Iain Davis | The Technocratic Dark State, AI Everything, & The Neo-nerd Nexus

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00:43 Well, here we go again higher side chatters from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and although many among us see this state of the world as chaotic overwhelming disorganized and unpredictable if you filter all the noise to an understanding that a transnational technocratic elite are building the digital infrastructure to track and trace all good services and people within a permission-based economy as a service model You can actually see a lot of narrative coherence and clarity around most of the big moves on the global chessboard. The Strait of Hormuz crisis and the domestic data center blitz create the energy crisis problem for the Energy Credit Solution, big lawsuits on social media companies create the conditions for them to implement a digital ID rule or age verification policy, the Genius & Clarity Act set up a stable coin infrastructure outside the jurisdiction of traditional regulatory agencies

01:35 Compromising Iran seems like the lofty best of bad options when it comes to disrupting allied nations that can provide a sizable functioning alternative to their global control grid, which their model just cannot allow. The list goes on and when you see the interdisciplinary cross-sector synergy directing the world in this direction at whatever pace they can get away with, you find yourself feeling like this really is the only game in town. Well as the technocrats tinker away with traditional structures and 15 minute smart cities, today's guest Ian Davis is out there calling them out. He's an independent investigative journalist author and blogger from the UK he's a frequent contributor of our pal Whitney webs unlimited hangout active on substack in his most recent book The Technocratic Dark State Trump AI & Digital Dictatorship is available now through paper cut publishing

02:27 He's been on the list a long time and I'm psyched to have him here now. The transnational capitalist critic, digital dictatorship documenter and neo nerd narc Ian Davis welcome to the higher side. Wow what an introduction Greg thank you very much that was brilliant I try i try and it is a real pleasure to have you here i've been reading your articles for a long time ever since just started picking apart the UN 17 sustainable development goals really covering basically all aspects of life aims to be completed by 2030. I guess that's a good place to start but Do you see the seventeen goals all working towards this same digital control grid conclusion or do you think twenty thirty is even a realistic timeline to have it in place i think things are not going quite according to plan but i think that they're definitely heading in that direction i mean what would say if u look at the

03:23 Affect what happened with regards to the war in iran if you look at for example. The partnership with international energy agency and i put out there proposed Plan for the recovery order if you even go back to cove it and think about what the effect of lockdowns were in terms of, you know. Essentially hobbling a small to medium sized enterprises are moving everything over to my just sent as a capital And if you think about the effect of the Iran war and if you think about. The noted plans for recovery post the energy shock that have been caused by the unexpected war also were told, and if you then look at the aims and objectives are sustainable development they are pretty much the same thing it's all coming together I would say what happened really is realignment some of propaganda narratives I think their climate

04:23 alarm narrative is evidently collapsing i think people are getting cold feet on that much as they did you have to say with the what i call the pseudo pandemic the covid scam you know they got cold feet on that as well it didn't really pan out I think things were supposed to be in place such as if we think about the objective of vaccine passports which i think was more or less to introduce us to the idea of, digital ID linked to our health records and our financial records and You know that didn't quite people didn't buy into that so enthusiastically as i think they thought they might and I think it with all these things the end goal is to say the end go you outlined quite well there. Yeah the end goal is to introduce us into a digital control grid, that's the objective but there are different names of different sales pictures that they deploy at various times together.

05:24 Yes they engineer different problems to get different reactions but their solution is this is the thing and i've had some guests debating recently was covered a test run of the stuff or was that them shooting there shot. It's kinda arbitrary it's interesting to try to, process how absolute their control is, but in the end there's always going to be another move in this direction. We used to talk about the Amero a decade and a half ago and obviously it's not called the Amaro but functionally the stable coin thing will probably be very similar so yeah they shoot their shot and they get as far as they can and then it cools off for five years while we all regroup and

06:10 Analyze how far they got in a crunch the numbers and i look at the pockets of resistance and made look at how they're gonna do better next time sadly. And you make a good point about killing off the medium and small businesses during COVID. I don't think that really gets highlighted enough people instead talk about our virus is real, and it's like well what actually did happen is Walmart in target were open all the other small businesses were closed and a lot of those people are still out of business and the money funneled right up and if they do another couple things like that there's not any small to medium businesses left

06:47 But I'm with you, i think it is the end goal and they're still moving that direction. And the more stabs they take at it they're never gonna give it up there just gonna retool refine the model and come out again also agree about the idea that the climate narrative is sort of collapsing but they're gonna hit us with this energy scarcity model which is kind of adjacent but it doesn't rely on the climate change part but you can almost put yourself in the boardroom right if you are in there trying to be like how we gonna get this done you can almost see their thinking and see all the policies that roll out in that context right.

07:24 Yeah i think you know with regard to what they're talking about in terms of the energy crisis that is. There's no happening and the potential of rationing energy and the potential to, you know my is essentially what technocrats need all about it's about controlling our access to resources right down to be individual level That's been in the mind of that kind of tank. You know, the best part of a century now so I mean it by hook or by crook that they want to get there. The interesting thing is if you take for example the climate change narrative clearly pitch that i suppose you might say more traditional left leaning kind of audience if

08:04 If you look at the energy security narrative is pitched at the mall right leaning kind of small c conservative audience so it's just different narratives to essentially achieve the same thing which is introduction of a digital control group. I mean that when we're looking up, all things happen you know they are happening at the moment for example but roll out of the center The data centers that are required their massive energy use now interestingly the IMF when i spoke about a new plan stress the importance of maintaining the technological kind of search forward from an economic perspective and they said you know therefore it's really important that we don't back down on investment in things like data center. So, i want to go ahead with the date because obviously if your gonna have a digital infrastructure

08:56 a global interoperable system of surveillance which is what they're trying to build that's gonna require a massive amount of data centers which uses a lot of energy which uses a lot water which is a lot resources so in a way, I mean are you in the book very much that we got a new gaggle of oligarchs have come along with a new battery deep improved idea about how they can win slave at all. I'm in order to get them united if you can i would drop their approach which it seems when you look at places like god there is what happened. You know if you're gonna adopt their ideas of accelerating rapidly through kind of cataclysmic change so that you can force people to comply,

09:38 That means abandoning somewhat the arguments about climate change because obviously data centers are just totally antithetical to the notion of CO2 causes global warming. So there needs to be some sort of balance put in place and that appears to be what's happening Yeah, and I think it's a strategical blunder though because they were banging that drum for so long. And now you see these videos going up where people are like, Hey, that river has never been dry before its dry now and people are seeing all the resource sucking and a lot of people like will for what? I mean we liked the internet. It's great but if everything just froze right now and never advanced, I mean we have everything we need at the

10:22 the lightning speed is there, like there really is no problem with the internet that needs to be solved. So when people are seeing what these data centers require I don't think it's ever- It's being justified and they are probably still traumatized even though there has been a pivot in the messaging I think people are still traumatized by years and year of climate alarmism that These two things... They're not simpatico No! It's not funny because you know what they're doing is horrendous really. Certainly, if you live in a town that relies on a precarious water source and then some multinational corporation just comes along and decides they are going to take everything. That's not funny at all but standing back and looking at it

11:17 you know, from a narrative perspective and narrative management perspective it is quite funny because they constantly tie themselves up in these illogical knots. Because the whole thing is predicated upon lies and deception you know the truth that you don't get confused and you don't...the truth doesn't self-contradictory lies are so this is this is the problem they often encounter and they're going through a period of that at the moment but I mean I think you raise a good point people look at these we got the internet you and i use it perfectly well the whole world practically not the whole world but 60% of the world 70% of the world is now connected.

12:00 Nearly every everywhere in the world is connected to a phone you know so it's pretty big just the world over where we can all use it and we can only get from reasonable good and you know u and i can discuss things you can share information with your listeners than viewers. No what's wrong with that we can transmit large data files all over the world reach other what more do we want I'm not a good question i'm so when people looking at the data centers. Ask yourself that question what more do you wanna do with the internet but they're not doing it the moment, what are not doing at the moment because we haven't achieved yet is tie us to a token digital identity

12:44 And then you know i every single database in the world especially those that are related to surveillance. Turn off the light and pay and benefit from that, do your money add a transaction that you might buy is a new level of data gathering that is better gathering on another level so in order to do that Then you need to buy a second and that's why they're building them. Yes that is true and i did want to get into the financial stuff pretty early here because u right about that in the book and elsewhere, that if you are in the crypto world at all a lot of people are clamoring for some kind of legislative clarity regulatory framework it's just been the conversation for years now there actually cheering on

13:38 The genius act in the clarity act and the genius act is a law now the clarity act is gonna be voted on in the senate this summer, what is that dirty trick there thats really being played with house table coins are being implemented and defined that people maybe aren't as aware of well in the genius act. The important point i believe to get from the genius act is that stable coins are said to be not a national currency so as not being a national currency they are not subject. The same oversight and i would pay if there were a national currency for start a very kind of fundamental level

14:24 The United States Constitution reserves the power to quote two coin money as in the creation of a national currency for the people. The people have control of that theoretically through Congress, so Congress you know in theory represents the people and therefore the issuance of the US dollar is something that is constitutionally controlled by the American people should they wish to exercise that control. Now that's a problem if you want to roll out of global system essential bank digital currency because outside the us. Central banks are genuinely independent this is why the federal reserve is not called the federal central bank school the federal reserve, because i'm white constitute it off in 13 separate federal reserve banks because he isn't

15:21 The same kind of model of central bank that you might say with the European Central Bank for example it's a very different base because it's got this. Constitutional oversight and regulatory oversight of congress which central banks outside of the US don't have that it's in the european central banks constitution It will not take any ad it blatantly said that it will not take any advice from any government it is the independent of all european government now when. You know when you think that central bank supposedly set monetary policy that means that monetary policy which controls pretty much how much the economy functions,

