Ed Haslam | Dr. Mary’s Monkey, The Polio Vaccine, and Lee Harvey Oswald

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00:43 Alright people, as we've spent more time navigating the vast corruption and conspiracies of the world and parsing out the plans and actions of the shadowy elite. We often reach a point where very little will actually surprise our cynical minds Well just when you thought you'd heard it all today were pulling on a conspiratorial thread that has remained largely undisturbed despite being what I've come to realize has to be one of the biggest secrets ever kept by The Powers That Be And by the time we're done many of us will probably have in mind some ways this web of lies and cover-ups has affected us or someone we care about personally. It's a sad and unfortunate puzzle of high complexity, but today's guest Ed Haslam has been piecing it together for years and has written two books about it along the way. First in 1995 with Mary, Fairy & The Monkey Virus- The Story of An Underground Medical Laboratory And then revisited again in 2007 with what is now one of my personal favorites and real candidate for subtitle of the century Dr. Mary's Monkey How the Unsolved Murder Of A Doctor A Secret Laboratory In New Orleans

01:41 and cancer causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassination of JFK and emerging global epidemics. A massively impressive journalistic undertaking that our guest seems perfectly positioned to put together. And I can't wait to get down to it. Edmoman welcome to The Higher Side Thank you very much, Greg. Man yeah thanks for being here I'm so happy you agreed to do this because your book is amazing and there's nobody else that's telling the story as far as i can tell and obviously we're going to do the best We can to make it clear for people but when you get the book and see all the documents And photographic evidence You reproduce It really drives home that this isn't just some idea you came up with This is verifiable many steps of The way

02:23 best place to start probably is with you because I'm always fascinated with the way that synchronicity plays out in a person's life and it seems like you are positioned almost perfectly to be the one telling this story so maybe we'll kick it off there. How did you get involved with this saga in the beginning? Well, the book is first and foremost as a subtitle says an investigation into the murder of Dr. Mary Sherman and doctor Mary Sherman taught orthopedic surgery at to a medical school in New Orleans And my father also taught orthopedic surgery at a medical school in new orleans and my father and mary sherman were very good friends. And they of course we go to the orthopedic meetings together and stuff like that each year, and mary even came out to the house once when i was a child i remember sitting on her lap and what i knew about mary that others did not i knew what my father

03:19 Perspective was honor and that my father was from harvard medical school and had pretty good credentials and he just had the utmost respect for this woman who is out of the university of chicago. And for those not familiar with the University of Chicago, that's an intellectual power station where it loaded with Nobel Prize laureates and stuff. And she was up there working with people like Enrico Fermi and Harold Urey I mean these are the guys that invented the atomic bomb! And she was bringing radiation into medicine and she was published in Cancer and she was a very competent orthopedic surgeon

03:57 So when she died in the summer of nineteen sixty four and issue is horribly murdered it was big news in the city but it was big news my family cuz she was one my father's best friends and i heard stuff at home that the public didn't hear. And i never thought i was gonna be able to document what i heard in the story and stuff but i heard rumors of biological weapons i heard rumors of lee harvey as well i heard that armless missing her strange stuff in that whole investigation had been shut down from above.

04:33 And it was almost 30 years later, I think 28 is the number. When I finally went to the public library in New Orleans and got my hands on the actual documents to find out what… You know what the autopsy said about the police report set with the media said all that and that was how i got into. This subject i'm also from new orleans you know cuz that's where i was raised my father was there, any other sort of path that comes into this was in the nineteen sixties in new orleans this order big local is out to clean late six days

05:12 Was Jim Garrison's investigation into the Kennedy assassination? I mean, it was on the news every night and you know. I'd go to school and i have some friends whose families were involved defending garrison. And I have other friends involved in you know defending shaw and all this stuff until I was surrounded by this whole subject in the 1960s and it was there I started hearing the rumors of the biological weapon and the monkey viruses being used. I couldn't help ignoring this because Tulane managed the Delta Regional Primate Center. It was one of the first and biggest primate labs in the country, and I had spoken to my father about it several times before all this stuff happened, before Mary died, before Kennedy died. And he was the one who told me about... You know, I asked him if I could have a pet monkey. He said you know as a 10-year old kid, hey dad can have a pet monkey? And he said absolutely not. And I said well why not

06:15 You know they carry diseases well i mean we're talking here in two thousand sixteen everybody sensitized to the idea of monkey viruses and aids all this other stuff back then, monkey virus is causing diseases was pretty exotic and so i paid attention to it. So i grew up with all the stuff around me even more stuff that will get into later but i found myself in the middle of this story. And i know a lot of the players personally and i just you know who's up. Big thorn in my paul wanted to get it out and so about the time all over stones movie came out. And all of her stones movies of course about jim garrison investigation into the assassination on it was the first time i had seen something that the public could watch and digest and have some idea,

07:11 of the shenanigans that was going on in New Orleans. And so I started thinking about it in more detail at that point and time, and that's when I went to the library to get my information Yeah, and it is such a tangled and involved story with so many players in it. As most people who've researched the JFK assassination alone know—and then this is even more complex—but I guess we can go back and give people the larger context of this story but as far as your study's concerned uh...in Dr. Mary's murder what were some of the major inconsistencies between what the public was told? What the evidence showed and what you had heard personally

07:50 Okay, I'll be happy to answer that but let me just as a preamble of that say to your audience That when you hear where we're going on this and what else is involved. You realize the JFK assassination is a bump in the road Right Mary Sherman's body was found in her apartment about four o'clock in the morning It was naked She had been set on fire. She had seven or eight stab wounds in her and the city was just absolutely on fire with rumors about kinky lesbian stuff, and you know it was so horrible that just everybody wanted to take three steps back and not talk about it You know It had the sort of broad brushstrokes of a psychosexual thing in her bedroom And all that other stuff mm-hmm

08:36 But remember, my father told my mother. My father was actually asked to go the morgue and look at the body and he told my mother that her arm was missing. And my mother told me as mothers tend to talk to their children about things. I had once tried to get a hold of the police report on this thing back in the 70's and I had a friend who is a murder investigator for the DA's office and he tried to get it for me. He almost got fired for asking OK, that's how closely guarded this file was. It was like in the chief of police desk.

