Free Plus Show: Eric P. Dollard | Tesla Tech, Understanding Aether, & The Digital Demon

00:01 Hello free first hour subscribers. Greg Carlwood here and over the years some of the main things I've heard about the full two-hour plus show and the membership are things like, oh iIve been meaning to sign up for a long time but have just been lazy or that the first hour sounds so good and complete that it's hard to feel like you're missing that much or assess the value of a second hour Basically, the old adage you don't know what you're missing. And I understand that point...I don't really like to tease things in that sort of way feels too sleazy salesman-y So I thought about how I could address that What I might be able to do to convince more free listeners That it's worth converting over for and there really is no better way To do that than showing free listeners what a plus show is like or how much more a second hour might contain

00:51 And that is my plan here, at least for a while. And we'll see how it works out for me one older plus show in the free show feed every month at the end of the month as a sort of peek behind the plus curtain because people who are members hear full two hour interviews in a single file. It's a little different from the way other people in this space do it where they split the hours into two separate files To me, as a listener that's annoying. It's like flipping tape from side A to side B I don't really want to deal with that when i'm in the middle of something else just keep it going! Also a waste of the listeners time to hear two wrap ups and two introductions trying to get back into the vibe so thats why do it like I do it does confuse people sometimes

01:39 Which means that for these free feed sample episodes, if you feel like what you're hearing is too fresh in your memory skip ahead about 50 minutes and just pick up from there. And you can be pretty sure that you're hearing all the Plus Show content My process has always been find a natural sounding cut point about halfway in Make a chop and then tack on the whole tell us where we can get more links, etc. Section that is always at the end of a full interview So if you're trying to work it out in your head That's how I do it

02:15 But that said, I'm trying to choose episodes that I have fond memories of even if the material isn't 100% fresh in my mind and ones that are also on some of the more timeless subjects. No point rehashing some old political thing or a previous year's astrology and just going by that gives me tons of great shows to choose from I hope you enjoy this new process, and it gives new life to older episodes. And re-highlights some of the amazing guests i've been lucky enough to have. Of course if you end up thinking damn that was good! That was more satisfying than just the normal free show maybe it is worth eight dollars a month well then i would hope that you do pull the trigger...I mean why try to make it something else? That IS THE GOAL HERE

03:03 So I think everyone wins with this free Plus Show a month plan. If you want to know why I picked this episode and the date it originally aired, I'll add that to the show notes right along with the easy Plus signup links if you want to start that seven day free trial. If you want plus through Spotify use the Patreon link otherwise use the main one thanks and enjoy! In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats

04:00 All right, all right people getting the party started from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and for years we've been dissecting the damage done by the power elite for most of human history and speculating over which areas have set us back the most Is it debt-based central banking which has everyone redlining their lives to make more green paper as they attempt to escape the debt trap inherent in the economic system itself? Is it the suppression of natural medicine and the powerful reality of nutrition based health and wellness, in exchange for petrochemicals and radiation based solutions yielding these same power pyramid players billions off the backs of our dead friends and family.

04:39 Or might it be the quarantine around certain foundational principles of nature that bright minds like Wilhelm Reich, Viktor Schauberger and Nikola Tesla tried to teach us about? As well as harnessing the abundance all around us which could equalize everyone on the planet's access to electricity heat light and power without discrimination or even the need to invoke the economic system at all. Wherever you might plant your flag it's option three that we're going to be drilling home today Not only because it upsets the corporate controllers hell-bent on sucking from the parasitic power grid, but also because the eradication of this esoteric understanding has been a process that started with warping and twisting the fundamental knowledge of the entire natural world in a way in which the damage caused by that mind virus is hard to even calculate.

05:28 Now, in today's world the holistic beauty and tangled elegance and built-in abundance of our human terrarium seems like wishful fantasy rather than the way things really are. And the positive philosophical and spiritual underpinnings inherent to that understanding are replaced with fear greed and a harshness it's all born out of this faulty understanding of the universe itself Well, few people understand the depth of all this like today's returning guest back after four long years Eric P. Dollard Eric is an electrical engineer who is a living legend in the field of electrical research. He is considered by many to be the most knowledgeable expert alive today on the true nature of electricity In his work, he shows how all electric phenomena can be mathematically measured and engineered without using calculus or Maxwell's equations. He's also the only person since Tesla's death to successfully build a real magnifying transmitter

06:24 He's written too many landmark papers to name and given fascinating conference presentations like four quadrant representation of electricity, the extra luminal transmission systems of Tesla and Alex Anderson. The power of the ether as related to music in electricity musical seismograph in history and theory and practice of the electrical utility system It's an honor and a pleasure to have him here again. So let's get into it, the proverbial Tesla 2.0, a true guru of electrical engineering and a bright mind for our troubled times. Eric, my man, welcome back to The Higher Side. OK, well thank you!

07:00 Yes this is a real pleasure i can't believe it's been four years big thanks to erin murakami for getting us connected again, no last time we talked about your history and background for people who don't remember you had a lab at rca and along successful career that was sort of taken from you. And as soon as you get going again your work would be destroyed or sabotage live out the toyota corolla for years it seemed like the sort of rough history i would expect for person doing this sorta work And given the people in the past who were pushed out of the circle in similar ways, but it seems like the last four years have been a lot more positive. EPD Labs is going strong. The presentations and demonstrations you give show real functioning equipment and it seems like a lot of roadblocks have been lifted and now you're in the pretty advanced stages with a lot of work that you've been doing. Is that fair to say? Are things looking up?" Well yes and no

07:56 So there's not really the necessary funding to do a lot of these things. And the problem is, is no one really interested anymore I have nobody to help me traditionally in my history people that show up to help actually have the opposite mind so what's good now if i have a place to keep my books and my test equipment work on my cars and so I can continue at least on the writing end right now, which is kind of what people are most interested in. Presently i'm working on my next presentation so it isn't a last minute deal

08:32 Like they usually are where everything gets crammed in the one month. Put about two thousand powerpoint slides to still down to eight hundred and etc etc so that presentation i gave on the power grid debacle was an absolute monster put together it was five and a half hour presentation but, I think i got the point across at their entire power grid of this country is being sabotaged by Something that i can't definitely put my finger on but whatever it is this level and its intent. On the completely turning our power grid into kind of an electromagnetic terrorist tool

09:13 That is actually you know that's something we talked about a little bit last time touched on at least this idea that the current state of our electrical grid, is very shaky and in fact the person like yourself who has such knowledge of electrical engineering can clearly see that the grid has been. set up to have a vulnerability that is completely unnecessary, that they've gone out of their way to connect it in a way that it would do kind of the most damage. Is that what you're saying? Can you elaborate on that a bit?" Yeah, it used to be that the electrical transmission and distribution system was a closed system so that it wasn't really susceptible to earth currents or EMPs

10:01 Stray zero sequence current or what have you but now the whole thing is with deliberation and a great expense being turned inside out to be the opposite it's being turned into a giant antenna so. With my equipment that I have when i travel around, my car basically is kind of like an insect you know it looks like an insect with the antennas. It actually senses that way the fields around and what have you with the equipment in the car i can sense my electric environment turning into audio

10:38 because I guess, if i could consider this more of a conspiratorial form. I will express my conspiracy theory from what I've determined in my car. Digital is a totalitarian fascist reality and it's attempting to basically just overwhelm everything and pull people into its artificial malevolence The enemy to that is radio because radio basically can't be controlled It uses the natural medium to communicate and it has an interesting side effect in that it allows us to be in contact with the electrical nature of the planet through little bits of interference you hear, and the way propagation changes. How it responds to sunspots and ionosphere and Earth's magnetic field is basically one my main interests in it so

11:36 What is being introduced is every time you go to Walmart or whatever and you buy an electrical device, it has a jammer built into it. And this jammer basically singles out the AM broadcast band so that you can't listen to your favorite talk show host. It jams out CB radios so that you can't communicate with the other truckers. It causes massive interference to HF communications There's no legitimate engineering reason why a simple device like a light dimmer has to become a massive World War II style barrage transmitter. So this is what you're plugging into your wall outlets, now the power grid is being turned inside out so rather than having closed isolated loops it's all on a common neutral which is a massive antenna which carries this interference

12:30 So from the conspiratorial standpoint, what I see going on here is a deliberated effort most likely by the Chinese to completely wipe out the process of radio broadcasting and communications. Wow! And there's no technical or functional reason for making this change? It just seems like maybe the setup for something in the future. You know, like I say that's the conspiratorial side of it. The other way of looking at it would be the Babylonian element nobody understands any this stuff anymore and safety reliability legalities are all non-existent so important components that used to exist in various electrical and electronic devices are being left out because they cost money and they add weight

13:23 So, consequently you get these nasty transients and other complications. And then they want to eliminate all the transformers from the power supplies using these switching circuits. The Einstein, you know electron, electronics concepts and all that completely ignore the electric field so these things are basically just shredding the ether around them so that they can save a buck And Einstein says that the electric field doesn't exist, so in their mind it doesn't. So they don't care what they do to it but it just plays complete havoc with all of my radio equipment

14:03 And what this has caused is a massive parasitic current inside the Earth, which is completely wiping out my teluric research. In one location where a lot of effort time and money was spent in putting up the receiving system once we connected to the Earth we found that the parasitc zero sequence where harmonic component traveling inside the earth was 20 million times stronger than the signal we wanted to receive. You could actually connect a telephone receiver between a 1200 foot span, connecting to a set of 8-foot ground rods on each end and you hook a telephone handset something that most people probably don't even know what it is anymore and it's so loud you couldn't hold it to your ear

14:47 Wow, wow. And you mentioned the Babylonian element last time we talked you had mentioned a sort of neo-pagan cult that was somewhat interfering in your work as much as you could surmise is now what you're talking about some kind of philosophical difference and how to manage energy and electricity that is derived from some cult like beliefs? Well that's another element And that's kind of more, you know like on a spiritual level. So a lot of the nefarious activities of that element have become kind of quite public lately because they're very deviant people

15:29 They seem to derive pleasure on like trashing everything around them and wrecking people's lives. And that's what they live for, and I know that directly because I was at the receiving end of it when these people came in and took over our town, Bolinas. And I was the only one who stood up against them that survived and caused them significant damage so This is the smiling face that's presently in the public mind, in this whole genre of humans. Hillary Clinton or this Epstein guy would be an example. These people are sickos that

16:10 I'm not qualified to get into the depth of. So presently, I am reading a book called Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich to help me understand the new fascist age that we're moving into right now – The Next Totalitarian Society which will not be isolated to borders this time it will be global and this is what's being fought right now by the few people who still have a brain in their head Well, yes. Amen! And most of the things that they do and where they get it from are all clearly secret so it is tough to get a real handle on their true motivations goals and belief system but you can definitely see the general shape of something that is not good for humanity No, its parasite to humanity It's like having a tick in your neck the size of a football Yes indeed it is