16:09 is not set by governments outside of the US. Increasingly, it isn't really set by governments in the US either because congressional oversight of the Fed is pretty... well there's not some...it's not a power that they've ever actually exercised very much but theoretically they could. Well this is a problem then if you want to create an interoperable system at central bank Broadly of is probably better if we say programmable digital programmable currencies. So stable coin or sometimes you hear people talk about deposit tokens and central bank did your currencies are all slightly different flavors of the same idea that idea is a programmable digital currency but this is a current see which enables through the use of smart contracts for example,

17:02 Someone on the ledger to program a transaction to set conditions on a transaction now ordinarily. we don't, nobody has those conditions set on them beyond you know your customer regulatory checks and so forth. But pretty much if you've got a for example of credit card which is linked to your bank account you can buy there's no other additional conditions placed on the transaction if you want to buy something in a store as long as you've got the funds and it cleared you can make the transaction that is pretty standard thats how we all function with money

17:41 money in our society no matter where you live what they're trying to create a very very different kind of international monetary and financial system, what i want to create is the system which in real time which is again goes back to why we need these data centers monitors the transaction. Check the transaction for any conditions that might need to be applied to that transaction. Which if it's linked to your digital ID could be conditions that relate specifically to you and then in real time make a decision about whether or not that transaction can proceed so this is a way and unbelievably

18:25 a press system in terms of controlling our behavior could we can no longer buy what we want where we want when we won from whom we want them we have very little control over all. Yes and to elaborate on those possible conditions of course the big one everyone talks about is you say some stuff they don't like online they shut off your bank account will they have already done that does some people are ready, I believe that that will come, that ability will be baked into it but they're not gonna do that until everyone is thoroughly on boarded because there would clearly be a reaction to that. They'll like wait what was wrong with what we had where i had a little more control? But other conditions that they probably can justify major one is going to be the CO2 stuff even though the climate change narrative is winding down

19:17 They've got the CO2 stuff implemented across uber across amazon across all the places where you buy flights. Right now it just shows you and i had multiple websites when i was making a purchase of that mode multiple sites say do you want to pay a little bit more to offset your co2 is like no i don't know why anyone would But that's because right now there is no incentive baked in they've got the infrastructure there to show it to you why do you think they did that today do that for no reason at all. Obviously theirs coordination amongst all these big tech companies and,

19:56 the next condition probably or the first one implemented with the programmable money will be yes you have enough money for it but then you also have this other meter of how much energy you've used and if you've already taken two flights this year well, this third flight you might not be able to take because even though you have the cash this other meter also has to be full too and it's going to be like another just lever. And you can bitch about it but They've already condition people to be like when you're having this barbecue conversation of i wanted to take that other trip i couldn't take it was past my allotment, people be like yeah sucks but no this is the world we got a do our part were on it together. You can already see the way that other people in your life

20:44 Won't necessarily be on board with it you know what your with your bitching about it. So i don't know i already see it happening but talk to us about other conditions you might see that clearly is the big one that probably will come first but are there others that maybe i haven't thought of, turn implications are pretty limitless so you can you know you can geofence where you spend money so that's a way can't spend it i mean i recently written quite a few parts about fifteen minutes city called. I know that can back and geofence you within a fifteen minute radius of your home for example but something like. So you talk about carbon credit i the carbon credit notion we're already seeing on packaging so ready sing the carbon footprint cost of the sandwich or the carbon footprint costs off whatever it is,

21:39 The idea very clearly is to do exactly what you just said and that also you know that i think with the necessity for energy rationing. Turn places like mexico at the moment they're moving over to a system where u cannot buy fuel from a local gas station, would catch your only be able to do that with a card right so you can only get with a card of the moment now the cards are programmable At the moment the transactions are programmable but the world that they're moving us towards your card. I know right spend it will be programmable even if it's true quote unquote a fiat currency, you know yet back that was still be conditions will still be able to set to be sent on transactions. To a certain extent with programmable digital currency that would be absolute

22:34 You can already see that people would accept that you know your given a narrative of an energy crisis the global energy prices. Why should my next door neighbor feel his enormous gas guzzling vehicle when i've got only driving around in small little thing that saves on energy and save some fuel why should they be able to do that i should be limited, people will make those arguments there already making arguments so Because people perhaps don't appreciate and miss my fear what you know why i'm still buying on about this stuff is that people. Don't seem to be they may rarely seem to be able to kind of in visit where everything might leave, you want to hear the argument value somebody will say well what have you got to fear if you dont do anything wrong

23:27 You know when there's no problem if you know there is no need to fear did your currency for example. You got my intention of exceeding your carbon footprint if you're a conscientious person who tries to. Play with in your car and put print limit what's the problem what's the big deal if not feel that kind of person that want to watch well burn then you know then obviously should be railed in somehow These arguments are put forward all the time but what people don't think is. Yeah, but who sets the rules and what other rules going to be one of the rules got work gonna be in a future house small with your carbon footprint become limit for example how much meat you can buy we've already seen moves to stop people buying me the idea of will he have to buy this is another point with programmable currency it doesn't just limit what you cannot by

24:25 It can also be set to induce you to buy what they want you to buy. So for example, the relative expense of meat compared to the relative cheapness of GMO crop products to encourage you to buy more GMO crop product then the argument will come through well for farmers there's not much point in farming me anymore so economically viable so we might as well all just farm GMO crops because that's where anybody is buying Social engineering is very common and it happens all the time. I mean you can go back to someone like Edward Bernays or someone like that to see how that works, So i think people need to see things within the context of the reality of the kind of socio-political climate we live in We are socially engineered! We are!

25:22 Grasp that before they kind of adopt things because someone somewhere said it was a good idea. I think we've got to think about that ourselves Well said and i'm sure people are sick of me working this in every interview i do but the time is now to find a local rancher. Who will take cash and actually knows your name and you guys can be like hey, i see what's coming we're gonna keep this relationship going right i see your don't tread on me flag out there like that's a good sign i bring you the cash you gonna bring me the mirror just gonna do those things off the books

25:59 Those relationships can be formed but they're not gonna be formed in a time of panic it's good to. use this opportunity to form those relationships now you can do it for anything that's important to you and then your worried about your access to and the beautiful thing is almost across the board especially with food products, you're also getting a much better product for your health than what you can get at grocery store. You're not tempted to go down the aisles of all the processed ultra process cookies and crackers and all that stuff cuz they aren't there at the ranchers place

26:36 So i mean i don't know if there's better advice i have for people than to form local relationships with food producers right now who will be the last ones on board of this system. Because it starts with like the biggest swaths of people you can get what's implemented amazon because everybody shops and implement at walmart in target in your local grocery store chain that has the big monopoly, because people have no choice but these little farms on the outskirts a town twenty miles down the back road. That's where you gotta go and it's actually kinda fun it feels a little gorilla to do it in you know that they appreciate your money, no they appreciate you the name know your name is actually across the board and always accept convenience it's actually much better.

27:25 No, I couldn't agree more. Yeah, we often talk about decentralization It's something that is quite a common libertarian talking point that we talk about decentralization But what does that mean and how do you actually apply it? One thing for certain unless people do actually apply it there's no chance of achieving on a larger scale so if we are going to kind of Decentralize where we get products and services from if we're gonna do that one slight caveat I would put into what you just said. I live in the UK, most people in the UK...I am fortunate that I live in a fairly rural area so I've got access to those kind of things

28:04 or I've got easy access to a rural area but a lot of people live in cities, a lot of people live in places where they don't have access to those kind of things. So how do they do things like divest themselves with their reliance on energy infrastructure and stuff like that? Well it is possible! It is possible... People have done it. I've got a friend of mine who lives in a normal terraced house in a town in the UK and he has converted it to completely off-grid So it can be done. It takes time, money and dedication to do this kind of stuff but it can be done and we need to get on with it but more importantly than us individually perhaps getting on with it as you quite rightly said alluded to there We need to start working together with other like-minded people I very much am at the view now that I'm a stage now where

29:03 More and more focusing on really what matters to me and you know my family in. I'm in trust and preparing for what seems fairly obvious to me is not that far down the track so i am keen to, how are we speaking to somebody the other day and i perhaps unlucky as many of us all but we can develop nations perhaps have luxury To live more inconvenient lives a lot of people around the world already live far more inconvenient lives and will be seduced by. Potentially more convenient which is why they're rolling out this infrastructure in places like africa or south america because it comes with advantages, many respects to the people that live there but for those of us living developed nations

30:01 Where we do have the opportunity to move away from my infrastructure we should be getting on with doing it because. You know if we carry on going down the path of dying damn we will end up subject digital control and slave man that's gonna happen. Yeah and a lot of it you feel like you can opt out of you can decide to stop buying consumer goods that are all connected it drives me nuts how so many people in my life just wanna have every little thing in their house and life connected. And i don't really see much of a value to it and ivm f concerns but you know those are totally lost on most people. But the one thing that's happening now that does kinda concern me is the text then you know there's all these moving parts but, no this notion that i mean i dont know if i can trust it thats why stumble over my words because you see these videos you dont know what's real anymore but these video not people finding these boxes have ticks out in the woods and

31:03 You know a lot of them there saying this is the lone star tick that alpha gale thing is spreading. At the same time that theirs billionaire investments in the franken meat so you got these billionaires investing and fake me, and then surprise surprise there's these text that make you allergic to animal products and no question it spreading the only thing that's really in question is are these stories about the boxes of ticks in the woods real It's estimated that half a million Americans already have this issue. And i also just saw the story of a peer reviewed paper that's getting scrutinized where western michigan professors claim that crisper edited text should be used to spread alpha gal syndrome as a moral bio enhancement to force humans away from eating meat so they're kind of already saying that they're doing it because their putting right out there well

