Frater X | The Illuminati Hijack of History, Consciousness, & Freemasonry

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hello again, Ironside Chatters! Say it with me now. Drinkin' a little drink...smokin' a little smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and I hope you're all tearing it up out there fighting for your piece of the crag

00:45 Man, today's show is one I've been holding onto for a few weeks because the last couple were more about things in the current news cycle. Whereas this one is more about the war on human consciousness, the spiritual parasites of humanity, the hijacking of Freemasonry and ever-present manipulation of history, modern culture and everything in between Although I did bring up Ferguson and police brutality, but then again just because it's out of the current news cycle doesn't really mean the problems with police are any better. And that said it is also good to have a friend on as guest. Frederx is one of those guys I've gotten to know really well in the old conspiracy circle

01:23 I know i'm better off for it, and you guys are too. So let's just dive into the mysteries of masonry, the secret war within it, the parasite that is sucking energy out of the path of enlightenment, giants, nephilim, archons magic and more with the best of the best, Prater X. The higher side cap Is where its at Things you need to know From corruption To UFOs Sure to grab Alright folks, as we walk this winding road of reality and try to penetrate the global enchantment laid upon the population by the shadowy sorcerers of the power pyramid. We know our puzzle is far from complete and gather up more pieces we rely on examining connections of these major groups

02:19 As well as looking into the rare pockets of time where truth has surfaced unexpectedly. And lucky for us, today's guest is a good friend of mine with the natural tendency to unearth these very valuable fragments of The Big Bamboozle and that is what we're talking about today! His name is Frater X, lecturer of Esoteric Philosophies, Occult Sciences and Mystery Traditions He's been a member of over nine different esoteric orders, and he has written a brand new book hot off the presses called The Secret War Inside Freemasonry. You know him! You love him! Fredericks welcome back to THC. Thank you Greg it is great to be back I'm just really excited about our conversation today and looking forward to it all day and last night

02:58 It amazes me how long it's been since the last we spoke. I mean, of course we've had our conversations in the ethosphere out there back and forth but it has been a while since our last official conversation so I'm really excited to catch up! Yeah man yeah The last show he did was great We also had a great time at the ParanoiaCon last year Checked out the local Scottish Rite Centre I also smoked a few bowls backstage with Jan Ervin before our big on-air blow up. Yeah, I actually have all that on audio too you know to go through someday It's weird how things turn out but this should be a lot less hostile show i think and uh... I'm pumped to have here man! I love the book I think it clarifies a lot of the confusion people have because

03:42 Even on this show, one week I'll interview a guy who is dead set on the idea that the Freemasons are the most evil organization on earth. And then next week I'll interview a guy who's been a Mason for 20 years and is more about sharing sacred geometry and ushering in enlightenment so it can get a little unclear on who we can trust and who we can't when it comes to these secret societies you know? Nailing down that aspect is a big part of it and that's also a big part your book wouldn't you say? Absolutely! You know... It was all- Of course my own personal voyage in the journey, the experience I tried to chronicle as best as possible and be as objective as you can. As a human being having emotions invested in your endeavors it was always an experience that required great sacrifice of money and time and having a family and being committed to these lodges on one side but

04:32 At the same time, you know trying to gain understanding of the myths and misconceptions woven into Serious accounts and what was at the bottom of all this yeah man it turned out great I think it's very clear when you get done with the book who you should be looking at who you should be pointing the finger at as a sketchy organization But you know I did mention. You've been in nine esoteric orders and sometimes people get sketched out on that. I've had people in the comment section of given episodes be like, you know, I only had to get halfway through your introduction to know that I couldn't trust this guy and I don't want that to happen to you my man so at The Paranoia Con you disavowed your membership to these organizations why was that something you felt like he needed to do?

05:17 Well, as you've pointed out it is a very big knee-jerk reaction from a lot of people in the quote unquote truther community or those who would know the truth about these things and they everyone when they hear wow You were associated with all these orders. That's such a deep commitment to this thing how can we trust your you know your integrity or your authenticity with what you have to say and But I just remind everybody that I started out as one of those people who was skeptical and somebody who Was questioning everything and coming at it from a negative point of view based on all the negative press That's easily harvested from any casual web search online, and I don't know about you Greg but I'm sure you and many of your listeners would agree with me here that if

06:03 What you get from the mainstream is oftentimes just misconceptions and misinformation and disinformation mixed in with truth, mixed in with real accounts. And what I found is, well, I needed to know. I did all that research and found too many conflicting ideas, too much crossover stories of high virtues and great achievements and ideas of the best humanity had to offer versus these dark occulted mystics doing satanic rituals or riding goats and killing babies or something like this crazy talk

06:39 And somewhere in the middle is the reality. I was so fascinated and fixated before I finally realized, I discovered in my own family history there was a long line of people who had already been associated with these initiatory rights And in this conversation, we might get into a little bit of that metaphysical reality and whether there's any truth to the idea that there is a destiny that's in the genes or in the bloodline. You know? That person might be drawn and called to a thing on a metaphysical level, on a transcendental level that would cross over many lifetimes. Is there any truth to that? Could a person actually make contact with that in their own consciousness?

07:17 And then this is something that I don't get a lot into in the book. I do kind of allude to that a bit because I do mention my family history, but in reality it kinda seems that there might be some truth to that. Of course you combine that with the idea that there may be this universal social mind control program going on where the government and league with many think tanks like the Rand Corporation or the SRI are involved in impregnating or imprinting us all through collective telecommunications and media with the ideas of Masonic symbols and Egyptian iconography. And so maybe it was all contrived back in the 70s when I was a little boy, you know watching television and listening to rock n' roll. Who knows right?

