Janice McAfee | John McAfee Didn’t Kill Himself, $WHACKD, & The Dead Man’s Switch

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01:00 Serenity Now Hiresight Chatters, doing what we do from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and we know that blackmail material dirt and compromise are major factors in how power really works in the big machine And some very dark things are done to cultivate that material from various forms of well-crafted compromising scenarios and engineered entrapment all often involving planting assets in one's life, honeypot operations and as we've seen several times before from the Franklin scandal to Didion Epstein Sex parties and prostitution in houses rigged to the brim with surveillance equipment. And in recent years, we've learned enough to know that the rot runs deep and there's plenty of dark secrets to keep in a given file Well antivirus and cyber security pioneer John McAfee had the expertise AND opportunity To acquire such information and claimed on much more than one occasion to have acquired A good sum of it on a wide range of powerful people through spyware

01:58 So when he dies of an alleged suicide in a Spanish prison after repeated claims he would never kill himself and not to trust reports that say he did, even going so far as to launch a token called WACT and get it tattooed on his arm I think it's right to be skeptical and worth looking into further. And here in the studio with me to talk about all things John McAfee and the sketchy details of the official story is the wife he left behind Janice McAfee After 10 years as a prostitute in Miami, he became her John with a capital J and it turned into love and marriage. And they were together for eight years before his aforementioned death on June 23rd 2021

02:38 She now tries to keep his legacy alive and keep the pressure on when it comes to what increasingly seems like a cover-up. So let's get into it with the infamous Mrs. McAfee, tamer of A True Wild Man. Janice thanks for being here! Thank you for that awesome introduction my John with a capital J I thought that was clever That was very clever thank you for that Oh man. So I'm really happy that this worked out, that we could do this in person. Obviously we all know it's very hard to lose the ones we love especially with so many unanswered questions and I hope for this week kind of work backwards and build up to some of the big mysteries that I see so many posts about when you go down the John McAfee rabbit holes. Yeah. So let's start with his death in a Barcelona prison in June of 2021 he was arrested eight months earlier on

03:27 on US federal charges of tax evasion, failure to file tax returns and promoting cryptocurrencies for personal gain without reporting the income. He was set to be extradited back to the States and the official story is that he committed suicide in his cell by hanging via shoelaces before that could happen Now, let's start out with why people should doubt that official story. What are the big red flags that something is off? The first thing I think was that the prison opened up an investigation into his death. As I was told, that's not usually the standard procedure right you die or die and that's it. And also that just was suspicious because it had to have been the prison that leaked the information of him being dead in the first place

04:14 Right? And so that is also how I found out myself, how John was dead. I didn't find out from the prison they didn't call myself or his either of his attorneys to let him know that he was dead. Also when I went to the prison to collect his belongings, I was able to speak with the head of the guards, the prison guards who's kind of like the boss of them, I guess, or supervisor, exact title and he was very troubled by John's death. It was a surprise and shock to him, a surprise and shock to everyone in the prison that John was dead because there is no sign of this being on his mind right? There is no change in his persona as they knew him you know they knew John to be like a very engaging guy fun laughing cracking jokes always

05:09 you know, not kind of secluded or anything like that. Right? He was the same self even after he had come back from court receiving this news that there was going to be an extradition which by the way was not going to happen within the next day week month or year right it's gonna take time yeah which is addressing one of the big things you'll see in the comment sections which is people saying well he knew he wasn't a lot of trouble his face and 30 years so he just offed himself and it's like yeah he rage quit Yeah, rage quit is a great term for it. But I definitely don't think that adds up because there could be appeals you know he's been in trouble before he's not a stranger to it I think he kind of liked the drama and so

05:51 I definitely don't think that it makes any logical sense if you know the man, that he would do such a thing. But his last words to you was...I don't know if it was that day but- I spoke to him twice that day and he said? His last words to me were, dad love you and I'll call you later. So we had, we spoke every day once he was processed and he'd gone through whatever processes to get into prison getting logged in or whatever And so after that, we began speaking every day three times a day for eight minutes. The calls were only eight minutes long and so we would speak in the morning afternoon and then in the evening until I spoke to him before he went to court. I spoke to him after you went to court neither time would I say that his mood had shifted or that he didn't sound like himself or Or that there was some sort of warning You know

06:44 either of those conversations. He was definitely disappointed with the decision, but it wasn't a surprise we knew that they were going to grant the extradition it was obvious but John had a team of attorneys that was working on his case We had two US attorneys because there were two cases one in Tennessee related to the taxes and then one That the SEC brought later after he was in custody for various activities related to the crypto uh, projects he was involved in. Then we had two Spanish attorneys. Um, the initial attorney was not very well versed in extradition and then we later hired someone who was an expert in extraditions and going up against the U S we also had a UK attorney because John had dual citizenship so we were working all angles and we all understood that they were going to grant the extra edition and we were already prepared for next steps

07:38 Well, I think that adds some context to those comments that you'll often see. So when you heard he died my understanding is you were brought in to identify the body and you were only shown him from the neck up? Yeah Was anything suspicious about that? I mean, you didn't get to see the tattoos. Usually they say that's a good way you identify someone which is what I wanted to see which is why I fought so hard to get his body to be able to see that another factor they still are Possessing his no, no, no, no, no, no, no II was able to take possession December sorry December 14th

08:19 of 2023 and they wouldn't allow me to see him then either. I think that probably was really against their procedures, but I did ask and initially the woman there she was like, I think that's something we could do because John wanted to be cremated And so I wanted to just ask, you know can I see him before you do this? Um and the woman initially agreed but then she called someone in. Some guy came in like an hour later and he was completely just completely blocked it

08:59 And so they wouldn't allow me to see him. I had an opportunity, I just didn't have the funds before then as they were... Because obviously he would've needed to be thought out before they could cremate him. So had I've had 20 thousand euros, I could've paid for a pathologist to come down from Madrid to Barcelona and do an autopsy him but I just didn't have the money you know within that sort of two-day time that it was gonna take for him to be prepared for the cremation. Right on so when when you got him in 2023 in December, 2 years after passing was he cremated? Yeah When you got possession of him yeah obviously that's an important detail because the internet has a lot of speculations and

09:50 And granted rightfully so, right? Because again it's not as though I was able to look in the box and see who is in the box. So maybe I'm adding to the conspiracy theories here now but and I understand it because we're talking about John McAfee he faked his a fake heart attack, he faked stroke He spoken about having doubles but I will say just to address this really quickly anytime that he shared anything online about one of his double was not a double, it was actually him. Because I took the pictures and so that's not to say that he didn't have doubles but i'm just saying during the course of our relationship what he reported to be doubles was not actually... Sure! He liked to mess with people. Yes. That's obviously why there's so much speculation and it's hard to know what to believe

