David Rodriguez | The Education Conspiracy And The History Of Forced Schooling

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00:43 How's it going, Hireside Chatters? Drinking a little drink. Smoking a little smoke doing it the way I think it should be done from sunny San Diego! I'm Greg Carlwood and we know that all around us is a carefully crafted reality conjured up by the sorcerers of social engineering aimed at shoehorning society into passionless careers as cogs in the nefarious elite's money-making machines but what are we gonna do about it We see that our self-sufficiency and natural instinct has been stripped away in exchange for a nation of teat suckling adult babies for the powerful system, but how do we unravel the mess and move forward? Well it's much more effective to attack the root or control tree than spend your time hacking at various branches. And where it all starts is for me as The Mighty Education Machine! One of the biggest names in the fight against that machine is highly respected and decorated teacher turned whistleblower John Taylor Gatto

01:32 While John's writing and words have woken many and inspired even more, his health has made lengthy interviews difficult in recent years. But lucky for us, John doesn't fight alone! So with us today is David J Rodriguez the publisher of John's epic 400-plus page beacon of light entitled The Underground History Of American Education He is also the founder of the Education Options Expo, which is an event where parents are introduced to respectable schools and approaches to learning. And where they hear from leaders who are demonstrating the future of education today. A champion of progress in a man of the people David my man welcome to THC Hey Greg great to be with you and very happy to have an exciting conversation for the benefit your listeners

02:14 Well said man and thanks so much for doing this. This is such a key issue, and if the people want to educate themselves on anything conspiratorial, force schooling really is the most important thing because its effects are so widespread And you don't need to speculate because all these plans are very well documented aren't they? They are! They've listed them from various philosophers back to Plato And all the way up through Machiavelli, Johann Fichte in Germany. Wilhelm Wundt from Germany as well I mean a lot of folks that put it out then they realize the young people are so moldable and easy to form that if they can just indoctrinate them with their theories and value systems then its really hard to come out from that

03:04 And so that's why William James said that habit is the flywheel of society, and it keeps the wealthy kids away from the poor kids because of habits. It has been recognized for hundreds and thousands of years, and now we're starting to see it come to fruition here. It's really a testament to the work of John Taylor Gatto to dig up these resources And this is a time when the internet wasn't around and so he took the libraries look stacks in original documents there from the library's sending out various requests for these books and manuscripts and it is definitely well documented. Run that's one of my favorite parts about this particular study because,

03:54 There at the time in the early nineteen hundred or a lot of people who even wrote about what was going on this one thing i wrote down here this quote was from bernie kidd and nineteen eighteen he wrote, chief and was to impose on the youth the ideal of subordination at first the primary target was the tradition of independent livelihoods in america. Unless yankee entrepreneurship could be extinguished the immense capital that mass production industry required wasn't justifiably viable so students were trained to think of themselves as employees competing for the favor of management i mean boom that's what school is right there it really isn't that was. What's unique about america

04:36 Is that it was started by a bunch of either former slaves or involuntary servitude slaves and people who left Europe, or wherever continent they came from for a chance at freedom. Generally religious freedom and they got out here there's no authorities telling what to do so they had to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and make the churches and make their homes Makes the agricultural and really you had to do it or it was not going to get done. And so that created a strong society of people who are self reliant, independent and as

05:16 Great britain start to realize what was happening to their colonies is it man we gotta get rid of this he said yankee entrepreneurial ism. Because in great britain it was a class system and it was the monarchy, can you essentially had the elite and you have the underclasses so now you have this version middle class of people where you can create your life if you have the courage to go out and do so if you're not, call me that time you had a curse get across the atlantic no huge ship in those put your life at risk today just fly over there six seven eight hours easy transport but yeah the independent self reliance was a big problem for monarchy and for controlling the masses.

06:07 Right and that is a good point that this type of schooling had been rolled out in other areas before it was rolled out through europe we routinely hear that. It came from prussia which of course is where germany as so the study of it in america is just great because it is the latest, iteration of it and the all the documents kinda show what they were trying to do there's even a quote here from woodrow wilson in nineteen seventeen where he actually said the president said we want one class of people that have a liberal education another class of people are much larger group, before go that and learn specific difficult manual tasks i mean clearly they just want people because no will you can't really mask get any better than that but.

06:51 Before we get too far into this i hope you could talk to us a little bit about john taylor gatto and his story is pretty powerful he's been such a key whistleblower in this that it deserves a little bit of attention i'd say yes john taylor gatto is probably the foremost. voice in authentic education today, meaning not compulsory education. He taught eighth grade for 30 years in New York City and received the State Teacher of the Year Award twice and the city teacher of the year award three times And he's spoken in all 50 states usually at homeschool conventions sometimes for Muslim groups Christian groups

07:36 Nine countries about a respectable learning primarily homeschooling because what he speaks about is that. The compulsory nature of the system is it's achilles heel so we can. Address that in this conversation and going forward in our lifetime, this institution really is not gonna be around much longer so he had some incredible students who did great things and what she said is that I realized Teaching was an art but it wasn't an art like painting where i would put these various colors on a blank canvas.

08:16 It was more like sculpting where there's already a image inside the marble let's say in my job with that just help remove little pieces that were blocking this beautiful image from. Showing itself and a lot of it was getting out of the kids way and just helping them can identify what their interests were and then letting him free, and he turned came up with a term open source learning Where he says that teaching is not a profession teaching is a function and anything can become your teacher so with these types of ideas imagine in the. No very liberal new york city schools he was not welcome by his staff members and even said it was a saboteur,

09:05 and he worked to create this person of himself you were where three pcs the school in. Yeah let kids in the hallway was really kind of a big figure in the school but he did that so that people would not mess with him, and he can actually work with me students if some listeners wanna see this action here is a great documentary for free on youtube just search classrooms of the heart and you can see him in action For about twenty minutes and you can get a taste of what he was doing it's very inspirational but he is one of the. Like i said most important voices in education and we're gonna be working to getting this workout for the next year or two and hopefully make a film here in the coming years so that's important yeah trojan horse teaching i love it and uh... i think

09:54 What are the quotes i've heard from john when he came out and start whistle blowing about this is i don't wanna hurt kids to make a living any longer and that is real profound statement, i had some other quotes that would kinda grease the wheels for this conversation education another one that i loved that you said was. Rage don't measure anything other than your relevant obedience to a manager again at driving home that point that we're just bread to suck up to authority another good one this is kinda key as. Children learn what they live put kids in a class and they will live out their lives invisible cage isolated from their chance at community, interrupt kids with bells and horns all the time and all they will learn is that nothing is important or worth finishing. Ridicule them and they will retreat from human association shame them and they will find a hundred ways to get even these habits taught enlarge scale organizations are deadly and these are the things we teach our kids

10:51 Eight hours a day forty hours a week i mean that alone get you ready for the nine to five soul sucking reality gonna have from cradle to grave but yeah it's. It's he is a great guy with amazing quotes and he says it better than i can but it is a serious problem, Yeah and what are the reasons he's one of the most quoted folks in the home school. World is because he has the courage to speak what he sees and he's not a politically correct what he's concerned about is, the minds of young people you also said that genius is as common as dirt

11:31 And that there's inside of us this ability and if we're able to just allow ourselves to kind of be free and explore it document so many stories of people who have achieve success without the traditional quote degrees and diplomas. As you probably well know these degrees and diplomas are useless meaningless for real productive work. And he demonstrates that by saying, When was the last time you asked your barber your accountant engineer whoever the professional person you're working with when it was last time you ask them for their scores for their GPA for high school diploma is that have you even thought about doing it.

12:21 you have it because we know deep down there useless and they're not real. And if you wanna know if your barber is a good professional at cutting hair and making me look good looking the mirror and say okay no this is a nice haircut did grades don't measure that, end y'all mentioned the importance of habits man when we are spending twelve years listen to the bells every forty minutes as he mentioned we learn that nothing's worth starting because we can't finish it and, we learned that somebody else will give us the assignment. And then they will evaluate us in a little prove us or they want approve us and in terms of the original colonies back when this country first began you evaluated yourself and said ok does this product work this is

13:16 Field yield fruit whatever the event that you're doing and so realizing that self-reliance of valuation is the key and he brought to the forefront. And i couldn't agree more and get us into their history a little bit one more quote i wanna read from johns, This was once a land where every sane person knew how to build the shelter grow food and entertain one another now we have been rendered permanent children is the architects of force schooling who are responsible for that and. Man to share this powerful stuff but let's elaborate a bit on the history there knowing how this is all set up it's pretty crucial so as far as the american school system is concerned when and how did all this gonna get started

14:04 The first year that compulsory attendance laws were passed was eighteen fifty two in massachusetts and the political spearhead. Behind it was horse man and he was a very ambitious and he went to visit the prussian, Facilities and the reason is because they had a army that was obedient and they were able to control the actions of their soldiers i said how are you guys doing that we need to control society so they wouldn't learn how.

14:46 indoctrinating their students and was drilling in habit forming and the three hours which we hear so common is reading writing arithmetic what's not part of the situation it was actually. Expressively to create public opinion to have a lease manipulate the society and they would use the, indoctrinated classes to be there human resources and that's where it originated from as i mentioned before goes back for hundreds and even thousands of years.

15:22 Philosophers realizing that if we can know with their evil sinister voices just get our kids right to the kids and then they can you no control the future and they said that you know that what we are teaching our kids will be the future adults, so yeah i came from prussia germany and because. It benefits the state the state naturally wants to grow their power and if they can pull away the kids from. Their parents now they can indoctrinate them with whatever values and attitudes in habits that would benefit the state, end what's interesting is that when compulsory education first began

16:06 It was only three months out of the year and it was from eight age nine to twelve years old so it's this incremental is a shin, like the income tax was where they said okay we just gonna be little you know three months out of the year then you can have your kids help you on the farm. And little by little they expanded the time in had a younger ages and older ages and now they want to have compulsory preschool. And it's just remarkable what they're doing, and what I would say the parents now is understand that the state has its motives and you have its motives. So do you want to share your values of family with your kids?

