Jay Weidner | The Cross Of Hendaye, Plasma Portals, & The Season of Catastrophe

00:03 With masters most surely have There's clearly maybe something And until we've thoroughly tested Every last close-chested And the more we think, We the less we realize We're not T.A.C. Cause' we know they're lying to us Just don't know To what degree? Where would we be without T.A.C.?

00:52 So say we all, from the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood. And we lucky few can read between the lines of reality enough to see that the psychopathic arconic elite have a completely different metaphysical orientation when it comes to what this world is its true history and unseen forces that drive it. not have been read in on the details, but from the esoterically potent naming of their companies and the strange statues and logos that seem to pay homage to ancient gods...to the notion that war is often a cover story for seeking ancient texts and artifacts that fill in holes left in their own timeline reconstruction and lost technologies of the past. It's clear there was a lot left out from the public eye

01:37 Well, more and more independent researchers are looking at this as well as various cultural legends from around this island Earth and concluding that we might be in a cosmic system that's a lot less fixed than advertised. And when the great sky clock strikes 12... whenever that might be The earth seems to go through massive catastrophe and upheaval, wiping the slate of history clean to start again. If this is true then of course the management class is content keeping the masses enslaved with fake green paper economic illusions and distracted with endless entertainment options in culture war issues to debate while they apply their vast resources to seeking knowledge on when to expect it and building a vast network of bunkers and tunnels to weather the cosmic storm. Probably right on top of the last fast tunnel system that was used in previous rounds of System Resets Well, wouldn't you know it? Today's returning guest Jay Widener wrote a book way back in 2003 titled The Mysteries Of The Great Cross Of Hende Alchemy At The End Of Time

02:31 about the decoding of an artifact hidden in plain sight that talks of such a cataclysm, and points to a place of refuge where inner earth tunnels seem to go for miles. If you don't remember who could blame ya but Jay has been here twice before once in 2014 talking about Archons Mount Shasta and the Brotherhood of Saturn as well as 2013 in episode 68, breaking down his work on Stanley Kubrick and his film Kubrick's Odyssey which has grown into a series of three films now. You can find all of his work at jayweidner.com as well as sacredmysteries.com He also does a great interview series called Reality Check on his YouTube channel and it's great to have him back! The real life Indiana Jones archetype ancient relic decoder and cosmic sky clock timekeeper Jay welcome back

03:15 Hey, good to be back. It's been a long time over a decade the much simpler world of 2013 and 14 but I know all these interviews tend to blend together But you were a big part of this show early days And I recently had a guest Matthew J Bell bring up your book The Great Cross of Henday and I was just super into it and surprised that I missed it I guess Archons and Kubrick were just too exciting for me at the time, but your co-author on this book Vincent Bridges sums it up by saying What we've been taught to regard as history looks a lot more like the residue of a millennia-long global conflict over control of this secret and its ramifications, the secret being the cosmic cycle. But I love that! Would you agree that they're okay with us believing pretty much anything except this truth about the season of catastrophe? As you call it in the book

04:09 Yeah, they don't want us to know about it because they want to be ahead of the game. They knew about it last time 12000 years ago and I had some kind of escape hatch various theories on what it was, probably underground. And so they've had the upper hand ever since the catastrophe because they had all high technology and knowledge saved and the rest of us who were just savages living out in middle nowhere barely living you know we're always at...and so we've had interactions with these advanced beings the whole time for last 12 thousand years advance human beings Graham Hancock's Fingerprints Of The Gods

04:54 about how they went out and taught men and women how to farm, hunt, you know recast civilization. And so here where I live locally a little bit near a mountain called Mount Blanca And it's the Holy Mountain to the Hopi. They went underground in the catastrophe and were saved by the ant people who are apparently the residents of the underground chamber that's in Mount Blanca, and I'm working on a new film interestingly enough which is sort of based on the work of Chris O'Brien which postulates that The Great Sand Dune Park

05:39 which is right under Mount Blanca, is actually the inside of Mount Blanca. It's tailings that ran it through AI and told me that the sand was all uniform of the same exact kind that it was exactly what we'd find if it came out of a mountain. There's no other explanation for it, for the sand dunes actually. The geological explanation doesn't make any sense and here is the great part Chris O'Brien told me that they did a drill down in the sand dunes and they got down to the surface. Sand dunes are like 900 feet high. They got down to the surface and they found an ancient forest underneath the sand dune

06:20 And they got some organic material and they carbon dated it, and the trees died 12 thousand years ago. So you know apparently the ant people whoever they are knew that catastrophe was coming They dug themselves a chamber inside the mountain and brought some of the Native Americans in with them and saved him It's pretty interesting story and it is all over the world What we're really talking about is this Cross of Hende, which is this cross in a churchyard in the south of France right on the Basque border with Spain. It mirrors the four tarot cards 17 18 19 and 20 and you can find 17 18 19 and 20 on the Cross of Hende too by the way if you look close enough somebody built it like around

07:10 1600 or so, 400 years plus. And it may even be earlier based on another cross that was falling apart and so it's clearly made by a Freemason. There are Freemasonic symbols all over it and my venture deep into Freemasonry has shown me that Freemasons are One of the things that they're doing is they're watching the solar cycles. The cross of Hende postulates that there's four cycles or four yugas, oval with the 4 As on the cross is the four yugas and the eight-pointed star is the center of the galaxy and it's right across from the angry sun

08:01 So the center of the galaxy makes the sun get angry, is what the cross is saying. And it also makes us not get happy too just depends on where it is in this heliocoidal spin and I regard the monument to the Cross of Genda as most important monument on Earth because we don't really know much about the pyramids We know that they're incredible. We know they're impossible and that itself is amazing but the pyramids aren't really telling us anything. We can't read a hieroglyphs come from the second dynasty, not the first dynasty. The first dynasty is where all the cool stuff was made so you know all the pots that look like they're machined and everything that so I believe that's all pre-12 000 years ago i believe that the first dynasty in Egypt was

08:50 was destroyed and then somebody came in and took it up, created the hieroglyphs and the whole system. And I think like Brian Forrester would agree with me on that he's found enough evidence in Egypt to show that had been hit by something hot heavy 12000 years ago. I think that...the reason at the cross of Hende is so important because its giving us real information and true Information about our universe that would seem impossible for someone in 1600 frankly Unless there were some kind of really well read well-traveled person. They would have had to go on to India They've had gone all over Europe they haven't gone to Egypt 1600 is hard getting around in those days so

09:37 whoever it was, not only told us about the seasons of our galactic seasons but they also told us about you know a place of refuge and then when you start looking into the tunnel systems that are in Peru and then you discover of course that there's tunnel systems in the Himalayas. Yeah, there's probably total systems in the Rockies right and then probably all been discovered and everything. And so the ancients, we know Mount Blanca and by the way you can trace if you get on Google Earth. You can trace the sand from the Sand Dunes all the way up to side of Mount Blanca and I would say where that sand trail ends is where the entrance used to be. It's probably not there anymore landslides and stuff cover it all up and everything so all over the earth We have these myths about a catastrophe