10:42 But the doubles thing is interesting. I actually had a picture of one of the times where he did this and, uh... Oh let's see it! Well maybe Travis can pull it up here but That's my pronoun, but he said that one of the guys you know You can tell by the lips there's a difference and then you said one of the guys has arthritis in his hand And then this guy below kind of it kind of does look but that was did you take these pictures? No He took them. They're all him Okay He's a jokester yeah there we go very clever because now what on the bottom does kind of look like an arthritis Yeah Um, let's see if you can see. So that was where we were staying in Spain at that background to that's an art in the living room where we were saying did you ever see a double? No I never saw it. Okay he says he keeps him close so wasn't sure. I never saw a double. I never had sex with a double think I saw somebody comment that like how would I know that it's not the real John McAfee I knew okay so there is yeah

11:43 There are signs Yes, the police opened up this investigation and I know that you've said you got to see footage of the actual like event yeah and Talk to us about that because you know, one of the speculations is that this was faked somehow. And I want to ask you about some things but this is going to be important so tell us what you saw on the police footage you were allowed to see and like, Is there any possibility that you were fooled by your expectations and it kind of being a match but talk to us about what you saw. Oh, I um... What do you mean X-fold? In what sense? Well, you expect to see

12:26 Something that you can take at face value. Oh, right and then in retrospect you might be like hmm Is it possible? That he could still be alive given what I've seen Okay So these are questions that have tortured myself about I'm sorry No It's okay so And I understand why people have the questions I have I have them and had them as well um, so in the footage You see that the hallway is completely empty so it's a hallway and you have the cells on either side of the hallway. John's cell was closest to the camera, you see that his door is slightly ajar this opened just a little bit. That's unusual right off the bat isn't it? I think so because all of the other doors were completely closed

13:16 The guard comes and he's walking down the hallway. He's looking into the little, it's a little thin window that you can look into the cell until he stopping at each cell and he's looking in. And so when he gets to John's opening, he sees him and then all of a sudden he's like waving and he's trying to get people's attention. So the door then slides open, he goes in And you can't see inside the cell. You just see that the door is open and you see that he goes in, so he goes in I think he comes out and then another guard comes down the hallway and then there's two of them now in there There was just a lot of commotion now that happening It's been awhile since I've seen this so I'm trying to give you

14:04 All the details. And so just to skip past all of that, they then bring John out into the hallway right in front of his cell door and they lay him on the floor and they're kind of just standing around because it's just the guards at this time that have him. It's a four-person team medical response team. They're coming down the hall not in a hurry about it but they're coming down the hall and they kind of all surround his upper body. So there's two, there's kind of two on either side up here and then two on either side here. And there's one with

14:45 I don't know what this apparatus is called. They put the thing over their mouth and then they're pumping the bag, I don't know what that apparatus is called but anyways they have that giving him oxygen presumably and they are doing chest compressions and this goes on for over 10 minutes right? And then they finally call him or whatever and they put him back in the cell the door is closed and that's that. For me, the red flags came once I solved

15:24 Once I saw the footage, but then when I looked into the investigative report once I got that and obviously it's in Spanish so it's translated for me. But what they said was... So it was reported that John was found dead and that was not true he was alive He was breathing and had a pulse His breathing was shallow, he had a faint pulse but he was still alive probably unconscious though So the need for giving him oxygen or doing chest compressions, I'm not sure why that would have been needed. Or if that was just standard procedure? So maybe not red flag but just curious yes? Well he definitely wasn't found dead if they're gonna go and do this you know they would have checked a pulse and been like there's nothing we can do right but they obviously were trying to

16:12 get him back. But this is what was initially reported, this is what was shared all over the world to the press that he was dead, he was found dead So often little details don't add up with the mainstream report that everybody remembers And I've heard you say that you also noticed on the video that they didn't take the shoelaces off of his neck. Is that right? I didn't notice that from the video, so we can't see that in the video because you can't really see John's face but you can see what they're doing but you can't really see him But it was going through the police report, the investigative report. There were pictures included and in the pictures, the shoestrings were still around his neck and it was a lot of shoestrings about this thick or

17:02 worth of shoestrings around his neck. So, and just to address this quickly because I've heard...I've seen people comment and say when you go to prison or when you go to jail they take your shoestrings maybe in America um maybe that's because that is standard procedure they take your shoestrings in your belt they'll take anything that you can use to harm yourself but I don't know that was procedure in Spain because John we were able to send John I was able to send John clothes So I sent him shoes that had shoestrings in them and if that was an issue they would have you know not allowed that so Whether that's a discrepancy or not. I'm, not sure whether they were lenient in that sense to allow navis shoestrings I don't know but I do know that he I was able to send him shoes with shoestrings just to address that So the pitchers again The pitchers had you know him with the news around his neck? And also

17:54 Another curious thing was that John was He was found hanging from the window and there was something attached to the window attached to him. I Hanging from the window where that was attached at I don't know it doesn't really say and that whatever it was burned So they used a lighter to burn it get him down from the window. Hmm So so we're talking about evidence being potential evidence being destroyed. Yes, also When I went to the prison to collect his belongings this gentleman that I told you about who is the head of the guards? He made it a point to let me know that his feet were on the floor when he was found

18:34 this was something that stood out to me because that is something that John talked about related to Jeffrey Epstein, you know and how could he have hung himself and his feet were on the floor. Not to mention, you know, Jeffrey Epstein's neck was broken in a few places so it became essential for me to get the full autopsy What happened was during the investigation that lasted about eight months and they refused to release John's body in that eight months because the investigation was open. And so when they tried to attempt it, to close the investigation I was wanting the autopsy and my attorney advised me that if I didn't make an appeal for the autopsy now I can't come back and do it later. I have to do it now or not at all

19:24 And so that's what I did. And instead of them releasing his body, they kept his body the entire time while they decided on whether or not to release a full autopsy report. Right? So On one level, I definitely think that the parallel with Epstein kind of holds water. You got two guys who are in prison in a controlled environment and they apparently have blackmail files on very powerful people then suddenly they both commit suicide in very similar ways and with similar details And one guy specifically said I will never do this and tattooed it on his arm Yes It is

20:06 It seems like the same old playbook that they've done before. So to build the argument that powerful people would actually be motivated to kill him in prison, talk to us about the story of the raid in Belize, the gifted computers and how John seemed to acquire some pretty dark deep secrets because it's a little different than the way Epstein did it? Yeah, so John's living in Belize. I'm not sure exactly when he got there or how long he had been living in Belize before all of his troubles began but while he was there he opened up a coffee shop because you wanted good coffee So we opened a coffee shop

