James DeMeo | Wilhelm Reich, Orgone Energy Devices, & The Cosmic Ether

00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood Rock me like a hurricane higher side chatters from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood. And if we've learned anything over the years it's that the system will stop at nothing to keep power control the narrative and silence anyone whose presence disrupts their game plan of course there are many examples we could look at but few have faced the wrath like the late great Wilhelm Reich

01:53 Not only did he discover what he called Orgon Energy, a glowing blue biocosmic life energy that permeates from microbes plants animals and nature itself. He also created devices like the Orgon Accumulator that had major healing and immune boosting effects, as well as the Cloudbuster which could manipulate the orgon energy in the air to cause rain or even make a desert. And not only that but he also noticed an increase in UFO activity during some cloudbuster trials wrote a book on that wrote a book on fascism and spoke out frequently about the repressive society we're participating in

02:33 As you might imagine, Reich's work landed him in prison until the day he died and his books banned from interstate commerce and burned en masse. One has to wonder if he was really just a crackpot and his work had no value why such effort to eradicate it when it could just die out on its own? Well luckily his work does live on today with the bright and bold folks willing to carry the torch And few are as dedicated or knowledgeable as today's guest Dr James DeMaio James formally studied the earth, atmospheric and environmental sciences at Florida International University and the University of Kansas where he earned his PhD in 1986. At KU he openly undertook the first graduate-level natural scientific research specifically focused on Wilhelm Reich's controversial discoveries subjecting those ideas to rigorous testing with positive verification of the original findings

03:31 Dr. DeMaio subsequently undertook drought-related field research in the arid American Southwest, Egypt, Israel and Sub-Saharan Africa His published works include dozens of articles and papers as well as several books like his newly expanded and revised edition of The Organ Accumulator Handbook And his most recent release The Dynamic Ether Of Cosmic Space Correcting A Major Error In Modern Science Of course, such work has seen James blacklisted and ostracized from the inner circle of academia. But the work continues on at the Oregon Biophysical Research Lab which he founded in 1978 Well he certainly knows a thing or two about a thing or two and I'm psyched to have him here The suppressed science scientist, the Oregon and Ether advocate And a bona fide first hand cloud buster James welcome to The Higher Side

04:24 Well, thank you Greg for that glowing endorsement. I appreciate it! Yes, I try and... definitely done some respectable work and I appreciate you being here. Been looking forward to this for a long time, you were kind enough to send me signed copies of both the Organ Accumulator Handbook and the Dynamic Ether of Cosmic Space very much appreciated loved them both! And i think the audience here is at least a little familiar with those terms but let me ask about the relationship between them? I've heard you call ether sort of cosmic life energy Life energy is the term used to describe organ. What differentiates these two energies from one another because they do seem pretty similar to a layman?

05:08 Well, both originated from completely different starting points. The idea of cosmic ether as a substrate in the universe for transmission of light waves that goes back to the 1700s actually, the necessity for a medium to explain the wave nature of light So, for example if you have sound waves they wave in the air. If you have water waves they wave in the water so light has a distinct set of wave properties that can be reflected refracted interfered interference you can make standing waves and so forth. What's the medium through which light is traveling that allows it to express these wavelike properties?

05:55 And that idea persisted all the way into the early nineteen hundred. When some of the first instruments optical instruments were developed by which one could evaluate for the existence of the cosmic ether, and the famous experiment of michaelson morally everybody knows that's in all the textbooks and it the way it's described in a textbook is totally bogus because they say Michael some more got a negative result and therefore spaces empty. And this brought in the aftermath of that error in the early textbooks it brought in a whole series of new theories such as Einstein's relativity, The Big Bang Theory ideas about black holes and things that are very popular today or the dominant theories today are challenged at their basic foundational level

06:49 by the existence of a cosmic ether. In fact, Einstein wrote that one of the basic starting assumptions of his relativity theory is that the ether cannot exist at least materially with properties that can be attributed to it By contrast the idea of life energy, well first of all it's an ancient concept. The idea of life energy almost every culture has some kind of a term about it you find all kinds of scientific experiments going back to Mesmer, Hahnemann with homeopathy some aspects of early folklore and agriculture and so on speak about life energy and that living things have their own specific

07:34 biological energy and it's not something that is biochemical, it's something that really is like a radiant energy field which has powerful biological influence. Now Reich was unique in that he did more research on this concept of life energy proving that it was real thing tangible experimentally demonstrated thing And much in the same way that early ether experimenters in the early nineteen hundred they also got positive result but it was a small result what's on a huge result everybody expected.

08:11 Now, Michelson-Morley detected an ether drift speed of that the earth was moving through the ether of space and this could be detected with these optical interferometers. And he detected a speed of something between or approaching 5 to 7.5 kilometers per second now That's a pretty respectable speed if i said i had an airplane that would move five or seven point five kilometers per second without out pace even the best. High performance jets that are here today use various military and later another scientist datan miller who is the top,

08:49 Research scientist of his day he was a mainstream guy. He was the top of this field president of the American optical society american acoustical society member, the national academy sciences and you know just on and on with all the awards and memberships that he had earned over the years for his work actually detected in eleven point five. kilometer per second if your drift speed and he did so by going up high on a mountain mount wilson specifically. And the interesting thing was that there's been number of ether experimenters over the years, who have gone up high on mountains or at least various elevations and the higher up that they went the faster with the drifts be that they could detect

09:36 And this if you think of the earth like just make a fist and push it through the air, you can feel a breeze as you move your fists through here but. The speed up the wind that your experience in there is slow down next to skin surface so you want to put these effects the skins are surface where the ether flows more slowly Close to the surface because it's a material ether and its like water moving in a pipe it moves lowest where comes into physical contact with the pipe do friction. Show me if there has a low speed close to the earth and higher speed the higher up you going out to, add that aspect was ignored by all of the people may say or so those ether drift experiments