09:15 When i finally got my hands on the document, autopsy report which is in the book by the way and appendix and. The police report no harm with the precinct where me and homicide report and all of the newspaper coverage for several weeks i went to my kitchen table and i said. Set down i made stack a which was official stuff instead be which was the media coverage And by the time i got finished reading it i found out for sure mary sherman's arm was missing it had been disintegrated. By heat ok what was left with a carbon stop and her rib cage was disintegrated, okay the cops on the scene said they could stand there and see the internal organs of your body

10:05 Now right next to that black carbon eyes trying disintegrating burn was her hair some doesn't fit now here's the problem, the hair is the easiest thing to burn on the body and bones don't technically don't even burn. Right you know in a cremation they dehydrated my grind up the bones and hand it back to use the huge dust so that's When i realize that and i said well let's see what the media set in the media never mentioned. The fact that her arm was missing or that she had these horrible burns at disintegrated ribcage wow and so i'm saying this is like,

10:51 Oh listen to the oj simpson murder thing and forgetting to mention that nicole's throat got caught i mean this is the major forensic fact in the case and the public was not told. About it so you have to ask a question why you know, add the other question yes along with the wise what did it you know i made the toaster there's absolutely nothing in her apartment That could have generated the power to disintegrate her arm i mean that. The only time you see stuff like that is in extremely high voltage electrocutions. I have some pictures on my website about a guy who was trying to steal copper wire from the energy, which is big power company transformer and it blew off his arm and looks just like Mary Sherman's. What's left as they are carbonized stump? And so we had this

11:52 Reality described in the official documents of what really happened to mary sherman and then we have this essentially cover story that was told back to central it is a cover story that was told by the press. Do the public so why i mean takes a lot of muscle to do all cover story like that and then, the investigation in the words my mother will shut down from above about two weeks later And the police is called a press conference and said we're not gonna be able to solve this one guys back to work. You know so i mean why say mysterious me you know this murder head is over fifty years old now it has never been solved, add the basic facts of the murder were hidden until i publish my books and brought him out so that is on

12:45 The basic forensic problem with the murder and so you have to ask yourself why. What is this murder covered up why didn't they tell the public and the answer in my opinion, is they did not want the residence of uptown new orleans where this happened going around uptown new orleans looking for a five million volt electrical machine that could've burned off mary sherman's arm And the reason is they don't want them to find it. Right? And the reason they didn't want him to find it, Is there was a medical Manhattan project going on on federal property in uptown New Orleans where they were using A linear particle accelerator which is the 5 million volt radioactive device To mutate monkey viruses and you have to say well gee that's an odd activity why were they doing that? And thats where my investigation

13:41 Gets into it. Well, who was mary sherman? Who did she work for what did she study where were her papers published You know What do we know about all this and what we discover is that this whole story is related to polio right and Remember I mean she's an orthopedic surgeon they handle polio as much as anything back in the 50s And that gets into questions like G where the polio epidemic come from which we can ask later but the big takeaway piece of information that the audience needs to know is that the polio vaccine which was released officially in nineteen fifty five.

14:26 Through nineteen sixty three these vaccines both the salt and save it back scenes were grown on monkey kidney. Cells when they took out the polio virus that they just ground holding up in filter to, when i took out the polio virus to make the vaccine they got every other virus that was enough monkeys kidney In the vaccine so what happened was it at the time that prevailing? Paradigm on this was that you know cancer, you know could not be caused by a virus right but there were some A researcher up at the National Cancer Institute By name of Sarah Stewart who was a stubborn and tenacious woman who believed That cancer was being caused by viruses

15:18 And in 1957, she and another researcher by the name of Bernice Eddy proved to the satisfaction of the management of The National Cancer Institute that they had discovered a cancer-causing virus in hamsters. They named it polyoma, poly meaning many, oma meaning tumors so this one virus caused different types of tumors meaning long Test and i bought in numerous animals. Okay once they discovered that you could prove it congress started throwing money out anybody need electron microscope united state put these things around the universities and what are the first things they did was a start of cataloging, viruses from the monkey labs

16:06 And it was in about 1958 that they discovered that this polyoma virus, which they had identified, was actually native to an Asian monkey called the Asian macaque or macaque depending on how you pronounce it. Which is better known as the rhesus monkey. Now what's important about this is the rhesus monkey has blood Most similar to human blood of any primate right and therefore they use them in medical research all the time okay, and The polio vaccine was grown on the kidney cells of rhesus monkeys

16:53 Okay and when they discovered this polyomia virus in there, they renamed it. They gave it a less hysterical name It was the 40th one they found and the word The scientific word for monkey is simian so they called it simian virus number forty And When they realized that was native to the rhesus monkey They asked the horribly excruciating question of did this virus get into the polio vaccine? And by the time they asked that question, they had already released a hundred million doses of the polio vaccine to the American people through the Salk and Sabin vaccines. So this is like the biggest mistake in history period okay?

17:48 When you're in the government your eyes are responsible for this need to do two things first of all she stamped is a national security secret nobody can talk about it alright and the other thing you do if u wanna get really busy looking for solution before the public finds out. Add they had just gone through this experience with polio vaccine where they had, Most people don't know the detail of this history but it's worth going into a long format show like this thing so there are three flavors of polio we're gonna call him heavy medium and light, okay heavy killed and crippled medium sort of was in the middle and why just gave you flu like symptoms really didn't do any damage.

18:30 So Salk, well you know the only one that kills and cripples is heavy so that's the only one we really have to deal with. Let's go ahead and drown the polio virus in formaldehyde. That'll kill it and then will inject that into your children and the dead monkey virus will trigger your immune system once it triggers your immune system then it'll fight off all the other polio things and Salk You know it's out of pittsburgh a lot of oil money and steel money behind you know i wish i had his pr people could have to hear what happens to him you realize the power of public relations. In april nineteen fifty five they held a big press conference up in ann arbor michigan and by day i mean the march times people and stuff to announce the results all the trials,

19:23 What's the trial all that means that we injected this thing which was not approved yet into fifteen seventeen hundred children and. We got back the results and we the march of dimes say that this thing is now proven it is safe to disaffected everybody roll up your sleeve and get ready to get your injection. Okay now they announced this to the public without getting the government's approval then they turned to bernice eddie,

19:59 MD PhD who is the vaccine safety tester for the national institute of health and said doctor eddie would you please approve these things cuz were about to release them right. Add your she basically rolled her eyes went back in injected this stuff into her monkeys then she got that dead crippled monkeys, And she turned to the people in charge and she said look i don't know what the problem is here but i know there's a problem. Add if you release this thing you're gonna kill children okay so if are you i would delay this until we figure,

20:39 Figure it out right and i said are you not we've already told me promise the president promised this is an hour nixon or in the white house you know who promises to the people of public is terrified. about polio. Of course, they're terrified about polio. Media made them terrified about polio and I'll get into that in a little bit here but the point is they turn to you know she's telling people to delay it and there are six pharmaceuticals six laboratories producing the polio vaccine for distribution and one of them is called Cutter Laboratories in California

