Jay Dyer | Esoteric Hollywood 3, Movie Mind Control, & The Hero’s Journey

00:00 The planet's puppet masters all most surely have a plan There is clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of men And until we've thoroughly tested every last closed chested view I'll find them all Without T.A.C., cause we know lying to us just don't know to what degree Why? Without T.A.C.? Why? It's a chess show! Greg Conn and company

00:44 Lights, camera action people. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and there is a real awakening when you realize that so many of the movies and films we grew up with were not just made for the sake of entertainment but most actually contain subliminal messaging hidden symbolism and narrative content designed to influence your thoughts and feelings on a number of real-world subjects And it goes deeper still wouldn't ya know when you consider the origins of Hollywood itself how it got its name and how the whole industry seems to have developed out of a knowledge that true magic is the ability to affect the primordial substrate of reality, and psychically drive your agenda past the conscious mind embedding your manipulative messages deep into the subconscious. And if that seems far-fetched consider that coincidentally engaging with most screen and media technology engineers in its audience the exact brainwave states one would need to be in for maximum effect

01:39 Well, some of my favorite THC episodes in the archives center around film analysis and sussing out the subtle details and little magic tricks we missed in the many movies we've seen over the years. And one of the go-to guys for that is our man author comedian theologian and pop culture critic Jay Dyer! He seems more active than ever these days as a writer for The Sam Hyde Show and co-creator co presenter of the show Hollywood Decoded with Jay Widener, as well being very active on his YouTube channel Of course, you can always find all things Jay Dyer on his website jaysanalysis.com We have done the dance three times before going all the way back to 2015 Always focused on that 35mm magic and the wizards wielding the Hollywood

02:24 where we covered in those interviews his first two books, Esoteric Hollywood 1 and 2. But he recently completed the trilogy with Esoteric Hollywood 3 and I look forward to getting into it again The Movie Magic Trick Detector Mass Mind Control Machine Exposer And Film Industry Deconstructor Jay After Six Long Years Welcome Back Thanks Greg it's good. It's good to be back with you uh, it doesn't seem like a decade but I remember the first interview we talked about sci-fi aluminum and predict the programming and science fiction and it's good to be back ten years later with the completion of the trilogy and I appreciate you having me back. Of course man, you know i got one in two right here and I believe they're both autographed and then three I got on Kindle and I didn't think I was ADD like that but something doesn't feel right about the too physical and then the digital... It's all fucked up

03:18 but hopefully this is gonna be a nice reunion. So you do spend a lot of the intro of this third installment talking about Dave McGowan and his book, Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon, Laurel Canyon coverups and the dark heart of the hippie dream. And a big aspect of that is Lookout Mountain Laboratory which was one of the largest film production studios of its day run by the Air Force I think Jared Leto now owns it But you've actually been up there and have at least seen it from the outside in person right yeah we took a trip there when i think the second one came out as her collie would two twenty eighteen and we do road trip. I went to la and we drove up there check it out and you can kind of see from the road no some old air force memorabilia that he left coming in the grotto up their but a lot of you can't really see is pretty high fence but we were trying to

04:15 To creep on Jared Leto or see him using the bathroom and other we were just checking it out. But yeah, it's up Wonderland Avenue. It's a really there's a lot of lore behind that area with with in a mahalan drive and all that kind of stuff and Manson murder chilo drives all pretty closely connected to that same strip there but this was the most prominent you know, technologically speaking theater and film operation of its time. So we had a lot of the major directors and producers and A-list actors who had access to this high tech Air Force studio throughout the 40s 50s 60s period And most people didn't know about this everybody knows about Warner Brothers or Paramount or whatever The big studios but they didn't know there was a secret high tech facility that actually was behind filming

05:05 the Trinity site, you know the different hydrogen bomb atom bomb videos that you see those are actually filmed and put together at Wonderland Studios. So Marilyn Monroe had access to it Walt Disney had access to it Jimmy Stewart there's actually you can find archive footage of Jimmy Stewart there so You know it's interesting because I think when I wrote either the first one thing in the second one I just read Dave's book And i most of the second book written and i realized that we're seeing so the canyon was so relevant that had to go back and kind add in some stuff in the part two so i started again in par three just because i think it's such a powerful proof. Of kinda the overall thesis of this connection between,

05:49 a list actors hollywood in the deep state and so on the third one i also stuck some stuff in there about previous a list actors that were legit legitimately spies you know like literal spies so yeah I felt like around it out pretty good but uh yeah, glad you look to the third one did you get to that chapter about the Hollywood spies Yeah, yeah. I read it all in fact i got a question about someone im really surprised is considered to spy but we'll get to that. So with this facility you go on the say is this where the atomic bomb footage was filmed and so called moon landings which are good questions

06:26 I was going to ask you if we knew for sure anything that had actually been filmed there, but you're saying the Trinity tests. In the book you frame it as a question but you seem pretty confident that they were filmed there now? Well this was years ago when i found it and I want to say it was like an archival government site But I've never been able to find that website again And it detailed the history of the Trinity site footage So that's probably why I framed it as a question because I try to approach it from a somewhat scholarly approach. I don't like the, you know source it unless I'm sure and I have a reference for it so that's probably why frame there is a question but I do recall there was a website that had a history of that but I wasn't sure about yeah I don't know about exactly where the moon landing stuff was processed but regardless you can find archive footage which I think is still on YouTube or you have Jimmy Stewart

07:20 being filmed doing a lot of promo stuff for the FBI. And he was in a couple movies, one of which is the FBI story which was just open Hollywood FBI propaganda So, you know at that time it was seen as just part of patriotism right to film this kind of stuff. I don't think they saw it as something nefarious or conspiratorial but yeah we can confirm a lot of those things nowadays but for example in the National Archives have recently declassified certain actors and actresses who were known to be spies so you know, over time a lot of this stuff gets vindicated. And I would say on the whole most of the most not always but most of the time that conspiracy theorists as with most things we end up being vindicated because it ends up eventually coming out right? Right. So you also write in the intro how this one is different from the first to let people know given the elevator pitch why this third one exists or what it does differently than the first two well the first one was centered around directors and it was a very uh

08:21 Long essay style approach to different films. So there's like 60 or 70 pages of Kubrick, there's 60-70 pages of Hitchcock and Spielberg so it's kind of focused around directors and I don't even remember...I think I just did that because I think back then you know 10 years ago There was a lot of people analyzing Kubrick films online It was very popular thing to do So I probably thought about that one. The next one, I thought well we'll do a little bit different so organize it thematically with Hollywood and organized crime in Hollywood and spy agencies in Hollywood and terrorism propaganda that was a lot more prevalent back in 2017 although we still have quite a bit of that even today but then nothing with the third one there were so many movies that never got to shows that were really important really packed with esoteric occult symbology

09:13 You know true detective I had so many people saying over the years when are you gonna? You know analyze some Christopher Nolan films, you know. You've done all these directors from 50 years ago and you Know we people don't really watch Hitchcock as much as they used to or maybe maybe even uh, you know Spielberg As much as they used to so what's a more contemporary director will probably the most famous contemporary director is Christopher Nolan So I thought why not stick him in there? I had a lot of people saying hey When are you going to talk about you know Superheroes, that's dominated blockbusters for the last 20 years has been these superhero films. I know you've had, I think was his name Christopher Knowles? Yeah. You've had him on talking about our God's worst spandex and all that so I felt like it needed to be done and also most of one into when I put those in the book they were already written