20:48 And he needed, he opened up a taxi ferry service over the water boat service because it couldn't get a ferry to come on time. You know when he needed to be wherever it was so he opened up that business I think there were several others but he turned all of these over to the locals Also, he had built homes for a couple of his girlfriends that he had there. And one of them in particular Amy she was living in an area that was very dangerous and so he donated equipment and money to the local police so that they could you know do their job and she could be living somewhere that was relatively safe

21:25 So, you know John's there just being John right spreading his wealth whatever and he gets a visit to his property from two representatives From the government asking if he would consider giving out 2 million dollar donation for exchange for certain perks You know money women land, whatever it is that his heart desired. And you know he politely declined I guess politely anyways he declined and um He said that a week later they came back or not those representatives but they sent the GSU which is the gang suppression unit

22:03 and they raided his property, they kept him and all persons on the property handcuffed. I guess on their knees in the sun for like over 12 hours. And they destroyed his lab he was working on a topical antivirus and the plant that he was using in the anti-virus was local to that specific area in the jungle where he was They destroyed that lab and they shot one of his dogs, his deaf dog. And so they also arrested him Saying that he had an illegal firearm But he later produced the license for it and they you know drop those charges And let him go until then. He says a week after that Was when those representatives came back and asked him if he changes changed his mind about his donation? And he said no if you get off my property so this for him began war, you know this now he's at war with

23:01 with these people and what he wanted to find was just evidence that he was set up for that raid. And, he wanted an apology from the Prime Minister So what John decided to do was gift laptops to various girlfriends boyfriends of people who were high high up in the government now He never really named those people or who exactly they were He just said high level people within the government. And so on these laptops was key logging information and spyware.

23:37 And so I wonder why people wouldn't question that. Oh, he's just giving out laptops? That's so nice! You're just going to take that from... It must have been really nice laptops maybe but anyway they happily accepted these gifts and I don't even know if he actually personally gave them like how did that even work you never told that part of the story but anyways So they have this information and now John is collecting all of the goods, right? Because imagine if you were into some nefarious activity. You have no idea that anyone could possibly be watching you, right? Because you've made sure of that. You've bolstered your security or whatever but you have this device now that's been inserted into your vicinity and so but you're not knowing this so you're still conducting business as usual So imagine the goods he would have gotten on all these people unbeknownst to them

24:32 This went on for a few months, his collecting this data. And he said that he hired women to kind of parse through the information just to find things related to him because again, he was looking for evidence that he was set up for the raid on his property and instead he found out about drug trafficking human trafficking murder-for-hire from the highest levels within the government so this was Obviously very alarmed. Yeah, yeah so Travis can you pull up the file JM had massive dirt on corruption? So the quote I got from him in an interview he gave is he said...

25:25 And he claimed that he had evidence of deep US involvement and corruption through kind of intergovernmental communication, that these computers were a part of. I mean it seems like he also gave out some other computers who knows exactly who as you say but... I could understand that if there is a network of traffickers of all sorts of unsavory goods, that occasionally people within the US government communicate with the people in the Belize government and there you have it. So this is from one of the deep rabbit holes, conspiracy people they make these mosaics

26:03 Exactly with full context, but this is apparently the top is a quote from his blog which is basically what you said he says I purchased 75 cheap laptop computers and with trusted help installed invisible keystroke logging software on all of them. The kind that calls home to me and discords the text files. I also on command could turn on an off the microphones in cameras and send these files on command I had the computers repackaged as if new. I began giving them away as presents to select people, government employees, police officers, cabinet ministers assistants girlfriends of powerful men boyfriends of powerful women. I hired four trusted people full time to monitor the text files and provide myself with these subsequent passwords for everyone's email Facebook private message boards and other passworded accounts

26:53 The keystroke monitoring continued after password collection in order to document text input that would later be deleted. So nothing was missed. Nothing was missed. Then this stuff below, the middle one talks about the fact that ricin is made from castor plants and maybe there was some speculation in the lab that like poisons could be made there from common plants in the area. And then, the bottom left is someone claiming that his blog in 2020 completely changed. There was a six-year gap between posts and anything before that

27:30 It has his flavor to it. And then after, it seems like it's mostly negative about him because the person that was running at the they had a falling out. OK so you're aware of that? Yes. You can kind of confirm that and then the bottom right he talks about the network of spies Yeah I see here you talk...you have something in this anonymous square here where they're talking about the Hezbollah providing guns. Also, John had talked about how there was passport selling as well too I don't want to get too deep into that but this was also very alarming for him something that was very dangerous he only mentioned it maybe once or twice

28:11 about finding out that information, but it was just curious to know that apparently they were being sold Belizean passports, Hezbollah. And then that's how they were getting you know, to get to the Belize and then there make their way into the States? Yeah, that is really interesting basically yeah exactly how the traffickers were getting into these states and yeah big fake passport operation can you pull up JM spies I asked you about this before we started recording because I did not expect this to be you, but that's you? Yes. That's me Oh my gosh! I love it Nikki Yeah, Nikki adding keystroke logging software to gift computers This part 2 post will itself have to be divided into two parts It turned out much bigger than I thought I believe these are his words

29:02 The photo above is one of the American women working both in Miami and Belize. Frequent government ministers and officials flew to Miami two hours from Belize City for business pleasure, parties or what have you I needed resources in Miami to keep tabs on targets Nikki is preparing a few computers for delivery to friends of hers in Belize She told all her targets that she had a friend in the computer sales business And that friend could provide computers for $100 each Even government officials like a good deal. So the computers were easy to place so the reason why I didn't think it does kind of look like you but I didn't think it was you because I didn't think The timeline was a very good fit because you guys met in 2013 2012 December 2012 and I thought the seeding of computers

29:49 Was way before that. It was and there probably definitely was a Nikki I was not the Nikki but obviously he needed someone to post for this. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah The difficult thing to bring up to someone who lost a person in this fashion is the claims online that he's still alive. And it's not just online because you know about the riding with the devil Netflix documentary and just let me read this from AARP of all places who wrote an article about John and included this He could still be alive. When McAfee was deported from Guatemala to the US in 2013, he left his girlfriend Samantha Herrera back in Belize. He landed in Miami and the very next day hired a prostitute Janice Dyson whom he would later marry. Dyson was still his wife at the time of his death but it's Herrera that we see at the end of the film telling director Charlie Russell that she got a mysterious call several weeks after his death

30:49 She said it was John and he told her he paid people off to fake his death and is now living in Texas. Is it true? Herrera comes off as more convincing than you might think, and Russell says he doesn't know So I have heard you say that you doubt this And I agree Texas would be a weird place for him to hide out But have you ever talked to her about this phone call or getting any more details about it because I would definitely probably want To contact that person and be like what are you talking about um No, I never reached out to her about it because it just for me It reads as BS. You know what's and there's nothing she doesn't come off as believable at all But if you don't know heard then you wouldn't maybe assume that that she did I mean just the way that it was inserted

31:36 there, you know. And the things that she had to say about John were not necessarily favorable but why would he all of a sudden want to call you and have you... But she not only said that people helped him fake his death, she also said that he wanted her to come and meet him somewhere. Yeah we're running away together! Okay. And you had been together for eight years? Yeah, and I'm not saying this as a jealous woman or anything because John had women you know that was just what John did um and-and i didn't demand exclusivity from him so it just is what it is but during the course of our being together whenever Samantha would call he would actually have me answer the phone right because she would be calling and asking for money

32:22 you know, she'd have some sob story about what's going on and why she needs him to send money. Now I will say when John left Guatemala and came back to America he spent like the first six months trying desperately to get both Samantha and Amy to the States because that's what he promised them that he would do that for them. And he went to attorneys to help with that but because of all of the heat that he had, He just it just wasn't able to happen. I will also say that both Amy and Samantha Were the girlfriends that I mentioned who had homes built for them John build them homes They were their homes they have the deed they had

33:05 you know, if they wanted to sell the homes they could. Now Amy kept her home at least from what I understood before John died she kept her home she was doing very well he had put her through school so she was able to graduate from high school got her a tutor she's taught her English and at that time which is about 2014-2015 she was working for one of the wealthiest persons men on the island So she had really turned her life around from you know, her meeting John. You know no longer working as a prostitute But Samantha was not the same, you know She didn't she wasn't able to turn her life around in that same sense and she actually sold

33:46 her home for much less than what it was worth. And so now this is why she was calling John and asking him, you know for money. So this is what I have to say about that now that's not to say she didn't get a phone call. I don't know but I highly doubted. I very highly doubted That is one of the big reasons why people think he might still be alive and there are others. There was a post on a YouTube channel from January of this year, have you seen this? Have you heard about this so it looks like him in his normal setup when he would record things it looked a little bit like our wall here yeah black soundproofing and he'd wear sunglasses well there was a post

34:28 a It's just a short 10 second clip. If he says, I know what you did and I won't forget or something. And I could imagine there's so that nobody knows when something was recorded. You only know when something is posted right? So maybe it was an old clip. Um, that's I think if uh, and he's wearing like this ring silver ring in it, maybe do have a clip of it. I don't think I have that. Okay. That got a lot of stuff but not that. Okay. Um, I do have I can say this, any of the videos that you have seen posted of John since his death are not new. None of them are new they're all pre-recorded so then this is the only other

35:14 element of the case that he could still be alive. There was a Bitcoin magazine article from April of 2024, it says mysterious and one thought dead antivirus mogul John McAfee has been reported by multiple sources to have been seen walking the streets of El Salvador One reporter was able to briefly speak with him before being rushed away by security. The reporter said, Mr McAfee we thought you killed yourself in prison? Why are you alive in El Salvador? McAfee says I didn't kill myself like Epstein didn't kill himself. I'm an El Salvador for the havening party at this point security shut down the conversation and whisked him away to a private location, away from reporters. The government of El Salvador has yet to respond to the news of a once thought dead fugitive roaming the streets of their country many are speculating that John McAfee could be joining Max Keiser as an advisor for the country

36:09 Bukele has been reportedly very worried about malware attacking the country's critical infrastructure and McAfee expertise in antivirus could be very useful for national security reasons. Of course, people know El Salvador is the Bitcoin country so he could have an interest but I thought this was a pretty interesting post. That's very interesting as my first hearing of it. Okay bringing something new to the table. Yes you are bringing something And I will say, I would love for John to have made it out of there. I would love for Spain to not have been his end. Not in that way because he deserved better. Of course like...I don't want to give you false hope and i'm just saying look these are the things that are speculated about the parallels with Epstein too That's another thing a lot of people think that he got out so that he was too valuable and that he's probably doing what he was always doing just under some pseudonym now

37:04 That brings up another thing I was going to get to eventually, but there is drone footage of Epstein. Apparently it looks like him you know he's looking up at a drone and it's on the island after he was supposedly dead so But you just said that we don't know when these things were recorded yeah? Exactly well in that case we kind of have an idea because there's the rusty Shackleford stuff Now I know just by your reaction. So Rusty Shaka Ford made this, uh, an account under the pseudonym and took a drone to Epstein's Island and got some of the best footage anywhere he filmed the FBI snooping around inside. He filmed into the window of that temple where there was a mattress in an empty room with some scaffolding and

37:53 People think that this was John because he was tweeting about having a drone like this during the same time period and he Was out traveling on the yacht at this time. Does any of this make sense to you? Were you anywhere near little st. St James with him around like November of 2019 No, not November 2019 we were actually we were in the Caribbean though in The Bahamas Yeah, we left we left America in January Of 2019 See this is one of his tweets not to interrupt you, but this it's actually a video I just got a screenshot of it But that's his account November 2019 Talking about a new drone if the person who flew the drones over Epstein's Island had this baby at the time We would have been able to read the fine print on the papers that the FBI was packing up. Yeah

38:40 You know that could be a little bit of a coded message and John's not He smart enough to leave a little code like that And the my understanding is the videos the actual videos were posted right around this time. What else do we have labeled Shackleford? So yeah, this is just a 4chan post of a guy who's trying to figure out or making the case that they are the same person. There's a timeline where McAfee goes dark and then five days after Rusty Shackleford starts posting his drone videos And then this guy says I have a light bulb moment and I realize Maccabee is on a boat in the Caribbean and probably has a drone and definitely has the time to do this since he's on The Lamb. Then of course, here's a tweet from McAfee in April showing off his wife's new drone. Yeah. And then this guy says Twitter suspended his account right after he connected these dots

39:31 And it just strongly implies that his dead man switch and possible arrest are Epstein related. Your thoughts on this? So, so yes we were in the Caribbean from January until July, July mid-July of 2019 So we were in the Bahamas, in Cuba and back to the Bahamas and back to Cuba. And then finally the Dominican Republic. Yeah I think actually on one of those screenshots it says it was tweeted from Cuba. Yeah and I do believe Rusty Shackleford is related to John. Do you? In some way yes. Okay! Yes We've cracked the case No I could see his curiosity

40:19 Especially but I'm not confirming or nor denying whether this is true. I'm just saying, I do believe that rusty is related to you to John in some way Yes fair enough yes It seems like a lot of things kind of sync up so let me also ask you Let's back up to the the wax stuff You know I told y'all was gonna bring this up at this. I'm basically a placeholder for all of the 4chan techno libertarian bros questions they would want to ask you if they could and If we have the whacked The picture of the tattoo, I don't know but he that he tweeted the tattoo and said at that time Like I wrote it on my arm. You know this is not gonna happen He said I'm getting subtle messages from the US officials saying in effect We're coming for you McAfee were going to kill yourself.

