Dr. Heather Lynn | The Anunnaki Revelation, Elite Ritual Contact, & The Palladium Rite

00:14 The planet's puppet masters all most surely have a plan There clearly may be something there being until We thoroughly tested every last close-dressed view I find the more we think, we know Without T.A.C. Clean or lying to us Just don't know to what degree

00:57 The higher side chats show Greg Carl wouldn't come Hocus Pocus and abracadabra, higher side chatters doing the thing from the sunshine state. I'm Greg Carlwood and we have long speculated that the ruling class might be tapping into some unadvertised source of power of a more occult flavor while crafting a dominant cultural belief that mocks such ideas as pure fantasy with common people celebrating their own ignorance of unseen forces But when you go back to the most ancient writings we have, this is exactly what they describe in a few fragments that we do have available from a highly sophisticated Sumerian society often written off as primitive. They relay information about god-like beings sometimes hybrids in physical form who gave them the very ideas that engineered organized civilizations city states and of course kingship and while

01:52 While narratives of ancient alien astronauts tend to dominate the obscure corners where people actually are interested in these things, the truth is likely a lot more metaphysical. Well maybe these eternally twisted timeless cosmic trickster knockies knew exactly what they were doing when they inspired them? Maybe the big secret is that the players in the Big Power Pyramid have maintained a connection to these beings since Babylon right on through today, and they are happy to let us believe anything but that. Who knows for sure, but that is definitely how I feel after reading the latest book from today's return guest Dr. Heather Lynn Anunnaki Revelation Hidden History Altered States and The Mystery of Humanity You might remember her from a show we did just about a year ago today largely about her book Baphomet Revealed with a little evil archaeology on the side But today were diving deep into our true passion and expertise The Annunaki and the Origins of Human Civilization

02:51 As for her background, Heather's undergraduate training was in archaeology and information technology which led to a masters in history followed by a doctorate in education from the University of New England and a doctorate in comparative religion. You can find her books courses and The Midnight Academy podcast on her website drheatherlynne.com And it's a real pleasure to have her back the renegade archaeologist elite power investigator and academic devil agent Dr Lynn Medicine Woman welcome back Thank you so much for having me. It's really great to be back and I like Dr. Quinn. Dr. Lynn Medicine Woman! That's an old one. I may have to start using that with a disclaimer that I am not a physician

03:35 I love it. So the last one we did was very, very well liked we have a ratings plugin on the website and I looked at it before this and it's still at a 4.9 out of five. I mean really? It doesn't get any better than that you can't please everyone but that's about as close as it gets The book that you shared with me really hits at the sweet spot that I think a lot of people miss when they're talking about this sort of stuff. So, I'm really excited that it's coming out in February and to start us off you really do take the study of the Anunnaki and ancient civilizations in a different direction so if there are people listening who are like oh this again? You know I've seen Ancient Aliens 1000 times I've heard hours of content about stitching

04:23 Talk to us about the approach you take and how your conclusions are just so far different than the typical Anunnaki discourse that's out there. Well, I think it starts with the fact that I wasn't really interested in this to begin with I, uh...it kind of fell on me. It's like, I always joke that I didn't choose the Anunnaki life. The Annunaki life chose me! So I ended up writing a special report some years ago about a Sumerian excavation that was going on in Iraq and I started falling down this little rabbit hole. I was just looking into some leads and I found a lot of different bottlenecks

05:03 and information. And I looked at it with this first, this lens that maybe what was going on was just a lack of transparency. I started looking into who was funding the operation? Why was it not being told to us like you would expect There was a little byline out there from a PR campaign, like hey new excavation happening for the first time in decades because of the nature of the area being so war-torn and whatnot. It was just a little article and I I followed up on it. I had an interview scheduled with the lead archaeologist from the University of Manchester, and he wanted the questions that I was going to ask him ahead of time. And I was like, that's fine! So before I did that, I went to my social media and just said hey y'all you have any questions for uh... The Archaeologists? Of course I got a lot of different questions and a lot of them came around topics like Anunnaki or something like Stargates. That was a popular one and I thought okay

06:03 I was completely ghosted and really sort of disrespected after that with like, with like who would talk to me, who wouldn't. And I thought that's interesting perhaps they just thought I was a kook and they didn't want to bother with it but i just had a nagging feeling and I had gotten an email from a local who was saying please help us they're taking out our artifacts It was sort of broken English...it was hard to understand what exactly they wanted me to do uh I think it was just because I had a popular blog at the time

06:42 And I thought, you know what? Something is pulling at me. This isn't right and I really wanted to know more so of course I followed the money. Then I did end up finding that it had ties to big oil. And then elite families...I thought that's also interesting and weird. So I started going down this whole You know, bloodlines. So it integrated the question of say the Bush family dynasty in particular and their connections to oil and I just kept like researching and going down this so-called rabbit hole And over time I thought you know i'm not real sure that there's stargates and i'm not real sure that there's like aliens but they sure are hiding something! Then the more that I looked into it...the more I though

07:25 Okay, well maybe there's not start. Well what is a Stargate? Well first of all before I discount this What is a star gate another thing is like well What would these aliens be and so trying to just look at it and not just dismiss it outright and try to really understand? the claims were. And I just got kind of really almost addicted to it because I just didn't have any answers and the more i looked into it, the more either outlandish the claims were or completely dismissive. It was just like there was either hey these are like aliens from this planet and they are building these spaceships circa 1960's with nuts and bolts and they're flying around and it's just like either that

08:06 Or no, there's no such thing. In fact there is not even alien life forget it. Just way different and then the way that people would treat others who would ask these questions was also dismissive like almost offended at the idea that you would suggest perhaps earlier in our Earth history or prehistory that there could have been ancient alien contact It's like, why is it so unusual? I mean there are papers plenty about panspermia and you know it's again how are you defining alien. And so just this...it seemed like it was filled with propaganda and all of this cults of personality and so you mentioned Sitchin too that was of course a big one

08:47 I wondered, is there anything to these claims? And so I started going on deep dives into that. And I think the thing that troubled me was Sitchin although I really enjoyed this grand narrative you know trying to kind of put everything together and i love the creative aspect of being able to look at the past and say maybe what if let's start somewhere instead of nowhere and just shutting down ideas But the problem that I really came across with Sitchin was more about the cult of personality aspect of it. He also has become sort of a dogmatic figure where there is if you go against what Sitchin says then oh my gosh, You're just one of them or you don't believe and it's now turned into a question of belief as opposed to just trying to investigate the truth and

09:32 So that was troubling as well. So, that is just something that I started thinking about how can i expand out these sources? And I just basically took a more academic approach and said let's just look at the sources primary secondary and I've been on that search ever since and it led me to question Really terminology, you know again as saying something like aliens extraterrestrials as we've talked about before I also do research with things like demons demonology Like how are we dividing these these terms? You know Like how do we know that an alien isn't a demon isn't an elf. Isn't who knows what I mean These are very subjective

10:13 terms for something that would be considered supernatural or maybe even metanatural. And it also crosses cultures and times, languages and understandings...and so I think before anybody does anything we have to really look at the terms that we're using. That's sort of the approach that I took is strip it down to the bare bones and look at the phenomenology of the situation. What are people throughout time explaining that they have experienced firsthand. What and what do we have in common with those experiences? And when you do that, you see that people 4,000 years ago and more had similar experiences to people right now when it comes to things like encounters or visions that they may see or experiences that they have. So those are the things I was interested in really just trying to figure out not necessarily the grand narrative