16:52 State has its own values and there's no real restraint in what they wanna do great analogy is imagine that mcdonalds was in charge of the school system. What would they be indoctrinating the kids in? Will they be sharing, hey here's all the cartoon characters on the wall and we can pledge allegiance to the M. And look at these great products and food is great for us when in reality it's not. Documentaries just show the fast food nation negative effects of that but

17:29 whoever's controlling the curriculum and assignments in the system would naturally have a large influence on their development so this is what the state wants to do and actually it's. Going towards more collectivism because its benefits the state increase taxes and decrease freedoms and personal respect for the person and this is the origins I love that mcdonalds analogy man is a pretty good and two names i hear a lot about in the early days of getting this thing set up our rockefeller and henry ford it's funny because almost everyone i know has negative feelings about the rockafellas family, what people have huge respect for henry ford but he's the one who reduces us to screw tightens on assembly line you know i mean. He was really just as big apart of this is anybody at the time wasn't me

18:24 He was yeah and he is famous for saying i wanna a nation of workers i don't want to nation of thinkers. And the reason is that if you have a nation of fingers then are they gonna buy your products are they going to simply accept will you tell them is the truth, Or are thinkers critical thinkers are they going to actually doubt what you have to say and maybe create a product that competes with your products or recommend other. Alternatives to what your suggesting and they understood that if you cannot think critically then you're gonna buy the products and also as you mentioned they needed factory workers so

19:10 So if you do have a employee, would you want an employee that accepts your orders verbatim? Or do you want one that maybe he'll... Do your bidding today maybe tomorrow who disagree with you and create a little right within the lab laborers there in recent descent no you want somebody who's going to accept what you tell him to do period. And that's what they had in mind for their manufacturing facilities and consumption of products so it is the fourth foundation carnegie rockefeller all had interest because they're big money and,

19:50 There they have their interests which would be maintaining their influence and consumption of their products and goods and what. Rockefeller said was that competition is a sin so i have the idea complete monopolization, end social order towards international station in a world order these folks want to create a global state Where everybody is the same and if you just sent your frowned upon in not received where as an early part of this country descent was expected to citizen to speak your voice this is why freedom speeches so important. Yeah no that too well i got kicked out a private school, just for being rebellious there's everybody else what you get kicked out for and really there isn't actual

20:47 You know then i can site except well to private school they didn't like my rebellious nature and so they just said get out of here. That's what happened but, i'm reading a lot more than i typically do in an interview but i wanted to read another paragraph here that not only gives us some the names we need but also talks about these foundations and i think people get confused cuz equate these foundations with being charitable which really isn't the case but yeah Here we go.

21:26 with legendary names like JP Morgan, Carnegie, Mellon, Guggenheim, Vanderbilt, Peabody and Ford. Today we know them by the foundations they created totaling over 550 billion in today's dollars and by their vast corporate holdings in businesses like Chase Bank, Ford Motor Company, JPMorgan, Rockefeller Center, Carnegie Hall etc With their incredible sudden wealth also came enormous tax bills. Their solution was to create for themselves with the help of bought politicians, tax exempt non-profit organizations or NGOs In 1900 there were 21 corporate NGOs and by 1990 some 50 thousand had spawned

22:05 Do their creation of the NGOs not only could they shelter well but also be able to develop a new science called scientific social engineering, do influence federal state and local politicians and the public at large for their own wishes desires and needs i mean you don't have to do much speculation it seems pretty obvious when you hear that. Correct date you understand that taxes would eat away at your wealth so that they can have a front of charity and public good similar to the clinton foundation right there under some scrutiny now as well where. Speeches in donations are not going to charitable goods and so yeah this is a way that big money is able to do that and not pay taxes just have huge reservoirs of cash and capital and

22:59 Influence is naturally you can buy off any person generally every person has a price and so we have this type of money. And what's also interesting as they have prestige because the many folks do not know about this type of background an initial insight into their intentions, and so it is easy to see these great events at carnegie hall you have various fronts and that actually occurred because Rockefeller was getting some bad publicity. And so he had some PR guys, Edward Bernays and Ivy Lee back in the early 1900s and they suggested perhaps you should have some positive and good light public relation news

23:50 And so that's what they started to do is make these contributions and foundations to appear good. And Carnegie is actually famous for, Andrew Carnegie for donating a not a piano but an organ to many churches around the nation. So he would give these organs to churches for free. That just creates this good will from the churches And who knows maybe they'll give us some more down the road so it's like okay will keep them in good light and you know the lot of money and just a good organization is this is the. I caught me all these foundations that sometimes they actually do some good work early service work,

24:35 And then on the underside their funding compulsory education and. Even know they get to the medical field in just started convoluted true health and this is a different topic but there are widespread, end their generally not positive for the average person but they do serve their own personal interests well said that charitable PR front then on the back end on the underground there doing things to suit their needs i mean it's kind of a common thing but. This is obviously how to two hundred years saga and most guys who set this up have died out, what are all of them if its two hundred years but these foundations are alive and well and are they very involved with the school system today they are and

25:31 The most prominent one today is the gates foundation to build a minute belinda gates foundation. Yeah they have been finding the creation of the common core curriculum, And for any of the listeners who want a good chuckle, if they have a little bit of humor go to YouTube and type in 2 plus two equals five. You'll see a representative of Common Core saying well if they can explain in words how they got 5, 2 plus 2 can equal five then yes they would get it marked correct. So this is just one example

26:11 horrible the curriculum has come where you think your learning something in school and they come up with these great names no child left behind, end reality is that when you force somebody to learn something are you forced anybody to do anything there's a natural resistance. And by forcing somebody actually are disrespecting their rights as a person and that's why i believe the four schooling system is one of the Most heinous organizations on earth because it does that and is not to go after the teachers so if your teacher out there understand you're part of a victim as well the students are victims the teachers are victims because nobody explain this to you, end i have family members who are. Retired teachers or current teachers and principals they're great people i love them

27:04 And when you join the school system you wanna help kids i'll become a teacher to respect your profession in the heart of it. Is the word pedagogy from the latin route pedagogical which you can look up but, The the term comes from a slave the pedagogue was not the creator of the curriculum but i deliver of the correct answer the master so the master creates the curriculum and the pedagogue delivers, the content to the student so this is quite alarming to understand that.

27:43 If you really want to be helpful in the students learning then you want to inquire of them and this is also the root word. Education educo to draw from within to elicit rather than trying to give me painting analogy, You're trying to remove what's blocking it to draw from within this already the genius inside of us and that's also what buckminster fuller said he had a great quote is every child born genius. What they get genius trying to please their teachers and please their parents so you wanna be aware of the school system itself in bed,

28:27 You force people to learn you actually not getting real learning and you can cause a lot of resentment so. As i get it would say don't become your child's teacher become their partner another learning partner and find something that they're excited about in the cut them loose so they can go out and pursue for themselves Well said and i agree with your point about teachers in the people trying to do good they want to educate children so this is the only way they know to try to do it may dedicate their lives and it isn't nobel effort but. You know there's also probably some good cops out there too but the criminal justice system as a complete mess and you know its hard to, do good when your kind of soldier in a system that is oppressive but

29:13 This is the choices we have in this kind of society that is tightly gripped by these corporate elite. Yes i want to ask you for a lot of people this system of schooling is all we know so the idea that you could just remove it sounds pretty scary john also talks about in the book how the system drives us to look at other people and society is unruly, reinforces the mindset that people need to be regulated help us unraveled admit even if it is. Not a great system how do we know would be ok without completely yet the Crutch of the system is compulsory attendance laws and the reason that's so important because it's state funded. And the state gets their funds based on attendance loss so if you ever heard of someone being a truant or a truancy officer, they're out trying to find these kids to put him in school because on there attendance rosters

30:11 They got a check attended school today because if they don't have a certain level of attendance they lose funding so when you understand that the schools get paid off of attendance. Then when you begin with drawing your kids from the school system this will inevitably reduce their funding and reduce their size and scope so in, in the beginning of this country's founding there were schools but they weren't compulsory And they were allowing many different ages of students to mix with each other and it was something that the students would want to do or the parents would encourage them to do. Where is the system we have today?

30:56 You have no choice because if you don't show up you'll become a true and get letters and fines and potentially spend some time in jail. Because the state believes that they own your child and have some type of parenting responsibilities, end it's really the core part of it is the compulsory attendance law so what does that You make a tennis voluntary in five years you have some really interesting schools pop up and within 10 years of having the most innovative.

31:35 Options and alternatives and respectful schools in existence so he said ten years just by making attendance voluntary will be a positive major impact but there are schools have been around there's a school called summer hill in the uk it's been around for over ninety years you can watch a movie about on youtube for free. And there is no compulsion, And some of the students have become engineers and architects in scientists professors and authors just great impactful professions getting value to mankind. End the philosophy of the school is if they don't wanna take classes because i do have optional classes then they don't have to take class as a complain all day, end your interview

32:32 last name is neil and he said when you give a child freedom play and play but then at some point. They get this internal spark and motivation that they wanna learn something and so they will actually begin exploring. And it will become adventurers in people that want to look into stuff read into different subjects which the most powerful motivation there is a self-motivated otherwise you're a cog wheeler slave of a master and your told to do it,

33:11 And so you gotta do it otherwise gonna be whipped or punished and that's not how the human spirit flourishes human spirit forces under freedom and liberty, end in respectful environment the student becomes a great intellectual and just really remarkable. Options do exist so i don't think we're trying to remove the system tomorrow but the conversation and what. I'm up to with my education options expo is too show parents that there are respectful models out there there's a lot of people concerned with schools so rather than trying to bang our heads against the wall and say all this political institution which it is,

33:56 Is not listening to us which it doesn't what can we do about it just be resigned no the reality is that there are phenomenal options available today and they're all based on voluntary attendance, which means you can go or not you can do homeschool and theres a lot of solutions which have proven records. and you don't have to be stuck in the current state of school is actually a lot of hope and there won't be too much resistance from kids the resistance that she comes from parents, end the state which gets financial rewards by their attendance.