08:01 But in the end, I had to know. I had to understand Greg and that's why I had to go in there and I had to be...I had allow myself to be initiated into these orders and I reasoned it a couple of ways Once I found out that I had this family history, I thought to myself it's almost like destiny to go through an initiatory experience in some way in my lifetime. To kind of link me up with what they call the brotherhood or the mystic tie this intergenerational connection with others and there are many great thinkers in Western civilization who claimed that they were also initiates in the mysteries And that is what Freemasonry and these other western

08:40 orders in america and in the british isles that was what they claim to be as a ancient light modern times. Yeah man I get it like I have nothing wrong with that exploration I find it to be just a body of knowledge and when you have that knowledge you can use it to enslave or you can use it to enjoy your life and kinda take the reins of your own universe and, thats a noble thing But I did want to talk to you a little bit about your personal experiences as a Mason. We did talk about this in person, and I even filmed a little bit of you talking about it but i couldn't use because the fans in the room were too loud but have had a few experiences with police that at work where you just average Joe you might have gotten ticket or even been taken jail but because you're part of the club that didn't happen right yeah absolutely

09:28 You see, you want me to tell one of those stories? Is that what you're saying? Please. Yeah yeah let people get jealous! Okay well here's one the first time I ever really experienced that sort of like cronyism or nepotism or whatever you want to call it and being somebody as a working class person in life you know i always struggled in America with like having ID and cashing paychecks and getting... you know what I mean? Getting the money on payday so you can go buy stuff you wanna buy right And you always like you don't have the proper ID or you have to have three forms of ID Or you'll have a bank account here, so we're gonna charge you We're not even gonna let your cash in all the crazy things that go through So I've been through all those two right and then I joined a lodge in this local city in the Midwest and I find myself on A Friday afternoon at almost five o'clock across town from my house without my wallet. I don't have any idea But I have a paycheck

10:18 And I don't want the whole paycheck. I just need like 50 bucks, you know what I mean? To put gas in the car and get a six pack of beer or whatever and go back to the house but I won't make it in time to get that wallet, to get to the bank, to get the money in the bank and get them to give me back the 50 bucks so I go into a local branch where I am aware that the president of this bank in this city is a Brother Mason. He happens to be the master of The Lodge, where I'm in and I'm in line and we were just sitting on the other side of town last Sunday rehearsing the ritual for The Lodge so I know this guy's name and I walk in and go up to the teller So I have a payroll check with no ID And I'm walking off the street and I walk into this young kid, college age

11:04 Look, I don't have any ID. I need to deposit this check and I need $50 back and I don't have any ID but... ...I am in close associate of the president at the bank so I'm hoping that you guys will be able work for me And I do have a bank account here and can tell my name and social security number all that stuff And the old gentleman standing behind the teller heard me say, I'm a close associate of the president of the bank. And he goes really how are you associated? And I said well I sit in Lodge blank and with him on the line and he goes really He reaches around the corner and gives me the secret handshake and says I'm from lodge so-and-so How can I help your brother? And I walked out of there with $50 in my deposited check

11:43 a slip for the check. So I could have been somebody that, you know completely lying he didn't verify any of that i could have stolen that check walked in there said I was that person if I knew the secret handshake said what I said and walked out with $50 you know we're off the street I got away with that I find that amazing, man. It's something that people need to realize that the rules are only applicable to those who aren't in a club and we don't need to get into all of these experiences but there are a couple with police you've been pulled over without a license give them hand signals show them your badge and you're good to go That is kind of the angle i really got thinking about this morning because i see alot of people the big thing going on right now alot of ppl talking about Ferguson and Police Brutality

12:27 But people are kind of missing the mark if they don't experience it in their own life that they don't realize police and the system, banking system is also very entangled with all this. They don't treat people equally. You know, if you're a member of that same lodge then you get special privileges, you get a free pass and even just being white does offer its advantages and it makes me so mad to hear people spouting off online with things like well I don't see a problem the police always treat me fine Well not everyone experiences the same reality bro So maybe you should just stay out of this one because isn't your fight? I think those examples and having the privilege in masonry also just goes to show there are layers to how the system is going to treat you. And if you are black, you might be on one of those lower rungs and yeah, I'd be upset too. Absolutely! We live in a stratosphere society. It is a class system. I was raised to believe that it was a classless society but that's a false premise. That we live in a class system where clearly there's castes that are set

13:27 And I grew up in a small town in New England where they had a Golden Circle. That's what they called it, just like the Knights of the Golden Circle that we talk about and I had never heard of the Knights of the Golden Circle when I already knew about the Golden Circle in my hometown and its the fact that these same-that same town were you talking about getting pulled over? I mean, I live in a town where quarter or third of the police department were Brother Masons in the line so some of them I outranked in The Lodge and yet their officers on the force pulling me over So see there's a little conflict of interest there, right? And I would get away with things because of that and other people were even worse. People could drive by a policeman wearing just a bathrobe and no shoes flying 100 miles per hour if he was in that golden circle they'd motion to him to slow down as he went by. There would be no ticket, there wouldn't be any shakedowns, there wouldn't be racial profiling, there won't be brutalization, there will not violation of civil rights whatsoever

14:21 Mm-hmm, and that's what we're that's where you're that's what you're addressing and it is connected to this whole thing You know the way We started this conversation talking about this book I released And one of the chapters in the book is a secret war on human consciousness. And what we know Is that we have architects of our paradigm they're controlling The police are a brutal priesthood That reinforces the paradigm with the whip and the stick These are the ones that last. This is where the rubber meets the road, literally and if you are out of line they will knock you back into lining You know people think that I love...I had this same conversation just talking about debating with people who try to dismiss it as well i'm glad the police are out there If you aren't doing anything wrong then you got nothing to fear Well what about the falsely accused? And what about the racially profiled? Oh the justice system is blah blah blah No its not The justice system is corrupt