21:17 And the major stockholder of cutter laboratories is doctor alton oshner from new orleans who happens to be. Mary sherman's boss this is the doctor who was murdered right dr mary sherman her boss is doctor all nausea, who had been president of the american cancer society And he was the major stockholder in the laboratory where the polio vaccine was not working properly and was killing crippling monkeys. And you know i should use point of views who is this woman. Throwing red tape at us at the last minute i mean this is the most anticipated medical event in history we've been at this for twenty years as thing is safe proven effective done the francis trials blah blah blah he said, i am a call the faculty of to a medical school together into the amphitheater

22:14 And my father and mary sherman both on the faculty a call them in there is that you know there's a controversy going on about the salt taxi. I am here to tell you that it is safe and i would never ask you, to do anything that I was not willing to do myself and therefore, I'm going to inoculate my grandson and granddaughter right here right now. Which he does! And in 48-72 hours his grandson is dead and his granddaughter has polio. So...I think we can agree at this point Dr. Oshner has a personal connection to polio and having been the

22:56 President of the american cancer society has a very direct connection to the cancer establishment and so what happens in nineteen fifty eight when they find that cancer causing virus, end the polio vaccine that they have already released one hundred million doses of you got a real problem on their hand and osh is the perfect guy to try to fix it. Which is why the same winds up in new orleans this whole thing you know and it was a loss your value does he really have the cloud to pull the insider knowledge everything else that could do this well i've got his fbi file.

23:38 You know, he's got 40 years of covert assignments for the US military. The army and Navy Air Force Marines blah blah blah the FBI and one other unnamed agency And there's even a document in their dated October 1959 signed by J Edgar Hoover approving him for a quote sensitive position For the United States government Okay wow this is nineteen fifty nine this is right when they say what are we gonna do about this we now know. We have a major major problem that week at all get lynched over okay so why don't we do to try to come up with the solution before the public finds out that we just mass inoculated their children with cancer causing viruses well,

24:30 They're gonna decide to mutate the monkey virus the cancer causing monkey virus to see if they can make it into a benign strain of that's apart of the story i need to tell you back after salt and after salt thing backfires. You know they give him an award on the lawn in the white house thank him for his service absorb him have any responsibility for this cockeyed kitchen science scheme he had and then he goes, With all the money from pittsburgh behind him to spend the rest of his life on the bluffs in california. At the salk institute where he is hailed as a national hero nice you know after his vaccine blows up on the launch pad basically okay so what happens is that they withdraw his vaccine after three weeks, after three weeks nobody else's right and

25:27 It takes a couple months but they replace it with the competitive strategy and the competitor this strategy was developed by albert saving. And say ben s a b i n seven says you don't need to mess with polio heavy i mean that's dangerous when make mistake without kill people what you do is your work with polio light, It does not kill it does not cripple just gives you flu like symptoms and its safe in a. And so they start injecting people this is their new strategy nixon's in charge of all this white dwight eisenhower busy running the cold war, building nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles and playing chess against the russians and other stuff

26:11 It's Nixon that is handling this domestic stuff. Well, when the Salk vaccine backfired they fired all the top brass involved. They fired the Secretary of Health Education and Welfare whose name was Oveta Hobby. She was the first woman ever to sit on the American cabinet and her husband was the governor for Texas She was fired and they fired the management of the National Institutes of Health and everything else. And Nixon was charging, putting this thing back on track and getting new people in a new strategy involved. It was through Nixon's quote leadership that the Sabin vaccine was brought forward. The Sabin vaccine was originally injected from a syringe later on about 1960 or so maybe 61 was put into a sugar cube

27:08 And so before lsd the famous iconic sugar cube was the polio vaccine and they had a little white ketchup cups and all the children would all line up for him in our remember, standing in line as a child these big long tables with his wife catch-up cops on with the sugar cubes and the kid in front of me. I saw him pick up the catch-up cop and pocket the sugar cube And i said what do you doing he says that is full of monkey plus and im not taking it. Smart kid those words exact words right and i mean a concern me but my father was the doctor and they had sent me over there to take this thing in so i was,

27:56 I'm just going to take it. You know, understood the reason was to try and keep me from getting polio." At any rate so that's the Sabin vaccine but the point is...the story here is that the Sabin vaccine was also grown on the kidney cells of the rhesus monkey And when they started looking at the hundred million doses that they had distributed, they found SV40, the cancer-causing monkey virus in both the Salk and Sabin vaccines. And injecting this is worse because you know when you eat something, you've got some protection there I mean your intestines protect from a lot of stuff but when you inject it into the body, there's no protection

28:45 And so what happened was these two women bernice eddie is here stewart realize the problem in in the nineteen fifties and they went to their bosses and said guys were talking about epidemic of cancer. Add it was at this point that that eddie and steward had a falling out just cause a different philosophy somewhat america wasn't how it should work it was any who went to the american cancer society meeting in new york, and announced that she had found a cancer-causing virus in the kidney cells upon which the polio vaccine had been grown. She stopped a little short of saying it's in the vaccine, but didn't take people...she wanted somebody else to find that point. It didn't take them long to find that and the people at Merck and Philadelphia and stuff quickly identified the virus in the polio vaccines. And so now we have this

29:42 The situation what did they do once they knew the stamp it secret as i mentioned and they got really busy about trying to find a benign strain to it that they could use in a vaccine. The problem was i mean we're in polio they had three strains but with sv40 or polyoma they only had one. And so they have together to mutate in order to find a benign strain that they could use for a backseat and You know i remember back in the sixties i was told all this was impossible and even when it came out with my book. In nineteen ninety five hours way out on a limb all by myself talking about cancer causing viruses and i had doctors and nurses everybody tell me i was, i was outside the box you know not thinking logically and all that other stuff add today two thousand sixteen there marketing garden sale

30:39 which is a vaccine designed to prevent cancer-causing virus from causing cervical cancer and many other types of cancer. It's actually, it's a polyomavirus itself and so what you've got there is you've got the Reason for them to start using radiation. On these cancer causing monkey viruses and they don't want to tell anybody what you're doing because it have to admit why they were doing it right so in, that's why they set up this medical man had project normally this would be in bethesda maybe those you know level four labs or something out there but they put this down in new orleans

31:28 Away from bethesda on federal property in a us public health service hospital and for those who are not familiar with those they take care of the military and stuff and regarded by marines so we got this hospital that's gotta wall around it. It's got marines with guns at the front door preventing casual traffic from coming in this get about thirteen buildings on this campus it's got a big hospital up front and back they've got a couple of small buildings one of which, will sign out front call it the infectious disease laboratory just keep out the cash will traffic you know nobody wants to go into building called that and its in that building.