10:24 Because it implied that the ether was a very material thing and it's hard to know the psychology behind why this happened but all of those textbooks examples where they say that you can never detected or michaelson morally prove the ether did not exist, they claim that there was no result at all if they don't know result. If you go to their original paper there eighteen eighty seven paper which they published got everybody look up their work they saying very clearly They got this five to seven point five kilometers per second result. And that it wasn't it wasn't expected higher velocity of something like two to three hundred kilometers per second,

11:04 So because it was a small effect the world of conventional science moved on and dismissed it and became followers of the Einstein theory of empty space, and a dead universe as I like to say empty space in a dead universe. And meanwhile Wilhelm reich working in that early part of the twentieth century he is reading all these things about ether has been disproven All the mainstream people are saying that you can't doesn't exist and rick is saying this was a disaster for theoretical science. And some of his later writings and had been accepted at that point he might have called it biological ether or that the ether had biological influences,

11:49 So instead he gave it a new name called the organ energy to preserve it as organic life. Energy but if you look at the properties of these two phenomena the ether space and the orgon energy of rike for life energy, they're both very similar there both are ubiquitous phenomenon that exist in all of space they fill all space It has certain physical influences the organ energy accumulator that right developed inside the accumulator, the properties of this space inside it are altered because it's like a concentration of the ether a concentration of life energy.

12:28 So you get certain kinds of strange phenomenon happening inside such as a flight spontaneous increase in temperature which is right correctly pointed out was a violation of the second law of thermodynamics. That's electrical density and side the organ accumulators higher and this is proven by experiments with standard static electroscope, which will take longer to discharge its accumulated charge than the identical electroscope just placed a meter away from the accumulator in the same room. And then you've got the biological boosting effects. I've done all kinds of experiments with plants and seed growing and was able to show fairly systematic effect of about 37% increase

13:16 In the growth of mung bean seeds and a few other plant species when you sprout them inside of an organ accumulator as compared to identical group of being seeds kept in the same temperature environment so forth. under a cardboard box. So the cardboard didn't have any real effect upon the seeds, but the organ accumulator most certainly did and that particular experiment reflects what the medical profession some of the doctors and other healers who use the organ accumulator showing that it speeds to healing of burns, that it can in many cases disintegrate tumors of people who have cancer

13:55 that it overall boosts the immune system, that's the best way to describe it. Such that any kind of disorder that is based upon an immune system dysfunction with a few exceptions which I list in my book on organ accumulator are benefited So i've known all kinds of people since before i wrote that book and after i wrote that book who written me with thanks about a variety of things if they had going. Wrong with their health and were benefited by sitting in the accumulator to device you sit inside it doesn't plug into the wall or anything it's just, accumulate energy from the background medium space world the atmosphere

14:38 Passive device no electrical plugs no transistors or coils are anything like that just sit there and it functions by virtue of. How the life energy is attracted to all matter but certain kinds of matters such as high dielectric materials attract and hold on to that charge, and they will under those influences create electrostatic field that's how you define a dielectric material. Capacity to hold an electrical charge electrostatic charge and when you layer that with a conductor like steel or steel wool.

15:17 Which is something that tracks your energy also but it cannot hold on to it so it doesn't develop an electrostatic charge but it might develop a little bit of a magnetic property. And what you find is that when you layer those things in sheets, a layer steel will layer sheep's wool which is got a electric property do the landline content of the sheep school Can you make layers of that one after the other flat layers and then the inside of your computer has a fair magnetic sheet metal. Which is no fin gauge something like twenty six gauge just not to give it sturdiness and support and then exterior of all those layers in some kind of organic material with a sturdy mess such as a,

16:03 Mason board or something like that were insulation board which is been painted with a high dielectric chill material. We use this bullseye shellac which very natural shellac material and of course each panel has a framework like a picture frame going around to just give it physical support And then these panels are organized like the six sides of a box, one of the larger panels you put on hinges so it's a door and then have a window in that door she look out get some air. When you sit anything i mean that's all there is to it there's no magic to it but its just based on properties of this layered materials

16:46 Yeah great breakdown i think that is one of the weirdest aspects of the accumulator is it should just don't plug it in its really just building a box with alternating layers of metal and nonmetal organic material, add that's enough to concentrate this energy just from the air just from the environment. And you mentioned this working really well on burns and I have this quote in my notes, i believe from a German doctor. I won't even try to pronounce his name but he said failure to use the organ accumulator in the case of severe burns constitutes medical malpractice which is a pretty bold statement but that's true if the medical community is ignoring something that works you gotta call a spade a spade

17:33 I just wanted to add that in, but all of this context for how the accumulator works and how it's made using no outside power. It does make this Oregon Energy seem very plentiful and abundant yet we still have a hard time moving the needle of acceptance How can we approach our more skeptical friends and family with this? What can we point them to so that they can entertain something like Oregon Energy or Ether Because there are a few places we can get a glimpse of it you write about the dancing dot phenomenon where your in a dark room but you can see a little bit of glow. And then of course there are some natural places in nature that are relatively untouched by humanity and sometimes this,

18:20 Energy charge builds up there too and they have an exceptionally blue look or glow to them. And these are good examples he's a good points but for such an abundant energy it seems hard to confirm where should we tell people to lock if they want to see your sense this, Well it's an energy that as rick argued under lays cognition and perception it is the medium through which we feel connection to the natural world. Show for example a good way too contrast the bio energetic feelings is firstly to realize that they were going to have different dates of activity or qualitative states to it so for example,

19:06 The energy that you would find in a forest area or dry condition in the pacific redwood forest, for example people talk about hugging trees well they feel something. I felt this to you go up near some of these big redwoods and you lean against my gosh you feel this radiant energy. That's what you feeling side the organ accumulator same thing, how some people claim healing effects from doing that i can't speak to that because most of the reports are just very subjective but the kinder reports that i'm ideal within my book by the way give full instructions on how to build these

19:43 But the reports that I'm quoting from and that I'm citing to build the argument are published articles in research journals by medical and other health professionals, and serious PhD level scientists. I'm a classically trained PhD scientist. I've taught in different departments of geography and geology and so forth. My specialty was deserts and desertification which is how Most decidedly interested in Russia's work but the discovery of the organ accumulator I mean one of rushes associates to make another quote he said that the organ accumulators are most important discovery in history of medicine bar none.