34:39 And i concur and i like this part of the book where john uses the example of driving to try to dispel a lot of the myths around learning in this need for regulation because, driving is so important it really is a life and death issue n everyone learns to drive really matter about hours and then they're kind of out on their own for the rest of your life yes we have accidents but. It's a really small fraction when you consider all the drivers on the roads and not only that but gasoline. He mentions that five gallons of gas is as explosive as a stick of dynamite, but anyone can get it without signing anything or showing ID and yet we don't have widespread problems with people using it for destructive purposes so...it does make for a great example for multiple reasons when you think about

35:24 do we really need the schooling you know is it gonna be complete chaos if we just let people do what they wanna do when i was here the example of driving you have. Several reasons why people can be okay on their own and there isn't widespread cast i'm so glad you brought that up great because i love that essay also the art of driving, Any does he mentions that three gal or seventy five gallons of gas is one stick dynamite so if you drive in a car with. Fifteen gallons of gas to effectively are driving around with three sticks and dynamite, can you take up ten hour twenty hour practice course and driving and then you're driving on the road you know what you want there and kill people or kill yourself and it's such a

36:11 Demonstration that when the state wants to allow certain things they allow it. Because our society depends on people being able to drive to the store being able to drive to school is being able to know transport themselves, And this skill of driving is so important. And if they block that you know they would block a lot of their corporate profits but it is the art of driving and what it would mean if we couldn't drive, i would be quite a negative impact on the economy

36:48 And so just think about that you drive and you have this potential explosion in your vehicle but you didn't have to go through some no. Years of practice literally can learn as you mentioned a few hours is the new ones is your pickup later what, there's a funny story john talks about when You learn to drive i believe you was eleven twelve years old and his uncle said okay johnny, you gonna learn to drive today in johnson man i was so fearful he said here's what you do rectangle. Hello ghost forward the pedal left stops when u wanna turn left to turn left when it's one of turn right turn right that's it that's all you need no let's go your get driver seat experiences the best teacher

37:39 Absolutely. So just the truth is that stuff we are able to learn easily if we believe we can and so this is what Also known as learned helplessness is after we learn from quote experts that we need approval when you get permission and if i make a mistake thats bad. We start to cripple our minds to block us so without me don't even try anything in the example which is a fact how elephants are trained,

38:16 You know about this in the circus you have a baby elephant who has their leg chained to a post. And the baby elephant tries to pull that chain and they're trying really hard and at some point, give up and they conclude i can't break this change will be open becomes huge and now, elephant is tied to the stake with a rope What is your thousands of pounds and then when the elephant starts to pull his leg he feels that resistance. And hit triggers memory that i try when i was a kid and i can't break this chain so this is called learn helplessness when reality,

39:01 The elephant is very powerful can easily just break the road break the stake and go on a rampage in be free but he learned from his previous conditioning that i cannot do that so in the same way our minds are conditioned from young age and one of the. What's up school which is really offensive and damaging n even i'm learning your listeners probably understand to that, Failure is actually one of the greatest things in the learning process. As you mentioned, experience... Hey when you experience something whether it's a business or project or relationship whatever might be and you fail if you can sit down afterwards and actually reflect upon it say what happened okay think about it You can learn a lot versus school system which teaches you that six out of ten as failure

39:56 When in the business world if you can get six out of ten right you become a massive success and in the baseball world three out of ten. Hit it getting hit put you in the hall of fame so our understanding has been definitely convoluted and reality we can learn anything for giving that opportunity, Right and another important angle of this topic that i had even thought about much and it hit me like a ton of bricks with the infantilization of adults like creating adult babies increasing the age of dependence in putting off adulthood, talk to us about this piece of the puzzle little bit yeah what. John talks about is the extension of childhood and that adolescence

40:40 had never existed before history because it was a made up term by educational psychologists and what he says is that. What time you're seven your ready to take on some responsibility is about the time your twelve if you still thinking your kid no you gonna have some troubles in life so the reason they wanna do that extend childhood, any infatuation of kids Is because it's easier to manage and so that's why you have college students or young people today twenty, twenty five thirty, thirty five. Perhaps still looking for their purpose looking for their dream and I understand because nobody asked me that question i have a business degree in that's not the question they ask you about the meaning of life and have some philosophical conversation which is so important

41:39 What they teach you that consumer is on your way to happiness and what. John also talks about his schools create incomplete human beings so when you are having extended childhood you seek approval from other authorities, end if they don't approve the net actually affect your state of mind your emotions Where is an adult independent individual self reliance understand yes you do want to be respectful the people in you wanna have trust with people but.

42:18 at the end of the day it's what you think about you its what michael jackson call a man in the mirror make the world better place take a look at that guy and he is the guy that can give your raise that can help open up doors for u. And so yeah the extended infantilization is for managerial benefits, and for the corporate benefit as well that you wanna buy No the iphone five and six seven nine ten because you think that next. Next version or that next edition is gonna fulfill you and i think it's a great phone but understanding the philosophy behind that, is continually to replenish emptiness that you feel what would reality the only way you can fill that is the internal

43:14 capital, the internal satisfaction. And this can come from your individual growth from your experience, your adventure and understand that you're the one who makes the meaning for your life not to these corporate entities out there Well said and yet planned obsolescence another big component of the american system but i know that aspect to the creating adult babies thing is child labor laws they tie into this and it's kind of funny cuz were sort of bread, think about the past as barbaric in the modern way is more civilized when you think about child labor does feel bit gross but.

43:50 That's really just the spin they put on child labor because what you're really doing is taking away meaningful hands-on life experience during the age when it's most important and to revisit. The quote i read at the beginning children learn what they live but kids in a class and they will live out their lives in an invisible cage i mean, What is that but a cubicle and not really is what's behind the change there right it's not that protecting children they didn't do it for that reason they did to. The kind of nerve life experience for people in the young ages right yeah baby use child labor so that they can block kids from going into the workforce and put him into these schools which would give them the social,

44:37 Foundation for a collectivist society of first social mind is john dewey would say where he said that no the purpose of schooling isn't learning and preparing you for the future but to help you get along in this in the social aspects. Which really is just quite alarming because learning is about an expressive, individual learning to read it right in No pursue the interest that you have and child labor blocks kids from getting into the real world and if you study like thomas edison and benjamin franklin people achieved.

45:18 These great things even in today's world they are out in the world getting their hands dirty and trying a trial and error. Learning mixing with older people and that's one of the other parts of schooling is that you only get interact with people your same age so since, If you're ten years old and hang with a bunch of 10 year olds, you have no experience to learn or people can learn from their experience. Whereas if your hanging out with 14 year olds or 16 year olds they've got more experience to share with you and they can prepare for what's gonna happen next in the

46:01 The child labor laws are ways to put kids into schools and say well you can't go to work so i best the best thing to do is just go to school. And in there learn the social policy and, norms that the state wants to learn rather than the four mentioned independent self reliance and what gato calls at age twelve is a twelve year old, is it the height of their intellectual resilience there energy ability to deal with setbacks.

46:37 So age twelve is such an important age because they have all those things going for him when you take that dynamic individual and you put them inside of the classroom, give a little borious irrelevant assignments then they realize that learning is boring this isn't my life. And other people are gonna tell me what to do with my life because no this is this is the way it is And if you went to public school, as I did that's how i felt too. I said man is this how it is? You look around okay this is how it is And the truth is that's not how it was in the past. In the past, it was all about letting kids out whether with a farm or build homes, build boats do whatever they can to get real world experience and by the time they're 12-14 like Benjamin Franklin and the rest, they have businesses multiple incomes and they actually see that they were responsible for their life

47:38 And they can create whatever i want to yeah and we're talking about. Kids working i mean work is a broad term in the sense when i say ten year old selling cell phones at the mall but when, You are allowed to work in their time was like you said building a barn or home or farming i mean those other tools of self reliance imagine being fourteen years old and having erected two structures, can know how to grow your own food i mean that puts you already ahead of some people that are fifty years old today. Absolutely. Yeah, and you know today it's so alarming as well because we don't know any of that stuff We don't know how to find water how to become self-sufficient with planting and growing vegetables building a shelter building a boat writing a song entertaining ourself. We're now caught up in nationalized and even internationalize entertainment where we can't amuse ourselves. We actually depend upon

48:42 or the voice, or sports, whatever it might be. And that's fine you can entertain yourself but the point is if you don't have a choice to entertain yourself for the inclination now you become dependent on external sources where the most powerful source is inside of you and also the community around you our neighbors many people do not know their neighbors so yeah there's this growing dependence Organism rather than individual and on the subject another line that just blew my mind was something to the effect that, when all this was implemented correctly it wasn't uncommon to see individuals well into their thirties still performing meaningless tasks and waiting to start their lives. I mean damn david being thirty myself in looking at where i was just a few years ago and then the lives of people like you up with the truth and that is so right hurts

49:39 It really is. And I'm curious to learn about your journey as well, but mine is also like...I really didn't get the chance to pursue my own interests until I was maybe 27-28. I'm 33 right now and somebody finally said what do you want to do? And I said, well, I don't know! You know, I've got all this 20 some years of formal education and nobody's ever asked me that question so the The exciting thing is that now we can come to the reality that this is, we can create our life. And if we can just first of all for me I had to forgive a lot of people because I was so upset with the system and how they disrespected my individuality and I was in a state of anger for awhile. Amen You're right? So now were in a state of getting the word out you have your media company doing a fine job helping empower people

50:33 And so now i can we gotta get productive and transmute energy so that we can become people who take responsibility for life and not blame anybody but then try to help other people cross that bridge. And it's actually really sad to admit this lady, last week she was twenty two years old going to university out here and not excited about it didn't have the fire in her eyes. And i explained what we're doing the philosophy you know helping kids find a self directing school or do you know find their own passions your own interest so they don't have to be told what to do with your life, and she looked at me kinda concerned that he said

51:15 That sounds hard. I said i know it is hard but its harder being four years fifty or sixty looking back on your life and say man i didn't live, i didn't do what i wanted to do right and that's the uh The regret that i think we all want to avoid if we become aware of it and understand that hey we can learn we can go forward and take some risks and yeah the outcome is gonna be in our hands rather than some strangers. I said before midlife crisis is just when you finally wake up but it's too late to do anything about it and your stock in the job you've always had so you just go by a motorcycle say screw it but. You mentioned that when this first started to be instituted it started off slow just, a couple of different years and there was only a couple months a year and it was only through you know a certain number ages nine through twelve i believe

52:12 So when for schooling was first instituted here was there much resistance to it. There was yet it was great resistance because parents had smell something fishy that the promise of free education and state being in charge, end that's how they do what they actually had to take armed guards and march the kids school with horseback Because of this new law that pass and parents were very resistance to it in so after a while they you know if they fell to the intimidation and. The state power of coercion was not received well,