32:12 that they put the linear particle accelerator. And even today, remember this is over 20 years since I came out with my initial book pointing at this thing, that building is still there with an orange fence around it and has not...I mean the roof is falling in looks like a haunted house you know? And everything else all the other buildings on the campus are in fine shape. In fact the whole thing has been sold to the state State louisiana and it's adolescent care facility now. It's no longer us public health service hospital But it's there in that building where the machine was that burned off mary sherman's arm Right, so one of the big insights it took me a while to get to this with big insights I had on this is That's the crime scene

33:02 Crime scene was never investigated the only thing that was investigated with her apartment and what they found in our apartment i mean. The curtains next to her bed did not burn the books on a nightstand did not burn the paper label of the sherry bottle did not burn the carpet it did not burn the clothes that were piled on top of your body as fuel for the fire most of them did not burn, The only thing that burned was the mattress okay what matters is don't burn off arms ask a firefighter they'll tell you that okay i had a doctor call me once she worked at the emergency room maturity hospital in new orleans you said read your book i want to know,

33:45 that I would occasionally have to go to houses where there had been house fires and stuff, and pronounce deaths. And she said, I'd see bodies that were burned like marshmallows or totally black and carbonized on the outside. She said they still had their arms and legs. So you know this is less than a five hundred degree fire it's you know i mean he take the turkey out of thanksgiving oven you know if not half gone just cooked and so there's nothing in mary's apartment that could explain that the neighbors downstairs are used to hear on her walk around department didn't hear anything.

34:28 And we started to get deeper and deeper and deeper into this project. So the initial intent of this linear particle accelerator in New Orleans is to develop a vaccine, to try to prevent the cancer epidemic which we have today by the way. Right? I just wanted interject for a minute that's what I was...I really wanted to drive that home is uh I guess I should ask you how much of today's soft tissue cancer do you think is related to this saga and this vaccine in particular? Well, we got back 15-16 maybe even 20. Last time I looked at the number was 15 or 16. We got back 15 or 16 cases of cancer per year for every one case of polio okay and they were quite happy to call polio an epidemic to get everybody's afraid and ready to get the

35:25 Vaccine the vaccine but they were not willing to call cancer an epidemic now i'm hearing it today. Click on the internet back in nineteen ninety five when I started this i said i'm gonna start using the word cancer epidemic because nobody's talking about it. And nobody was talking about it back then, so we have an enormous and I have the graphs in the book around page 200. We have an enormous epidemic of soft tissue cancers and here were talking about breast prostate melanoma and lymphoma. If I was to add a fifth one in there would be childhood brain tumors

36:04 The numbers in brain tumors are outrageous, but they started to level off before the graphs period was made. So it's kind of a technical point, but brain is obviously soft tissue you know? So the thing about soft tissues is they turn over faster than other tissues so that cancer show up faster and It's about...the number is about 1 in 200 Okay, great. So just to be clear because this is such an important point everyone who's gotten the polio vaccine and their descendants cuz it does transfer from generation to generation out of those people all of which now have this monkey virus in them one in 200 of these people will come down with some form of soft tissue cancer as a result? Yeah thing I like to quote with this I was listening to public radio one day and they were interviewing some scientists about Gardasil

36:56 And this is what the scientist said, not me. He said we know that 100% of cervical cancer is caused by the human papillomavirus but only one out of 200 people who have the human papilloma virus get the cancer. Oh well that's great! We got 300 million people in our country 1 half of one percent is one and a half million people a year Which is what we've got and to put this into perspective and just show what a horrible job our mainstream media doing on this.

37:35 On september eleven two thousand one you know when the attacks happened in new york and washington we lost about three and a half thousand people do to terrorism, that same day we lost about three thousand people due to cancer the next day we lost about three thousand people due to cancer the next day last about three we've lost about twelve and a half million people due to cancer since september eleventh. And i promise you if you add up all the people we've lost due to terrorism it's nowhere near that number so. When did just look at the facts are the attention given by the media is disproportionate,

38:13 We're now in 1960-61, they've got this secret project going on in New Orleans. They have assembled the A team to handle it. They've got Oshner's in charge because of his background with cancer and with polio. Mary Sherman is an expert in cancer and radiation. She worked with Enrico Fermi father of the atomic bomb with Zeilert and stuff and the guy that patented nuclear power. They've got all this stuff set up that gotta buy a weapons expert by the name of rivera there in town working with them. They brought in linear particle accelerator operators and all the stuff that you need to do a project like this and then in nineteen sixty two, october sixty two we wind up with russian missiles in cuba pointing at new orleans

39:05 I was in the world at the time i remember sitting there watching television that little circle coming out of cuba and we're inside the circle and they're talking about ninety minutes you know to nuclear warfare and i'm saying when i can be get to see the late show tonight. And priorities, priority is your kid but you go wow what's going on here right anyway that change the whole complexion of a project because The CIA in particular decided they needed to get rid of fidel castro almost at all cost. And so they get in bed with the mafia who also wants to kill Castro because he took their casinos and stuff. And they started doing all of these harebrained schemes, try to kill Fidel Castro and they've got this project where there are already exposing cancer causing monkey viruses to radiation hoping to get back weaker strains but you know it's easier spot a strong strain that gets stronger and stronger strides

40:03 And so what they decide to do in 1963, beginning of 1963. Remember this is just a couple months after the missile crisis right? They decided to weaponize the project and create a biological weapon based on this cancer-causing virus capable of killing Fidel Castro So This is where another plank comes into the story they've got asset a gal from florida who when she was in high school while she had watched her grandmother die of cancer and she wanted to be the person to find a cure for cancer and so when she was still in high school she starts giving. Cancer two mice in seven days,

40:49 Which is faster than they're able to do it up at the National Cancer Institute. And when they realize they have a high school student in a dirt floor laboratory with no credentials and no budget, who's outperforming The National Cancer Institute? They sweep her up. Of course! You know they say honey we're shutting down your lab because this is like the craziest thing We've ever seen I mean she was irradiating the mice and then putting him in smoke chambers with cigarette smoke and that's how she was giving him the cancer And they said, we're going to train you. And they brought her up to Buffalo, New York to a place called the Roswell Park Cancer Institute. This has nothing to do with Roswell, New Mexico there are no aliens here right? This is the oldest and largest cancer research institute in America at that time and she spends the summer working in the laboratory of the director and they trained her to do certain projects because

41:48 They want her to do secret research for them that they don't wanna tell the public there doing cuz i don't wanna admit why. Okay now so i'm gonna ask a rhetorical question here but just think this one through for a second we just said theres 100 million people with cancer causing virus in their bloodstreams because we injected them or gave him sugar cubes right what happens when you put that person front of an x-ray Will the radiation trigger the virus to start the cancer. I mean that's an enormous question and it threatens the entire use of x ray in american medicine wow, does

42:32 And so they wanna know what the answer is without asking the question in public of course. So they set this gal up and not her name shooting a center up at the university of florida with the help of us senator smothers who gets run the back door, They're paying her tuition, they're paying her room and board. She is doing research for it and they've given her access to radiation and human melanoma cells at the University of Florida. And she's doing this research and she is sending monthly reports to New Orleans to the attention of Dr. Alton Oster