32:03 It would be kind of our moral duty to do it but it's like wow just really wild stuff the engineering at that degree concerns me because i don't wanna be afraid to go outside, i dont want to give into fear and all really but. No when you're talking about gmo mosquitoes in gmo ticks thats a lot less controllable than did i buy a smartwatch Yeah no quite i'm so a nano particles and things like that amf radiation in five g and all that kind of thing that's a lot less. What was controllable for us yeah i mean as with regards to the tech story,

32:41 I don't know. I tend to think at the moment is, you know can i still eat meat? You know am i okay and I know that you know I don't mean that in a selfish sense. I mean that as a barometer for what testing what's real and what not! So if I stick my head out the window and I was told that the world is on fire and we're all gonna die because of extreme heat it's very hot here at the moment in the UK... Is that true?! Or is if I stick my head out the window, loads of kids running about people eating ice creams everybody out in the sunshine having a lovely time. Is that what i see? Yeah so this idea that you know the world's coming to an end because it's sunny...I don't buy that narrative and I don't buy the narrative necessarily that people will be exposed to dangerous tick bites that are going to turn them against eating meat maybe

33:41 i will be interested to look at the studies i am aware of the guy that's out there about genetically engineering text to do this and i'm also where that. Bill gates release seventy five million genetically modified mosquitos back in many many many moons ago and they already got genetically modified mosquito supposedly capable of delivering vaccines sorry jack So, you know all this stuff is true I mean one of the things that really One bit of research that I looked at though. I really thought while we've got no job is I don't know whether you've heard of these teams called moats Right MOT yes moat No, this is new right so boats are very early in this so I thought well, I've got to check this out moats are semi less sized machines

34:40 Right so they are constructing a protein molecules but they are mechanical. So you can make them into little machines, like little cranes and little tractors. You know I'm being facetious but genuinely they are machines that work within cells to do whatever you want them to do now i thought that cannot be true but I've done a fair bit of looking into it and moats are real. So most moats exist and obviously you could just spray them as a mist, we could all breathe them in you know so can we defend ourselves against that kind of stuff? No

35:28 You know, can we defend ourselves against 5G? Well you can if you construct some sort of permanent Faraday cage that you live in and wear a tinfoil suit all day. But realistically no but then if we look at the idea of controlling what we can control There is so much that we could do within our spare a control and i fear of influence. So much we could be retired what they are wanting the path but they want to go down the way not most of us are not doing worrying about, how was like technology that is gonna control our brains it's a bit pointless if you're not even willing to stop using store cards

36:20 Right, so stop using store cards first. Focus on using cash focus on supporting small to medium-sized businesses in your local area. Focus on getting off grid focus on doing on building relationships with people around you that are of a like mind focus on developing new monetary system and new ways of living focus on all that and then after you've done that worry about robots space beams Good advice, good advice. And I always say, I don't want to spend the last good years just in a stress day and fear state about something that hasn't happened yet because when it actually happens then you're like well i wasted my good years, worry about this is here now i couldn't control anyway all i could have controlled was how much enjoyment i got out of the free control grid life. And i wasted that time sitting around reading about it worrying about so yeah there's some to be said about that too i want to read from the book because another part of the financial situation as the tokenized asset plan

37:23 And you write and this is lofty this is lofty the amount of debt the nation states owe to oligarchs in the current system is absurd however. If your able to tokenize everything on earth and call it all financial assets then bingo suddenly your reported asset can be a far larger sum than your liabilities, Instantly your debt problem evaporates the destabilizing asymmetry vanishes your beloved monetary control scam is saved in the whole preposterous monetary fraud is good to go for another couple of centuries. In the case that trump sovereign wealth fund,

37:59 The way the US government's fiscal sustainability will appear as if by magic is by selling off bits of America to oligarchs who will then turn around and tokenize the ecosystem services they've just purchased. Though we may have been given the impression that the Sovereign Wealth Fund policy initiative was Trump's idea, it's actually another neo-nerd workaround that gives them exactly what they want—tokenized natural capital and a continuation of usury." Wow man this is well said and does seem to be the plan but it is one of those aspects that I just, man you gonna get that across. The goal line that's a tough one but has this plan advanced much since the writing of the book do we have any data or statistics on the number of natural assets there are now tokenized compared to a few years ago?

38:51 Yeah is increasing not necessarily so much in the US it's certainly increasing elsewhere so is increase a lot of south america and central america at the moment, hey are selling off chunks of the rainforest as tokenized asset it's increasing quite alot in europe and asia as well. I think that the, you know the...I haven't checked how far he's progressed with his eyes. A lot of things have taken precedent haven't they? But i mean how far is...how far in the Trump administration has progressed with selling off say for example Yellowstone Park? I don't know there was a there was uh a lot of kickback when the natural asset companies were first launched at the on Wall Street

39:33 I think it was about five or six years ago now. And there was some kind of congressional kickback against it, and I think a bill was introduced to stop the US selling off public land I mean if you look at things like i know that gates is the city project he started hasn't panned out yet. I mean he's got problems with land rights and so forth, it's not and i think that something we can all take heart from these things are not straightforward because as we looking for example the rollout of data centers when local populations get winded up

40:09 I'm posing me things that means it's not a fight a complaint about something else i was stressing the book this is not a fighter complete this is what they want to do the mean that's what we're gonna get weed apple let them get it. What would regard to the broader picture of are they moving down this kind of global type can i economy where they are looking to create potentially four five quadrillion dollar tokenized macroeconomy, Then yeah they're moving forward with that they put in all the infrastructure place i mean if you look at the kind of etf funds so spread to people like black rock it's very much moving towards that kinda tokenized. How can i everything kinda world i mean nothing didn't think actually say is it think that said we can talk about everything and then my opinion i can remember now,

40:58 That's essentially what i want because you know the argument that i laid out in a book although obviously always been quite kind of cutting and my criticism of it, how can i eat quiet a bit but they can do this. And what it essentially means, I mean something that you perhaps didn't explain there is this notion of ecosystem services which is what gives natural assets value because and then that is kind of reliant upon the climate change narrative as well because you've got things like natural water sources. So how does water created? Water's created when air rises over mountains condenses and falls but broadly our fresh water was created unless it comes up through the ground

41:40 So what does that mean? Well, what that means is a mountain range is no longer just a mountain range. It's now a water production facility or a water production service so that it an ecosystem service that can be monetized and once its monetized it can be tokenized and once it's tokenized it can be traded Economic kind of underlying tokenized economic model that i want to introduce. I'm there are certainly steps along the way if you said me at the moment if you look at south america brazil particularly heading along my car,

42:18 Yeah it is wild i hear all these terms you know blank as a service and really is getting down to like life as a service like u pay monthly to be allowed to live. As do all plants and animals in the entire ecosystem itself, it's a permission based life as a service so another aspect of the financial that i want to get into this Concept of machine to machine payment so i used a bitch about the changing of the credit cards to the chip. Because you go and all these places in it's like is this a chip is as a tap is an insert, record reader on the side doesn't work your china three different ways to get it ago do the answer that takes no almost up sometimes thirty seconds to go. I'm like this is not as good as what we had just a simple swipe

43:08 What of course now you know why they did it because it can tap on the phone and it's just like, the flow of your capital can go out much faster well the next stage in that is the machine to machine payments another thing that is lofty to me but. That these assistance that people are already engaging with and feel so blessed to have what those start taking up on themselves to spend your money in a much more seamless way And here's a quote from the book you say if we are shifted to electric vehicles and i managed mdm can instantly deduct rental charges energy costs can be deducted whether we own or lease rent an evie.

43:49 So, too can the road tax and tolls and maintenance and repair contracts and more be automatically extracted from our digital wallets using AIM2M. Meanwhile the smart home with its smart TV's, smart fridges, smart stoves, smart security, smart lighting, smart thermostats, smart water meters, and smart electric meters can precisely manage our home energy usage remotely As with the EV, smart home appliances can be internet of things linked to enable M2M machine-to-machine payments automatically without us lifting a finger but it comes at a massive cost to our freedom.

44:28 I see that i see that coming but it is something people should start to be aware of the idea that even in these cities where they have way most. It seems like you can call the thing from your phone but if u had it all linked to your bank which we do already but i guess this just another step of the a i deciding how much this ride gonna cost or how much energy it took so your energy gauges gonna lower all the stuff but for people listening to maybe think this isn't that big a deal is just convenience why is it you know this next step such a crucial thing to worry about such a big red flag.

45:07 It's a two way process for start if you think about how smart meters work. Short smart meters link to the internet of things that were talking about because i don't roll out the internet of things, smart meters work to monitor and transmit data from the devices that are connected to it such as your fridge or washing machine or whatever What's my me is can also transmit data back to your fridge or washing machine whatever now at the moment people make decisions like you know they might only operate their watching machine when. It's an off peak period because energy prices are lower so that's a choice we can make we decide i will not gonna run the washing machine until later because the energy of each other, that's fine that's a choice we can make but that's the point if u have the choice to make that decision

45:58 In the smart grid car world that they're rolling out the choice will not be yours the choice will be made for you depending upon factors beyond your control but for example. Where is a we have decided to there is a need to ration energy yet so u won't be able to use your washing machine on four days of the week say can i use your washing machine on monday and tuesday or wednesday You can't use any other day now people might think again going back to what we're talking about that's ok you know when will need to ration our energy. When do you think the incremental creeper bat not it comes into every single aspect of your life every choice that you make this now has a third party, decision maker introduced into it so pretty soon you don't have any autonomy left

46:54 Pretty soon you are left with being subject to some arbitrary decision that you have no influence over whatsoever in pretty much everything that he do if your i miss the big if, if u r connected and reliant upon this system feel connected to it and rely on a product will be controlled by if not and you don't use it then you're not. That is the big opportunity we've got now. I mean, I certainly do it there are things i pay for on direct debit There are things that I pay for automatically you know that I need to have to pay for so rather than me every month paying for those things that I need to pay for I choose to do it automatically but yeah thats my choice

47:48 In the system that create it won't be a choice in the system that create it will be a prerequisite of using whatever is let's take the washing machine for example, which is will be programmed when you can use that washing machine and when you can't use that was your machine. I'm not will be a program term of using it do you have it knowing back that you can't use on certain dates for example I'm people as you quite like the fact just desire become a customer paying for something automatically, paypal the world i will become accustomed to using things on certain days are doing things on certain days because that's the choice that they got. Behavioral psychology this is called create in your choice environment that is what is going on on math at the moment but all the propaganda about one thing i would really stress the paper and

48:45 Why do they spend so much time, money and effort trying to convince us to do stuff? Why do we need to be incessantly propagandized? Why do we need to be convinced of the next narrative? Why does that matter? It matters because WE still have the choice. We STILL have the choice and we STILL have the control! They want to remove it but they're not there yet I'm the only way they'll get there if we go along with it we don't know what is nothing i can do about it nothing and when i say that i mean oligarchs, i mean what are we called a parasite class so multinational billionaire ruling clock.