15:13 And we live in a society where you can buy it without OJ proof that, you know? You can get away with murder. This is just one high profile case in a situation where we know on the local level people violate other people all the time and many various ways their rights and their person and get away with it because they're privileged You know, like the various dark cases of the Kennedys or any other dynastic family that's afflicted themselves upon the American culture. And they've left victims in their wake because they're rich and privileged. This is the culture we live in and I grew up in that little town where it was a resort town so there was high class, high caliber people who had huge houses on the water Johnny Depp has got a house at my hometown

16:01 And so this is the scene that I grew up in where you had people who were working class folk right next to people who drove, the kids drove Mercedes to high school and they drove Bentleys. You know? And these are teenagers and they had credit cards and stuff. They had more nicer clothes than the parents of the working class kids. So there's also a high rate of suicide in this town Because that secret war on human consciousness is convincing everyone to be rich, to be wealthy and to buy all the products. That's really the goal right? I mean that's really enlightenment in America! That's the enlightened state isn't it?!

16:42 That's the human excelsior, you know homo excelsius state is to be successful and rich and have all the trappings. But in the end we know that can't be satisfying because we hear all the cases of people who take their lives who have everything perceived I have a friend who inherited millions of dollars when he was 16 years old He killed himself when he was 29 You know? I mean 13 year later so... He had everything! He killed himself in his Maserati You know? So this is the world that anyone you hear about the Heath Ledgers or the Chris Farley's, or any other number of celebrities. The Robin Williams who have everything and it really doesn't pay off because the bottom line to what they're selling that myth of progress is shallow isn't it? Right yeah they got us chasing a false enlightenment

17:37 Yeah, and we're all those of us who drink the Kool-Aid and buy into that who give ourselves willingly over to that pursuit of materialism. That so called pursuit of happiness that's talked about in there in the sacred papers of America right? Well when we give into that I think a lot of times we are disappointed which is why In The End We want to cultivate some sort of richer inner experience And this is what we talked about, you know also amidst all the other that the conspiracy con at the paranoia con throwing ideas around about The Dark Cult of Mystics. We also talked about the hope of enlightenment and the true idea of non-compliance right Greg? Of writing this book I am in my own way a revolutionary because I put forth an experience where I infiltrated these lodges. I went in there and I learned their secrets

18:31 And I come to everyone right now today and I say guess what two things number one the guys inside the lodge barely know what they have They barely understand anything number one and number two. They don't corner the market on enlightenment guys What they've what you think? They possess You already possessed just like all of us is just unrealized potential within us all Amen, man. Well said and I love that the term midlife crisis because to me That's just when you finally wake up You know you don't get to go back in time and get your your life back But you realize that you're three-fourths of the way through the race And you don't even want to keep running you know that's what the midlife crisis really signifies to me absolutely

19:12 Even calling the police a brutal priesthood. I love it and Being my Masonic Authority, I had to ask you about this because I saw this online You know a lot of people with this no not to harp on this Ferguson thing but a lot of people are saying the elite are trying to usher in this race war perhaps and That well in fact may be true. I'm not sure but, and also not sure if you saw this but my man Isaac Weishaupt who's been on the show before from illuminatiwatcher.com he posted a piece about how this hands up don't shoot hand sign actually has its roots in masonry apparently it's called the grand hailing sign of distress and the fact that this is now coming up in a different way it's kinda weird it might be a nod to some other powerful people that shows that it is being manufactured perhaps

19:57 Absolutely, the grand hailing sign of distress. Basically it is the hands up don't shoot sign but it's a three stage descent from that point so you put your hands at your side you raise them up and then they say oh Lord God is there no hope for the widow's son? And as you say those words you lower your hands in two stages to the middle and then down to your sides So that's the sign that Joseph Smith supposedly gave before they mowed him down with rifles. And he jumped out the second floor of the Carthage courthouse to his death, along with his brother Hiram

20:32 So this is, you know they say that there was Masonic rings wielding the fingers of the triggers of those rifles. You know? But yeah right! This is a grand hailing sign of distress it's like a gang sign you'd throw down at that checkpoint if you're trying to escape from some social upheaval or whatever Or your being intercepted by law enforcement official or other military official because don't forget many many military people are personnel are also brother masons or and there's a you know, this female orders to there's co-masonry which accepts women. And then there's the sub orders the subordinate orders to Freemasonry that have women the Job's daughters in the Order of the Eastern Star but we I wanted to get back to one of the questions i don't think i answered The second part of it and the reason why i felt the need to expose the secrets of freemasonry because and i just mentioned women you know that's one of the reasons is

21:27 Because women are excluded from Freemasonry as if there's some this archaic patriarchal idea that women don't deserve the light of Freemasonry. For some reason they're subordinate or undeserving and that's so Victorian and older, and so outdated that it really begs to be pointed at and derided, I think. And criticized as an approach that needs to be let go of it doesn't really hold water that idea but the second reason is because Freemasonry came forth as this light to man right? We're bringing forth these ideas the lights or the mysteries of ancient times and i really feel like in human society especially here in America and also on the British Isles

22:16 that Freemasonry has failed to bring that light. That it's actually instead contributed to the darkness and has brought about the chaos, but then it will then bring forth some false order that's contrived and designed to control us all Yeah, man. And that is a big revelation that came out in your book I mean a lot of people might have that impression but to actually have been on the inside You know it's a more respectable opinion and more educated opinion and to get into the details Of kind of the overarching theme of the book when you do unravel all this tangled up information On masonry and you see these connections and you separate the true history from what some of these groups are doing they're trying to manufacture backdate history for their own purposes

22:59 When you look at all this who do you see as the major troublemakers in this saga? Okay. Well there is in fact a group of individuals that we knowingly refer to as the Illuminati. But this is not how they would label themselves, and this is not how they were labeled officially in their whatever organizations they would find themselves in but for the sake of discussion and for the sake of giving people an idea what we're talking about there is an illuminate-like