43:15 Now it's Ochsner that got her into this Roswell Park place in the first place. In fact, this is an interesting point to the story. Judy in 1961 she was a senior in high school doing these experiments I was talking about and she was getting a lot of help from people like the military. She has got letters to prove it and stuff. Her teacher that was in charge of this project who was a retired Army colonel who is pulling a lot of strings and get their information on one of the documents she had she saw that the american cancer society was holding there annual press briefing in saint petersburg florida which is. Twenty miles up the road from where she lived and so she decides, i mean she knows what you doing shoes got these experiments for she's been given cancer to these mice seven days and she wants to tell somebody about it so she takes her high school press pass

44:12 and literally hitchhikes up to St. Petersburg, and crashes the American Cancer Society annual press conference. And like every, lots of moxie there. Everybody in the room is basically I mean just about everybody's 50 year old man baggy gray suits and then walks this 16 17 year old girl in a pretty dress and we say who says what you doing here blah blah blah? And they're getting ready to kick her out and she says I got this information I need to tell you about well they decide to let her stay

44:49 Turn the morning and have lunch with her and find out what she's gonna say for herself. And when she tells the man who invited her to stay whose doctor deal deal is the executive vice president of american cancer society in charge of research and he is the former dean of university minnesota, Read mail clinic stuff okay so this is a very heavy hitters in the medical tech and he says young lady you know what you're saying like nobody is doing this in seven days. And she says well here are my notes my lab is right down the road i'm happy to show you what i'm doing,

45:34 And so deal picks up the telephone and calls his buddy alton oshner in new orleans and said alton get out here you know there's this woman i need you to meet this young lady i need you to meet. And so ostrich says well it's friday during the phone call he said i'll be there on sunday And do that so i can show up on sunday with this other guy is a baggage suit neural man and he interviews judy and they agreed to go see your lab then so the next day on. Monday they drive down to brayden where judy lives and i go to her high school. And then specter lab and then they go meet with the principal in a say you know it's time for you shut this down, add that's how she gets invited up to roswell park and also would you be who is the other guy

46:29 She's also there is deal in austria who's the third time and she said oh i wrote his name down to my nose on a look at it she comes back with his name was your. You are you why and he was from the university of chicago and he knew a lot about radiation, what is this herald jury who ran the war sciences program that columbia during world war two and developed project now known to the world as the manhattan project So the question here is not connecting Judy to Yuri because that's almost a fluke It's what was Alton Oshner doing in the spring of 1961 Flying around with Harold Urey at his elbow And I think the answer is the linear particle accelerator into worlds. Yeah, that makes sense so

47:23 The phone rings in the spring of nineteen sixty three options on the phone and he says judy how would you like to skip the last two years a college start medical school no fall will pay your tuition room import give me a stipend. This is one thing we need to do we need you to come to new orleans this summer and help us with this project that's really important to the country, to do and we need somebody with your exact skills to do it and you'll be working under the supervision of that famous cancer researcher and doctor dr mary sherman would you like to do this.

48:02 What is her dream job i mean they just gave her the ticket to becoming the greatest cancer researcher in america if she wants to be. Okay so course she accepts right now says also see you this second week of may, right because he knows he's going out town will be back to live. Judy has some stuff going on in florida like the school is shutting down for the new trimester system and she don't wanna go home cuz she's got a bad family scene so she comes to new orleans couple weeks early, and course sheets. Shoot your mouth off about who she is why she's in town and all this stuff gets back to us and he makes a phone call today they said we gotta get somebody in there

48:48 and get control of her, and get her set up in her cover job. And get her a place to live and make sure she doesn't get beaten and raped in New Orleans and all this other stuff." So they send in this ex-marine who's got intelligence training who is from New Orleans, who actually has one foot in the mafia and one foot in the CIA, to be her babysitter and bodyguard. On about April 25th or 26th Lee Oswald shows up and intercepts her at the post office where she goes each day looking for a love letter from her fiance. That's how she meets Lee Oswald, and it's Lee Oswald was sent there because of Judy because Judy was the asset they needed that knew how to do all these experiments with these monkey viruses safely and stuff. They've got something they're going to do in New Orleans

49:45 That summer and what they're going to do is use this radiation from this linear particle cell where. to ramp up the virility or deadliness of these viruses. And they're gonna inject them into mice and get tumors, and they're gonna kill the mice and cut out the tumors, then they're gonna send it all back for more radiation. That's Judy's job here! So this is all set-up in advance And we have the paper trail on this. Lee Oswald and Judith Barry Baker both start their covered jobs at the Riley Coffee Company on May 10th, same day. They're both referred by the same employment agency. Neither one of them have skills to do the jobs they're hired for but they're hired for it anyway and they're both hired

50:43 Yeah i'm sure you've heard over the years that lee was a coffee grinder for the riley coffee company but he's not hired by the riley coffee company initially started by standard coffee which is their retail sales subsidiary of riley and the reason it's hard for that is because they have an xfbi agent. Running that division who can personally manage, their background checks and there words they don't want to find they don't wanna find the word cancer in judy's background you do types of twenty words a minute she's been no experience being hired as the executive secretary for the vp of the riley coffee company. Emily they don't wanna find the word russia it is this idea the cold war but he's coming

51:39 Pick up your note so they start there on may tenth and one week later we transfers from the rock of the standard coffee company to the riley coffee company, add a work there together now leave finds judy place to live i mean why is it feeding her you know stuff like that to keep her alive for couple weeks but find your place to live on magazine straight. Or near magazine street he actually lives on magazine street so he gets on the magazine street bus in the morning and heads down to riley coffee company and all the way they pick up judy was standing at the bus stop for the magazine street lee, i swallowed and judith baker go down to the rally coffee company arrived there together every morning you know it's not how the work commission doesn't figure this part out ok.

52:29 Right. I mean they could have asked the bus driver They said oh Lee doesn't have a car he must be taking the bus Let's go ask the bus driver, you know We know what time he arrives we know who the bus driver is Bus drivers know their regular customers, you know by sight You know and he would have said Oh Yeah That's the guy got on that girl when they used to sit together in the back, you know at any rate that that Gumshoe work never got done Okay And what they're actually doing at this job is it's a cover job they both show up and they do some work beginning of the week and then as we close on may start sneaking out after lunch, where are there going is over to david ferrie house that did this. We also meet judy and within twenty four hours he has introduced you to david fair.