49:30 So i was gonna ask you this to about the neo nerds that techno crats, no a lot of people see this new group names like peter teal and ilan you know these are names that maybe ten years ago no one really thought much about sam altman. Now they're like the names that are constantly being talked about do you see these new tech oligarchs as an actual new emerging force or do you consider them just like a, i.t department of the same old power network I do not subscribe to the view that there is one controlling entity on earth. You know, i don't think it's the jews, i don't think it's the jesuits, so they think it's you know one group... It's not just the Bilderbergers, it's not just the council of foreigners, you know? It's not just the crown! I think there's a network and network of people that broadly agree on the trajectory where they want policy to go globally

50:27 I agree on what i want and i think people fall out of fiber with that come into that network there are power struggles within that network. Some people in the ascendancy some people are less influential so if we go back to the turn of the twentieth century then you know that was the roads millner group in a round table group and all these people make really the transatlantic kind of alliance The anglo-american establishment carol quickly wrote about that i had tremendous global influence primarily because. Often you know at the time that was it kind of waning now love the british empire which is the biggest and by the world ever say so those people still have a lot of influence but i think he's passed by,

51:15 By the start of the second world war, I would argue that the American capitalists transnational capitalist with a dominant force. So the Rockefellers and the Carnegie's these people they became dominant so you see this power dynamic shift now there are some people talk about the black mobility black nobility some people talk about like the Orsini's and the Macemos and the Black Pope and all that kind of stuff which are these ancient and they are ancient dynastic families that have amassed wealth over hundreds of generations so they are very powerful certainly and very wealthy i would argue much more wealthy than people like elon musk. So there is a power

52:04 What car tell what an international add it to that i would also say you got the criminal elements do you got the multinational kind of criminal enterprises you got there. No i'm not gonna buy are just as much a part of this power structure is other groups so i think we people like you know why could be silicon valley all about the people i call me out now, that made their billions through essentially three technology I argue that i have come to the fall it's in so post nineteen ninety two this point twenty first century, come to the four because of their technological corporations like parents here and open a iron so forth and the revolution. Not only that they come with an idea not idea is something that i call you know that speak about dark enlightenment and acceleration.

53:00 So they come with an idea or a concept and said, look guys. I mean let's you know for example Peter Thiel and Alex Carp sit on the steering committee of the Bilderberg group so that they've been invited into the fold because they're powerful, their wealthy there are back class but also because you know they got new ideas about how to do things Where is your name in the book i very much what kind of schwa be and where can a stakeholder capitalists who, their idea was that this idea of just public private partnership where the private sector essentially dominate the public sector.

53:43 The oligarch type group, the Silicon Valley, the neo nerds. They're looking to construct the agentic state where there is no government, where the private sector rules completely which obviously is what oligarchs have always wanted but it's just a matter of how you get there and how you sell that to a public that believes they vote for people who make decisions on their behalf How do you sell that to them? So long comes a company like palantir and it is not able to buy our stepping up to say hi guys you know we can run things like a city. Better than the government i would add that the united nations is fully on board with this as well united nations is you know you see things like the global covenant of mad, they are quite keen on me idea that global governance could be rolled out through city state

54:41 When you got a company like parent or not just am i'm using them as an example but when you got people that are presenting ideas and new model of global governance. I'm other people that wanna achieve global government look at that thing will hang on a minute these guys might be something here so this is this is something that we could get on board with my all getting on board with it, you know what michael bloomberg was doing during covid where he had the global parliament of mayors Making decisions about how to implement covid policy in cities across the world not national government. May in city so michael bloomberg big on pushing that he was pushing out and what i'm happy with a man learning by being given you know specialist expert technocrats of things like epidemiology that were telling them what policies they have to implement

55:41 This is centralized control but for a different mechanism so these guys the parented guys and what they are going in that the neonate. The silicon valley oligarchs come along and said yeah let's use that but max out on it do it far and hard gaga being a very sad example yes well said all set So we have talked about this before previous interviews but you do right about elon musk's grandfather josh. How many who served as the research director and leader of the regina branch of technocracy inc he was arrested by the royal canadian mounted police in nineteen forty cuz the group was deemed an illegal organization under, the defense of canada regulations

56:35 It is just bizarre how so much of this old plan from this guy none of us ever heard of, is being implemented a hundred years later and his grandson is a big part of it. i mean people say folding in greenland venezuela and cuba is part of the whole thing when you look at the tech nate map that they were highlighting back in the day a hundred years ago as to what they would want. It seems like it's happening that's really odd yeah it is not. I think this is an interesting point because some point if your gonna sell the idea but,

57:15 governments are rubbish, which is where we're at the moment. They're trying to suggest that government is hopelessly inept hence you know personally I'm moving towards this idea and something that I'm exploring at the moment personally I think Trump has been put up regardless of what American conservative voters think of Trump and MAGA voters obviously MAGA voters think he's great But regardless of what they think about him, I think it's fair to say that outside of the US he is perceived as an idiot. You know? He is widely perceived as an idiot. Yeah...I don't know anyone and you know, I mean I just mean this me perfectly in the people that I know

58:04 You know, you can go anywhere in the UK pretty much. Unless the person is of a particularly kind of strong nationalist position if they're just middle-of-the road normal people they look at Trump and think my God because I think he's making the decisions right? So when we look at what happened in Iran The way that Operation Epic Fury was launched for no reason No immediately discernible reason no logical reason other than you just support the ambitions of the Israeli state. Other than that there's not there is no discernable reason why that was started from an international perspective

58:54 That just makes America look like a rogue state, a rogue nation. The most powerful government on earth suddenly looks like it's out of control. Nearly everything that the Trump administration has done since it came into office has contributed to that image. Now I'm not saying withdrawing from Kyoto...I'm not saying these are bad things actually but withdrawing from Kyoto Almost withdrawing from that you know just saying that my dad is not putting straight the white shirt wait. Very intensely isolationist stop broadcast to the world from us administration,

59:37 Just so happens to fit in with the notion of dividing the world up into a multi-polar system, a new system of global governance. It just happened to fit in perfectly with that now What I'm suggesting is that, A. Personally you know...I'm sorry what some viewers might think but i don't think Trump is even remotely in charge He's just a spokesperson he's like he's a TV personality I think people here definitely agree with that for the most part Oh well that's good You know? I mean he's a TV personality That has been put out to sell

1:00:21 a certain set of policies that actually make him look like a bit of an idiot, right? So he's obviously very... can be manipulated I think if you appeal to. He's narcissistic so if you appeal to him I'm sure he can be manipulated in that way mate! I mean I don't know the guy oh you know I don't know what his personality at all It seems like that if you step back and look at how we conduct himself. What we do know that definitely seems the way to get him to do anything and it does seem like he desperately wanted to get back in office and made a deal with the devil the devil being me,

1:01:02 techno nerds and he's like i'll give you whatever you want if you just put me in the seat now we can do that. And ever since it's been like project stargate all these data centers it's like everything they want, and is a little weird cuz the first term wasn't exactly like that or didn't seem exactly like that but it just seems like full steam ahead were going for it but going back to Elon musk's grandfather something i didn't know with this little story i've heard before is that actually replacing money with energy credits was part of their plan back in nineteen forty and that's pretty crazy and also. When i brought up the ideas is this a new tech elite,

1:01:47 Or are they part of the same old network i mean this would imply their part of a larger network we just didn't know about. Elon musk's grandfather but clearly his ideas were popular but apparently another than i learned from your book, the new school for social research in new york back and nineteen nineteen was one of the kind of the hotbeds for these ideas to be percolating and i think that head of technocracy inc Started there but that school was funded by john d rockefeller so now we have the traditional network of the predator class funding the incubator for a lot of what we have. No yeah i mean and thats why i mean about a network can i think it's important to see how global power operates through a kind of generational network because, yes the rockafellas be kind of inaugural kinda roll out of technocracy in so

1:02:47 Take no cruising link led by howard scott road the crest of a wave, is it ironically during the progressive area in the united states in the sort of nineteen twenties at nine ten to nineteen twenty. People were concerned particularly the middle class for concern very much about the same things that we are concerned about today or where i was supposed to be concerned about today So i want to kick the back about wasting wasting resources are worried about that, i'm striving for more efficiency and along come this group technology based upon the ideas of a kind of social engineering article frederick winfrey. It was very much about maximizing the efficiency system you find me set the system must be bad

1:03:41 So taking this idea of Taylorism and the economic ideas, an economist called Thorsten Wiedemann who came up with a notion of this thing called conspicuous consumption which again finds parallels with Thiel's concept. We won't go off on that but he has got this kind of weird religious idea that is based upon the ideas of this philosopher which are very similar to Wiedemann's economic ideas so they're backed by what were then What was the name of american establishment chiefly led by people like the rockefeller to them went on to set up a united nations. So this group had tremendous power and influence technology was fired but what i realized it couldn't work because the technology wasn't there and she quite rightly said one of that one of their,