10:05 A lot of part three was not written, I would say about half of it is new. And also took a new approach to putting more movies in so rather than like 20 page essays on one movie It's more so like three or four page essays on a lot more movies. Yes, I did notice that and some of those themes are super interesting. Let's jump to the spy thing because one of those people is Harry Houdini which you say kind of came from weird scenes that somewhere in there Dave McGowan exposed Harry Houdini his connection to Laurel Canyon and his role as a spy for Scotland yard. I mean, I don't know if I've ever heard this. I don't remember that. I read the book

10:44 a while back but I don't remember that. What's this deal with Houdini being a spy? It seems like every household name has some kind of sketchy connection somewhere. Well, you know the connection goes way back and there is an older tradition of actors and actresses being used for other purposes you know, actresses for example used to be prostitutes a long time ago. So this idea of having multiple jobs for that role is not new it's an old idea but if you go back to like the British Renaissance period you had actors and actresses who did espionage work as well so its kind of a British tradition you could say but then Houdini I think the sleight-of-hand techniques that he had

11:31 I think they already kind of saw that as something that could potentially be used in the espionage world. You know, for example if you're a good lockpicker then you can probably get out of some sticky situation or something like that. Also if your famous then right away like your gonna have more doors open up to you than just a normie right? just some random dude if you're famous you gonna be meeting perhaps other foreign leaders dignitaries other celebrities so you become a very natural ally to the confidential informants by world i think they saw that with uh... with houdini I'm not a huge

12:10 you know historian of houdini i don't know a lot about his life other than what david mcgowan talked about but i do have another book that talks about the history of the c.a using and studying stage magic and slide of hands so they've also brought in people like david copperfield and those kinds of high profile magicians to teach this year different techniques that could be used perhaps even spy craft So that's, that's actually been a long time connection as well. But it's not just the CIA. It actually goes way back as you said to Houdini. Well Dave McGowan is a good guy to open the book, the intro with because he's got this thing where he shows how so many people, so many musicians in the sixties counterculture had parents that were military intelligence or just in the milieu makes you wonder what's going on there at the Jim Morrison thing and obviously there's other examples

13:04 But when it becomes like 75% of the major acts of an entire genre, You got a think the whole thing is an operation so you know there's a parallel here to film and movies as well so i think it's a great way. Open if we're gonna go through just generally some of the spy list, so maybe who dns in their jimmy stewart sender i think today we might say ben affleck is in their what he harrelson dad i think was supposed to be some kind of assassin for intelligence yeah exactly who else would you put there maybe people who are actually alive and active or just whoever you got for the spy list. The dual use list right well going back to the silver screen old classic of hollywood josephine baker, the dancer singer she was involved in

13:57 spying for the French resistance as was Catherine Hepburn's daughter Audrey Hepburn. She spied for the for the anti-nazi resistance you had Marlene Dietrich who many people thought was a German Nazi spy but she was actually trying to be a spy for the OSS and it was it's unclear whether she ever actually Was but Cary Grant he informed for the OSS that on other people in Hollywood that might have supposedly been Nazi sympathizers like Errol Flynn. So, people thought Errol Flynn might be a Nazi spy and so they asked Cary Grant to inform on him. Sterling Hayden the famous A-Lister was an OSS spy kind of a war hero John Ford the famous director

14:43 also made documentaries and won his award through the aid and help of the OSS. So that's the wartime predecessor to the CIA, so 1942-47 you have the OSS and that becomes the CIA in 1947 out of that original British intelligence created organization And more recently, you know, you've had people like Nicholas... Ben Affleck openly working with the CIA to make several films and he's publicly put out or at least there was for your request for public memos talking about his movies being made in concert with the c.a particularly are go on you have other films like zero dark thirty being made openly with a c.i.a consultation and aid

15:30 Jennifer Garner, also again close connection there to Ben Affleck obviously who worked with propaganda for the CIA. So whether or not she had some role as an operative I don't know but Claire Danes you know with her show Homeland and with Affleck and Matt Damon those characters they usually kind of have a pretty public relationship with the agency And then some people have a little more speculative ideas about people like George Clooney, who's had worked with the CIA as well for a long time in film productions. But even beyond that, Clooney and Angelina Jolie are open members of the Council on Foreign Relations so they actually go to CFR meetings they participate they're involved in you know United Nations organization type stuff So that they're more openly affiliated and working with globalization at that level perhaps even beyond just CIA-type stuff but yeah it's very I think now kind

16:30 well known thing but you know when we go back ten years ago even when i was researching the stuff for when i was looking at the seven grad school like this is just seem to be totally crazy ten full had stuff, but i saw a clip the other day where george clinton was on one of that late night shows maybe jimmy kimmel or something and. They were asking him about how he met his wife, Amal or whatever her name is. And he was like yeah well you know I was there with some agencies and she was helping to draft the Europe... Egypt's new constitution for the Muslim Brotherhood Hello like you're only doing that, you know if you're working at some kind of high, you know intelligence level But yeah That's that's the reality of the world that we live in is that these agencies and these supposed You know things that you would think are totally disconnected like Hollywood or even the NSA or the FBI? It's not just a CIA. There's no FBI there's the Mossad all of these different agencies have a really close connection to

17:27 to Hollywood film production. For example, a lot of TV shows or movies that you think about that will say portray the FBI in a really important light like The X-Files or something like that those can also be kind of soft forms of propaganda or you might have those agencies also making a deal Fun did partially funded or loan out or allow certain things happen if the script portrays them you know in a positive way when you think about ben affleck and argo insane while he worked with intelligence of course no it's an intelligence. Related movie but people don't think about the extent of that and the narrative control that goes into it and framing everything exactly how the CIA or FBI wants it framed. One thing I worry about, not worry about really but I wonder about is Leo DiCaprio because some of his movies relate to narrative control of certain things and biopics

18:28 I guess recently what i think is so curious as i've seen not only. A video clip of him when he was quite young being kind of manhandled by a director, casually on camera but then there's also photo i saw pop up where is in like a giant bed at the ditty party and he looks young I mean maybe leo always looked young but he looks pretty young and he's on his bed with these four dudes wearing white. It's like man maybe this is one of those things where You get passed around for a while and then if you can keep your mouth shut you get to be movie star yeah i mean nothing we've seen the last several years more come out about that practice that it's a lot more prevalent than we thought so wouldn't be surprised i haven't really looked into leo himself in terms of his background. Really in the fourth book or third book,

19:22 This was really the first time that I kind of went into the foray of certain actors themselves. We talked about it a little bit maybe in the first and second one, but I brought up Cary Grant who was one of the first people for example to do LSD he was doing an LSD before any of the 60's people were so there is some kinda little nuggets like that And I may be mentioned some stuff with Julia Child being she was an OSO spy as well being a famous TV chef So there's some precedents for that kind of stuff. But this was really the only chapter, I think in the trilogy where I went into specific people and their relationships but another example would be Tom Cruise. You know Tom Cruise has a long time connection obviously to Scientology but right after 9-11 there were some interesting news stories that came out in mainstream media about him forming an alliance with the CIA to help promote America's national security and make certain films aka I'm assuming it means

