Darren Grimes | Empire, The Indian Act of Canada, & The Residential Schools

00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chat It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, Hireside Chatters doing the thing from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and anyone who has even the most basic understanding of history knows that empires and indigenous people in their way of expansion efforts do not mix well

01:39 Oftentimes, a people who don't speak the language or even understand the mindset of the hostile invader stand little chance as they're intentionally infected with disease, steamrolled with new policies and procedures pushed to the margins of their ancestral lands and systematically abused in ways that are hard to even talk about. Today, it's commonly held wishful thinking to assume the high-level benefactors of Empire and the Archon controlled predator class no longer employ these tactics or operate from such a mindset. Yet we are in the midst of a global injection campaign, a dismantling of medical autonomy cultural segregation and movement management based on our compliance with the empire's experts so it doesn't seem all that different to me

02:26 And probably not to today's guest Darren Grimes either. We all know Darren as one half of the Canadian podcasting powerhouse that is Gramerica, but he's also just finished writing his first book entitled A Canadian Shame The Indian Act and Residential Schools. It's a much needed look at how the native people of Canada were treated by the invaders and how the multi-generational effects of this darkness are still felt today And given the recent uncovering of several mass graves near these old residential schools, the timing couldn't be better. Happy to have him here to talk about it my Canadian podcasting colleague of the North and freshly minted author extraordinaire Darren Myman welcome back

03:08 Hey greg thanks for having me always good to be back on the higher side. Yes this is awesome congrats and get in the book done not an easy thing to do when i saw all the title a canadian shame i thought oh i guess you wrote a book about his co host gram, i thought about it i mean i promise grandma wouldn't pick on him too much during this interview but we got pick up a little bit i'm just found out he's to be a super soldier and was on the mars 20 back or whatever i mean this is he's got a lot of that on his plate right now he just found out this week so he's doing with that. Add as a lot to process but cory good i'm sure can help him go through the motions and get his life back together is probably 150 years old now with all the regression that happens

03:54 Thoughts and prayers for sure. That's all we can do, maybe we'll change our Twitter avatars forum for a couple of days Amen yes Yes But I kid I kid i love gram but Let me just ask you how things are in general. Canada is one of those countries where it seems like the COVID policies are on the harsher side, but I did hear you say somewhere that you're really not that concerned because Canada is so spread out that they really don't have the manpower to enforce the things that they might want to and I thought that was a pretty good point but how are you guys holding up these days and dealing with all the craziness?

04:31 Man, Alberta it seemed like and I don't know if it was by design or not but it seems like... Our premier is a doofus. I really have a hard time believing that he's part of some any sort of cabal and we were almost out of it We had this date set for August 16th or something like that No, it was August 23rd And everything was going to be over The only way to get a test after that which I think is the biggest thing of all They were going to change it. So instead of being able to just go through this drive-thru testing thing, which now is still here but they had said this was all gonna end as of August 23rd if you want a COVID test you're gonna need to get a prescription so either gotta call your doctor and get a prescription or if you don't wanna do that you have to go the hospital which I think just those couple barriers entry rate there would probably have cut everything back by probably like 80% to 90%.

05:29 And then along with that, we were ending all quarantine requirements. Now I haven't looked into it because I don't live in Saskatchewan but they had said the same thing and i don't know if they've stuck with it or not but basically the health authorities... Authorities? I even hate saying that! But had come out and said you know it's time to start treating this as endemic instead of Pandemic and it's time to just let adults make adult decisions and people make you know when you're sick don't go to school. You don't need a test, say that when your sick don't go to work when your sick don't go to school don't go to walmart don't go out to the restaurant all that stuff don't do that shit when you're sick which i mean maybe some of us got lazy on that name this has been a little bit reminder that but I mean here is the thing that really i think its at home as canada had enough money to give everyone some cash

06:22 And I get to finish that thought because we are far from out of this. They ended up extending that till September sometime, it was supposed to be September 16th. There's a news conference today that I missed is probably still going on right now he was already screaming at unvaccinated people saying were the worst and he started offering to pay people $100 a shot to go get the shot so I think where the first people actually offer cold hard cash So just go get your shots. Right outside of the lottery system that we've had a million dollars, we just had to draw the other day for a million bucks too and we've got another one coming up and I actually entered the draw so will cross that bridge if i win yeah

07:07 I mean, maybe it'll give me the million bucks to take the shot right there. Maybe i'll consider it. That'd be a tough one right? A million bucks cash right there It would be a tough one that'd be a tough call right that's a tougher call than 100 bucks for sure 100 is no brainer but a million bucks dude i'd have to think about that Right its gonna be life changing vaccine in one way or another Either way! Yeah maybe on both ends hopefully only on 1 end so we did all of that but even at the end of day what we still don't have Is paid sick leave and now i'm not a proponent say of government intervening on that level i'm definitely not a proponent of the government telling me. Or greg that you need to pay your employees two weeks to stay home when they get sick,

07:54 What are all the money the government's got and it's thrown around anyway how is that not a thing yet how is that not our number one. Thing right now if you're sick stay home i mean we had set up so that you could just click on your online stuff, can u def two grand within three days or you have your unemployment money within three days So we can't figure out a system there that, you know, Janet gets sick. She doesn't want to go to work but Janet's also a single mom and she lives paycheck-to-paycheck and she gets paid hourly because this is the situation that sometimes we forget that half of the world is in.