17:07 So the stuff you're doing is just really amazing and i guess to try to undo some of the damage at the school system and maybe get people's mental wheels turning a little bit, we could maybe touch on electrical engineering history in where things went wrong i pulled a short section from your paper revival of the science of electricity in the digital age where you say, a fundamental electric medium, or ether which fills all space and permeates all matter. Regardless of the fruitfulness of this idea of the ether and its tubes of electric induction it was later forcibly driven from electrical theory and replaced with a false idol, the electron, and its sacred companion Einstein-Minkowski relativity

18:11 And that's definitely the story in a nutshell, but I'm kind of an awe that this corporate academic cabal could suppress this holistic understanding once it was already out there. Can you elaborate on that part of the story and where we took this negative 180? Well, it's a little bit at a time. It's always done by attrition. So a stage at a time, false concepts were introduced just like with anything else, just like what happened with the food you know, a little bit at the time. For example I basically live on fruits and vegetables and for me fruit juice is very important part of my daily life it used to be you go to the liquor store gas station if you had a quart bottle of grapefruit juice well all of a sudden there is no more grapefruit juice

19:02 Okay, well now I get apple juice. Well now there's no more apple juice There's no more orange juice There's no more fruit juice But there's row after row after row of cans and bottles of chemical Formulations that even though I have a good background in chemistry. I can hardly understand what's in them hmm Yes, I've noticed that too. There's nothing I can drink in a 7-eleven No there won't be at some point the general aim is there will be any of this stuff available anymore people believing on these chemicals and that's part of the reason why they're getting so ugly and nasty.

19:41 there was a time when people had a better understanding of the holistic world and the role of electricity in it, and the role of the ether. And then we have this incremental change where they do this complete 180 flip, but now that stuff is so foreign to the mainstream. But I think this audience is a bit familiar with either physics, the electric universe model, Velikovsky, Reich, Schauberger, and of course Tesla these people on subjects that have all had a piece of the elephant But if people were just to clear their minds of the erroneous paradigm we have today and you were to explain the fundamentals of our system or environment like we were five years old, how would you set us straight when it comes to understanding this electric medium or the ether and its role in the natural world? Well that's not something you can say in one sentence. Fair I know it's a little complicated Yeah so basically that's what my writing has been about is to try to systematically

20:37 clarify these things through the complete redevelopment of the theory of electricity right from square one. So, the concepts that are presently being implemented you just have to reject all those things – the electron and all this type of stuff relativity, speed of light... All these things are ultimately meaningless so everything has to be redefined and since I started When I was destitute in Owens Valley, I had nothing else to do so. So I decided okay this was the point which I was going to end up deep in the bushes rewrite the entire book on electricity and that started with this thing now that's known as The Lone Pine Writings

21:26 So presently, I'm kind of taking that to the next level for my next presentation. I've written thousands and thousands of pages of material but there's basically no money and there is no help to process any of this stuff so basically right now in a dead horse farms situation There just simply is no interest in any of this stuff anymore on a supportive level. None, not one dime's worth other than you know I get random donations which basically pays the utility bills and I'm not saying, you know that I'm not getting some kind of help with this but the days of the Josh Reynolds and all that. You know that they give you financing in $25,000 hunks in a day where you know I could still get tubes and transistors and there was still a basic surplus industry and several other people my age to work with me? That's all gone. I am completely isolated. I might as well be on Mars

22:28 Right it seems like the current operation is more bootstrapped based off the generous donations of inquisitive individuals rather than the big systemic, massive funding that goes into other projects or any kind of corporate situation. It's because i guess they realize that this stuff is actually gonna be upsetting to their financial apple card and so suppression of the way and so. The only people who are gonna find it our individuals who have all tourists motives in seeing that paradigm flipped again yeah but species no longer exists that's the problem,

23:07 It is very sad and i definitely am impressed with all the material you put out aaron has just flooded me with all kinds of stuff that i've tried to wrap my head around but again i've been not kind of conditioned. Living in this system as we all have so it's hard to really reverse that damage and conceive of things freshly but, electric ether apparently its everywhere i guess is it fair to say it's the medium in which all matter Matter of all kinds planets people everything kind of emerges from yeah it's at the primordial medium. That makes sense so that this is what will help right gets into with his or go on, show because he speaks in a more common language it's kinda it would be easier to understand his concepts than you know to go dive and do some mathematical symbolisms are all about

24:02 But this primordial medium keeps presenting itself, but the academia people they're often there. This is a thing that I'm going through with the seismic deal which basically has gone dead horse farms Let's take for example You know, I built the system it was worth about one and a half million dollars in the Mojave Desert And then it was embezzled and there was absolutely no interest whatsoever In paying the ransom And that station was destroyed even though the Marine Corps and the county everybody was interested in it when this other element comes in there's nothing you can do to fight these people.

24:47 they're everywhere, they have infinite power. They basically have control of all the intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies now after they successfully destroyed the Bell system now they have a communication system where they can alter things and make you think that somebody's saying something or not or suppress you or what-have-you so at any rate I know people that work in the government realm who know other people that have really pushed this electric seismology stuff to the point where it's on an engineering level. And there are utility companies that are interested in taking this thing on an engineering level, but their problem is because these people are academics they're not interested

25:40 It's a threat to them they just simply want more money for more funding to do more experiments. And if you actually try to get them to help you, become an advisor or do help with interacting with a specific utility company. To point out yes indeed there's experimental verification they got their PhD they work in government laboratories they're not interested it's a dead horse I'm sick of whipping it won't move Well it seems like if people were to understand there's a relationship between electro frequency and seismic activity in earthquakes i mean that could lead to this understanding that they wanna quarantine. Yeah basically the whole einsteinian philosophy despises electricity absolutely despise is it so as soon as you try to introduce anything electrical

26:41 into a realm such as seismology, you are in trouble. So for example there was a successful seismic forecasting system built in Greece it's called the VAMS System There is a book that came out recently on this and I got in this...I gave a 90 minute presentation at Aaron's last conference so that basically kind of quantified What's going on here so this fan system that the van is the initials of the three people that developed a system it's a physics minded system. Not really electrically engineered or what have you it says they drove ground rods into the dirt until they found a spot that was electrically active and then they connected to ground rods together through a length long distance telephone line very similar to what i'm doing

27:33 and then put galvanometers into this loop, you know of the earth in the wire. And the precursors were impossible to ignore absolutely impossible to ignore they set up a network they were able with over 99% accuracy to determine that magnitude and location and these were academics And the powers to be in Greece got their phone lines pulled down and got their power turned off. And even though they achieved world fame, and were right there in the list of all the critical references with the scientists that I had mentioned at the government scientists that I know, the whole thing just withered up and blew away in the wind. Taylor's oldest time

28:23 And the United States Geological Survey, if you're into this stuff can be regarded as a terrorist organization. They will do everything in their power to make monkeys out of the scientists that are developing this stuff So now I won't mention their names, but you know i've talked to him personally. They've been raked over the coals so much that they won't talk about it anymore you know they're all pouty about it they don't have a person on like me which is an immediate show of teeth they just run and stick their tail between their legs and whimper rather than getting angry and hostile and disruptive so basically at all ends there

29:03 You know, then I'm told that the USGS will actually come in and destroy their instruments. And it's war! It's basically warfare. It's a war against electricity. Man, and I was lucky enough to see that seismic presentation on the system you built, and it's a bit over my head but... ...you're definitely getting some readings and these frequencies do seem to change right before an earthquake I guess for the people listening, can you tell us a bit about what data you're pulling from and the real mechanism behind earthquakes? Where are these readings that you're getting actually coming from? What's the catalyst for them? Well basically what happens is an electrical stress situation builds up along with the mechanical stress situation. And then there's a certain critical level where the electrical stress and the mechanical stress start to interact in feedback—a positive feedback runaway

30:00 And then you start getting very heavy current flows, and because there's a boundary condition involved the currents bounce off the boundaries and you start to get very powerful alternating currents. If you have a type of underground antenna system such as the Alexandrissian antenna You can receive those currents if you're near enough to the fault and they're very powerful and they are very easy to detect. And then next, these currents start because current is magnetism and magnetism is current and current is mechanical force, and magnetism is mechanical force. The thing that the academia and the Einsteiners can't get is there's nothing... you can't say that there's current and there's magnetism and there's force they're all one thing so when you got current that means you've got magnetism it means you've got force So now that starts exerting force on the rocks Now you start to get very powerful magnetic fields that are also very easy to detect

31:03 So, out of this last Ridgecrest earthquake my friend that works in the government installation on his own had been monitoring what are called magnetometers. And even though these magnetometers were located a few hundred miles away from the point of disruption they picked up significant distortions in the Earth's magnetic field. Now, in my situation I was in my car in Oregon in the wilderness free from all of the noise listening to these things and my AM radio I have modified so that I can tune into the band below it which is now pretty much abandoned that used to be the Maritime Communications Telegraph Band It's blank now

31:48 At sunset, my radio in the car sounded like it was trying to chew its way out of the car. I never heard such crazy sounds and I knew immediately that there was a teluric event in progress somewhere It's like a noise storm and I have determined with absolute certainty because you know these earthquakes don't occur all the time so if there's a long wait in between And I might not have the instruments but fortunately I have this stuff good enough that I can carry around with me is before every major earthquake, 12 hours to 48 hours beforehand there's a massive noise storm that reflects off the ionosphere. And it's very similar to the noise storm that comes out of hurricane except the hurricane storms are more of a frying and popping where the earthquake noise storms are more even hiss

32:39 So right there is a definite forecasting tool and because it's medium frequency to high frequency, it's possible to build directive antennas and triangulate these things and pinpoint pretty much where the earthquake or seismic event from the more scientific terminology is going to occur. It really doesn't take much more than a section of old-style open wire long distance telephone line to do this stuff. There's nothing high tech, and you plug it into an audio amplifier with the speaker and you have filter that tunes out the Navy signals for the submarines and the other transmitting that is going on inside the Earth

33:24 Which tends to interfere with it, there's nothing complicated. There is nothing expensive the system in Greece was a 15 mile long telephone line two ground rods and galvanometer that all that involved in that case they have to find sensitive spots but because I'm using the electrodynamic method Which is based on kind of a radiation i don't have to find the sensitive spot because it's emanating out of the ground everywhere. electromagnetically for the lack of a better word rather than conductively. So it's not like, I don't know if there is probably no one alive anymore that remembers the old Galena crystal radio sets where you used to have this little thing, this little piece of piano wire and you would poke around on this little lump of lead sulfate until you found one little crystal and all of sudden then all the radio stations would come pouring out at the headphone