41:09 I got a tattoo today just in case. If i suicide myself, check my right arm." This makes the theme of the token seem very important. He tattooed it on him so clearly there's something there and And he claimed to have a 31 terabyte dead man switch that would trigger in a very complex setup if his life were to end. And I know you've said, you don't know anything about it but I have to ask because I've been down some threads that go very deep on this. Have you learned anything more about the potential of a dead man's switch or anything connected even to the WAC token? So what I will say about the WAC token is that and the dead man switch is that

41:52 extremely an extremely clever way to disguise said dead man switch. It would I do believe that john had a dead man's which i do not believe that it would have been left in one person's control to release it because that's just not john style he wouldn't have I just, I just couldn't see that happening but but embedding it somehow in the blockchain would definitely be something very clever that john would. Just a way to, I don't know. I just don't want to say too much but I do think it's very clever and would be a clever way to disguise the dead man switch however there was something that happened something went awry right because i don't believe that John is still with us. I fully believe that he would have found a way to reach out

42:55 whether it was reach out specifically to me or, or, or reach out to the world in some way. We would have seen something by now it's been four years and we would have heard something concrete not Oh maybe this may be that and we're trying to do all of this crazy math to figure out if they wouldn't have been anything like that because his hubris would not have allowed him to stay quiet for this long. Yeah I do agree with that although is 80th birthday would be September right? So let's keep an eye out there. I didn't want to ask you about this, so this is something people speculate that picture of you on the bottom right? That's a very common picture that's like if you Google your name it's everywhere You're wearing the same ring as John's wearing in that picture. Yeah, you have it right there Right yeah, let me see that Can I just touch it oh my gosh no weird symbolism than I see

43:54 Now the 4chan people are gonna come after me on this. Did he give you that ring just before he was arrested? No, actually this was in his property when I collected it from the prison Just for the sake of catching everybody up to speed on the arguments that WACT has something to do with this. So, this is the way the story goes once the WACT token comes out and of course this tweet gets people to speculate then they notice that the addresses of the token holders match Kind of 31 terabytes of info because it has thirty one thousand seven hundred and twenty-one holders of the token. And you can probably pull up the next thing here, Travis, because I think it's going to

44:38 be exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, you can see because everything on the blockchain is tracked so there's Wax, the token, there's the holders and then this is also him saying, Bahaman officials coming today if I'm arrested or disappear 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press so this could be like him just being dramatic and Exaggerating but I don't think so because he actually got a phone call about that and they said do not docs a CIA agent. Oh

45:18 I wondered if that actually is there a follow-up to this tweet or no? There is a follow up where he talks about that where he was dissuaded from but he later does he does release information about the Bahamian officials and And so the reason was because we were so we were you know, chilling in The Bahamas doing what it was. We were doing and um He got information that there the police chief was going to have John arrested for anything, you know Drunk and disorderly or something made up so that they could just get him into custody and then ship them back to the States because they're And they don't have income tax. And so we could not have been extradited from the Bahamas for that You know what? We were on the run from well I even think the claims The charges let's say

46:09 are a little bit suspects yes because you know the whole famous story about the pony did all this stuff but he got caught on tax evasion if they're looking for you they're gonna go this route because everybody has mistakes or things on their taxes and If they... But John didn't, I'm sorry to interrupt but John didn't have any of that because he wasn't filing. Yeah he says that exactly so he wasn't filing and he also says he's living off money from the sale that happened years ago so there is no income to claim anyway this is what he says but the US government Didn't seem to be all that concerned with other crypto scams at the time Jake Paul still walking around out there podcasting You know, he's a major crypto scammer So and then he's easy to catch too because they know where is so it seems like this was about something else I think so because John was not shy about sharing him not paying his taxes. Like he spoke about it often Yeah

47:06 and everywhere. So if they wanted to, they could come and seize properties and belongings and anything they could have done while we were living in the States. We were living in Tennessee It wasn't really unknown that we were in Tennessee. They could have come and found us any time. Travis, can you pull up Whacked Gavin? I find this one to be interesting with wallet addresses they're always anonymous strings of characters but at the time you could actually kind of change that. So you could make it an address that is more like a website so that if I wanted to have people donate crypto to me, I could make it higher side dot ETH instead of this crazy string of letters? Well this is an interesting one where people are looking at the token holders of this waxed token and one of them is this

47:57 It's you see an underline it says Gavin McClellan dot eat. This is what this guy did all the other ones are random characters, but not this one so then he tweets But this tweet just shows that he was aware of John and also the WACs token. And then down below is this Gavin guy's Twitter, and you know on Twitter it'll tell you if high profile people follow you. Right there it says followed by Senator Ted Cruz. Oh that's interesting! So why does Senator Ted Cruz follow this random crypto guy that's involved in John's token? Is one of the holders of the WACs token in particular?

48:36 It's just interesting that someone of that caliber would even know about this or be concerned at all. Very much so, very interesting Have you met Senator Ted Cruz? I have not. Have you met Gavin McLean? No, but that video is really cool the calling bros. They filmed it in our house in Tennessee We had a lot of fun filming that. It's a nice little rap video if I remember correctly So then this just kind of fills out the story it comes from a 4chan poster where they say people have noticed that the WACC token burns itself at 10% per transaction

49:14 I speculate this means the token itself is a timer. Once it's all burned, the other token aftershock will start doing shit Given that there are 31 thousand whacked addresses That roughly corresponds to the alleged 31 terabytes of files and my current working theory Is that whacked is a way of disseminating data on the blockchain while counting itself down To avoid the possibility of the blockchain being flooded with redundant data I guess the aftershock token will have some key related to it. Shortly before dying, John tweeted, Boolean XOR exploit by which you can track data sets by running some iterative process x times x plus one times and

49:56 Any tech-minded anons probably want to read those tweets and think about whatever the fuck that means. So then it goes on, another 4chan poster says we calculated about 47 to 51 days until WACD actually counts down they say flatlines and then Glitch and Aftershock these other tokens that are kind of associated with the same blockchain should wake up now August 11th at this time was 48 days So well within that window 47 to 51 days and August 11th was the day that FEMA and the FCC planned that nationwide emergency test. So when you say that something happened, I really think we're talking about a cat-and-mouse thing here with

50:44 John trying to do this and then them getting wind of it and desperately trying to keep it from coming out. And this is one of those elements, and it goes on to say that there was the big blackouts for Amazon and Facebook and Google at this time The WAC token started pumping when the counter went down and there was also a countdown on the website is my understanding. I read a comment from a user who says they were there for the countdown and the site crashed, then 15 minutes later a new counter came up counting down to one hour but it crashed again and basically just didn't do anything so