08:31 But you know in Canada where we're fairly down the road of socialism already, we got the free health care. I mean you'd think you'd save healthcare money there just... You could probably save that on the back end just by taking it out of a healthcare budget paying people to stay home when they're sick but i think the fact that two years into COVID or whatever it is We still don't have that in Canada? We have like all these other things but we still won't pay you to stay home if your sick Unless you're quarantined and guaranteed to have cold so i mean that's the kind of the jay is up on my own but it looks like alberta slipping right back into it i mean we'll see how harsh it as we've been lucky. In alberta because our police here haven't enforced at all. The alberta rcmp from get go basically publicly said they weren't interested in what people were doing,

09:19 What's the private lives so we on the outside it look like we had harsh mandates here probably some of the harshest because i think from december until may or something like that april or may they basically said you can't have anyone you can hang out with anyone outside and he can hang out with anyone inside no hanging out with anyone period restaurants were closed all that but Then they had this thing where if you were a single mom or stuff like that, you're allowed to have... If you didn't live with anyone all of the sudden you were allowed to have a couple of cohorts. But I mean, I was just sort of doing whatever I wanted the whole time we got a couple of barbecues over here and nothing ever happened as far as i know not a lot of that was enforced but I mean the restaurant people took a fucking beating yeah We're taking a beating again already! Just closing that shit at 10 o'clock

10:13 Sucks to people who want to go out and party and stuff like that But I mean there's just a shitload of people that just lost their income again. Yeah, really? So I mean we're still at the average age in Alberta of people that have died or are hospitalized because of kovat as per The government website is 80 years old The average life expectancy for Alberta is 81 so to shut down the entire economy because this happening seems I don't know. I just got called a Nazi on Twitter again because they're having a big skier thing, and I actually quoted Jason Kenney's stupid little press conference tweet

10:55 that the average age someone is hospitalized for COVID is 80 and the average life expectancy is 81. That's as far as I'm concerned, those are the only stats you need to know. I don't want old people to die. I am not saying that's fine but we need to look at this with some context here. How many of the people that we saved last year are still with us this year? Yes, that's the ultimate question I mean people that we're shutting down to save aren't going to see the end of COVID anyway for other reasons. It sucks but his quarrel is with God not me.

11:34 hearing from a lot more people that are seeing the sadness catch up to them, the isolation and the uncertainty all the stress. The splitting of friend groups and that sort of thing And it's alright to be sad for a bit but the only path forward that I see is building new networks making new friends getting out there and finding the others as they say you know That's one way I guess guys like us were blessed. Because we live in the rabbit hole, so it's mostly rabbits down here and it's not bad! If I don't go online, there are some places at work where you have to wear a mask. Honestly, in the beginning I kicked up a fuss about it now

12:23 We're way past that hill. You should get one of Sophia small storms masks because their cheese cloth and they look like a regular mask but you can breathe through them just fine so if you gotta wear it for multiple hours a day, I have found that to be a really great tool. My wife wanted to go back to Missouri, to announce that she was pregnant and uh i wasn't going to put her on an airplane with restricted breathing so i hit up Sophia to get one of those and she said it helped a lot! She sells them? Yeah she makes them in she sells them. Oh send me the link after and i'll order some of those...I have this little plastic chin thing

13:03 That holds a little plastic guard out. It's a little tiny thing too, it's like it's basically like your face mask but its clear plastic thing and there is the little thing that goes in your chin holds at three inches out? That works out to the grocery store and all those places I mean people look at you funny but like the planes not they're like no no no no no you gotta take that off. Right so I definitely wanna start talking about the book but I guess the last COVID related thing I would ask you about the vaccine and where you guys are with thinking about it as like, how dangerous is it really? Like what are some of your guests saying the people you trust or the people you think make the best case. I mean, I'm hearing people say that it's a death sentence that in three to five years everyone who got it will be gone. I think that's a little hyperbolic To me The biggest group of people is people who get COVID and are fine Or people who get the vaccine and are fine like In either case

13:59 We're talking about 10% who are really going to be lifelong affected. I don't know, I'm just...I tend to think that like we get hyperbolic in the alternative community and the reality is that the vast majority of people who take childhood vaccines or this are probably still going to be fine at least i have to tell myself that because i know too many damn people have gotten it but what do you think things things look like with the vaccinated over the next couple of years based on the people you've been talking to. I agree that, maybe they do but i think that's a little harsh that everybody is fucked. I don't do black pill. I'm really not super interested in entertaining that because I am a magician we're all magicians on certain level so you gotta be careful with that kind of stuff You got to kinda be aware but no dwell on it

14:56 It's a scary time though, man. I mean...I know a whack of people that have got it and they're fine like completely fine no nothing People that- I work with high level construction people like the high level sorts of people in it that are on the ball you know when your meeting with them their on the ball and there still on the ball but I also know people close to me that are still on the ball but they gotta joint thing Because maybe that, you know it started with the finger was aching and now it's all your joints sometimes go on. And they're all just sort of aching and these are people that maybe had some childhood this or that? You know maybe some autoimmune issues already That's what I think the biggest thing is gonna be Yeah Seems to be an autoimmune trigger down in the best-case scenario It's the same as a childhood vaccine