52:58 And it's because there was a distrust for government in large institutions. This is in the 1800s and still a relatively new country, but we came from the monarchy and class system of Great Britain and people wanted religious freedom they wanted to live their life and they had been doing so for a couple generations running their farms having Kids help out on the farms. And now you have this state that comes along and says, now we're going to give you free education for your benefit but we're gonna force you to do it and the parents were not receiving it. After a while, you can coerce people into doing it. 1852 was Massachusetts and I believe

53:51 California was eighteen ninety four something like that so it didn't fall like dominoes you know i want your this one in a year later but it took decades of constant propaganda and. Starting the benefits of the school system and yet thirty or forty years later finally, the majority of schools start to adopt it but he wasn't wasn't something that the parents were excited about Yeah i think that would shock a lot of people because we just take it for granted now a lot of people probably fight. Do the nail to keep it which is such a funny situation we just,

54:33 We know what we know what were familiar with the anything where anything that's unknown is scary to us but it is important to note that this idea that people are generally dumb and can't take care of themselves, might be a little more true today because the way we've been bread in his finally tune system but its not natural state of people industrialist who set this up worried about. what we called earlier yankee entrepreneurial ism and what they were calling over production and they saw all these people forging their own path as a real threat to their stranglehold i can't help but think. That the internet has really given us a huge opportunity to reclaim what was lost when you say absolutely agree with greg over production known today's over capacity in conjunction with the internet,

55:24 Is is revolutionary so just for some background overproduction refers to. The ability of young independent entrepreneurs to come up with products and solutions which would make other businesses obsolete so for example let's say great you are the manufacturer, vhs videos and that's what you do have contract us how you make your money and then i come along with this idea for dvds So if you're not paying attention my technology of dvds will. Supply your vhs business your equipment your staff everything that's putting food on your table will make it obsolete in a matter of years so what we're seeing today with the internet,

56:16 I would say the app world so many various apps that are making it convenient for people to do their business carry out their personal tasks. is so exciting because the internet has opened up the field for anybody with a little bit of coding experience or sometimes you don't even need to code but you can set your own TV channel which you've done on YouTube, set up your podcast radio show. You can become a writer setup blog for free and so with those tools and then the distribution platforms you can now get your word out

56:56 I can't remember who said this a few weeks ago well known. Media personality but he said it doesn't matter where you publish your work now because if it's if its value with interest, other people catch on and tweeted or share it or it doesn't really matter the main thing is that you get out there and do it and this is what a seth godin talks about here is a great book called what to do when it's your turn In quotations it's always your turn and he said you have all these great technologies in most people don't. I'm using it when terms of producing lot of people are consuming but actually create eating work creating art because they don't realize how revolutionary is so the idea of overproduction,

57:47 Over capacity could be preempted if the individual student didn't have the ability to create so that's why you have a school system which does not promote entrepreneurial ism and isn't that interesting when we. value and hail entrepreneurs. Celebrities these days you know ceos and founders in tech startups or whatever kind of start up you have there's a little bit of prestige behind it but in twelve years of government funded compulsory schooling, you won't find one class and you might in some elite public schooler quote high end public school finds something like that but the

58:36 The real benefit would be coming from apprenticeships internships actually getting out there with a master in the trade you know ten years older than yours to me five or. Some amount of more experience and then you learn what they're doing, And that's not what they want. They want corporate employees, they want corporate consumers and so when overproduction comes to conversation we can actually produce a lot whether through media there are some really great solutions out there and you know it is good point that you bring up Yeah man! That was a great VHS example because when you think of all the progress and advancements there have been

59:20 Infinite nearly except in the big industries that these guys were and call electricity and gasoline there's been almost zero, advancements in these in these realms when they're could be a lot you know their solar wind. It goes even beyond that with some really crazy technologies that, even i have a hard time believing exist yet there are scientists out there that say no it really does free energy is a thing we just can't break through. Have the industries to get it to you it is Unfathomable but i mean the proof is in the pudding those industries they don't change and those are the industry these guys were in charge of what, we have talked a lot about john's work and history here but tell us about your own working some of the options available for people who might see the problems but maybe they are aware where are these alternatives you mentioned a couple of them like summer hill order some other things going on today that make you hopeful.

1:00:15 Yeah, thank you. This is one of the things I'm excited about because after you go down the rabbit hole with John Taylor Gatto, uh, you can take check him out on his website. There's also a lady named Charlotte Isserbit Anthony Sutton As i mentioned i was in a state of anger and so i wanted to trans mutate energy and so. The great quote from fuller again was you never change reality by fighting against it, you must create new models that make the old model obsolete so i just actually had an event here in san jose last weekend where we had

1:00:52 Proponents of unschooling dana martin is me dana martin.com we had proponents of agile learning centers dot com from new york, we have the threat management bodyguard academy and the models If you want to search them called democratic schooling or self directed learning homeschooling unschooling. Montessori schooling and that's a handful of solutions you can take a look at the event around they been proven and now they're starting to become more popular,

1:01:28 And the challenge that i find is number one people don't know about them so i have a youtube channel where i've done interviews and you can take a look there another part is that parents are fearful of them because. The logic is that will look at me i went to public school i turned out fine no why am i gonna try this, What different model that you know my damage my kid well what parents should understand and i strongly recommend take a look. Is that forced schooling compulsory education is the new phenomenon just in the last hundred fifty years has it been really implemented in us, into under two years there in germany prior to compulsory attendance laws

1:02:18 What type of schools weather well that was a pentagon ships it was somebody you would find a cobbler or blacksmith carpenter or whatever trade and ability wanted to learn and you would go. Learn under them and then as you know ventured out to the world, You would say i studied under mr smith and this is what you know how to study for a year two years and that was how you got around in no got to grow your skills. So the models that you school exists respectful inquire into the student and ask you know what do you wanna learn what are you interested in and also as dr peter gray is demonstrated play, so important.

1:03:08 that we should associate learning with play and for me personally i really hated reading growing up because they assign me all these boring books but it wasn't until i was in my twenties where, i discovered like books were i can choose what i wanna read interested on excited about. And that's when i started to become more of a reader End start to learn some of the habits and assumptions which school system gaming. What's the various options you can discover online take a look at the website is education options expo dot org, end the school which i started with will be lost in the falls called valor academy which is strictly focused on internships and apprenticeships and setting kids free to pursue their own interests and dreams

1:04:00 A noble effort and that's funny about your own background is when i was in school it was always. The reading and writing the gravitated to have the most flexibility and i could not do math because it was so regimented where as, i can write an essay if a teacher wanted a four page essay i got no problem doing that cuz i can put enough of my individuality and rebellion into there As i wanted and still come out with a good grade and that's like the very rare instance where I felt my individuality was actually rewarded but it says other subjects weather zero flexibility. I was just like man screw this like i can't take it

1:04:41 It really is, and you can feel it or I could feel it personally. There's this disrespect for my own choice and that's exactly what Johann Fichte said in the early 1800s. He said school was designed – the purpose would be designed to destroy free will. He actually wrote that and also to remove the imagination of these kids. So when I started to find Gatto's work and some of these other authors, they're like yeah! I can totally understand that because you feel that when you're not allowed to express your individuality and you become this conformist just like everybody else it

1:05:24 It's a for the human spirit my experience is it's quite angry and frustrating. I'm in man and i've heard you talk about something called massive open online courses that something that's available people now, Yeah, they're called MOOCs as you mentioned and you can watch the lectures and presentations of the famous and quote respected universities around the world top professors for free. And this is the process of revolution in the educational world where you don't have to physically go to a location you can. Connect just like you and i are connecting over internet and perhaps you've done google hangouts where u see the person and you can listen to one,

1:06:15 Actually learn what they're learning and these massive open online courses are free. And you can go learn what you want to learn, you don't have to pay thousands of dollars in going into this huge college debt that many students are currently going into And I mean just on that note, i would ask the listeners if you don't know what you want to do my recommendation is not to go to college at all. You know and yeah even if you do consider what the outcome would be in really a little bit of research and don't just accept what the guidance counselor tells you at the college these are all well-meaning people but they haven't understood

1:07:02 A new job or a new career in this field looks like that's your responsibility and if you wanna find out what these universities look for there is a great interview of gato talking about the footnotes of it. What's up with was at these universities they look for a track record of distinction, Where have you been unique in your experience and it's not so much grades and scores but. Have you redesigned the schools computer network system have u travel around the nation or walked around the city have made a map, have you experienced in horseback riding no one is what he talks about also was that

1:07:48 There should be some risk involved. You know, there should not be this safe kind of net but you know put yourself to the limit test yourself and my guess is that if you have that kind of resume of these achievements and accomplishments that's going to look a lot more attractive to an employer than great grades and SAT scores from university. Amen! I don't have kids today but i'm probably gonna be getting into that next four five years but, i have been saying to all my friends who do you have kids like. Obviously it's hard to know exactly what to do but to me today couldn't be more obvious if u got a ten year old by that kid at three d printer don't buy an xbox say you want an xbox here is the printer replace everything in mom's kitchen and then we'll get the xbox.

1:08:42 That's the future. Absolutely, I love that man definitely and one of the great vendors who came last weekend was techshop.com which focuses on not only 3D printers but metal laser cutters this is you just pay a few hundred bucks a month and have a membership and have access to tens of thousands dollars equipment but the 3D printer revolution on some of the financial Websites that i follow they say just as revolutionary as the gutenberg press was injustice revolution is the internet is 3d printing on that level yeah does now,

1:09:24 Jeff Bezos is sending to outer space and Elon Musk with SpaceX. They're 3D printing metal parts, and you don't have to pay for all the expensive equipment. You just basically design it on some CAD software click print And there you go! Part that is critical to your project there some leave yeah i've even considered with a couple of friends like if we wanted to start aside business to get some of them out of their day jobs cuz im lonely over here, getting getting three printers and printing things that are.

1:10:02 How nerd related nerd culture related because you could start a business just selling things that are three d printed because i just enjoy having something it's a token assemble of the future just have something that you know is three d printed i bet. You were than five percent listeners probably own something like that and i think there's a real kind of, A window here that won't exist when it's normal and ten or fifteen years to start a small business by making three d printed objects just because of the novelty of it but yet, no you can talk to your blue in the face but people still sit at those cubicles working for AT&T and they don't get out there and try something unique like that.