10:34 Horrible catastrophe nearly killed everybody on earth. Then we have all across the Earth myths about some men on boats coming around and rejuvenating civilization again, and then you couple that with the cross of Hende then you're getting a pretty serious read on what's going on here So what this is about is We go The solar system oscillates. It goes up and down like this at the edge of the galaxy. So, the edge of the galaxy is all this muck and rock and stars and everything right out of the galactic plane. And our solar system goes up through that galactic plane comes out over the top then comes back down then hits that galactic plane again and goes back up and over back up hits the galactic plane every time that the solar system

11:30 Gets behind the galactic plane the emanations from the Galactic Center stop. They're no longer there The Sun turns yellow We're in the middle of the Kali Yuga, where is nothing but war strife danger Our only spiritual leaders only thing that they can really tell us to do is like what the Buddha did Let's just say just forget it dude. Just sit under a tree and do not participate Yes nightmare right? And so we have these spiritual traditions which were born out of the Kali Yuga Jesus Christ Christianity is also another religion born out of the Kali Yuga. Jesus's message is really, you can't deal with any of this. You just have to back off and that's exactly what he had to do in the Kali Yuga. However so what also the cross of Hennedaeus telling us

12:26 when we hit the very, very peak of the Golden Age. The very top of the Golden Age is when the catastrophe happens That's what throws us back in Into the down loop again is the catastrophe. So it was 12,000 years We're up we're in the Golden Age 12,000 years ago. We hit the catastrophe We then went down into the Silver Age none of the Bronze Age on into the Kali Yuga and just now right now We're just coming out of the Kali Yuga Just came out of it and the Sun has turned white again Again, like it was previously. Yep people have noticed that probably will turn purple before it's over by the way So we're going through these massive changes and and people are losing their minds because for one thing the solar energies of Increased but so I have the galactic energy

13:17 And so we're getting more psychic and a lot of people can't take that. And so they freaking out, you know? There's a lot of other weird stuff going on. I don't know if you're aware of the Voyager thing that happened a few weeks ago now where that one now tells us Voyager is the very first spacecraft that was sent out into deep space And it passed the barrier of the heliosphere about maybe a year or two ago. So, it's now 15 billion miles away from Earth and about well some time ago I don't know when they're kind of not telling us It made an adjustment in adjusted itself and that's impossible There was no fuel the fuel lines are all frozen then it let out a hum

14:05 that never let out before. And nobody knew what this hum was, and his hum went on for a time period And then finally, they put the hum into AI and the AI discovered the harmonics prime numbers. None of this could be generated by the crappy computer that's on The Voyager from 1977 right? Yeah I don't even know how they would read a signal like that! Yeah we may not even be the ones out if the signal is meant for it...we don't know but anyway Michio Kaku, Japanese astrophysicist he says that he thinks were in contact with aliens And, um, uh, that they ha wire. Right? So some kind way out there and they hi then they came in and sho which created the beam tha

14:57 Read as the hum. There's a hypothesis I don't want to get off the hende thing, but this is really interesting There's a hypothesis that just kind of new hypothesis by Japanese or Chinese science fiction writer six in Lee and it says that the reason that we never see aliens Because the entire universe is a dark forest and it's filled with Predator aliens that remain hidden for fear of other predator aliens, right? So so everybody's hiding because they don't want to be seen because they're worried about other hostile forces well we foolishly put

15:39 Earth's address on the Voyager when it took off. Literally, it has Earth's address It has a golden album record album with that anyone who discovers you can play and it's got all the people in all the languages saying hello and Beethoven and Bach and all this other stuff right but he gave us we gave their our address in our naive days of 1977 We thought all the aliens were benevolent what? what is or not. Right, right. So let me jump in here because I don't know how much stock i can put on every little NASA mission and all that but the idea of a cyclical cataclysm...I mean this goes to all sorts of indigenous cultures as you said you mentioned the Hopi but they're not the only one and

16:22 The story of this cross, and I'll put it up on the screen so people can take a look at it. But there are so many details. It has a Latin phrase across the top that says hail to the cross our only hope and as you mentioned at the base a star, the moon and the sun with a face that looks kind of angry and they kind of match the tarot cards. There's also the INRI inscription that we know from the cross with Jesus, but you say in the book that this had an alchemical phrase that it meant before the Jesus motif right? That's kind of interesting

17:01 Yeah, in fire nature is renewed. Well there you go! That's the alchemical interpretation of it that's true about alchemy because we use fire to cause substances to transform not fire like a match but plasma as a fire that is how its renewed and then the earth is renewed through the interaction of the solar plasma storm that comes every 26 000 years The remnants of the solar plasma storm are all over the southwest United States It's quite evident to me that the Grand Canyon is actually a lightning strike. Yes Nothing, there's no tailings if it was eroded from the Colorado River There'd be a whole bunch of mud and dirt at the very end of the Colorado River from thousands and thousands years of erosion But you don't find that

17:54 All of the strange misshapen rocks and formations all over the Southwest, Northern Arizona and Southern Utah. I believe we're all formed by this plasma storm all over the southwest or Indian Native American pictograms of plasma literally plasma and Dr. I'm going to forget his name is from Los Alamos Anyway, he's a plasma physicist and he you know works at Los Alamos doing plasma experiments And he went out one day to look at art with his wife on a Sunday in Santa Fe and they have all these new Art shops in downtown Santa Fe with Native American art locals You know Southwest Indian Native American art. He's like whoa! He's like every one of the Native American art had plasma

18:48 drawings in him and he was like completely stunned and that set him off looking at the petroglyphs from not just American Southwest but all over the world. There's these plasma petroglyphs that have been etched onto the side of cliffs some things as if everybody witnessed some kind of incredible thing, right? And our local most biggest Hunk of plasma is the Sun. It's just a giant ball of plasma and every once in awhile it gets all twisted because the orbit of the pole of the Sun is slower than the orbit of the equator so the electrical magnetic lines begin twisting, and they twist, and they twist, and they twist... And finally it reaches the point where that's it you know? That's yet we're done and explodes

19:37 We see plasma events in the sky we have Terrible things happen to us Robert shock wrote over. He's a professor at University of Boston he wrote a book about all this after seeing one of my lectures I might add and on the cross of Henday and A really good but forgotten civilization think it's called And it's all about how evidence all over the earth that this gigantic solar event that happened. What I think happened is because the cross of Henday says that there's a double catastrophe, that's so important to understand. So what happened is at first we got hit by something that occluded the skies through so much dirt up into the air that we went into darkness

20:26 We went into a younger dryas, the 1200 year long really severe ice age. We were pulling out of the long ice age and everything was starting to warm up things were getting better and better and then we got hit by something now I contend that it's galactic superwave a period pulsing periodic galactic superwave ripples through the plane of the galaxy and causes The Sun to explode causes it to become a tea tarry star in other words, it pushes so much dust that

21:01 into the solar system that it does falls on top of the Sun and Causes the Sun to ignite after so I think that but but like Randall Carlson my good friend Randall Carlson He thinks it was a meteorite or a comet did hit. Okay, that's what threw us in the younger dress I really don't care because the signature of a galactic superwave and the signature Of a comment or a meteorite are the same you'd have all you have the same exact intergalactic elements that would be spread all over so you really can't tell what happened, but the second catastrophe