15:51 on some level. The problem is you're taking it from 4 million people a year, you know four to six million people here getting the childhood vaccines too what a billion? Yeah. It's some insane number at this point right it's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions I mean even that one in 10 000 that starts to get crazy guys like you and I know it's not 1 in 10000 there's a lot higher than that but it's not one-on-one I don't think I don't know. Do you think they'd be that? My thought is that the population problems that they're talking about are usually in the third world, not in the first world but maybe they've gotten to the point where they want to replace us with people who wanna listen or not...I dunno. But it seems like there's easier ways to do that at the same time

16:48 Then this whole thing, you know what I mean? Like you could have just released a real bug that the other problem is. I don't know what to believe these days right is like weird new world where stuff grams telling me and stuff from hearing from the alternative community and stuff. I'm hearing from podcasts And the stuff I'm seeing on the news and on the MSM. It's all just, there is so much shit on the walls now it's pretty hard to see what is going at this point. So its just like...I don't know! But my hope is that it's just like pharma greed

17:27 Yeah yeah i think that also do you think that they are obsessed with managing the planet and they do have in the back of their minds that they're doing something good and they have to preserve the system, add a automation is a big thing on there mines and so if they're thinking oh we can just take out twenty percent of the useless eaters. I really think that's a thing that they would entertain in these think tanks because they would see it as well. With automation, there are going to be so many people without jobs and what are we gonna do with all these people? These drains on the system! Let's call them a little bit!" So the timing with automation does make me think that is a little bit in-the mindset but there's a lot of crazy things going on in the alternative community. Graphene oxide seems to be a component

18:17 The vaccines and i think it's a real blessing for us that they're now going with boosters and third shots because. It seems like you're never gonna be fully vaccinated as they say which is two shots So if people are all across the spectrum from zero shots to the most up-to-date recommendations, whatever they end up being. I mean there's a lot of variance in there and so when you start restricting rights based on who is fully vaccinated well now a lot of people who have two shots and me now we're in the same category

18:54 And I like that. I think that works for our benefit, the more people in the club even those who've already gotten vaccinated when they move the goalpost and people decide that they've just had it, they're not going to comply anymore. I think that's going to help us out a lot and one of the darker stranger things that is being talked about is tech technocracy and this move to push people to digital spaces that are highly controlled, and make the physical body uncomfortable. And make people desire to live in these digital spaces it's not starts to sound like ready player one if you've seen the movie like everybody is in poverty and filth and they just want to get that headset on and escape to the game. That to me seems like a real possibility of where things are going

19:44 Maybe these routine shots having to continually get re-upped i mean. Potentially it is one of those things that pushes people to be more of a chimera more of a digital friendly, body rather than one that's kind of in tune with the natural world and gets people further and further away from. The natural space lot of crazy stuff being talked about but i could see some of these things circling around the mindset of the arcane control delete, add this thing all you can do is keep it all at bay and as you say we're magician so the mindset got gotta be kinda important to keep a positive definitely think the time to like

20:29 Like I said, i've given up on the mask battle and I mean I'm kind of at the point where like jumping up and down about not being vaccinated doesn't seem like such a hot idea anymore either. Like it's time to shut the fuck up! And fight it you know? I'm not complying Graham is like well that's compliant...I was like No It's Not You know what I mean? I got my papers just in case but how I got them remains to be seen I'm not vaccinated but i've got papers that say yeah i mean the problem because there's three four five and six of those. How do you keep up but i mean then it becomes, are they pushing us to wanna just give into that digital system so that you just scan your qr code every time get new shots or they know who is up today ten

21:13 I mean, i guess the hope is that... not the hope even but i feel like we're close to getting a wake up call on how fragile the whole thing is and maybe put all this into some real context. Yeah! Whether that's something with China or something else but it starts look weird when you see places like Russia and China banning this thing right? Yes very curious. I mean it's so weird world. And bring back to the book its interesting timing in that regard too or less than 100 years removed from Indians needing to pass before they could leave their reserve. So you've got a designated section of land that you can't leave without having a pass in your hand, this is in fucking early 1900's very hard to enforce

21:59 But now, easy to enforce right? I mean we're getting to the point where were going to agree to have all our money on our phones and they'll just be able to say well this doesn't work anymore if you're farther than this. It also doesn't work if you're not this Right that's the kind of thing I try to point out to conventional thinking friends all the time that eugenics is not a dead philosophy we are not that far from. A lot of things that you know people think, are gone. I mean, people think they can trust these authorities, they can trust this medical system so i try to highlight all the times that the medical system has abused people and when you hear Bill Gates saying oh we gotta get this shot in the arms of the black and brown people first...I mean that should be the easiest thing to see through! The biggest red flag if you think Bill Gates- That's his priority? Really?! Why is he getting kicked out of these third world countries with his vaccine campaigns

22:59 Yeah, but we could talk about it all day. Let's move on and get into the book a bit I guess A Good Place to Start is really with your own history and background and why this book was an important one for you to write Well honestly i didn't grow up on the reserve. I am a registered Indian from the Mishkego-Gaming Band Ojibwe Nation in Ontario Also Ojibway some people call Anishinaabe So the book kinda was one of those weird things, I wasn't really thinking about it. But over the last... so I grew up off reserve in Ontario, I wasn't very close to my dad and my life, so i was very detached from that whole side of things. I grew up in the 80s and 90s in a mining town in Ontario where the population is probably still a lot of that

23:55 Yeah hostile sort of residual racism i guess left over from everything that's going on and what you have in my hometown is also a lot of homeless and for town five or six thousand people. I think there's not a lot of homelessness, But there's a lot of homeless natives in my hometown, older on the streets drunk all the time. And even myself growing up you have no idea why it's just like what's going on here so you get that it's just their fault and all that sort of thing starts happening and then causes more sorta weird trauma when your Indian growing up in that environment anyway wasn't till I had kids