20:16 the Mission Impossible series, right? To sort of bolster the idea that we need this international mission force spy agency type thing going on because America's under threat from. International Terror, of course that's run by the same elites that run our country. So it's like you know false dialectics we know that but people in 2001 didn't typically know that so You've got a listers coming out with that kind of stuff But when it comes to Leo and and the PDF stuff I wouldn't be surprised there was I was watching all interviews with on MTV from the 90s

20:52 And even the MTV host like Daisy Fuentes, there's this funny interview where she's totally trying to get with him. And he looks like I mean, he might be in it He might be of age? I'm not sure but it looks like he's maybe 15 or 16 and I don't know. I mean, I'm not accusing Daisy Fuentes if anything but she's obviously trying to get with him She's all over him You know, I don't know if that was just his gravitas as a Mac daddy Or maybe that was an industry something understood in the industry I think with Diddy, Epstein all this kind of stuff. I wouldn't be surprised Yeah to me it's like now Leo gets to be the biggest movie star He pretty much stays out of drama But everyone is like looking at this revolving door of young chicks that he's going through and i think there could Be a thing where its like hey don't touch that Don't comment on it! He paid his dues Now he gets to do his thing And we're all gonna move on but you know just speculating

21:46 So in terms of the content that you cover one that was pretty obscure. that I really liked was this British series Utopia, where a graphic novel writer reveals through codes in his work. A real world conspiracy to release a bio weapon obviously has a lot of parallels to COVID and you cite the Dean Kuntz novel The Eyes Of Darkness that has been going around for its eerie details that seem like predictive programming for COVID but i didn't know this... You say it was written in 1981 revised eight years later to change the source of the viral outbreak in the book to Wuhan, China. Man that is so interesting that they

22:29 actively changed it. I looked this up, it is true that it was originally the virus Gorky 400 and it was supposed to come from Gorky Russia in the book but then the name of the virus was changed to Wuhan-400 coming from a military lab outside the city. I find this stuff so bizarre when these fictional works reflect real world events almost always conspiratorial events And I've never been super satisfied with the predictive programming hypothesis because if it's to prime the public to accept some big event without questioning it, well there usually is an explanation that... That's a common explanation that I hear. Is that they're priming the public for accepting an event but how many people actually see the media? The same people who are affected by

23:23 The event itself are not necessarily the same people who read the dean koons novel so i don't know if there's a deeper reason like, i need a deeper reason and priming the public for this mirroring i mean i take it to a pretty easy terry place like maybe they can manifest narratives by just putting in the collective imagination of a thousand or five thousand ten thousand people but. That was an interesting detail that i had picked up from the book but two of these things both the utopia series and the dean koonce novel seem to predict covid the dean koonce novel to a very specific.

23:58 Level of detail but what do you think is really behind these things that we see do you think predictive programming, is the solve for it or do you thing something more easter terry. Over time i've gotten actually probably more skeptical than i used to be because a lot of cases that's probably just coincidence i'm not talking about examples are you gave me something about their examples there's no things in movies the pop up You know after a while you meet directors, you interview people, you talk to people. And a lot of stuff I think genuinely probably is just kind of happenstance but there's many instances where it's not and so you do have these odd questions as to that's really strange that would be there explicitly like that or that it would be changed in that way

24:44 Now the case of being kids one thing i would say is that his dad or should say. So it was the dean kuhn story that became demon seed the movie which there's a video my channel don't think i put in, i'm gonna put in the book and remember but there's an old horror movie called demon see which is pretty entertaining if you're looking for something fun to watch But the story is based on, in part, Crowleyan ideas. So the director of that comes from a lineage of people who were actually pretty devoted to Crowley. The guy's dad—I forget the guy's name but his dad was one of Crowleys biographers. In Demon Sea which is the Dean Kuhn story they intentionally kind of placed in quite a bit of Crowlean ideology including the idea of creating a homunculus

25:32 That could be a future kind of anti-christ figure. You know, and Dean Kuntz does we just watch for example the Jack Black, Dean Kuntz movie that came out a few years ago. There's quite a bit of pretty significant open reference to things like The Keys of Solomon, sigil magic, Kabbalah all those things come up pretty explicitly in Dean Kuntz stories so I think probably there is some degree of connection to those ideas at least or could be more of deep state connection i don't know what the case of say Tom Clancy novels those are typically written and consultation with CIA as well

26:09 And the reason that happens is that they want to put out those kinds of narratives. You know, if you go back to the 80s a lot more people would read than they do nowadays so reading fiction stories was another good way to propagandize just think of HG Wells and he was very open about his fiction being absolutely propaganda. He was the key propaganda stuff this day prior to ever burn as So we know fiction has that power to do that and I think that some of the weird details it could be people having an inside laugh. It could be people who take ritual magic or esoteric stuff seriously, there are directors who take that kind of stuff seriously for example Darren Aronofsky is a committed Kabbalist he's very much into Kabbalah more recently Eggers the guy that did The Witch and The New Dracula

26:59 You know, he always tells the actors to read about ritual magic before they do. Before they come and do the film so there are directors and people that people that do take this kind of stuff somewhat seriously at that esoteric level but another thing I would say is that it's also a tradition in for example British spy fiction to write things that are real into the fiction stories And the reason for that just on a practical level was that they always had the official secrets act in the UK which meant that they couldn't openly talk about these things, but if they wrote it into fiction they could get away with it and also make a living. And I know that from studying not just the case of like say Joseph Conrad he wasn't a British intelligence operative but when he was one of the first British spy novel writers in The Secret Agent He wrote about things like false flags and anarchist groups being used as kind of controlled opposition It's really fascinating novel

27:53 And that kind of sets the stage for the rest of British fiction, like The James Bond stories to put into the fiction real events. So I don't necessarily think that A lot of the details are there for perhaps ritual magic purposes in the case of say Ian Fleming. But, Ian Fleming was absolutely used as Cold War propaganda so that's one element to where you would put these real stories into fiction to propagandize but a lot of the details it's a great question Greg I don't even know exactly what purpose all the details but i mean that was pretty crazy The Wuhan one is pretty crazy and now I admit yeah Utopia

28:31 Utopia like Argo is fascinating because it's one of the few films, I think Under the Silver Lake is another one. It's a series but that actually references the idea of predictive programming. Now, Argo isn't explicitly about that but Argo has been half working with the CIA to make a movie about when the CIA made a fake movie as a covert operation so it's very meta. It's going multiple levels up but With Utopia, you have reference to at least the British version of it. The predictive programming within comic books which is telling a story about how the elite are really going to depopulate through releasing this thing and then having a vaccine that sterilizes people so that was pretty wild to see that in some most like or the British writers of this show are they reading some conspiracy literature Dave McGowan or something maybe?