53:23 Another twenty four hours mary sherman shows up at a party david ferris house right. I mean this stuff is not coincidental this is people with the game plan and they're pulling the pieces together and so leon judy go over to david ferris house in his house across the street, which we call mouse house and i was actually in this house because my girlfriend read it the apartment this wasn't later on And that's where they have the two thousand mice in cages and i have a couple of cuban guys there who when they get the signal they take fifty or sixty my sister i'm gonna cardboard box stick down the back roads over to david ferris house and they deliver these mice,

54:09 To judy and lee and fair and judy and lee kill the mice with formaldehyde or formula whatever it is using a terminate the mice they cut them i so can i cut out that. Largest tumors they throw men up blender they grind em up they filter room and put the sauce into test tubes and make slides and Judy has been trained to do all this, to do it safely. And then when they're finished, they put everything in a lunchbox. Judy cleans up the David Ferry's kitchen to laboratory standards, hides the special equipment in the cupboards that they use and then Judy takes the lunch box and goes stands out on Toledano Avenue which is where the Louisiana bus comes

54:55 And she gets on the bus and goes over to mary sherman's apartment and she's got a key to mary sherman's apartment. Add let yourself in sometimes you read so whatever but what she's doing there she is leaving the lunchbox, clinics full of the strongest cancer-causing viruses for Mary to look at and to take back to the machine and expose it to more radiation. So this is The Loop, and they are weaponizing this so they keep doing this. And what happens? Well after a while, they've killed their 2,000 mice

55:32 Right they know it works on mice. They need to find out if it works on primates so you know here they are now working on primates and they get some monkeys from South America called. marmosets, and it's killing the marmoset. So now they need to work their way up the evolutionary ladder and Tuan has got a bunch of green monkeys over at Delta and down at the Tuan Medical School actually but they inject the green monkeys with this and they start killing the green monkeys

56:08 And so now it's now the middle of the summer and moving towards the end of the summer, and they know this weapon works on mice and monkeys. And they have one last question, you know, will it work on a human? Right. OK. And they're developing all this to kill not only any human but fairly healthy Cuban by the name of Fidel Castro. And the question is where do you get a person that you can kill and nobody's going to miss. Well, they actually were doing that quite a bit in South Louisiana at the time particularly medical schools but the answer is you go to Angola Penitentiary which is up on Mississippi border and you get quote of volunteer off death row and you take their volunteer over to a mental hospital

57:07 Which is called the east louisiana state mental hospital in jackson louisiana not jackson mississippi jackson louisiana. Add this is a hospital for the criminally insane therefore it's got a big fence around guards at the gate you know there's a lot of security here so you don't just walk into your aunt mildred to sign and stuff like that add, So these people need to get this patient there they need to sneak the biological weapon on their with some people who are not part of the regular staff who can inject, the patient with a biological weapon then i gotta come back in a couple days and see if it works so. What happens is this mental hospital is about three and have four hours north of new orleans

57:59 Can all the stuff about osmo going up there and make a look crazy is nonsense cuz that's it the biggest mental hospital in louisiana at the time was mandoville which is right across the lake from new orleans unit. 45 minutes away it's not four hours away, So they drive up four hours and they need to run to it in the guy. They're gonna rendezvous with this van okay here comes a van from the penitentiary prison prisoner transfer right so it's got a big seal on the side that says louisiana department corrections bubble ball and its going from angola to this mental hospital what happens is

58:42 Lee oswald david ferry and a man by the name of clay shaw get in clay shaw's car which is actually owned by the international trademark but it's a big black catalog. And they drive up to the jackson area. Wait but i don't wanna wait in jackson cuz it's a little small town is one of those people you know black cat like stuff so they drive down the road about fifteen miles to a place called clinton louisiana, And Clinton, Louisiana's you know most states they call it the county seat. It's a parish seat in Louisiana but you know it's got a big courthouse there and and You know judges and lawyers and politicians are all Coming to go on from there and so a black Cadillac fits in pretty easily with air and They're gonna wait they're in front of the courthouse next to the payphone. Yes is in the days before cell phones and

59:38 And they're going to wait for a phone call. And the purpose of the phone call is to say, The prisoner has left Angola." I'm sure they have code words for this but that's their point at the end of the phone call. Sure. So they drive into this small town in rural Louisiana on a hot August afternoon No if you're better louisiana on august afternoon people are not hanging around the sunshine and so they expecting this whole thing in front of the courthouse to be empty. And basically they forgot to read the newspaper because, the day before all that happened was august twenty eighth and that's a day that martin luther king gave his i have a dream speech in washington dc

1:00:29 Because of that the congress on racial equality which was a national organization right now university chicago has arranged. Black voter registration drives all across the south to build on the momentum of king speech, okay so the congress on racial quality has set up a black road or voter registration drive in clinton louisiana So here's the same on one side of the square you got this line a black sweating to register to vote. On the other side, you got this buncha angry local whites with their arms crossed watching with contempt what's going on and in the middle he got his poor guy with a badge hoping there is not gonna be any trouble into the city drives the black cat like. K the marshal whose name is john manchester

1:01:27 Hey joe you know who these people are what the john manchester goes over to cadillac and pulls his badge says you know may i see your drivers. Identify driver's license and id please get up, add a guy pulls out his driver's license and he is identification says i am clay shaw of the international trademark I'll tell you how we know about the story in a second. But this same car, couple of minutes after that, this young white guy gets out of the backseat and he walks across his square and gets in line with the blacks to register to vote. He wants to see if they'll let him register just because he's white even though he doesn't even live there. We know who that guy is because when he got up there to register, he signed in and his name was Lee Harvey Oswald

1:02:23 So we've got clay show and lee harvey as well you remember jim garrison was talking about early but the essence to jim garrison's case was he had connected. Clay shop to leave her be as well right okay, will along comes the house select committee on assassinations in seventies and they subpoena this john manchester guy to come up to washington tell what happened a couple of tells them all story What they do is they take his testimony in executive session and stamp it secret for the next sixteen years the american people are deprived of knowing what their congressional inquiry told them back in the seventies is that they knew for sure.

1:03:15 That clay shop was connected to lee harvey oswald because they were seen together in clinton louisiana four hours north of new orleans and there's actually two other people in the car one of missus weird looking guy with an orange wig. Fake eyebrows you don't recognize that but david ferry and the other guys in uniform he was an employee of the hospital they were going to. So finally the phone rings and on the black cat like drives out to the highway intercepted van in the band goes by and i get a line behind it now pull up, do the gates with regards are and they look like a convoy

1:03:53 Okay and shaw's is big dignified looking guys driving a black cadillac they look in the car and there's a employee of the hospital in his uniform in the car so we have more. And that's how the prisoner and biological weapon get into the mental hospital. Add they get in there it's probably fairy who was famous for its ability to give injections, eject the guy with a biological weapon and then what they have to do is wait forty eight hours and see if it kicks in. And so there's, they have to do blood test well today i mean his blood tests are common easy but nineteen sixty three that were rare and only handful of people in the entire country who'd been trying to do him and one of them was judith very baker cuz she had been trying to do all that up at roswell park cancer center

1:04:43 And so she has to now get driven from new orleans remember where four hours of four hours back that's eight hours a drive time and a couple hours up there so this is a whole nother day. Two days later it's august thirty first and lee oswald drives judy just the two of them, from new orleans up to jackson louisiana In an old green car from nineteen forty is called a kaiser and they are seen by several people in there one of which is the barber who i dc car and lee went in for haircut course you need a haircut barbers notice stuff like that's a barbara trying to figure out what's going on with this guy. And then he sees that there's woman sitting in this car, and we had said you know when i get job over this metal hospital how do i do that so we gotta go talk to the.