24:37 And it's funny enough, I went through a bunch of alcoholism and stuff like that in my 20s. And came out the other side of it luckily not everyone does...I had my kids and pulled out of it. As my kids got older it started to seem more important thing as I go back into hunting and stuff like that of course some hunting rights come along with that so that kind of the hunting and fishing got me sort facing off with conservation officers a little more over the last few years, you know with them trying to tell me I can't fish here or shouldn't be doing that and i'm very abrasive in that sense where you know let's have that conversation. And I won most of those conversations! I'm pretty good at retaining information and stuff like that so we'll kind of read through things to see where we stand...and then as COVID got going

25:35 To travel because i've gotten into the USA with a card whether i'm backstreet not like i'll be driving down to states in a couple of weeks and there's nothing it's funny because no one else is driving to the states right now so I get to cut into the trucker line and stuff like that but. I mean that's kinda what got me down the road looking at things and the current climate, how everything is going on and then they started finding bodies earlier this year And you start talking to people and nobody really, like none of my friends that really know anything about it. They don't know what a residential school is and I didn't know what most of that was either five or 10 years ago but you start learning about it and you start trying to bring it up and there's just so many misconceptions from people that aren't racist they're people I'm friends with, people I hang out with, people I work with but they have no idea

26:33 Because there's no education of it. There was no education of it in me growing up, you know basically on Indian land or very close to it The only reason it wasn't Indian land is because there was gold there Hmm so it was sort of taken over but a huge Indian population there and there's just You know We don't even grow up as far as we grew up, you know The Americans they had their wars with the Indians bad. We all became friends up here It was all it was all fine Yes That is that conventional kind of thought Yes so that kinda hit in june and i was like okay well all this information is there it's all publicly available, i mean really the book is probably eighty percent or eighty five percent isn't written by me. It's public domain information whether its old reports

27:23 Exit from the government website stuff from truth and reconciliation. Commission that took place in 2008 to 2015 they generated just thousands of pages reports that so all this information is there it's already available but what i noticed over the last few years even when i wanna look for it's hard to find you know it's like not just punch into google and here is being ding ding ding. And then the thing that really triggered me was what I went on this year and I want to start looking for the old versions of the indian act which originally came in place in 1876,

28:03 And you go on the Government of Canada website and it does not exist. The earliest rendition of the Indian Act that you can find on the Canadian government website is 1985 currently, there might be a 1951 hidden there somewhere but if there is I haven't been able to find it. The only place I've been able to find anything pre-1985 is actually First Nations websites. There's 650 bands in Canada and a few of them have decent websites, some of them have worse website, some don't have websites at all but some that have bigger web presence have got all these acts in their entirety in PDF and stuff like that

28:49 So, I mean that not being there was a big thing for me and it took me awhile. I actually didn't find the PDF on some of these other websites until I was well down the road of researching the book so all i could find for The Indian Act... The original Indian Act when I first started looking earlier this year was an old scanned pdf version that you could barely read It's like scanned out of the original book. So, I paid a guy in India to retype the whole thing like 500 bucks to retype the whole thing into a readable format that could be made into a real PDF.

29:29 so that I could make it available online and so that I could have it for my own purposes, for writing the book and stuff like that. And actually, I was going to release that whole Indian Act, the original in 1967 with all of the amendments and everything. It was like 485 pages 8 1⁄2 by 11 or something like that. And I was just going to release that as sort of a not-for-profit thing So it was out there and then what I was writing was originally just, I was going to write a two or three page little blurb for the front of that before i could release it kind of explaining what I had done and blah blah blah. And just in writing the blurb but kind of extended too

30:11 six pages and then seven pages. And then I was like, well no one wants to read when I shrink this down to two six by nine it's like fucking closing in on a thousand pages. So you know nobody is going to read that? I mean even 400 pages is a stretch right? Like I don't want to read four hundred pages of super dry material so I was like well maybe I should just sort of highlight some of this and my original goal was to get something I was thinking around 100 to 120 pages, something super small. Super concise where we could where it's not going to scare people off they could sort of get through it on a plane ride so that's sorta where the book came from and that's how it got put together as mostly an amalgamation of information from all over the place So there is nothing in there that I'm speculating There's no speculation here

31:05 I would say the closest thing to speculation, which i would argue is not speculation at all. Is the international tribunal for the disappearance of Canada? But if you go to and it's all linked in the book but if you go to his website he has got 120 pages on the back of his digital book that have the old newspaper clippings and all of that stuff. So it's basically just a source, and it's 10% of the book almost is the bibliography I mean that was probably the worst part of it as me and my girlfriend going through and trying to source all of it right? We sourced it all down to the pages of The Parliaments and any place we could we took it back to original not just some other site on the internet no here's where he said this in The House Of Commons

31:51 And to give people some context for what is in that Indian Act of 1876, this is when they extinguished any indigenous self-governing structures and really started to manage the native people. And you say in the book, here are just a few of the sections of The Indian Act or policies that were particularly oppressive and destructive to the people and their culture. The ban of religious ceremonies, the ban of Indians leaving reservations without Indian agent permission, inability to vote, introduction of mandatory residential schools which we'll get into, the denial of status of Indian women