1:10:42 Yeah, and it's really sad too because I felt it within myself as like an experiment on myself to step out and do something different. And we feel judged by people around us so just as the listeners would relate when you're in a classroom You don't wanna raise your hand and say the wrong answer because we've all been laughed at before and who likes to be mocked or embarrassed so in a similar way we don't want to try something off the quote beaten path. But reality is that the future is gonna be more entrepreneurship more independent contracting, end there's good book by richard gage called risky is the new safe

1:11:25 any goes to all the revolutionary technologies that are changing our life and he got a new book which is great reviews i haven't read yet called mad genius author's name is gauge g.a.g. e, end yeah we're in the middle of something thats quite revolutionary and the gentleman i can't remember his name you said The future belongs to the learners and those that are willing to know take the risk to learn new skills and new abilities especially now because there's so much information hitting us. And if we're not careful will get left behind in terms of our career and like you said no doing something different do something that you love to do when make a livelihood doing it i think thats the american dream right there,

1:12:17 I wish more people would be moving in this direction but i am seeing some progress even just two weeks ago my guest on a completely unrelated topic happened to be, music teacher at school as a day job and he said you know what im doing is intro is like well i gotta make correction of actually broken free from the school and now i'm just teaching music and. instruments freelance because hello you can do that now you have the internet you can reach the individuals the reason you needed to school there in his case, is because you didn't know how to find a kid who wanted to learn music so you sign up for this cool they signed up for this cool and. They have the middle man and then they break you off little piece take the kids money and take most of it from themselves but now you can reach those people

1:13:03 On your own and just get directly paid what you're worth instead of having some middle man break you off make the rules for you take you out of your own comfort zone make all those things and. You know it's beautiful i wish more people are going that way but there is some progress i think in fifteen twenty years the people who are still doing the job they're doing today will be the ones who made the biggest mistake of their life. Yeah and you mentioned before that leads to a midlife crisis when you realize you wasted much of your time and energy doing something that you maybe dislike or, Hey did really just for a paycheck that's understandable but now with the access to what you said customers and students and whatever might be. Now it just takes an idea and love it occurs sometimes little bit of capital but the barriers to entry,

1:13:56 are quite low and the question is you know what excites you? What do you love to do, what are good at, what can make money doing. What does the marketplace need and if you can identify some options there you put together a little bit of strategy to begin building income and one reason that independent contractors are going to continue to increase is because the employers don't have to pay FICA and Social Security Tax on independent contractors like they do for a W-2 employee.

1:14:36 So there's benefit to the employer, there's benefit to the employee or this other independent contractor because you can set your own hours generally. And the resistance is coming from the internal resistance of that individual who has their previous conditioning but there are great great online learning portals. There's something called Udemy, that's u-d-e-m-y dot com you can go and learn how to code you can go learn various skills and so there is a great array of ways to learn now and you can build website, you can build various landing pages and begin to access people in the marketplace

1:15:24 And if you are able to monetize it then you can get paid doing what you love and yeah that would be i think one of the most exciting things when your listeners to consider at least. The year in coming years i speak from experience is the dream, What can you say to parents who are listening you probably have to work maybe two jobs to get by who are maybe afraid to really take on all that responsibility and logistically, it seems difficult how can a family educate their own kids when this is kind of the reality for a lot of us. Parents should take a look into gatos worker other people's work and understand that schooling

1:16:07 Is something that damages the minds of children. And not directly, but through the habits they form. Through the attitudes and through the values that their beginning to download into your kids minds. In one of Gatto's greatest quotes in videos he said what could be a more radical idea than putting your kids under supervision of total strangers out of your supervision For twelve years of their life and so what parents if you're working two jobs or just running around i fully understand, and we definitely gotta make an income in provide for our family.

1:16:52 And what i would recommend you associate with other parents who are concerned about the school system and find out either a cooperative agreement like homeschool cooperative, working looking to alternative daycares or alternate schools and i'm in like use the word alternative because back in the days you would send your kids with. Neighbors with family members and they wouldn't be a burden on those people that actually expected to contribute. Whatever their doing so rather than being a leech,

1:17:30 On the relationship they were a contributor and producer anything just to help her know someone go for right ago from person who's gonna run some errands for you but i think it's not something that your parents are. Encourage do like immediately what you wanna begin the conversation with your partner, And you can reach out to myself or other people out there. There's great people out there who have documented, written books about self-directed learning and it's not a matter of just doing a quick decision but looking into it for yourself and you don't have to accept what we're saying or what I'm saying but look into it and understand that the human mind is the most precious thing that we have

1:18:18 And we can learn any language you know no matter where we grew up with learning language music arts public speaking writing offering. Whatever is exciting for u can learn and it's that little bit of learned helplessness that for myself i had to remove an open up the possibility in rather than saying, Yeah i can do it you know with this for positivity which i love positivity but sometimes i look at a goal and say can I do what is possible, and what i tell myself this is i learn from less brown great speaker he said tell yourself its possible.

1:18:59 Not that you can do it but that is possible so my recommendation for parents this is the stuff is possible we know with my husband or wife spouse whatever partner. It's possible we can work out a way to let our kids are child they can maximize their potential they can increase your happiness, And they can learn respect for themselves respect for other people and really we all are in this voluntary relationship world but there's a few organizations mainly the government and force going where we don't have choice you know you gotta raise your hand to go the bathroom or get a drink of water i mean it's

1:19:43 It's really upsetting if you go into the small minutia of it because we're human beings, whether we're in a building or outside. We should have basic rights to use the facilities, the latrine and just as a side note, the reason they do that is because it helps them manage their classroom better but yeah there are solutions and have the conversation read some books from Garrow as neil there's a book from blake bowls called the art of self directed learning is a gentleman out here west beach. He wrote about call self-directed learning and stories of success and he goes through east got a non traditional high school i hear graduated over fifteen hundred students some going to universities are stanford what we've been told,

1:20:36 is false, that you have to do it one way and there's so many ways to go about it. And if you're focusing on giving value to the community and respecting people and being courteous and being polite then your student or your child they're gonna turn out well and they're gonna thank you for giving them the freedom to do so Yeah those are great points and when you realize that it's actually harmful to your child, you stop considering it as an option i think a lot of people might be listening like yeah you know its not a great option but what's available but no when u. Really adopt the mindset that is harmful your actively harming your child by sending them there you have to take off the table and maybe try to find a different way, i wanted to go back to the book a little bit and tried to give people a picture

1:21:28 Maybe of what a system or society without the system would look like and maybe we could use the chapter where there's a lot to talk about the comparison between, Athens in sparta juxtaposition their gives us a lot to think about doesn't. Yeah us parton was a great military force and they use a lot of compulsory attendance and indoctrination for their students because i had the military to maintain basically a police state.

1:22:03 Correct yeah, they didn't have the enlightenment that they had over in athens for encouraging free thinking and individual responsibility but there was a this allegiance to the state in sparta and The the athens focused on the individual creativity and expression and philosophy And it's interesting because they're both in ancient Greece, but they were had the city states so they had their own governments and they were not unified.

1:22:44 different localities doing whatever they want and they can create their various models. And that's what we recommend as well i mean there is a department of education shouldn't exist there's a state department education, how do you should exist and you have the county in the city level if anything if you do want some type of government running schools at least have a local level but The straw in the camel's back for me is the compulsory education attendance. If you are forcing people to attend, that means you've removed their freedom of choice and as a human being I believe everybody has that right to choice and it's a natural right. Your rights don't come from government your rights come from your humanity or they come from the creator God or whatever you want to believe but you have these rights

1:23:39 When you have an organization to take them away from you. It's wrong and we should definitely have a conversation about it in a constructive way that is not being discussed about at all i don't see the conversation of compulsory attendance laws ever discuss this always about this curriculum that curriculum this test that tests When in my view the really issue is your forcing kids to sit in a classroom when they'd rather be out doing something of their own selection. Yeah and,

1:24:15 Also we mentioned earlier that the system is based on the german slash prussian system it's kind of how we adopted and it's kinda funny cuz when you fast forward in the timeline just a bit i mean were talking about the early nineteen hundreds. Just to go to the end of world war two, We talk a lot on this show being a conspiracy centric show about how the us absorbed a lot of the nazi leadership and scientists in our system in secret that they really find tuned to lot of things and social engineering rocketry genetics and experimentation like mk ultra. And even though the school system had been in place a little while,

1:24:54 i'm sure project paper clip helps to finally tune that greatly as well and that's not really an element it talked about in that round. Yeah the nazi scientist coming over is a definitely markin, history that mainstream doesn't talk about me should talk about but in terms of how that would come into the school side i'm not sure but if you use this scientists to take their ideas into grow expand upon them what are the scientists that Is most prolific in school is a gentleman by the name of BF Skinner and he had something called operant conditioning where you use reinforcements. And he's on video talking about how you can reinforce students to do certain things using.

1:25:44 Rewards like being to go play at recess or a punishment would be detention afterwards or reward will be given him a candy and he's on video talking about how. These methods can be used to control and reinforce certain behaviors it was behavior scientists and he essentially, I believe that the human doesn't have a free will and that they're just reacting to the stimulus around them. And this is all incorporated into the school system with their various grades and ribbons, you know like it's so sad too when you see parents who put the sign on the back of their car says student

1:26:33 What honor roll honor student role? Yeah, it's like I understand they must be proud because they think that's good But what that saying is that that student just follows along and I think even I was on the honor roll We're just doing what we're told but in terms of a real education You don't want child. That just does what they're told what Gatto talks about is the dialectical way of thinking which is if somebody an authority tells you something you immediately distrusted because there are no authority so they would have their own interests where we have such a great. Trusting society americans are sold like kind and loving people in general that when somebody says something like these politicians running for president,

1:27:20 And these like they say there so sincere and genuine when they say it's a no. They would never do that like bill clinton said i did not have sexual relations with that woman he was so peaceful and confident when you send out but reality he didn't have sex relations with their self these social engineers managers, have interest in so when you understand that you don't trust them you have your own independent way to review it and there's a method which i learn about school but through, get those work and richard grove at tragedy hope dot com learned about the trivia.