23:36 organism that has traveled down riding sidecar along with human history. You know, and it all goes back to a time probably the early days after a great cataclysm and I broke this down in other works besides this book. I've talked about it you know the idea that in the last days of the flood they know the waters receded in the wet mud still stand stood on the lands who would be you know the most important people to know if not the builders and architects right the people who could rebuild their guys you want around so there are tools became an integral part of the allegories all those these secret societies for a reason

24:18 And they drew upon these traditions because a lot of these orders also drew their traditions from the ancient Roman commons scene guilds. The comma seen guilds were the cathedral builders, the early cathedral builders and the great architects of ancient times and they had hermetics does that the science of the occult forbidden arts woven into there you know? at the root of all these orders. You know, at the basis of it all you have this need to keep things in symmetry. This idea of reflecting the divine and then the idea of attracting excellence It's all woven into a myth that's dangled like a carrot to every man who walks through the door of a lodge

25:06 And behind it are these orders. And so you ask, who? Who is it? Well I can tell you from in my book, I speak a lot in the histories Freemasonry ancient craft masonries as we understand it is born in the British Isles In the early 1700s Equally migrates to the continent when i'm ready to the continent it explodes like an infection becomes. Amazing phenomenon of what they call that generation of multi degrees, that basically turn into, well an average French or German itinerant mason. A man traveling from village to village if he had a trade or if he was just a shiftless wanderer whatever you know? He could travel from town to town and show up in a local lodge if he was already a brother mason in the first three degrees. He could bring these extra numerary degrees with him and sell them, peddle them to other masons in the lodge

26:04 So, he would basically sell them pieces of paper with fancy seals on them and archaic symbols and words. And teach him a few secret handshakes and give him some pseudo history and a secret word. Then they'd pay him like a couple bucks when you go onto the next town! That would be his industry really – the degree peddlers. And so that's one aspect of it. But eventually this tradition all produced hundreds and thousands of various degrees that kind of organized in these little councils, and rights, and orders. That's what these words mean. They're like the grouping up of degrees into different traditions and keeping them together in these little groups hierarchy of forms around the group

26:49 You know search authority and so that's what all the various histories of all these varying degrees in rights and orders and all this is connected to different leaderships. vying for authority and control over the either Freemasonry proper, Ancient Craft Masonry or some other sub group of it. You know? Some other side group and the Scottish Rite is a huge part of this. The Scottish Rite was one of these groups that it was born out of that same European tradition. The Scottish Rite was implanted. It was sort of injected or inoculated into the American culture

27:29 In the late 18th century in the form of what was called the ineffable degrees or the lodge of perfection, you know, the right of perfection. And so it sort Sort of evolved in the early days before the civil war and then through and after the civil for. Civil war it evolved into the scottish right it was first called the scottish right in 1861 by albert pike very very infamous slash famous. You know, Civil War brigadier general who ends up being basically the guy who really puts the Scottish Ripe on the map. So to speak and that in this my book we map it out We talk about their

28:13 The Scottish Rite agents at odds with what we call the York Rite, which is the more Americanized version of that ancient craft masonry that was brought over here in the early 18th century by English soldiers. A lot of them in sojourner lodges where the military would bring over versions of masonry that they carried with them into the colonies And then they would convert the locals that initiate them into the lodge and then they would form a large right there in that local area not tell lodges were transplanted into colonies. Interesting yeah uh i think it's such a fascinating saga lot of infiltration it seems to be,

28:52 kind of their same blueprint for control just applied to infiltrating secret societies and getting in there, just like they might have done with the you know the 60s revolution. You get in there, you infiltrate it, you steer people to where you want them steered basically and Scottish Rite It seems like they just get people to continue paying their dues and walk along a road to nowhere because they kinda dangle that carrot and never really comes. It seems to be what I gathered out Scottish right and so it begs the question on those upper levels. What are they doing with all that money? They're a huge organization, you know, they've they've definitely had their tentacles in a lot of different areas

29:30 Yeah, there's all kinds of crazy stories about what happens with all the money they gather up. They claim to the world that they donate or they claim in the world that they give over one and a half million dollars a day I believe to charitable endeavors Let's talk about Masonic charities for just a moment The idea of Masonic charity began in the colonies America With the notion that Masons helped one another written right within the initiatory obligations of the first three degrees in masonry, you continually reinforce restate, you know reestablish that you will fly to the general relief of a Freemason. A brother Mason who's in distress? You know when you're able to do so and it won't cause you distress and you'll do it immediately especially if he applies to you for help

30:21 So this tenant was carried out by the early Masons in America. So if a brother Mason down the road, imagine a colony setting we're all homesteading really and I'm down the road and were both in the lodge and you need something, I'd come help ya." And that got around well in a small colony community If another person who wasn't in the lodge needed help in those situations, the average person out there today is pretty egalitarian I think and they would help somebody they saw a need if it really wasn't going to hurt them too bad. And that's what would happen an eventually this idea of charitable endeavor began but always kind of stayed at that local level until

31:02 around 1825, I believe it was when a certain Captain William Morgan went disappeared on September 11th by the way. When he disappeared Freemasonry almost got shut down in America as basically because what it was found out after the fact is that several Masons not only abducted him but they were involved in law enforcement and covered it up And so, you know it was a drawn out trial. People don't realize it went on for years there was dozens of indictments and many masons did go to jail but no one was ever found guilty of murder they were only ever found guilty of abduction