29:29 And then i did you ever see under the silver light with andrew garfield no but someone else did just reference that on the show not long ago donut when we get our interview he brought that up and then i said i hadn't seen it in a bunch of people commented all you gotta check out you got to see it. It's kind of become a conspiracy classic now because people have you know what we want to when they came out tristan haggard and i am we do decoding of it, And my buddy jim bob and i were gonna re decode that we're going to revisit it next week and decoded again because its one of those films you have to watch many many times but. You know dave mcgowan there's a specific character in the film that is kind of a day mcgowan is laurel canyon person who,

30:10 Actually writes all the music so you're the main characters on this kind of quest and he eventually meets this old guy who is responsible for all the pop music. So he writes it all it's not any of your favorite bands at all fake i mean in the film was a little bit tongue-in-cheek is kinda satirical it's a little funny too but But it's got elites, billionaires underground bunkers, cults. It's got it all and it's about predictive programming so yeah there are a few films that reference it that are kind of self aware in that way but I think you're right to point to some really hard to explain away examples if your skeptic like the Dean Kuntz one or Utopia

30:57 Yeah, and I don't think you're a big Terrence McKenna fan but something he said that was interesting to me is that if he had boiled down everything into one thing. He would say the universe runs on narrative and so to me i'm like why would you... That's unexpected thing to say And then I think too You know the stars acting out the gods in Greek arenas and like what's really going on there? Are they channeling did they think they were channeling Did that become acting It's strange because yeah, COVID 9-11. the titanic all these things were predicted in media first i mean you know the whole trump lower thing with indus ingersoll lockwood that's been talked to death but you know it just doesn't it is conspiratorial events that i think is why so interesting because you don't have mundane storylines within film just manifesting out there you're dinosaurs and pop on the scene because jurassic park came out you know it's like

31:56 It doesn't happen all the time it's only in these highly suspect stories events where they want to control the narrative and then the narrative is infection first. The most recent example is charlie kirk i mean you've seen this snake eyes thing im sure its crazy that details go down to the name, the date assassinated in public, shot in the neck. A guy named Tyler is the distraction and then Tyler is the patsy for the shooting I mean it's down to the name Charles Kirkland shot in the neck What is that? It-it is crazy Is that coincidence? I have a hard time with that one being coincidence especially when not fresh my mind but The director and the writer...I think the writer

32:42 I had done an interview on this right when it happened and the guy was interviewing was like, oh that guy wrote it? That guys birthday is 9-11. It's just, it never ends. But I'm sure you've looked at the Snake Eyes thing a little bit but... Yeah it's you know, I am familiar with the thesis. I didn't already had three written and done pretty much before any of that happened so it was kind of too late to do anything but what I can say about that is that that's a Brian De Palma film of course and there you go yeah Brian de palma has quite

33:19 of a pedigree of films that are pretty explicit in what they deal with in terms of mind control, conspiracy deep state type stuff. You can go back to Dress To Kill which was one of his earlier famous hits with Michael Caine and you kind of have this idea of dissociation and trans stuff in kind of a predictive way before any of that was well known. That's like 1980 right? You have he did Carlitos way, which I don't think is that great of a movie but it shows that he's pretty obviously familiar with like how the relationship between The police or the FBI and the mafia works which ties into the organized or into the secret society espionage world And occult stuff too because there isn't overlap between organized crime in the occult He did The Untouchables Which I don't think is very good. But again, I think he's very familiar with

34:18 Organized crime carry that kind of stuff, but there's a more specifically he did body double which is about That's more of an occult esoteric film dealing with how can I put this? hardcore PR o in Stuff and what that does to individuals And how they eventually kind of dissociate so the guy in that dissociates from it. He did The original mission impossible which of course we said with tom cruise and you know that that has a cia type connection He did another film that I did include the only reason i'm going to this brian de palma stuff is that? I did do a section of brian depalma films in the third book. So for example, the fury Which is about kind of a ca Montauk-type project stranger things type project where kids are recruited who have these potentialities or psychic abilities and they're putting it this kind of secret uh You know cia type program

35:15 They're groomed for being government operatives, etc. There's some really weird stuff in that movie was kind of his version of the exorcist so he but he did carry to which is another kinda is it that the exorcist and then lastly he did a movie with john let's go that was pretty famous back in the day called raising can, amazing about one is that in this story john let's go plays a person multiple personalities and its eventually said his dad work for the secret government agency. and was intentionally splitting through trauma-based mind control the son's, you know, mind into having these controlled alters. So that's a pretty good pedigree I would say for Brian De Palma having a connection to a lot of these or knowing quite a bit about these kinds of things. Mm hmm. And I did look

36:08 him up just to confirm but yes it's his, it's him I was talking about. His birthday September 11th 1940 you know what else is interesting here? Oh he did Black Dahlia too! I forgot the black dahlia is the first ritual murder And then I put that in the first book, but I forgot he did that as well. And I don't know if you've ever heard the names of his kids, but Piper DePalma which is interesting because Pied Piper mind control. That is like an old fairy tale basically about a mind control and children. And then his other daughter's name is Lolita. Oh weird. Isn't that gross? You would name your daughter Lolita? Wow freak so

36:51 Another recent one you cover in the book, one that I did not watch is the Netflix movie Leave The World Behind. I just heard so much about it and had so much spoiled that i was like...I basically saw it but let me read from your book where you say The twenty twenty four brock obama produced netflix film leave the world behind it takes place in the same universe as mr robot same director where the hackers who end up discovering various geopolitical plots, collide with a separate group of two families who must manage. to survive as a large-scale hacking event takes down the US internet. Stranded in a large Airbnb, these two families battle racial tensions and yet unknown forms of warfare that include sound and ELF weapons, biowarfare that releases a kind of chronic wasting disease as the deer are infected

37:41 and a battle over scarce medical resources as society breaks down we see a giant oil tanker come to rest on the beach seemingly without a captain, tesla shutting down and running haywire and large scale nuclear device detonated in a very ominous and ambiguous scene the airbnb owner claims to work with high level defense contractors. And that they had some knowledge of this coming event Really interesting obviously it's provocative that obama would be a producer of this kind of film. Interesting you think we're gonna see this one manifest to yeah it's funny so that i remember watching that and i was kinda, it's not that good so you didn't really miss the whole lot i mean in a really there two films came out relatively close each other they have a very similar theme up their civil war by alex garland yes and then this obama produced propaganda phone which

38:34 Basically as anybody who wants to have private property and kind of you know self defense is a kevin bacon character in the film whose like this proper guy will course he's the villain right because he, he doesn't have a socialist attitude to giving everybody you know who survive whatever they want yes guns oh my gosh how dare so yeah so self defense and all that kind of stuff is demonize in the phone that's not surprising again if this is an obama based on but just think about that right there we have a former president ballroom production of this propaganda movie about the collapse united states nurses, we don't know who's behind the collapse is this unknown amorphous enemy and the other thing that really stands out in a film that i think was fascinating was there's a dialogue between some of the characters when all the. The attack on this madness going down and one of the guys to be black guy he has some level worked with defense contractors what the government

39:29 And they're asking, and they're like do you know who would have done this? Is there a conspiracy against America to do this. His line is hilarious because he says listen I've been in all the big elite government meetings nobody's running anything nobody's in charge we have this illusion that there's an elite or that the government runs things nobody runs anything It's all just chaos. Yeah, so I thought that was like just the most ridiculous propaganda rise and nobody is running anything there are no even though right now Davos is happening all the world elites are meeting at Davos right now that doesn't exist there's nobody who's wealthy and powerful everything's just kind of going haywire we don't know So it was kind of absurd propaganda many many levels but you did have some weird things in their like

40:16 very anti tesla i'm not like a huge person but i'm just saying they were intentionally putting in stuff to target elon musk again find criticize elon musk whatever but it was a very political film is what i'm trying to say well maybe equally as Propaganda and negative was civil war and alex garland has history of making some actually some decent films but also very very heavily propaganda is you know if you watch civil war it's the same type situation where america is collapsing from this order. Within because of this presidential figure played by nick offerman who's kind of trumpish,

41:00 Then you have this idea that, well we got to take him out because he's going to ruin the country. We're going to have to start a new country of more woke, more socialist equalitarian country because if we let people like white men or whatever run things it's going to destroy the country." Civil War was big-time propaganda as well and it makes sense though when you think about okay, he made 28 Days Later, he made Ex Machina, he made Annihilation And in annihilation with an ally portman you basically have references to the sort of luciferian replacements that common, can i take us over and we get cloned and this luciferian a on is kind of what.