21:39 Is the one that comes 1,200 years later? Okay. So we're thrown into the worst ice age in centuries for 1200 years Even as down as far as like Iran it's freezing cold okay every people are reporting back how cold was even there and so all of a sudden There's this giant warm-up which causes the ice to all melt suddenly and giant flooding and all of this stuff. That's the second thing, the second catastrophe which is the solar catastrophe so first the earth goes thrown into the younger drives by some mechanism some exterior mechanism right that causes gigantic colds right then the sun flares hits the earth and turns it all into

22:29 It melts everything and sea levels rise. And cities that were there are destroyed, and finally everything warms up all the big animals die off. Here we are. So many thoughts. I have some quotes here from you where you've said, the very basis of esotericism is the relationship we humans have with the sun and the entire point of Freemasonry seems to be passing down the knowledge of galactic solar outbursts every 6-12 thousand years So just a cycle, and I've heard you say there's also smaller cycles. Like you think maybe the Chicago fire was when it was hit with a part of the cycle that might happen every 400 years? And that makes sense because at such a mysterious event, The descriptions do not match like a conventional fire they say things are flying out of the sky and yet the official story as well

23:26 Cow knocked over a lantern in the barn and the whole city burned down it's like wall why would they need to cover story if the secret is that we have these cycles and the biggest deal is keeping its secret then. Yeah, there's going to be cover stories to this kind of stuff. And your book starts out with following the trail of alchemist Fulcanelli and his book The Mysteries Of The Cathedrals. There are I guess 12 cathedrals in the book and you went to France and across Europe and actually went through these cathedrals, and his point is that they actually contain this information of cyclical cataclysm encoded in them but they've been co-opted and the knowledge obscured. You know we just had Notre Dame have that mysterious fire recently was that because people started to figure out they can look for these codes and secrets in the cathedrals? It seems like Fulcanelli would say yes

24:23 It's just really interesting because you also brought up the Native American beliefs about the arches in the National Park and plasma. This is, it's just we're all over the map but you did a great interview with Robert Temple about his recent book on plasmas Man, there's just so much weird stuff about plasmas. You also have in the book these crop circles from the 90s and how they kind of look like they're trying to explain some of the celestial configurations that happened at these time periods. We didn't have that context back then but now people are waking up looking at it with new eyes and it's like man maybe that's what it was but these arches in Arches National Park, they think their portals I'm trying to understand how

25:06 portals and rock and plasma all kind of interact. Like what's the relationship there? Because there's also Amurumuru, the gate of the gods which is in Peru, of course in Peru but it's just this cutout in the rock and they say it was a gateway. Well, it seems like there's some relationship when we get into certain places where plasma causes rock formations to be gateways. It's kinda hard to understand but talk to us about your thoughts on that All right, so the pyramids are built out of granite. The cathedrals were built out of granite. Why? What's so important about granite? Granite has a high amount of quartz in it. Okay, quartz is highly conductive all right it has electromagnetic field in it So what happens is that you'll get places that are hot spots

25:58 on earth, like Skinwalker Ranch where there's just all this weird stuff going on. And it's a high amount of plasma because of the geological terrain That governs it. I live in the San Luis Valley, which has more UFO sightings than any place in North America They're not really UFOs they're plasma flying around but everyone thinks they are UFOs whatever a UFO is These hot spots are generally... The Native Americans wouldn't live there Sedona's another hotspot They wouldn't live there because the energy was too high and they generally told the white people not to move there

26:42 in most cases. There were no Indian settlements in the San Luis Valley ever, they've never found any traces of it so they would come up here and hunt but they wouldn't live here permanently because it's just too hot, well the energy is just too much same with Mount Shasta same thing going on there So you have the right geological foundation and then you have the right shape Two so in an arches National Park you have the round arches that are everywhere And so the plasma is gonna be able to concentrate better Because it has, you know It's all the plasma is running through the rock and the rock is all around. So now the plasma electromagnetically can connect to itself and create the portal and that's how the portals are there on a

27:31 Most of them are accidental but the ones in arches are real. I would not suggest you jump through one of those arches a Native American told me that he When he was a kid, he jumped his friend and him were playing near the arches And when his friend jumped through the hoop this Native American like 75 what? He told me story 30 years ago Jump through the thing and didn't come out the other side Weird part is is that his body was found high up on a mountain nearby Like 20 years later and he had the same clothes on That he had when he jumped through the thing and your same size everything so he froze to death He landed someplace way high up in frozen down

28:14 Wow, you know I know you've brought this up before but you think that all the hubbub about the missing 411 stuff. This could be related and I've heard you say that you mentioned this theory to David Paulitis and he said well it sounds about right but the story you just told a person ends On a mountain top far away from where they disappeared that is like textbook for the missing 411 stuff it's like the person has to have been relocated somehow so. Yeah, very interesting possibility. You remember the guy? I think it was in Pennsylvania he was skiing and he went down the ski slope and you never seen again And then three weeks later it showed up in California. No memory had a haircut new clothes like what It's it's a weird world and this plasma reality makes sense of a lot of strange things so That's right So real secret of alchemy is plowed. It's a secret fire

29:13 So it says it all over the alchemy books. You can't do anything if you don't know the secret fire And then they further describe, and it's the fire that does not burn It's like huh? You know for years I was like pondering what this is mean a fire that does not burn and then and I had my final revelation probably about 20 years ago That it was all plasma Plasma is 99% of the universe hard matter like us world 1% or less of the universe and our physics only studies the one percent they don't really bother much with the other 99 certain there are plasma physicists, but you know that they don't really have great much in the world astro I mean a Astrophysicist rate higher and you know so plasma has not made rounds yet. But it's coming and

30:03 All supernatural experiences are interactions between humans and the plasma universe. Ghosts, apparitions, strange weird things... If it's supernatural if it's translucent you can see through the thing that you're probably dealing with a plasma being And they're everywhere the report came out in February 2024 by a group of physicists and then another report in October of 24 By the same group first report had video photographs everything at the plasma beam from NASA and said that these are living sentient beings that Have predatory behavior That's and there are millions of them

30:51 And I've seen them, and they're made out of plasma. And then the second report talked about how they're all over our atmosphere that planes should watch out because you might hit one of these things right? Right right after the October 2024 report came out came all the plasma things in New Jersey and all across the world Also, there is all these plasma events of people. Oh you have a little guy. Well, that's a plasma beam so all of sudden they're making their appearance and furthermore The Vedic tech, talking about the cycles say that when we come out of the Kali Yuga We will see things that we could not see in the Kali Yuga. That were blinded and only by coming out of the Kali Yuga can we start seeing all these strange things are going on around us

31:43 And it's truly weird, dude. I know this dude he got hit because he was a construction worker and he got hit by a swinging chain with a hook on it that hit him right side of the head really hard He had a hard hat on but his brain got sloshed over and had a huge concussion And he went to the hospital. He's in the hospital for like a week and they tell him He's gotta go home you can't work for like three weeks, right? So he goes home it goes back to his apartment He's making himself a sandwich is sitting down eat it all sudden. You see he's like this translucent humanoid Walking by it and he's like what the hell and then he sees another one in his apartment and They kind of interact with each other and pretty soon one of them notices that he's noticing them

32:31 And so they both come and start looking at him like he's some kind of weird creature, right? Like what you can see us. Right. And he got totally freaked out. He completely ignored them and as they got healed they slowly faded out but what is a concussion your brain is plasma So concussion is when that plasma gets slammed up now You've got like a hole in your plasma right for at least until he heals. Right? And that's what happened to him, he saw the plasma world that he couldn't see before and he didn't want to see it anymore believe me while really happy they faded out. Yeah I can imagine so yes this plasma context and the cyclical cataclysm contexts obviously they have huge overlaps but