1:04:31 Key ideas was this thing called energy certificates. So they wanted to reimagine the monetary system, or they called it the price system This is another thing there weren't all bad ideas so they recognized that the monetary system at the time was a debt-based monetary system and therefore debt was endemic to it and you never get out of that cycle! They suggested that money should be based on energy use because that's a measure of productive work done I think fundamentally a bad idea that's not about idea at all what they meant said was if you produce the single energy certificates of weed for one hundred years we might come back and get things like carbon credit systems. Do you produce these things called energy certificate because energy is the thing that you need to do anything,

1:05:23 You then allocate that to individuals and give them an allotted number of energy certificates. So think UBI, think universal basic income using a programmable digital currency because that is exactly the system that the technocrats were outlining back in the 1920s and early 1930s which is what Elon musk's grandfather joshua holderman was very keen to promote and there is no doubt that i mean, must close closest to the whole domain side of the family than he wants to the muck so it. I think you resolved those issues with his father now but he wasn't strange from his father and moved over to canada. Yeah very weird background is like i wanna get right in off the top my head i wont but his

1:06:18 Father married or had a child with his adopted daughter so not blood but definitely someone that he was raising as a child. And then how to add a kid with that kid i mean this is what they do you know there are freaks and weirdos, but even elon's mom so there it is like his maternal grandfather is this guy many got his mom has moms a weirdo look at all the Photos of her and she's always doing one of the illuminati signs and people say she is a talented witch and i don't know, i know you don't go deep into the cold waters but i think something going on there it just seems very strange but.

1:07:00 Yeah the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree and surprise surprise another elite family has some weird what do you style. Love system setup it's very odd yeah i mean how many children is my favorite fourteen in that forty eight he got the epstein philosophy just put them out there, also muskets call his children not all of them But you know that him and the mothers of some of his children have given their children very very strange names. I like sigil xr493 and all this kind of stuff right now ironically people that were very big in technocracy did the same thing via depot they gave themselves weird names like 1x9413 whatever so

1:07:55 you know there's another little thing there that's notable with regard to some of the weird and wacky beliefs that these people obviously subscribe to or this class of people, or some of them obviously subscribe to. You know personally I don't really care what they believe i mean if they wish to worship Saturn then go for it if that's what you want to do worship Saturn if you want I don't care what they do or who they worship, in that sense. Not too keen on them sacrificing children

1:08:31 and you know abusing children that seems to be a bit wrong but I would say that was wrong whether they were doing it in the worship of Saturn or whether they were doing it just because they were sick in their head. It doesn't matter really why they're doing it, just stop doing it now with regards to their belief systems and what they think can and whether or not that serves as some sort of unifying faith that they adhere to. I question that because i kind of think when you look at how Machiavellian they are in certainly some of the things, so if you look at the way that Palantir has conducted itself with Israel and Ukraine using war as a test bed just using war to try stuff out

1:09:21 I am extremely mackie valium it's hard to say that there is any kind of belief system underpinning not you know other than just pure exploitative, let see what we can do and get what we want so i find it difficult to believe they got any kind of underpinning belief system by may have but its relevant to me because what matters for me. Is the people are not subject To the kind of control systems that they wanna subject everybody to it's interesting speculation and i don't know no much about it. Or is this something not ever kind of delved into very deeply for those reasons yes and, i appreciate that you're nuts and bolts guy like what are they doing on paper and how does it affect us in a practical way we need people like that and i agree that i dont really care if they worship saturn either if

1:10:21 It's just a superstition. Now, if they get some kind of power from it or they have more abstract tools to further their goals that are excluded from the rest of us that I'm interested in if they're working with a occult esoteric toolkit that we were never taught about and that explains some of the bizarre stuff they do that I want to know about but yeah you could Worship the go i don't care kiss the anus of the goat doesn't bother me at all but if you're getting something from it then i want to know but that's becomes a thing is were not read in on it. So is it a superstition or do they do these bizarre things because there is a potency, do these actions and the energy that they generate and that they maybe can facilitate type of enchantment on the rest of us

1:11:13 I mean mk ultra goes deep the more you get in mkl to the more it sounds like what wizards wanted to do, can the seventeen hundred's your replays why just said that i'm not saying there is nothing to be a cult. What are what did they call me just means hidden from my right so i think there are lots of things that you could describe as a car. Such as i think their head and head energy Technology i believe yes you know me no i think that the idea of the tesla's. I don't buy for a second but cash flow with guy more or less invented the entire kind of energy system that we adopted in the twenty century, suddenly went mad and have no ideas that were worth talking about agree i dont accept that the guy seem to be a genius

1:12:02 So he was obviously talking about something and when then you look at, you know You look all the patent stuff and the things that how we would pull out now He was tired that so there was definitely I think Something to what Tesla was talking about in terms of the free energy. That might be available in the vacuum I don't know. I'm not scientist. I am suggesting if that is true That is exactly the kind of thing that we would call a cult When you know Going about the wizard thing, right? Please wait. There was a guy in the UK you might heard of him He was pretty famous Jimmy Savile, right? Yeah Oh, yeah, he made Jeffrey Epstein look kind of peaceable. Yeah So it was like Epstein mixed with mr. Rogers. Yeah, he was he was truly evil now He used to go on telly in the UK and he had this three-word things that he's to say I

1:13:02 like jangle, jangle, jangle was one of the things he used to say. Abracadabra, abracadabra, all these kind of little weird little kind of things occultist signatures that he used to openly say on the telly now when He was exposed and eventually which is post-mortem I'll add even though interestingly John Lydon from The Sex Pistol He gave an interview in the 1970s, late 1970's where he said everybody knew about Jimmy Savile. And I think people did know what he was doing but people just turn a blind eye to it. Why you would turn a blind eye that i don't know but i mean people say different times but i mean i just don't get it myself but anyway when he was exposed after his death

1:13:55 There was a strong strain of argument that he was deeply involved in the occult. There's no doubt that he was very, very close to the royal family specifically Prince Charles who is very close to him. Charles actually called him his confidant and openly called him his best friend right now this guy is a serial pedophile pederast murdering using necrophilia and all sorts of sick stuff. Now, people said he was a wizard an occult wizard now he may well have been high up in the occult and he may well have had all that kind of adulation given to him by groups of people that believe that kind of thing but I just felt that in saying that you're giving this guy power and then you talk about how power flows how energy flows you know psychological energy

1:14:53 You are giving them psychological energy if you talk about him being a wizard what he was with a child pimp for the elite and the rapist so that's what it was. If you start saying that he might well have been seen as a wizard, But by saying that you're giving energy to his story and the story doesn't deserve any energy. Yes i see your perspective i do agree especially someone who's attracted to conspiratorial thinking there is always this tendency to be like it isn't,

1:15:34 All encompassing all powerful super elite you know basically god like powers at the top of the pyramid they get every single thing they want done and we have no resistance whatsoever it goes back to babylon. No singular narratives do we get attracted to them because there is an understand less complicated without think is hard but, I am left with on the flip side just be like if they have a language and tool kit that were kept in the dark about and the magic works best on the unaware, that is a thing i mean i'd like to know more about it but either way we're not read. I'm sorry but think about how disempowering my is for us that now is that bad big propaganda narrative of you or here's another flip here's one more flat so

1:16:23 If you do start studying the occult and you do realize that they're using all sorts of techniques at there is real power in and manifestation and meditation and going inward into yourself. Playing with the hypnagogic state and manifesting your dreams through visualization all this sort of stuff then it's not a powerless position because you just, Open up the toolkit to yourself they don't have a monopoly on consciousness were all conscious that i'm not play on the mechanisms of the subconscious and how do. We get two manifest your true will to use like flowery wizard language i think you could say if there is a power their,

1:17:09 Yes you elevate them by making them seem like gandalf or i guess on would be a better example but you know our boulder more. You know there all these powerful wizards but if there are techniques that are just as ubiquitous is oxygen, then the only thing we have been missing out on is that we are powerful to and we could use this same techniques to some degree And that's how i think you know it flips back on itself as oh no you know i can do what they do to a degree not the ufc sacrifice kids but you could just. Engage in a schedule making practice just meditate just simply going inward yourself the data is and meditation is very good for your stress regulation and stresses the number one killer so just on a fundamental practical level sure, but how many people have

1:17:59 we heard about through the ages that say, actually there's a lot of power in. Reflecting on your goals and going into this meditative deep trance state and then you wake up the next day. And oh, you did get that call about the job interview? You know we haven't been told about these unseen unadvertised mechanisms that they might implement but we also could too perhaps you know hypothetically Yeah no I agree i know i agree i mean i think there are a lot of things about us that we don't know about you I mean i think there's a lot of power in kind of meditation and stuff like that you know it is useful beneficial. It's fun to hear you talk about these things cuz i so rarely here are your go into these waters but take the come back to something that, is more in your wheelhouse i saw an interview recently where it was maybe maybe a debate its fair to call the debate but conversation over the idea of the multi polar world

1:18:56 And it's not really worth arguing is it good or bad because its like any one thing, how its used and who running that determines if it's good or bad. We don't get to choose anyway but talk with about your thoughts on the multipolar world and why they're moving us this direction in really more Why it's not as appealing as a lot of people are making it seem. A lot of people seem to be welcoming this, which is always the red flag when you're welcoming the trajectory that the global elite seems to be moving us towards. Yeah well global government isn't something that has actually been achieved yet... Not quite

1:19:36 You've got nice and global government systems the united nations in your area can go back to the league of nations so far so the idea been on the table for a long time. The united nations it doesn't have the authority yet, issue laws to my station state everything is done by agreement everything is done by resolution which nation states agree Set up to that international law which i can't even good example of a bad with regard to international law is israel is ralph defied. I'm any international resolutions and roll for rolling it's unbelievable how many resolutions that i just ignored,

1:20:25 Now you can argue whether or not that's a good or bad thing but the fact is the international law applied like that very rarely to actually come through any kind of venture on any country, what any individual so occasionally we see war crime trial where i usually some walker in all the health care account. That's about as far as it goes there and there isn't really this kind of body control which is what global governance is all about Now since people would bring me a global government before they invented the united nations what the oligarchs believe was there in order for that to happen you would need what i call regional balance of power system.

