya folks that are in some of these colleges are realizing and these are their words i'm going to say

41:52 We can't answer the need of our students right now. We understand and know that there's something going on, and we feel powerless. We don't know what it is that we can do to help." And so when you introduce to them something like this book or this topic they begin to understand that this is about connecting maybe science whether you call it spirit or the ether but the connected universe so to speak, they understand that this may be one of the things that needs to happen in order for these kids that are in these colleges to be able to feel inspired and to be able to feel like the college is actually giving them something valuable. And we have a young woman that works with us that graduated from college last year and she echoed this same sentiment

42:44 that she's beyond what her professors can share so you're finding that the students are the ones that are sharing this type of information back with their professors it's an education back and forth And we also have another person that potentially, I say potentially because he's working it out with his professor right now. He's got a working on his masters degree in physics and he's working on potential experiment with us right now and you know this is all great because again it's an education back-and-forth and this is one of the many things the other thing is education as it relates to working with creating a healthy ecosystem for these technologies and the inventors, to be supported in. Not taking what I call traditional investment because that usually seems to just fall flat on its face and that's typically because you've got investor that wants to make money off of this they see my god do you know this type of power savings? Do you know how much money that can make me so

43:45 Go and make this device, and have it be done by this in this day. You know for some reason? This field doesn't work like that for some reason there does seem to be a consciousness mindfulness aspect of this whole thing And I think that The more someone is in this, the longer the years that they're in this. This is what we typically hear afterwards from some of these very experienced PhD's and physicists astrophysicists and engineers Well said yes education is key and obviously educating these inventors of today on the cautionary tales of the past is a big part that had to avoid those. Tricks and traps cuz the system and his agents can be very sneaky and strategic n,

44:32 Let's get weird for a minute susan you are person that has had a contact experience and. You know i've talked to many many guests who have as well like we're pretty hip to that game but, We've also heard that tesla used to feel his ideas were coming in telepathically and you written about people in the book who also feel the same way or they had a near death experience when they were young and not let them out of body like this guy george merkel whose done so much lucid dreaming and out of body stuff. That he says he's learned more about mineralogy from visiting distant planets than ever learn in the classroom and that's of course provocative but

45:14 How common is this element that these inventors seem to have some connection one way or another to the more than human world? Well, I would say that it seems to be quite common but not in all cases. And I do want to pull in Jean for a moment on this because I don't think we can say every one of the inventors that are featured in the book has had let's say contact but they seem to have some type of epiphany or some type of higher level connection whether it's through nature meditation

45:50 Thinking that it's their higher self, but I think we can say there is a good amount of people to have. And the dreams wake up in the morning with a heart and so where did that come from you're right there is a whole spectrum of how tuned in inventors are some pretty close to the mechanistic But on the other end of the scale, of course Dr. George Merkel was most fantastic scientist I ever met and that's a mind blower his experiences of traveling in light body out among the planets and seeing how different types of minerals there are... That's a mind blower! Yeah, at the same time that Jean and I were writing this book

46:42 There was research that I published with this group last year. Wait, I have to say now because it's now 2020 a year and a half ago and that was about people that have had quote-unquote contact experiences but it's not all the same type of thing like they saw a certain type of being right? It came through dream state, it came through either waking up in the morning and laying in bed and having this information come or or it did come through an actual dream, some people it came through meditation. Some people it came through their contact with what they would consider a interdimensional being and again some people said that was the higher self but this one survey that we did that was separate just to kind of show you hey something big is going on here out of almost 2500 people we asked

47:33 Do you believe that you possess information about advanced technology, advanced physics or any scientific information that you've never read or learned about in your normal environment?" And 41.7% of those people said yes! That's a significant number to say hey something's going on in this state of consciousness that may be important for us to pay attention to. And what people were getting was lots of things under the sun about how the universe works, but some of the biggies that I like to talk about is like okay so what was this really about?

48:12 And the nature of the information was that the universe is a living system. You know, that was a biggie. Yeah! I mean just like the importance of everything in living and you know when I was listening to you and Gene talk earlier we were talking about all these different ways that we can extract energy well if everything is alive in the universe thats implicit that everything has an energetic component right? So fascinating they were also getting information about consciousness education training, basically how to work with their emotion. How to work with intention, how to work with visualization so this was part of it wasn't just here's this calculation formula and now this is going to plug into this device that's not