41:42 hooks in from another dimension into our dimension that's how i read the book or the movie list any to twenty eight years later which i covered what was totally luciferian one hundred percent, lose for him film and needed men which was a very. Feminist anti man horror films so ex machina two x machina the machines are sexy it was great i thought that was his is really good film very good critique of AI of the silicon valley elites you know that there's a sort of a zuckerberg kind of character in their that's the villain so. So it's not is not all bad i thought i was good and i think i mean the phones are pretty good twenty days later but a lot of propaganda yes and i wanted to bring this up about leave the world behind cuz i saw this post right as i was getting ready for this and im just gonna share the screen because we can write there and uh...

42:35 Opening poster for the movie these are the actors in the film and their names are laid out to spell ball. Bail you know that's kinda interesting and then during the opening scene of a movie i'm mug, The opening scene for people listening is on someone in bed and they have nightstands on either side. And there's a mug on one night stand, and two clocks and the mug has a giant six on it... ...and each clock is showing a six as well. The one on the right is hidden! You can only see the digital 6, the first number. The rest of the...

43:12 the alarm clock is hidden. So it's like very specifically 666 that is not an accident, that's very interesting so you got bail 666 and then this one was everywhere where the two kids are wearing the shirt obey and NASA just kind of goofy And then this one is also interesting but this must be seen in a movie where they're looking at some monitoring equipment when you flip The scene upside down what's written on the screen is die six six six so i just these things are not exactly the same as.

43:53 Writing narratives that come true but why do you think this stuff is. What in movies what does it do to just say six six six well in these examples and then this these could be example legitimate on the bail one but the other ones seem pretty interesting the mind of process, Those types of things in a kind of an instant that's been studied and we do know that the mind is able to Process us up even if it's not immediately in the conscious mind, right? So kind of goes into our storage or disk drive of our subconscious. And so that stuff can be stored there and

44:29 even if we don't immediately see it that way. And the director, as we said of Mr Robot which I remember I watched that very intently and paid a lot of attention to that and that is full of this kind of stuff so its not out of the realm of possibility given the fact that the director of Mr Robot did put a lot of that stuff in the series intentionally In that story you have Rami Malek playing this sort of hacker guy who is dissociating he's on these different drugs And he's part of this sort of international plot where they're going to a bunch of hackers and other people are trying to take down the US. There is these Chinese hackers, there are elements of it I don't remember all the details but point being is that there is a lot of attention to those types of details and weird symbology going on in Mr Robot so... I wouldn't be surprised if that was put in their intentionally in this film

45:21 Very, very crazy. Some of these directors they get their start in advertising and there was an old documentary about subliminal messages in advertising which was the first time that I was woken up to those messages like putting sex in the ice cubes of a Coca-Cola The stuff's always been there so they come from advertising and get into film yeah you're already used to putting the devil in the details as i say that's an even. more obvious example, I appreciate you thinking of that. I didn't even think about subliminals and in fact, I don't even think I mentioned subliminals in all three of my books which is there it doesn't matter its a form of semiotic meaning conveyance where it could be good or nefarious so your absolutely right. There was experimentation with subliminal type stuff for example in the Exorcist were they did insert into one of the frames this sort of demonic image to see if it would help hype up the fear when they played the film

46:21 And then the writer of that script, the Blatty figure was involved in psychological warfare for the CIA. So it's actually a CIA script and I included an essay in my book that somebody had written about that. So, yeah. I mean you're absolutely correct to point that out and i don't think that's...I mean we can go full schizo with that kind of stuff every little thing in the movie is it but it's not like that but when you have these kinds of 666s and that kinda stuff I mean I think a lot of that stuff was definitely intentional probably speaking to our subconscious Yeah guys like Alex Fulton will go in and find

47:01 the exact frames of films and be like this is frame six six six and oh look a devil on screen he goes deep on cuba can't get because the kind of guy who would have paid attention to that meticulous detail i would assume if anyone did it's probably him as opposed to like michael bay or someone but not another film you cover that i remember liking but i think i always get confused with edge of tomorrow is oblivion with tom cruise. And you do mention uh, Detail there that was intentionally seeded, a purposeful placement of a biography of Wild Bill Donovan on the shelf at Jack's country hideout. The placement is not accidental as Donovan is the master spy founder of the OSS, the predecessor of the CIA

47:46 One immediately begins to connect this to the CIA slash Air Force drone program which is projected to be run by AI computers in the near future and is actually termed Skynet. Funny they would call it that but yes here's another movie where a guy whose kind of on the inside apparently has a biography of Wild Bill Donovan on his shelf, that's a detail they obviously put there on purpose Yeah, actually the books in films and shows are usually pretty intentional. Now sometimes I always pay attention to the books that are there for example Jamie and I just did an analysis of National Treasure

48:24 And we noticed that when Nick Cage goes into the, the S the shop to buy the fake copy of the declaration of independence. Um, if you remember when he's trying to steal it right? Yeah. There's a book that's right by the counter. That's very clearly visible in the shot and it's the book ironically that Jamie had just read about the national monument and all the architecture of DC being esoteric. Right. It's not a conspiracy book. It's like a mainline scholarly. architecture book in the history of DC and that it's laid out in a Masonic sort of Rosicrucian way. So, that's actually mainstream history. It's not conspiracy stuff but the book is there in the movie and I was like did you notice that Jamie? That Nick Cage is right there about to buy... he doesn't buy it though. He kind of looks at it right?