32:36 creation of reserves, prohibition of alcohol sales, prohibition of the sale of ammunition, prohibition of solicitation for funds for Indian legal claims. I mean that's a huge one and these are just a few of the atrocities hidden within The Indian Act over its century-and-a-half long existence a document that is still legally binding at the time of this writing as you say they've rewritten certain parts of it made it less offensive in some areas but it is still. The law the land technically it seems technically and a lot away is and i mean u might get some flack for us using the word indian on here

33:20 I mean i call myself an indian right try and use indigenous or native or first nations where i can but personally. I refer to myself as an indian the reason being is because i have a little card on my wallet me, level of card in my wallet that says i'm a registered indian and that's the exact wording on it i'm a registered indiana have registration number because of my dna Now, I think they've sort of changed the name. It used to be the Indian Affairs Canada now they've maybe changed that to Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada but you can go to the Canadian website right now it's still called The Indian Act

34:01 I'm still a registered indian is the whole page of definitions that i just copy pasted from canadian website into the box that's still use the term in the incompetent india and. Registered indian legal indian all those terms are still very much in play by the, canadian government and i assume you ask government as well so far as i am concerned let's not play games i mean that's not virtue signal that were using terms like native indigenous Until the fucking government. I mean it's not that hard It shouldn't be that hard to change that kind of stuff if we care enough, but you

34:37 I would argue that virtue signaling and stuff like that actually does the exact opposite. And makes people think that it's fine, but you know... It makes people think that we're all using the term indigenous while i'm still walking around with a card in my wallet that says registered Indian. Right right great points great point! And another big one on the reserves is another misconception people get especially in the Canadian system. I don't know how the American system works. My book's very much on the Canadian system But no Indian land is owned by Indians in Canada. It's all held in trust by the federal government for registered Indians

35:14 So, basically the context being there is once we all assimilate which I think we're down to about a half-a-million actual registered Indians in Canada. There's about 1.6 or 1.7 million nonregistered Métis Inuit and all that but this were down to around just over half a million registered Indians. The plan would of course be...I mean me? I'm an example of assimilated right I live in a town, I work full-time job. I pay my taxes and start business. I don't live on the reserve at all. I use some of my stuff to get used by hunting rights and stuff like that but for all intents and purposes I've assimilated into the Canadian system now what's going to happen is once that happens that lands are gonna go back to the crown

35:59 So at the end of the day, the Indians don't have any land which is a huge misconception in Canada. And the other thing is now as people worry about well if we're coming for land whose land are we going to take? Right am I gonna lose my land If the Ojibwe need some land Is that gonna come out of Jim's ranch and it doesn't need to It doesn't fucking close to need too because if you look at a country like Canada We're sitting at 88.9% of all the land in Canada is owned by the government. Either the provincial government or the federal government owns 88.9% of all the land in Canada and over half of the remaining is owned by corporations. So, I mean, I think we can find something in the 19 out of 20 parts so that we don't have to cut into the one at 20 and I think everyone's private land could be fine. We can find a way to make this all work. At this point, I do not even think you need

36:54 Anymore land i don't know what it looks like i mean let's be honest i'm a pothead like you and i'm not saying that in bad way but is just putting the information out there i don't have the answers on how we get out of indiana. I'm just trying to start that conversation because i shouldn't have the answers are up to me except six hundred fifty different, First Nations in Canada, but until we sit down around a table with those representatives or maybe they each region can figure out a representative or some way to do this. But until we get around the table and start having a conversation about how we're going to get out of this Indian Act and move on to something different but at this point

37:36 We could probably work something out that doesn't cost a whole lot more land than you've got already maybe a little bit more we can figure out some more here and there and let's just start. Actually passing that over you know then maybe we can pay taxes on it or something i don't know i'm not against that i pay taxes now but the way its setup now which is doesn't work It's not getting better for anybody. And it's not getting better for the people on the reserve, and it's not getting better for the government and just this problem that is not going away we still have a problem where half of reserves in Canada have to boil their water. We're still sending out billions and billions and we got $1 billion dollars to bribe provinces

38:22 I'm just paraphrasing the half. It might not be there, but it's hundreds. There are hundreds of reserves in Canada that have to boil their water. But we got billions of dollars to send overseas and a billion dollars to bribe people with right now to get COVID to implement a vaccine passport system Yeah. So, I mean that's kind of a scary thing to me and my running joke with Graham lately is that you guys are all the Indian now and it's going to be the reserves gonna be the city and it's gonna be you don't leave. And the funny thing is when you drive around here in Alberta, you'll get like an hour-and-a-half southwest of the city and it'll be like 714th Avenue Southwest. It's like why?

39:14 You know, the city's never going to get here in 50 years. But you could almost see where they could just quadrant that all off into municipality sections instead of I mean it's a weird thing and that is a time when i'm sort of happier to be in Canada especially in Alberta just for the reason that like my state comment is there's only 20 000 there's only standing military in Canada, 20,000. It might be like 23 or something like that but I'd rather that than what Israel's up against or what you guys could be up against, I guess. In that sense, I feel it'll be much harder... Now, I'm on my way out of town right now. I'm currently actively looking for 5-10 acre parcel someplace an hour away from the city so

40:11 You know i'm not under the illusions that it's foolproof but I feel like it's much better. Because it does seem like at least for the next few years to a decade, It's gonna be confined to At least the some sort of city level. I mean, you can get the towns to enforce it too fine But I mean nobody's driving by my ranch in the middle and nowhere. Maybe they'll start tracking the phones and stuff I don't know but then he just I mean wouldn't be the worst if we left our phones at home We had a barbecue anyway Right right i think the management class they just cast big nets and they get as many people as they can and i don't think they worry too much about those on periphery there not trying to get every single body because, i just don't think you can their trying to use the mass media everything they can do create.