49:00 entirely it, there does seem to be what I would call a moral and ethical responsibility that goes along with the acquisition of this type of information. you know, they were also getting- we wonder why. Why are they wanting to create anti gravity technology? Well some of these folks were being shown how to actually create these ships and how to navigate this right? Well for what? Well maybe because of these earth changes, maybe because of this shift, maybe because of future preparation but a big aspect to this thing was about feeling this interconnectedness of love. And, you know they'll talk about geez you know this experience was profound I've got this information but the love that i felt was overwhelming and it's like nothing that I felt before so you know this is what seems to be coming back here and you know I think these aspects are

49:54 you know, really important to pay attention to. And there's a gentleman I've been speaking with as well that he's trying to understand what he got in this was in his friends are Native American. He's not and his friends are and they took him into a sweat lodge. What he reported was these downloads of information on how to build this over unity device. He ended up then going to school for engineering, to be able to understand how to work with this and what I would call like our day-to-day reality. So you know, fascinating right? These are people that we're trying to help to say

50:33 On one hand, it's like okay let's look at pragmatically what do you have but on the other hand you're playing what I would call almost like nurturing mama energy. Our group is not just me to try and help bring this to something that they can actually connect in with other engineers or other people that can understand them Creating these linkages is an enormous part of helping them feel normalized also, and dare I say feel better but feel like they're on task with what they're here to do. So that's one of the most rewarding pieces of this whole thing is helping people to feel like hey we're going to help you do what you came here to do hopefully let's help each other make this happen

51:18 Yeah, I'm with you. That's very important that aspect if i can interject but Susan was just mentioning about helping the inventors to feel okay about themselves because I've known some dear inventors who really find it painful to live in this world they have this unusual broader vision or ability to see things that others can't and understand things that others can't seem too but since society hasn't paid any interest and certainly doesn't throw any money there and in many ways they do feel so isolated it's not like thirty years ago when there wasn't internet and there was no way you could connect with people online but still

52:04 They need more than that they need physical face to face your okay we appreciate. You for what you are because often there not socially able to get in just because it's in their nature to be so driven too put into manifestation what they know is possible that they spend all their money and their families money in there neighbors money, can you borrow on the magnets in there machine shop bills and all the money it takes to do experiments. And just for lots of reasons social isolated because nobody else in our community interested in this sort of things are doing

52:49 So the human part is really important and Susan's right that's where we need the balance of the yin and yang in the field to nurture individuals, and nurture the teamwork. The collaborative side. Right on yes I agree! And i can see how it could be very polarizing and isolating to be that kind of person that some of these inventors are? And I could also understand Attraction to keeping some of the high strangeness or consciousness elements out of this stuff just for the sake of mass adoption i mean you're getting people with a lot just what the devices themselves but it is all connected and. It's very archetypal story actually that man in the distant past like the whole idea of a civilizing trickster are some entity from the stars weather physical on physical that

53:45 jumpstart civilization and teaches people how to live in certain ways and this could possibly be around that i mean even contact experiences when you ask the people like what was the message it's always about stewardship, it's about that were destroying the planet and even if u look at the crop circle phenomenon a lot of these patterns that are in the crop circles are the same toroidal vortexes that you see popping up in the new energy movement. So I do think there's something out there trying to whisper in our ears, hey it's time to get to the next level guys we helped you get here but it's time let's move along. Absolutely and share a small little story with you. I had been looking at a device that was in England and the next day

54:35 That device appeared as a crop circle and I mean it was a shared experience by the way so it wasn't just myself otherwise they would not tell this story but it was a shared experience and you can look at pictures, you know. You can see what the relationship is but Listen, I've seen lots of different things and even that made me cry because I was like oh my god. When you feel that aliveness when you feel it inside of you and then you say oh man... Because sometimes we're in our head like even myself right? Sometimes you get in your head and then you get more into that

55:12 I don't know what you call it, body intelligence or something and then you realize that the big magnitude of all this. And your right! There's communication that is occurring. You know they're saying hey look over here or hey its right here so just absolutely incredible. You can make it up. I think some of these amazing stories that Gene has seen throughout the years its like you can make up this stuff because real life is a heck of lot more fascinating especially in this arena than anything else Cheers i like it but man as were winding down here getting towards the end of this thing let me ask you what is that you hope people do with this information as a strategist maybe susan can talk about this but how do u want people listening now to potentially help out is there something they can do actionable steps, would you like to answer well i don't know if people caught

56:06 the references to you mentioned global famine and then when you probably spelled out that them is breakthrough energy movement and name is what your president of season new energy movement. And this is where our book comes in on helping people to see where they can take a role everybody no matter what your circumstances can do something to help Like in the last chapter of that book, particularly we outline steps that people can take to help improve the situation. So if you want to talk a little bit more about the New Energy Movement? Sure! So New Energy Movement is a public education advocacy group We've actually picked up a couple of additional volunteers in the last couple of weeks and months and happy to say people are moving along quite nicely and providing some great support so that's wonderful People are