34:18 The van system was like that it had to look for the sensitive spot where the system, that I've been developing and other people. Like the scientist that i have mentioned have been experimenting with this more of a radio type of thing So it's all, it's all engineerable. Basic engineerable every utility company could have one of these things that wouldn't be in that case you know you wouldn't have to be alerting the public and causing a panic and all these types of things because basically it's the utility systems are the ones you know the fires and what-have-you and all that stuff mainly the gas companies would be the most interested but

35:00 The problem is, this digital totalitarianism is working its way into every aspect of our society and because these people's brains are turned inside out they fight it. We really have reached a hopeless situation so basically I've declared the seismic forecasting a dead horse and have no more interest in it whatsoever There's no point by beating a dead horse too long. Nobody is interested, so what I did was take an alternate approach to entertainment. People want to be entertained. So what i'm going to do is have a basic seismic sensing system in the mine that has very sophisticated transducers and designed amplifier to go with it

35:51 Basically one million times amplification. and then that goes into a double sideband modulator. It's an XYZ coordinate system as far as the earth motion goes in the mind, and then that will be converted into tones musical tones that the mind can grasp basic musical triad it's called like C E G would be one or F A C I'm going to use F A C And basically the inside of the Earth will be turned into wind chimes. This thing will be so sensitive that the rocking of the Earth and its kind of twisting, because it's not a smooth motion through space because the earth is somewhat discontinuous

36:37 and there's electric fields, solar flares and what have you. The Earth is in a…as I showed in the Landers installation on the scope, the surface of the Earth is like the surface of the ocean – there are waves all the time so basically you can put on these stereo headphones and actually experience on audio level being inside the earth and perceiving all of this very, you know small but significant in that they encompass the physical dimensions of the earth It's kind of a new type of stereo Earth stereo. So right now my total concentration is on Earth stereo and Also listening to the impulses and the noise storms And that kind of stuff like I had mentioned these You know whistlers and auroral choruses then all these types of natural sounds That is fundable

37:31 So that is the direction I'm going right now. Right on, right on! Yes, I think that would be very entertaining and I appreciate the background on this electrodynamic seismic forecasting because you don't hear about much anymore but people used to be all up in arms about the HAARP antenna array and speculation was it could cause earthquakes and thats a technology that seems very adjacent in this kind of area... Well, I gotta make a correction on that whole HAARP thing Nothin burger. It's a conspiracy There's nothing to any of that at all Hmm All that stuff is a lot of that was cooked up by government disinformation officer named Tom Bearden and in his cohorts which really worked to introduce a lot of harm into the understanding of all this stuff and very successfully led everybody on the wrong path, but

38:21 with this free energy and what have you. They're very, very destructive people. They really right at the onset when it was looking good they came in and just twisted the whole thing upside down basically the harp is an ionospheric research tool And I pick it up on my radio equipment if there's nothing going on in the sun like right now the sun has gone dead There's no more solar cycle, which is going to have profound implications for human life on Earth. Socially all humans just become barbarians like in the Dark Age and I don't think there's any shortage of evidence of that. And then the weather gets cold, the climate changes

39:02 Radio long-distance radio propagation dries up it'll have all kinds of you know biological effects and what have you Wow, how long do you think it would take for those effects to fully roll out and to peak? I think the people that are in the know on that or looking at about a 10 year period Shit people will be begging for global warming. Hmm It's going to get really cold And humans are just going to turn into animals. Wow! They'll have no interest in anything, and on top of that this digital disruption you know of the human psyche and what-have-you is... The situation is terminal. Wow well that's depressing but to return to entertaining aspects of this work you're doing I like the idea of making music out of the earth

39:55 Another thing that this kind of relates to is apparently seismic readings seem to indicate that when you get down into the earth, it is more hollow than solid. Is that the case? That's what you're deriving from these readings? Not my own but from other people's. It is kinda strange because the frequencies I'm getting are octaves above what the academia's would say would be possible for a solid Earth. There seems to be some kind of boundary condition that is creating in the very low frequency, to the ultra-low frequency band it's kinda hard you know it's like well what's inside the Sun? We'll never know what's inside the Sun... What's inside the Earth we will never know either but just from the basic principles physical dynamics the earth would have to be hollow

40:48 The whole thing about the gravitic force getting greater and greater as it goes to the center, well that kind of sounds good but if you try to map the fields out and the stresses it doesn't work out like that. It's an impossibility. It means that the intensity of the force would be infinite at the central singularity point which is an absurdity so there has to a kind of an equilibrium point at some distance from the surface to the center of the earth along that radius where, The forces would turn backwards and go outwards rather than inwards.

41:26 That's really interesting i'm fascinated by that concept a lot of people talk about the prospect of an inner sun so to speak and that seems so wild but a lot of other people have expressed it to me as you have the sun and the inner sun has the two kind of. Calls and they are creating fields that would be like you say kinda more, There be an equilibrium along the cross they would both be pushing towards the cross i mean is that the concept that you entertain. Well you got that coming from outside and then u have what's coming from inside out so to me it would be natural there will be some kind of, for lack of better word no energy zone in the center radiating outwards

42:14 And from the mechanical standpoint, if a smaller mass is attracted to a larger mass and you have an object inside the Earth and then there's a backwards mountain on the inside surface of the Earth that would be attracted towards that. So it can't just keep getting greater and greater as you get to the center because the center from the attraction standpoint would be towards the outside. Now, of course that operates in conflict with the inverse square law but I'm not a strong believer in the inverse square law there could be something else going on here plus There's fields and fluxes that we don't even know about involved in this situation And so nobody can say with any absolution what exactly is going on here? I tend to approach things from you know from a more common sense You know

43:06 what if i learned as an engineer approach. Well there are all these science articles coming out that talk about mountain ranges under the earth, oceans under the earth and that's super fascinating I mean there seems to be a lot more unexplored territory than we even realize I don't know why would think only does 0.001 percent of the outside surface is the only thing thats important on a body this large Yeah, it's a complicated situation. You have all these currents and stresses and that's what I've been getting after with my long distance telephone lines—the Long Line efforts is to build a radio telescope to listen to the inside of the Earth. That has been my fundamental objective since I first discovered this stuff in my Landers facility

43:58 Wow and listening to the inside of your this very compelling but how far do you think we have to either drill down or x ray the earth to kind of prove that it's hollow inside how far down past across what we have to get to really like wake people up to the fact that there are models wrong, where can i can't be done mechanically you know you only control down so deep. Right. I think eight miles is the furthest so far Yeah, and it allegedly you know They're going off of you know reflection and refraction the proverbial day I prefer to call it yet if you change today to it You get a much better understanding of what's going on? I encourage everybody to experiment in and can talk to their friends and Resist saying they and start saying it will clarify everything you'll see exactly what's happening here Hmm

44:49 I'm more interested in the audio and radio frequency aspect of it. So basically all's I need is borings down 100 feet, and a row of them connected to this transmission system that I developed out of the Alex Anderson design, and have a network for directive receiving, and that way then I can pinpoint the electrical activity. If there was a network of these things all over the planet You know, it's hard to say you could never really...you know being a science you can't say what's going to happen until you do it. You have to do the experiments right that now there are no more experiments There's you know bogus equations are cooked up and then you try to find a physical force fit And that's not even necessary anymore So just like Tesla said they wander through equation equation and they've lost all contact with reality hmm

45:46 It's what it is. It's a religion, it's a mystic religion and it's in tune with the whole philosophy that goes along you know with digital totalitarianism Right now we're just like Germany was in 1933 We are going to move into a totalitarian age that is going to be the most frightening That the human species has ever conceived And no one will be able to think and don't want to be able to do any of this stuff anymore and that's why I'm living in dead horse farms. My world's dead and gone if i try to get money for something it just They just want to pull it off, you know into some other avenue that is completely inimical To the direction that i'm trying to go on there's nothing you can do It's digital well it's interesting that you bring up that period of history and germany because it seems like that was the last time period In which these esoteric sciences were really being paid attention to

46:40 Well, that was about the end. That would be the end of the era World War two was kind of a global readjustment program To basically finally bury all this stuff and then get into this nuclear and chemical—I think you already used that terminology in our talking here. Wilhelm Reich, I'm reading his books now on fascism, he calls it the chemical atomic whatever like cabal that in the 50s you could see that was the case. That's when the food became all synthetic, people became totally unnatural in their life everything was like sterilized and neurotic kind of like a worship of death

47:27 And Reich was pointing out that this had to be fought against and the methodologies to do it, which basically mainly started with not screwing your children up. That revival—the Reiki in concept revival actually came about in the 60s into the 70s but the whole thing just turned right around again so basically the summer of love turned into the winter of hate. Man and yeah this it is so pervasive i mean its basically a death call like you say i guess. Do you have any idea what really drives that are motivated just destruction is it some kind of spiritual entity that's actually influencing the human powers that be well right refers to it as the emotional plague add red points out,

48:18 over and over again in his book on fascism that you can't blame the charismatic or tyrannical leaders. The masses want fascism, and he uses the collapse of the Soviet Revolution and the introduction of the primordial Marxist communism And how the whole thing turned into totalitarian regime which was totally out-of-touch with the original concept because that's the world that people like to live in And it focuses intensely on, as he repeatedly points out is reactionary versus revolutionary behavior.

48:59 So that you can't really make an improvement. It's it's always reactive like this whole political quagmire now, right? You know one side reacts against the other and then the key tool the fuel that starts that feeds the fire of fascism a Totalitarianism is the introduction of racial hate we don't have any shortage to that now do we know how many times how many times Do you hear that word when you turn on the radio or the TV? It's constant. Constant, so here we are right back to the same old thing and We'll have a new Hitler or but it will probably be a digital artificial malevolence Yeah, it is It's a demon if he keeps people angry all the time every time I see somebody sitting in front of that stinking computer They're always angry. It's a fight That's a constant fight And it's going to get worse and worse and worse as these quakes finally

49:56 Develop their what they call the singularity that's there their final goal. Hmm Well, this gets really into something that I wanted to ask you about in terms of the relationship between electricity and life There's a experiment you did with something called the cosmic induction generator And for people listening i want to read a bit from the explanation written by i believe your protege john Polowski? Yeah, Polakowski. John Polakowski where he says one of the most awe-inspiring experiments by Eric Dollar was called the Cosmic Induction Generator or the SIG so named because the SIG produces intense lines of derelict induction that cause a plasma to form which takes on the shape and form of a galaxy in space The aspect that is extraordinary is

50:50 plasma doesn't take on random shapes or motions, it forms a mini-universe. Witnesses to the original experiment described the plasma as being alive conscious and having a memory this display of the galaxy was termed The Galaxy in A Bulb because the plasma formed in a burned out incandescent bulb." This really sounds amazing and the images are super impressive I mean what's happening here? Are you...are you happy having galaxies emerge inside a light bulb? Exactly. This is your whole electric universe, what was really ironic at the time I was doing this in my RCA lab out in Belatus, I was concurrently reading Wilhelm Reich's Cosmic Superimposition where he's showing how two streams—two ether streams