51:22 So maybe it was compromised. What do you have any thoughts on what I'm laying out here? Does this make sense to you? Do you know about the details of this countdown or anything? I don't really know the details about that but um That belaying tweet was really really strange that John wanted me to put out Because when he was in prison, I was the one tweeting from his account. Yeah the what tweet double bullying Oh that okay the thing I read boo lane XOR exploit yeah And it definitely seemed like there was a message in there That was meant to be given to whoever was reading the tweet you know There was like a series of weird tweets they're just before He died and so

52:02 Like I said, I think something happened. It should have been released and something happened to prevent that from happening, I believe. That's what this data kind of suggests. This timeline suggests that and The other big element of it is the Miami condo collapse. Now I know you hear this gets roped in, first off I wanted to throw in that the WACC countdown apparently gave coordinates of Highland Park Texas 2.4 miles from Dealey Plaza another Texas reference okay that is interesting That is very interesting I think I might have had that slide but its just some coordinates and then let's talk about the Miami condo collapse because this is speculated to be the location

52:45 31 terabyte hard drive or the actual hard copy of it and It mysteriously collapsed the day after John supposedly died in prison the video of it Which I think we might be able to play. The video of this collapse definitely shows Look at the bottom here boom what's that? Yeah, now is that electrical equipment and something collapsing under the weight That looks like a controlled demolition. Looks like 9-11 to me, this is also not a slum I've read people saying that oh well it's just some shitty building on the coast It's like no Miami is not a cheap place to live These condos are apparently close to 900 thousand each

53:32 I don't know. That looks very suspicious to me, so you have this building that falls the day after John dies and then Mossad is brought in. I also have a thing of that. Mossad is brought in to investigate this Yeah, which was always very strange. I leave myself vulnerable here without enough alleged leads and supposedly. Now, I'm not going to let this go about John potentially being still alive but okay so if you were if this was true there's any truth to this? You would expect the building to go down and then you kill the person because you've compromised material. This happened the other way

54:22 So the speculation is what if John was allowed to fake his death on the condition that he gave up the material, hence the building coming down the day after and not before? I thought about that but I also thought... See John was very valuable but he was unpredictable. He was uncontrollable So this made him dangerous. And so yes, the case could be made for you know him being able to get out and and you know I'm giving up that information or They just said screw it, let's just whack him and we'll deal with the fallout later. So the big question is there anything really connecting John to this building? The speculation is he owned one of these condos can you confirm or deny I don't know I have no idea about that they've also heard someone say something about his son having

55:17 a condo there or living in the building or something. One of his 47 children? Yes, yes but I did find it extremely strange that they brought an Israeli excavation team to you know help with, you know, with recovery. But also someone explained to me that this was... I guess Miami is highly populated with Jewish people and maybe there were possibly some people that were Jewish living there and so naturally the Jews look out for themselves. So of course they would have brought people in to help find their people. Allegedly

55:55 So, I mean that is most...I'm glad I wanted to fit all that into the first hour. I was trying to move really quickly because this is the stuff that is most speculated about. Are there conspiracies or elements of details you've heard? That I didn't bring up but actually think are kind of interesting and keep you up at night? I think the main thing that bothers me it's just that I wasn't able to see his body. His full body. That is what bothers me And then also, you know after John when he initially died people were putting out videos and saying see he's alive this video. That was really infuriating for me because they were all pre-recorded videos none of them... so a little bit of hope would rise and then be shattered when I saw the videos cause I am looking. I want him to not be dead

56:53 Of course. I want that to not have been his end because he was deserving of so much better. I love to imagine that he's somewhere on some island, you know with a big booty native girl feeding him grapes and fishing and just having a good time but...I just don't believe it to be true again why most importantly? Because his hubris would not allow him to stay silent for this long It just wouldn't I agree. So did you ever see any of the material that he extracted, even if it's mundane stuff that was just recorded from these computers? Did...I mean it seems like you were helpful in maybe getting them out there but did you ever see material come back? No. That was a

57:39 I don't want to say about my pay grade, but it was just not something that he would have shared with me. Just for my own safety. I wanted to ask you a little bit more about... First off, I guess I would say a lot of people probably expect you to have millions of dollars You know, obviously he had some I've heard a story of the past where you talked about a road trip Where you went from Portland or you went from Tennessee to Portland and? He would stop and it took him three weeks because he would stop and he'd be gone for a few hours And he was like getting caches that he had stored. Yeah

58:16 roadside for emergencies. I mean, I put that in the box of things he would do but he apparently could take cash and bury it under a tree somewhere and then go dig it up at the time. But when he passed there's not really a lot... You don't have access to a lot of funds? No. Let's say- We actually got divorced before we left the States. And so he left me things in our divorce But obviously we continued our relationship after that. Was that a strategic divorce? Or was it an actual... Am I allowed to say yes? I think so. I don't think you should say yes because then what if the, allegedly there we go

58:56 Fair. You care, you care? You had a divorce and then you got back together perhaps. Yes. All right. This is what happened that might be unfortunate for the inheritance type of thing. Of course if you're in trouble for tax evasion and these sorts of crimes I'm sure a lot of that stuff is confiscated any available imagine so I don't know what happened with any of that. And also John didn't have a will So there was no estate, there was no giving out of things as far as I understand. That's all just to say talk to us about this crypto project that you're actually working on with this AI John!

59:41 Epstein and it is a AI generated John, and I don't know where the text that he's reading comes from. I'm curious where the monologue comes from? Is that generated from just an AI trained on all of the available content? Yes. And so the AI creates content for the podcast. The AI created the artwork for the podcasts and creates the artwork for the podcasts. He came up with the name of it which is really cool. And yes, it's just from John's Twitter account and interviews keynote speeches that John has done so we're still fine tuning the AI it has his voice but it just doesn't have that wild card you know sort of

1:00:25 you know, what is this guy going to say next? You know ability to kind of draw you in. So we're still working on it very much but the project is called Antivirus. It's spelled A-I-N-T-I virus as a play on the antivirus and you can find it at antivirus.ai, and so the project is basically just reviving all of the privacy tools that Don was working on before he died so he had other projects he was working on and Josh Case was actually a part the WACT token. He actually was the project manager on that token as well as a project manager on the GOES token, as well that John had and so he has taken up this antivirus project and just kind of reviving those ideas that he worked on personally with John And so that's what we're trying to do bring

1:01:21 bring privacy back to the individual as they transact in the cryptocurrency world on the blockchain. Right on, so what does it actually do? I mean you're working with people who previously worked with John because technical expertise has to be there And this is a token that if you hold it, your disseminates some kind of privacy within your wallet? Yes. Yes it is. It's a privacy token and we also have gift cards that you can purchase with the token as a means of being able to cash out some of your crypto. We also have eSIMs So that gives you another layer of privacy. We're working on a VPN