20:26 And i think he's right because you look at all the crazy things that deadly things are going on in the hospital. I mean they're chopping off women's breasts healthy breast on the basis of genetic hocus pocus based upon oh you might get cancer so let's cut him off now, I mean can you imagine if men were told that about their testicles you know all you might get. Testicle cancer so let's cut him off now i don't think you'd have a riot in this wouldn't happen but women somehow are lining up to have this kind of thing done for themselves or their daughters, it is sick absolutely sick or now god forbid you know there castrating children in the hospital on this transgender stuff

21:14 It is totally insane totally absolutely insane the medical profession has gone nuts. And it's part of the reason why i thought they went nuts when they burned burn rushes books you know a lot of the medical doctors and psychiatrists stood up and applauded when rike went to prison and his bookstore burned, And he isn't the only medical heretic to run afoul of the food and drug people in the medical licensing boards. So I always advise people stay away from a hospital, especially if you're sick. Yeah yeah i hear ya! You know what I mean? If you get hit by a car okay yeah these guys are good for repairing sewing you up or whatever there's a lot of expertise there but when it comes to degenerative illness

21:59 They haven't a clue and the reason is that they threw out the discovery of the life energy back in nineteen fifty seven when rike was it thrown in prison. The discovery of the life energy which something that was part of the historical progress of science as it developed step by step to understand biology in the areas of biology and medicine and suddenly this, Fledgehammer came down BAM which said no you cannot touch the issue of life energy it is taboo it's forbidden and was thrown out so much like to eat there how they either change physics they threw out the ether now you got empty space you gotta get universe. So a reference mystical things that nobody has ever seen like einstein spacetime curved space time has anybody seen that made a photograph of it,

22:54 No it's all totally hypothetical or black holes i mean they got one very bogus kind of thing that recently was released with a big hoopla in the press. But no black holes are everywhere every time they find a gravitational anomaly make stick a hypothetical black hole in there, The whole of science has gone off into a cul de sac in my opinion following the premature dismissal of ether and falling that that's what hammer approach to obliterating will him righteous work. Could a whole different world it's really sad to see that and it just i am kind of all struck at how would even happens in the papers are published the data is there, the results are verified it should be pretty standard science at that point i understand upsets the financial apple card some corporate interest but. I would assume i think its just seems like a huge undertaking to suppress something that has been verified

23:56 It is and of course the establishment or the Orthodox, I shouldn't say orthodox. The conventional thinkers have the media on their side They have the internet people on their side You know right now Facebook Google Twitter and so on they're organizing well, we're already Suppressing conservative speech maybe you heard that J.R. Rowling the woman who wrote all those books on Harry Potter She made some twitter comment two days ago about how she thought that the transgender men are taking over women's sports and invading women's private space and she didn't think i was a good idea, and she's been banned now she's been totally de platform just for saying something simple like that.

24:44 So i mean we're losing freedom of speech on a whole variety of things but the fact to the matter is that the client. And the medical system has been practicing censorship, are not just right can medical things but look at the co2 theory co2 theories about chemical it's like biochemical medicine. The solar theory of climate changes appears rational and real because it's verified and we've got real climate changes but they happened you know, over hundreds of years not something just recently from industrial co2. And yet how many of the media venues allow anybody who is a critic of the co2 theory to come on for interview

25:28 What they don't it's totally censored out you gotta go to the internet to get that kind of info and even there it's difficult unless you know what to look for. People go to wikipedia which is the worst misinformation website one can go to a lot of love you old style professors like me use site wikipedia and your gonna get a flunking grade. Will when i was still teaching in the university this was before internet really got going but always mention that in my seminars that anybody who relies on wikipedia is gonna be terribly ignorant what's going on in the real world,

26:05 And with respect to rike all the pages on will am i are totally filled with slander the same kind of slander and nastiness. That was appearing in the mainstream media back in nineteen forties and fifties when rike was making his work in the united states you know he fled europe to get away from the. The nazis who put him on their death list but the communist also putting mom there definitely in nineteen thirty six like the common turn was going after they wanted to arrest him, And send him off to the gulag and he had been thrown out of this international psychoanalytic association. His theory is his ideas upset everybody and whenever you find somebody who's like that whose ideas are upsetting everybody left right center whatever well you probably got a truth teller,

26:56 Probably got somebody who's really important and there on something. And that was one of the things that attracted me to write originally back in nineteen i guess it was around nineteen sixty nine seventy when i first, Red one of brushes books today it's available selected writing that's one of the interesting book set is a good starting place for people to read about right. Right on right yes i am attracted to those kind of personalities as well and you mentioned the, study and experiment that you did with seeds. You got 37% increase in seed growth with the ones that were germinated inside the accumulator There's also another study we can look at with rats I believe, that is pretty impressive Tell people about that so they can get an idea of what has been verified with these devices

27:47 Yeah, laboratory mice. Reich did a very elaborated experiment on that where he took one group of these are cancer mice that are being experimented with They call them technically the CH4 mouse. It's something where they're inbred sufficiently a number of times that they develop mammary tumors usually within the first couple weeks of life, and it's almost 100% assured that they're going to get these tumors so this is kind of mouse they use its kinda Poor mice, you know I feel for them but this is what the scientific research and medicine uses typically as an experimental animal. So if you give them some kind of influence that is more toxic than presumably it will create the tumors in greater proportion or if you give him something that is in opposition to cancer then delay their deaths where they grow from their tumors

28:46 So, Reich took these CH4 mice, these cancer mice put half of the group into a control situation where nothing was done other than feeding and caring for them in it. In the usual way giving them plenty of food and water and so forth. And the other group also got the same treatment but with an additional One hour a day they were put into small sized organ accumulators. These are organ accumulators that were sort of mouse size, you know? They're not really big one of the things with the accumulator is you don't want it too big You want to close enough to the wall The radiant effect from the walls will be close to your skin So this experiment he showed the mice had 300% extension of their lifespan with the orgon accumulator three times as long