11:01 Hoping that that narrative could emerge if I were to try to remove all of the sort of cultural symbolism around it and look at the The bare bones sort of take an Occam's razor to it and see what things are similar What do we share is like maybe human universals? If we were to go so far as to claim there could be such things And that's where it sort of brought me in my first book was the Anunnaki connection where I started to put it all together and say I'm seeing some connections here, right? I didn't really have a huge like boom in your face. Like this is what i've discovered it was more about you know trying to get people to understand the many different ways people looked at this being a little bit of a primer too so if you don't know about the Anunnaki I would feel that this would be a good book to pick up to say here are all the different viewpoints and here's some things I've discovered and I've asked people questions and where are we going with

11:54 it. You know, I did come out with more questions than answers and so I thought...I have to keep working on this! And so I have for years and I have the new book Anunnaki Revelation where this is the one where I say okay it's been years and I feel like, I'm hesitant to say that I figured anything out because i really leery of people who say, I know what the answer is. Because you don't you just we just don't right but I feel like I've made stronger connections and I feel a little more confident in my position on it now the position that's not final but is anchoring me to my next sort of venture in research if you will yes I agree and that is a great setup for this

12:32 And language is really tricky. It's a great tool, but it's used for mind control because you can just use certain terms and change the way people think about certain things. Yes Stargate and portal are are very epic words and we think of them in a Hollywood sense, but you can put certain things in your mouth and open up a quote unquote portal of communication with something by this afternoon. So like that's a portal, but people doubt these things so when it comes to the new book I like this quote, It really sums it up and then we can kind of fill in all the data that makes this hypothesis the most likely,

13:13 The evidence suggests that we are not dealing with biological beings from another planet, nor simply symbolic projections of the human psyche. What emerges instead is a third possibility – the Anunnaki are ultra-terrestrials. These entities if they existed would not travel in spacecraft but operate through consciousness energy and form They would be native to Earth's metaphysical landscape, revealing themselves only in states of altered perception or through encoded rituals such as the ones hinted at in the Mushroom Tablets of Uruk. This interpretation opens new questions not just about who the Anunnaki were but about their very nature of contact consciousness and civilization itself

13:54 This is the lens I will use throughout the book. The Anunnaki may not have been myths or astronauts, but rather ultra-terrestrial intelligences that moved through human consciousness our civilizations and perhaps even our future technologies Well, that's well said. I'm very into it and there is even a quote at the bottom of your Amazon authors page that says archaeology isn't just about what we find its about what we've been told to forget and I think that is the kind of thing that makes this really provocative for people like me who just want to know out of spite if I am being denied access to some important knowledge. But what would you say to make the case that this information has been intentionally hidden, suppressed and misdirected to obscure the real truth and the implications that are at the core of

14:43 the narrative you lay out in this book? It goes so far back as the beginning of the founding of the Sumerian records. Really, it's um... You know it came about during a time where people were very different and their mindset so like the Victorian era Edwardian era in England primarily and they were elitist that England had a caste system and arguably still does to some degree So is very class conscious and elite Christian as well. There were a lot of sociocultural factors at play here, so when they discovered some of these artifacts and were able to date them and particularly the texts when they dated back to pre-biblical text but they had biblical stories in them that kind of corresponded with the Hebrew accounts...that was sort of a problem because if you are dealing with a somewhat Christian society

15:39 then what do you do? What do you do with that information?" Of course, the people who are discovering this whether or not they had a religious reasoning or they were devout it's really not here nor there. It's just the ethos at the time and they were looking at it in like another elitist sort of position sort of an noblesse oblique like we know better we're not going to crumble society by telling you this you don't need to know. So it's a need-to-know basis, so they didn't go out in any sort of amazing campaign and say hey guys look what we found! We found these great tablets that talk about Noah's Ark before Noah's Ark and they didn't do that at all they didn't think the people needed to know now and so they just studied them and tried to research them and it was very closed group

16:19 Well, that's sort of like a lie by omission right there to kick off the whole thing. And then over time it really started to get involved more so in geopolitics and something that if you really look at the history of the region and when a lot of this started coming to ahead pre-World War I You have figures like Gertrude Bell, who later was called Lawrence of Arabia. He was involved and figures who were working with British intelligence unapologetically this is what they were doing and they were working in Iraq and discovering things but they also called the Kingmakers

16:59 And these individuals were highly influential in trying to go to Bedouin tribes and individuals, and try to make alliances. Put people against other people, and really redefine the Middle East, and draw the geography and maps the way they wanted them too. So a lot of this was done by actual archaeologists—very famous archaeologists So, archaeology for a long time has been somewhat tainted I would say with two huge things. One the earliest is that it was coming out of what was essentially a hobby of the gentry. It was a field of antiquarianism where individuals with obscene amounts of money you know literally Downton Abbey if anybody is familiar with that the Highclere Castle was well the people who owned Highclere Castle they actually were the ones who discovered King Tut's tomb

17:50 and brought all of those things back, housed them in the basement of Highclere Castle aka Downton Abbey. And so yes eventually some of these things make it to the museums etc but you have at one point a time where it was only the elite who were able to have the time and money to travel fund these excavations and exploit the people on the ground to try to look for artifacts. They would take the artifacts and they would just bring them home into what they call their cabinet of curiosities, which was more so a big room private museum essentially . And it was great fun you know hey let's do this and we'll be the hit of the parties in London season coming up will tell everybody about the mummies that we had maybe taste a few because I did that too

18:31 So strange times but over time the socio-economic situation was changing. The war was about to happen and when the war did happen people started looking around saying our young men died, what are we doing? What's going on? The economy is different and people were not so happy with those people with So the Antiquarians had an idea that we just can't stop doing our hobby. This is what we do, and we don't want to give up our artifacts! So they kind of got together and said... We're going to switch this up and make it a science. We are making archaeology. And before you come and loot and steal

19:07 our loot that we've looted, we're going to donate it to a museum for the public. And so it's on loan and so we have this whole system of the public trust then." So it started a little shady as most things do right? I mean, it is what it is but When you hear people now act like this is a hard science and it's filled with ethics, no. It's not try there are ethics involved it is not a hard science they use hard science tools but its still soft science where there's lot of interpretation left

19:43 So they have now a veneer that's been placed over the years on archaeology to make it seem more legitimate. And again, it's not saying it's illegitimate It's just simply let's not deny where it came from right knowing that that's where it started it wasn't long before you have people who are leveraging it for nefarious things like, well spycraft. And that's a huge one at the time where now we needed to figure out at that time...it was mostly this was going on in Britain and the Allied forces were kind of involved as well. This was pre-World War I and then the run up to World War I and during all this time they saw archaeology is a great way

20:21 start leveraging soft power and also hiding what they were actually doing. So you could go out there and say that you're just here for a curiosity, you can buy people off because remember the elites are still behind it, they still have money, they're stil paying, it's just whatever we find will put in a museum wink-wink ya know? They go and they see that this is a great opportunity now to mix it up with the corporate world, mostly oil. And they want control of the region. They want control of everything. So the modern Middle East as we understand it now has been chopped up and rezoned

20:57 and really sort of redefined by these people. And it is directly tied to archaeology, and so we're living in the shadow of that still to this day our global strife now often is tied to the way they drew the map, so to speak, and the people and alliances that they've tried to force upon others, and the people that they had taken out of power and placed other people in power and just did all this they're wearing pith helmets and saying they're finding pottery. And this is a lot of what they were doing, and they actually still are doing it! It's not even a secret you can find as I put in the book records from the government in Britain itself kind of lays out all of the different things about it so it's like oh isn't that a fun fact? Yeah yeah