31:38 And, you know, William Morgan was never seen again. After that time Freemasonry shut down in places like Vermont and New Hampshire and New York for a while where it's completely deactivated but as it began to resurface...and there was also a huge social uproar, a giant anti-Mason party which was the first third party in America became the result of this anti-Mason fervor that rose up from what happened in a place called Batavia, New York in the Hudson River Valley region Same place where the Sleepy Hollow, you know and same place where Joseph Smith came from which was Palmyra right next door. So you know we also stayed there Mator X and I stayed there when we drove across country in the 90s late 90's We stayed in that same area ironically as where Captain William Morgan disappeared but when that happened

32:31 They needed to churn out some sort of huge, you can imagine right Greg? They had to turn out some sort of huge PR campaign to turn this around. Well how are we going to spin this? So Masons began to give away stuff like nobody's business right I mean that's really why they're out there celebrating all the charitable part of it is they're helping people to put a good look on it right that's the surface but then behind the scenes we've talked to guys that are insiders in the leadership. I mean, there were people who were on the, who were talking to me. I interviewed a lot of people who wouldn't let me use their name you know? They wouldn't let me reveal their source and I didn't include some of that stuff in the book because I didn't want to just throw out all kinds of baseless stuff without verification but I can tell everybody right now

33:17 that i heard all kinds of stories a corruption in nepotism and then i heard stories of where they transferred funds back-and-forth between masonic organizations as a laundering you know about conforms to where he could lose thousands of dollars in the exchange here and there And it's all connected to this. It's all hearsay right now on the radio, I mean who am I? I'm just telling you what other people told me but the fact of the matter is that there is even anybody out there who was these people were high up leadership connected this isn't just idle information These are people that the average person is not going to get to say these things and so that's what we're dealing with Man, so let's make it weird for a second. Let's get to some weird places What are your thoughts on the idea that at the top of these fraternal orders They're usually participating in some kind of sustained ongoing contact with some non-human entities Do you think that's a big part of the high level secrets or is that just rumors?

34:08 No, and you know we did talk. We covered this a little bit in our last conversation I feel like there's some huge Substantiation to this I think that there is quite the possibility because from all of my researches and experiences And I've really looked at this a lot Greg. I think that there is the greatest possibility of Sustained contact as you put it from ritualized behavior with disembodied spirits That's absolutely plausible in my universe anyways. Yeah, I don't disagree with you man Well let's break it down a little for the listeners to kind of get more specific about what we're talking about here So there's a book out there called inside the magical lodge written by a guy named John Michael Greer and in this book He is a man who spent decades working in the Golden Dawn Magical System where they do ritual ceremonial magic on a regular basis which means they have a lodge space

35:02 That they banish the energy. They literally cleanse the energy creating a vacuum on an etheric level and we're getting weird right? On an ambient energetic level, they just cleanse this area And what it's like Greg it's like if you were to... Like in Dragon Ball Z right that said you know come out The protective bubble around the characters, right? That's what like you'd imagine a nine-foot sphere Around you where you're saying I'm holding back all the cosmic energies in the universe for this time while I'm doing this magical ritual They'll all hold back outside that sphere and then you'll say I now allow only this one

35:43 this version of magic or this version of energy this current of Energetic force to come into the circle and I work with it now, and then I'll bring in this elemental force And I'll work with it now You know so you're basically and then at the end of it all when you banish the circle again When you're done all energies of the cosmos splash back into that space because nature abhors a vacuum and rushes back in. And if you've done your magic right, according to the magical tradition, the will—the thing that you've manifested with your will will be buoyant in that current of cosmos and be carried to its destination, it's likely course where it's supposed to go what you want to accomplish with the outcome of the results you seek so

36:24 This guy john michael grier he had years and years of experience in doing this sort of thing with the groups of people in lodges because the golden dawn. As with the oto as with hundreds of other magical orders, They meet in Masonic lodges in every city and state, you know city and town in America. So these that's what people need to keep in mind when you think well a guy will come on and say hey Masons are just guys having barbecues And they're you know they're doing this and that it's just about bake sales and pancake breakfasts is and that's all really isn't You don't reason funds and money charities for the children's funds and all that oh

37:00 That's all well and fine that may be just quite so but they also rent that space the other nights of the week when they're not meeting to other quasi Masonic Organizations and some of those include the OTO which was founded by or at least brought to America by Alistair Crowley And The Golden Dawn, which is all the Victorian magicians from you know Scotland Ireland in England and other places in Europe who also brought it over here to America. So it's a A lot of stuff's going on there that may not be quite what people expect in a Masonic lodge, maybe on any given night of the week. And so ceremonial magic is part of this Greg and this book he wrote called Inside The Magical Lodge talks about how a ritual space, a Masonic lodge which has an altar which has a square box in the center of the room with three lights of masonry around it

37:52 Each wall in the room is a direction on the compass, you know north south east and west. And there's a chair there and as a station there and that's all in accordance with this idea of Crossroad governors or demons you know like the idea of there being 91 parts to the earth that are all divided on this grid and in every spot There's a governor a king and a prince And that's what the words are used according to John D system, and you end up with this idea these entities these disembodied spirits who literally govern that exact spot on the earth I So if you built a lodge, for example on one of those really potent gridline crisscross places where you have a dozen governors and kings and princes of the demonic world. And demon in the Greek means disembodied spirit. Damon is it is a disembodied spirit? You know so If you had a building that you built on that spot or a temple, you know Or a church

38:48 And then everybody met regularly, weekly, daily monthly and in all these holy days. And on the specific calendrical days when everything works in a cycle right? So you have all the people that are there Zodiacal signs aligning and you all come together and you do a ritual every that attracts disembodied spirits that brings Disembodied spirits to that spot over and over again And after a while, they'll take on a life of their own and they'll start to see they want to keep that in