33:18 they make sense of so many little threads. I even think about Gobekli Tepe and they say, well why was it buried intentionally? Well if it was an early version of a cathedral type thing that actually did have a sky clock in it that kind of showed hey be ready for this then of course these people would have buried it your book also goes on to talk about the idea of the crusades or the inquisition and the brutal destruction of the Cathars and the indigenous cultures that's, the inquisition came across. You know all this stuff it's a new context for

33:55 why that would happen because it wasn't just to convert people to Christianity. It was like, well we're going to create a new myth for humanity or at least the West and we got to remove all the indigenous people who remember the true nature of this system and how the cataclysm comes back around again so that context was really interesting but to add in a little more about The Cross So the cross points to, as you decoded Inca Cave in Cusco Peru. And when you got there, there is another cross it seems like maybe it was a replacement for some previous cross but there are massive tunnels there so when you start to learn about the massive tunnels they're kind of everywhere. So you could throw a dart on the map and probably find some tunnels underneath but it's still significant that you decode this cross it points to this area of Peru

34:49 And then here's an article I found yesterday on Columbia one dot com from just last year and it shows how far ahead you were on this. Inca Tunnel Network in Cusco, Peru. Scientists consult ancient texts for clues to its location The first clue as to the existence of the tunnels came from a chronicle about an anonymous Jesuit which dates back to the year 1600 According to this tome while a church had been built on the site A conscious effort had been made not to interfere with a deep pre-existing cave

35:25 that had been made by Inca kings. It was understood that this cave crossed the entire city of Cusco, one of the oldest cities in Peru manage it sounds like these scientists needed to have a copy of your book. Yeah they do but they know about it because I'll tell you what happened is the book came out and 2003 And then I got an invite to go back to Peru in 2007. So, I went to every single place where I knew there were openings for the tunnel system that had already been in and they're all guarded by armed guards – every one of them! I couldn't get into any of them anymore but if you're in Peru or Cusco... There is something that will kind of prove my point Go to the Temple of the Moon

36:11 Just ask one of your tour guides, it'll take you to it. I'm pretty sure you can see it and go in there and look at the walls They're perfectly straight It's perfectly sitting this what the tunnel systems are like so somebody and looks not like they're chiseled it looks frankly like heat to me looks like something got really hot and then pushed it out and And as exquisite work And that's what the tunnels are like. They're completely square and they're completely smooth, like some kind of heat was used on them and they go all the way... I've heard from Inca shamans that there is a tunnel that goes all the way from Lima to Cusco That's where they hid from Spanish, right? The Incas! They hid their wealth down in the tunnel system There is a famous story

37:04 a white woman married to an Indian, Incan-Indian. And she's just constantly berating her husband for not being useless and not having any money and all that. And then one night she gets woken up and he says I got to put a blindfold on you. So he puts the blindfold on or he takes her somewhere and then he takes off the blindfolds. She said this is incredible cave filled with gold and diamonds Everything and he said see I have money, you know He had money. And so he knew where the stash was right there probably all the days is time You know where that the stashes are there's not telling anybody right? There's another interesting story I like I think it's a Native American story that has a similar motif of white man married to a Native American and they were married long enough that he

37:55 He got brought in to hear some of the secrets and shown some of the underground tunnels. And it was like, if you ever talk about this there's dire consequences and he talked about it and they cut out his tongue. It's like sorry man we gotta protect our secrets! Yeah they do! It's so crazy but... To get more into this book I know it's been 20 years but The alchemist Fulcanelli, we should know a little bit more about him. He wrote this book the Mysteries of the Cathedrals in 1926 and then in a 1957 edition he added a chapter called the Cyclic Cross of Hende and this is where your story starts well This guy in particular We know that he wrote under a pseudonym some people don't think he's real

38:39 And you've told a story where the OSS, pre-CIA they went looking for him. They sent 30 agents to France trying to find him took one of his students and interrogated them pretty roughly for days on end I mean do we know who Fucinelli was? He represented a group of alchemists that wanted to get the secret out before they knew what time it was because they'd already been into the cross at Henday and they knew that it was now time to release really, the information that alchemy is real. That's all Mystery of the cathedrals does it just reveals that there really is alchemy. Whatever you heard about it wrong and And here's your symbols in the cathedrals and the cross of hindi to prove that It's real, and now you figure it out pretty much That's what the book is about and every

39:32 Every 20 words or so is italicized if you're reading the book I definitely do a deep dive now You got grok or whatever on every italicized word. If you do that, you will be Incredibly educated. I mean it that's and that's what I did. I didn't have AI or computer in I use library but anyway So all this stuff is all related. That's what so weird about it It's like Alchemists are using plasma in their experiments and Plasma is what caused the catastrophe and plasma is the great secret of alchemy? so focacnelli just really brought us the knowledge that it was all real and gave us the instruments to determine

40:18 how to investigate it. Now, the Cross of Hendays chapter came out in the 1957 edition and if the CIA has just spent the last 10 years or so in 1957 searching for your ass then all sudden you put out a new book with a new chapter do you think that's not going to cause some attention to be paid to that chapter? Of course it is! So what happens next? Oh, I don't know. 1958 is a geophysical year all of the sudden United Nations like pumping money like crazy into measuring everything on Earth

40:58 Everything, ocean depths, mountaintops. Everything everywhere going everywhere then in 1958 Oh that's when NASA got started oh yeah That's right and what was NASA's mission to do go out in outer space and look for artifacts of ancient civilizations It's right in their doctrine and who started NASA at the Navy, you know so over and over we see that there oh And then what happens in 1960 the Dumbs get started right the deep underground military bases begin digging They're clearly very concerned about something. Right? And it all starts after across of hende chapter comes out

41:39 Then all of a sudden there's a panic, super panic. And what it is that my dealings with Freemasons have always been really disappointing I had read all these really cool Freemasonic books from hundreds of years old and so, when I met freemason, I would have this amazing esoteric discussion. And all they met were businessmen and salesman you know that's all there were no esoteric knowledge at all! So my theory is that they had just lapsed into forgetting everything, not reading their own books and not looking into anything. And then when the Cross of Hende came out it was a total freakout!