49:11 She's like, that's not my book. And I went yes it is so we had to freeze it and I was like yeah see she's Like oh my gosh, I can't believe that is the book I just read So you know That's obviously in the shot I think on purpose because the whole theme of the movie Is the secret architecture of DC and going to these different places? decoding it right um so yeah, I can think In Rosemary's Baby there's a very specific placement of I think it's a Sammy Davis Jr biography, which is interesting because Sammy Davis Junior was member of the Church of Satan. The film is about a satanic cult and then you see in one of the shots very clearly right? You know this shining, its very subtle but if you zoom in most people didn't notice this but Wendy at the very beginning is reading all these books on witchcraft

50:00 And you don't see that unless you pause the frame and zoom in right when they're at the apartment, when she's taking care of Danny. When he's having dreams it shows the books that she is reading and its all occult witchcraft stuff again I think thats intentional. So Rosemary's baby I definitely have some questions for you on because I latched on to that section of the book and every little detail because the Sharon Tate Rosemary's baby thing is just so weird another example that maybe reality manifested but before we get there, i just wanted to ask you about this detail on oblivion where The AI space station in the film is called Tet

50:41 And you write about that as being significant tell people why it would be significant for the space station to be called tat. You there's two films that have this similar theme equilibrium which i don't put them in a mention and passing but i didn't put it in the book, And I always get asked, how come you haven't done equilibrium? Um. That's a deep cut. That's a deep cut. I love the equilibrium. Yeah. I don't think it's a terrible movie. My only problem with the equilibrium is just simply that it's basically every dystopian story in one. So they just kind of copy and paste from, you know, brave new world 1984 and then, and the matrix and they put it all into one. I used to call it a poor man's matrix, a low budget matrix. It's not a terrible movie. It's just kind of like, you know, other things derivative, I guess she could say, but

51:27 One thing about equilibrium that relates to what you're asking about the Tet is that in equilibrium they explicitly refer to the control structure and these The symbol as the tetragrammaton, and so it's the same thing going on I think in oblivion where its tat tetragrammaton. That's the first part of it right referencing Exodus 3 where God says I am that I am which is a reference to the name Yahweh or the, you know, Ayer Asher, which is the Tetragrammaton or The Name of God. So this is really important because we later after I did a lot of those analyses, we went through a bunch of Tom Cruise films and Jamie and I did a whole Tom Cruise podcast where we went through early stuff all the way up to, you know, all the Mission Impossible stuff, The Mummy in all these different films

52:21 And what I've noticed is that there is an absolutely consistent pattern of the Gnostic storyline within Tom Cruise films. And it makes perfect sense because, you know, Tom Cruise was a very committed Scientologist obviously and L Ron Hubbard when he was crafting the Scientology story It was because he had gone through the ranks of the OTO, so he knew you know the whole mythology of the OTO. Many many years ago I printed out an OTO reading list which they make all their members read. Haven't read every book on it but it's a lot of comparative religion and its a lot of Gnostic texts So basically my thesis is that I think Tom Cruise...I don't know how serious he is about esoteric or cult stuff but he's definitely

53:10 in films that have a pretty consistent you know no stick. Storyline and pattern where it's tom is the rebel angel or the one who's rebelling against the arc on, controller creator deity the bumbling evil created your ddm tom always plays this for promethean figure who's gonna set us free that's exactly what happens in edge of tomorrow and his exactly what happens then oblivion he's fighting against and bring us from this you know evil creator god yes and I didn't go back and listen, but i do recall that our last one kind of devolved into like is Gnosticism not bad because im not convinced. I know you are And...I was thinking more about that cause it comes up in this book too And..i wonder if

53:55 Well sometimes it seems like the books you classify as nasty they seem to me like they are but there also just like joseph campbell's heroes journey where a person in a mundane situation has a call to action. Into going on an adventure into the underworld led by some wise figure like again dog for dumbledore or no be one, and they do battle with the dragon in the abyss, they emerge changed and kind of return to their mundane condition but a new version of themself. And obviously Joseph Campbell stuff has been talked about forever I mean...I was probably in high school when I learned about this and how this template really is almost all movies sometimes I'm like you know when Jay's talking about this being the seeding of Gnosticism in This Film or That

54:46 It seems to me like maybe there's an argument that it's just the heroes journey but is the hero's journey itself nasty cuz or something fishy about joseph campbell himself. Yeah i mean so nuanced difficult question because you know really depends on what the journey as and who he's fighting in what's happening so there are these archetypal patterns of stories for sure, More recently on my channel we did some deep dives into carl young archetypes the collective unconscious i mean some of his actual books not other people's assessments but reading into the text and. Last year, I got pretty deep into a couple of Carl Jung books to see exactly what he thought and the reason I'm bringing Carl Jung up is that Joseph Campbell's really just pulling from Carl Jung. It's kind of watered down Carl Jung. I have another book...I've two Campbell books one of them though is where he's very much a Freemason right? Umm.. I forget what degree he got too but in the big there was a big coffee table book which I read many years ago which is a Joseph Campbell

55:45 Symbology book and there's multiple chapters where he talks openly about Freemasonry. So my assessment is that he seems to be a freemason so With that in mind and then thinking about how it's very derivative from from Carl Jung I thought well, I need to go read Carl young what we find in Carl Young Is that? He's also very very explicit that most of what he's talking about is just regurgitated Gnosticism and Platonism So you're correct that these patterns are there, they're definitely whether it's Virgil's Aeneid or whatever the Odyssey etc. There are these patterns, but again it really matters as to what your worldview is in terms of what you're fighting and who you're fighting against. And in the Gnostic storyline usually its something like You are your own savior or you're your own salvation through empowering yourself through knowledge or technology or something like that. That gnosis, that secret knowledge is what saves you and a lot of the secret societies I think bait people with this kind of idea

56:47 secret knowledge, special knowledge. Oh you're going to know the secret name of God... superpower that you alone know and it really just plays I think on a lot of human vanity and pride. And, and a lot of times what ends up happening is that just to make it little more down-to-earth and practical as like whether its, you know, Alistair Crowley himself or whether it's Gerald Gardner in Wicca which comes out of Crowleyanism It's just really people want the touch butts like, you know what I mean? Like I'm not actually going to get any magical powers But the guru or the magus, he's going to get to go in my butt and have a good time. And somehow I'm going to get magic out of this." So at one level it's just people want to get laid but on another level there could be something demonic going on with some of these activities and i understand not every Gnostic is into weird sex or whatever...I'm not trying to say that

57:42 Again, I just think it really depends on what the journey is and what your... What the quest is. Because you could say, oh Alistair Crowley was on a hero's journey and he was graping and pillaging and doing what he was doing on his heroes' quests. You see? So you could say there's a heroes' quest but like okay but who's the hero and what are you fighting against? And if you're fighting against the one that happens to be like the true god well then it's no longer a good story. Fair enough and i'm just curious are there examples as we're coming to the end of line here other examples of well executed recent films you can even go back like a couple decades but recent films that are well executed that actually contain messages that you would endorse not made by mel gibson

58:33 Figured you're gonna throw that caveat in there. I was gonna say, I mean, I guess I like some of the Mel Gibson movies but um Yeah, let's see. I think You know even even films that I might disagree with or not necessarily be there's always some element probably that i could appreciate we did a podcast recently where we covered national treasure and i thought that was fun yeah, i mean so there is a lot of films are enjoyable for other reasons we do the podcast on. Gone girl and even i don't know if you saw the movie even up but that was actually pretty good yet has a jew law sydney sweeney it's kind of an allegory for civilization. And the problems that you encounter in civilization can u escape it can you set up

59:26 You know utopian community this kind of a thing and so you like lord the flies or that kind of story even was good i mean what's fully christian but it had a good message i've actually gone back in rewatch terry potter. And i've kind of revised my initially thought it was just stupid but there's actually a lot more going on in harry potter than i originally thought and. It actually has a better message that i remember so maybe uh maybe that um, do not just seems like heroes journey stuff to me like what would take what would make harry potter what separates from the hero's journey template because its got all the