56:58 in the process of looking at opening up chapters in their communities, both in the US Canada but also outside of the U.S and Canada so that's definitely a way that people can get involved I mean you know what people can do here obviously they can go to NEM new energy movement dot org they can go to breakthrough energy movement I think that's .com I'm not sure it's .org or .com also They can go to NUI, the Foundation for Moral Technology. So that is thenuifoundation.com But one of the things that I think is absolutely important because your listeners are definitely educated people Greg in the sense of knowing so many different things that's going on in this field as a whole whether it's disclosure whether its new energy that the shift on the planet

57:48 from a cosmological sun planetary scale or even some of the other things that are happening. But I would just say that it's really important that we ask ourselves a couple of questions and that would be the stories of, well, the energy is- The patent information is going to be released and all this energy technology is going to be released to the public and here we go happy days. I don't think it works like that when you work in this thing every day you see There's a lot that's happening and going on, but also we're being asked to understand about this subtler energy in ways I don't think that we've ever been asked before. You know at least in our lifetime and Dolores Cannon, I don't know if you've ever heard of her? No! She was this older woman who passed away a couple years ago but she was a great hypnotherapist she taught this thing called quantum healing hypnotherapy and this is where when she was doing hypnotherapy she realized

58:46 people were getting, here we're talking about earlier about the contact experiences that people were reporting their past life experiences. Contact experience is like everything under the sun so it's a well-practiced form of hypnosis today but she would say from what I can tell we come to this planet to learn how to experience and influence energy now that's like human energy right? But maybe the same thing is being asked of us in the energy of the ether, right? And how we generate our electricity. How we generate that energy so to stay in that sovereignty of our understanding versus acquiescing this to someone else whoever that someone else is maybe it's up to us to be able to learn what we can and understand what we can about ourselves

59:33 And our relationship to the world around us because it seems very important and that's one of the things that we're being asked to do so i would say stay in that sovereignty working to understand but also to potentially be a creator this process. Well said well said and something i like your checklist of things that people can't do that's in the book is lending your skills areas like legal project management graphics accounting media you You don't have to be the inventor of the new energy device to help out i mean like everything it's a very robust team that helps things get to the surface and you can have all kinds of skills that you might not think relate in actually do.

1:00:19 Every skill is needed. There's not one skill that's not needed, I mean we're talking about a planetary transition it's all needed of course and the last thing i really wanted to ask you about is just the conferences because they are such a big part of this really because there's different groups running different conferences what is say the next conference set you guys will be at and maybe people should attend or try too Energy science and technology conference for people who really want to learn how to build these things but Susan can talk to the energy movement conferences new energy movement.

1:00:57 Yeah, so Breakthrough Energy Movement. They obviously had their conference this past year they hadn't had one I think for the last two years or so but from what i understand they're going to have another one probably in November maybe in Amsterdam as well which is where it was last year So that's for technical people but it's also for people that want to understand participate in the other aspects that support breakthrough energy That's happening in November Very cool yes that is where people can find me i get a lot of criticism that i don't really get out in the world and yeah i could go to the conspiracy conferences if i need to see another nine eleven slideshow but to me what are the rubber meets the road as the new energy kind of stuff because it's still suppressed and its way more exciting and something we can actually use in the future rather than

1:01:47 Going over past events again and again but man this is been a lot of fun ladies i appreciate everything you're doing and, this has been one of my favorite shows in awhile i can't wait for people to hear it a lot of provocative stuff. And this book is great so comprehensive from the fundamentals of understanding this new paradigm to the history, to the bright minds working on these things today. It really is a complete case front-to-back so very cool and I look forward to the future take care out there! Thank you Greg. Thank you i hope i meet you at one of the conferences Greg. Indeed

1:02:26 Holy ether-fueled alethiometer people, the powerful women of the weird science movement. Mmm hell of a show if you ask me and I know we've been hitting this particular branch on the higher side tree pretty hard lately And honestly, I did plan on taking a break from it for awhile But then James DeMaio said he would do an interview and then I thought okay now We're gonna pause on this and hit some other areas But then Gene and Susan's book was released, and I thought okay we'll do this. And then we'll take a break from ether physics in this sort of stuff because there is just so much under the higher side umbrella but what i loved So much about this one Is that it's not Just A deep dive Into One Particular Person's Work and Theories