39:24 that gathering going they want to keep that activity go and they wanna track new members they wanna bring the same like minded people into that room and then keep them coming back. So you see how I would just keep evolving right Yeah man, and this idea of magic in these organizations I like the interface between that and money. And you write a little bit about the bankster thugs in this book and we talked a little bit about it last time but its such an interesting area to me because obviously the whole world is operated by money but it wasn't always finance and commerce had to be invented when you look back at you see this super close association between religions and monetary systems priests and money changers

40:05 It makes me even more intrigued by this idea that money might be the ultimate magic. It might be some direct manifestation from this sustained contact of this spiritual parasite because it operates with almost the same quality of possession in our world, I mean what do you think? Well, absolutely. Money is the talismanic tool of the mind parasites right? Of the invading pathogen that has entered human consciousness at some point along our journey as a species this outside or inner or outer intra-species or outer species predator showed up and one of the tools it has used is this mystification, this captivation through sigil through talisman

40:45 through money, the dollar itself. I mean the symbols all over it It's fascinating to think about in an objective way but of course subjectively you know we're enslaved by it. It is absolutely correct! I still am struggling with a way around this and let's not be mistaken to all listeners out there You know my motivation to know the truth and find the truth There was a mercenary side to it guys be on the advantage side instead of the disadvantage side because I felt disempowered as a person. I felt completely out of touch with all this metaphysical reality or any idea of this elemental nature, being real was all fantastical and not

41:29 clearly not in my everyday experience, you know as a person in the social structure of America working and slaving away trying to pay the bills. But I felt like I sought some sort of advantage. I wanted to be re-empowered and I thought to myself if they're using these tools and I believe that they are the birthright of all of ours Western people, you know you Greg I assume your Anglo Saxon descent mostly just like me So we are of those, what I call the European tribal peoples. You know like the ones that were conquered in the same way the Plains Indians of America were conquered these European people were conquered a thousand years before by the same sort of church system

42:13 that Abrahamic religious infestation which tries to tell us all that we're fallen and we need redemption, and we need salvation. And not that were born with everything we need and just need to wake up and realize it you know? So when you asked about the power brokers ever since this particular paradigm was launched which probably happened 10 thousand years ago just throw a number out there ever since it was launched We've had a priesthood in place that has used money or currency in some form. The exchange of goods and services has been part of this plan, the accumulation of wealth, the creation of scarcity and shortage to get people enslaved to others, you know? And maintaining that myth of scarcity and shortage to keep everybody really reinforced on that paradigm. In America it was no different!

43:06 With the end of the revolution, you know you had America wide open. And everybody knows that the central banking in America was established – they had a charter signed before the Treaty of Paris! Before they stopped the war between America and England, they already had a central bank for their new government set up. That's how important this was right? This is the priority and who was the guy that was brokering that deal everybody? our old friend Alexander Hamilton, who obviously had connections with the Rothschilds in the foreign banking exchanges. And this Rothschild connection I'm not...I only know what I've read just like everybody else has read the Anthony Sutton books out there and all the other material that anybody could find to talk about what we think is going on there whether or not any of that's true What i know is the results

43:50 The results are that a central bank was set up in America that basically just totally extracted the wealth everywhere around it to the point where it left such financial ruin in its wake, they did not renew the charter for that central bank. That tells you that wasn't effective for the people who thought they had liberty in America but this is how it moves forward everybody and everybody when you think about the assassinated presidents in American history You know the only president in American history to ever fight the central bank and not be shot in the head in public was Andrew Jackson. He's the only one, we remember Andrew Jackson. And they honor him by putting him on the fiat currency he was against!

44:34 Exactly and what do we remember about him? He was a general he had an army of standing army around him at all times a cavalry now That's how he enforced his policies really, you know And of course right in the end the irony is he's on the currency so they win It's a fascinating thread The Knights Templar are a big part of it if you go back further. I know you were kind of involved, I think that was one of the groups who were affiliated with the modern Knights Templar but in the past It's a pretty fascinating story because as I understand it they amassed a lot of wealth using banking tricks and issuing credit and then when King Philip tortured them and burned him at the stake They had to disclose A lot of where those ideas came from And they kept mentioning rituals these communing with some kind of entities that guided him and it seems to be one of those rare

45:21 times where we get the kind of insight we're looking for into this thread. Okay, so there's two parts to this question and the answers are really manifold because we have to consider okay What we know about torture right? I mean. I've never been tortured like officially by any you know standard that you could You know set as a torture stand that's never happened me I don't know about you Greg But I can imagine from what I've heard described and read described That you know if I was tortured I would just say whatever I had to say to get it to stop And that's what happened with these Knights Templar. I mean, they literally burned the bottom of their feet till the bones fell out. That's how it's described with hot, hot irons. So they melted the bottom of their feets until the little bones in their feet fell out onto the floor

46:07 so that's these are the guys that they got all the information written down from fair for it's good i guess is worth noting we gotta know data had a okay but having said that there was absolutely something heretical going on within the nightstem horrible absolutely we know that that that is the case with we verified that. But as to the specifics that were gotten from the torture confessions, I don't know how much I can deny or support there because of that fact about torture. But putting that aside for a second we know that the Templars were absolutely early bankers they set up a currency so basically if you are rich noble in Europe and wanted to go to the crusades, you want to go to Holy Land or whatever You could go to local Templar commandery

46:53 you know, deposit amount of gold in their commander. They would give you a sigillated piece of CD, a certificate of deposit that would have their fancy seal on it and you could travel anywhere where there was another Templar commandery and cash it in for gold. And that was the early currency exchange so they had that now the order I belong to is a little bit tricky because The Masonic Knights Templar Order is not the original order of Knights Templar. It's not at all, I mean the ideas of the Holy Blood Holy Grail are notwithstanding any that because within the statement I must qualify that there is I believe another