1:02:04 And we are also working on encrypted email to just add those layers of necessary privacy so that you can move your money privately because no one should know what you're holding, that should be no one's business. And so we can see with the things that are happening why I'm excited about it or why is so important to me? One instance of this gentleman named Robert Moss who was a firefighter in the UK and he had made some untavery comments about his former employers and he was arrested because of that. So we should have some sort of privacy like

1:02:44 and fringes. Obviously, it's the UK and that maybe can not happen here but you should be able to air a grievance you know? And it was private communication you know so these things should not be until we need to bolster our privacy as it relates to our finances definitely we should have better mechanisms in place to keep us from prying eyes, you know. I agree yeah that's the speculation of what the next few years is going to be about Trump passed the Stable Act or the Genius Act for the stable genius stable coins and there's a Clarity Act

1:03:22 And the speculation is that these stable coins are going to kind of be a level jump in the economy and then they're going to disseminate crypto through social media companies like X and Facebook, because when it comes to people out in the world—in the third world, second world—they have these apps. So if you can hold American money in them That's a value to someone in Central America or all over the place. And then, you know these social media companies can take it away based on what you say again on the same platform so if your social media is also your bank and this is the way you express yourself you now have to be careful what you say because If you are too vested in this economy then they can pull it

1:04:11 Yeah, exactly. But this is why the need for decentralized exchanges as well but I think we're kind of really dropping the ball in the crypto industry because they will come in and usurp it there that this is what they're trying to figure out now and so what was meant to free us will now just greatly imprison us even more because we're not coming together as a community, because there's enough on the table for all of us to to have our bags moon, you know what I'm saying? And buy Lambos and all that crazy stuff that we wanna do. But I think for the most part we all just wanna live a free and unencumbered life right? I just wanna be free to do what I want to do with my life and that should not be a problem with anyone. And I think if anything this situation with COVID should scare us too and make us aware of what is able to happen now that precedent has been set

1:05:09 Right? And so when you do say something that they don't like, we even see with the Canadian truckers who had their bank accounts frozen. That's scary! We don't want that happening to us. So we need these decentralized exchanges. We need privacy coins like Monero. We need privacy tools that allow us to have sort of cloak cloaking device, if you will of our finances. Yeah? Yeah and you mentioned COVID that was another thing that John tweeted about that he was way ahead of and he said under no circumstances should you take that vaccine and that was February of 2020 very early and I went

1:05:50 So there's a lot of tweets and things that are attributed to him, that maybe he didn't say. Everything that I brought up today and showed on the screen, I went and found on the actual timeline that is still there so... That was interesting. And apparently he follows me. That was you right? Yeah Okay good! Joe Rogans followed me for years and uh.. I don't know maybe it's his wife too. Okay cool! Well before we call it in What can people do to help maybe? Is there any other big call to action you'd like to leave people with? No, just keep digging. Keep questioning everything and follow the money when you follow the money You will find whatever it is that your searching for And by follow the money you mean follow the wax token

1:06:39 That too. Yeah, that too as well but honestly just keep digging because I'm just one person and the only thing that I can do is share my experience, share what I know You know, again while making sure I don't share something that will put me in any danger. But I've shared quite a lot here today. Now, I'm not asking you what it is but do you feel like you have things that you won't share that would put your life in danger? A fair amount of things? Maybe exact specifics about our time in Spain. Yeah, I think um... That's something that I try to skirt around

1:07:21 But, but I will in saying that. I will say that there's clues there everything is on John's Twitter account right? I'm sorry X yes Everything's there everything's there There's breadcrumbs to be followed so Okay we'll get out there Awesome. Well, thank you for being so candid and for sharing this stuff I know it's difficult like you did have a real relationship This is someone you care about So it can probably get raw at times and the internet You know doesn't hold back And so I tried to bring up a lot of the things that are these speculations out there and inquiring minds want to know? So thanks for doing it. Yeah No, thanks for having me. This was awesome. It's not some chat right on

1:08:07 And boom goes the dynamite. How about that people? Not a bad choice for the inaugural first in-person interview and THC's long 15 year history, right close to what like a thousand episodes maybe and we finally get an in person guests and not alone can be a bit of an adjustment already. And then to have it be something so personal which is also kind of rare around here as another layer And I feel a bit bad going so hard on the John is still alive threads, but I told myself that the goal is to address as much of the rumors and speculation as we can. Whether she knows anything about a thing or not? I just want the internet to know I asked and she's heard it all before. She has made up her own mind about the prospect of

1:09:02 John faking his own death and she's comfortable with her conclusion. I never want to give a person false hope when they lose a loved one, but there are reasons to wonder! First off the old girlfriend straight up saying that he contacted her from Texas where the countdown coordinates pointed to And in the Reddit thread, there were kind of jokes about going there with a shovel yet. Never any true followup I'd like to know if there's any more that story but then we have the Bitcoin magazine article yeah that might just be for clicks but if he were alive being a bitcoin maxi and considering his previous locales El Salvador is sort of convincing

1:09:51 Also, all the stuff with his body. Them being so careful about how it was shown to Janice and then holding off for a year and then giving her cremated remains? Hey maybe that is just what it is but its not exactly typical protocol and definitely not confirmation of death Anyway, then there's all the Epstein parallels and I'm convinced Epstein is still alive actually due to the rusty shackle Ford. I think drone shot on the Island where someone who looks just like Epstein is looking up at the drone with a sort of well, I don't like that expression on their face and then there's the ear analysis you always gotta look at the ears

1:10:37 And they're quite different when it comes to the dead body and other photos of Epstein that you can find. Every situation is different, who knows? And I understand Janice's point about John's ego but maybe he feels like after getting caught again there's really no place left to go with all the baggage of his true identity Hard to say, but if we don't see something on his 80th birthday here in September than we probably won't. If there ever was going to be a reveal that's a great time for it right? But I did enjoy hanging out with Janice. I can't believe I got to actually hold the ring that he was wearing when he was arrested. That's kind of fun especially since it is part of the curiosity or skepticism that there might be something being signaled

1:11:28 Didn't have any weird logos on it or any symbolism on it as far as I could tell. But Janice is super genuine. All of the conversation before and after the interview was great, she really couldn't have come across as a nicer person or more sincere. I even asked her if she wanted to smoke a joint in the parking lot and she said no cause he's trying to remain on the sober train now which I understand if you've seen running with the devil, I get why she might make that decision for herself But I also asked before we got started as a host, I always ask about promo stuff. Especially if it's as complicated is the anti-anti crypto project that she seems to be working on with the AI John thing and I was like what do I need to know about that? She said well you know its fine I don't even really care if we get into that I just want people to keep asking questions about this story and hear the truth and get two more truths