41:04 the perception that it's every single person but if you shut that stuff off if you put a little distance between you and the machine i think y'all be alright and let's get into the residential schools this is the darkest of the dark man i mean we've often heard that. Schools are one of the first things that an invading empire sets up so that they can convert the kids to the new way of life, separate them from their parents and their culture, and teach them the New Western ways. But these schools in Canada seemed particularly brutal. You write that as of 1884 attendance in residential schools became mandatory for Indians until the age of 16 children

41:49 are forcibly removed and separated from their families, and not allowed to speak their own language or practice their own religious rituals. And I've heard you talk about this in other interviews that sometimes kids came home for the summer, sometimes they didn't but I mean when you're young and you go eight months without speaking your native tongue, and you're being taught French or English. And then you come back to your parents who don't know a lick of that now You've created this divide within the family and it's really really sad That's just one aspect of these schools and how terrible they were but what else would you say for people who are unfamiliar?

42:30 What i mean you can add to that they were taught their parents speak in languages because there are less because they were devils because it is being indoctrinated with. Christianity at the same time or Catholicism or whatever the case may be. But it's basically, so I mean and you can read through, I mean The Truth and Reconciliation documents have hundreds of interviews with survivors where they talk about just that where they'd go home after a year because maybe they got thrown on a farm which would happen a lot. You'd go and maybe learn we call like an apprenticeship today but it's much darker than that of course

43:10 So you wouldn't get home for maybe over a year, maybe two years at a young age. But like you said even one year what was happening is when these kids were going home and they couldn't communicate anymore right? They could no longer communicate with their parents. Their parents couldn't communicate with them because their parents couldn't speak English and French And then they also had it in the back of their head that everything their parents was doing was sort of evil, bad. You know not good at the very least right primitive at a minimum yeah exactly and then at the same time you've sort of banned religious ceremonies you ban the potlucks you've banned this system of interweaving bands and tribes that have been sort of meeting up over the years

44:00 Even though you had one band say of a couple hundred or thousand, thousand natives and you put them on one reserve. I mean that they're used to meeting up a few times year and there's this whole intermingling thing so i'm in all that's taken away at the same time but, add the same time here in school where your teachers are punishing every time speaker language if you've got a sibling you know your son not allowed talk to them kept away from them Can you go home if your lucky and you can communicate with your family anymore anything everything i do is primitive in here. Add the best at the worst just can't communicate with them and then back to your head you think your parents have just taken it as place left there, which mean everyone just takes a minute just thinks about your kids if u just when they turn six if he's took them off and drop them off an institution didn't see them for few years

44:55 I mean, none of us are going to be okay with that today. But that was happening up until 60 years ago in Canada. Right? And of course the big story it's coming out now are these mass unmarked graves of children around these schools from From the book, I wrote down 215 bodies at Camp Loops Indian Residential School. 109 bodies at the Brandon Indian Residential School 751 bodies at the Maryvall Indian Residential School And these are just three examples there are quite a few more right?

45:34 yeah i think the last time i checked it was up to five thousand wow total kids in on march graves yet mostly kids and i think you know there's a lot of those grades used to be marked and i've got a lot of time for that I don't think they were all crammed in unmarked graves. They were probably put in marked graves and it's been 60, 70 years of just people not giving a fuck or not paying attention or you know they got knocked over they rotted or maybe they were unmarked but It's a disaster and the funny thing is that... Not the funny thing

46:13 But guys like Kevin and Ned that have been saying this for 20 years, I mean their numbers are closer to 10 times this. And he's got real concerns that the only reason this is coming out now is because they're sort of ready for it. This is a controlled release so we'll give them five or ten thousand and then just leave the rest be done with it. Right limited hangout classic situation and let's talk about how these kids died. I mean, a lot of it apparently is tuberculosis. A 1907 report said that in one case over 25% of the 1,537 students had died from tuberculosis with some schools approaching 70 percent death rates

47:00 Bryce's report blamed school construction and care standards for the much higher rates of tuberculosis in the schools, which went against the popular racial susceptibility theory at that time. And we also have a race-racial susceptibility thread to COVID too! And I just think this is so important to bring this stuff up to people who think this mindset is gone, that the elite are no longer racist. That we can trust them and they have our best interests at heart. It's a tale as old as time that they don't but talk to us about tuberculosis in these schools because my first thought was always that when you find these mass graves it's abuse its murdering kids and just

47:43 not taking care of them, which you know of course disease I think we both kind of rethought what disease is and how it affects us and its relationship to standards of cleanliness and health. Talk to us about tuberculosis and how your processing the fact that the majority of these deaths seem to be because of that I mean the main thing was probably that it was about six or seven to one between indigenous kids at schools and indigenous kids on the reserve so i mean tuberculosis was a big problem already. Already i mean there probably was a bit of, if disease works like that which we don't know i mean still thats probably still on the table but if there was uh... It seems to me more of a poverty thing again