1:21:08 nation states would have to be subservient to their regional blocs and then what you would do was administer the bureaucracy of the regional blocs so you would cascade policy and legislation and law from a centralized point down to the regional blocks, and then the regional blocs would oversee the conduct Member states i will already see that with the european union. That's how the european union works i mean you're opinion finally enough it can't replace a change at the moment because, you know the polish for example of just refused to ratify their digital services act that's good

1:21:50 Is good yep so that's what individual nation states can do something you use response to that is the start talking about what they call regional representative voting i remember what they called basically the weight of your vote is proportional to your population. France and germany will dominate because they got the biggest populations, so that's what they're talking about overcome the problem with nation upper tea nation state not going along with it not going along with the plan Now when you think about the European Union, the European Union was created by the Bilderberg Group. They decided that there would be a more or less I mean you can talk go back to the Second World War but post-Second World War period the Bilderberg Group decided that there would be a European union, a European economic community that was created by treaty they wrote the paper in 1955 and then they made that happen...that happened

1:22:45 So these are not elected officials, these are people that are in a globalist think tank that decide they're going to create a continental union and then create one. kind of system lent itself well to multipolarity which is what the Rockefellers were particularly interested in and the Rothschilds are particularly interested in, in the post-in the pre second world war period. Subsequently in the 1990's it's what groups like The Club of Rome released their plan for a tent what they call a ten kingdom model you've got groups that were set up like The Trilateral Commission that are based on the same idea this regional balance of power system and they're trying to set it up

1:23:26 in order to establish real global governance this notion of having a centralized global body that controls the earth. That's the objective of it and they always thought that multi polarity will be the way to do that, i'm always so when you see now a lot of people arguing for multipolarity What they are essentially arguing for is global governance. That's what they're arguing for now that has been again we come to this narrative thing so how are you going to get people to go along with this crazy idea that some centralized body should rule the earth? How are you gonna get people to buy into that well, you start saying things like The Old Order

1:24:17 the unipolar world order, the international rules-based order led by at the moment what it appears to be the kind of US Zionist kind of power block transatlantic zionist power block that is doing crazy stuff like committing genocide and starting wars for no reason I mean it's long done that kind of thing but you say what this car go on this car go on the way we better if we have a regional balance of power system. I need some respects that probably true it probably would be better in some respect,

1:24:56 But they're selling us a narrative and why are they selling us the narrative because they're actually asking us, The people of the planet to accept that global governance is a good idea. And it's a terrible idea! It's an insane idea So all that does is allow the people that want to rule us, people like Steven Rothkopf, we call the super class but I prefer to call the parasite class. It allows them the opportunity to do what they've always wanted to do which is control everything and everyone so why would go along with that? And yet some people are. Yes it's true and as much like were talking about the financial system or

1:25:44 structure of power in the world you can't get something new without selling it on. The flaws with the traditional system people are used to well the currency is dead based so that means we should do what we wanna know or no america and, israel really fucking things up so maybe we should change that order you have to point out the problem today institute your solution but On the subject of war i just read before we started this this morning that we struck iran which i didn't. Expect cuz yesterday i heard that the negotiations were working out in the stock market was supposed to boom today and it said we, something else boomed you know i guess we had a missile strike on them and then i heard that there are people confused on if it happened because it seems as if

1:26:33 hypothetically some version of trump going to the tech guys and say hey we're gonna strike iran, we want you to out algorithmically suppress that story. And for a little while as i was preparing for this there was conflicting information where people like i think i saw story but now it's gone did we strike iran what happened that's the world we live in our unit is something as simple as what they bomb dropped what's up with the country struck and he just don't know but That's another element here. I wanted to ask you about war because we talked about the tokenization of assets being a good way to hide the debt because now have these new assets, it is more than the debt well another way to handle that is war and restructuring that on the other side of a lot of dead bodies It seems clearly they are trying to do that I don't hear much about Ukraine Russia situation anymore cuz its US Iran but

1:27:31 But what are your thoughts on... The idea that they're gonna keep poking until we do have a devastating war that escalates more and more on this road to twenty thirty. You know that is one of the great selling points made by people that have already bought your politics and then called the multi-party research because one of their key arguments it would mean less wall, i'm not maybe right about that and i've written recently bring a piece from limited hangout where i did which was published today actually Where i'm talking about the problems with the war narrative and iran and the problem that we got with your crane wall now it's not when you cry more. Something is quite remarkable but you know given that the state of the media that the media, what we have is the russian and ukrainian russians and ukrainians are still killing each other in large numbers, no ukraine is a firing missile into mainland russia

1:28:32 I'm an iranians russians are striking places like here so that war is ongoing yet without wall not stopped. The scale of it probably passed its most horrendous pay. But it's still ongoing. They're still fighting now there are very strange things about the Ukraine war, you know You've got the situation where for example? You know, you've got the issue with Russia paying gas transit fees to Ukraine all the way through it Now I know that was private business and that was convey contractually obliged do that or a map Russian corporations were gas problem in this in this instance but nonetheless their funding their enemy

1:29:14 Similarly you know forty percent of. Ukrainian diesel that i used to fuel their armored vehicles such a tank, for i think three or four years without what's coming from russian luke oil refineries in bulgaria so russian companies were supplying ukraine the diesel but it needed to fight the war Now that's weird war, you cannot call that total war. That is something else now if we look at the narrative around what's happening at the moment in Iran and I agree with you it is virtually...and I've just spent the last month looking at this in quite a bit of detail It is almost impossible to nail down anything that is factual

1:30:08 because one minute you're told one thing and that is the nature of media that we have now. You know as Casey said, when everything we tell you is false will have finally won or whatever he says. Now there are some things that we can establish currently if this is true I'll put a caveat on this If it's true some countries have got hypersonic missiles and some countries haven't Now Iran is one of the countries that supposedly has got hypersonic missiles. John Mirshamah, the professor, quite well-known political scientist and professor pointed out that if Iran has got these missile which it seems they have there is no way that the US could project fleet power in anywhere near Iran

1:31:07 Because America apparently the only defense it would have a things like that had missiles systems link to something like the golden dome. The golden dame doesn't exist not single satellite golden dome satellite been launched yet despite giving space x two billion dollar contract and launch them haven't been launched yet it doesn't make me It doesn't have the birth to death tracking systems that it would need to defend its carrier groups against hypersonic missiles. It cannot defend itself against hypersonic missiles if what we are told about military technology is true and there is reason to believe that some of it is true India for example have just fired hypersonic missiles at targets accurately so they exist

1:31:57 I think it's fair to say they exist and i think its fairly reasonable to say that the iranians have got fatter too hypersonic missiles. So how on earth, the american fleet is hanging around in the gulf of oman supposedly sometimes blocking sometimes not blocking but occasionally blocking the straight of hornoos Is not does not appear to be military feasible it doesn't appear to be military possible. I could do that without their first while or suppose enemies, some degree of agreement the house if what we are told about military technology is true and i put a nice copy on my because you know

1:32:50 It's very difficult to know what is true when it comes to that kind of thing. But by all reports, it shouldn't be possible for them to project power. I mean another thing that Mir Shamir pointed out there was always talk in the press about the Trump administration having a troop surge and we've heard where we had that before places like Iraq you know but having a troop search they're gonna somehow enforce US dominance in Iran Rough estimate for us true if they have a search they might be able to deploy fifty thousand ground troops in that theater. Iran's got nearly a million and they're pretty well trained and more or less all stations within iran which is going incredibly hostile environment and terrain for any army to try and try and take this narrative is nonsensical it is nonsense

1:33:52 So why? It's not the fact that you can expect combatant nations like the United States and Israel to make war propaganda claims, right. You can expect that. That's what nations do when they're embroiled in conflicts but what is less explicable in my view is why other countries such as for example China or Russia or some of the other BRICS nation, South Africa maybe. Why they're not pointing out that this is a nonsensical narrative? It doesn't make any sense! It's not even plausible so I do think that we have to be so careful about these you know as you were saying earlier have they broken the ceasefire agreement has a missile been fired at it one minute it has next minute it hasn't

1:34:52 This all keeps markets guessing, all the markets are guessing and that's only heading in one direction. That is destabilizing supply chains around the world, destabilizing global markets it is making commodity prices shoot about all over the place oil prices go through the roof and who does that affect globally? Does it affect multi-billionaires? Yeah, it sure does because they're short selling and making a fortune out of it. Who else does it affect all of us? Our cost of living goes stratospheric and we have to rein everything in and that suits an agenda and that agenda is controlling us through access to our resources which is technocracy. Yes great points and I've heard more people

1:35:41 Raising the warning flag about the fact that if everything's tokenized in our commodities are token eyes. The people who make the decisions like it becomes way easier once you have the data to be like is this trending up or down do we go short or long, and you just remove all guesswork if you have the capital to make the investments you just removed the guest work entirely and its just like a complete raping of the economic system is a completely game casino for just the people at the top i mean we should have done some about nancy pelosi everybody knows that she has better investment lock then like the best hedge fund managers. And the country but yet no he said hey are you inside trading or everyone it's an open secret really everyone knows but nobody did anything about it so now this is gonna go and they're gonna feel even more so but on the straight