1:27:58 Yeah you have logic grammar and rhetoric and your able to pull apart various narratives that you're given. And understand they don't always provide you all the pieces of a puzzle that you need to see the big picture yeah well said, Obviously this machine has been fine tuned evermore over the years and there was a section about how. Now that they had all the nation's kids in golf in the system they could use them for medical and chemical experimentation at first that sounds, extreme but it is true all these kids are on pharmaceuticals its the schools to tell the parents of their kids need to be medicated not the other way around correct and one of the reasons is

1:28:46 They're easier to manage when they run pharmaceuticals because they say that's abnormal for a ten year old boy. to have high energy and want to get out of the classroom. He's jumping up and down because he's a young man burgeoning, you know? He wants to express his masculine power so they say nope take these pills. And I actually had a friend who was on pharmaceuticals for awhile and i asked her about it and shared some various sources about the funding behind it and said what do you feel when When you take this pharmaceutical drugs and she said it just kinda numbs my emotions yeah, and she sent out like without concern but the motions are. I'm our guidance your intuitive senses we have senses that were given weather where it comes from is to help us feel fear or love a connection in peace and

1:29:44 When you numb that, you lose connection with yourself. So then you begin to be self-alienated within yourself so you have a war within yourself and yeah these laboratories known as classrooms where these kids are on pharmaceutical drugs they have no idea of the long term effects of these drugs and what's more alarming is in California they just passed a law which I think goes into effect here in summer mandatory vaccinations where they're injecting kids as a requirement, prerequisite to enter the public school and the manufacturers of these vaccines have legal impunity which means if there's some negative effect the parents cannot sue these manufacturers of the vaccine. So it is laboratory experimentation with pills injections and basically intellectual lobotomy

1:30:41 Where they can't think for themselves and there gonna be put on the conveyor belt in sent to do whatever they want. And yeah there are definitely required if they wanna manifest this world government which so many of them, are promoting you can have a bunch of critical thinking people you want people that are just Kind of stuck at their the mind level and can't get down to their heart and have no ability to reject the instructions. The managers in these drugs and pharmaceuticals make it so they can do it. It's actually impossible for them to think differently because chemicals in there head,

1:31:30 Right and when you look at the pharmaceutical industry founders are funders a lot of the names will be the same as the ones we mentioned earlier, The vaccine issue drives me so nuts because i don't even doubt the science of vaccines necessarily but. You see the commercials on television for all the pharmaceutical drugs that are out there they're on the commercials and, they have laundry list of side effects sometimes including suicidal thoughts or even death and we all laugh it's like Modern comedy one oh one is to make jokes about the side effects seen all these pills on tv yet the same people are the ones who make vaccines and yet you can't question that everybody who. Thanks the vaccines and all these anti-vaxxers are crazy it's like will your look how why would the same companies who are making the pills, not be able to make things i don't have this ridiculous side effects but then in vaccine they can you know its like there's a

1:32:28 Logic there that just doesn't compute to me yeah the when i think about vaccines and apparently. There were some benefits in the past you know where you know inject the live virus and blocked somebody, probabilities of you catching it fine but less a smallpox and ok great with jonah salk But what they didn't do is force it on people. And so that's kind of the foundation for the position that I'm taking, is that if it's so good then you don't need to force me. I will accept it like let's say organic food has been around for a while and I start to do my own research and say okay this looks like a legitimate way to live a healthy life So I'll adopt it You know having a smartphone on you where you can access

1:33:21 emails and communicate with people quickly and instantly that's great so I'll adopt it you know video camera or video record you know various things happen in the world all adopted but when someone jams it down my throat or our kids throats says you must do this or else we're gonna penalize your punish you if its quite Front on a human rights and something that's apparent should not take lightly and that's one of the reasons there is. Growing homeschool movement out here in california because parents don't want to have their kids forced to take these vaccines so there's little bit of a moving happening, end hopefully we can continue to grow it and empower these parents they look for positive solutions for the kids

1:34:09 Agreed and not to quote john again if someone demanded we give up our tv or computer or car to an anonymous repairman we would think that was crazy but then why are we so docile when i get our children over the state education system where we have zero say over those teachers in what goes on. And there it is again the parents who are letting their kids be drugged up like this and use your term intellectually lobotomized they really should be ashamed of themselves, They should and it's just unbelievable that it's gotten this far. And I think the work of Gatto is going to be more profound this year, hopefully than ever before because of the vaccination laws that are coming into effect in the common core. The parents many parents upset with common core and we're gonna releasing some books this year to get the word out

1:35:03 And he never really had somebody kind of representing him. He did have some people with him, but not trying to get out there and aggressively get it out just so you know we have breaking the underground history up into three volumes and on the first volume will have Ron Paul with a forward Richard Grove an David Ruenzel On the second one gm griffin and dana martin brett not another third one lou rockwell and two other authors who i will mention now but the main thing is to get this information out there so that parents don't have to look back and say, i wish i would've known i wish i woulda done something different for my kids.

1:35:49 we just wanna provide for you the information that is your right to know where this institution came from, how to benefit your kids and how learning occurs. And you're not gonna hear that from the mainstream because you do have these corporate interest government interests And you know shows like this allow you to learn freely and at your own speed. Take a look at some of the other sources and see for no telling the truth or if not but these quotes in primary source that are mentioned in our truly you know it's an existence and beneficial for parents to take a look at right now i've heard,

1:36:33 What you mentioned earlier that if you wanna foster genius in a kid you need to increase the amount of experiences that they have and i agree with them there is some risk involved than letting your kids have some. Personal responsibility but then we have child protective services and not element where if you leave your kid at home alone are you try to let your kid walk home on their own or be a little independent they might get taken away from you and thats scary stuff, Hey, you are bringing up some great points. I tell your great interviewer and yeah child protective services is one of the other institutions that is just so evil. Again there might be some positive stories where they've saved some people but for the most part they're taking either homeschooling kids from their parents or just minor aggressions or taking kids due to minor aggression's and

1:37:27 there something of the state know their. But in fear people can like what the IRS does you know for four people is no got a pair taxes are, no you're gonna have irs on you will cps is like we gotta put your kids at public school or do everything correctly and exit not leaving them at the park you know when they ten years old and it's something that I think people have to draw a line in the sand and this is what gato said twenty years ago we have to throw down the gauntlet. And use the phrase which you got from the author of the movie dick,

1:38:09 He said, I prefer not to. So whether it's taking these standardized tests say I prefer not to. Whether its putting them in compulsory attendance schools, I'd prefer not too and exercise that powerful phrase that lets your audience know the listener that they have power and just because somebody with a badge somebody with some official title comes knocking on your door You don't have to let him in you don't have to give access your child and when they're asking for permission that means they don't have it so.

1:38:45 There are the Child Protective Services and you do want to have a support network around you. There's the Homeschool Legal Defense Association who does a lot of good work in helping to give homeschooling families, the legal information that they need so they're not in fear and they even give you guidelines on what to do if CPS contacts you So you can reach out to them and the hope is that you will get the information and you will not be in fear but you'll be. In your personal power and empowering your child, help them realize that this is their life and there are some risks involved with what being self responsible person is and

1:39:35 As you know nobody gets out alive anyways we might as well have a good experience while were here i concur and. Impulse reschooling man it really is a breeding ground for all of our bad habits and we can touch on this earlier but it does encourage consumerism and the corporate diet which is a huge problem here in america, i got a quote john again cuz he says these things better than i can put on this he said school is the first impression children get organized society. Like most first impressions it is a lasting one life is dull and stupid only coke provides relief another products to of course

1:40:11 And there it is maybe you can elaborate on that part of the problem for us as well but it does reinforce all kinds about habits in particular the corporate diet and the culture of consumerism. Yeah the young person's mind so, Open that it accepts almost anything you tell them if your quote authority in their view then they just accepted and the china figure out how this world operates as we are. And so when you have this authority and bigger person saying with conviction of this is the way it works,

1:40:51 If you want to have a successful life, you gotta do good on your tests and you hear that year after year. You do get this belief that is the truth and it's not the truth. A successful life is based on being of service, being of value and being harmonious in relations around you And when you talk about consumerism Consumer is on the constant purchasing of products can only occur if the consumer doesn't have. The resistance to stop that rather than saving up and perhaps it will start their own business or buying a home or whatever it is they buy all these little items too,

1:41:43 make them happy or who knows what to do clothing fashion. How many pairs of shoes do we all have and there's no i'm victim just as much is the next person because i went through the system in got to experience that but the consumerism if you don't have an intellectual ability to, doubt what they're saying you know you say you have some beautiful man or woman May say oh yeah this is this buds for you know well subconsciously you can begin to feel that. Yeah if i go drink on the beach is this budweiser whatever the beer is and im gonna have this life in a thing we all can sense that maybe thats not the truth but there's part of the

1:42:31 undeveloped or less critical mind conscious yes subconscious is yeah there's that possibility you know and there's that image of no having sex in doing all the stuff not think sex is great but the interns are manipulating me that's one of our strongest desires manipulate nap for the benefit i mean these guys. Have done deep market research and understand what drives us the needs. And they spend you know a lot of capital trying to understand what makes this tick and if you can already instill in the student there lacking something, mainly connection love and associate that with their product

1:43:18 Then all of a sudden you know you can have them buy your product and no rave about it and feel good about it but the as I mentioned earlier if the student can understand that. Inside of them they have everything there their whole incomplete and there's nothing thats wrong with then you don't feel this need to go out and buy various products and services out of your own lacking But I mean sometimes you gotta buy stuff and i'm not completely anti-consumerism but the juxtaposition would be to produce something rather than trying to consume everything we can produce. And this is through art or speech, whatever it might be.