1:03:16 It's a journalistic look at the overall landscape, the history of it, the current state of things and how to bring it all together and strategize a true rollout. It is what we need and its beautiful thing! And when you start talking logistics and PR and strategy...it all starts to feel very real and very close. The dominant of wider inclusion in that. And it's also a happy accident that the best voices for this particular layer of things are also voices that bring some diversity to the table. Not a lot of ladies hitting on this particular topic, and not to get into it—and there are exceptions to every rule—but I've heard psychologists say that broadly speaking one of the biggest mental differences between the interests of men and women is that women are interested in people and men are interested in things

1:04:11 which is why you have a lot of male tinkers out there, mechanics or plumbers or electricians or inventors. And you have a lot of women in positions or jobs or careers that deal more with people like teachers or HR positions and that sort of thing but I don't know to me this is a great example of what more female energy would bring to this particular table again broadly speaking and no pun intended You can also see how otherwise you would have a bunch of hermit type socially awkward guys tolling away in their separate garage labs. Which is what a lot of the history of hidden energy looks like and if we're gonna talk conspiratorially, it's a lot easier to pick off and suppress those individuals when those are the conditions of the movement but either way i was very happy when this one was done I knew it would be popular thing with people

1:05:10 And it's also the best we've been able to do regarding this connection between plasma and disembodied consciousness since we had Eric Dollard here. Even though I did just say that i'm very consciously trying to pursue some other subject areas for you, the one thing in this realm that I'd like to get into sooner rather than later is The Sapphire Project And yes, that was all in the Plus Show. Sorry free listeners but you don't just jump into the sudden emergence of non-human intelligence from plasma reactions! You have to work up to that sort of stuff and it is why the plus shows are always better but I say this every week...I still think we got a great breakdown of The Field in the first hour lots of names and inventions to investigate further

1:05:58 Lots of thoughtful examinations of how the system attacks this field and what we can do to counteract that. A very important piece of this puzzle, clearly! It is another case where I would love for everyone to hear every bit of the full two-hour show but programs like this only survive in three ways Reliance on sponsors and advertisers Being subsidized and funded by major networks even though you lose them money because you're still suiting an agenda of theirs or direct A to B listener funding. There is really no other way for a show to generate staying power and how much more can I really give before a particular listener might think that they should reciprocate? You already get half, and my pitch for plus is a bit different than most because I'm really not hurting. Hey did you see my new car?

1:06:55 But THC is not going anywhere. I'm not gonna pretend that we might disappear suddenly if you don't sign up soon! There is no threat insinuated or gun to your proverbial head, it's really just that...you're missing out on a lot You're clearly already into this stuff and if you're gonna give a waiter eight bucks for writing down how you like your steak and bringing ya five plates of food, I would like to think that the service here is at least that good But whatever, I guess i should also just throw in the plus show topics now. But outside of the plasma stuff and the sapphire project we also touched on some other highlights from the history of free or clean energy devices and engines, the potential dangers of working with unseen energies, the work of Ken's shoulders, and also what's happening in the realm of health and healing devices

1:07:49 And I do hope the Health and Healing Devices is their follow-up book. Lots of exciting stuff there too, and they definitely seem to have their finger on that pulse! So there we have it for the people who have written me and said they're tiring of this topic and want to get back to a wider range of themes...I hear ya! We are doing that now but i'm definitely going to be keeping tabs on this field for anything new or different that makes the whole thing worth revisiting And check out the book if you want to dive in further. If you have people in your life that are reading science books or Neil deGrasse Tyson's dribble, this is the book they really need and that's The Show! I'm so glad they were willing to do it big thanks to both guests It came out really well two guests can sometimes be a bit challenging for the editor and big thanks to him too

1:08:43 The next episode coming at you is completely off the radar. You probably couldn't guess it if you tried, but I'll give you a one-word clue Walrus... I've said too much! I'm getting out of here Your move secret science suppressors hidden energy hiders and upholders of the corporate energy apple cart your fucking move Oh no, you see The world isn't random, it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me

1:09:37 Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, the vast conspiracy There's such a difference between us And the Denver child Hollow from a higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done Then they'll call out deception For the web that's been spawned

1:10:31 Hello from the higher side The earth is hollow I will tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about Saturn? Have you heard about the real since love wore on? But know they're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens, it's no secret And that the best is plush? It's doubling your time

1:11:37 Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you something The elite have done And they'll call out deception From the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side Challenging your path And I'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won At the war Hello from a higher side

1:12:56 They're calling out a thousand crimes. They'll tell you what the elite have done, and they'll call out deception of the web that's been spun from the highest heaven. Challenging your paradigm And I'll tell you someday That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won, that's the rule