1:36:38 Yes i would get really frustrated on the day to day not knowing what's going on but when I really listen to people talk about the size of these ships and everything it's not really about this trade being open or close like it doesn't turn on a dime like this because these ships are so huge some of them take a full mile to even stop. and they definitely aren't built to turn around. These ships are built for open ocean, carrying as much as possible and when you get down to the strait if there's a blockage... You know? You can open it today and there will be these barges will still be backed up for six months like it isn't a quick process so I also heard estimates that the worst shortages or the most supply chain disruption we had during COVID at its very worst

1:37:30 It's about four or five x what that was now we're already even if the straight were open today and they were to get it all straightened out right now. The supply shock that we will experience on the tail end will be a five x worse than the worst of coven i know you know lot of people could say i didn't have a problem during covid maybe there was a day i couldn't get toilet paper cuz everybody was freaking out but, You know these things don't necessarily apply to you and i but there's a lot of people in the second third world and obscure areas where they are reliant on that. large going through that barge offloading and getting on the truck and coming out to their obscure area of that truck doesn't come they can boil water they can heat their homes, it can cause a lot of death but. Yeah you know i think when people worry about is it all is open as a closed its like well if u really look at the mechanics of how these ships work we have a problem thousands of these ships that take a mile to stop better backed up in this little area and isn't gonna be a quick thing

1:38:33 No one of the things i had was there any super tankers you know these. Million time so if they're at full power out in the open ocean which then not a full power when are we somewhere like that but when i get out when i'm in the open ocean, It's seven miles in full reverse to slow down. There you go, exactly! Yeah it's worse than I even said but yeah there we go so But i mean one an interesting thing on the 13th of April Trump said that the strait was open and so did the Iranian foreign minister I can't remember his name forgive me he said as far as we're concerned is that the straights are open The insurance companies

1:39:21 Remove water and cover from i think it was twenty five thirty tankers that were on the way out. I'm a old head turn around to go back so what would be insurance company didn't have any to stop, stop the activity an interest in me enough with the insurance companies that first shut straight down not military interesting when trump announced operation epic fury I think there had been a couple of strikes on the 28th February so that kinetic conflict had started in reality but nonetheless, the strait was open. But insurance companies withdrew wartime cover on the super tankers and on the tankers and all the company so they couldn't afford or couldn't take the risk of leaving. So actually, the straights were shut down by the insurance companies

1:40:16 I'm interested in life on the thirteenth of april when this moment happened weather straight was temporarily open shipping start to fly and then return back home insurance company house absurd, set the situation has changed things could have been different. You know shipping could have started flying again but shipping has been curtailed or the transport of commodities has been curtailed not due to militaries but due to something far more powerful than militaries. That's the global insurance market so you know, The House of Sud were pretty much aware of that at the time

1:40:59 So, you know I think there's a lot of things that we need to look at. Why would that be beneficial? You know the JP Morgan, I think it was JP Morgan put out a paper where they were talking about this long tail You know crisis that is gonna be prompted cost of living prices for everybody is gonna be prompted. The imf said the same thing even if the strike open tomorrow take years to regain what's been lost by right so this is what they're saying this is what they're saying now ironically at the moment our,

1:41:38 Fuel prices would probably be unaffordable for most people at the moment because obviously 20% cut would mean a 20% increase when you take all the tax into account, and you take commodity market value into account and how that is being managed. Most of us probably wouldn't get to fuel our vehicles Because if the prices rise and demand remains the same, we'd be in big trouble. Now the biggest oil importer in the world is China. China has not maintained its demand. China has drastically reduced it's demand. You could say well that's obvious why they would do that because there are problems getting fuel out but it could maintain its demand and not use its reserves

1:42:30 But it hasn't. It's reduced its demand, so that has stabilized prices otherwise prices would have gone through the roof now maybe what's the argument for that? That China is you know concerned about the global situation obviously it would be but maybe that makes sense but it also again speaks to this managed situation this managed crisis It's wild me we are so interdependent i didn't know a lot of the stuff you're saying about ukraine and russia and you would think that contracts to be like yeah we had a contract but what quarter in assuming breaking this contract bombs dropping. But it is weird we are so interdependent especially in the us always am like,

1:43:14 Talking to people who are so worried about china like everything on your fucking body is made in china everything in your house is made in china. They're not our enemy they might be an adversary they might be there's something going on either but if you're so worried about them then stop buying your clothes from them because why don't they just line all our clothes with arsenic and kill us all like that's not really the goal, so it's one of those things but We talked about a lot of problems some we can control some weekend i'm scared the text all the trees on my land will be cut down to below the next week, no takes falling on my head and maybe that's help and they definitely slide off my bald spot but when it comes to some of the solutions.

1:44:00 You do say our solutions do not have to re imagine the world they just have to reimagine are small corner of it we won't worry so much about energy costs if we are energy self sufficient or as close to it as we can be. We want me overly preoccupied with food prices if we grow our own ourselves for barter goods and services with others who do, if you use our own deflationary medium of exchange in overwhelmingly trade with like-minded people in our own communities, the rising cost of living will be less of a burden. I totally agree with that philosophy. It really is the only path. The food part is easy to understand and the energy parts are little harder because even if you're getting solar panels and doing some of these things like the grid is pretty much run by a cartel in the U S where even if you can produce more than you use it still has to go into the grid

1:44:51 It's a big big mess you know lot of red tape and policies keep you from being truly off the grid unless your really really rural whatever you know every. Every solution you can implement has a sliding scale difficulty do the best you can, but so we don't go out on a total bummer what are some more solutions or creative things people might have thought up so we can leave on some optimism I recently been talking about this a bit and i would say it's not all or nothing its what you can do it right now there is a group in the UK called mass noncompliance to put out very useful guide for the kind of thing that we might be able to do.

1:45:32 because if we comply with everything that has been foisted upon us, we're going to be in trouble. We will as a people and species will be in trouble within a few you know arguably I mean I suspect within my lifetime for the next decade or so probably but if we don't comply as we were saying earlier there's not much they can do about it now personally there's my phone So i don't have a smartphone yeah for the listeners it's uh, it's a nineteen ninety eight special looks like an old nokia. Yeah so you know i don't use that technology that particular technology obviously are using technology but im using. You know i'm using a linux system of got quite a lot of firewall place god no i'm a tech expert on a toilet when it comes to this stuff really. I'm trying to minimize my

1:46:32 Exposure to things so by you know i was reading up something about other women heard of this. I are reflective sunglasses ever heard of this yeah i have a good time, well these are more blue blockers but it's kind of the same thing like we shouldn't do these screens all day why don't know i mean i don't feel any different. I reflected sunglasses right for cameras it's alright People think i wear dark sunglasses where a face mask and that means the web at seeing it doesn't work because they can filter out, but they do cause if the eyes apparently are really keen to the facial recognition mapping without the eyes. Think people are too similar somebody is a really important if you were those glasses it just comes as a big white glare today facial recognition

1:47:32 the Well, when I'm thinking it through these are blue blockers so they're meant to block blue light not infrared. Infrared is supposed to be good for you So this is another thing like not to introduce a weird spiritual thing right here at the end But it seems like all the technologies that have are built on being anti-life I mean the blue and white emitting screens do damage to us The sunlight helps us and now too to counteract it just seems like what you're saying is the counter act the spectrum that they're using we have to put on infrared blocking. Glasses which in our eyes need and for a light so it's just it's just a big mess yeah first auntie life out there and

1:48:22 Yeah, I mean i think the main thing to do is to and i keep saying it just whatever in whatever way you can do it maximize your independence. Just maximize your independence don't be reliant on this or...I mean there's some things I have to rely on right so I'm heavily reliant on diesel all right? I need diesel which means I have to buy it from multinational corporate diesels We call them garages in the UK gas station yeah so i have to go to a multinational corporation by gats on that now there are other places where i can go. I could get it from and i haven't got to that yet and i do think that there are other things but i could potentially too secure your supply, what's really important to me and its also apart of the system that i cant invite i cant i haven't figured out yet

1:49:14 That doesn't matter because eventually if we don't adopt the things that are being rolled out if we use more cash it will refuse to use electronic payment systems if we do all the things that you just mentioned there that i wrote about in a book if we do exchange goods and services if we build communities with bailed, maybe homeschooling hubs those kind of thing if we start doing all that kinda stuff. I'm building something and i think that's the key and nothing i end up by saying we have to build something better it's not enough just yes, add down the system because. The system person i don't think we can tear it down because while people are relying upon it insufficient numbers it will just carry on so unless you're gonna. Suddenly convince me new and i've been doing this kind of work for a while right

1:50:11 I'm you know all the independent voices of seed some sort of small increase in viewing numbers and. You know people are gradually becoming more aware i think that is a good brilliant Unless we're gonna get the 80% of the population that still are absolutely tied to the system, still waving their flags and still doing all the things that the system requires of them. Unless we're going to suddenly convince them to abandon that way of thinking, We're not going to tear the system down I really don't think we are but what we can do is build something better

1:50:54 So that when we built that thing, hopefully at some point in the future when people do realize they've got themselves trapped in a control grid because they will. They'll have something to turn to because there will already be people who are not trapped by it if they see that were not starving to death even better if they look us and see that wow these people seem to having quite good life actually their alright if we can offer that to people when they are ready to abandon the system then true systemic change can happen but it's not gonna happen unless we. We have to build a thing we want first indeed and yeah we will be the ones to build back better thank you brandon

1:51:44 They have their plans and we know their plans and it's just how easy are we going to make it too in slave us i had christian westbrook the ice age farmer here not long ago and he said something i really liked which is that. No heat thinks there isn't inverse relationship between how hard they squeeze and how much flourishing happens in those creative solutions and, we saw with covid as the best example ever new networks were formed people who weren't gonna cave got to know each other and so the next time something like that happens we have a little bit of a head start in facilitating the things we need with people who are going to be ready to do it too. So, we won't be as exposed as we once were and I think that's a beautiful thing i have leaned into that inverse relationship but i think is true and we will just see what happens but