51:41 would converge into each other and start this spiral form. And that's how the hurricanes, and the galaxies, and all these things take shape—that's what makes the Earth rotate is what keeps the planets in their spot there's nothing to do with gravity we're living in this swirling vortex that carries the planets with it and what have you And basically I was using the dielectric lines of force or the Faraday tubes that came out of the Tesla transformers to produce this kind of dual flux flow that converged into the spirals and that's how I got the galaxy. Now, I only got a complete galaxy once in the beginning and it was very difficult to get anything of that beauty and form to appear later

52:28 Because there's so many factors involved and it does have seem to sense. What is people are thinking or what have you around it, too? So It kind of acts like its alive It reminds me of an old outer limits episode where they had You know some big field generator if you know in a kind of chamber And they started to produce the universe in it And they were fascinated, you know that they could see the formations of stars and galaxies. And then what happened that freaked everybody out is some kind of God or consciousness emerged and came out of the thing and started harassing them and freaked them all out. You know not only had they created

53:13 what appeared to be a physical universe, but there were lives and deaths and creations and destructions. And it was a real universe with the real spiritual entity that basically attended it. God this is the most fascinating thing of all the work Aaron sent me! It really was this that blew my mind the most. That's all important context for this last image where John goes on to show you know all these pictures that look like these galaxies or this type of plasma discharges at the Electric Universe folks talk about just like you mentioned and then he hit me with this last image, and it says this one is very mysterious first notice the organic plasma formation in the bulb

53:56 but also notice the quote unquote figure that appears towards the bottom of the picture. Is it an image artifact or is it an entity that decided to appear when living electricity is present? And it does look like a little ghost, or figure of light I mean what are your thoughts on that? Oh, I don't know! Is that this thing?! I don't know...I mean you know could have been anything but it looks weird That's one thing all What's fascinating is, even after the bulb explodes because of the ether pressure—you know there's a partial vacuum in it that the bulb is supposed to implode but it doesn't. It explodes! This formation will maintain its boundary condition and stand there in space with no bulb between the coils for about one second until finally can maintain this boundary condition. We've never had anybody get injured

54:53 in these experiments until there was a point which I periodically go through on a cyclic basis where everything is going to get destroyed or it's trying to be stolen from me, so the women and white Got me out of the integrity on they tried to steal my lab at gunpoint but we had guns too there is some guy that was a research engineer developmental engineer independent, making stuff for all the car companies or what have you some kind of engine or something he was working on. And he was going to be our patron and he was gonna pay, to get the stuff safely moved to Santa Barbara. Well actually he had kind of more malevolent intent it seemed like he wanted to basically you know get this stuff and then push us out so He came by the lab one day to see this bulb phenomenon and what was inside the bulb didn't like him The bulb exploded through all the glass at him and this thing was like floating in space We never saw him again

55:54 What the hell man Well it's like if you do venture into some of the paranormal fields when it comes to spirits or non-human intelligence there seems to be an electrical or plasma based relationship of some kind. Some say you draw their attention when you start doing things in this realm and they might even show up, some say tesla interacted with these beings. Do you think there is any truth to that idea of non human intelligences that are somehow connected to these realms electricity and plasma? It seems like you might Well, that's conceivable. But you have to remember I'm an engineer and not a theologian or what-have-you but the thing is I do have this voodoo and I don't play with it. I don't want to talk to spirits as best to stay away from them

56:42 And let the voodoo do its own thing. If you try to get in some kind of communications with these so-called disembodied spirits or entities or whatever, I've had friends...I've warned them not play with this stuff and if they do they end up dead. Jeez! That's a heavy consequence So it is best to stay away from that That's interesting you mentioned the Integratron. Are you talking about George Van Tassel's Integratron that is out here in California? Well it no longer exists, the women and white basically destroyed this system but I was the last engineer to work on that and I had figured out what the first step was And after i got all of the aberrant forces and materials out of the way cleaned up place

57:32 It was kind of a spooky thing, the way the voodoo worked to keep me moving forward. People would show up with important information and equipment and finally after I got rid of all the bikers and the negative element and the drug people that was its own level of voodoo to get that out there without firing a shot. I was left with a heath kit! There were rolls of wire and rolls of metal and everything was there to finish the first stage of the Integratron And so I started implementing that, and that's when the women in white arrived and managed to get the place away from us. They ripped everything out and made it their self-worship temple. So I moved into the property of a deranged World War II vet about 1,000 feet up the road—and

58:25 Together, we built this installation that you saw in my last earthquake presentation. He died before it was finished but it was in the will that I was to continue on and retain the property of course. You know, the curly Q lawyers got in there and voided the will that helped take the place away from me. And oddly enough those women in white worked very very hard to disrupt my work and get me out of they start fires on their property and then claim that I started them. I had squatters to deal with they tried to actually commandeer the place away from me once They were spreading rumors all around town about me how it was going to burn the Integratron down and kill them

59:06 These are some, but they're so sweet and they're so spiritual. And that's the thing about commonweal is it has that golden tongue. Yes and i've actually considered trying to visit the entire time no of course it's been nerf now and it is all new age and it's like what's in a circle and do some singing bowls hit some gongs and listen to the reverberations, what you think the integrity on was like at full functionality what was that so its purpose what could it do well the integrity is an enigma so i can't say with any certainty what.

59:44 you know where how or whatever it could the whole thing could have been a dog and pony show but van tassel and his buddies did get the money to build it apparently Howard Hughes was a major contributor to that project. And its little known that Howard Hughes was kind of another Tesla, and was making things that operated in a way that nobody would even dream of he was one of these rogue geniuses He was a good friend of George Van Tassel, so that provided the funding. I've already given an audio presentation on this about four or five months ago—I don't know what the title is—but in that I get more into the details. You might be able to track down where that's at? I think Aaron can give you the track to it. But allegedly it was an arrangement that was communicated to George Van Tassel and his son-in-law

1:00:43 to rejuvenate humans and reset them biologically so they would live like another lifespan. Basically their body would be revitalized to the point of their birth, and there was two doors at right angles each other you walked in one and walked out on the other through this one quadrant of the Integratron that would rejuvenate you and that was their claim They did get this thing built They had inordinate difficulties with trying to get the electrostatic generator to spin and all these type of things. The engineering was a little beyond their abilities, and then about 10 years into the deal it kind of just became a Space Brothers religion dog-and-pony show — nothing was moving and it just ground to a halt. Van Tassel died in 78 and I got there in 84

1:01:34 Show there was all kinds of abhorrent forces you know crawling all over the place that i had to eradicate before i could start. I dealt with the whole thing just strictly, you know on a scientific basis. I didn't have any beliefs. I was brought around to interview the people that were still survivors and get their story on the thing most of them we know were space brother religion nuts. I wasn't impressed but but i did get little facts here and little facts there kind of like I did with the Alexanderson system in Bolinas until I felt confident that I knew what the operating principles were, and at that point is when all of a sudden everything just kind of miraculously appeared. I looked at it from a different standpoint to me what i saw was a transporter and there would be two of these things one would be let's say on another planet one will be on earth and if you walked into door A on 1 he would walk out of door B on the other

1:02:39 Wow and that kind of fits with the idea that the plans were somewhat communicated by some sort of intelligence, that he couldn't identify. I mean this is the story that i've heard... Well not necessarily! That doesn't prove anything. That just basically says that's Eric's theory and then there was Van Tassels' proposal or what have you that it would do this I have no factual proof that there were ever any aliens or if any of this stuff came from aliens. This whole thing could've been concocted out of the mind of Howard Hughes as a transporter device, as a side hobby you know thing with some nutcases out in the desert that we're good friends to him and let's pull the same stunt like the Air Force did our Area 51. Let's make up a UFO story to cover-up the whole thing when actually it's some kind

1:03:32 material communications device or what have you. There's all kinds of possibilities, but we can't say anything with absolution about what the Integra-Tron was intended to do and what it is. At any rate there is one thing that we can say with absolute certainty these people have made sure will never work again Yes, there's something very important. You got to remember now this these people are commonweal and these are the same people that go everywhere to disrupt my work So what it is? It's kind of a two-part problem situation. One is, the facility that I get as they say is just too nice to have somebody like me in there with transformers and capacitors They'd much rather turn it into their temple The other thing is these people react pathologically to my work and would really like to have me dead I'm the very thing that they're trying to eradicate from this planet Wow wow

1:04:33 Yes it is sad that will never know and i know you are not a huge fan of rampant speculation but this idea of being a transport you could see how some. Other intelligence out there if they had side to the technology they would have to communicate, do the place they might wanna travel to get side be built in that place and i think that is kind of a logical possibility Well, there's another logical possibility. Out there in the national security area on the other side of the fence they want to build something that they can get from Earth to Mars without having to do all this stupid rocket stuff! That's an equally valid possibility. And Howard Hughes had his own landing strip out at so-called Area 51—he had his own building.

1:05:29 Yes it makes you wonder what they're doing in secret but i guess with a better understanding of the true paradigm and which we live the entangled universe to eat there these things seem a little bit more possible anything's possible. Anything is possible if people get together with the intent to produce or invent something that will happen, that's just a fundamental principles of creation the ether allows all possibilities I did a significant, an hour long segment of presentation on music ether and electricity that dealt exactly with that. The ether is all possibilities. Wow! And on the subject of you know music in electricity i wanted to ask you about this flame speaker we talked a little bit last time about how you had said electricity and music are pretty much the same thing and i saw this recent demonstration you gave

1:06:28 This thing called a flame speaker, for the people listening it looks like an antenna that you're playing classical music through and at the top of that you have a flame or what looks like lightning really shooting out of it. It's visually appealing but can you tell us what this is actually demonstrating? Well I was demonstrating that you could use a discharge off of Tesla transformers as speaker That was a very, very undeveloped version. The version that I fully developed in my laboratory at Santa Barbara was enough to frighten people Some people refused actually refuse to believe it even happened they thought they were being hypnotized So right now you know Aaron and I are kind of It's a hard project to get this thing back together again You know ultimately...I still do not have a laboratory To do things so i got lots of junk that I can take apart make things I've go the space

1:07:21 But I don't have any money for a laboratory so. That's kind of slowing things down of where we're going to put this thing together. But there is an intent here and the materials are all basically available to rebuild this flame speaker thing properly so that again it'll become a complete fantastic demonstration or show for, you know...basically it's an entertainment device That's what I'm concentrating on right now is more entertainment devices, because that's all the public is really interested in. But again the digital totalitarianism is gnawing away at that too because once the computer is built into your face you won't be able to experience or see there will no reality anymore so all of this it's going away fast. It's going way faster there'll be no more realities we know none of these things will have any meaning to anybody