21:41 Yeah, it really is interesting. And I think a lot of people already have a good basis for Anunnaki 101 and what some of the key tablets say and then the council and Enki and Enlil and that kind of stuff but the question that you kinda pose in the book is like was this for our benefit because you always hear, well they gave us knowledge and knowledge is thought to be good. Who doesn't want knowledge? But they gave us knowledge of how to centralize like we could say civilized but really how to centralize and Power needs centralization. That's what creates an elite is to centralize around a city and all this stuff has been framed as really great, and I'm not saying I want to be 100 gather but

22:28 But it's just interesting at that time, if these ideas come from beings that are outside of time and can seed ideas well in advance. It seems like the knowledge they gave was how to create a power elite. And then you have that 1% who is in league with these beings and maybe as you talk about in the book, maybe still is. Maybe one of the big secrets of history is that the Anunnaki have been giving them ideas this whole time on how to keep and maintain power I think that's just a fascinating idea and it takes you to all kinds of interesting places in the book but help make that case because when i think about ancient aliens for example, the idea is so popular. Well why? Because they put it in a materialist context so yes you have

23:20 the unfortunate documents and tablets that are out there so people know some of the story. But if you can twist it to put it in a materialist context, well then these are beings that either died because their life expired or they left. So that's an old thing. Don't pay attention to that. That's an old thing but when you put it in the metaphysical context, it could be an evergreen kind of thing help us understand how like what would you look at to say in the last 100 years or 50 years or even today that this is still like a mechanism power utilizes, it's connecting to these beings. You basically hit the nail on the head exactly when you look at this through just a materialist lens it's easy then to get caught up with the whole idea of propulsion uh what do their spaceships look like? What DO their spaceships look like and you know and while I'm not discounting that because

24:08 There are things that we can't explain and I'm not going to say it's not aliens in some sort of spacecraft or perhaps they are Projects we're doing. I mean, that's a whole other thing in my view I feel that there's a lot of things happening at once but from my perspective when I look at the phenomena itself and all the things where it kind of ties together again, I kind of go back to language the first instances where you have of individuals who are sort of I guess, communing with something other. Something outside of themselves is basically what is called shamanism so people in cave systems you know we get these stories that they're seeing entities there they're doing all these things but then how were they doing that? How are they hearing other voices? How are they communing? Of course you could say well they had epilepsy...that's a very common accepted view as if a lot of people had epilepsy then and that's fine and you could say they were schizophrenic

25:05 thought to, although there's Julian Jaynes a Princeton psychologist who wrote fantastic book about bicameralism talking about how we were all kind of a little schizophrenic and that s kind of you know, why we're different. We had a breakdown of our brain from something that was more unified to like bicameral so like two parts sort of like the idea about the Master and the Emissary book that sort of idea So there's some interesting things it could say well Of course were just hearing voices as an epiphenomena of the brain It is simply medicalizing it so enough said fine but But it's still something happening. It's still going on and it was something that changed the course of human evolution and human history, so even if it was just an epiphenomenon you...it's just impossible to discount the importance of the things that we find in the cave systems. So the first musical instruments jawbone flutes like flutes that are actually built on a scale so that you can have harmony and art. In fact one of my favorite examples is

26:08 This particular I think it's Lescow. It may not be so correct me if I'm wrong But there is a cave system that featured A room with a lot of different animals who looked like they were half done and they thought forever that this was just Maybe a practice room that they never really finished it or there were some weird ones with like deer with three legs five legs Many legs, and he thought this is just strange until not that long ago, maybe about six years ago now? Seven years. An archaeologist went in there they didn't have any electricity and you're not really allowed to go so far back but he had a special privilege to be able to and he went back there with a torch

26:46 as they would have in the past. What he saw, he was floored because the flickering light of fire played off of the walls and texture so much that it looked as though those animals were moving. Yeah, original animation! Exactly. So that showed that they had what's called persistence of vision, it's that phenomenon that if you draw a little stick figure on a pad of paper and flip it or if you have a flashlight and you whip it around and you see it trail I mean that's something we have but not only did they have it neurologically, they leveraged it for something for communication, for art, for story

27:26 So that's high-level thinking, that's abstraction. And that is what separates us from a lot of the other animals most of the animals they think maybe corvids are a little bit different that we can abstract out and stuff research is still out but arguably this ability to have a narrative in a story and put these ideas together are really what make us human. It started in the caves and did that just come from us just kind of having like a thought But then the question is, what are our thoughts? The ancients believed we were empty vessels and that what we had... This is a little negative sounding but that we were empty and that basically we were just a vessel for the passing spirits that would just inhabit us. And so if you remember Bob Lazar recently had sort of come out and said a little something that was what he had heard

28:17 I didn't go into it in much more detail, but kind of mentioned that thing. And so it's not a new idea. It's a very ancient idea. It also is tied into the mummies where you see the elongated heads? That's another one that says oh there are proof of aliens and it's like well... The reason that individuals had that tradition was because they were afraid with this soft opening of the baby skull, you know, it's very soft bones aren't fused yet But they thought that could enable demons to enter. And they wanted to bind that and make sure they were protected, and eventually that formed their skull. I'm not saying this is the case with every skull ever found but it's a clear case of why they did it. So it really draws us back though to this question of spirits like

29:03 disembodied voices. Yeah, and the modern day elite still like putting some stock in this very much so very much So and the face of it has changed so this idea being inspired? So The ways that ancient people were able to be inspired before involved what anthropologists call orgiastic activities so things like drum circles or actual sexual orgies, things that involved people getting together and sort of ginning each other up and getting excited and being on rhythm. Sort of like Burning Man you know something that was really just getting together and then we all kind of see the spirit or what have you? That's been established in shamanism when you go though to say Sumer where we actually start history by recording it you have something similar

29:47 but it's only a small group of people that are allowed to then commune with these so-called voices or these other things. We could call them spirits, and spirit carries a religious tone so again there's... I like to call them discarnate entities, entities with no body whatever that looks like to you just whatever you want but these discarnate entities you see now in Sumer as they're building a civilization not everybody is in touch with these entities Some people are, and those people are called the priest class. It's a whole different class of people they're the priests right? And these priests were priests because they knew the language they knew the words They kept that language sacred so that

30:30 the other people, the profane shall we say didn't have the right language and so only they had the language of the gods to communicate. So they were the intermediary which carried great control because imagine you could say well you know the gods told me if you don't do this then that and so you get that middleman. You have a priest class and then you have just this power elite now we could call them the technocratic elite earlier you could call them magicians the magi so you could call them priests magicians. What is magic? Right, magic is a technology that we just don't understand you know if we have a technology so we could now just call those the technocrats So it doesn't really matter It's the again the underlying phenomenon here in the different names and we're living with the same thing over and over again but just calling it something different

31:20 Currently, yes. The way that people in positions of power are trying to play on the periphery of creativity and the so-called fringes and try to be inspired for now what we call it like innovation they do certain things I mentioned Burning Man that was popular for a while with a lot of people going there too It's just a little less popular now, I think because what happens happens is when it becomes popular, then the people who fancy themselves thought leaders start to say, oh, it's the Hoi Poloi you're in. Let's go do something else." Right? So I mean, you could say that about anything but... That was sort of one venture. And through that, a lot of newer people younger people open minded people have been using mostly psychedelics or different sort of substances to try to then get in touch with some sort of innovative spirit or something and again what you see in just the most casual accounts particularly with things like DMT these are not just like visions

32:17 They're often entities. They appear as entities, then communicate and then give ideas. And so again we have the same thing over and over again where somebody somehow gets into a trance whether it be through I don't know hearing jawbone flutes and drumming and who knows what all the way to Sumerian activities, which we weren't really sure of. We know they did a lot of drinking with beer and they were very big on beer but that's not necessarily going to have the same sort of psychedelic effect. That was the area that I started to venture into as well because my interest has been in the Anunnaki and that civilization in Mesopotamia. So, that's what led me to look into what other ways might the Sumerians have altered their perceptions? To perhaps get in touch with these discarnate entities who they called the Apkallu. And that's when I discovered there had been discussion if you're familiar with The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross a very popular book in the beginning of that

33:15 The author discusses the Sumerian record and the possibility that they were also engaged in using psychedelics. The unfortunate part is he doesn't really, he never really went back to flesh that out And so I started there and looked into that, and that took me down another path. That I was surprised that it wasn't necessarily mushrooms by themselves but other things as well. And I did find evidence to suggest that the Sumerians were in fact using substances and doing so in a ritualistic way very different than just you know, recreational and they associated them with the Apkallu. The entities and so here we have a similar thing happening over and over again across time

33:58 distance and cultures that you have people doing things to alter their consciousness. They get in touch with some sort of entity or they perceive it to be an entity, they gain knowledge that hadn't been there before that's somehow innovative. They take that knowledge they share it with humanity but that's also power and depending on what they do often what we see is they use that power over the other people who don't have access to that information And then we see more systems of control built. Right, and it just keeps going. And if you think about these entities as having their own agency where they can appear to anyone like they might only selectively appear to people that they see having power on this plane but you have some great pictures in the book of the Anunnaki and the tablet drawings we've seen a bunch of times

34:47 The pine cone, the handbag, the wristwatch. But you do connect it to what you call the cult of the poppy and a ritual that you call the Hul Gil Rite. Hul Gil meaning joy plant in Sumerian. And I think your right we'll throw some images on the screen but when you look at the wrist watch it is a flower! a poppy flower in particular. And yeah, there might not be anything in the handbag but the pine cone you know everyone's always associated that with knowledge you have this weird hybrid entity holding a pine cone out as if it would like inject it right into a person's third eye and when you have the wristwatch connection that its poppies it's like yeah okay here it is and then I kind of was thinking about

35:32 The whole continuity you talked about the priest classes yes and then from the priest classes you get the secret societies and the Freemasons, this group of people that have a real esoteric metaphysical flavor to their organization that is also a network of power. And what do you do? You kill off cultures that have similar shamanic traditions, outlaw the use of these substances for common people... check! You suppress meditation practices in the culture you control...check! and insist that academia operates in a materialist box from a position where consciousness is all within the physical brain

36:13 Check that box, destroy a lot of the records and take the ones that are out there and spin it into ancient aliens in the physical context. Really, when you get the Freemasons and these esoteric orders like that is just a continuation to me of the priest class. You're not thinking in a religious context because this isn't really religion in the mainstream sense it's something way stranger so this is where your book gets really wild and I gotta ask you about this but you write about a dialogue that you had with a colleague of yours I've been having conversations with people, people who operate in the shadows. What started out as what i thought were innocent exchanges turned into something else entirely.

37:00 that were out of a Stanley Kubrick, Eyes Wide Shut style film. These were parties in medieval castles complete with rituals that I once thought were the stuff of conspiracy theories but they're real these people aren't just LARPing their power brokers practicing magic and the truest sense of the word Their rituals aren't just for show they're about exerting influence claiming divine rights and solidifying their power through ancient bloodlines and even genetic research Wow! That is the most provocative paragraph in the whole book, if you ask me. Actually there's a couple other contenders to be honest but I put so much stock in the Diana Pasulka story. I really liked American Cosmic and how she got taken into the invisible college and

37:47 Shown all this stuff and that's now kind of a third rail to like the disclosure movement But this is almost like you have a parallel story, but you aren't just taken into like ufology You're taking into what we both kind of think is the real meat of power and high strangeness And all this stuff. Can you elaborate on? The kind of things you're talking about there Yeah Yeah, yeah. It's something that I've been to...I've danced around this topic a lot in interviews over the years and I decided to finally sort of just put it out there in print and digital however anyone consumes it just because I think it's time

38:26 It was difficult because a couple things one I'm a human so when somebody's telling me something and they're giving me information Do I really want to start like giving up that source or do you want to keep writing that information? That is, you know So I'm like I still want the information but at the same time To what end like what is the end. I have no endgame it's just like I'm just wanting more information and so I've had sources and kept sources, you know behind and whatever. And I never wanted to be that person There's two things that I didn't want to be for sure and that's one of these people It's like I couldn't help but go down this road and a little mad about it But I couldn't help it. I didn't want to be the person that started saying like woo. Oh

39:03 Like if you just meditate, you know the aliens will come and do whatever cuz I thought oh come on people You know There's so many grifters out there saying people who say pay me like 10 grand to come to my house and like look at lights in the sky and get a certificate that said you can't not name names just names situations no names other than Stephen Greer Yeah, you said it. That kind of thing like it just annoys me and but at the same time It's like wait a minute There is this spiritual component and at least that's what a lot of people start thinking And believing in and they're acting on it that way so I couldn't help but look into that direction Another thing I never wanted to be was that person? Is like

39:43 I have these sources, but I can't tell you who they are. And then it's like all right David Wilcock, I hear ya not naming names but those types of people where it's just annoying and I just never wanted to be that so I couldn't say anything because I don't want to give up the sources at the same time So I just danced around it and I was like, I'm gonna come off as one of those people anyway Forget it. And who am I any I'm so this is so unserious because there's no way I can present myself As somebody who's like serious when I'm literally on ancient aliens, so I'm like at that point Who cares? I'm just gonna say what I'm gonna say and if someone goes she's lying or she's a kook whatever This is like join the club everything's crazy everybody's crazy I'm at that point now in life and whatever where I'm just like

40:27 I said what I said. So, I thought, I'm gonna put this in the book and even to the peril of some of the people that... See? I had edited it because I had put some other things in the book that I didn't realize I was being taken even in that conversation. So still to this day, I find myself like in the company of people who I think are legit and then I find that they're not. And I thought I was overdoing that because like I was all naive like, oh whatever! And I think it's because, like just can't believe that so many people are just on the take. It's just because some of this stuff is so little like you suspect people with bigger platforms maybe but you don't always expect it with smaller platform people and to think that what are you being paid or something like that?

41:14 And I found that no, a lot of times it's literally just ideology like believers and people who are just in it for their own reasons. Often though more often than not I have come to find that they're in it for...I won't go so far as to say Epstein level blackmail type things but those types of things where basically getting compromised on people and so it attracts people who are just in it Self-gratification will say and that could be money or it could be otherwise. And so and then another thing that got me was Tracy and what happened to her if you're if you if anybody is

41:50 I wasn't going to bring that up. The last time we did an interview, you left a comment in the Plus Members comments section of the website and if it's Plus Member stuff behind the paywall, I don't generally bring it out because people are writing it outside of a small amount of people But then it comes up in the book too. So I feel like now we can talk about it, but so that comment you said... One of my listeners said you reminded her or him of Tracy and you said, We were connected and it wasn't until later that I learned we had the same informants and insiders some of whom are practicing magicians

42:36 I can say without a doubt that the world of the occult is tightly linked to spycraft, geopolitics and even UAP disclosure. It's all about bloodlines for them—for the record, I am not suicidal." Obviously that's provocative in the book you talk about this a little bit but clearly it can be dangerous stuff. And we don't need the exact sources that you have, I would not even ask that. But I am curious about like the chain of events like were you talking to another academic colleague that said hey uh you should come to this party? I mean how do you end up at a place where you're seeing some stuff that is disturbing to you? I will name names where i can't really because I really want

43:18 people to know. I just want the shape, I want the shape of the narrative. I'm going to give you the shape and what happens is people will be able to Google things that end like they think a lot of people did in behind the paywall. I was able to help people find so that I didn't name the name but people could easily find it and Googled it. So I'll give everybody what they need to find it and then they can make those connections and I didn't name anybody. But So it wasn't an academic. The first time I knew that we had this connection, Danny Jones's podcast if you're familiar with that one? Yeah who isn't so I happened to be listening one day and I saw a gentleman on there and didn't know him but he was talking about some things and I just had it on the background and He started saying some very strange different things that were resonating with me And then he started talking about someone he called The Londoner

44:11 I was like, okay. But then he was describing who it was and he didn't say the name but when he was describing his interactions and what happened I was like whoa whoa hold on a second it was a person who is very high up in elite circles and they're part of MI6. They are part of intelligence organizations, they work with billions of dollars in arms deals and different things that are connected with a lot of very serious issues beyond ancient aliens. This is like it's very serious and I couldn't believe...I had known this person okay? And i have been talking to this person for a number of years. They contacted me not the person on Danny Jones

44:54 are common, the Londoner we'll say. They had contacted me and I don't know why. I think it's just assets people want to either seed you with ideas so that you could put something in a book for disinformation or they want to...I don't know. I think everyone just wants to keep tabs on other people and so there was that. And I kept that line of communication open because it was kind of fascinating to me and he wasn't not nice and then at one point he offered to get me connected to officials in Iraq to do some work there. And I thought, sure buddy whatever and then but he always came with receipts and connections and i'm like oh okay this is for real so then I know this person knew this person for a bit and when I heard this guest on Danny Jones talk about him

45:42 I was like, this is him. Wait a second and so I had to reach out and contact him again You know for namesake. I'll just say if anybody wants to know it's a gentleman by the name of Jason Georgiani Oh, yeah, Jason Yeah So Jason I contacted Jason and was like, I guess we have a mutual friend And he's like oh really? And so that opened up a conversation between here and I and so I confirmed that we had that mutual source and it really shed a whole new light on different things based on what Jason had gone through. So again, if anybody... you can connect the dots by looking into Jason's story will say that and what I can say is as outlandish as some of his claims may have sounded or some other things in his book they're very on point very on point and so there's that because the world is a crazy place he'll say

46:32 The Tracy situation, we also had those connections. This same individual also with individuals who are associated with some different occult groups in France specifically a keen interest in bloodlines now couple of these individuals are dead now they were just older but these were people who obsessed with tracing their bloodlines. So that was interesting, but over many years I found that essentially there is a core group of people who work with a lot of NGOs, a lot of them that are connected to... and I want to point out too not necessarily in this just like hey-I'm Catholic kind of thing it's because Catholicism I like to say as someone who was raised Catholic

47:17 It's sort of like saying the word America. Like in the Catholic Church, it was a theocracy as a state, the Vatican there are people all leaning all beliefs, all knowledge everywhere and so just to say you know if the Vatican even in that group kind of could carry baggage and apply imply things that aren't necessary If when I'm saying that the individuals are working with the Vatican, it's not necessarily like some sort of pro Catholic thing or Christian thing. It's very much their own geopolitical agenda that they're doing behind the scenes and so it's a lot more complicated than that and so those individuals are working at

47:56 I'll just say, I've been confused for many years now. What are they doing? What is their goal aside from you know, I could just assume it's well it's the new world order right so I've been having this question for a long time trying to figure out and trying to figure it out and It's so literally chaotic You can't seem to figure out who's on what side of the equation They're promoting things that seem anti their own interest. It's just wild That's when I was referred to another individual. I happen to, when I'm studying the occult specifically fall into the path of chaos magic specifically which i hadn't really been too aware of before and finding that this is something that people take very seriously this is an actual practice And so... The idea if it's hard to figure out its by design we'll say It's because there is value in utility to creating chaos In their view

48:51 that chaos is important to bring about their new system. And so it's so easy to look at things as like left, right black white this that or whatever and in reality they want that chaos and they are doing it through chaos magic. So I would highly recommend if anybody's interested in understanding sort of the underlying philosophy of these power brokers Or at least a portion of those power brokers and what they really take seriously it's chaos magic and which is kind of a newer invention to in terms of occult practices and Tracy was on to a lot of different things And that that was something that I don't want to disrespect her memory and the situation involving her passing. I will just say

49:35 that she was on to a lot of different things and it's not always apparent what they were. It wasn't necessarily just Baphomet, there are so many other things that have to do with geopolitical stances and people involved. And, you know whether they were involved or not I can't make those accusations liable and whatnot but i just know that there's a lot more to that story. And so it of course made me a little cautious more cautious than usual but also more interested as crazy as that sounds So that's another reason too I started looking more into Baphomet at first because people ask me why are you like researching things like the occult?

50:11 aliens and the Sumerians, like these don't go together. Right? I've had that said to me so many times and it's like oh if you only knew... And i don't know that they go together! Like i'm not claiming that any of this is real. I don't know. I know what real is and real is when something is real enough to affect things My life or in the material sense and so if the elites who rule things, so to speak believe it's real We will suffer very real consequences for that. So it's real enough for me And so I stay open-minded to all of these things because I'm highly interested in what people believe and especially the people who have control over our circumstances and so I started looking into a

50:55 some things about Baphomet and initially I wrote a little about Baphomet in my first mainstream published book, The Evil Archaeology. It was just sort of like a fun little tome about supernatural stuff and in that book I referenced the Texial hoax and how the Freemasons were associated with Baphomet and you know a misnomer and this sort of thing. Fine, I just hit on it a little bit and talked about that hoax again it came up in Baphomet Revealed and I took a little deeper dive on it and I still couldn't find great evidence to suggest that the Freemasons were actually say worshipping Baphomet. I know Baphomet is extraordinarily misunderstood and that was a big reason why wanted to write this little book, to sort of say hey this is how Baphomet came about let's not get distracted by one thing or another lets focus and like really try to figure out what the new version of Baphomet

51:51 Well, in the book I discussed the Palladian Rite and that is a rite of Freemasonry that was speculated about. It was the premise of everybody and their brother thinking that the Masons are worshipping devils in Baphomet and this sort of thing And if you talk to Freemasons, especially if they're 33rd degree or they're not in an order. They may just say that's silly and to them it is silly because there are a lot of orders above the 33rd degree. There are a lot of groups doing different things so on one hand yes Freemasons are just guys in your town drinking punch and eating cookies and having camaraderie but not all

52:34 And this is why it's important to understand the differences between certain orders, certain locations and the history of it all. And so I really started to look into this claim a little further because really, really shown to be a hoax and So I couldn't find anything about it really and it is the thing that sent everybody off into thinking that Freemasonry was just like crazy devil worship, and that was it. And so this happened in Paris There was an account that was just gory basically they were accusing these freemasons of worshipping Baphomet and They said that there was this like woman who's gonna appear

53:13 that they sort of worshiped to and that she was the informant and they were gonna have her appear on stage and finally, The guy admits on stage To everybody That this was all a hoax And he was doing it to make light of the catholic church because all these catholic people were there in le price and whatnot He just kind of was like aha the jokes on you that you got all stirred up in a frenzy over this and it was all lies So what was interesting though is it didn't seem like lies in the beginning of course good hoax wouldn't Some of the claims did seem a little outlandish and then he said it was a hoax But that whole thing It was just a nice clean like wrapped up in a bone narrative and it's all hinging on the idea that in France there was the Palladian order Of the Freemasons who decided two important things one this

54:02 that they would be androgynous, which if you know anything about Freemasonry they're very much anti-woman being a Freemason let alone androgyny as a concept at all. It's about fraternity brotherhood now you do have not accepted groups like the co-Masons they do allow females in and it's co-masonry but they're not free and accepted from the Scottish Rite that's the difference so free and accepted still no women women get to have the Eastern Star And that's and a lot of people are like, oh the Eastern Star. It's really just pretty milquetoast It's not it's a distraction so women just are not allowed into Freemasonry still in that way So the idea back then that they would allow a female in and let alone a female but like

54:50 that it would be like the leader and that this whole order was about literal androgyny and worshipping the devil, and that devil being represented as an androgynous figure like Baphomet. That's what it hinges on." And it was outright... No, that-that's not a thing Edward wait who you know was involved in the weight terror night he right. He was an occultist and extraordinarily intelligent and great writer great historian and wrote a book about all of the French devil worship so yeah whole book on the devil worship in France because it was hot issue at the time and It was right as the tax seal hoax was going on, and he and again fantastic researcher he's usually looked at is a really reputable figure in occult literature and

55:34 And if you read his book and he does go over this claim of the Palladian right, He goes through, he analyzes it and really just assures us that this does not exist. That it's still just a hoax." Okay interesting so I'm still not convinced because France is into some interesting things we have a lot of interesting things happening even in the world stage there's a lot of connections to places like Amiens and you're a lot of weird things going on So it's been in the back of my mind like yes I have said myself hey it looks to be a hoax This is what's going on And funny enough, I happened...I'm a museum director by day. Very small organization and in their library there was a huge donation of Masonic texts because the museum itself is in an old church that used to be the church where President James A Garfield preached. President James A Garfield was very devout Freemason like he was very very important in Freemasonry

56:34 He was so important that for one particular reason, because he solved some important math problem that was like a Pythagorean issue. I don't know...I'm not a mathematician and I don't play one on TV! So this conundrum, this mathematic problem that had eluded people since classical antiquity. And it's very much in the interest of the masons to figure these things out, part of what you do and your craft is looking at math and geometry and whatnot." Well he was able to crack that code and still to this day if you just look up a Wikipedia or any generic information about that president, that's his big claim to fame as an amateur mathematician so

57:13 There's a lot of this James A. Garfield connection, and so the Masonic Lodge donated a bunch of James A. Garfield books and such, and I was looking through them, and I found in their encyclopedia before the Taxial Hoax—okay? So these had already been printed—an entry describing Palladian Freemasonry. So I thought, wait the whole idea is that it doesn't exist and if the Freemasons say it doesn't exist Edward Waite's like, ah! I looked into that...it doesn't exist Well this had been printed- Edward Wait would have had access to this

57:50 Like this is just a Freemasonic encyclopedia with the Scottish Rite dictionary. We have all these books from before him that were printed and it's in print, I have pictures, I look at them, I have them in my hand! And he would have definitely been able to access this. This wasn't some really strange material, this was basic like Freemasonry Scottish Rite 101 for people who were already accepted it said in there two things that has the Palladian order and it has the description of Palladian style freemasonry where it actually says it is an androgynous order and isn't a free and accepted right so it is accepted in Scottish Freemasonry

58:36 It's in France and they and so that is my biggest lead right now because I have dates and names and people on places And where this thing started, and it seemingly unapologetically said that yeah. This is this is a thing This is what I'm working on as we speak. This is something that I'm doing currently, and I'm trying to really put the pieces together to figure out what is going on because everywhere says this isn't true but Have the papers I have the I have the books. The books are there that says it so in that case, the whole idea That Baphomet was just a hoax. That whole thing was just a hoax now is questionable because there are now maybe the accounts were a little when you read the accounts they're kind of cuckoo like somebody will say oh their Freemasons who were gaunt and their eyeballs were falling out as they were worshipping the statue It's like right but at the same time

59:28 there's something there. And so, if that's the case that says as of now there has been maybe still is I mean i don't know why not but there at least has been an androgynous Freemasonic order that is free and accepted located in starting in Paris but still operating very much so in France And one of the things that they exalt over everything is the idea of chaos, chaos magic. Later it's called Chaos Magic in the 1970s But the idea of using chaos for magic The blending of all sides and having something androgynous as your leader

1:00:08 and hoping that that androgynous leader actually is in form female. And so, that's where I'm at now and if you connect the dots which i am and I'm going to be presenting this very soon on my website and YouTube If anybody's familiar with the current, I guess, um chatter about Brigitte Macron. Yeah yeah which i was gonna bring that up but I was just gonna say you know Candace Owens is obviously going on and on about this and she feels like she might be getting into something that's kind of dangerous couple people out there getting into dangerous things and finding out about it the hard way lately but story there to me is not

1:00:47 that Bridget was born a man perhaps, but the story is their ages. The story is that she was like in a position of authority over McCrone and he was just a boy. And then you're- Right? 14! Yeah I mean who is still talking to the romantic interests they had at 14? You know almost no one so something is up It's very strange. And then like putting him in a position of presidency where maybe the real president or maybe the real power is somewhere else and then you have this strange connection? Yeah, I mean go say what you were going to say but that's what i was thinking no That's the story there and it is The fact if she was born a man it doesn't...it only matters insofar as that they're not just

1:01:30 They're so hiding things like why not just say hey it doesn't matter Lady Gaga was accused so to speak of being a man or something at one point and During an interview. I think it was Barbara Walters She just looks in is like yeah, so maybe I have a dick I don't know if we can say that on here but you know It's okay But I mean so just laugh it off to see it doesn't matter who cares? I'm who I am and take it or leave it But the fact that somebody is hiding that and hiding everything, and things are just really strange. And his connection more so with Rothschild banking and a lot of different situations... I don't know much about that. Macron? And Rothschild Banking? Yeah.

1:02:12 Yeah, he was tapped as like the story goes is he wasn't that bright That everybody knew that. He wasn't really able to be in the position he was in but he was basically hand-picked and pushed through by The Rothschilds and nobody could say anything because it's like the pet Rothschild boy And so he he's been you know there's a lot going on there That's suspicious and so The question is like why and so I'm circling it. I'm looking into some things I've had some leads again where it's always going back to France, and I don't know why that is It's like no offense of the French But there are a lot of occult connections there and a lot of connections to you know ideologies that are sometimes inherently violent like the French Revolution and ideas of extremism or what have you and so globalism this sort of thing power? I mean

1:03:07 There's a lot going on in France, and I think that's something that we need to look more closely at. At least that's what I'm doing. And so yes it is a strange way to get around like all these points of interest but Baphomet kind of leads one thing to the other and yes it does have geopolitical angles that you know I think some people just aren't ready to look at. Like you said Candace Owens is doing some interesting work going down these directions, but it probably is difficult for somebody maybe in her position to and her belief set. To come across some stranger information and say that's definitely weird but she does like explore it But I explored things from a way weirder perspective And then it kind of we meet around the we kind of meet like hey you're here too right? Oh yeah well so Anunnaki Baphomet who knows

1:03:53 Very interesting. All right, well I am taking you a little over the finish line here but yes, I do think you are over the target and when it comes to the narratives that are out there for so many alternative things you and I gravitate towards being on the same page about where people should be looking, where often they have blind spots. And we obviously have a lot of still unanswered questions and pieces missing to our puzzle but I think it's a little more complete than some of the folks out there And anyway, I guess give the people the links of yours. Tell them about the courses you got a new season on the podcast coming up all that good stuff we like to leave people with. Yeah, you can find me at my website www dot dr heatherlynn dot com it's Dr Heather Lynn dot com and uh, you can find me on YouTube just look for me by name always put the D R it's not a vanity thing. It just keeps me from being parsed with the

1:04:47 There are a lot of Heatherlins out there and they're doing very different things than I'm doing. So Dr. Heatherlin, just for differentiator! And basically yeah my courses are on there. I have a new set of courses coming up in October. The signup for that will be at the end of the month. I'm doing Anunnaki course again that was pretty popular and then doing one on Nazi occultism and so that's a good one that we're going to be looking into deep deep dives on the Nazi occult connection in archaeology And yeah, I have a new project that i'm launching too called the H-Files and that's going to be dossier style. A lot of the stuff that you don't necessarily want to publish in like a mainstream book things are kind of more niche and about like

1:05:28 conspiracy history, sort of geopolitical more dangerous stuff. And so I'm going to put that somewhat behind a paywall some of it will be free but some of that juicier stuff that could get me killed is if you're gonna like read into the like at least pay me a few bucks to earn the right to like... So that's the H-Files and yes, The Midnight Academy is on YouTube and that starting back again. We have some really cool guests I'm so excited for that! And I got the new studio so that's coming up too this fall. Lots of stuff...and I'm on Ancient Aliens again so tune into that show and see me talk about all

1:06:03 All the weird stuff we talk about there. So a lot of fun inject some of the, some of the truth in there and try it like it well another top tier interview I would say I really had a good time and uh, hope we talk again when the techie magic e book comes out in the future. I won't send you a copy. I love it. Alright well take care keep doing what you do and be safe out there. You too thank so much for having me All right. Look at that the return of one of last year's most popular guests out with a new book, with another one on the way I get why she was so well-liked she is fun. She has a good sense of humor. She is as she says an academic double agent. She has the knowledge that they have and then some, and she understands academic professionalism without being shackled to the academic narratives it's a perfect recipe really

1:07:03 It's another episode that I did hold on to probably too long. Production has been slow in the studio and I am really thinking that I need to do something else when my time there is done, but either way literally this was recorded September 12th two days after the Charlie Kirk thing, but I didn't want that to derail the interview we had planned And when it comes to her book and her general material, I think she has a lot of great supporting evidence to what we might call some of our hunches. She really does make me think about ancient aliens as a psyop

1:07:46 It had to rise to dominate the conversation over this stuff, because there has to be some sort of context to put it in. So you just make it your show amplify it churn out a hundred thousand episodes and make it basically all the history channel plays an ancient aliens is great for them because even just the term implies physical beings astronauts that either died or left, meaning that phone call is over. Like that whole relationship is done. It obscures the notion of consistent or sporadic spiritual contact. It's a great little hack for them if spiritual contact is the sort of thing they really want to hide and I believe it is!

1:08:37 I also think about the framing of conversations that we used to have about the civilizing beings often described as civilizing trickster beans, which I do think we could even take that further and say that they're not just tricksters. They're actually quite negative, but this whole idea that they lifted humanity out of the mud elevated the human condition. I'm not so sure anymore. It used to feel pretty obvious to me that civilization was an improvement over whatever it was before. But if you think about it a little more deeply with an open mind, how much of our mental construct about that sort of life? A life without civilization, a life without governmental structure, how much of that is colored by essentially a form of hunter gatherer propaganda

1:09:38 We've unpacked Native American life before and the idea of cultivated abundance, not just scraping by. Even the term gatherer sounds like you're combing through the landscape searching for a few berries. It invokes a sense of scarcity. It definitely invokes a sense of always working to meet your needs But you could say hunters and cultivators, permaculture experts maximizing abundance shepherding the growth of plants and animals fish in particular based on those early settler reports.

1:10:15 Talking about so many fish in the Hudson river that you could basically walk across them to get to the other side. That doesn't sound like hunter gathers, that sounds like pretty complex observation of nature and then cultivating abundance. That's the term I always use. I don't know a better term but they're not dumb savages, you know? But just zoom out with that perspective and say that maybe some arconic beans whispered in the ears of man to form a hierarchical structure, stay in one place and structure their system under a monocrop annual agriculture rather than perennials that always provide. You know it's all stacked against abundance really suddenly you have feast and famine boom and bust cycles and haves and have nots

1:11:07 worker classes and parasitic elite classes. Maybe they're still getting their ideas from these entities, and maybe nothing has really changed since the time of Sumeria just being told what to build furthering industrialization, furthering centralization mass pollution and exploitation of the earth and of man going from stewards and shepherds too Value extractors, the commodification of everything. The creation of money and war. I don't know if these are human ideas and then you know some people come along and they try to tap into these same entities as previous generations and they become the technocrats further centralize everything further anti-life exploitation leading us to what?

1:12:03 A centralized hive mind, emotionless heartless logic driven AI dystopia. Much like the grays seem to be a product of funny enough it all gets pretty provocative you can see a through line there that even though I'm grossly oversimplifying i think is kind of true critics often say that the conspiracy minded like myself are attracted to reducing all of complex history down to singular ideas and narratives, trying to pin. All of our ills on a single group controlling everything or whatever it's in the mix. I'm not saying that's the only game in town, but it is a game. I just thought she was super interesting and very candid man some of those personal experiences along this journey. I think I said this in the interview, but she starts to feel like a

1:13:01 Diana Pasulka for an occult flavor. It's very interesting. I also mentioned this, but I made her a plus account and she was very engaging in the comments and she took advantage of being able to share a little more without it being as open as the first hour is. And that's a beautiful thing. I hope our dynamic or relationship continues on. I would love to have her be a guest that comes back pretty frequently It all has to do with how much material she continues to churn out. Seems like she's going to be pretty active and I guess I would say even the plus show today, it went to some pretty dark places we talked about some of her common occult sources that she shared with Tracy Twyman and for the plus people that heard that my most interested supporters, my most engaging listeners let's say

1:14:04 Well, you know my income is dependent on you guys and what you think. So I probably should say that I maybe got a little loose lipped and overshared a bit. I got a little swept up in the spirit of her being so candid and I hate to be so vague now, but it's just the way the show is cut. I don't mean to tease the rest of you, but I think there is more to know about the stuff that I was talking about when Tracy died and my name was brought into it People did start just showing up, coming out of the woodwork and telling me stuff. So I passed along some of that stuff it's still rumors in hearsay and speculation, but it was pretty triggering to the estate for what it's worth. And I could totally understand a spouse wanting to shut down conversations about things that might or might not have happened before they were even in a person's life

1:15:04 But I can't help but be curious about that one particular rumor, and it has made me think a lot more about the whole concept of Ascended Masters or Walk-Ins or even the Antichrist. I don't think about the Antichrist very much if you can believe it, but I guess I would have thought that they might arrive from space on a rock similar to Cadmus or how Patrice Chaplin described The Lucifer Stuff But what if it's more like a group of people perform rituals and coax, a certain type of spirit down into a body that appears to everyone else. Like a normal regular birth, a normal regular human. We already know the snapshot of the cosmos at our time of birth has an effect with the natal chart and all that

1:16:00 Isn't that kind of an uncurated calling down of a spirit that has certain qualities? What if you can do that more intentionally and even more so what if there are rituals that can have, you basically bringing in some very powerful spirit. That has a huge impact on the human story, a larger than life character. I mean think about the speculation around Baron Trump is he a giant Nephilim drawn down a time traveler I would never harass the guy, but it's still the sort of thing that gets me intellectually curious. But also want to say that we talked about that other guy who I canceled the interview with and she was pretty bold in what she was saying about going to jail for raping children well. I personally heard that it was just having child porn. I didn't wanna interject at that time but of course you know also being a card carrying Nazi leader

1:17:01 I don't know, i haven't really read the criminal charges. She seemed pretty confident in what she was saying but I would just add allegedly allegedly etc etc...I don't know all the details but even just possessing child porn is enough for me to say maybe I could just interview someone else on this subject go with God sir best of luck to you but I can't get involved So really good stuff in this one. Very happy to have done it, I apologize if the timing wasn't great for her and we didn't promo the courses when they launched earlier this month you know timing is important people do interviews because they have things to promote so please please please tell her you enjoyed it and dive deeper into our stuff she's definitely someone I would like to stay in touch with and see rise to the top of these sorts of fields

1:17:57 That's really all I ask. Who cares about YouTube subscribers or notification bells? Just give some love to the guests that resonate and sign up for plus if you want to hear the second half of all my interviews and higher side news, I mentioned the long tail on getting shows out. I'm honestly getting a bit frustrated at the studio to tell you the truth. The owner actually fired the majority of the staff that I liked and worked well with And the people that I developed a good rhythm with and understood what I wanted in the show. Now, several of the upcoming interviews I have in the pipeline started off with really frustrating energy dicking around trying to connect to the gas and get the sources mapped to the right stuff for like 40 minutes while I'm sitting at the desk staring at a person being like, can we start this thing? I already am asking for two hours their time it sucks starting in a place like that

1:18:57 Or having to do an interview, not seeing them on screen. Just a lot of logistical technical shit that is getting under my skin and making me realize that I probably overcomplicated the whole thing with this studio. Of course if I reverse engineer the logic tree of the whole thing, the key issue is my kids being two and four. And I don't want to annoy the non-parents with this sort of personal shit But they are harder to control now than when they were younger and Florida gets so damn hot. It's hard to find something to do with them for sometimes almost three hours, my wife and I were just feeling pretty rundown. I feel stuck in the studio for the next six months it is what it is

1:19:42 But I have some creative solutions in mind, and I'm just going to try to produce the best stuff there that I can. In the meantime and make sure that I'm ready to hit the ground running with the next phase when I get my freedom back. I'm usually smarter than this. You never pre pay for such a long commitment but the discount they gave me really sucked me in I'll be doing the show until I can't talk or walk anymore or think anymore. So what's a year anyway, I apologize for any drops in quality that might come in the next month or so it's frustrating because I'm ready to actually do more solo stuff and I have some great ideas and some lengthy notes but the main show needs to be on solid ground

1:20:33 Kind of coming off the assembly line with ease, with a good repeatable process so that I can be freed up to do some of these extra things. Well we'll get there thanks for sticking with me as far the meetup calendar let's take a look tomorrow that sweet sweet Halloween evening We have one in Bretton Woods New Hampshire For people who want to spend their Halloween thinking about THC at the observatory bar at the Mount Washington hotel. I love a hotel bar if I'm in a new city, I don't know where to go. I'm looking for a hotel bar anyway, Oakland California November 5th remember? Remember November 6th we got Rancho Santa Margarita, California Laguna beach beer company November 7th Tampa Florida Coppertail brewing think I'm going to be there

1:21:28 November 8th, Woodstock Virginia at the Woodstock brew house. And also November eight Oh that's the exact same listing and then November 10th Eden Terrence Auckland New Zealand Gail Braths ale house now kind of a bit of the THC lore it's always going down at Gail Brad sale house from ever in new Zealand how can I not go? And then wow You're not going to believe this. I don't even know if I'm going to try to pronounce this, but we got one happening on November 19th and Helsinki Finland. Wow. Jim Chesner is rolling over in his grave wishing he could be there to school you all on the box saga and the fact that Helsinki is hell itself man when these kids get older, I really am thinking as I initially intended with the calendar

1:22:22 These can be international family vacations for me on the company dime. And, uh, all I have to do is go to one thing and the rest of the week I could do whatever it's compelling. It's compelling if they let us travel for much longer, but anyway, I love to see it. The calendar seems full. Seems like people are having a good time with it higher side meetups.com If you want to meet some like-minded locals and have a good time yourself All right. And I almost forgot actually the last episode review, we usually do this in the opposite order, but the antidote guys, Jeremy and Greg Gregg and Jeremy well they were not too popular 4.2 at the end of the day pretty low actually liked that interview because I think Jeremy has a lot of unique info to share about the Israel Russia relationship. And I found some of the history there to be

1:23:20 Pretty interesting and off my radar. I don't hear a lot of people talking about that it's all about us Israel and then us Russia, and it's like well what about this third side of the pyramid maybe israel's playing us all? I wouldn't be the first one to suggest that But to me, that was the real value of that interview. But some comments seemed to be pretty critical of Jeremy being Jewish, which does kind of bother me we don't get to choose our heritage. He seems to be able to subtract himself away from that and make honest assessments and beyond the level. And I don't think he's a crusader of any kind. He's criticizing his own but for some, that's not good enough anyway

1:24:07 Others I think had friction with those guys assessment of Trump versus their own assessment. Some said they were just way too mainstream Democrat, which I didn't really pick up on either, but I'm not really going to argue that's not exactly my bag. I would have thought it was a solid B. I would've thought that was fair, but it seems like the sentiment puts it closer to a C minus and Ooh. I haven't liked a C minus since I was out of the school system. I definitely don't want it now. Well, we had a really good street going there for awhile is pretty strong professor Jang Richard Willett Chris Knowles, Richard Grove all really well received all in line and I think Dr Lynn will put us back in the green let's hope I think this topic area is a sweet spot for a lot of you guys. I know what it is for me so I'm pleased with that and

1:25:04 I guess it's a happy accident that it came on Halloween, especially if you are watching and you see her background set up there. Very appropriate, very Gothic. Oh, and I was also going to mention something about the music. I've been getting more people saying that they really like it and are asking who's making this song or that song? Hey, if it's on the show, I write all of them. I write the lyrics to all of them. And then I play with AI tools until I get a song that fits my taste People have mixed feelings about that, but the reality is when I commissioned songs they can get very expensive. And then when I let artists put their songs on the show, I've gotten copyright strikes because sometimes artists get deals and then their back catalog gets you a copyright strike cause I'm not going to remove it from a two-year old show. So it just created more headaches even though I want to support artists who liked to get their song out there. It's just not practical. So this is what I do.

1:26:06 And it's funny because when I play around with the AI music, I'm just so disenfranchised with modern pop music sounding. So robotic and electronic that I'm reverting to AI tools to make music that sounds more instrumental and authentic Weird world, weird world we're in. But anyway all that is just to say that I do plan to get these songs up on the website in a place where you can access them easily if you want to when I was doing a new song and new AI song for every show that got really tedious now that I'm going back to songs that cover broader bigger themes of the show they really should be up there

1:26:53 If you like the intros, well those are one-offs and I know that my intro song is also probably longer than it needs to be. But the fact that we don't have any ads and we get right into the meat of the topic...I hope it's not annoying to have a one minute song start us off but I will get those closing songs into place where you can access them very soon Today, actually I did get to dust off the one that I made for Dr. Heather Lynn last time she was here when I was doing songs for every single guest before my creative engine started to stutter but anyway let's play that let's call it in here and just move on enjoy yourselves out there take a break from the heaviness of everything and have a good time this weekend okay cheers

1:27:37 I've done my part. Your move, Anunnaki influencers, technocratic telephoners and cult of the poppy participants! Your fucking move. She enrolled but she didn't She went to class but saw through the spin Got what she needed and got out again The academic double agent Dr Heatherling The professors say keep the boat from rocking, keep the narrative intact. If you find something anomalous that's something to subtract With success we got the deck stacked When the truth comes knocking how are you gonna act? Today you're outside of the circle

1:28:45 Leave behind fancy credentials And crushing student loans They won't fund your studies If you go against the grain They got no cash for excavations They don't explain The professors say Keep the boat from rocking, keep the narratives intact. If you find something anomalous Have something to subtract Mess with success, we got the tech staff When the truth comes knocking how you gonna act? She enrolled but she didn't buy She went to class but saw through the spin Got what she needed and go out it The academic double agent Dr. Heatherland