1:00:08 the check marks and in my mind like i said like i mean again. I'm not against the hero's journey it's just a question of what who is zero and what you doing how does he know what what is the quest and who's fighting like that's the real issue not just whether there's a hero's journey or not like i can say christianity as a heroes journey right because in christianity christ descends to the underworld battle satan spiritually speaking and then resurrects goes into you know in a sense and haven't so Christianity is a kind of heroes you know katabasis story as well so but isn't part of your issue the fact that the thing that empowers them to defeat the bad guy is like sacred knowledge which to me like that's harry potter learning magic in the case of harry potter it's a little bit different because

1:00:53 And I'm not just saying this because, well, I have a Christian worldview. Like I've actually gone back and reviewed all the Harry Potter series and there's more Christian themes and virtue themes than I previously thought so. And I'm not saying because I've never been a Harry Potter fan. Yeah me either really. I've changed my mind reviewing it and somebody challenged me to do it they said hey you should rewatch it and think about Think about it in the vein of say, CS Lewis or you know, Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. And I've always thought well she basically just rips off a bunch of stuff from Lord of the Rings but there was actually quite a bit more Christian themes than I thought that's a whole separate topic with Jamie and I are going to we're gonna do me and are gonna do a podcast on that so i can address that maybe in more detail but... I just figured out how to ask um maybe nothing I mean Hollywood is or the whole point of your books in this conversation is Hollywood is not producing empowering positive

1:01:53 Christian aligned content that's not what they do well it doesn't have to be i'm not like a lot of purity and i don't have to be christian line i mean like i like weapons the weapons is a a satire now when i did not see weapons but i had the story spoiled for me and tell me if this is true but the movie basically at the end you find out that. Satanic jews are corrupting all the white kids in all the suburban kids is it as a tanning jew thing I didn't detect anything i got to talk to my body because i took a mad as word i mean i would never probably never problem admitting if there is no big nose does the witch have a big knows maybe that's what he was getting at that may be more subtle but here like i think that's the message is it.

1:02:39 uh, Kabbalistic Jews are corrupting the youth. I mean i just took her as a grandma that don't there weren't There-I don't recall there being Jewish features but I mean I guess you could read it that way maybe take a look at that one again too now Uh and we'll make it into Esoteric Hollywood 3 what did you? I'm throwing a couple in here just to be able begonia Did you see Begonia? I did like quite a bit oh man spoiler alert Oh gosh, I hate to spoil movies but I guess it's a flat earth film. Now you're...I know you've said you're not a flat earth guy but you're not a flat earth guy right? Are your Earth shape agnostic? Yeah, I don't have any- I'm very skeptical about mainline science type stuff in general so I don't really have any committed positions on it. I'm not convinced by the flat Earth arguments. No. I'm well aware of them and heard them for many years but.. I didn't think Begonia would be a flat earth film though

1:03:29 I mean, I know that with the model this sequence shows a little model. But it's also comedy right? It's dark satire. I thought it was really funny. I enjoyed quite a bit all those parts there are some fascinating conspiracy elements to we did do a podcast on begonia so you Yet again another film that i thought was entertaining um but yeah so there I mean you know there's a plenty of films that are still out there, jams in the rough you can find better than her fun and i like long legs quite a bit it was a satanic ritual film. What was really really well made i usually like nick cage films so i tend to avoid the really dark stuff but zack crager is the guy who made

1:04:10 Weapons and he was from whitest kids you know he made miss march with evermore whose death i still find very suspicious to and he did barbarian which. What's the what that have a lot of depth but it was a fun or maybe is that craig has a, New Resident Evil movie coming out this year. That might be interesting that was going to be kind of the last thing I was gonna ask you is are there films in 2026 that you're looking forward to either genuinely looking forward to or just looking forward to unpacking? We got a Spielberg and Nolan, a Spielberg disclosure film and a Nolan mythology film. I mean those two i'm going to see I don't want know if I'm super excited about it Yeah, there's probably about ten movies. I noticed that look like they have some potential and

1:04:54 For different reasons they might not all be worth analyzing but just you know for entertainment value i think what is there's a zombie movie coming out that i think looks pretty pretty in a unique way we bury the dead it looks like zombies done and more sophisticated ways not the standard stuff i think maybe that movie with rachel mcadams where she stuck on an island that one looks like it might be pretty. Pretty fun we watched the rip with a black and matt damon and i thought it was pretty good okay okay have you know they're not my favorites but that movie turned out pretty good. You know ready or not thats interesting say ten at colton

1:05:40 Horror thriller that's kind of a satire. That might be that's the sequel to the first one that will becoming out Silent Hill interestingly enough is full of Kabbalistic ritual magic, which I didn't really realize that until when played the game And got kind of down that rabbit hole getting into the lore silent hill So there was a new silent hill movie that might be worth analyzing David I think David Fincher has a new Occult satanic serial killer movie come out called psycho killer that might be worth analyzing. So yeah, that's what comes to mind. I don't even watch dark horror stuff. I've never really liked horror games or movies that much. I tend to like everything else did you analyze him? The Garland movie? Yeah the football movie where he gets initiated into this. Oh no, I'm sorry this is so there's two there's men. I was thinking of man excuse me yes Jamie and I did a podcast on him because it didn't suck. I hear it sucks

1:06:42 Well it is not a good movie but it all it is all about like kind of satanic call within sports stuff which is. I mean i'm not even aware of any movies about that so i know what, thought was really an interesting subject matter and i thought the cinematography looked very there's elements of that are good it's just this story ends up just kinda being Corny. That sucks, I mean you did the hard part! The hard part is getting all the style right the easy part is just have a decent story stick to landing You would think Well pleasure as always man I really like reconnecting with some of the researchers I consider part of the old guard and what was now very crowded space

1:07:28 But remind people of the many irons you have in the fire. Yeah, you can follow my work as Greg said at JasonAlsace.com that's all the past decade of archives lectures interviews talks As well as all the public material on my channel and YouTube is Jay Dyer You can follow me on Twitter Instagram etc under jay dyer You can find me writing for The Sam Hyde Show You can find me fourth hour usually on Fridays at The Alex Jones Show Um, and then we got a lot of live events coming up in 2026. Damn I didn't know you were such a regular. I didn't know you had a regular slot on the Alex Jones show that's interesting for about six years. I mean it's not every Friday but I would say it's probably three out of four per month usually well congrats on that. I think that's a feather in the cap but yeah it's been a great it's been a great time uh we've gotten used to it kind of

1:08:22 Working with Alex is a lot of fun. He's a character, so I guess you do it remotely? Mm-hmm. We've done a lot of stuff in studio too but usually remotely yeah right on well either way loved it congrats on getting the trilogy done You know trilogies used to be enough for Hollywood But now you gotta have 1⁄4 so I guess we'll talk in another six years. We'll see all right take care man. Thanks Greg The power of Christ compels you people. I always love a pop culture analysis show, they are easy books for me to read because i'm usually already familiar with the material although it was pretty surprised with the esoteric hollywood 3 that it wasn't more about the films that have come out since the last book It was mostly older stuff which is cool I was just little surprised by it