48:32 Where the poor you were more chance you had a dine and tuberculosis is even on reservation numbers compared to general population of the seller population was still higher. Once he got under residential schools it was both seven times seller population i think well four times the honors are population, i mean i think that's still just boils down to cramming buncha kids into a shitty house in canadian winter i mean no one really cares. You know, you're coming to a thing where there wasn't a lot of love in these places. You got kids that aren't getting hugged or not getting touched when they're sick they are probably just left in their bed alone They are probably not getting extra care when they're sick They are probably not being separated from the population and it's one less mouse to feed Probably is the outlook at this time

49:28 And then there's a ton of reports from Bryce's own report who was the, I forget his exact title at the time but he was put in charge of checking. The health level these places out by the government now when he started questioning the government and wrote his report he was forced into retirement. He fought that and tried to overturn it and he was unsuccessful and was forcing her time which is why you released as a book The book was a national crime which is where a lot of this information can be found now it's only about no twenty two page book but it's basically just to break down exactly what was happening in the schools and why tuberculosis was such a problem. I mean the other problems there wasn't ton of abuse i'm in

50:18 Let's be honest, Catholics in the fucking 1800s and early 1900s were great to fuck any kids. It was a harsh fucking thing! And now take it on to a bunch of savages that you're not happy about where or why they are your post and you're just stuck there with a bunch of kids you don't like So there is ton of stories of abuse I'm sure, tons of murder, tons of stories of principals because it seemed like the principals in a lot of time ended up with the authority in these situations. But there's a ton of evidence of just that abuse, murder, that kind of stuff and the other big one is running away I mean a ton of these kids took it on themselves to try and run away some ended up getting caught some gave up and came back some made it but we're talking about Canada There's a lot of untamed wilderness now

51:15 in 2021, a hundred years ago it was much more untamed and the weather is harsh six months of the year. So for a young kid to be walking around or wandering around in the fall, spring or winter which you really wouldn't know any better at that age and just want to get away and end up succumbing The elements I think you know their official numbers they say it's up to six thousand. Kids died at the schools i think that number is probably closer to sixty. I don't say that in the book though because i don't speculate but thats my personal thought, is that number is probably closer fifty or sixty thousand kids?

51:59 Fair enough. And I have this quote from Scott, I can't remember his first name but he's one of the players you say who is involved with all this but his quote from 1910 says, "'I can safely say that barely half of the children in our Indian schools survive to take advantage of the education we are offering them.'" That's pretty dark but it's right from the horse's mouth right there And that's 18. That's the 18 he's talking about, we're not even taking into account what happened to these kids in early adulthood you know like if you start taking an account how many of them ended up with alcoholism problems? How many of them ended up with crime problems

52:47 I mean, you've completely broken a person when you've done this to them at that age. And if they're lucky enough to get through that now, you know, you have got a huge percentage with drinking problems. You have got an insane increase in suicide among Indigenous and Inuit populations in Canada especially young people right up until today so we have three generations of... We are just kind of getting a grasp on where Indians are raising their own kids again I mean, so for like 100 years. I mean technically is 1884 maybe or 1894? I should get those years right because it was up until 1947 that it was mandatory attendance and I believe it started in 18 yeah 1884 to 1947 mandatory attendance So I mean we're 60 years removed from that so maybe two generations but you got to think now the repercussions of that are

53:48 Maybe you're the first generation of parents that are raising their own kids now is into the sixties. But these people weren't raised by parents, they didn't learn. I mean parenting's hard enough right? As you're about to find out already know but it's hard enough with all the information and everything we've got around us today But now take into that, that you never got to experience the child end of that. Because that's a biggest one right? That's the biggest thing we ever learn from is from watching our parents Now you take away these kids didn't have that They didn't have parents to emulate they didn't have parents to copy They really don't have parents to love they really don't have anyone to love but then they stumbled out of that somehow had kids and now gotta figure out

54:45 Something that, you know arguably 30% of the population has an insane problem with today and not letting it slip into addiction or abuse. Today we're talking 20 or 30 percent of people in modern society living the way we live can't keep a lid on that shit now add to that that you were basically in a concentration camp for your developing years and he never got raised by parents how high does that number go up then? Man, it is wild. And I also wanted to ask you about some of your upcoming trips? You guys really are doing what needs to be done strengthening the tribe building out the network and just having a good time out in the world! I am a little jealous...I do still plan on coming to Magic On The Mountain in February if you guys will have me and my life has calmed down by then

55:41 i know a lot of other trips on the books to tell people about him well actually headed down in two weeks two weeks from monday and driving back down to washington state to so play washington. Meet up with randall carlson and friends, and the brothers are the serpent they're gonna be there been from uncharted x will be there And Brandon Powell, the Wim Hof trainer is going to be there. And we're gonna be doing Wim Hof training there doing some cold water training during the breath work and of course you're gonna be cruising around for six days looking at all the channels scab lines with Randall Carlson will be doing some presentations that night I was lucky enough to just do this tour this is our second one this year we did another one in May

56:25 From the third to the eighth it was a fantastic time. I'm looking forward to get back down there we had, i think about 15% rebuy of people that came on first tour and wanted to come back and do it all over again so they're doing that We are sold out for that but will be doing from 20th to 26th having good old time using randall on last night does his fabled moon presentation which is a gutter i highly recommend So we got that september twentieth twenty six thats the last one of the year we pulled off three this year even during a lockdowns in canada we managed to gram couldn't get out but i got out and were able to pull those are, press me at the magic on the mountain in arizona you mentioned february that be february tenth thirteenth. And lakeside