29:41 As the control group now that experiment was replicated in more recent years by a physician richard blast band and couple of brazilian scientists can't remember their names right now but it's all been published in there citations are in my. My book and they got about two hundred percent increase in longevity, Now, contrast that to what goes on today. If somebody has a new pharmaceutical drug and they talk about a 5% increase in longevity it makes the news all over the world you know my god five percent increase whoa this is important now you know make more of those pills and no charge people $100 pill or whatever and here he got the studies with the accumulator 200%, 300% extension of life

30:31 The clinical studies on this just as a general observation the people i know who use the accumulator regularly they live in two ninety one hundred years older more. And i use an organ energy accumulator and a blanket regularly. And you know it's something where you sit inside of half an hour forty five minutes today at most, or you can use an organ blanket and you can bring that to bed with you sleep under it am i have been doing doctor i guess about fifty years have very few colds are flu anything like that sometimes i get down when i do some kind of long distance traveling in the airplane from so on

31:10 But it's a miracle kind of thing i mean i don't wanna call it isn't really a miracle it's a scientifically proven thing. That boost your immune system and whatever kinda problem you have what is the immune system back in russia stay, they didn't have the word immune system simply called at the resistance to disease But now we got autoimmune problems which is another kind of thing so they it isn't really resistance to diseases in some cases your immune system and say overactive, well we would call this from russia's point of view and over charge situation as what nother words you got too much energy.

31:52 And he developed some steps and procedures to reduce that, which go back to some of the old school kind of medical therapy such as hydrotherapy. In other words if you have a lot of energy too much energy this can lead you into hypertension but if you soak in the bath with some mineral salts or something do that once every night A lot of this overcharge hypertension anxiety reactions and so forth fade away Not not in every case but it can be helped by things like that water is something that right found absorbs the organ energy, whatever has an overcharge of energy you don't get in water and it's sort of calm down.

32:38 Similar to how if your hands are wet and you touch something that has an electrical charge or electrostatic charges sort of dissipates it right off. But yeah, there's a number of things from Reisch's work on what he called the biopathies these biopathic diseases as he termed them were bioenergetic in their basic structure so that includes a lot of a lot of the major degenerative illnesses that modern science has not been able to fathom Right right and i want to ask you a little more about that or going relationship with water because it's quite interesting and i know you're aware of doctor jerald pollack work on structured water in some of the living water science is being done out there, add i've heard talk about healing springs that native americans use them early american sellers pick this up too end.

33:30 Add a time in the past we actually had maybe even hundreds of these natural healing springs or spas built on these natural places and this is another aspect of our history that was shut down and erased right. Yes indeed i have a short chapter on that in my accumulator handbook about living water, And of course the term living water i got from shopper and shopper was a genius in terms of properties of water and construction water getting understanding how when waters world in a vortex fashion it structures changed.

34:10 And that has got some laboratory confirmation a jerald pollack with his easy water is the exclusion zone water this is a new scientific discovery and breakthrough that helps to. add substance to the idea that water isn't merely just some dead chemical. It is a chemical, to be sure but there are energetic properties that infuse into water which can change its structure, its viscosity, it's thermal reactivity and all different kinds of properties of water can be modified by some different methods. One is whirling or vortex in the water, the other is exposing it to certain high dielectric materials such as the Nafion material that Dr Pollack uses

34:59 I did a set of experiments which were published in the Water Journal that he is the editor of, where if you put water inside an orgone energy accumulator it develops spectral qualities and changes in structure that are identical in this same direction. For example, if you orgone-charge water will have strong ultraviolet absorption Strong ultraviolet absorption in the mid to far range you be between around approximately two hundred three hundred nanometers. That's it invisible ultraviolet if you look at the florescence of organ charge water is,

35:41 little bit higher longer wave frequencies you wind up with a fluorescing effect from organ charge water that somewhere around 350 to 500 nanometers 400, 500. Now that is a visible quality it's the near you v and blue frequencies this is something i rock talked about about the organ energy having this blue dark blue color as seen in different natural context i was able to prove without using standard methods of uv invisible light spectroscopy. And i wrote a rather long paper its not cited in the accumulator book because this is only recent research,

36:24 But if you go to my website, which is orgonelab.org I give citations there one can follow my work and my research from that website it also asks you if you want add your email to my newsletter So there's all kinds of interesting work done on this issue water structure. And I did a lot of research myself and show that the organic accumulator can create these kind reactions as well which is quite astonishing to because it's, by conventional skepticism it just an empty box right they thought just a box but it isn't just a box does all these interesting things are you mentioned the spa

37:13 And United States have. Dozens of hot spring natural healing spa very much like what germany and other places in europe still have. They call them these healing spas where they have mineral waters that come straight out of the ground and make a market off with so that the water flows into a pool or into at least a basin of some kind, can you sit in your rest inside these hot mineral rich waters Something goes on bioenergetically it's not just a bunch of super chemicals there some kind of an energetic property the water. That has a healing effect and this is a real thing it's not so mystical new age kinda hypothesis, there are people all over the world who were flocking to these spots and in some places they're privately owned you have to pay money to get in there but nevertheless it cheaper than hospitals

38:13 And with a lot of really kind of remarkable things i never was sick enough to test that out but i do remember once i had a strain. In my hand from lifting a very very heavy object and afterwards it hurt and every time i open close my fist hurt really bad like tried all kinds of, Limits and rub on things in it nothing ever really helped but i went into a hot mineral hot spring somewhere new to believe it was just as an overnight thing traveling. And the guy who ran this hotel you know there is lovely hot spring up there and i said why don't you advertise as well we can't advertise anymore the food and drug administration came here they said they put me in jail by said we had a healing hot spring. Any apparently this was a place that have the signs healing hot springs for years and years so i went out there and i rest in the water, and i got it walking walking out and suddenly i realize that this

39:13 painful thing in my hand was totally gone and it never returned now this is one of the things they always were advertised in the older advertisements before the food and drug administration was formed. Or given police actions i should say you could find advertisement for healing spring all over a place, And it was something that mark the landscape of american society of the united states of america and they were all over the place many of them originally used by the native americans as you say and they always shut down.