42:19 Right somebody probably in deep in the Freemason world to hey, that's what this book over here Well was written and 1810 says right? And that's what this book over here It was written 300 years ago says and so they all start freaking out put money into geophysical year. They put money into Everything you know and everything that they could do and secret space program must not forget that That started in the late 50s also right it was a purpose of the Secret Space Program To get out of Dodge, right? To go somewhere away from the earth. Right so there is a whole thing is just so obvious when you look back at it and they're in full freakout and I'll tell you what after that book came out could get any wealthy I'm talking like hundreds of millions of dollars man to talk to me

43:14 They all wanted to talk to me. Everybody wanted to talk, what is this about? What's going on here because they're freaked out right about the whole thing But I don't really think it's going to happen anytime soon. I'm not really all that worried about the catastrophe happening within 100 years or so." Oh, okay! Because I have heard other interviews where you weren't quite as confident so i do want to talk about that because we often get into these subjects and people think it's something immediate and then if it's not immediate they just dismiss it entirely and I think That's a fallacy because you've even said that although World War II was very devastating, lots of people died. You kind of conclude that it was in part a cover for a series of missions by the Germans to Peru, Tibet, North Africa and Asia and Antarctica searching for something in almost desperate fashion like they knew the world was short-lived and they wanted an escape route. That's a quote from a previous interview but

44:11 But Hitler did visit Hende specifically, which I do find to be pretty interesting. And you've also said that in British English there's a little bit of wordplay there because usually they drop the h. So even henday is end day and it's like there's these little coded things. It's like a game of telephone where we're a little bit away from the original meaning, but not quite you can still reverse engineer it. And then what happens after N-day? It's hen day! It's the rebirth right? Right so the hen is laying the egg right? Rebirthing yeah

44:49 What? And you know, you do call this a season of catastrophe. And I like the season analogy that things go around. This is just a higher scaled up version of the seasons we experience on the planet. You say that the intelligence of the design is that well this happens to burn off all the bad and I liked the concept of that but then I have to ask what if the elite have got a monopoly on the information and they've got kind of a monopoly on the resources to avoid the cataclysm. It's almost like they jail broke the system, although this kind of a reset would certainly shake up any centralized control system you could say that in that regard like the elite are always building up to total global control and then this happens and we're all kinda back in the stone age and they might have an advantage to know it's coming into kind

45:43 get back on the surface and kind of restart their thing, but it definitely does throw a wrench in there. Little machine, but talk to us about that just the nature of it being a season and what it seems to be designed for and how you think it's gone in the past? And what might happen with this next round? Yeah. So th the Kali Yuga is like winter right? This is the depths of winters freezing gold out nothing works Everything's breaking because of the cold, especially if you live at 8000 feet like me. And that's what it's like and then the summer is the golden age right? And then in spring are the two intervening yugas and fall. You go through a whole

46:27 One catastrophe causes another catastrophe, causes another catastrophe. So that's how it works so you know will the elite survive? They're certainly trying to I know that what you're saying and but I don't know if i'd want to be underground with, suddenly there's this gigantic increase in temperature on the surface. Not sure you'd be protected that much and I'm pretty sure that the solar catastrophe is going to hit Mars too In fact that's the four planets around the angry sun those little stars. I believe that's Mercury Venus Earth and Mars

47:03 Right as the four inner planets the hard planets get hit by the solar storm. I heard Elon Musk Oh, we got to get tomorrow's because Mars won't get hit by the solar storm like dude talking about Of course it's going to get hit by it. Right? And you got no atmosphere there either, so what the hell! Another place where you have those lightning strike looking scars along its surface just like the Grand Canyon this is the plasma thing it's hitting everybody you can't get out of the way although you know you mentioned the Hopi story There are stories where the legend is being taken somewhere else and then brought back. And I don't want to distract too much from this idea of what might've happened with the last cataclysm, and this idea that they kind of get right back up to restarting civilization. They do seem to have a little bit of an advantage, don't you think? Oh yeah! Big advantage. So... um...I just don't think it's as easy

48:04 There's a lot of variables. Let's say you do have an opening in the mountain into a tunnel and you all go in there, what happens if there is a landslide? What happens when there is an earthquake and your opening is closed up but you are stuck Right. So you'd have to really think it out and I'm sure that they got the smartest guys on earth thinking about, you know like Dr Strangelove and They'll probably survive we will But maybe it's a good thing that they survived You know It's also let me let me see how I can put this there was a break in Freemasonry in the 1700s what happened is? Is that

48:51 The schism was between what I call the ones who actually know what alchemy is and the ones who don't know but think they know. Okay? And that one's that do no broke off and said, No we can have any more to do with these guys are not good people you can't do alchemy if you're an asshole way so they broke off from them and he went underground That's where Fulcinelli comes from, this group that went underground. And the other group became the Illuminati they took over the world in the 1700s that's when they took over the world and that was their goal and I think what happened is the first group found out the plans of the bad group and said holy crap we don't have nothing to do with this right? So this group lives underground

49:38 No, not underground literally but underground hidden from Us in civilization because they're worried that the other guys are gonna fight him and kill him Because they're looking for because why? Because the first group has a secrets of alchemy trees. I can live a long time Enlightenment and all that this other group wants to live a long time but they can't because their assholes so You know when the Alchemist would get arrested by the king and the King said give me the Give me the elixir of life. I want to live a long time. I'll come see you all I give it to here It's not gonna do you any good. You say why this gives you a creep? No, it's not going to work on ya right So right now This secret group this hidden group is contacts us through telepathic means

50:31 because that's the only way they can operate without getting caught. And so, they come into your certain people and they have a giant influence on them and they make things happen. Books fall on them that they didn't want them to read and suddenly doors are open you know? It all feels very mysterious to the person it's happening too But that's how they operate. Right now, they're operating on total overtime. They are in this the good guys are using the technology of the bad guys to spread the word about what this universe really is

51:11 and the war is really heating up, and the bad guys are feeling the heat. And they don't understand where this is all coming from how people can suddenly know things that they shouldn't know and all of that. That's where this is coming from It's like the universe responds to us, talks to us. If you know how to listen then uh...you will get a great advantage and I believe that i've been contacted by this group. Uh..I have a couple of very strange experiences where I believe I was contacted by this group and they want me to do everything I can to get all this shit out. Hmm! I love it

51:55 And I wanted to fold in just a little bit about the whole climate change agenda. So, in this context it does appear that it's a way to A explain changes to people that they'll see because you'll see these changes or this extreme weather if they're not making it themselves they can at least say C this is what you did and this is where we are so people aren't surprised by strange things that they might see, but also it allows them to profit from these changes because climate change comes with a lot of new rules and regulations. And it also allows them to limit people's lives and mobility so if on in the name of climate change you can't

52:37 travel because it produces too much CO2, well it also hurts your ability to survive this situation where they're going to have a whole different set of rules to get through. But talk to us a little bit about that do you think the climate change agenda and the way it came on the scene right at this point in time relates to the cycle and where we might be in? Think they're using climate change for many things one. Yeah to explain away the weird stuff that's gonna happen and it will happen As we go through cycles, and of course you're trying to make a lot of money off of it But the real reason they're doing climate change is so that you're living in perpetual fear now You're afraid of the weather get out. It's like You know, this is ridiculous I did a man on the street interview in 2000

53:24 And I went to this town and I was living in and my wife take microphone asked people stuff We interviewed this girl two girls that were probably 14 years old. So what do you think's gonna happen in 20 years? That was the question we're asking there Everybody will be underwater Everything will be flooded it was like holy crap here. We are twenty years later or two thousand yet twenty years later, and None of it happened, you know? And this is what these kids have been taught. So they're living in perpetual fear. They're 12 years old and completely terrified of the weather come on, you know? And so, uh, you know, just the archons doing their dirty work. Yes. I heard you say in an interview that was actually three years old, but I was looking for something along these lines, but you said when you're trying to assess where we are on the cycle