1:44:03 Once you start creating it's a very exciting as you know and there is more fulfillment there. And I start to see why artists do what they do because there is that satisfaction of creating something, whether makes a lot money or make some famous or not its no about that. It's about the work and it's about them expressing their emotion or expressing something about their individuality beneficial and happy for the creator it's true and i also have a really hard time curbing my consumerism but i buy independent products that's how i try to fight it by things i see on shark tank rather than things i see at target. And you know i think its up in progress and no disrespect to the listeners of course im not immune to consumers either but i have a lot of friends who,

1:44:55 Have ideas and they'd like to maybe take a leap and their scared they think that it's super risky, what if i fail i won't have a net and i say look man. Americans are bread for consumerism so take advantage of it in create a product no disrespect to the people who pay to listen the show i mean i do the same thing with all kinds other products but you know. It's the same advice i give to the listeners too if u wanna start something Use that as your motivation that people are bread to consume and you just don't have a product why leave the products up to the big. Multinational corporations when u can have your own weekend all i know by from each other in circle the wagons and get rid of this big international corporate all gargi,

1:45:41 definitely if you can buy independent products support local businesses this is a great way and this is such a great idea to is to vote with your dollars but with your energy time. And of course it didn't go in the ballot box if she was but real change, is where capital flows were energy goes and if u can support the local producers love clothing or so for music or whatever it is in your community income that you're earning can just go back into them and you can actually create a title net community. I think that's where everything is going with the decentralization of.

1:46:26 Will the internet to have some call bitcoin out there and that's quite revolutionary where there is a public ledger and you don't need a third party for financial approval this is quite exciting in their trying to put other items on the block chain which is the technology platform at bitcoin exists upon. End so this kind of going away from the centralization, Is empowering and i guess it's going both ways there is more centralization by the government in the nearest decentralisation occurring at the grass roots level where we want to be connected with like minded people.

1:47:07 And you definitely have it correct when you say that, we want to buy independent. I agree there's lots of good products out there but why not create something? Create an income from it and put it back into the local economy Here here and another question i had for you about schooling in particular was what are your thoughts on. Teachers unions in the idea of ten year of course we don't want to think of teachers as the bad guys but yet they are a system where, Negative personality traits might be inclined to come out more because there's no risk of losing your job. Yes absolutely so anytime you have ten years is definitely a red flag when you cannot get fired,

1:47:57 There is a incident happened in the nineteen ninety six which i just learned about because it wasn't mainstream its recorded in a book by donna her and called the long war in common core where fifty eight. Sixth grade girls were, forced to do a vaginal inspection to make sure they didn't have vaginal warts. Whoa! And their parents weren't even notified of this So what did they do? They did the inspection, the girls were crying and the parents responded and said we didn't know about it. And they said yes you did there's no proof that they know about it so what happened? The nurse didn't get fired, the inspecting assistant again didn't get fired

1:48:45 And when you're not held accountable and this includes for the police state to i'm really concerned with. A police center on video killing people and you can even have a video of teacher, grab a kindergarten i think he was six years old because he left the classroom without asking cuz you had to go bathroom. She comes out in security camera catches her grabs the kid by that. Lapels of his teacher picks him up off the ground and it goes back like a doll and drops me she puts them back down and then she know demonstrate some go back in class room and i'm like how did she not,

1:49:27 Get fired because you didn't and you have a lot of situations where these types of occurrences happen and either it's violence or sex involved or disrespect wearing if u if you were a. barista at Starbucks and you did that to a customer, you would be fired immediately likely and you might be sued. So the teacher anytime there's a public funded union it makes it quite nefarious because its institution funding itself our teachers get paid from property taxes

1:50:03 And then now they're lobbying for higher pay. So the dichotomy is that we all want to make more money, right? If we had a choice to make less money or more money – my guess is someone would like to make more money but when you come to understand it's publicly funded and there are Being involved in politics and voting for politicians who are going to do that i mean you start to see who benefits. And the state is this parasite upon productive people which takes about thirty percent of our income, end doesn't give us much choice if they say your vote for president have the lesser of two evils will still evil

1:50:46 And you don't have a open dialogue of what you want to these representatives so yet is it tough subject because. i believe in people with the right to get together and collaborating union eyes but what's a public funded union there is political interest involved in the school system is a strongly. Political organization gives out major contracts and i met an architect no other, Book publishers and imagine you are making your income from this institution do you like. How everything is right now you don't wanna change it you like your no big contract multi-million dollar contract,

1:51:33 So if you want to change it for them that those are the interests that will resist change and no teachers hey i think teachers yes should make money but when you are forcing kids into the classroom. I don't think thats real learning, real learning occurs when they have an option to leave if they want or they have the option to stay in you can demonstrate your true value as a teacher if your kids wanna stay in the classroom and if they want to leave, then I'm sorry but the know your customers quote are your students and if they don't find value in your teaching lectures or assignments whatever you doing. That's a sign that you're not being of value and get paid if you not getting value right teachers unions yeah they are just like

1:52:20 Police unions and i'm glad you brought that up cuz if you want cops to stop shooting on our people you have to charge a couple with murder and then surprise surprise it will stop or at least slow down greatly because there's accountability i mean my last slave wage job before i broke free, if i couldn't be fired i would plastered on a fake smile a lot less often i mean that just the way it is and teachers are no different. Like any job you have to continue to do it or you should lose it and so this idea that there is an arbitrary moment where u get something called ten year now you can kinda just, sit back and rest easy as a baby sitting class i mean. These people who set the system up put that in place cuz they're getting what they want out of it not for your benefit

1:53:09 Correct yeah and they want that too because now when you have tenure, let's say I'm a teacher in the school system and i have ten year now. Now i don't wanna rock the boat guaranteed my pay on guarantee my retirement once i reach twenty years or twenty five years and then im good right because it all about my benefit but the question you never hear is What are the kids learning? How does this benefit the kids?" And I become a very good listener when I'm watching these political debates about schools, about curriculum and about teacher pay and things like this. And they almost never say what are the kids learning? How are the kids doing right? It's all about well, the teachers are working this hard and you know, the administrators are doing this

1:54:01 Well there's a great story in the book talks about the tragedy of benson vermont together documents are small school with one hundred thirty seven students. And long and short of it is that it went through the process of having four teachers, And a principal and then the bureaucracy came in and force them to have. Eight staff members and seven were twelve staffers eight we're not teaching staff members like librarians nurses and vice principals and,

1:54:40 They had to find that through the property taxes so they were withdrawing the capital from the community and forcing. The students into this system and purpose was to remove the ones one room schoolhouse, it was not about the benefit of the kids it was about the benefit of the state in the what gato calls a jobs project where you're having Workers get paid for work that does not need to be done. And so as were kind of winding down here you mentioned the gates foundation in terms of, who some of the guilty parties might be today are there any other ones we should look at any other organizations or individuals are particular foundations that we should be pointing finger and be wary of in the modern times

1:55:33 I think that the gates foundation is one of the leading culprits just because they are weather alive and present and there's yeah there's a deep. Rabbit hole me go to the carnegie foundation rockefeller's affords and, The finger i think is an important conversation because if we were talking about this in my view to talk about solutions and empower your listeners. And if you understand how the institution works then rather than trying to attack these large foundations, because they have lawyers may have their own mechanisms to resist and make it hard for people the achilles heel

1:56:24 Would be the attendance policy they can remove their kids for example let's say tomorrow a quarter of students were removed and put in homeschool or private school of some sort. The funding mechanism with crumble because that's how these schools are funded so, If you can't pay the teachers they're not gonna go work for free a promise so rather than try to. Vote people in and negotiate with these foundations i mean these guys are set on what hall warburg said, in the fifties on the senate floor he said we will have a world government by conquest or by consent

1:57:16 So these elite families are committed to their intentions of creating this world state where they set the rules and. They tell you how to live your life in school is a mechanism to do that so there playing hardball here folks and you can search u n agenda twenty one another came out with agenda twenty thirty right, end so the really Playing tough and if we think that voting in a ballot box is going to change something it's not what Gatto says, is that all positive.

1:57:56 improvements in human history did not come from negotiation. They came from drawing a line in the sand and saying, if you cross that line I'm going to kill you right? So of course we're not talking about violence here but we're talking the commitment level of commitment that you have towards empowering your young people And already know you want your kids to be successful. We all want our kids to be successful the question is how do we go about doing that and if force is involved? Then that's not respecting their rights as a human being and if the state is forcing you to pay for that then you can either opt out i mean that's the total solution i guess in two words would be to opt out and. Home school private school co-op find a solution on the school and,

1:58:46 Understand that you can learn so many things now than ever before thanks to the internet and you can go to meetup.com and find people you can really pursue your own passions now, and you don't have to wait until you're 18 and you got this piece of paper in your hand that says, you're now qualified. You jumped through all the hoops." That's not what needs to happen now. Now you can be a sixth grader and write an app and sell it for $50,000 or $100,000 or whatever it is. These companies are looking for these top students so in terms

1:59:25 the blame and the solutions we wanna take a look in the mirror and you know what can reach out to myself education options expo dot org john taylor gatto.com and you can tell i'm working with cattle i'm committed to it and i just want inform as many parents is possible about this just so they know about it if u can conclude that the bells and the habits formed in school are destructive to the mind of your child, then you're gonna look for solutions. And you're gonna look for people that are in alignment with what you're doing and you can find people on Facebook. You can find these communities that exist today in your neighborhood at least in your community, in your city and people do feel like you so don't feel like you're isolated

2:00:14 And I think one of the last points to give you some hope here is there's a video called The Tiny Dot by a gentleman named Larkin Rose, R-O-S-E. And he just demonstrates how we outnumber these politicians so greatly and when we do that… Get divided what you're doing now and so if you notice they try to put race against race religion against religion. Class again class these are all tactics used in julius caesar's the golic wars which talks about how you can divide a larger force

2:00:52 by dividing it against itself. And then they'll come to you for their approval and their rewards and badges, these types of benefits but We have to unite as a people and find out where we can agree and i think natural rights respecting human life. And not forcing people to do anything especially being in class for twelve years i think is it good place the start. Well send very awesome david thanks so much not only for doing this but for fighting the good fight out there and dedicate yourself to the stuff i have a ton of respect for you,

2:01:31 You did mention some of your links would you like to throw any others or remind people where they can get the book maybe even get in touch with you if your online twitter or facebook are those kind of things. Sure yeah you can search the web education options expo dot org define some answers there's a free article on john taylor gatto dot com about that ten skills for global success this is according to harvard So you can get that for free. The school which I'll be launching, you can take a look at valoracademyworldwide.com in the fall That will be active. I am on Twitter You can find me as DJRodriguez2015

2:02:14 and facebook if you search well the email address there's a little bit long but if you find john teller gather underground history of american education go to his website can reach out to me, i am publishing this in communication with him and we can provide some solutions to you will have an event. in san jose next year if you mention this interview with greg i'll let you in for free the admissions are gonna be about thirty five dollars early bird and fifty dollars at the door so because of about your way feel free to email me. Add dj r education options expo dot org,