47:35 you know, almost secret Templar tradition that's traveling right alongside the official Masonic Knights Templar order. That may have connections that go all the way back at least to like King Robert the Bruce and his battle of Bronic Burn where this mysterious Calvary shows up and everybody claims that's the Knights Templar who had fled from the betrayal of Pope Clement and King Philip the Fair in France So that's the story. And I've heard it too, but what I can tell you as being a former member of the Masonic Knights Templar in America is that order is not the original Knights Templar Order

48:15 What it is, is a paramilitary order from the Victorian era Civil War mentality in America. As a matter of fact Mark Twain he actually blamed ... He said that Walter Scott who wrote Ivanhoe and also wrote Rob Roy, should be blamed for the Civil War because he infested the Southern mind with this idea of chivalry and the idea of these knights riding across a land like Arthurian Knights doing good deeds and saving damsels and defending Dixie. And all this was like that the core. So in the end days at that time period America if you most people were affected by the Civil War most men who were able-bodied served

48:59 And so they got that experience. But for those who didn't, they could join a paramilitary order like the Knights Templar in America and rub elbows with the former Civil War veterans as equals doing drills formations and marching in paramilitary outfits that looked like Civil War officers So that was really what it was going on there. And that's where we have this infestation of the Illuminati, that we alluded to before when I talked about Albert Pike. Albert Pike had an associate in Europe named Carlo Mazzini and Mazzini he was the head of the Italian Illuminati quote unquote you know? The inheritors of that same tradition. And what tradition are we talking about? We're not talking about the specific system, the ideology of Adam Weshoff. What he presented was a utopian ideology

49:47 What we're talking about is the playbook he used to disseminate his order, which was they attached themselves to Freemasonry and they recruited from the rank-and-file of free Masonic lodges in Bavaria at that time. And that's exactly what Mazzini did! He did the same thing in Italy and they created what were called Young Italy Lodges And these young Italians were recruited from the ranks and brought into what was like, almost like mind control. Like Chautauqua in America in the 1800s and 19th century where they traveled around from city to city and sort of disseminated mind control protocols almost you know? It's basically social engineering. They're putting out information that is government-contrived or contrived by the architects who are trying

50:38 a desired social result. And so Mazzini's was to spread insurrection, to spread revolution and he was part of that revolutionary spirit and he definitely had a specific agenda in mind. And being a friend of Albert Pike over here in America, Albert Pike was not only the head of the Scottish right, he was also one of the heads of the Knights of the Golden Circle! That's how America found out about the Knights of the Golden Circle, because of the Lincoln assassination trials. It was all brought out and maybe we can get into that more in the second hour here right? We can talk more about uh... The ways in which Albert Pike and Mazzini brought you know all this their specific agenda on board and recruited from the rank-and-file Freemasonry. Yeah right on! We definitely can do that but

51:33 Man, another element of masonry that comes out in the conspiracy world that I'm kind of curious about and want to ask you about is this idea of the deity flip. That at the highest degrees in masonry or even within the order of the church eventually learn that if they let you get high enough, that a negative entity is what's really being worshipped. A negative God rather than this all loving God they preach about and this kind of gets into the idea that Lucifer is the good guy and Yahweh is the bad but I find it pretty interesting can give us any insight there as to what's going on? Well, again I think we're back at that whole 91 parts of the earth and the crossroad demons and the different grades. When I talked about governors kings and princes this terminology is a way to designate a different level in our hierarchy you know so these this isn't thinking right good right okay so these individuals they really operating with this belief that they think in terms of hierarchical setup for power

52:35 And that's really what we're talking about here, is power. Elemental power and so the fact that the idea of reversal of deity I like that terminology because it's subtle It really is when you come into a lodge system and you start going through the first three degrees There's no indication of anything of this sort You really don't get that you get this good old boy experience with a bunch of Methodists Really? I mean That's what it feels like It feels like you're in church almost. It's that sort of boring kind of vibration going on and a lot of it is silly and hokey, seems lighthearted but when you get into the higher degrees and start to get into the invitational orders thats when the black cloaks with hoods come out and burning incense and candles and strange symbols appear on the altar

53:21 you know, the triangles and the circles and the stars become more emphasized with different anagramical words. So it's like a sigil. And it seems like you have these polyhedrons in these strange mandala-like geometrical patterns are all of sudden applied to the ritual. All of these things coax the awareness and the consciousness into a certain kind of frequency vibration. So it's completely plausible what you're saying, that the individuals at the core of this, the leadership in fact would be contriving a system in which they could literally attract certain energetic forms, certain frequency vibrations to get what? To get more power right? I mean a conduit to harvest power from individuals average individuals

54:11 Yeah, it's super compelling because it also explains why rumors of really dark things like pedophilia and human sacrifice plague the upper deck of these powerful groups. I mean even Jesus on the cross eating his flesh and drinking His blood that is a mock human sacrifice every Sunday morning in the typical church you know but its so subtle because it based on tradition and we don't we don't challenge it, we don't ask questions as to why were eating the flesh of this guy we worship because I don't do that in my everyday life but when you go to the church that's what's going on so it really does make me wonder. Well, yeah. The idea of sacrifice is a deep-seated issue in our consciousness There's so much to just like a whole other show we can talk about the you know What's really going on there as far as what? We're dealing with with with people who buy into that ideology and then the effects of it on all of us whether we even know it or

55:04 or not. What we're suffering under the consensual reality that is formed over time when enough people believe a thing and it's reinforced in the quote-unquote collective consciousness and unconsciousness, and everybody is sort of buying into it after awhile. The idea of ... Okay so what it breaks down to is like this You have linkages between all things in the universe. There was a guy named Bruno who was a medieval hermeticist and he wrote a lot about these linkages, the correspondences between things and he believed that magic, which defined magic merely means