54:16 And how soon it might be really coming up. You really want to look at Canada's weather for warning signs? Do you still feel that way? Yeah, okay. I think you want it to be heating up or you want our was that what we're looking for is no, no colder for it to get so cold they can't grow food. Hmm. Yeah, that's what's going on. We're not going into heat we're going into cold grand solar minimum kind of stuff yeah we spent what how long was the ice age 300 000 years something like that I mean the norm is the ice age The last this warming that we've been going through is absolutely not the norm and it won't last. And there was a guy, he wrote a book about all of this. It was really good. He bought land in British Columbia. He's American. He brought land to British Columbia convinced that because of climate change in a couple years, he'd be able to grow grapes in British Columbia

55:14 And so he bought 100, 500 acres up there and got all those great ready waiting for the climate to change. And he's growing potatoes like that now and it never came right? This was 20 years ago. So it never came right? 20 years ago they were telling us that What was it global dimming or something that the sun was going to dim out on us and never happen? The problem when you get to be my age is, you remember all the right. All the scare tactics is like oh man I remember in the 1970's a cover of Time Magazine are we going into a new ice age yeah then 20 years later Oh climate change is heating up the world and

55:53 Well, it's like there is a cycle. There is change but it's at such a long arc that they kind of just use it to keep your mind occupied and waste the life you do have here. Yeah but there is a 400 year cycle There's many cycles within this larger cycle. There is a 400-year cycle, 1600 the weather started warming up in Europe again it was cold until that 400 years before that 1200 when the cathars are out and the weather was nice and And then 400 years before that, you just keep going back and back. End of Rome is 400 years before that. Four hundred year before that is the turn of the century and Roman Empire being built in Julius Caesar four hundred years before that. So you see there's some kind of cycle going That's a four hundred-year cycle within the larger twelve thousand-year cycle. Mm hmm. It's very strange We're in one of those four hundreds right now

56:49 We're right now in there and I don't know what's going to happen with that one. So, there's... Right now we're really at the crux of about four cycles for these mini-cycles With the larger cycle. Okay, that's why everybody is freaking out and going crazy. We manifested for the big show it seems before we go I just wanted to touch on some of your other work and recent stuff you put out a clockwork shining Kubrick's Odyssey three well what does that add to the stack? Of the first two So it's on Amazon, by the way folks if you want to get it. I think it's only like a buck 50 but so Clockwork Shining is about how The Shining with Jack Nicholson is really about MKUltra program

57:40 and that the whole, that the overlook is like the United States and Jack is the MKUltra victim. And a program was trying to get Jack to kill his family. That's the whole point of the program. All through the movie are MKUltra symbols slipped into the movie which when I first saw it, had no idea. It was only now later that I've studied MKUltra did I figure it out that oh my God! That's why he put that in there and well that's why you put that in there and things that didn't make sense in the show yes is still about moon landing and all of that which is a MKUltra operation by the way but that Kubrick was telling us about several different MKUltra operations

58:29 Shelley Duvall's reading Catcher in the Rye at the very beginning of the movie. Well, Catcher in the Rye was written by J.D. Salinger who is an OSS agent and it's a... The whole book is about how the Freemasons are taking over the world! He calls them Egyptians in the book but it's clear that the hero of the book Holden Caulfield is a Freemason And he has a people-killing hat that he puts on. So when he wants to kill people, he puts his hat on and the whole book is just... so we do that We pull that out which talk about that and then other symbols and things that happen all through the movie are directly related To MKUltra and don't forget Kubrick made A Clockwork Orange ten years earlier Which was about mind control

59:20 So I watched the trailer for a clockwork shining and yeah catcher in the rye we know that has been used for programming assassins before at least twice. Hinkley had it on him and then there was another one who also had a job at david chapman shot glennon chapman i think im messing that up chapman is the one who had it and there is another one No, no Hinkley was really he shot Vegas. They reuse the same script so many times I can't keep it straight But then also in the trailer you show that there is a poster that just says monarch and big letters And it's like Oh project Monarch very related clearly that's in there for a reason Yeah We interviewed Kathy O'Brien in the movie and she was a victim of Project Monarch There you go

1:00:02 And I also wanted to at least touch on Darcy Weir's latest documentary, Dark Alliance. The inside story of the cosmic con largely about David Wilcock and Corey Goode and this big dust up with Gaia TV when you were the head of programming and there were lawsuits involved in all this stuff. I definitely saw that from afar instead stayed far away from it but it seems like that's the final word on the whole story and everything Well, tell people a little bit about that your involvement in it and what's the end of that story is so David Wilcock had to show on guy called wisdom teaching and We had a rule of Gaia that all hosts of all the shows all got paid the same Because we knew they talked each other if I was getting more than the other would be big fight Yeah So everybody got played the same and he came to me. So I need a raise and I said can't give you a race

1:00:52 I said because you have to make the same as everybody else. Sorry, that's the way it is And he said oh shit need to know what to do and then finally I thought about it for a few days I came back and so you could start another show and then you get save pay But maybe twice today and he says that's a great idea So we worked out how we tried two or three different things None of them really worked and it looks like wasn't enough It wasn't gonna go couldn't find another subject matter that would make it exciting enough to get in our audience And then one day I get told by David that he's met the insider's insider and he wants to do a show with it. I'm like, oh boy so then i say okay we'll bring him in and we'll meet him So he comes in and it's Cory Good and Cory Good tells us that he's been in the secret space program for 20 years and uh He's been on Mars and the moon

1:01:42 hit with the reptilians and you know, I'm with my boss. We're both listening to this and yeah, but my boss really liked it. You know he thought it was great So we did a show, Cosmic Secret or Cosmic Disclosure. And the company Gaia threw their weight behind it was the only show that I produced on Gaia that literally the entire company got thrown its weight behind it so became a huge hit gigantic hit this show had been going on and my boss was really the guy who was the producer I really just set up the cameras and the lights and mics, and everything. And made sure it all ran well so i wasn't really charged with content but i was watching the content! As the content went on and on, I got more and more like what the heck? Then finally I caught Corey in a couple of

1:02:35 errors, you might say. Where he had said something that I knew had been broadcast by someone else a week earlier right and now he was using that verbatim saying it and i confronted him. I took my computer with the camera and went right out into the studio said You got this from here! And gearing in the headlights and everything so anyway to make a long story short Decided to quit producing the show I did quite enough of it after two years and somebody else took over and then six months after And I warned everybody that guy. I sat on the manager board And I said this is going to damage this company like no tomorrow that dude is radioactive We need find a way out of this, right? as I know they all heard me and They laughed at me and they thought I was silly

1:03:28 Two weeks later, David Wilcock writes a 21-page resignation letter calling everybody a guy elusive or Lucifer. Then Corey begins a three year campaign against Gaia driving down its stock from $30 a share to five dollars a share And he's going all over the internet and he's doing everything you can to destroy Gaia. Not realizing of course, now knows this that we treated him better than anybody else! He went to all other producers after he left Gaia got crapped on. The distributors destroyed him they all lied to him I'm telling the whole time he was a guy You have no idea dude how good you got it? I've been in showbiz for 40 years

1:04:10 That place is a jungle. And so then eventually I found out that he was doxing people with his little cadre of people and they were doxing people that were my friends And so I went public, got a YouTube show Reality Check and I went after him. And I said that I told all the lies he had told and how you ripped off my film The Last Avatar... ...and it went on and on and then he wrote me an email saying that he was going to sue me steal all of my money and crush me into the ground