1:12:31 So I thought that was great too and worth pointing out. And yes, I also just don't want to distract away from the core issue and the core issue is that this is not a suicide like the official story says whether he's alive or not. That's a side issue. The core issue is that they've lied to us about the narrative it seems because I don't know how a person could be any more clear about not being suicidal saying it tattooing at Being the guy John was, there's many reasons to not believe it. But the biggest thing here is her not confirming or denying that there's a decent chance the dead man switch is real and available in some capacity still out there to be found if you can crack the whacked code

1:13:23 And saying that there are clues all over his Twitter and that the posts made around that time should be looked at again, because remember John was in prison and he was having her tweet for him. And it seemed like he was very careful about the exact wording of these messages. And to me, it makes sense that he would be in the mindset of starting to seed some clues just to make sure people had a chance at finding it. And apparently it's still out there unaccounted for I presume that's sort of what these interviews are about her going out there and doing a couple, a little nudge to the internet to say, Hey, keep looking. I think the real meat of her plea for that was actually in the plus show. What are you going to do? It's the format we have and of course the conversations always get deeper and more interesting as they go on. And this one did too.

1:14:20 It's an episode where I don't really love the paywall situation, but it is the cost of being ad free and saying fuck the idea of sponsored content. Media has always only come in two ways either give it to people for free to influence them through propaganda or what have you and fill it full of ads using the attention you've gained from the entertainment to extract some money for a shitty product not necessarily shitty but a product and the only other option Has been more like the old world of the movie theater, where you buy a ticket and you take the ride. And that is my preference of the available options for podcasting. So sign up if you want to hear the second hour of this interview and all the two-hour interviews going back along long time, the higher side chats.com

1:15:14 And I hope people find this one compelling. Janice actually gave me the name of the guy who developed the whacked protocol with John, she said she didn't know if he would do an interview or not, but it might be a lead worth following we'll see how much interest there is in this and I don't even know how close to what I want to get. Yeah you know John was a complex character anybody who's seen gringo or running with the devil can attest to that But Gringo really doesn't sit well with me. It seemed like a pretty clear hit piece and the chick who made it was really toying with the line of harassment, I think when it comes to pursuing John personally to participate in the film he's a private citizen and she really just seemed to be driven by how can I tear this guy down and force him into participating and badger all his contacts for my own benefit?

1:16:11 Just seems slimy to me. But if Gringo is to be believed, then he essentially had two guys killed and raped his lab tech. And I talked to Janice about the rape claim afterwards. She doesn't see it in his character to pull a Cosby when he has plenty of willing prostitutes all over the place. He wasn't shy about that and I agree but I could also see us scenario where a guy Hires this cute girl and pours all this money in, and she becomes a big pain in the ass and produces nothing. And he thinks, well, I should get something out of it. And it's not about access to sex. It's about this particular transaction and a consolation prize for all the investment. I'm not saying John thought that way. I'm just saying some guys would, and I'm definitely going to raise my daughter too be aware enough

1:17:09 That if any guy is pouring a lot of money and resources into funding something for her, that she should know that he's probably motivated by an attraction. And if you're not going to go that direction with this person it's probably best to not take anything they might be offering because one day they might want to come in collect And I think any young girl should have that awareness. And I don't know what happened in this situation, but the way she talks is almost like she was just entitled to this guy's money and resources and doing her thing. And it should all just be on the up and up. And it's really just not how the world works sometimes again, not really commenting on that situation itself because I don't know. And when you have a documentary that seems

1:18:01 to be definitely not objective, then you really can't even make an assessment. So that's what I would say about that plus you just don't poison dogs though either right? Shame! But, you know I decided from the beginning of this that I didn't really want to waste any time on moral judgments here. My motivation is really just to get deeper insights into the dead man switch possibility and to talk about the red flags as to why the suicide in prison story is suspect. That's it!

1:18:38 So we went through the threads I could find on behalf of the chans and I hope that there's some sort of new chapter to this story eventually, whatever that means. That said in higher side news, We let the clip genie word search transcript archive access run a bit long. I hope regular plus people were getting in there and enjoying it. Some people did express how useful and fun it is to have the ability To find any instance In that word search that a certain term or name had been used in any past interview because a lot of these interviews can be information dense. So to have that is fun if you engage with it,

1:19:20 And thanks to everybody who has converted over. Definitely enough people now to say it was a success video is fun, especially on an episode like today where we leaned into it way more than usual. It was great to have so many visual references from her and me prepared while were in the studio together using the back screen stars really aligned for this one And as we tend to do in these wrap ups, let's talk about the rating of the last episode. Mark Gober was our guest and I thought he brought it with a lot of good points good at making his case for a whole wide range of things now we did have it at a 4.9 but I guess over the last two days that has come down a bit too a 4.5

1:20:11 I still think that's good. It's a little low to be honest, but I know some of the subject matter was pretty polarizing and he didn't have much to say about who would perpetrate such massive deceptions but I guess 4.5 is still 9 out 10 if we think about it that way then I have no reason to complain there are definitely shows out there like The fighter in the kid who would kill to have their episodes rated like ours are. So it's all good. Okay? And then as for the meetup calendar, where you can throw an event to meet more like-minded locals over a few drinks and a mutual enjoyment of these here interviews let's see what we got

1:20:55 Sunday, September 7th. The trails cafe in Los Angeles Wednesday, September 10th we got one at canal street arcade and deli and Dayton Ohio and September 14th. We got sour duck market in Austin Texas I think that's a new one then Monday, September 15th Auckland New Zealand Gail Bratz ale house all right so we've got four for September I'd like to be reading off more like 10 because I know there are listeners everywhere, but it is what it is. People tell me they liked the calendar. They tell me they appreciate the opportunity to make listening to this podcast not such an isolating experience and they want more physical meetups with the events on the calendar speak for themselves. And it's a little light that's all right

1:21:45 Either way. Thanks for listening big thanks to Janice for putting herself out there I know she's going to be judged quite a bit, but she is tough and i'm glad she took me up on the offer when I asked take care of you in yours i've done my part your move 4chan clue finders dead man switch sleuths and whacked blockchain code breakers your fucking some of us saw all of this first Now it's everywhere you look Like a frog in boiling water It all started Is this over? It's bleeding right through I've been hurt How about you? Tune it out The only way of fuck the system feel You don't wanna say, I told you so I just want you to see it my Can't just step off the gas this time

1:23:43 Experiment is over now, there are no more guinea pigs. BabySoc I'll see you on the other side. I can get The sentiment give them any more time. You break before you break Don't tune it out while you live when you give up Fuck the system feel down as a cum play for Wanna say I told you so I just wanna