1:08:21 So we're at that doorstep now. But I think a stunning enough display, you know will maybe get something else built or what have...I don't know it's beyond me but alls i know now is there are enough parts to start building this thing and there's enough local interest amongst us here in my organization to do these things so..but its a big project I would say probably about two years before it would get revealed because There's so many other things to do that are more important, like trying to get this musical seismograph together. So that something it looks like we can get some money for and put that together and that's the objective quite possibly within a year at all depends how much money if we can find anybody that's capable of working anymore. That's another problem finding common things that are no longer available

1:09:19 all these various impediments but for the most part I have all the components so now it's just mostly a matter of you know facilities construction. So with this superior flame speaker that you had built what was so off-putting to people who experienced it? It was those like you see in the pictures of my earlier Tesla work at the Integratron, you get those geometric discharges You know, they kind of look like trees or roots. So you get one of these things that's about three feet long and its shape is determined by the music and when there's no music it disappears but then you push down on the key and all of a sudden this thing springs out with the musical note and it literally looks alive. Wow! Like an electric cymatics type of thing? Well, it's more plant-like

1:10:15 It has that you know, that dendric pattern like roots and trees and what-have-you but it moves Yeah, but it moves its dynamic. It just doesn't stand still Its dynamic and it takes the form of the music There's another thing that I developed actually I Started I built my first one out of a little black and white TV when I was in junior high school something I called the music television huh? And what you do is you You have a basic processor that, you know phasing and amplitude control and what have you. Take the right left channel when you put it into that then you have the verticals, horizontal and video in the television and you put the signals in there and this is where more of the cymatic stuff we're talking about. You get all these images these closed loop images as a television picture of the music

1:11:13 And I've had incidences again where, you know people will see this thing in the rack You know and i'll put some Bach organ music on or something and all of a sudden this Living thing appears on the screen. And I actually had one woman run in terror out of the room Wow So that's that's another thing That i'm trying to get back together because I want it for myself In my rack of equipment that I have my sound system what's interesting about this thing is um Is if you play like Bach or Handel or even later composers, you know Like Beethoven of what have you? You get this beautiful image But you play this stuff that people listen to now that just like humps and slaps and what-have-you. There's no image Hmm because there's no music all it is is a new age Nazi death march Thundering away at 110 decibels. You will listen to my motorcycle You must man

1:12:14 So, this television or this visual picture of the music... If we were going to revisit the idea of the seismic music that you're gonna create from inside the Earth. Could you get a visual? Could you get visual data from that to see- To map the inside of the Earth? Exactly! Wow, you could! Yeah That would be amazing then we truly know what's inside Well, we'd have A analog of what's inside right like a shadow yeah or next red wow that's impressive to me i would definitely love to see that and with the seismic forecasting

1:12:57 that you're doing, you have the... No more cyphers for forecasting a dead horse. That's the wrong term but what's the proper term for this equipment you have in the mine that's going to be getting the audio? It's called the musical seismograph. Musical seismograph and there is one very lengthy presentation it's actually four presentations in one You know this part of the normal series at Aaron sells That gets into the theory of music it gets into the amplifier theories it gets into the whole carrier telephone concept using frequencies to carry information. The double sideband process,

1:13:36 the servo mechanism, modulators and amplifiers necessary to turn the seismic signals into audio signals but preserve their phase. There's an actual connection to one of the transducers in the mine with the limited test equipment that was available that actually shows the Earth rocking back-and-forth kind of you can barely hear it but it does indicate there are these micro movements of the Earth constantly and it shows that the earth is Swinging one way and then swinging the other way just within that i think it was ninety decibels of amplification the system is supposed to have a hundred thirty decibels of application. So so that's an all inclusive presentation and then there was one done recently which got you tube squashed at,

1:14:24 But I think it's back on. Aaron knows the details because, I don't have any digital so I can't say anything of what is or what ain't other than what people tell me but there was one that for free on YouTube or was...I've been told it's back on and its kind more a synopsis of the longer presentation of what the whole musical seismograph project is all about and how it's basically implemented And with this flame speaker the fidelity is superior than anything else is that right it can be there certain. Restrictions but it can't be much higher fidelity. It's more a system for single instruments rather that sound reproduction device

1:15:09 because there's inherent nonlinearities in the discharge. So, you know if you had a wide spectrum of musical tones that there would be likely intermodulation but for single instruments You know like a keyboard or something like a flute or violin it would it would are you know guitar? You know that your standard, you know guitar music what is left of that today and the musical world, you know in the popular music realm It would be I'm sure there's some rock star that would give anything to have something like that if it could be, you know developed. I bet the entertaining nature of that would be quite profitable for a rock star Well, it would be more than just profitable He would make him singular until somebody else figured out how to build it as yet No one has figured out how to do this without it being all distorted. It's a radio engineering project it's not you know a hobbyist type of thing and an

1:16:07 So you really gotta kinda know about modulation and linearities and all that kind of stuff to really make something that works right. And that's beyond todays technicians, because they don't know these things anymore. That consequently is why the power grid and everything is just going into a giant parasitic oscillation because they don't know and they don't care. So if this musical seismograph project is your focus, how far are we from getting that working and turned into visual data which would be my greatest interest? Is it money? Is it time? What do we need?" Well the money seems to want to present itself but the complication again raises his head as we live in a non-functional totalitarian society and define people

1:16:59 Even perform basic tasks in electronic technology of this type is going to be very difficult So that's what's going to kind of slow it down But but it seems like there's people that want to put this together They're willing a step-by-step To provide the money for each element and they get this thing going and I would say between 15 and 30 months It will be on the internet as Something that you subscribe to where, you know You can plug it into your stereo or whatever and then get the sounds out of the earth both electrical and and you know The mechanical seismic the movements Wow And what could an individual do with that? It would just be nice to listen to. That's all the intent is hmm

1:17:52 And then converting that to visual data once you have that set up is actually kind of easy. Am I right? Well, yeah you have reference tones and then that would operate a seismograph Amazing! Are we talking hundreds of thousands of dollars fifty thousand dollars? About five hundred thousand Five hundred thousand... Yeah, that's no small chunk of change No Wow well another thing i wanted to ask you about in kind of the realm of music or at least AM radio frequency is this section on your website that asks what if you could get electricity from your local am radio station which is a bit of a head scratcher for layman people I'm sure but it goes on to explain that a common misconception is that am radio waves only travel through the air and need to be received from an antenna

1:18:45 But Tesla knew that every AM station is simultaneously transmitting its signal through the ground longitudinally. And that signal does not diminish over distance in the same way, that means receiving longitudinal transmission allows you to have much more energy than can be used to power bulbs or other devices right from the ground and that sounds amazing! Is that true? It's been done i put it out kind of you know as a contest and there is people you don't send me pictures they got little toy motors running in banks of ld soft for their local radio station. Amazing amazing so it is basically up the technology that's in use right now they just ignore that part of it because its to, how to fall well it's not really in use but

1:19:37 Ultimately, the earth part and the atmosphere part can't be separated. The terminology has become popular again called zenith waves. It's kind of a surface wave situation so you can either receive electrostatically like used to be done in car radios Or you can receive electromagnetically, like in the little handheld radios and tabletop radios where there's a little iron rod with wire wrapped around it. Hmm... Or you can receive with a Tesla transformer straight out of the earth! Right and I did see some old black-and-white photos from the documents that Aaron sent me that do show like a tower and then just a light bulb lit up in the dirt

1:20:25 And that's impressive but it's like i demonstrated this with my colorado strings presentation is that when we, we hope the tesla transformer to the earth. The radio station came in about one billion times stronger than it did when the thing wasn't connected to the earth and if we had time to prepare and have a decent ground system, I could've put a speaker on one of those Colorado Spring models and you could hear their AM radio station that was tuned to that specific coil or the coil I should say was tuned to it. It was 840 and it would drive the speaker with no batteries or power supply whatsoever and be loud

1:21:05 But it was that would be too hard at that point. It was too hard to do but I did use a magnetically coupled portable AM radio to show that once that thing was earthed, the station that was non-receivable you know it was down in the mud all of a sudden basically it was to the point where almost overloaded the AM radio so That was a valid demonstration or the principle Now another thing which makes this interesting is let's say Oh, that there's an AM radio station in some state somewhere and you live in another state. And this other state you're too far away or a thousand miles away without special equipment nobody can hear the am radio stations so let's say that you put it at ground system like the ones they have radio station has 120 14 gauge wires

1:21:54 The diameter of the ground disk of these wires is one half wavelength, and then you hook the Tesla transformer to it with its electrostatic mast or whatever. Kind of like an antenna but it's not. Not only will you be able to pick up the radio station loud and clear off the Tesla transformer but all of a sudden everybody in town will be able to pick up the AM radio station loud and clear. I've done this before And so these ground system transmissions as opposed to through the air, that paragraph said that the signal does not diminish over distance in the same way just as you just told us. But today people are worried about the frequencies just coming off our phones. Are there risks or dangers and charging the ground like that? It's a whole different wavelength. There is really very little

1:22:46 Biological interaction because the wavelengths are disproportionate to the size of the human body where with a microwave stuff the wavelength start to become the size of your body or actually started become the size of your organs in your eyes or whatever. So they can they can penetrate electromagnetically where when the wavelengths are, you know 1000 feet long your body really can't intercept these things I used to when I was in high school. I used to connect myself directly to my 3000 watt transmitter and light up 100 watt light bulbs so incandescent bulbs off of my watch band Huh? Wow, I mean Tesla lit himself up like You know he was on fire

1:23:27 Nobody knows how he took it to that level. It didn't cause any physical damage to him, even though I think exposing himself to his cosmic ray beams might have done significant brain damage and might have been part of the problem why he became so senile towards the end of his life. I always wondered if that was just the system kind of discrediting him or if there really was some kind of degrading at the end of his life? Well i mean you know we only can so much right is not the system you'd expect slander on someone like him obviously he wasn't treated very well but but tesla you know there's always two sides to the coin and a tesla would have paid a little more attention for this situation he would add all the money he wanted.