39:51 To the point where i remember there's one famous one somewhere in kentucky or don't remember exactly where. Where is the old building very beautiful building where people would stay get a room and so on while they were soaking in the baths it's like a historical monument, can you can go there and you can look at this health bar like a tourist in a rope off tour guide And you can look at the water but you're not allowed to go in it your forbidden from going and no feeling what are you gonna look at it though i made it up laughing but its. Instead we got these polished chrome steel and white sparkling white hospitals everywhere and it's obscene it is really obscene what has happened,

40:44 i could add to that maybe you've heard of harry hoxie yeah the name does sound familiar but give us a reminder. Yeah harry hoxy was somebody who had from his father inherited recipe for healing, From Native American herbs and he was an under a was not an educated man. He was I can't remember what you did but before he got involved in using this is native american herbal preparation, but it started making this available to people and found that all kinds of skin problems and even cancers were cured or i should say that the tumors disappeared when people use the recipe of these herbs

41:28 And he set up a hospital and people flocked to it, and it got known all around the United States. At some point in the 1920s there must have been about a dozen of the Hoxie clinics all around the United States, and they were using this preparation and a few other things for healing of cancer. They were all shut down by the FDA every last one of them. Right right yeah that's where it came up is we had a previous show where we went down Alternative therapies for cancer the stories that you hear and i was a big one as he act is another one of them there's no shortage of really when you start digging which is so crazy but.

42:10 You are jump over to the cloud buster because it's kinda related to water because it actually needs to be grounded in living water to work you got first hand experience with this effort to talk about the results is pretty amazing that this technology can just end a drought i've seen videos of demonstrations its as real as can be and i guess you might even made a lake in the sahara desert is that right. Will all that is true when i read russia's work The first thing i did was to build accumulators and study it and also got this right can therapy i went to the right in therapy which help me to see things more clearly let's put that way it's emotional release. Therapy method where you any kind of bottle up,

42:56 Emotion you have anger rage crying whatever you can't get out on the couch and i controlled environment with a therapist knows what they're doing so i had that therapy wow made me feel so much better i could breathe deeper see clear. My goals in life were achievable suddenly i lost all pessimism about that kind of thing, So I wound up going to back to the university. I had graduated high school and never went to the university, but i decided that i wanted do this so it was a late bloomer when i went back to the university and i wasn't interested in rye can i told my professors i want to study this because if right is correct then. It's a major major breakthrough so i found a couple of professors at the university of kansas who are interested in this

43:47 Also and they said yes let's do this and so we developed a research protocol to. Experimental it can only test the most radical ideas why go halfway with that what's take them the most outlandish thing that he claimed which is the cloud ruster, And tested out over one summer i built this cloud buster and it was tested out over a period of two years in nineteen seventy seven to nineteen seventy eight, and we tested it out for effects upon rainfall and clouds cover over the area near the university.

44:27 And won't be hold it showed an effect profound defect for boosting of clouds and increasing in rainfall within about twenty four hours of the operation. Am i wasn't just isolated to the university area was over the whole state of canvas, Show it had a very wide ranging influence that's right said it's triggering device second trigger influences. And he was arguing that isn't so much of powerful effect of the device itself it's the atmosphere has this energy continuum in it that is excitable, and ask the energy moves on the atmosphere moves its like there's just bio energetic substrate which governs weather.

45:10 And you can work out a whole science on this right. So i tested it out and by the way also studied with number of people who had years earlier started writing some new rye, and so i was in a good position to learn from the horses mouth directly to the methods and techniques got very good result And it published it as a master's thesis that got me the master science degree and wow we thought we were in on the ground floor of some breakthrough into universities on this. And put an actually another year of research making new findings documentation of this phenomenon right made all kinds of experiments and published. On his cloud busting work but he never had access to the kind of,

46:02 research instrumentation such as weather stations and right on site different kinds of electromotors and so on to test out what was going on well i did while i was at the university so i was able to do a lot of things like that. And what happened was is that the people with the national academy got wind of what i had done, am instead of saying wow this is great how can we support your work They called the dean of the university and told them if you guys wanna get one more penny of research funding from the national academy will find a way to get rid of that study. And so i was called into the office one day in all these somber professors you know some of my supporters, hold me well we can't support this work openly anymore

46:53 So i was rejected but i wound up doing another study for my phd on deserts and desertification that it was actually a breakthrough study of its own. Actually documented what was the biggest, natural real climate change that had occurred since the end of the last ice age which was not one in temperature but one in rainfall parameters, which created the big Sahara and other Asian deserts that are connected to it. What I call Sahara Asia and that study is still not widely known because its extremely controversial in itself

47:31 Yes i actually figured maybe we could touch on that just because the subtitle for. That book is the four thousand bc origins of child abuse sex repression warfare and social violence in the deserts of the old world, end it seems pretty epic and definitely right was very much about human nature ends re establishing what that's all about as opposed to be violent You know we're just primitive apes in man suits now and we still have these reptilian brains and it's all violence, and scarcity that's not necessarily the case is what your study seems to indicate.

48:10 Will it very clearly indicated that and also showed that the origins of human violence is most identifiable starting around four thousand to thirty five hundred bc within these big large desert areas. Which prior to four thousand bc were very lush wet garden environment, And you know i'm not alone in this there are a couple of other researchers who have done research on the second and griffin's reon isler maria can boot if they all talked about how, earliest human societies were peaceful egalitarian violence isn't the natural human condition.

48:51 But if you look around today, it seems to be. So what's going on there? What happened around this 4000 marker date and what I showed is that the archaeological and paleoclimatological evidence shows massive environmental changes which then affected the earliest human societies by starvation by famine which created massive migrations massive death the abandonment of the earliest city states and villages and you can see the results of this in some of the dry lands of sahara society called the garamontes switch very well developed civil civilization and today there's nothing left. Some places in arabia are like that people sobbing in society which built them,

49:41 first big huge dam for water irrigation and had a big productive trade society based on agriculture and so on, totally wiped out once the climate went from wet to dry. So my work Sahara Asia did a global study on that basis from the historical and archaeological point of view but also from the more contemporary point of view There was a part of my study which was one thousand over a thousand different cultures from around the world plotted on the world map and using the databases from the ethnographers an anthropologist.