1:52:41 Mr davis it was a real pleasure you do great work and i guess all we can do is make sure were personally divesting from this stuff as much as we can and in terms of exposing that your on the front lines then we thank you for your service but give people the links that you got and tell them where to follow you and all that before we call it today. Yeah, my own site is iandavis.com it's all one word my name is iaindavis.com get me on my substack as well which is iandavis.substack.com I'm also very fortunate that I write for people like Whitney Webb Unlimited Hangout just got a new piece out today at unlimitedhangout.com and I am fortunate that my work is also syndicated by lot of other places and I want to give a shout out to Off Guardian which is a very important outlet specifically in the UK

1:53:31 people and they're pretty, they're raising money at the moment to stay afloat. So it'd be good if people can support them as well. All right. Well I love it! Thank you very much again. I appreciate your work keep doing what you do and take care my pleasure thanks very much inviting me It's been a laugh Well, well, well. Another trophy from my unlimited hangout shelf back there. Gotta catch them all as they say and I know Whitney Webb herself is in really high demand that I never really want to bother her. She's got Patrick Bet David to deal with she doesn't need me but she also has many colleagues that do great work right alongside her that don't get the same level of attention and that's where I tend to put my attention. I guess she had a falling out with Johnny Vedmore

1:54:20 I don't really get into the personal stuff, but i feel really bad for their baby if it is their baby and just the health issues that this baby has had. No one wants to spend year one in the hospital but you know Johnny would count and then there's Mark Goodwin who I like a lot he gave me a good tip on my new camera recently funny enough and he reps Zorak as well and I am a fan of that Matthew Aret has written for them as well and so is John Kleszak. So when it comes to those listed on their contributors page, we are about halfway through

1:54:57 Any is a big one i like getting more european perspective sometimes two because a lot of these things get brought out through the ee when of course the u.n. sustainable development goals and all that, what part of the u.n. i know but it really feels like we just do a lot of funding of it and most of the implementation happens over there maybe thats jus my perception but Do you guys feel like there's less resistance in the EU to this stuff overall? Hard to make blanket statements like that, but as the mighty mighty boss tone said that is the impression I get. I also think supply chain disruptions hit them harder too which is another thing There's a fine line between fear hype and awareness There's also big difference between food thats more expensive and no food at all

1:55:52 I think sometimes people look at the grocery store and they say, what shortages is this guy talking about? But obviously shortages just means a supply demand imbalance. And the prices can just be higher. It doesn't mean empty shelves per se my wife did come back from the grocery store yesterday and she said it was crazy how expensive everything was maybe that's your experience too I heard myself on tinfoil hat a couple years ago, and i sounded a little paranoid about it. I think I was raising the alarm a little too high but... I think COVID was so aggressive and bizarre that it shook me up as to just how fragile things are and how much of a house cat I've been! How dependent I've been on this whole system. I go back to that thing Christian Westbrook said The inverse relationship between how hard they squeeze us And how many people wake up

1:56:46 get out and do their own kind of independent thing. I have mixed feelings though about shows like this because the big technocrat control grid, regional city state digital tokenized everything dystopia the life as a service plan although i do like that term now well it's all been talked about for several years now and i don't feel too bad because we do a lot of other stuff to alongside that actually kinda crazy that some people out there are just hitting these points all day everyday and it's like. Their whole thing because the actual implementation move so slow that is just kind of exhausting to hear about it every single day when the plan takes five or eight years not that it isn't important as just like,

1:57:43 But I see my role as trying to cover all the bases of what's happening in the alternative world and so maybe once a quarter we do an interview that reminds us of this trajectory. I know that i don't even have to try sometimes, it gets brought up constantly on its own but It is not lost on me when it comes to hard-nosed conspiracy stuff technocracy is really the only game in town So we try to do more esoteric and unexpected things around here. The numbers and the data though that I've been reading about the Strait of Hormuz crisis, yikes! It really did seem to be the thing that motivated me to reach out to Ian initially because it felt like a new factor in this plan that was big enough to highlight and talk about. In fact one of the last conversations i had with Gordon prompted me to buy two gas pumps

1:58:38 Because if there really is a gas shortage, what is a small little gas can gonna do? But for like 100 bucks you can buy a plastic free-standing gas pump on Amazon that has the same little nozzle attachment that goes to your gas tank and everything. And it's on wheels and all that! I thought what harm is it to have this in the corner of my garage so that if things get scary... ...I can run up to 711 and fill it up. I've already seen it gets scary actually with the last hurricane we had I've seen the pressure test of having to drive past five empty gas stations when your gas light is on just to find one that has some juice to squeeze out, just to get home again. But whatever if iIve learned anything from Scar it's be prepared and Ian really knows his stuff the book is great It's a real thick boy as you can see here You should pick it up! It belongs on every conspiracy bookshelf especially in these times so

1:59:39 The first hour is great, there's always more in the second for the plus members. This plus show is great because if you know Ian's work he's very practical and nuts and bolts but I got him talking about the occult operating within the power networks and that was surprising He even commented afterwards how he doesn't usually go there but hey it's what I do! I want to get researchers to give us their best work help to get them out of their lane a little bit because two hours is a lot longer than the usual interview. We also talked about the whole debate over the multipolar world idea and if it's actually like a positive or negative thing, surprise! It's all negative but it sold as a new better alternative but it's always just a sales pitch

2:00:30 We talked about war as a tool for debt restructuring we know every major country is in massive debt so. You should expect a war and renegotiation period afterward when you look at the amount of that that the biggest nations in the world are under, There's really no question that we're going to go to war because wars always paid with chaos and dead bodies and destruction. And then the same bankers funding both sides just decide to move some numbers around on the old balance sheet. It's crazy how the world really works. Sign up for PLUS if you like what I do, huge archive of great interviews $8 a month for audio 12 if you prefer video

2:01:13 independently hosted and ad free, and there's no credit card required to use that seven day free trial. It's something different from what almost every other person in this space is doing but I am confident it's the right choice and I hope you agree and try it out." Okay In higher side news, I obviously got a nice new camera. It is so clear that I actually feel self-conscious and it shows every little cat hair on my mic and on me And it's quite gross, so you're welcome. I might go back to the old camera just because nobody needs to see me like this It's more detailed than looking into a mirror But other than that Let's scope out the reviews of The Last Show or the review number of The Last Show and that's the one with Leon Southgate! I was really happy with that one very off-the-radar topic unexpected some people

2:02:08 Seem to wish he had more polish to his delivery or a more excited delivery, but whatever. You know when you deal with someone who's going to do obscure research to this degree they're usually a little quirky I like characters i'm a character myself so that stuff is never a big deal for me maybe he's the Wozniak and he needs the jobs but He don't have one because that's just the way it works The material itself really jazzed me up and Leon has been very active in the comments too which plus people love to see and I appreciate. He was already a Plus member himself so it was very easy right now he's sitting at 4.6 and i will accept that Orgone talk at this level, in this depth is not going to be for everyone

2:02:56 But if or going and either is real we should take ourselves back to school and really understand how twisted our system is in how deceptive it's been. We have energy all around us and its band that's kind of the biggest conspiracy of all right, i don't know what we can do about the techno credit control grid except engage with a natural world and it starts to make sense that The natural world has been kind of quarantine from us and it really wants to be accommodating so we need to understand the mechanisms that are there. And can i help make them flourish if we can, it's difficult you know i find myself tripping over the language because its band people who do a lot of this free energy work die but

2:03:44 I think in the new world, we're going to really need those people at the front of the line to help us get things going again because people who are still stuck in a scarcity mindset and an oil only mindset are gonna be totally lost with all this new tech. And it's just good to get ahead of it and wrap your head around it so when maybe these options are more available you already know about them, you're already ready to go You don't have to be convinced you're already a believer. Anyway, meetup calendar time. All right Saturday June 13th we got Riverside California at the Brickwoods. June 21st Chicago Illinois The Map Room. June 27 Gilbert Arizona Desert Monks Brewing July 6 Northcote Point North Cote Tavern July 20th Oaks Pennsylvania Arnold's Family Fun Center

2:04:43 Love to see it. Hiresidemeetups.com, anyone free or plus listener can go and make an event just pick a local brewery or park or whatever public places obviously are very good and put it out there and give me two weeks so that I can make sure it gets said once or twice And once I make these announcements usually you get a handful of people showing up And it's good to meet other like-minded locals. Let's expand our networks, life can get lonely and we lose people too so that's a thing Good stuff! Thanks for listening I hope you're all living your best life and guarding against that ever dreaded burnout Early reviews of Disclosure Day are pretty good so like... That's something i guess

2:05:29 Alright, I'm outta here. I've done my part! Your move Control Obsessed Technocrats Omni Crisis Engineers and Neo Nerd Nexus. You're fucked. Sorry you can't sleep tonight Mama says you're scared out here Well i've checked in every corner And promised there's nothing to fear Well at least not in your room kid It might be the only place you're safe So you might as well relax now There's much more to fear when you're awake The real m-sters are outrunnin' everything And they're way worse than you can imagine! So don't be scared in your own head You can't be bothered by the dark in this life Cause no night light's bright enough When you really s-t out there, so at least in here Be tough. House sounds can be scary

2:06:48 But it's just a little noise Wait until the stresses they put you under Eat up all your dreams and joy Sure I'll check inside Can't crack the door, a little bit as it gets The real monsters are out running They ain't waiting And they're way worse than you can imagine So don't be scared of your own

2:07:28 You can't be bothered by the dark in this life, cause no night light's bright enough! So don't you worry yourself about it You're well protected here tonight Insulated from a thousand different nightmares That get very real and I think you'll be alright The REAL MONSTERS ARE OUT RUNNING And they're way worse than you can imagine Don't be scared of your own head! YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED BY THE DARK IN THIS LIFE Cause no night light's bright enough

2:08:37 See the world out there so at least in here be tough