1:04:48 That was in 2019 and 2020. He sued me the same week that the lockdown happened, I got a $5 million lawsuit with Cliff High and a chanter and Gaia, and one other person. I couldn't understand why he was suing this other person after $50,000 in lawyer fees it got dismissed in April 24th and April 1st 2024 now Gaia has a gigantic lawsuit against him they've tried to settle but Corey can't settle because Gaia very likely is going to take his hide and Corey if you're listening

1:05:29 i can tell you, I have not talked to guy in years but I know a lot. I can tell you they got something on you dude! You should just give up...I mean it! They're gonna take it all the way because I know your stubborn criminal. Man well I appreciate you laying that out and I know you get asked about it and people love the little dramas David will cock in this story is one of the very few things i said no to covering cuz it just seemed like a bridge too far to me and I know that makes me look like a hypocrite because people can look at the 15 year history my dude you've covered a lot of really crazy out there weird stuff yeah that was something you thought was too much and it wasn't that

1:06:09 it was too much i mean the twenty and back thing is too much to me i don't understand why they would take people have them work in a secret space program off planet and then bring you back into a body and d h u twenty years that just kill those people if they really wanted to course but They were so afraid the secrets would get out. Right, it was more about just the sliminess of the thing and like maybe maybe the fact that it just seemed like a red herring and it was so popular that I was like, oh no, I'm gonna not do this one but I don't know, I just appreciate you saying so and I know you get into a lot of stuff and we have to be open-minded but also somewhat critical because we know they're lying to us, we just don't know what degree so... That's right take everything with a large grain of salt Yes

1:06:53 And with that, I mean it was great to talk to you again after a decade. I'm glad we're both still kicking and doing our thing but I know you have a lot of irons in the fire do leave people with your links and anything else they should know about coming down the pike? Yeah, I have a seven part series of shot as I'll call it The Invisible Universe is about the plasma universe and it's got Robert Temple all sorts of big wigs in it It's gonna be great. I'll have that out by the end of year I hope Amazing So yeah, jwidener.com sacredmysteries.com Yep and reality check on YouTube Love it awesome well again glad we could talk and I love this story of the cross at Henday I know it's going back 20 years for you But it's a little fresh for me And it does seem to be the most important story we can tell so thank you for doing it and take care All right man thanks

1:07:52 And boom goes the dynamite guys, the return of the great Jay Widener. I will be honest, I put Jay in a pretty high category of people that I have liked in this field over the years but the Cory Good David Wilcock days were a big turnoff and I'm glad we could fit in a little bit about that at the end. I'm glad he's distancing himself maybe should have done it sooner happy it happened at all And forgive me if I sound a little bit sick, it's because I am. I got sick in summer unvaccinated. I don't know how this could happen my EMF environment isn't that bad? I've been getting sunlight not eating terribly. I'm a little pissed but the show must go on and uh i would say based on what I just said yeah now I'm thinking about it you can find obviously things in the THC archive that are level 11 over-the-top wild just like the Cory Good stuff

1:08:48 So to even be super critical of that probably makes me look like a hypocrite, but I just know that ridiculous stuff is seated in this culture to distract us and get us caught up on false narratives. That is what his material always felt like to me. Even if we interview some rogue researchers who have wild conclusions, to me that's different than something that seems seeded it seems to have inauthentic inorganic momentum Like that's an op! That's a little different I can entertain a guy like Howdy Makowski or J Dreamers because i still think they're independent researchers who maybe just go pretty far with it

1:09:32 Is the distinction making sense? Does it even matter anyway and David Wilcock man you will not hear me use the term grifter very often but saying that he's a reincarnated version of Edgar Cayce to his crying on air in that interview I think it was coast-to-coast because his life was in danger and then the Cory Good stuff, and then he made a full-on QAnon documentary. So he really is the definition of someone who jumps to whatever is trendy and doesn't really have much of his own thing. And David Wilcock fans will be screaming into their phones right now because he does have some pretty wild deep books like The Source Code but I said what I said! And I've also said this before but there's really only two

1:10:23 high level people I turned down for the show in 15 years. And when I say high level, I mean episodes that I know would have gotten views but just didn't feel right to me and that's David Wilcock and Roger stone. It's funny to see so many comedy podcasts interviewing Trump and JD Vance and Kosh Patel even a little bit of Steve Bannon getting around making the rounds well Just anyone connected to the administration because to me I like being counterculture. I like being on the outside talking about what's going on, on the inside. I wouldn't want to get too cozy with the insiders because the nature of interviews is largely going to be friendly. I can't help it be friendly and i'm not a very controversial person despite the material that we talk about but i'm not confrontational either and so you get in this situation where you're just gonna look soft and naive

1:11:22 if you're not willing to ask the insiders the really tough stuff and if you ask them the really tough stuff they'll probably just say well, you can't air that interview anyway or we'll sue you. Easier just to talk about them than to be sitting down with him I guess but irrelevant either way big Jay Widener fan can't believe this cross-ehenday work completely got overshadowed by the Kubrick work and the Archon stuff in the early days But I guess i was 29 when we last spoke so, I just don't think I saw the value in something like The Cross of Henday work. as i do today even cyclical cataclysm that's a big theme these days it really wasn't back in the day maybe i mean pre-2012 sure but, i guess uh maybe we're just going through that again you know just that mindset is resurging but. I also was gonna mention that yeah it is a little unfortunate that he kicked off with the voyager anecdote because i also definitely do not think we can maintain contact with something like that

1:12:27 I know i'm not alone in wishing he didn't go there especially so early we can even keep a phone call going and tunnel or elevator so. Save it with this thing of us getting signals from far out in space, from something we sent up in the 1970s. The heliosphere they say is this protective bubble of the entire solar system and we're all inside of it, all the planets so you send this 1970's technology probe out of that bubble and it still works? You don't even know what's outside of that bubble really or maybe even what's inside

1:13:07 How are you going to plan for something that still works 50 years later through all sorts of foreign materials, foreign types of radiation? Heat. Extreme cold. Come on! But like John Perkins saying that defunding USAID is a shame and vaccines are saving lives in indigenous South American tribes, sometimes we just go with it and let them say their thing so we can get to the actual good stuff. A person is here to talk about like talking about the cathedrals as not originally just Catholic buildings but alchemical vessels

1:13:45 Here are actually some images from the book showing the tree of life overlaid with the front facings of some of these cathedrals. Pretty interesting! I expected to talk a lot more about Fucinelli and i actually bought the book in question but he summed it up pretty well, in terms of what was relevant and i also wanted to mention the missing 411 stuff we did touch on that if i can remember correctly sometimes the research i do the preparation i do listening to a guest talk a bunch of times and then we goes by like did they say that on my show am i just remember them saying that somewhere else but. We did touch on it i'm pretty sure what i wanted add in david politis books that i've read its very common for people to say they felt a weird static in the air or smelled something weird or even described hearing about crackling sound,

1:14:43 Maybe these are portals opening up in the landscape. Hard to know for sure, last time I talked to David I think he emphasized the big boulders being nearby often and Jay looped that in too. Stone gates in a sense some plasma relationship with stone wild stuff So great first hour, great second hour for the plus people. We talked a lot more about the details of potential resets especially in North America while these empty streets and landscape photos of entire cities we talked about the orphan trains and the repopulation motifs life death in the plasma body I thought he really knew that well do not cremate your loved ones folks