1:05:36 Local legislator he's got to pull around here so it gives them the name reads morgan and the address of lee drives out to reach morgan's house to talk to read send it does this is a war commission. And raises daughter is there and she goes on the porch and she notices old beat up, Green car out there and she notices there's a woman sitting on the front seat so when garrison starts investigating this stuff in late sixties his guys here about clinton they go up to clinton and i start interviewing people may find mary morgan if i'm the barber. Okay and they know there is a woman driving around with lee oswald, in the soul green car at the end of august in nineteen sixty three

1:06:22 And they assume it's Marina. So they asked Marina and she says, no that's not me I never went up there so now they've got a problem Yeah Now they know there's somebody else working with Lee Oswald and it's got something to do with this mental hospital up in Jackson and I don't think Garrison understood what he had his hands on right? I mean these guys are Deliberately killing humans to test the effectiveness of biological weapons and they're doing it in a state-owned facility. It's a much bigger story than the assassination of one president

1:07:05 What just keeps going i mean the stories like topsy you know he just keeps growing and any rate judy remember judys in this to find a cure for cancer. You know cuz of her grandmother and she didn't sign up for murder you know and she writes a note of protest to doctor osher and osher flips out because it's doing stuff like this rule one is don't put anything in writing Yeah, yeah. Okay well she put something in writing and Aschner just flips out you know he tells Judy I mean this is a direct quote that Judy told me herself she said you are lucky you are getting out of New Orleans with your teeth in your mouth

1:07:44 Okay so he reneged on his offer of medical school, he tells her she is now out of medicine and don't show up again. And that she's out of new orleans and so she gets ready to go back to florida in fact she does go back to florida dave very helps her find a job down there Just shows you I mean CIA mafia that they are connections and all these labs, right? They get her a job there and fairy calls her up in and tells he said look this is the last time. I'm going to be able to call you And if you keep your mouth shut They will not kill you if you open your mouth they will kill you

1:08:28 Okay, so she is told this in the fall. I mean September October after she leaves there and fairy because of his connection with the mafia and the CIA and stuff knows all about the sports betting lines that are Go through the phone company And so he's got access to make untraceable long-distance phone calls He knows how to do it because it's all been set up by the mob but people were being paid and stuff and So he sets it up so that Judy and Lee both of whom are almost like family to him at this point. They've been in and out of his apartment all summer long, and he cares about them and stuff. He sets it up where they can talk to each other. I mean, he knows they're in love and stuff you know? And so Judy is talking to Lee

1:09:16 On a regular basis all throughout the fall all the way up to the time of the assassination and lee knows he's been set up. Okay we tell judy as early as july twenty ninth that's a, A month before this situation and i'm jackson was talking about on july twenty ninth details judy i got really bad news for you. These guys are gonna murder president kennedy and they're setting me up to take the blame. Alright so lee knows he's in deep doo-doo. Okay, yeah and So you know he keeps trying to think of a way He can get out the problem is he's got his wife and two daughters there And his fear these people play really rough and His fear is that if he bolts or does anything? To stop this or interfere with it that they will kill his wife and children mm-hmm

1:10:17 Even if he just disappears ok actually some evidence they did that to somebody else who is involved in all this stuff too but i'm not getting off of that rabbit hole the. So judy is down in florida watching all the stuff on television when a can i get skilled and she release been arrested you know and her fears are just like top of the. Top of the whatever the topic is right yeah pretty intense for her yeah and she's on sunday morning shoes over to friends house watching television when they bring me out and shoot him, add now this is a man she's in love with planning on a loping with and he should spend murdered

1:10:57 On national television while she's watching right? She freaks out, you know she said she immediately ran to the bathroom and threw up and she doesn't remember anything for 15 20 minutes and And um You know It's a traumatic experience and Judy frankly has post-traumatic stress syndrome from all this as I think anybody would I mean so horrible scenario yeah And, you know, Judy tries to go on with her life from that. But the... That's my introduction if you will. I'll be back in a little bit to fill you in on some other things on this because again this story just keeps going like an octopus so... Sure just to put a finer point on it we can assume that the murder of Dr Mary was kind of part of a big cover up of this whole campaign right?

1:11:55 Well, remember that question when I come back because that's a good question but it doesn't have the obvious answer. The rabbit hole runs so deep and there's so many details that we're not going to get to, but they are in the book. I recommend everybody check it out! It's just an amazing story. I know you've been retelling it for a long time and I appreciate you revisiting it here again today. I would love to see people picking up that book not only to dig deeper but also just to thank you for all the tedious work you've done, the risk you took in bringing it out. You really should be getting an award for this thing but before we go please remind people where to get it and where to follow up

1:12:35 Well basically you can get it anywhere you buy books in a bookstore is amazon it's really available everywhere if u wanna signed copy or want to see other videos etc on this you go to my website which is dr mary monkey dot com but spell out doctor. It's available in audio book, it's available on Kindle and electronic e-books. Hardcover soft cover you know pretty much anyway you want it right on DrMarysMonkey.com Perfect again thank you so much and take care yourself out there Ed much appreciated

1:13:17 Wow guys there it is what a story I'm sure it's new to most of you. It certainly was new to me even though Ed's been putting out there for quite awhile This is a case of don't judge a book by its cover for me because there were a couple times where I helped Ron Patton set up a paranoia books slash conspiracies booth at the farmers market here in San Diego. And so all day, I'm walking around these books and he puts this one out and I saw it and I thought two things one i'm kind of sick hearing about JFK It's been done to death and all that stuff And two, because it's been so extensively researched by conspiracy authors I highly doubt based on the subtitle that this huge piece of the puzzle was missed by everybody else. How stupid was i? Because this is so much bigger than JFK and now I can totally see how it was missed and people like Garrison were really tiptoeing right around at the time

1:14:08 But I love this work and the book to me has a lot of evidence in it that i think i can say is credible. Ed does a great job of backing up the case And I mean what do you do with the thought that the entire chemotherapy industry, which makes about 50 billion a year conveniently is there to haphazardly fix a problem caused by the polio vaccine years earlier? and the idea that the polio epidemic was only because we introduced antibiotics large scale which was only needed because of the massive number of injuries from war another human created thing. It's one hell of a domino effect you gotta say