50:22 that showed that all the characteristics of violent societies were at their peak worst condition within this existing Sahara Desert and the deserts of Middle East and Central Asia. And you can think, for example, the Mongols or the Huns or sad to say modern Islamic societies are carriers of most violent Cultural conditions and just think about how they treat their women is one example by violent in the right hand sense we're talking about the most horribly sex repressive cultures. The early peaceful societies as well as the ones that survived into relatively recent years were not sex repressive, no where they like sensual they have no pornography or wife swapping it weren't screwing

51:17 Right and left everybody it was a very orderly happy society but they had a very permissive society with respect to sexuality, they didn't have this is where it gets controversial they didn't have homosexuals there weren't any in the weather because they killed them or something like that it's just that. They allowed all the young people like romeo and juliet to have their love affairs. And this was look at the adults looked back upon those early times with much pleasure as opposed to today where early puberty is one of great anxiety and terror and fear in sadness i mean that sexual exploitation and pornography and so on you know you, it's right pointed out the society is there have been bizarre

52:05 upset kind of sexual behavior they are the sex repressible in the sense that the love affair of romeo and juliet is pretty much suppressed everywhere you have to realize it in original shakespeare romeo and juliet were about sixteen years old, do not older teens they work just at the point of puberty me why does nature put that strong strong impulse into young people. And then society's repressive and that's where the chaos comes from. Yes i was gonna say it's definitely a chaotic environment and not really the best one for, going through those stages of puberty and not that i think the sexuality stuff is nearly as interesting as the cloud busting or energy itself but i guess i would be inclined to

52:57 Push back a little bit i mean no expert but i've heard people saying that there's the scientific basis that homosexuality does go back about as far as humanity goes back in your saying that maybe not it's, what's up the case will be there are more recent collection of peaceful society. Which i was able to identify and across cultural literature Had no homosexuals that was the trojan islanders of melanesia it was the people's of eastern india. The most people of western china is a possible that maybe i just wasn't written about because it was so accepted and not a thing even worth documenting because it was just such a non issue well,

53:45 When one has to presume that anthropologist are so blinded and blinkered that they somehow miss this. Which i don't think is the case i mean if you look at the record of where they're talking about other kinds of sexual behavior there pretty good recording things in. I need we know who's a homosexuality exists in most all the modern civilizations but also does adolescent sexual repression, I'm not arguing for pedophilia here by any means pedophile are sick people. So it's a whole idea of adults having a preoccupation in the sexuality of their children to the point of meddling with it, we're wanting to participate and that this is a product of the sex repressive cultures right right it's definitely dicey conversation but its

54:33 a given that kids around sixteen are going through puberty and yet we have this abstinence only attitude and we put blinders on, and this causes all kinds of problems. I mean they're getting all backed up i mean we know we know this and it should be addressed definitely there's gotta be some way to address it i'm probably not the guy to even Well my study you know this is another book that i would recommend is my study sorry asia that's the title of the books are and asian link together so hard. Or isis book the function of your gas and he was the top clinician to do that all russia sexual revolution. What's a very soft sexual revolution it was not what we see going on today i mean today we got this gender some stuff where can you use the wrong pronoun or like rowling are you criticize the, the game mafia which is real mafia nowadays you can't say anything critical

55:35 Even of their castration agenda the surgical castration of children my god this is insane. Yeah you mentioned that earlier and i didn't really say anything but now that it's come up again, I mean there's definitely a lot of agenda driven stuff in this area that you're talking about but how often does that really happen the surgical castration of children, well when u talk about a child who boy who says i'm feeling like a girl. Well a lot of young kids save such things are girls i feel more like a boy wish i was a boy or something like that. When the push of puberty comes ninety five percent of those cases those kids suddenly become the boy and girl but their biology is determining, what's the homosexual activist groups want to suppress that by giving the pre-puberty children the hormone suppressing drugs

56:33 And that's what they do the give me hormone suppressing drugs and then a brainwash where those kids are told oh you're not your natural biological sex, and after they turn to the age of consent the hormone drugs are gonna be supplemented with a castration surgical operation. Now it's not a high number of kids right now, but these things never remain static if you go back to the 1800s in America only a small percentage of Jews were circumcising their children But it caught on with the medical profession They can make a lot of money from and they don't really give a damn about the biological naturalness of the foreskin or

57:14 genitalia today so the subset of the medical profession made a lot of money and picked out where eighty percent of all american boys. We're being circumcised around the time of the nineteen fifties and sixties yeah i think that's damn shame damn shame for sure what from zero or near zero to eighty percent within about a hundred years, So i look at this stuff that's going on now and have to ask if you are obligated to say something in defense of. Of the kids natural biological sexuality what is really offensive is that if u dare say these kinds of things too publicly that suddenly get stopped on,

57:59 You know what happened to rolling what's going on that i know not every homosexual person agrees with this stuff there is a lot of. Game and i know at least a few who are deeply offended by the transgender stop. And you know of course they're taking over women's sports. These men, biological men are stronger faster they run in the women's sports and say I'm a woman even though i look like a man with a beard and everything and they win all the medals! It is a catastrophe for women but their just not aware because most of the reports on this are censored from mainstream media

58:37 Rowling and so on that she's not the first one to be banished from the internet platforms for daring to say something politically incorrect. I'm seventy years old now i mean how do i have to be before i can dare to speak out about these things. Political correctness is killing us it is that hey i say the best policy is doctor leave those kids alone you know and i think they should add did wanna ask you about the cloud buster a little more because the conversation is connected to the ufo question not only did right thing that, they were somehow attracted to or gone or

59:15 the use of his cloud buster you can kinda confirm that from your own experience i understand and just curious what you think is going on here it's very odd that these two things would converge. Well right came to the conclusion that he was working out in arizona doing a desert greening experiment, by the way i'll come back to my own desert greening experiments momentarily but rike was observing first of all that he could He could bring rain in the arizona desert and restore a lot of the grass growth an area where was just bear. And while he was doing this work he observed your photos you observe these luminous objects were silent moving, can make photographs of them showing that the tracks that they made in the night sky we're different from stars

1:00:07 This was all before the satellites that weren't any satellites up there nowadays now days you look up you see things moving you know what it is because it could be a satellite and most of the things you see are probably satellite. But right with seeing these things he was documenting let me made a few photographs of things, And he claimed that they were on identified flying objects you read some of the early books like that of kehoe. Ripple book if you read rupal's book carl roper was an air force officer who is ordered to make a study of the ufo phenomenon for the us air force,

1:00:44 And who's called project blue book if you know anything about the ufo history and everybody knows about project blue book and then there he talks about a scientist in the arizona desert to making all these, observations and documentation and that will come right it doesn't mention right by name but seems almost certain that this was right. You was there he was making the observations who's contacting different military bases and headquarters to try and tell them about what you were saying, are you also pointed the cloud buster at these things and they tended to dim out and move away. The cloud buster device works on the organ energy principles he was arguing that the ufo must be powered by organ energy

1:01:31 Or the ether let's call it by the older name that the ether or gone with somehow what was powering these ufo. So wow this is a loaded group of questions but it also is a loaded group of opportunities and possibilities that somehow organ energy functions might be underlying gravity, might be underlined some kind of a motor force in nature And Reich also built a small little device, he called it the Orgone motor. And you got this small little motor to turn by using the orgone accumulator so that all this stuff is published we have another book called Heretics Notebook which carries several papers on this subject including one about my own personal UFO observations because I've seen when i was out doing work in the desert of

1:02:23 Arizona also overseas in israel and africa doing this work and some of the most desolate places planet. And you could see a good occasion we see these things sometimes i've seen things that have moved in non newtonian ways with writing turns or which, Disco like shapes that tumble and over and like a plate saucer being flipped things of that nature which didn't make any sense. Especially the silent nature we've seen not here in oregon for god sake so, things like that look like a big good transport airplane i mean at least the lights you think it was a transporter plane from the light but then it flies directly overhead there's no sound no sound at all

1:03:15 So what's that it's not too slow to be a satellite too big to be a satellite. What totally silent of course i'm not the only one to see these kind of things with the advent of cell phone all kinds of images are being photographed right left and you probably have seen those videos that were released by air force, Up some chases by high performance jets trying to catch up to the strings. So you know there's a opportunity for the researchers who have an interest in to learn about what right did and, the whole thing that i found with ether is that what im arguing for my book on the dynamic ether of cosmic space is that the ether is material it moves matter because of base

1:04:02 basic frictional interaction and that it vortexes, it moves in a vortex spiral by its own very nature. And in so doing it grabs onto matter and therefore you've got the gravitational vortex, gravitational properties which come directly from the ethers' properties and its motions. So for example gravity here on earth is due to to vortex motion of the ether coming down from space down to the earth surface and carrying matter with it. That's that's the theory so i outlined the evidence as best as I could in that book, and I think there is a number of scientists who have come through very similar kind of conclusions based upon their own independent work. Indeed yeah fascinating subject definitely needs more study

1:05:01 Man this is been really fun you've done so much great work both of these books are great front to back breakdowns of these energies and their functions in the history of keeping them out a mainstream science, other any new experiments or areas where can i be focusing your talents or attentions to next. Well as you know i as a mention investigating this order motor question that right did. Another breakthrough scientist in my opinion is the work of town some brown maybe you heard him, the guy with the graphic tours i'm doing a little bit of an investigation of that

1:05:40 And also on the water structuring question. So those three areas take up what free time I have at the laboratory here, and i think are at the cutting edge really of modern scientific research. Absolutely! Although you wouldn't know it by reading the mainstream journals. Right well hey if you crack that flying saucer case we'll have to do this again? I'll come visit you and we can do it in person I love it i love it well man i really appreciate the time and your efforts before we go do remind the people about your website the books are any appearances or demonstrations you might have coming up that they could attend yeah the websites my research website is org on lab dot org, who are going to be lab led.org in the name of my laboratory is the organ biophysical research lab

1:06:33 We might have seminars maybe a webinar which would outreach to a lot more people or at least something along those lines there's a web link on the org lab website events that people can consult but better that they get on our. email list where we send out these notifications from time to time we have a book selling an instrument selling website which is how i pay the bills and that's natural energy works dot net. Natural energy works dot net am gosh i think the two books of mine,

1:07:11 I would most recommend now and which are the two most popular ones is the organ accumulator handbook. And the dynamic ether of cosmic space those two books i think cover tremendous territory on this new energy research that i believe it's going to change the world for the better, Yes they are a great one to punch of ether and organ and thanks for sending them out and for the time today i'm honored to have spent a little bit of time picking your brain and i wish you the best man thanks again keep doing what you do. Well thank you very much for having me greg and will look forward to seeing this on the pod. For sure cheers you too bye bye

1:07:58 And once again, boom goes the dynamite. James DeMaio doing what a James DeMaio does best! I have been trying to get this interview for a long time now because there seems to only be a few good options for public speakers when it comes to Reich's work especially ones who have tested these things out experimentally firsthand If you want to hear more on the UFO side of Reich's work, which is definitely fascinating check out an older show I did with Peter Robbins because it makes a nice complement to this one. And honestly in both cases the conversation does drift into sexuality particularly the sex repressed culture that we live in and how it affects children. It kind of makes sense because if this energy is connected to sexuality you would expect there to be some kind of peak

1:08:53 or increase in it during the years of puberty and maybe our sex repressed culture nerfs that energy. And I could see an angle where it's very important to manage and cultivate that energy during those years of puberty because maybe that has effects for the rest your life, we're talking about how organs seems to be tied to health maybe its tied to immune system somehow The body and these energy systems is very holistic everything's not so compartmentalized. So if this is an energy stream that comes through humans, it is tied to sexuality maybe it's worth a mention It is thorny stuff but organ is called organ because Reich thought it was somehow connected to the orgasm

1:09:44 And one has to admit the orgasm is a weird thing. It's a pretty unparalleled feeling and I don't think we have a sufficient explanation, maybe it is a mechanism that lets a little more of that energy from the unseen side of reality in and maybe that entangles with our physical bodies? That's where we get that jolt But you know, sex is often considered a mechanism for altered states or higher levels of consciousness with tantra and all that. So I don't find this shocking or unusual that interviews about right get to these places, but number one it's not the most interesting part of the work to me. And number two we've had a lot of guests segue into thorny topics lately largely without being asked which i don't care guests are free to speak their mind on this show

1:10:39 But the issue is, the audience cannot hold me or the show accountable for things I didn't ask about and didn't plan to talk about. That's the only thing that bothers me! Don't write any letters about this stuff! I felt like i was on the ropes for a lot of 2019... And im over it! None of that in 2020! Honestly we've been around too long to still be explaining this But I had been trying to get this interview with James for a long time because the Orgon Accumulator Handbook is just so great. It's honestly the blueprints, and his experiments with cloudbusters are also pretty damn credible! And oh yeah he has also written a new book on Etherphysics! I mean come on people this is some of the most exciting stuff right now. I do think that the world is changing and this stuff will have to come out and I want to be ahead of the game

1:11:34 I want us to all understand that yes this is real and if we can get past the wondering, and if you were to get the handbook you could build your own devices. No electrical components required right? While everybody else is stuck in denial or still trying to wrap their heads around these things, I want us to understand so thats what's important to me The rest of these shows can talk about impeachment and Russia gate and QAnon I'm trying to work on a different level of course today james wanted to spend some time talking about transgender men dominating sports and children who are being manipulated into gender transformations through hormones or surgeries or whatever, and JK Rowling's twitter censorship fine i don't really see those as major issues that affect a ton of people. I mean this other stuff affects everybody but there's probably something in it

1:12:35 that is definitely agenda driven, it's just not a priority to me. Definitely not as high on the list as natural terraforming rods that attract UFOs and blueprints to healing boxes but James did say afterwards that he appreciated the freedom to speak openly and if I am gonna run a show where guests are pretty much allowed go off topic into these sorts of things you're not going be able to hang on every word or even every guest If your love for THC is gonna be that fragile, you might as well stop listening now because you're going to be rattled sooner than later. It's just the nature of this game! This is a show for people with more sense than that if you know what I mean you'll take it as a compliment but I did like the majority of the show today

1:13:28 I kind of wanted to get more into the cosmic ether material, but it's James' experiments that are the most unique material he has and so i wanted to give that as much time as it needed. In The Plus Show we did focus more on The Cloudbuster and it definitely blows my mind! The man made it rain three times in three different geographical areas and he made lakes in the goddamn Sahara!! That's nuts!!! But between James DeMaio and Trevor James Constable, who also did this I'm pretty damn convinced. A couple other things we talked about in the plus show would be the deadly organ energy the sort of inverse energy that is radioactive that comes into play We also talked about the garden seed charger planter box! If this stuff helps seeds germinate why aren't we making planter boxes out of it and getting better yields on our crops?

1:14:24 We also talked about organ accumulators in our highly charged electrostatic environment these days, the wifi signals the phone signals. This is stuff reich didn't really consider when working with organ and then we talk about the orgon motor james's light bulb study and which ones are the healthiest eclipses energy and connections there and a couple of things in the realm of cosmic ether So I'm psyched to get this one out. Please let James know you appreciate his contribution to the secret sciences if you do! You know, i think one of the big problems in this area is that there's so many different terms The mainstream says there's nothing there...so when half a dozen people discover it they all give this energy a different name Is it Orgon? Is it Ether? Are those the same thing? I'm still not 100%

1:15:20 But these applications are exciting to me. It's my faith in these modalities that makes me more open to even something like Tartaria, because a lot of these ether-based or overunity or electrogravitic devices... A lot of them are low fi or analog! I mean an organ accumulator again doesn't even need to be plugged in so when there's a theory out there that a civilization used steeples or architecture to well up this energy Well, I think that's totally possible. Also you might have noticed that i didn't ask him anything about organite and that's because James has said over and over again he doesn't think organite is a thing He doesn't like these pendants and these organite paperweights people make and place around their home...he doens't think they'd do anything So I figured I could just wait till now then tell ya'

1:16:16 But I would say of all the cool shit that listeners have made or sent to me over the years, Organite is the number one thing. You'll see a pendant that i wear-that's Organite! I have this little thing on my microphone you can see in the joint sessions-That's Organite! Little pyramids all over the office...I appreciate these gifts, I don't know if they do anything but they remind me of Reichswerk anyway and so I'm into it And that does remind me if you have your own thing going on if you are a craftsman of some kind or use our product door your, an artisan of some particular discipline or craft and u want to see plus will hit me up maybe we can barter maybe we can cut out that money middle man in just do it trade for trade like all kinds of interesting stuff and i definitely appreciate artists and.

1:17:10 people who make things by hand. I find it impressive, especially in 2020 just throwing that out there and also speaking of the joint session i guess this month we'll do it on the 20th It's a Monday! And man...I was pretty tired and still kind of sick on the last one. I guess it worked out that it was kinda short and a lot of lurkers didn't really want to call in and talk to me over 100 people listening but only a couple wanted to talk so Let's do this thing, don't be nervous now. We're all friends here! But we'll see... And with that I'm getting out of here. Hope we all learned some stuff today Big thanks to James for his time and work. I've done my part Your move Ether deniers Fake physics suppliers And the whole damn scientific cabal of liars Your fucking move They built a little outer Some crazy garbage

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1:19:39 Some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited Working class overcome their shining Now we're calling your highness and the world screams Save me THC, save me THC