1:09:12 I do think jay is great at unpacking the contents of a film he does it in an academic way yeah we have ideological differences but i'm very used to that this point. Of course I knew that going in and I didn't plan to bring it up at all, but I guess it can't help but come into play when we get deep into the themes of certain films and what they might want a seed. And especially in the plus show, it came up some of the questions, I guess just seemed too return to orthodoxy, but it's all good In those moments i try to express that i don't think i'm as combat it is used to be and i'm sure i sound like a broken record the listeners leaning on the same examples usually the coven thing. But i dont talk too many these guests outside of our actual interviews so that's just me trying to explain myself or say we have more common ground than you might think,

1:10:09 Because outside of my unusual job i've got two kids a boy and girl me and my wife have pretty traditional dynamics in nuclear family. We don't go to church but outside that six out of seven days a week i think on paper, We're pretty much living like a christian family with traditional conservative values would live just focusing on the kids trying to put attention and making them good people. Getting high with every spare moment i mean it's the same life i kid but these days, it's more contrary end of focus on the common ground so i just try to do that

1:10:50 And Jay is good at what he does though, and I really don't see anyone else coming along to make conspiratorial film analysis their thing. He's got a damn good trilogy out now! We had Robert Sullivan doing cinema symbolism as well for awhile but i think there's room for a non-religious non free masonic independent perspective if someone out there has the chops Given how crowded the internet is while also being dead it feels like that lane has a bit of room for a few more cars i would say chris knolls obviously does that and he does it well but he does so much more than i just don't really consider at the same synchro mysticism tends to include film.

1:11:37 But it's just different for me, for some reason that we did just put out a great X files book going about as deep on the themes there as anyone could. Anyway i'm just big on shared history too I'm always gonna appreciate J just because of how small our little counterculture was when we first started Now, of course he's doing Alex Jones. He is doing the Sam Hyde stuff. He's co-hosting a show with Jay Widener. He's a big shot pretty much doing us a favor now right? But good times, I'm sure it makes for a little THC nostalgia for those who have been with us for a long time. And higher side news? Well, I've gotten myself into a bit of a pickle World War III decided to kick off right when I have more shows recorded in the can than I can remember because I'm going to be out of town for two weeks in March me and the fam are going back to San Diego to get some much needed casual socialization with familiar faces in our lives

1:12:38 So as i do i got paranoid and overbooked myself and now im sitting on too many interviews. And there are two schools of thought as to how i should handle it some people would preload them, drip feed them to you schedule them for release the cover the gap but the other school of thought is that i should just hammer you with four or five interviews right away in rapid succession. And then maybe, maybe I'll save one for when I get back in case I come back not optimized but you get it that I should just put them out as fast as I can and I think because of the nature of this show being about current events and all that It is better not to hold on to interviews any longer than I have to two come to mind In the ones I have that are going to have a lot more impact right now As opposed to 2-3 weeks from now

1:13:29 But you know bombs are dropping i told those are getting whacked and the timeline is not exactly moving slowly. I don't want to be outdated so they can just gonna hit you with three or four in the first ten days and then let the big gap be what it is you won't forget about me right, But I think you will see comments saying like what happened to Greg is he alright blah blah blah if you see that stuff please put it to rest clearly not everyone listens to the wrap ups but you do so help me out there. I don't need any unnecessary drama you know none of us do but expect a quick flood and then a dry second half of the month

1:14:10 I know some people will be very happy that i'm taking a break from solo shows because this is going to be just a five interview month though. I will say the majority seem to be pretty okay with the solo stuff, but let's talk about it as we are in the review portion of these here wrap ups in the weeds episode two, the Epstein edition Kind of massaging with that format was supposed to be about but the epstein files are so big and vast. I thought it worked out again these things bring in more subs than interviews i can't complain i gotta do on there a ton more work then the, interviews and the biggest criticism ironically that i see is that a lot of people think its just somebody rambling on about their news feed

1:14:58 Which isn't exactly wrong, but I am still putting a lot of thought and effort into curating it as I do with the guests. And as I do with pulling out the finer points of their work that I try to bring into an interview is just a different type of curation really? But you can't please everyone. I will try to tweak the process and make it feel less like that maybe, but i clearly don't have to do too much because we got ourselves a 4.8 baby! Really couldn't do much better The plus people don't lie And 9 out of 10 comments seem to be basically attaboys so...I guess im happy guy! I cant complain

1:15:41 As for the last interview we did, Peter Cowan, the 49ers substation story EMF research history. Sunlight's importance and all that good quantum biology stuff I don't love that term by the way but it is the term they use It should just be light health or electromagnetic light health to cover the EMF as well as sunlight and blue light But whatever, this isn't mad men. I am not their branding guy unfortunately but quantum biology it's a field now and This interview i saw the rating jump all over the place It was pretty low a couple of times that i looked but now its 4.7 so again... I can't complain plus people seem to be very happy right now Epstein thing 4.8 Peter Cowan 4.7 Charles Fort book report another 4.8

1:16:35 That's a good streak and two out of three of those are things I did myself. So what else is there to say? I know everyone is getting spun up about the Iran thing, I totally get it! I said in a comment somewhere in response to someone that look there are unadvertised tragedies every day and then sometimes we have advertised ones And yes, collateral damage in war is always a tragedy hitting a fucking school where they now say they have 165 dead kids and 100 injuries. It really is a level of evil and horrible that is at the Epstein level. He facilitated the abuse of kids I guess largely one at a time as opposed to dropping a bomb and hitting his school and ruining

1:17:25 triple-digit lives But I do see it as almost the same. They're saying the school is adjacent to an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Barracks, I don't care you just can't make that kind of mistake and you shouldn't be doing this shit anyway regime change We've seen this movie before no pun intended now All i can tell myself when I see that is it maybe this is some wag the dog shit to use another film. I want to believe it didn't really happen, i'm not saying that it didn't happen but in war you have to acknowledge that its all about emotional manipulation with the goal of turning a population against its leaders and demanding at all stop or making it seem like

1:18:17 If you want to present us as the liberators, it makes it look like everybody loves it and there's cheering in the streets. I don't know how much faith I can put into any of that stuff It is all generated for a reason So again, not saying that it didn't happen. I don't know. I'm just saying be aware that images that come along with information are handpicked for their emotional impact like this one here of the bloody backpack now for the listeners, I am showing it but I'm sure most people have seen it pink backpack looks staged set on some rubble blood splattered all over it and a little AI art. It seems to me of

1:18:58 A girl praying on her knees with the head covering on and all that. I see the image and initially it gets me, but when i really look at it and think about the exact staged images used in the film Wag The Dog in this exact kind of scenario You know, it's like they're going through doing castings in the film for like the saddest cutest kitten for the kid and the rubble to be holding and all that. It is a satire so yeah that takes it to a ridiculous degree but still I look at that image doesn't sit right with me. It seems a little too perfect little non-organic And it's not really about any one specific thing just be careful out there and preserve your energy

1:19:50 It might get really wild or this might be some of the same old middle east stuff. That's almost always going on. I know the Ayatollah thing is different 30 years is a long time, but still, I mean to some degree this has always going on, but you're going to hear about five THC interviews in a row all recorded before any of this started. So maybe that's a nice little safe Haven for you? Sorry, they should have consulted me. They didn't realize I had a trip planned, I guess before they dropped the bombs either way Thanks to Jay again much love to all you listeners take care of you and yours I've done my part your move esoteric Hollywood wielders 35 millimeter magic makers and culture controllers your fucking move Is it accidental how things end

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