1:14:46 And with everything we've heard about eugenics, especially this story being just a rough decade after World War II and Project Paperclip I would want to dig deeper into determining if this really was an accident or something darker. We know at the very least they continued giving out the vaccine after they already knew it had this cancer-causing monkey virus in it But I'll also quote Ed's book here, because I wrote this down. When talking about Judy Baker he says, She was led into this biological weapons project with patriotic zeal... she was hoping to deliver the knockout punch to rid the world of a communist dictator who had threatened the US with nuclear missiles. She believed what she was told

1:15:25 She was not told that the project was run by maniacs who may have actually wanted to rid the world of its promiscuous, impoverished and underproductive underclass by perfecting a sexually transmitted disease. Now he used the word may which is worth emphasizing but I have those same suspicions But what do I know? One question we should ask is can we stop messing with things that should be just left to nature already. Of course, antibiotics are at least a net positive right? I don't want to sound like one of those Christian scientist people who would rather focus conscious attention on a sick kid than bring him medicine. Obviously we've made some progress but there's a lot of gray area that the proponents of western medicine

1:16:09 probably are overlooking, and it makes one wonder if we'd be better off sticking with plant-based medicines and proper diets and chalk the rest up to whatever happens happens. And even I throw up in my mouth a little bit when I say plant based medicines because were so conditioned to roll our eyes and laugh at that idea as fake medicine or medicine light you know when you have a serious problem then you just go to the doctor and get something to knock it out That's the way most people think, if they consider plant-based medicines at all really. But I will say that anyone who wants to make the case that Western medicine and the major organizations that run it have been a disaster this polio cancer story should really be your exhibit A followed by CDCs Tuskegee experiments most likely

1:16:56 Anyway, I really liked this show. There were a couple details that I don't think we mentioned that I wanted to throw out here but one is Dr Mary's autopsy also showed that her heart had been pierced with surgical precision on top of the damage from the burns and they know that the heart wound is what killed her because indications showed the heart was still beating at the time of that puncture Ed typically says that it was probably a mercy killing after the major damage caused by the burns. It's hard to know exactly how it played out or if it was an initial accident or whatever, but clearly the goal was to keep this project a secret Also JFK was killed on November 22nd 1963 Dr Mary died just one week later on November 29th The day the Warren Commission started To me thats probably

1:17:45 Too big of a coincidence, I think that suggests it was part of the Slash and Burn cover up after Oswald was put out all over the news. Also, the head developer for the Merck Corporation at the time Maurice Hilleman comes up in this story as well. I think he's on record saying that there was a cancer-causing virus in the vaccine and he went onto develop the sugar cube version of the vaccine which wasn't much better but when I hear Merck I perk up you should too! Think of Merck as the Monsanto of the medical world they're bad news And they've had whistleblowers try to speak out about things like the HPV vaccine, which might just be the HPV virus now. I'm not sure how confident I am saying that the HPV vaccine causes cancer with all this new information—that's a little fuzzy—but at the very least, the MRR vaccine? It's pretty well established in The Alternative that they fudged some data there and hid the fact it increased autism rates in African American kids

1:18:42 It's hard to know who to trust in this world, but I definitely don't trust Merck. Something else that I really wanted to get into with Edd but wasn't able to was the fact that this polio vaccine it did spread overseas and I wanted to talk about maybe countries that are inoculated and ones that weren't and what the cancer data today shows But man there is just so much There are a lot of layers and little added details that really strengthen the case I also have to thank a listener named Keith who actually sent me the book and forced my hand into actually reading it. Big thanks to him because this case really opened my eyes for sure Today was a bit of a different split between the free and plus shows because Ed wanted to take a little break so there was kind of a natural stopping point, and a teaser for the second hour

1:19:31 But we also got into how this saga ties into the HIV AIDS thing, which we were told was a mutated monkey virus. Hmm... gotta wonder about that! Also some amazing revelations about Ted Cruz and his family and his father's connections to Oswald and other threads of this story That's some of Edd's latest work into this massive pile of information. It just keeps unraveling into more and more, but we also talked about the Zika virus and Edd's thoughts on it with all he knows about this other story Lots of interesting stuff great time to sign up for THC+. You might notice that This is the first episode with bullet-pointed and detailed show notes We made it people! We got those extra 50 sign ups

1:20:14 I fudged the numbers a bit because i didn't subtract people who cancelled in that time period but it is what it is. I think this makes the episodes easier to research and easier to reference later, I just love it they're doing a great job and of course I'm still trying to clear out conspirites $12 apiece people for most of them head over to conspirities dot net let me put a shirt in a bag for you and then I can launch T-shirt company 2.0 And I made this new little closing ad thing, that kind of just details all the info of what comes with PLUS and all those things that i never really want to say and always kinda half-ass. But what's important is in there that PLUS members won't ever hear otherwise, is that I'm starting up a once month THC newsletter It's gonna come out on the first of every month

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1:21:56 But that's really it for me. Things are coming together really well and I'm getting the process streamlined, and hopefully we will have a reliable release schedule coming up And i know A lot of people like the idea of that 5 shows in a month is fair but It'd be nicer if we knew exactly which days they were coming out. I'll acknowledge that Of course I think The Higher Side Chats is a solid show and I've been doing it now long enough to know exactly how long I need to prepare how long my outline needs to be, all these kind of things. And I do think some of the surrounding elements around what makes up a podcast could be improved and so now i'm able to dive into those things and we're getting closer every day like the app and show notes and now the THC newsletter on the first of every month Look at this stupid stoner getting all organized you can't be the exception any rule

1:22:47 It just takes a little bit of extra effort. And that's probably going to be it for me this week, definitely check out Dr Mary's Monkey and show Edd a little love at his website let him know he didn't waste his time here today it's got to be so frustrating to have such information and be screaming it from the rooftops and making such a great detailed book and then not getting the proper attention So lets ease that frustration Let them know we were listening And with that, I'm getting out of here. Your move Monkey Virus Vaxxers and your cancer-causing corporate eugenics campaigns... YOUR FUCKING MOVE! Have a drink in the smoke Listen to the cast We shine a shiny spotlight Put criminals on blast The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance

1:23:44 DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance The kids don't The kids don't stand The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't The kids don't stand The kids don't stand a chance We're looking for the answers To questions never asked So we come to the cartwood for the higher side chats The pinstripe men of mourning and families of finance

1:24:25 DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance The kids don't The kids don't stand The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't The kids don't stand The kids don't stand a chance Involved in shady business We try to get a glance We're working on the number Resistance must advance The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance

1:25:27 The kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance