Dean Dominic DeLucia | Mammoths of the Inner Earth, Underground Giants, Hidden Cities, & Remnants of Atlantis

00:00 You have one new message. What's up Greg? This is your buddy Mike from East Coast Honestly man, I found your first podcast with the Lon Milo Duquette and that really put me on to That really put me onto magic and a whole bunch of good schools of thoughts But then about three months later I just found another podcast man and i've been listening like a fiend for the last week straight at work. You make a serious podcast dude, and I love it! I just signed up for Hireside Plus. I laughed my ass off at Randy Savage this morning so thank you for making my days much better brother Peace

00:43 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But well, it's 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire. For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation! Happy 2015 Hiresight Chatters from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and you best be drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke because we are going deep below the surface today in a very real way with the triumphant return of our Hollow Earth and Underground Worlds expert Dean Dominic DeLucia. And if you haven't heard the first show I did with Dean many moons ago it's one my favorite ever and i will put a link to it with this one or you can find at TheHiresightChats.com or on YouTube

01:40 But it's something I'm pretty happy with. It's a great introduction to the Hollow Earth idea, and I have talked to Dean about this off the air but there is this older generation of guys who used to be go-tos on this subject and they're getting old! And unlike the UFO community or the older conspiracy community There are not a lot younger people taking up that Hollow Earth cause... ...and I would love to reignite that interest if we can So I'm psyched to have Dean back to explore this stuff again. And remember to go back to that first episode if you want more context, and then we kick this one off with a little more about the polar openings...and it only gets weirder from there so let's do it! The Hollow Earth waits for no one. Here is with the man himself, Dean Dominic DeLucia. And you thought this song was about Australia.

02:37 Okay people, you might remember today's guest Dean Dominic DeLucia from the last show we did together on the Hollow Earth. We talked about the science behind it, the descriptions in the Vedic texts, strange reports from early Arctic explorers and folklore of other cultures and I thought it was a helluva show! I thought we made a pretty strong case for the Hollow Earthers. A lot of people have told me it's one of their favorites and so i got Dean back to talk about some other aspects that support the hollow earth theory that we didn't get to last time, and were also going to talk about stories of cavern worlds and beings that have come from within, and some stories are super interesting and just don't really fit anywhere else! So im very psyched about

03:13 Dean has been studying these things for a long time. He runs holloworbs.com and has written several books pertaining to Vedic culture and astrology that are available on Amazon, all the way from Brazil. Dean welcome back to THC! Well it's pleasure to be on your show again I'm looking forward to a nice interview here Yeah Dean, I think this is going to be awesome. I really loved the last show and thought it was great we covered a lot of ground on the Hollow Earth but i guess there are still a couple angles left that we could kick the show off with that we didn't get too last time mainly about the polar openings and maybe to get the ball rolling could have you give people few reminders of some these early Explorer reports or little background about the polar openings to set up the context for what were gonna get into about the Arctic ice

04:00 Well, let's see. A lot of this Arctic evidence comes from a time when there was not much censorship I think we're referring to the 1800s right around to the turn-of-the century The type of phenomena that was typically and usually reported were arctic warming near the actual north pole warming such that even in, in the middle of winter they would take their outer coats off and feel warm. The explorer Nansen he was maybe 200 miles from the pole spoke about being scorched by the sun in april and not being able to sleep at night because of the heat

04:47 Yeah, also mammals in the middle of the Arctic ice hundreds of miles from many hundreds of miles from any food chain pollen great clouds of pollen and also dust falling over the ice leaving an orange ish or muddy I scape. Hmm yeah these are these are some of the The symptoms and another symptom is the arctic ice the arctic ice is a huge anomaly it has a lot to do with the mammals that are there on the in the middle of the artichoke with the mammoth. That have been found on the shores of siberia

05:33 We don't usually think of the Arctic ice as being anomalous. We think it is being something normal. Right! Yeah, there's just one problem with that though... What's that? Salt water does not freeze That's a big incongruency, isn't it? Right. That is interesting! So all that water must be fresh water somehow... Oh it IS fresh water there are pools of fresh water there you can dump your bucket over the side of your sailboat haul up and take a nice drink of cool freshwater Wow In the middle of the Arctic Ocean. That's not everywhere in the Arctic Ocean, but certainly in the vicinity and very high north and the high arctic near zero degrees this phenomenon has been repeatedly reported. And so how does this tie into the inner earth? Is this where fresh water is coming from? Well it would have to be there's no other source

06:33 I remember on our list this is the all planets hollow best we had a fellow who was an engineer petroleum engineer and he had been up on the arctic coast near point barrow but i think it was over on the canadian side. And he spoke to us about going to the shore during the winter and seeing some Supposedly ice accumulation but nothing solid he described it as slush that just wouldn't form into what we know as ice so that's just to give you an idea of the part that's not near the opening where there is no fresh water. The the ice water in may even forms lush but it doesn't form ice at all he said you couldn't walk on it

07:30 Hmm, that is interesting. Yeah So maybe we can kind of clarify this because I know some of the listeners were a little confused last time as to exactly how the polar opening is set up because we're trying to rationalize the way we conventionally think of it with some of these Explorer reports which are quite the opposite When you cross the Arctic Circle and then start coming into I guess the basin that exists around the top what do you see as you get closer to the opening? Well, the Arctic Circle is a basin. It starts very far out the inward slope and this was noted... There's a phenomenon called foreshortening of the horizon and it's been noted and documented And I'm thinking of the explorers This was Perry's group or there was one lieutenant with Perry who

08:29 organized his own expedition afterwards. The name escapes me at the moment, but they were at Ellesmere Island it's actually a peninsula, Ellesmere that's right across the bay from northern Greenland and as they were traveling along you know they would set their sights on a point on horizon and head towards that point So they noted one hill, shall we say. Because there are ice accumulations and they're hilly and while you're still on Ellesmere you're well into the Arctic in your own land but at any rate they spoke or wrote in their log of a hill in the distance, a small mountain that

09:23 The peak was visible, but actually the base was not visible. So because the horizon has nine miles, you know of till to the end of the horizon from any one point given the typical curvature they felt that they had two walk nine miles to get to that point and but there are very quickly in a working well this. You know how did this happen this has not been a nine mile hike right now maybe six miles or something like that what's happening and uh... This was typical this is indicative of the foreshortening of the horizon and when you get very close to the opening. This inward curvature is a very sharply noticeable, I'll say that just to give me an idea when perry discovered the pole he made his way back it took a forty eight hour journey with us no stops in middle to sleep and have something to eat

10:26 And he covered 73 miles in 48 hours. Now that's impossible, earlier on they were traveling maybe 12 or 13 miles a day He had no explanation for his rapid advance Dr Cook before him had similar experience He made just about 50 miles in the similar time period and nobody believed him But it's just the curvature, the inward curvature is so sharp and you expect a flat curvature that it throws off your celestial reckoning. Something like an usher in the movie theater when he flicks his wrist and has the flashlight in this hand there was just a little bit of movement but

11:15 The light you know projected on the ceiling it gives a different impression that more distance was covered. You know something like that so this is one phenomenon that happens as its can measure it with your proximity to the pole but then the symptoms there One symptom is the cloud cover. There's a lot of cloud cover because, of course, the air coming out is warmer and it condenses so cloud cover mist and fog is very typical And even you have the phenomenon of The ground being or grounds so to speak You know that ice scape being reflected on the clouds above you and they're even being

12:04 How would you say a continuation of reflection in the distance such that since they become this becomes drunken and you can't depend on your compass anymore it's very easy to get lost. That's that's another phenomenon right and then there is the warmth that we saw already spoken about that is so well. Covered so what spoken of and then there's the the pollen to be a huge clouds of pollen falling all over the ice there's animals their fox have been reported wolves let see

12:46 Walrus is of course i mean at least they can swim but the there are their mammals so are these. Are these animals being seen right on the outside of the opening itself well let's see nancy reported them when his ship was stuck in the ice at something like eighty two eighty four degrees the pole being ninety, So that's a little bit of distance but then when he was very close on foot, he also recorded these animals. Fox land birds in the middle of the Arctic and on the other side coming up from Canada they've been reported fairly close to the pole in the high arctic. Interesting so is right around the opening water or land?

13:43 The northern opening is all water. Right, so can you take a ship and see into it? Like where are the animals if it's all water like where are the animals coming from landmass on the inner earth? From a land mass on the inner earth across the ice exactly in the migration by the way for the winter uh... his northwards he explores from Canada from from North American side on various occasions overtook migrating animals from behind. Right, I thought that was a super interesting aspect to hear up there that they're watching flocks of birds migrate and they're going north because they know that there is some warmth up there from that hole. I think that's pretty compelling evidence when you hear people talk about it Of course They don't know why it's happening because they're not... Some of them aren't clued into that the hollow earth theory but they notice the behavior Yes well this was

14:45 the mood of nancy's book farthest north he wrote it with that title because he didn't make it to the pole. But he was made a farther north than anyone else up to that time and uh, He would they were just there were amazed they weren't a wonderland you know like i say being scorched by the sun it's too hot, the water is fresh water you know dump your bucket in their theirs fox. There's wolves there's land land birds you know that we're just amazed there's pollen where did the pollen come from because even if you get to the shore there's no

15:28 trees there there's no flowers i mean the tree line as well below the siberian shores you know. So I mean they were nothing short of amazed. They were just in a wonderland. Right, it's not the wasteland we're told that it is but you mentioned mammoths earlier and I did want to talk about woolly mammoths and mastodons because we kind of missed that last time and it is a lengthy section on your website with some interesting stories and we generally think of mammoths as being ice age creatures that pretty much died out 10 thousand years ago but that doesn't seem to be the case now does it?

16:04 No, the mammoth are also always found encased in ice and preserved. And this is clear freshwater ice so much so that people have gathered around and just looked through the ice and contemplated the mammoth for hours on end then gone back to their village First of all, you have to ask what would the source be and how could they have gotten there? Right. Well when you think about ice, you're not thinking in the Arctic There's flat ice for sure but there are icebergs I mean the icebergs come from the Arctic first of all this is one thing we have to take into consideration The icebergs are not slabs

17:00 The icebergs in Antarctica are slabs because the Arctic coast is flat and sandy generally. And also, the Antarctic coast in the south. The Arctic coast is also flat and sandy all around. All of Siberia's like that Alaska Northern Canada until you get to Ellesmere and Greenland there you have fjords Like in Norway, as in Norway. But at that point the icebergs...that's the emptying out point. That's the drain of the Arctic. They're not going up into the Arctic they're coming down from the north such as the iceberg that met the Titanic you know it was coming down from the north

17:54 So where do they form first of all not a person you know we could talk about okay there made out of fresh water. There's no fresh water in that ocean, that is a stumper but then besides that these mammoth they were encased in huge chunks of ice they were encased and icebergs an iceberg come flowing down from the arctic ocean but they are not formed in the Arctic Ocean As I say, for an iceberg to form you need a fjord. and it has to freeze. Fresh water freezes from the rain, and from river flow and that kind of thing And then when the ice grows and becomes so enormous in proportion It falls off the side of the hill We've seen films on this in Norway And it crashes into the sea and it bobs a bit Then it goes flowing off carried away by the current

18:54 So where does this occur in the Arctic there's no place for it to occur. also symptomatic of the idea that the icebergs are formed by freshwater fjords from within the hole. Imagine a hole as an hourglass opening and as it opens up within, you have these continents coming to a point just as they do North America in Europe and Siberia they come to a point around the opening So you have something similar inside, you must. And there must be rocky coasts, high coasts, something similar to the coastline of Norway

19:37 And these mammoth they were feeding perhaps during the fall and they didn't escape in time, they were laggards. They were left behind a herd or something like that and they slipped and fell down the side of the fjord into pool of water to their death you know, later on they froze and they became a part of these icebergs that fell off the fjord. And they were carried out of the opening by the current and they were lodged somehow against the Arctic coast or they followed some current a little bit inwards there was one river mentioned, the Lena River if I'm not mistaken it has a southward current, a southward direction

20:24 I'll flow not towards the arctic and several mammoth have been found in that region. Encased in ice and at certain points the ice melted enough for the people to see them and math, end to break them out of the ice What they found doesn't correspond to something that's 30 or 50 thousand years old. For one thing, the mammoths are not fossilized but first why don't I mention a case or two and give a couple of dates? Absolutely! Okay let's see this comes from the book by Raymond Bernard which is supposed to be a pen name his real name i believe was Sigmeister

21:11 It's called the hollow earth he brings together compiles lot of nice evidence but in seventeen ninety nine one fellow named shumakov on the lena river near the town name tongue goose found a huge mammoth encased in ice and he's been a little criticized that He didn't tell anybody about it right away and just kept going back and looking at it. And you know as if he were worshipping it or something which is there in all looking at it then go back to his town but finally he brought the people and they did break it open

21:58 And unfortunately they should have called somebody that should've gotten a hold of university and left it in the ice as long as possible. But they went there and they busted all open, and they found this mammoth having no he was conserved It was completely conserved the meat was good it was fed upon by dogs bears foxes and wolves have to be fresher than the ice age then you think sure why didn't fossilized because what they're saying is that there was tropical thirty thousand years ago.

22:36 Well, that's very nice but by now it should have been fossilized and its fresh. And you know we're talking about the flesh the hide were talking about fuzzy woolly hair on the hide We are talking about the entrelles of these mammoth found in various places in the Tundra The Tundra region geologically speaking and the Tundra is recently formed It's not from thirty forty thousand years ago it's not from the top of the tropical era that is interesting. Yeah now they have found these mammoth also with fresh food green grass in their belly and also between there teeth right

23:26 So their death was sudden it's not like there was a change and then the ice age appeared in the mammoth began to disappear or something like that i mean this is a snap death you know. Bam he was alive he was munching and then all of a sudden he died and and and you know that night it got uh, if they were in the water on that night it froze over and that kind of thing so his death can't be explained The way they explain the disappearance and the extinction of the mammoth his death really does correspond fits in well with this idea. Of there being some kind of fjord and he became frozen in the water broke off and spent a year or two floating in the arctic ice and then they found it inside bria something like that

24:22 And this is typical, the new Siberian islands are in a well-known part of Siberia. Of Russian Siberia There's a manufacturing city on the coast there named Novosibirsk and that those new siberian islands there like sandbar islands first of all remember that the arctic is not so deep specially close to the, to the shore there's a continent shelf but then you siberia and islands are islands composed of sand they're composed of tusks from mastodons and from

25:09 from mammoth and all kinds of bones and skeletons. And the Russians have made good business over the last few hundred years selling all kinds of ivory to the Chinese from these islands in the Arctic, so it seems to be a typical path some typical current carries the ice over towards Siberia towards this area, the Lena River in the new Siberian Highlands in the city and deposits the dead carcasses there and this been going on for thousands of years and theres a whole ice bar island their business consists of just that. How,

25:54 Yeah that is it's weird to think about that the mammoth said i had an animal thought to be extinct could actually be alive and well and for that many to fall off into the ocean they might even flourishing right on the inside surface of the earth. That's pretty far out yeah certainly yes you know there was a professor hurts at the imperial academy of science of saint petersburg Which is still a state called saint petersburg again today but it was leningrad for long time this was in july of nineteen twelve he held a mammoth banquet.

26:33 Right i heard about that yeah and there was another one denuncio he also had a mammoth banquet and he brought corn from. The pyramids from within the pyramids in egypt to other grains and beans from egypt then they all had some feast on food that was thousands of thousands of years old, But the mammoth meat, I doubt it was that old. They were talking about 50 thousand year old mammoth meat. I have a problem with that you know? I probably wouldn't eat that! Yeah there was fellow James Kerwood he was an American explorer and he had mammoth meat with some Eskimos that he came across when he was exploring in the far north

27:21 And he didn't see that where they found the mammoth or anything like that, but they told him it was mammoth meat. He described is as being mahogany in color old and dry but he said that the dogs did thrive on it. He mentioned that. Wow! It's so weird to think I mean I guess skeptics would say Well, this isn't necessarily proof that there's an entire inner cavity of the earth. Isn't it possible that perhaps there are just some surviving mammoths roaming around the unexplored Arctic? Is that something you'd entertain at all or is that... That's probably not the case

28:01 I would say that's difficult because you know it's not a jungle where you can hide things and a mammoth is very big if they ever get out, if they get out so much that they've been seen encased in ice. They certainly would have been seen at least once or twice walking to their destination you know? That's a good point an also what would the eat animal that big that is eating vegetation isn't gonna find much up there Right. And you know, but speaking of animals that come out from within and that wander around – I mean it's hard to say these rabbits – bear? I didn't mention bear and I didn't mention the large hare.

28:43 the large rabbits that were seen in the Arctic. This is, you know, in the high arctic. Those are among the mammals up there but the Perry expedition one of them they came across a huge wolf I mean they described it as a giant wolf compared to the normal wolves maybe double its size and they shot at from a distance And when they came to it they were just amazed they were you know they were tracking and they had some time constraints they didn't take it with them but they described.

29:26 And you know you have to wonder well this day they spoke of it not being a species of wolves that there are exactly familiar with and there has been species bear up there. That have been found that i have northern canada that happen examined in universities and they explain it away by saying must be hybrid beer, Because there are the grizzlies of North America and a grizzly went north and met a polar bear lady, but because it's not a bear which is unknown species. One bear like this was found. Man that's so interesting man I guess what's curious about it is...I just think these animals are seen alive they shot that wolf how

30:14 how are they getting from this land mass to the outside because i would think that there would be miles they would have to come across there's no land bridges their that can get them. To our side from the inside is there know theirs not and you know i don't think that usually have continuous ice to walk across of course the The bears and the other animals they do my great north there is when the winter comes the ice does bunch up and the. The icebergs flow out so that might be the time to find continuous ice if there is any but from what i understand i mean they are open polar seas at times too. Okay, so why not something you don't expect either you're not supposed to have open polar season in the middle anytime you see a picture of the ice reduction it's always around the edges

31:10 They don't show open polar seas for hundreds of miles right in the middle. I mean, that's where it's not supposed to be warm! That's where it's supposed to be the coldest.\par The explorer Nansen in October and November, he went from the New Siberian Islands due north. And they had weeks of sailing with no ice at all and they were flabbergasted. He was saying they wouldn't believe us in Norway if we were to tell them this. They would say that we were liars. But the open polar seas have been reported very much. I think that might have even been the expedition where i read they also came across a bird they had never seen before, a new species of bird? Uh...I don't recall that exactly but they did have a lot of interaction with birds and they noted everything down They mentioned land birds in the high arctic

32:12 And that's so weird. I guess, I get how birds would come out and if a mammoth falls into the water and freezes and that eventually floats its way out...I get that but how a live animal gets from inside to outside? That's where i'm having a bit of hard time figuring it out Yeah, well it's not too usual. Yeah it's a rare occasion yeah you don't see uh... you don't see herds of buffalo across the Arctic They're not marching out like its Noah's Ark or anything? Yeah and if there are bears of course the bears can swim across certain expanses of ocean Right Now have you heard about the bird called the auk

32:54 The arc no i don't think so. I'm not familiar with it either i came across the name in this literature article literature but is a northern bird and its very big birds like the size of a buzzard something like that, end up they've reported in the high arctic just throw this in but whole flocks of ox soul So huge that they cover the sky and they create a certain shadow, a certain darkening below even during daylight. Wow! Yeah as they pass over I mean that's also incredible They need food you know? And over the ice they don't have food like that so where are they coming from

33:45 It is a mystery. And I also wanted to talk to you about the Smithsonian because, A year ago i wasn't all that familiar with the Smithsonian and their cover up of artifacts and evidence that doesn't kind of fit the narrative... ...and now they've destroyed hundreds of giant skeletons dug in early America They seem to go there, but then they never make it to being displayed. And last time you mentioned the Smithsonian playing a role in the Hollow Earth cover-up too But we didn't really elaborate on it Can you tell us a little bit about that connection? Well I'll say that the original purpose of Mr. Smithson when he died He left in his will a huge grant for The creation of the Smithsonian museums and also money for an expedition good to go to the far north

34:33 to enter into the opening, to find the opening to the inner earth. To collect species of fauna and vegetation trees things like that... ...To bring it back and display it in these museums And of course the expedition never happened really. Then you have these museums there and then the original purpose just got lost I remember at one point When you would go when i was younger when you go into the smithsonian and you go on the tour they would give us some background information on how the smithsonian was originally.

35:15 formed and everything, they would mention that the original grant you know how quaint had the purpose of going to the inner earth in collecting samples and displaying them in a museum. And they quit doing that. Right yeah you can only gloss over that so many times Yeah but what I know of the cover-up by the Smithsonian Institute First of all remember you know this is one of those things where you don't have 14 by 11 glossy so that you can prove your point and everything. When documentation they don't tell you what their hiding and then you really don't have any way to know but we've heard that as the pioneers in there prairie schooners and conestoga wagons made their way across

36:09 United states even beginning in ohio for example they came across numerous mounds and would stop for. Say you know dedicate a day or two of their time when it became obvious that this is the construction here and you know there's a motor around it. And some construction on top and its only thing if it's kind around in the rest is prairie, let's pick through this and dig a little bit they would find artifacts somehow other than send them back

36:44 and that this was done all across the United States over a time period of couple of decades, that it was not uncommon for them to send things back to one of the few museums that existed at that time which is Smithsonian Institute. And as you mentioned goodbye that's all she wrote nobody ever heard anything about them again nobody knows anything they're not supposed to be in storage anywhere and they were never displayed so where did they go? Exactly. It's a real shame and there are some super interesting stories that come out of those old newspapers from the time if you really, if you read those and A lot of times they say they sent things to the Smithsonian and the Smithsonian says oh we just never received that And There's entire bodies of evidence That seemed have just disappeared but this kind of leads us into these stories of cavern worlds because one of these

37:41 Giant skeletons apparently was found somewhere in death valley but not on the surface of the desert and a cavern underneath. The death valley area can you tell us about that well i'm a bit familiar with the story this was originally explained in the book death valley man published by mcmillan and nineteen thirty two the chapter was called old gold And of course there's been a lot of gold that has been found, storages deposits of gold artifacts in the southwest. And supposedly it is the Aztec Gold that was sent north to escape the Spaniards

38:29 And you know your hotel of huge rooms and caverns in caves that are just filled with gold artifacts. Nobody's ever really brought that to light and been able to present it. But there were these two fellas, Jack and Bill okay? There was a an article in the newspaper about them this was in the Panamint Mountains And that's between Nevada and California and they were prospecting around there and They went through

39:06 An opening in the side of a mountain and they just stumbled into what they called a city, a city within the mountain. Yeah I mean i don't... Then we're talking about bars of gold and gold artifacts being found in drawers And then were talking about mummies 8 feet high anytime you hear about people underground beings Even human beings but from the underground for example the amazon warriors in south america you always hear about them being 89 feet high.

39:48 It's interesting, of course down below they're protected from the ultraviolet rays. We know that vegetation experiments have been done for example with tomato plants give huge tomato plants that live for years are supposed to die after or six months, and tomatoes the size of a man's head. That kind of thing. So I suppose that in underground worlds people would naturally being sheltered from the harsh radiations from the sun that they would grow to be a little taller live a little longer perhaps be a little smarter you know?

40:27 Man that's super interesting and that's not the only story of people or the only legend of a city being inside a mountain, or inside a mountain, under a mountain. People also talk about that in Mount Shasta as well many other places it seems Yes now this particular area they claim they discovered arm bands of gold, gold spears also There were some technology a system of lights fed by subterranean gases polished round table, huge table that looked like it could have been a boardroom table something like that. Giant statues of solid gold. Let's see drawers full of gold bars and gemstones of all kinds

41:20 heavy stone wheelbarrows which were perfectly balanced so that a child could use them for example. And they brought some of this treasure out with them, Apparently they were trouble crossed and they lost it. They brought some people from, lo and behold the Smithsonian Institute there and others to show them this opening that they found and they couldn't find it again apparently there had been rain cloudbursts in the countryside, the landscape had been rearranged a little bit

42:00 And they were left just high and dry, they couldn't prove it. They mentioned that as they walked through this city some 20 miles or so on the other side they came out at a certain valley and there seemed to be stone quays like, you know piers for ships and they looked at the valley below and everything. And they felt that these were... You know this area had water one time in there were ships that came here in this was the dock for the city. Weird! So yeah thats weird, that makes me wonder of course California when even when the Spaniards went there

42:45 The San Joaquin Valley was apparently underwater and you could go from the San Francisco Bay, sail several days southward. You know the water was still there and I...you have to wonder about the Phoenix area in Arizona too There's all kinds of canals in the desert connecting what were ancient towns So, you know there was water at some point and this was not a million years ago. You know? Yeah When the dinosaurs were on the face of the earth or something like that I mean these constructions are few thousand year old okay but they're not a million year old nothing like that Yeah right

43:28 Man, I love that story and it's so sad to have our past completely altered and so much of it erased by a few powerful people. But what can you do? Now another anomalous story that I really like because involves some prolonged contact with the weird little guy is this story from your website about the Prussian cave entity. Can you tell us about that little critter and the story behind him Well, let's see the Prussian cave entity. This is an interesting story The this was in prussia there was a monastery they produced casks of wine Apparently their wine had a good reputation very nice and that was mentioned that one of their casts could be sold for a pair of draft horses

44:20 So, you know I mean their wine was really worth something and it was noticed at some point that the wine was disappearing. And at one point they went into the wine cellar in the morning and there was a busted cask, and there was wine all over the floor. You know like an inch deep or something like that so they were very upset by it and uh...they tried to catch whoever was Stealing the wine and they went in there once earlier than usual or in the middle of the night, or we hours something like that. And they were poking around and in the corner they noticed there was somebody there and they tried to corner this person low and behold it wasn't a normal human being but they called him a newbie.

45:17 Now I have no idea what a Nubian is, so I looked it up in the dictionary. They referred to somebody between Ethiopia and Sudan or something like that Well... they referred to him as being some kind of human but perhaps some unknown race Of course this was in the 1200s you know? So they could only speculate about what other races of humans might be like But uh you know, they escorted him out of the wine cellar and gave him a place to stay. In the meantime they poked around in the wine cellar and they found certain couple blocks of stone that were loose and behind them was a tunnel at least wide enough for this person to shimmy in and out of but they held him there

46:16 for a while, as long as a month and he wouldn't eat. Yeah they wouldn't drink and they said well wait a minute you know nobody can live without food for that long so they were wondering we know he must be escaping at night in getting food somehow They were speculating along these lines there was a bishop nearby traveling and they called for him And when he came He insisted that this is not a Nubian, this is an underworld creature and he's the devil. And you have to get him out of here right away! They brought up the objection that what are we supposed to do? Set him loose in the countryside? One ending of the story was they disappeared into puff of smoke. Another story was that he brusquely

47:13 Push them aside or escape the arms of the brothers and ran off perhaps back to the wine cellar and then down his tunnel. So there you have this story, and of course it's very old and it is kind of hard to substantiate but it was documented by this church chronicler Gervase, I suppose that's how you pronounce it. G-E-R V-A-S-E and he was a known chronicler of his times and he put it down in writing that such and such happened at this Prussian monastery And this was the testimony of the brothers who were there on the monastery so

48:05 You know that gives a little bit of credence to it, you know You have to stop and think about it because people back then were not blithering idiots just because it was the Dark Ages. Yeah is a wild story for sure and obviously the more documentation you have for something like that the more Substantiated it can be or especially if the source is kind of official like that of church stenographer or something But those are the stories I like most, the ones that involve interactions between humans and some intelligent non-human creature that we apparently share the planet with. And if you appreciate that angle, I don't know if there's any more interesting story than that of The Green Children Of Wolpitt because that's a story that seems like these kids were around for a long time. Can you tell us this story? Well again, we have the 12th century

49:02 Which actually I said the 1200s so that would have been the 1100s, 12th century. And we have Gervase of Tilbury again the monastic chronicler in England he's called recording this strange account and this is near the town of Wolfpit which is not far from Stonehenge. Hmm Now to go to the end of the story, the story of these children was written down by a nobleman and it was signed by various people. And it was kept at a church and it was available for inspection for anybody who requested to see it. Let's see actually later on, much later on maybe I mean you know dates

49:57 Dates are hard, but I think it was ‑‑ a couple hundred years later it was still there and Gervase went there and read this account. He documented that he saw the written account of And his writing has been conserved. But the original account hasn't been conserved anymore, I mean it was just in some church in England a better part of 1,000 years ago so… You know, there you have it. But there is some documentation. Somebody whose job it was to document things – travel around and make a history – he wrote these things down that I went there and saw the account. Interesting. Yeah. Having at least some basis in our mind that this could be true… Let's go back and think about the story Wolf Pit.

50:59 Is actually more of a boat around a mound or hill and you know it's huge like half a mile in diameter something like that. And one day the fellows were in the field working and they saw these two children with, who looked like everyone else Englishman But they had greenish colored skin and they were stumbling around in the fields, and they were pretty much blinded by the light. So... And they spoke some other language. The Englishmen didn't know what to make of it so they were taken in and They were even brought to the nobleman

51:55 Where are they were given shelter in the house of the nobleman no no woman had other servants like that they were taking care off and one problem that they had with the children is it weren't accustomed to food. And i didn't want to eat anything send this particularly was a problem with the boy they did eat they recognized string beans though. And they didn't need string beans, But the boy after a few months, he just I don't know. I guess he was in shock or something like that but he just didn't want to eat. He clammed up and didn't cooperate and he actually became very sick and he perished. But his sister did not she became very strong and she incorporated herself into normal life She lost her greenish tint to her skin

52:56 Learn english became one of the the crew of the nobleman's house there you know they have mansions they have a whole. a group of servants so she was just one of them and she ended up marrying, and she stayed there her whole life working under the shelter this nobleman. And later on when she spoke good english in everything they finally sat down with third some point and asked what you know where are you from what happened and then this was written down and she told her story

53:37 Some of the things that she mentioned was that she and her brother were from a world, apparently underground. It was a cavernous world That they were on one side of a river where they lived And there was huge pasture land there and there was a river On the other side of the river was a small town This town had lights And that they remember seeing this town very often just from a distance and seeing the lights of this town but they didn't know the town all they knew was their immediate area there were just children and they were in charge of. Shepherding and then at one point they were both it's a very edge of their world where weather was a wall,

54:30 and we know where the ceiling met the ground so to speak. And they heard a bell in the distance, just like our church bell that's mentioned would sound from far off. So they went exploring and as I say, they came to the edge of their world and they poked around and they found some opening there, a cave and they walked through it You know, they were intrigued. They just kept going and even though it was dark they would feel their way around and they just went forward and they got lost but they just kept going upwards that much they knew. They kept going upwards and upwards and she imagined that it was a few days that they went without food but they just kept going upwards and finally yeah! They came to the opening where this mound was above them

55:30 And they came out and they were in the light, and there they were. Wow! Yeah that's all she could say Man... She didn't remember her family down there or anything? Well that's this is all that reaches us nowadays yeah. Yeah man thats so fascinating it's just strange that I guess nobody you know no parent you imagine if your kids go missing you would probably follow the same path or try to But that is such a fascinating story that being from inside would come out and just live in normal life, get married and just always have that strange origin story. Yeah you know I married the girl who came out of the ground who was greener spoke funny language. Just amazing really but back then i think they had more contact with

56:27 With creatures, you know like with leprechauns and I don't know. You hear about trolls. These different kinds of creatures and that they wouldn't go out at night you know? Well there's definitely a lot more folklore and a lot more willingness to accept that back in those days. I guess something has happened to us in the past few hundred years where now we just think anything that seems strange must just be not true Yeah, in the cities you don't run across that very much. Right But I would even go so far as to say that there seems to be some concerted effort to keep people away from these places and this effort has been going on for a long time

57:16 And perhaps there's an effort by the undergrounders to not show themselves. That very well could be, last time I was listening to our previous interview and you had talked about some areas where there were underground explosions and the thought is that some of these cavernous worlds or openings have been collapsed and i was thinking about that the whole secrecy behind it and it's like well what if they wanted to keep the secret and they just nuked an entire underground city, buried all of the ground. And its no longer even there! Just you know we know that the elite don't have a problem killing large groups of people especially if they want to have a certain agenda so imagine that they might've killed a whole bunch of things underneath the surface and now they have to keep it a secret because had we ever found out the truth I mean... We would be pretty upset

58:12 Right well this area 51 in utah where they had the underground nuclear explosions back in the. It was either the late sixties or just a first couple years of the seventies that is probably a classic case in point it was maybe twenty miles to the point of detonation from where the apaches made their last stand against the cavalry. It was an area where there was kind of a cul-de-sac in the mountains, there was an oasis there that had water they never stood and fought a pitched battle ever with the cavalry this time they did but uh...they ended up disappearing into the mountains and their caves were found, their tunnel systems were found

59:04 And they were known for disappearing into the mountains and showing up miles and miles away. You know, even like two weeks later their tribe showed up in Mexico you know something like that But so these were what the underground worlds of the apache stand perhaps yeah and then even today they get explode who are the apaches why would they explode underground world of the apaches i mean let's just keep in mind. The apaches were none other than tartar chinese, You know they had mongolian blood and chinese blood, they spoke tartar chinese. So much in their arrival in north america was described by the zunis and hopi to the explorer coronado as being recent prior to you maybe two generations ago they came. And even when these chinese came as immigrant workers to work specifically on the railroads

1:00:07 you know there were cases where some of them who are from northern china met with. With a patch and they would sit there in converse with each other and there was some of these chinese that went to apache reservations walked around their hand, hang out with the guys and even joking with each other in the same language So this is it like thirty thousand years ago they came across the land bridge from the bearing straight and blah blah blah this is fairly recent because if you send me to england, from the year nine hundred or something like that language had a whatever so changed from no between then and now I wouldn't be able to speak with them not even in broken old english channel.

1:00:51 But these these Apaches they were shooting the bull so to speak and even laughing and joking with The Chinese, so it's funny that here's where they made their stand. They were protecting Something there you know this you know here? You don't go beyond this point We're not going to let you we know we're gonna turn we're gonna face you And we're gonna let you have a bit lets you have it you know fight your face-to-face And that's what they did until you know they finally had to give up or they all got killed and disappeared into the tunnels and that's what. Twenty miles from where the underground nuclear explosions were, give me a break. Right it seems to fit

1:01:36 Yeah since we're talking about underground worlds i think what a bifurcation here i kinda wanted to make one point about these underground worlds in the southwest and that's where we are now but i was thinking of another european folklore story too the pied piper hamlin let me just uh... make up a point first about these days Cavern cities underneath these the mountains in in the southwest sure for example We were talking about these fellows in the panament and they made a comment About their artifacts and the statues appearing Egyptian in nature Okay, and there was another city found in the What is it the Rio Grande?

1:02:29 Grand canyon the real grand river up above at one point there was some huge doorway gateway something like that and it was seen from the river and it was noted pretty much where it was. It's been explored and it was very close to wear the adobe indians had their homes speaking of asians in america The adobe homes are typically from the tibet china area to betting chinese and we were speaking about the apaches being from northern china so there is no there you have another connection.

1:03:17 I could go on and on about this but we'll get back to this cave opening above the Rio Grande in the Grand Canyon near the Adobe settlements. And at this end, this is the one actually that ended up in a newspaper article in Arizona and the fellas that went in there spoke about going down long steps and coming into I think this was not described as a city, this was described as huge room. Something like that but again the artifacts the deities that were found were all Asian swastika you know one that looks like a deity that looked like Buddha but they also mentioned Egyptian and you hear Egyptian artifacts you hear these comments made

1:04:17 Several times about the southwest and i don't think that they were actually egyptian. I am just gonna throw this at people but play to he mentioned that the atlanteans they had their island continent which began after the pillars of hercules with just your brother that they had conquered also before the final volcanic end of their continent, of their island continent. They had already started intruding on Europe and that they had conquered on the northern side of the Mediterranean as far as Turkey and there are the Celts apparently, the Celtics existed in Spain

1:05:09 The Basque race is one of them, the Irish, the French before the Italian invasions. But as far as Turkey and along the southern Mediterranean up to Egypt and they were the neighbors then of Egypt because they had settlements in northern Africa seems that their descendants are the Phoenicians And, but anyway they were the ... Crete was Atlantean and they were the neighbors of Egypt for a long time you know I guess few hundred years. So if we maybe what we're mistaking as being Egyptian artifacts in these underground places in the American Southwest perhaps they were really Atlantian

1:06:01 because the world of Atlantis stretched as far as Mexico, as far as Cuba. The Antilles Islands and that's just a hop skip and jump to Rio Grande then you know up the river to this area Phoenix and these mountains up there so I'm thinking there might be some connection between these artifacts that have been found underground that in different places have been termed Egyptian, that they look Egyptian. That there might be some Atlantean connection." Yeah I actually think that's pretty fascinating because typically you know we would just think about oh well maybe the Egyptians had more travel than we know but it i guess yeah instead of thinking of actual Egyptians or Asians coming to America...the ancient Americas we should think about previous civilization before that

1:06:58 was that spread itself out you know that actually went and influenced Egypt and also came over to America and has these things buried underground maybe there's yeah a previous source for both. Yeah because it, you wouldn't think of them in their reed ships carrying huge pure solid gold statues all the way to the new world and then lugging it up the Rio Grande and hauling it up to this cave You would think that they would just have to have a culture, a civilization that existed that far. Right yeah that was one problem I hadn't really been able to rectify because i didn't feel like they had the technology to do it at the time with their ships and vessels but what you're saying makes a lot of sense It definitely could be the case we are not thinking big enough We are no going back far enough

1:07:51 Yeah the whole idea of atlantis is just so flabbergasting you know nobody can really substantiate it and even if you wanna say the canaries, and the azores up to the british isles that perhaps that mountain ridges one. Continuous underwater mountain ridge that was Atlantis. Okay, you might want to say that but then it's it's hard to Substantiate the Atlanta stretched across the ocean You know that that's the stumper Mm-hmm So that's that's why people don't make the connection and of course now we're getting into a different subject It's kind of beyond our scope But uh, you know

1:08:34 I wanted to bring that up, perhaps that could be a topic for different day or somebody else to investigate further. Very cool Dean! I guess that about does it for us another great show i'm super glad we could do it again very much appreciated would you like to leave the people with some info about your website and your books before we go? Well on grave distractions just lookup grave distractions on on any search engine and then on the website page go to authors, and look up Dean Dominic Delusio. You'll find my book Hollow Earth in the Puranas And you'll find some of my books on Vedic astrology On Google's group excuse me Yahoo groups you will find all planets dash hollow and that is our list

1:09:26 If you just google all planets dash hollow, you'll find us and we have weekly discussions about hollower themes and. Themes in relation to underground worlds so i hope your people join us alright awesome well thanks so much again it has been really fun take care of yourself out there will just have to keep our fingers crossed for that smoking gun right oh Wow guys, there we go. I really like talking Hollow Earth, Underground Cities, Lost Atlantean mining operations... Man we know so little about the past and there has definitely been a lot of culture destruction A lot of rewriting history and pretty much all we hear about is European expansion And near genocide after near genocide of any culture in its wake

1:10:18 And when you hear all the stories of what the Smithsonian has covered up and what religions may have covered up and coded into their text about our ancient past, why does everyone in power want to hide it manipulate it and spend a lot of money and energy carrying on this lie? Something is definitely up when you step outside of our current neat and tidy, plain old humdrum reality and you examine the sloppy trail of weirdness that reeks of cover-up in several areas. And the question we're left with is how big a secret can they keep? Can they really hide two massive polar openings in 2015? Dean would say they're not even doing a good job of hiding them because he can show you radar images and shots that show it very clearly. And maybe those shadowy puppet masters destroyed the cavern world cultures years ago, and that's why we have even less stories today It's impossible to know but it is so fun to consider! In the plush show We got into the underground aspects

1:11:14 Pied Piper story, was that removed by happenstance or concerted effort? But we also talk about Brazilian balls of light South American explorers and lost Atlantean mining setups and stories of several legends of giant Amazon warrior women that resided underground And a ton of other great stuff. I also love that Green Children of Wolf Pit story What the hell is going on there But if you're in it for the long haul, hop over to TheHigherSideChatsPlus.com to subscribe and be the wind beneath my wings We've all heard the drill, bada boom bada bing I love you guys Next week...I am happy to say we have the LONG awaited exploration of the 440Hz conspiracy The use of frequency as a weapon And the suppressing Of the healing effects Of the sacred geometrically aligned frequencies

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