55:46 causing change in accordance with will. Whether you mean physically or just in the level of consciousness, it's causing change in accordance with will. That's all magic is by definition. So having said that, Bruno believed that magic was fueled by something a force an electrical grid or whatever but he termed Eros like love from the Latin so eros right? Or is it Greek maybe Greek the idea of this energy fueling these linkages, these correspondences between different things all things in the universe whether living organic or inorganic. So the idea of this was it paints a picture when you think about people who are involved in twisted pedophilia or deviant sexual practices or just the strange stuff we hear that people end up doing in an occult like fashion

56:45 Because what we find is, is that if this so in this medieval model that Bruno establishes. That there are these linkages between all things in the universe and then it's fueled and the energy used to run the system that brings about desired results, desired effects, changes in accordance with will Is this Eros? This love quote-unquote love energy How closely tied is that love energy to sexuality Right? So you can see, you can understand on that level. Not that I'm at all condoning any of this please! I hope no one misunderstands what i'm saying because I'm not What I am saying is this a way to understand why these people would go down these twisted roads Because they're trying access power through this method This hermetic occult method

57:35 Yeah, that's a great point that I really hadn't heard articulated yet. To get back to the book a little bit and Scottish Rite specifically... It seems like they're kind of Trojan horse of secret societies You pay your dues you do the rituals but it's just a long road to nowhere while The Upper Deck is rewriting history and putting themselves in positions of authority and amassing power on your dime And it's like a big pyramid scheme. And last time we talked a little bit about the giants and the mounds that were found in early America and the Smithsonian's role in that, and it's kind of like The Scottish Rite is the Smithsonian of secret societies because they're both just fronts positioned as authorities in their field and they're secretly destroying or hiding the real gold nuggets. That is a great analogy! It's exactly like that

58:22 And I'm firmly convinced, I'll say with no substantiation to prove this that within the House of the Temple in Washington DC there's probably the greatest Masonic secrets that I would love to get my hands on and check out because they're holding them completely sequestered. you know it's just like we joked about last time and i think that is what this time of the idea of just being put away into that big room where they keep the ark of the covenant in the spirit destiny and i mean boxes with no labels. I need a vatican the vatican vaults another area or i love to get my hands on

58:58 Exactly. And because we know that we only have probably like, you know I'm not gonna be specific but in all generalities the smallest fraction of a percent of human knowledge that we have access to there's a whole bunch that it's just not available and when i entered The Lodge system I found that to be true. I discovered that there are many private libraries that are sequestered all over the landscape, that people don't even aren't aware exist. Where there's tons of material just sitting on the shelves rotting not being unused totally just sitting there unused and it's a real shame. Oh yeah its probably one of the biggest shames our time

59:40 Friderics, my friend this has been awesome. I'm glad you finally got that book out and it is full of awesome info would you like to remind the people where they can pick that up so you can get the biggest margin on that sale? And also your website and podcast! Yeah, of course it's at the normal places. Amazon has the book you can just type in secret war inside Freemasonry Frater X But we really are directing folks over to our website middlechambermedia.com Because it's right it's more direct support for everything we're doing We have a family, I've had to take serious economic cuts just to get the book out as you can imagine. And that means taking time off of regular work in order to make it happen so we are asking folks to buy directly from us because we get the greater margin on this support and helps us move forward. I got some exciting new projects coming from becomealivinggod.com look forward to whole new set of projects from them with Freighter X

1:00:37 And of course, I'm always working with freemantv.com but to get this book The Secret War Inside Freemasonry you go on over to middlechambermedia.com and of course regular updates we have podcasts my wife MaderX who's also the editor of the book Her and I, we do podcasts regularly throughout the month of our own over at The Middle Chamber. And you can find that links to that at the website and they're constantly being updated all the time. Greg thank you for having me on! I would love to come back on some other time and continue our awesome conversations. Of course man it is always fun and i'll definitely throw in links with the episode that are the ones that are really going to get you to the book where you are going to get the biggest margin We can cut out the big giant corporate middleman

1:01:21 And yeah, man. But it's been awesome we covered a lot of ground you never yelled at me so it's a good day I hope you never expected such No but I do wish you well man. I know you're doing a lot of great work your wealth of information I know you and matter X have four kids sometimes making sure that there's a solid revenue stream can get in the way of the research and as its designed to do but You've stayed strong And I'd really like to see the people connect with you and support what you're doing, even more so than other guests that I've had because I think you're awesome. We are friends and hopefully they will! So keep doing what you do man until the next show take care of yourself out there. You too Greg farewell and keep it up brother. You're fighting a good fight as well and i'm really excited to know you man. I am glad we were able to have these awesome conversations

1:02:11 Boom goes the dynamite people hitting all the high notes, re-examining all the rumors and getting some real insight into things they just don't want us to know. Glad my man finally got his book out he's a blast to talk too! And after all of that we talked about in this first hour we went on elaborate more on Mound Builders of Ancient America, stories of giant skeletons, ley lines and natural energy grids and just what early colonialists might have known about it? A possible connection between the Nephilim, the giant skeletons and humanity's spiritual virus. Suppressed stories from the Book of Enoch, The Lore of Changelings, more about Albert Pike... And a little something-something my dear friend wrote about that follows some MKUltra funding right back to the Scottish Rite. Yikes!

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1:03:46 I've always crashed and burned Started out in total confusion Which only got worse with every screw I turn But as I've gotten older There's one thing I have learned As life goes on You get more and more out of it. I'm more out of it than ever used to be And they say, you get out of it what you put into it Out of it is everything to me A lot depends how you like yourself What'll it be? Well done, scrambled or fried

1:04:35 Which affectation seems the least effective will have the greatest effect to reveal the man inside. But don't advertise your affectations Just not dignified As life goes on You get more and more out of it I'm more out of it In every single way And they say, you get out of it What you put into it I get more out of each day