1:15:27 We got deeper into the cathedrals, Tibet and the underground civilizations. Rosicrucians again I swear! I'm not even trying to bring them up into every interview it just keeps happening so sign up for PLUS if you want more show it's the only funding mechanism of this show and it's the most honest if you ask me okay So let's get back to the repopulation of North America thing and the orphan trains. I love that we have video now just for this reason, because when it comes to wanting to show you video, it's almost always been about those postcards. So I think we talked about in The Plus Show so for free listeners is maybe doesn't make a lot of sense although the context of repopulation and resets It was what the whole show was about but this particular thread

1:16:15 goes like this so there were a lot of orphans in the late eighteen hundreds some say there's a good reason for that some say. Mass vaccination gone wrong some say european just wanted to send their kids off to america for a chance at better life whatever the reason another one people throughout is i mean war there was no more empire and whole battle there, Yeah, I guess a lot of adults could have died. But whatever the reason there were a lot of unaccounted for children and then you have these postcards many are French and i guess it could be just a weird sensibility of the time quirky humor but it feels like a little more than that so

1:16:56 The suggestion the alternative suggestion is that they were growing or cloning babies at that time and then using them to populate areas that had all the people. Wiped out for the building still standing maybe from some kind of cataclysm they weren't even aware of maybe these cities have had buildings empty for a decade plus in there just sending people out to him, It's hard to know anything, but the reason I think this is deeper than just a jokey postcard thing is because of the Cabbage Patch Kids brand in the 80s. Why did that emerge? Why was it so popular? Well, I looked up the founder of Cabbage Patch Dolls and it was some guy who got notoriety for their interesting aesthetic design

1:17:43 Which he actually ripped off from some woman and then got sued. That's not important, he called them little people they weren't called cabbage patch dolls until they were sold to a company called... Calico or Kaleco I believe it is because gamers might remember the term Kaleco vision. It was an early gaming system that competed with Atari but Kaleco Industries according to Wikipedia, was an American company founded in 1932 by Maurice Greenberg of the Connecticut Leather Company So now we don't have this huge leap from the eighteen hundreds to nineteen eighty when we remember the cabbage patch. Kids brand being popular now roll out closer to a person who might know what this was about my remember these old postcards and some potential operation from that time,

1:18:40 because the guy formed this company in the 1930s. So maybe he saw the greater significance and Maurice Greenberg, there are several historically significant guys with that name and The One We Want doesn't have a Wikipedia page but apparently he was a Russian Jewish immigrant so do the Russian Jews know a little bit about this cloning thing? Hard to say I saw this comment on a thread about the Cabbage Patch Kids too. I thought it was worth reading, but somebody says my grandfather told me that his grandfather was dropped off on the porch to the family in the early 1850's. I never thought much about it until I heard this Cabbage Patch Theory. It really had me wondering if his grandfather was one of these Cabbage Patch Babies

1:19:26 And yeah i think a lot of families have these stories of a member of their family kind of just integrating it wasn't all so close to the car family trees were little more open in the past because things would happen two adults and kids needed be cared for, could be related on no lot of things happened war poverty. but it is a provocative rabbit hole to go down and we've been done in a couple times I'm sure you guys know. But good interview with Jay he is a pro no doubt and higher side news seems like the transcript archive is done, we're still working out the kinks of having that two sites talk to each other to verify memberships but

1:20:07 We're very, very close and it should show up in the next couple of days on the website for $12 tier members. And you'll see a button right under the video that will take you there. So the way we've structured it is, there's just a box that is for the $12 people and that box contains the video episode and this button And uh... You know I've been kind of playing around with it It is very slick and it breathes a lot of new life into the archive and I just want to get it working! Then if we open it up for 30 days For all the current regular Plus members like I wanted to do initially That's great

1:20:47 Um, cause it is important that people see what they're asked to sign up for before they sign up for it. Although the video episodes I think really is the main draw, but either way that is about it around here. I am sorry that that functionality is late kind of out of my hands, but let's also move on to the last interview with Matthew Aritz and the response from it very mixed as I expected I actually think it was so detail dense that some listeners struggled to actually understand what was going on when some of the comments just didn't make sense to me. The reactions I got back, one of them was that I interrupted way too much which I kind of disagree with. I let him go for 10 or 15 minutes at a time and didn't say anything and the core questions were still not addressed in a couple of cases

1:21:41 And then there were some people that said me pushing back is a bad look or i should open my mind more to what the guest was saying. And that is where I wonder if they truly understand who had the closed mind. To clarify, Matthew does not think the Oracle of Delphi or the Sybils had any actual psychic talent at all He thinks it was all smoke and mirrors mixed with different forms of abuse he doesn't think Tesla was just a paper cutout character he thinks there is no alternative energy field at all

1:22:18 He doesn't just think that the occultists run the world because they have a monopoly on occult power. He thinks the occult and magic is just kind of fake, he thinks it's all Siegfried and Roy David Blaine style illusions. He doesn't think there's any real reality to the paranormal or abductions or anything like that. And this is obviously the stuff I'm pushing back on You know he can recite all the history and names and dates that he wants and he is very very talented in that regard, any great speaker there's a lot that i like man i wish i was that good i wish i had that recall.

1:22:59 But to say that anything in the metaphysical paranormal esoteric box is an illusion or that most of it is, I guess he leaves the door cracked open barely with that anecdote he gave. He doesn't think there's a reality to it so that to me as a big thing you're so close to materialist when that's like kind of something that almost all of our guests are past but Either way, to say it's all an illusion and a Rosicrucian cult just trying to promote a fake paradigm I think goes too far. And I would imagine many of you feel the same. I would suggest he read Dean Radin's Real Magic or Lynn McTaggart's Power Of Eight for a start. Honestly, I'm mentally tortured enough over that episode that I just kind of want to move on from thinking about it because from the moment it was recorded...I mean even while

1:23:57 I am not doing very good here, but the plus rating clocked in at 3.7, the lowest in a very long time! I'm sure part of that is me but I know part of it is him not directly answering the questions and some of the data that he would go to and cite and then this attitude that nothing metaphysical's real I'm just going to take the L and move on, and i've got the next three recorded already. And I'm very pleased with them so onward and upward I say! I imagine this one today that I'm releasing will be received way more favorably

1:24:36 But alright, two down for July. Three to go meetup calendar incoming let's see where the listeners are having their THC events we're jumping all the way down to July 16th Ontario Ranch California at Brew Haven and then also July 16th New Haven Connecticut there is a meetup at Nolo And July 20th we got Centralia Washington, pubs, sports bar and grill I'm pretty sure that's new. Colorado Springs also on July 20 at the Crooked Q. July 21st Gail Braths Alehouse Eden Terrence Auckland New Zealand you know it is happening

1:25:17 And then August 1st, Bentonville Arkansas Danger Daves another new one and Astoria Oregon at the Astoria Brewing Company on August 8th. So awesome! Glad to see the calendar is getting some use it is there for you to expand your network and get offline a bit and have real world interactions with like-minded locals Take advantage of it at thehiresideshots.com but that is really it! Jay again crushes it every time, big thanks thankfully he took me up on this offer to talk about such old work It doesn't always happen I hope he sells some books over it But that is it...I've done my part Your move Cathedral Co-opters Cross of Hende Heiders and Cyclical Cataclysm Deniers You're fuckin'

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