1:24:14 So with the microwaves that you mentioned seems like the big it that we talked about earlier has basically weaponized these same mechanisms that could have been used for good yeah, maybe not out of deliberation but maybe just out of disregard for safety. That's what it is disregard for safety The weaponization is all done on an informational level now. But I can't speak with any absolution on any of that, you know? The microwave hideously disruptive environment we live in Is no good for anybody and you know i maybe that's being done with deliberation to keep people in a state of confusion or sicker we don't know where not you. We're not there but on the other side of the big chain link fence what's going on in those windows buildings right right, add obviously i wanna get too speculative with you but you mentioned that

1:25:12 The sun activity is dead there looks like a possible time frame of ten years before the shit really hits the fan you also have the digitization everything. These things are happening kind of parallel and it does seem like someone in no is setting, setting up a layered disaster scenario and i only would ask Do you think this has ever happened in the past? There was people who talk about different rounds of civilization. Well, what's different now is these techno-queeks with their twisted technology have created a physical body for the biblical beast This is something that has never occurred In human history as far as we know so now it's not they its it

1:26:07 Wow, a physical body for the biblical beast. I mean that is what a lot of occultists or people who study the occult say is the goal for these maniacs and psychopaths and it's actually been completed already? Or its in the process? It's being finalized. Wow! And you think it's through digital technology It's in the digital technology. So at some point it will start perpetuating itself and humans will be its servants, with the humans not really knowing what they're doing so these digital people you know we call them quakes the Silicon Valley crowd and whatever are very twisted individuals because we don't live directly with them or what have you We don't know what goes on behind the doors

1:26:59 But you know with this, with Trump pulling the manhole cover off the sewer pit and all the little bugs and crawlies are just squirming under the ultraviolet light of the sun. We're starting to get a better idea how really weird all this is and sick and disgusting and twisted Yes, I mean Gordy Rhodes Elon Musk. They've used terms like channeling like altar Demon they've used those terms to describe their technology and I can't understand why it seems like a very odd terminology for technocrats Well, let's just take a simple thing you have Apple right? Right we call them crap Oh what is the image the logo of Apple? What is it? It is a bitten apple

1:27:52 What did Eve do she bit the apple the forbidden fruit? There you go. There you go Is that enough to to substantiate intent I would say it's definitely a clue there You go, I mean of all the symbols in the world Why would and then and look at look at the population around you everybody's got a shaved head This skulls all blades all over everything They're all deformed The vehicles they drive looked like maggots and slugs and insects The things are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. They don't fit in parking places anymore, they take up the entire lane of traffic, they got horns on them and lumps... The whole thing's a giant monster! It's in the image of the beast." Wow. I think that most popular image in that whole automobile architecture realm is what I refer to as the Dodge Ram sucker

1:28:51 It's just the epitome of disease and gluttony. And right now that is America's favorite passenger car, they carry nothing. The architectural image of the body is colon cancer it has this sucker on the front of it to display the gluttony and aggression. They Rams head you know the symbol of satanic worship And the people inside look just as cute as the metallic body on the outside. It's the exoskeleton of the people inside Man, and this is all derived from The Big It some negative spiritual force driving where our technology is going a malevolent force mm-hmm basically

1:29:38 How would you say materialized, made into physical form by these individuals that are the technocrats or whatever. The techno fascists? So basically they're creating this demonically driven techno-fascistic society that will make Hitler look like a choir boy. Jeez! Well I would assume there have to be some benevolent forces that could be channeled as well. Conceivably Well, maybe you need to be making more galaxies and light bulbs because we need some help. I don't know! You know at my age i'll all be dead before it goes all the way...I hope anyway. Well maybe other engineers who are seeming to tap into this stuff can- The only thing that can save us now is divine intervention. It's out of human control so remember the story War Of The Worlds? Yes

1:30:39 You know the martians come nothing can stop every attempt fails even a nuclear bomb fails what stopped them not mankind. What's stopped them. Virus right germs right well you know the story of the flood is that man got so corrupted that the environment was so destroyed that it needed to reset Yeah, I mean that's the myth. As things got so perverted and what have you and technologies were forming that were completely antithetical to nature that nature said it was going to hit the stop button and it did. Eventually that will happen again but you can't fight nature

1:31:26 So this is becoming more and more unnatural. It's becoming, you know, more and more self-destructive and predatory and gluttonous... And it's definitely finite but I would give it a hundred years to destroy itself." Well nature already hit the stop button apparently if the sun is dead! It just hasn't reached us yet? Yeah, it hasn't had time to soak in yet Wow, I mean this is just like the deepest depths of the rabbit hole man. This is blowing my mind Well, it's my job. It's also just very depressing but at the same time I don't know Oh yeah it is quite depressing well so something else interesting that Aaron had said to me when we were talking about all this is about the Schumann resonance of course this is what we're told as the natural frequency of the earth 7.83 Hertz but Aaron said based off the seismic research

1:32:23 And some of the stuff you've done, the Schumann resonance may not be what people think it is because the waveguide between the Earth's surface and the ionosphere is too narrow for the 7.83 Hertz meaning that it needs a much wider waveguide that looks like it might go from the ionosphere down to the inner Earth and this is kind of the diagram I've seen before that almost looks like lungs around the outside of the earth going towards the inside What do you make of the Schumann resonance and do you think it, have people been lied to about what it is? Is it a clue to something else?" I think it's a massive misconception but I haven't done experiments on those frequencies so I can't say anything quantitative about it other than from the basic boundary condition standpoint something really doesn't make sense as far as waveguide modes go.

1:33:15 My determination was my system worked from 300 cycles per second to 30 kilocycles a second. The natural response frequency of the Earth to lightning strikes and seismic disruptions and what have you seemed to be more around 18 kilocycles, which kind of struck me because the frequency of the Alexanderson System in Buenos was 18.6 kilocycles But when the Earth gets into a distressed condition, tellerically where earthquakes are imminent that frequency drops down into the voice frequency band. That's part of the forecasting mechanism is once it starts to sound like

1:33:58 you know, people screaming or musical tones or what have you then the seismic event is imminent. I have no theory as to why that is or what-have-you after talking to these government scientists. I have a bit of a better idea but without more extensive study I can't say exactly why this is but from the wavelength standpoint and the Schumann resonance way of looking at things and whatever anybody would say that 18 kilocycles would be impossible Because the wavelength of that is so much smaller than the size of the earth, right? And it just it seems like the frequencies of the natural system if harnessed correctly could be The tools to make a paradise on the earth. Well if that was the motivation Yeah There's an element in the American Indian culture what little you can find that still really American Indian and

1:34:56 that I don't want to get too far into it, but if a certain tone was transmitted into the earth quite possibly it could reset situation. That's the theory we had some visitors while we were working on some lines out in the desert wanted to know what we were doing and all that and I explained to them you know these tones out of the earth and the guys girlfriend was a real Native American not Somebody that genetically native american but was just how we like everybody else she was a real indian and she became all fascinated and said yeah the earth tone in. You know can you transmit their stone into the earth then what have you and i go well that's not really our objective were listening

1:35:44 Maybe for the submarine communications end or what have you. And then I had to kind of stop and think at that point, it's kind of another situation like the Integratron where people show up with some little scrap of information that just...that's it! But I have no intent to steer the course of humanity, that's God's deal, that's not mine. Understood You know, I really had to take a crash course in all this by reading through your 500 plus page theory calculation and operation of the Colorado Springs Tesla transformer. And it was all just super impressive the idea that this oscillating energy would surge through the earth too. I guess every point on the globe

1:36:32 What just mean so much for the world for the third world people in poverty they would have access to things just from the ground that would be quite useful too, maintaining a standard of living that is tolerable. Well let me point out the whole with today's gluttony for electricity and energy the tesla telework transmission system would be an absolute disaster And for that reason, and the fact that now everybody and their brother is building these things. And they're going to create trouble with the FCC and get this outlawed I will present no more information whatsoever on the Tesla system of transmission because I'm cutting my own throat it's gonna interfere with my research

1:37:19 So these idiots, you know they go and they oh I'm gonna build this big spark gap thing And I'm going to try to you know resonate the earth and whatever Well all that's going to do is jam everything out. If you start trying to transmit one gigawatt through the earth for industrial purposes Every seismic fault on the planet is gonna jump and that'll be the end of the Earth Tesla's deal was came from a horse and buggy day where the electrical entire electrical load of household with fifty candle power light bulb, any kind of industrial activity or whatever it was confined to some little town in england are you know some isolated city in the united states not not global network of you know.

1:38:05 of one mega gigawatt of electrical power flow, that would be the end of the Earth as we knew it. And that's the same thing with this tapping the wheel work at the universe or whatever or the natural energy flux of the Earth. As soon as you start doing that on the level of the energy gluttony just like the bandwidth gluttony destroying Bell Telephone and the rest to that, it'll destroy the planet And also as we kind of talked about it seems to be alive or contain life and that's its own thing you probably shouldn't be messing with too much. Yeah, that's another thought. I'm just looking at it from an electrical mechanical standpoint law of reciprocity you know if an earthquake fall produces so much radio frequency energy on a certain set of frequencies and then you put that energy into the earth in that certain set of frequencies what does the law of reciprocity tell you? You're going to have an earthquake Right...I do remember Tesla talking about

1:39:07 be able to basically break apart the earth from oscillation from the compounding signals compounding resonance i don't know the proper term but it is quite scary that power of that technology yeah so its not really it's not applicable and And because this last time around, the last presentation I gave. I see now you know everybody and their brother wants to start doing this stuff they have no regard for frequency allocations you know who they're going to interfere with what services they're gonna disrupt You know, burning out people's computers or interfering with Navy submarine communications. And the same thing is going to happen all over again that happened back in like around 1915 to 1917 when Tesla took the bite

1:39:56 And everybody and their brother was concocting this and that, transmitting an interfering with each other. The Navy was struggling to get a working communication system together. They were getting ripped off by Marconi. They were getting ripped off by DeForest. Tesla wouldn't cooperate or what have you. So what happened is Franklin Delano Roosevelt, when he was assistant secretary of the Navy waited to Secretary Daniels was overseas and He managed to get enacted while Daniels was gone. The complete outlawing Of all forms of radio the cops came took all your equipment took your antennas down and Radio from that point on was illegal for the individual United States until finally that law was really

1:40:42 beaten up bad by David Sarnoff, RCA, Marconi guy and then Marconi. They fought, fought, fought, fought. Marconi started all these radio clubs and Sarnoff used RCA to at least get broadcasting going again and all that. And then finally Herbert Hoover cancelled the act by Roosevelt people were allowed to experiment with radio again, with the proper licenses. Nobody has any regard for proper licenses anymore and we're right back to that state where no one has a clue of what they're doing or what they're interfering with and they could give a damn even if you tell them you're going to be interfering with some important communications. They don't care because it's too abstract. It doesn't appear on their silly phone so it's not real. So what's gonna happen is in about another five or ten years this stuff is going to be outlawed I will no longer contribute anything to it. Fair enough

1:41:34 So in those documents, you do include a Tesla quote that I thought was really interesting. Tesla says, "...I am unwilling to accord to some small-minded and jealous individuals the satisfaction of having thwarted my efforts... These men are nothing more than microbes of a nasty disease." My project was retarded by the laws of nature. The world was not prepared for it. It was too far ahead of its time but the same laws will prevail in the end and make it a triumphal success. Well, when he says that his project was retarded by the laws of nature what do you think he meant by that? Well... It meant something was present that he could not overcome Right! Do you know what that thing might have been? Well, thats the way it is with Tesla Hmm Maybe for the better

1:42:28 Yeah or maybe you know tesla just made it up to irritate the nasty species of microbe could be good. And to talk about another person vilified by the system, let me ask you about Oliver Heaviside. Aaron was telling me that Heaviside's work is super important because it rewrites the very foundation of energy science to the point that everyone is using the term energy incorrectly and there's actually no such thing. You mentioned earlier you were trying to get away from using that term. Can you elaborate on that? I mean, is this just semantics or is this like a really important thing to understand?"

1:43:05 It's very important to understand and that's what I'm presently writing on now. So bits and pieces of it are squeezing their way out on the website, but Heaviside is the one that gave us the whole transmission technology he gave us you know workable Maxwell's equations. The very foundation of engineering mathematics without him there wouldn't have been AT&T there couldn't have been long distance telephone He's the guy. Basically, he was a Prometheus that stole mathematics from the academians and gave it to the common man. And he is universally hated to this day by the academians but if it wasn't for Heaviside we wouldn't have any electrical technology

1:43:49 Hmm. Heaviside is kind of one that I identify with, you know the guy basically had no friends he lived by himself in relative poverty everything he did was thwarted or bad-mouthed or whatever even at his own time allegedly his final days when the relativity theories and all that came out Would no longer talk to anybody moved all the furniture out of his house and move rocks in and sat on them painted his fingernails paint, then he was stoned to death by the neighbor kids. And that's how we died. Yeah but this idea that there is no such thing as energy is because it just so fundamental and so ever present that its like... The dimensions of energy are only kind of a transitory state they're not really what's going on

1:44:39 You have power and then you have the electric induction, the energy is kind of a phantom stepping stone between power which is the process of doing work and the electrical induction which is the substance electricity, the energy stands in between as a transitory phenomena between those two things. Its dimensions are kind of cockeyed. Gotcha So when people...the word energy has whatever meaning you give to it like I don't like his energy well what energy? What does energy mean? Well i don't like it! Well what energy? What energy does he have? Can I pick it up on my voltmeter right

1:45:21 Yeah, that makes sense. That's the whole problem is it's like Faraday cage anything that screens electromagnetism is called the Faraday cage. It's not what a Faraday cage is but don't try to convince anybody another thing is like daylight savings time its 11 o'clock and they're calling at noon well noon is when the sun's highest in the sky and it's not highest in the sky at eleven o'clock you You try to tell that to people, and because the great mouthpiece tells them that noon is at 11 o'clock. Noon is 11 o'clock! And they can't understand it. Then six months later they're told there's a 12 o'clock But they don't care, they don't know the difference. They're just parrots. Right. Just reset the clocks and get a little less sleep before the old nine to five? Yeah I don't use daylight savings time because it throws everything off. For example let's say that i'm out in the field you know in a survey situation and I want to build an antenna that points at Greece okay well the first thing I need to know is where north is well see I have nothing alls I have is me

1:46:27 How am I going to determine where north is if all if I have is we have no test equipment? I have no compass. I've nothing it's easy balls I need Is to take a stick and poke it into the ground and put a little rock Every 30 minutes or 15 minutes, or one minute depending on accuracy I want Where the shadow of that stick goes that will draw hyperbolic curve that has a dip And then at noon That will be the shortest and then you will know where north is. So let's say I have a clock or I got WWV, or something that I know the time of. Now I have an instrument so if it's the right time, if its standard time, and I'm in a certain position in a time zone so I can interpolate because noon might be 1130 on the clock if I am in Nevada, I wait for that time, look at the stick, look at the shadow – that's north

1:47:28 Now if the clock said at daylight savings time that the shadow is going to be porting in the wrong position, I'm not gonna get north. You see kind of see what i'm getting at here? It throws everything off well let's take another example okay I'm listening to a short wave station on the other side of the United States Well their frequency is very critically tied to the position of the sun And all of a sudden they change their programming from real time to what we call mutant time, you know the daylight savings time. They changed their time of transmission Well now you can't pick them up because there's a shift over that hour From where you go from nine mega cycles down To five mega cycles and they're on the wrong side of the shift and then you can't listen to the radio show You want in that hour? It's unnatural

1:48:19 And then the phase glitch of going between mutant time and natural time, well all of a sudden everybody has to lie one way or another. They don't know what's the truth they don't know what the lie is anymore and they're shocked by that transient and now they gotta get up an hour earlier you know The liquor store closes in our earlier or the coffee shop opens up an hour early depending upon which side at the time your on it throws everything off so creates a social disruption I think It's basically, it's deliberate because now daylight savings time is lasting longer than natural time. I think it's part of the covert disruptive process to keep people out of balance and the problem is you know first the lemmings will run one way and then the lemmings will run the other way until finally they're instructed to run off the end of the cliff. Right because we've let artificial systems take precedent over natural ones right hmm sad state of things today

1:49:17 disgusting state of things today. Indeed, and I wonder this is a tangent but i wanted to read another interesting quote from your paper revival of the science of electricity in the digital age because it starts off with In this digital age the theoretical basis provided for electrical engineering has been defiled reduced to an assemblage of delusive denouncements enforced by a cabal of academic theoreticians What gives authoritative force to their dictates is the overtly complex and convoluted mathematics which enshrouds them. This mathematics in turn becomes a rite of passage in teaching and replacing reason an experiment."

1:50:00 Once the idols become digitized, they become law and consequently electricity has become a lost science regulated to the same scrap heap as alchemy. And it is that last line that I'm a bit curious about because in the same way you carry on Tesla's work in the electrical realm, I hear about a lineage of alchemists who say that transmutation is a real thing but it's suppressed. Is that your contention too? Do you think there is something to that realm?" Oh yeah, it's a fact. The human body has the capability of turning like calcium into magnesium and there is no reason not to have transmutation. There are chemical reactions that occur like between aluminum and mercury that there is absolutely no chemical

1:50:47 reason for because there's no valency there, there is no electro potential difference of significance yet mercury and aluminum will violently destroy the aluminum without harming the mercury. There is no chemical process yet the aluminum just obliterates that's alchemical. Wow! What what what's the catalyst that causes alchemical reactions? Well I don't know So a lot of what in that particular paper that I wrote most of it was quotes from famous people Mm-hmm, and there's two books that I recommend the people get. The author is dr Gustav Le Bon L e bon l e b o n once called The Evolution Of Force And the other one is called The Evolution Of Matter. I'm writing that down right now

1:51:44 Because I want to know more about this particular realm, but it's just so sparse. It's even harder to get a handle on than the true electrical field Yeah because it was been suppressed longer. I mean Isaac Newton wasn't an avid alchemist I'm surprised he didn't die of mercury poisoning But that might have been you know like chemotherapy that saved him from the plague Wow All of his papers on alchemy are stuffed in some bunker somewhere and no one's allowed to see them because it's an absolute embarrassment to the Einsteinian physicists, and the rest of them because they like to portray Newton as a mechanist. He wasn't.

1:52:24 Right man, I definitely knew he had a large alchemical library But I didn't know if that was just because it was a fringe interest of his or if there was something to It wasn't a library. It's his own work The guy was an alchemist hmm And and it was it was not to change lead in the gold or any you know these things were told today? it was too basically they were searching for some kind of ultimate solvent and mercury seemed to Present to them what they were after so that's why they work with mercury so much Right, which can be quite dangerous right and it's also Another lost thing is is all of the elemental substances on earth React to cosmic influences So they might crystallize one day different than they will another day because a planetary alignment. I've actually witnessed myself

1:53:18 that it is damn near impossible to have a successful solder joint when there's a conjunctive planetary alignment between the Sun, the Earth and Saturn. Really? Yep! I discovered that in my research at Sonoma State College there in north of San Francisco That's where I was doing all my study of the interaction of planetary configurations with the electrical environment on Earth and how it affected radio communications. It was an RCA research theme that a guy named Nelson, with my RCA contacts and laboratory equipment, what have you...I decided to duplicate all that because in 1980 all of the planets lined up on October 13th

1:54:06 And there were several subsidiary alignments in that interval and I had the big RCA receivers, transcontinental RCA receivers to do the study with. And I learned an awful lot about that interaction between the weather and solar activity and planetary activity. There's actually a book written called The Jupiter Effect That got into the whole it was a doomsday you know because that's what the public wants other than you know, the end of the world didn't occur. A lot of major disruption to power grids and you know mount saint helens blue And other things did happen. The gold prices shot up from the normal baseline to, you know, $30-40 an ounce up to $900 an ounce and it was...the radio effects were indescribable and other, you know, the effects on music and it really demonstrated that this whole electrical environment we live in has profound physical effects and effects on our own psychology

1:55:09 So we're in the opposite mode now where the sun is just dead. Yikes, well I don't know if you would agree with them but i have interviewed people who seem to think that Saturn's frequency is synergistic with say the maneuverable it that you mentioned earlier Well, I think that's an astrological concept. Saturn alignment — if you're not feral and emancipated from human dismalities then you have to wait in that stuff — Saturn will cause a lot of problems. And also equipment failures and things like that they also tend to kind

1:55:50 Become more prominent around certain planetary alignment. So Saturn is a rather malevolent influence from the astrological standpoint Right, right That's kind of what I'm getting at It seems like the big cabal even seems to kind of like that energy they or it Rather might be you know putting that in their engineering formula? We don't know we can only speculate and I don't like speculating. You can do that forever, but I'm an engineer. Right! An engineer has done some pretty amazing things and one other thing about Tesla is we hear a lot about Tesla and the 1893 World's Fair did he demonstrate this wireless electricity there successfully?

1:56:39 I'm not certain, but that was kind of before he had developed the wireless transmission process. So he would be showing more of the vacuum tube stuff and you know illumination rather than... And of course his polyphase system that was the star of the whole exposition was this polyphase system Right on right on and then there was the tower with the wall door of our warden cliff wardenclyffe tower in new york was that a better demonstration of this technology. That's an enigma another one of those unable to explain what the current models things it's a complete enigma

1:57:17 So, allegedly the system operated. There's eyewitness accounts of phenomenal electrical events yet you look at the pictures you can see no evidence of transformer coils or it's a complete enigma and because it's a complete enigma everything that people say about it is wrong. Everything! Everybody Just speculation. So when somebody says, oh I'm rebuilding the Wardenclyffe thing and I'm going to do this or that or somebody says Tesla was doing this at Wardencliffe just disregard it nobody knows. I was gonna attempt a duplication but at this point i have no further...at least in the public level I have no further output on this subject

1:58:03 Hmm. Well, it seems like someone like you would have been very much at home at the World's Fair before they dismantled it probably because too many of these discoveries and bright minds were gathering and showing off their work in a way that wasn't compatible with the system Well was compatible with the system then not compatible with where the cabal wanted to take us well They got what they wanted out of it as They often do yeah Man well there is just so much impressive material so many projects you've worked on i got a let's go eventually we should probably take some time to give people all the right information about following up on your work purchasing your presentations and donating to the non-profit that fuels the work what should people know. Well i that's kind of more errands level you know there's the website in the website will lead you to the you know the proper channels too,

1:59:00 The donations mainly like i say that they pay the electrical bill you know that the bills for the building. Add getting the work published that get my stuff published is very expensive and very difficult and ask kind of what i'm interested now if some kind a major donor or plurality of donations came in To help get the stuff because I literally have thousands and thousands pages of finished material. There's just no way to get this stuff out I'm about ready just to take the whole lot of it to the dump Oh, No you can't do that Well, I got a guy don't have room You know, I gotta start getting rid of some of this stuff if it's not going anywhere. I Gotta take it to the dump. Oh, I got a garage let's call that your dumb

1:59:44 No but aaron is just been really great previous guest of ours the audience would know him and he's definitely facilitate our two conversations but it seems like he's really trying to help create a structure that can support the work that you're doing because that's not your department. Right, right and the information he gave me ericpdollard.com is the website We know that Aaron is doing his annual energy science and technology conferences And your demonstrations and presentations are a big part of that and people can buy those online at emediapress.com and not only learn a lot but also help to support the work

2:00:27 Yeah, it's the addresses or whatever are there and then of course there is all kinds of material to look at. People can donate at erikpdollar.com directly to the EDP Labs which is a legal... EPD, Echo Papa Delta Yes sorry your initials of course directly to the EPD labs which is a legal non-profit so it has tax deductible donations if anybody hip to that game, and it will further fund the research into the electrical science. And you know everybody'll be happy so right on this has been a real honor and a pleasure seems like you've got a lot more stability and recognition at least since we last talked four years ago and that's a beautiful thing but there is clearly more work to do well there's plenty

2:01:16 Well, I look forward to hearing more in the future and good luck with the music seismograph project. That sounds exciting! Yeah i'll need it It's alive dear people it's alive wow I honestly have not had something blow me away like this in a while, and i don't want to sound like some overactive hype man but this part about the cosmic induction generator is so insane. It really does look like Eric is doing something to form a small galaxy in a bulb emerging out of the ether

2:02:00 Maybe I don't know what i'm looking at, but it jives with so many other things like the fractal nature of reality. The mysterious qualities of plasma and to me most interestingly this odd connection between plasma ether physics electricity And some sort of non-human entities Many scientists who work in these realms have talked about high strangeness In the past, science alchemy and magic were often studied by the same people it seems to me. And when these current tech elite use terms like altar and summoning the demon there's a reason for that I guess you should see the pictures i will obviously include a link in the show notes but even the skinwalker ranch stuff the bigelow aerospace stuff

2:02:54 Weird paranormal activity seems very intertwined with electrical or computer science, and maybe it is partly that Stargate kind of idea. If you have the technology to create portals to another world but you can't physically get to that other world You beam messages and try to invoke someone to build it on their end! You need the A side AND the B side And if you can get there through physical means, then what do you need that technology for? I don't know. I'm going way off track here i guess and there was just a lot to like about this but that stuck out as the wildest stuff I've seen in awhile

2:03:37 I'm just a big Eric Dollard fan and i was happy to see that i could get him even laughing a couple of times. That's a notch in my belt that i'm happy to have he's such a serious guy who has been fucked around a lot, he sees a ton of problems and he does not suffer fools very well which means i gotta put a lot of work in just to get through two hours And again i'm thankful for Aaron giving me the assist on this one because it really would have been tough without him But another thing I like about Eric is that he's a purist. He lives and breathes his work, and if it's outside of that scope he's just not interested! He's not going to see the new Joker movie. He's not watching The Boys or The Umbrella Academy. You don't have no Netflix subscription! He doesn't care about the political impeachment circus

2:04:30 And he doesn't even take the softball pitch question of how can people support your work. It's like, well I don't know ask Aaron about that! You want to talk about Earth stereos and flame speakers? I can talk about that inside and out but donations...support....I don't know talk to Aaron. I understand he is just genuine you know i like that about him. This is why him and Aaron make such a fantastic team Eric needs an Aaron and Aaron needs an Eric And they're both noble guys trying their best at resurrecting the right understanding of these suppressed sciences and how they can be used. Even though I think Eric might say that the masses don't even deserve it, which i also think might be true too

2:05:21 And I really hope you liked this one because i've been talking more and more to Aaron about keeping these kind of guests in our rotation. I think I have three or four more shows on the books that have come from Aaron at this point, so we're gonna see what happens! I know at least one is speaking English as a second language and doesn't do a lot of interviews but that's what keeps me on my toes...I like a challenge Anyone can say, ladies and gentlemen here's David Icke. And then sit there for 20 minutes you know? But a major reason i had this inclination to go harder at these subjects in particular is partly because of this military-centric disclosure rollout. You might be stuck in traffic on your way to work thinking what is he talking about how is this connected

2:06:12 But then you see Jeremy Corbell handling another disclosure mouthpiece on Joe Rogan, and my first thought is... You know. A general fuck this! The non-human intelligence topic is way deeper than a few military men seeing a couple of crafts here and there I don't like that it seems as if the whole question of are they or aren't they hinges on that sort of thing but how do I do that show? You know, comb the archive and you'll hear little comments about who or what I think is legit and what's bullshit. But it's not really my style to dedicate a show to tearing something like that down because i don't have any insider information. I don't like to be that arrogant but I don't want to be silent or actively participate in a fake disclosure either so I just think what's a better way to wade into the deep and strange waters of aliens entities whatever you want to say

2:07:09 And to me, it's this sort of suppressed science stuff. Not because it's about non-human intelligences directly but you have to lay an ether physics entangled fractal universe animist model base To open up that alien dialogue to the more complex reality Because what's being presented is kind of trash When we talked to Nassim Harriman, he seemed to have an excellent grasp on what's under the hood of reality. And he also told us that he has talked to something non-physical Dr Jack Hunter the anthropologist told us many compelling stories about indigenous people and their spirit contact I don't know if this is making sense but i guess rather than participate in Hey General tell us about that floating metal cigar you saw

2:08:01 I would rather go in this direction, because if you're participating in consensus reality and this materialist model then you are not ready for aliens. Because it's about much more than some cosmic Christopher Columbus discovering this new world, ya know? But that's all just sorta to tell you where my head is at lately and why I wanna hit this area a bit harder in the face of what I'm seeing out there And you really should see some of Eric's demonstrations. The flame speaker is pretty damn cool! I'm excited for his Earth stereo as well, and i mentally prepared for some major electrical grid outage because i think he explains how it's designed to be unnecessarily vulnerable quite well and the icing on the cake is that the sun is dead...I don't know how dead is dead but it's a precarious decade we're in to say the least

2:08:58 But this is all getting away from me. I really should point out that it's important to support the work you want to see grow and flourish Sure, that can mean THC but it really means Eric and Aaron's work Aaron has this conference where you can go and see a lot of these people And what they're working on? I very much want to go next year E-mediapress.com is the website Go poke around! Also ericpdollared.com He's got a PayPal donation link on the right hand side They set this up as a non-profit. You think that's easy? God, I can't even get my driver's license renewed! All this logistical shit... it really is a nightmare so kudos to them just for even getting that structure set up and look at the links we got in the show notes for some good follow-up stuff of course i know every guest is looking for some sort of promotion or support books to buy and all that and then on top of it i'm telling you to sign up for plus

2:10:00 It's a lot. You're just like, can I listen to something for Christ sake? I understand but Eric is the man on the ground trying to find creative ways to get people to care about this alternative paradigm and the model of reality that the digital demon cult has hidden away most guests i interview are more scholarly or journalistic but eric is the guy getting his hands dirty every day Do you want to support the guy who wrote the manual for your car, or do you want to support the guy who can fix every damn piece of it and make it better? And he's not a young man. The sun is already dead! He's salty and cynical... I absolutely understand why. Let's try to encourage him to stay at it and let him know there are people out there that DO care.

2:10:50 I mentioned last week that i was getting a bit of burnout and fatigue, and i got a huge outpouring of support. And new plus members! And i really do appreciate that. I wish i could just make that happen for a guy like Eric who does more than just talking to a microphone. When i say burnout by the way some people actually were like no don't quit And well, that's a silly idea. I can't quit! This is my job... hopefully until i die. I'm pretty much banned from the workforce at this point but we all have ups and downs frustrating and overwhelming periods of work followed hopefully by some smooth sailing right? So it's all good

2:11:35 But check out more from Eric. Check out more from Aaron! Challenge yourself to understand this stuff and go through that re-education process until you get it, so that you can be an advocate Also sign up for PLUS I guess...I don't know I do just want to throw in the plus content that we got into today because it is part of the wrap-up process. But we talked about George Van Tassel's Integratron, Eric was the last engineer to work on that before it was taken over That was something I don't think I knew We got more into their relationship between music and electricity And Eric's flame speaker! We talked about mapping the inner earth with the musical seismograph

2:12:19 getting power from a radio transmission, making a physical body for the biblical beast? The Schumann resonance?! Oliver Heaviside's work, how society keeps us out of balance. The realness of alchemy as a suppressed science Isaac Newton the Alchemist and how elemental substances react to planetary forces God that was interesting we talked so much about astrology and How the energies of the planets affect us and affect human beings but apparently they affect all kinds of material

2:12:57 Eric even said that under some certain space weather conditions, he can't even get a good weld. What's going on? So a lot of amazing and unique stuff Get the extra hour of all my shows at the higher side chats calm blah blah blah But also the joint session this month will be on the 25th our last two have been pretty barren because of another YouTube banning But whatever, we do what we can. It's not a real banning they just take away the ability for me to live stream every once in awhile it hurts because there are tens of thousands of YouTube subscribers and when someone they subscribe to goes live it's very obvious in their feed so they hop on And without that We're dealing with a dozen people that actually show up on the 25th at 7 p.m So think about it

2:13:53 There will be other baseball games, guys. And there will be other joint sessions too yeah but you know what I mean so try to show up just so we aren't so badly affected by that YouTube issue and i'll see you then your move ether excluders digital demon cult members and acolytes of the big it your fucking move this is important hear what i said I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia, not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while I still can To ask you cuz' I know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo?

2:15:00 Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- can't you just admit, We're screwed. I'm gonna tell us anyway It's a scary world Scary okay Can't you see You sit and wish but we don't have a choice Seems were stuck here But you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that altar End up your magic game

2:15:49 I listen to THC, you know You go with the ed tees If you ever see FO Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our c- Can't you just admit we're screwed? It's okay, ay-ay Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu?

2:17:25 Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's hysteria and spooking Ooh, eh-eh-eh Can't you see that we're