2:02:55 and you can get that for free. That's djr at educationoptionsexpo.org, and yeah understand there is a huge movement occurring and there is a lot of positive associations and organizations out there and I'm happy to be a resource for you. The YouTube channel is youtube slash education options we've interviewed top experts or self-directed learning in solutions to this problem and there's a growing surge of people who want real learning for the kids and no programs like this that were grateful for so we can get out in meet you. And you know attend various events go out and spread the news about these options understand the week point in the system so that we can break through and make a positive

2:03:46 Contribution to our community and continue to grow and have a great magnificent lives ourselves in our families. You got it and thanks for that i appreciate i'm sure the listeners appreciate the generous offer hopefully we will see you there, any about years time Again, so much respect for you and John. Please let him know we're all very grateful for the things he's done too and we hope the best for his health both of you take care out there alright? Absolutely great thanks for your work and we'll see you next time continue to do the good stuff you're doing sir! Alright man take care! Thank You brother thank you There we go people what a show, what a topic. I hope you enjoyed it big thanks to David for taking up the speaking role for John Taylor Gatto on some of these subjects i thought he did a fine job and knew the subject pretty thoroughly and i know so many people have written me over the last couple years saying that putting the show aside just watching my transition unfold

2:04:39 pretty publicly and actually work out for me has been pretty inspiring to their own creative ventures and people have sent me artwork organite jewelry statues custom designed long boards the one i got had been made up into a big joint that actually lit up on one end. People send me socks even and I know im forgetting about a ton of stuff that is coming over the years, But I love it. I think it's great, I love seeing people trying to take their future into their own hands rather than staying in that sub-subordinate trough thats dug out for them And you need to realize how lucky you truly are Sure there is a lot of bullshit to cut through but don't forget that out of all eternity You exist within the very narrow window where the internet is still new I was thinking about this the other day

2:05:26 How if I have kids in the next few years, by the time they're 16 all the good domains will be taken. All of the good products have been dialed in and amassed an online presence already The best podcasts are already established...all that stuff It's like being born a few years after the California Gold Rush except it is global You exist in this time And I think just knowing that is the universe knocking at your door with opportunity Everyone's door really, and some answer and some don't. But it takes less than $500 to start an online business and have a solid website up never in history has it been easier but make sure you're doing everything with quality too

2:06:06 The rest will kind of happen naturally, I think. That's the reason so many people prefer THC to other podcasts in this realm—I try to have constant high quality. Listeners, of course, have to judge how successful I am at that but that is the goal—never put out something mediocre. Somebody actually mentioned making a THC Entrepreneurs section on the forum so we can support each others ventures if we choose too and I think that's a great idea! I'm going to get it up this week It makes a lot of sense, especially in the context of this show. But it is a good episode! I think this is such a fundamental thing conspiracy advocates should know about and have a few bullet points under their belt for because its effects are so widespread And I like it on a personal level because it's vindication for me after all the hell I went through with Holy Child and Arnold Missouri and again in high school at St Pius X in Festus, Missouri

2:07:00 My friends and I are very lucky because we had parents who recognized that a lot of the times that we got in trouble, it was overblown. That they used a lot of fear on us and in some cases had we taken it more seriously you could say that it got into the realms of emotional or verbal abuse I once had my desk moved into the school kitchen and i wasn't allowed to talk to anyone, and was told by the principal that nobody liked me. And I just caused trouble and that people would be happier if I left. I mean should adults be saying that to children in the 8th grade? I don't know. Another time a girl called my friend gay and his response was, well you're hot and the teacher heard that took him into the principal's office and he got berated about how this could be sexual assault and if it had been more impressionable that could have been pretty traumatic too

2:07:52 And me and my buddies have so many stories from those days, and I'm actually thankful for them now. But in the plus show David also jogged my memory about something i had totally forgot, and it clearly demonstrates that I didn't always rebel from authority but in kindergarten...I had to pee and I had my hand up? And the teacher was doing something else?? And I had already been told a bunch of times not to talk without raising my hand, not to go anywhere without permission. So stuck between a rock and hard place, I pissed myself ladies and gentlemen right in my little plastic chair. And i was fucking sick so I didn't know what to do how it all worked but that's how worried I was about disobeying the teacher! I was in a strange environment taken away from my family where I wasn't comfortable

2:08:39 And I don't want to sound all melodramatic, like i said. I forgot it even happened until David mentioned a similar situation but it's interesting to reflect on in this context and looking back about how we interact with authority and what it does to our psyche another time in high school when they were in the process of trying to kick me out I had to jump through a whole lot of hoops to stay in that school they wanted me to just walk away But I wanted to stay because my friends were there and so they had me go through psychological counseling and also family counseling. And we went because my parents were cool, and they were going through the motions so that i could stay in school. Well, I was also a real emo little guy and used to write all sorts of poems and lyrics whatever rhyming words about dark stuff

2:09:26 And one day I got to the counseling session and the guy had one of those poems. I guess I left it somewhere at school completely on accident, and it looked pretty bad. I don't remember what it said God knows but I do remember that I had drawn a claw machine that had a bunch of human heads in it and the claw machine was picking up a human head and dispensing Just a lot of angst about the factory-style churn out of people and the assembly line model for society. I was really just having a lot of angst about having to eventually join up with all that because i didn't see other options The internet was also very new still then, let's not forget almost non-existent

2:10:11 And I wish i had it. I wish I still knew what it said, but probably something about life being a meaningless void and string of unfortunate events leading to inevitably dying alone But this situation could have gotten really bad for me It's funny now but of course that little poem fueled alot more sessions That my parents had to pay for and had they Drank the Kool-Aid a little more. They might have gotten me on antidepressants or something like that Very lucky we didn't ever go down that road I don't think the same thing would have happened in today's world, I really don't and let's do this before We call it and I still have some of the letters that were sent home to my parents framed

2:10:50 at 30 years old. And what a great time to read one! November 8th, 2001 Now this happened after I finally made honor roll for 1 quarter and i thought wow This is an opportunity to actually walk across the stage in front of the whole school and everyone's parents...I gotta do something with it My dad knowing I was gonna use the opportunity was actually cool enough to film it for me from the audience. Even though we didn't know what i was going to do, I didn't know what I was gonna do but I said have that camera ready pops And all i did after shaking the principal's hand and getting my award was I walked back to the center of the stage and sat in her chair amongst faculty looking out into the crowd instead of, getting off like everyone else did. And then I did the whole oh this way or where do I go left? Or do I just sit here?

2:11:41 I milked it until a teacher grabbed me and took me off the stage. It was awesome, my powerline moment for goofy movie fans out there! This is what I got sent home with... November 8th 2001 A part of the discussion between Greg and Mr. Nolan, and Mrs. Zelenko on Wednesday November 7th included placing Greg on a behavioral probationary contract for the remainder of this school year. Greg's attention getting in inappropriate behaviors in the recent past including lying face down in the rain on the sidewalk at lunch and continuing to lie down during the national anthem at a football game And now his very public and rude display of contempt for our guests speakers

2:12:26 parents, faculty and student body at the Renaissance Assembly on November 7th must stop. Hopefully, the terms of this contract will impress upon Greg that we are taking this seriously. Hopefully our past discussions and the terms of this contract will enable Greg to reassess his chosen forms of conduct and if he can abide by these terms, he may be allowed to stay at St Pius X High School. If he fails to live up to these terms in a manner in which we feel is appropriate, he may be asked to leave St Pius X High School." 1. Greg agrees that attending St Pius is a privilege that may be revoked for what the school authorities deem as inappropriate behavior, this can be the result of single act or series of acts 2. Greg agrees any behavior deemed hazing and harassing which I didn't really do or undermining which i did in any form may be grounds for dismissal

2:13:22 Number three, Greg agrees to demonstrate good conduct both in and out of the classroom setting. This includes a willingness to cooperate with the teachers and entire staff. This also includes participating in and attending extracurricular activities on-and off campus. Number four finally Greg agrees any behavior which damages his own, his family's or this school's reputation may be grounds for dismissal. This includes out of school and off school property incidents as well Yeah, that's the nonsense that I went through. And it is all fun and games now! And yeah, I definitely did cause trouble but it was all for the sake of trying to be an entertainer of some kind. And I didn't care about grades, I cared about opportunities for good laughs and a good story. Sometimes I was a real dick too and there is no excuse for that but the fact remains

2:14:15 I had a good idea then that school wasn't a serious place, that their authority was just an illusion and my future wasn't going to be all that affected by what happened there. And i've been wrong a lot in this life but i was not wrong about that. Fuck St Pius X High School in Festus Missouri and fuck Holy Child in Arnold Missouri for good measure too! In the immortal words of The All-American Rejects when you see my face...I hope it gives ya hell So I don't know what ill do with my own kids When I have them, I probably have a few more years to think about it and the options are getting better all the time. My kid wouldn't even have to learn how to drive by the time they're 16 as weird as that sounds today but

2:14:55 But to bring it back full circle, give your kids every opportunity to succeed and don't be a passive parent. Don't be and don't raise just another brick in the wall. And buy your kid a 3D printer! That's all I gotta say about that of course if you want to hear more we got a lot deeper in the second hour with David If you don't have PLUS already sign up at the higher side chats plus dot com and join the club to hear it You also get access to the forums, all the archives and the music that I've had made for this show. Of which today we have a new one! A bit shorter than most but Lauren Silva covered one of my favorite They Might Be Giants songs Which also probably taught me alot when i was young But here it is with a little higher side twist Please review the show and share with people if you can A relatively non-controversial episode maybe? These are the ones that get them hooked right?!

2:15:46 But that is it for me this week. Your move, Fox philanthropists secretly sheepifying the youth of the nation? Your fucking move. They've overcome their shyness Now we're calling them your highness And the world screamed, save me THC They destroyed the bonds of friendship and respect Between the only people left Who'd even look them in the eye

2:16:42 And make a fortune off the same ones that they tortured. And the world screamed, save me THC! Let's look for Jesus Some will say Mr. Jesus is so far away You're the only one who can tell me if it's true

2:17:20 birds and urchins too They built a little empire out of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working clave Overcome their shinin' now we're calling them your highness And the world screams, save me THC Save me, T.A.C