57:11 Pine top lakeside, Arizona. I'll probably have to drive down with the new vacuum and stuff but that's okay. Arizona is a nice drive. That has got to be like 20 some hours. If you can go 27 hours i can go 5. There ya go! I mean I've driven to California couple times Colorado I'm used to it It's still better than jumping through their hoops but we're doing that In Arizona from the tenth to the thirteenth we've got for sure Joe Roops gonna be there on hunt brandon powell, have some actual snow up their solution proper way i'm half an hour. I wanna learn a bunch of magic and manifestation tricks to take on life will do it day trip over the petrified forest national park friend wants to go

57:55 And then next April, April 28th to May 2nd. We're in Utah for contact at the canyons we go with our mutual friend Dave Matheson and Brandon Powell. We meet up down in Southwestern Utah on Duck Creek Mountain and we hang out. We go to Bryce Canyon hike it have dinner out in the park there and then we wait till dark and check out the stars. The stars are Bryce Canyon are amazing And we have our buddy Dave there telling us all the star mythology and pointing out all the constellations and all that. It really is a good time, it's great for couples. Unfortunately that sold out if you do decide to come with that one though I will get you in. Alright! That's probably my favorite one honestly it's four days just hanging out and hiking and checking out the stars and we got a giant chalet rented out up there on Duck Creek were their right before the start of this season up there so its super quiet

58:53 And you get to find a bag is on your way so i mean if you want to have a night in vegas and then head up on the mountain to decompress that's crazy drive. I bought a bag of chips just outside of vegas on my way out the mountain and we were driving at the mountain. Any help pop and like what the hell was that unsure enough all the chips exploded in the back seat, never seen anything like that but it was pretty gnarly without selling sold out two were thinking about doing a second week and then of course Next June we're doing the second half of the scab lines tour in Idaho and Montana with Randall Carlson again That's already half sold and next November. We're going to Egypt damn two weeks in Egypt with Ben from uncharted X and The Snake Brothers right all over at contact at the cabin calm if people want to check that out making join the mailing list or

59:50 Get on a waitlist we have some weightless because lately that you know the world's pretty fluid these days with people wanting to travel or being able to travel. So there is always some last minute movement if you get your name on a wait list sometimes you can get in last minute. Wow well ambitious and bold and i love it i love it definitely a little jealous but im gonna try to make out on some of these trips i gotta quit just talking about it an actually. Get out of the my little bubble here in san diego i just don't leave at n once you get one seal just be like this is great, Right. It's dumb to keep complaining about the same things and then doing the same things and not actually making some kind of change, so it just unfortunately coincides right with having my first kid so it's like now is not the time to start getting out but maybe it is I don't know

1:00:43 But is there anything else we should tell the people before I cut you loose where to get the book? Obviously, where to get the show. I'm sure most people are aware but still it's how these things tend to wind down Yeah well of course the website is gramerica.ca You can find everything from there that'll lead your sort everywhere Gramericaoutlawed.ca is the other podcast The book A Canadian Shame available on Amazon and every place else Or you can go to a Canadian shame dot CA there's a little contact form at the bottom if you need bulk copies. Or if u wanna sign copy or anything like that i can do that for ya and then the other big thing we got going these days is the audio books with taking a bunch of these esoteric classics, turn them into audio as narrated by gram dunlop co host america does reading idea editing

1:01:35 But we've got I think about 20 titles available now and you can go to adultbrain.ca that'll give you a list of them all or if you go to like audible or iTunes and just type in Graham Dunlop or Grime-erica they should all pop up as well, that includes my book A Canadian Shame is available on audio. Same with the Secret Teachings of All Ages we did, that's about 35 hours by Manley P Hall We've done all three of Blavatsky's secret doctrines, Secret Doctrine 1 2 & 3 again they're about 35 hours each Hamlet's Mill which is a big one that comes up a whole ton in these esoteric circles wasn't available as an audiobook we finally made that available as an audiobook

1:02:17 The Unabomber Manifesto, we've got that up there. And just basically we're going through all these books written in the 1800s that you know you probably never read but if you could just listen to someone else read it you might do it I mean I'm never gonna read The Secret Doctrine but it's not so bad to listen to it read to me i like it that is awesome really making a mark on the world you guys are and trying very cool. Yes as you sometimes but congrats on getting a book done i know its not easy takes a lot of discipline to say the least and your highlighting important issue that deserves the attention great talking again man take care out there anytime greg love to be here

1:03:06 Yes, people! My Canadian podcasting colleague from the North getting his first book out. Passin' me by in so many ways... I kid, but it is a great accomplishment and an important subject that he seems uniquely situated to cover It's a perfect storm of heritage and understanding how Empire and its cover-ups typically work through all this conspiratorial exploration for several years and the reach and network that he's built up from doing the show. And I'm glad he chose something so specific, and not often highlighted much better than throwing together a plandemic book as a lot of people are choosing to do in the middle of the story

1:03:55 And I don't know if anyone noticed my stupid mistake, but when i was talking to Darren about his recent shows. I mentioned the one he did with Kay Rubichik and for some reason even though the topic read CCP, I read CPS and went on a little rant about the very unrelated child protective services... ...and he didn't even call me out on it what a guy! But I'm glad we could highlight this scandal and contribute to its ongoing exposure. I'm sure many of us have heard the headlines about these mass graves in Canada, but not a lot else so this was informative and iIm sure you can hear it in my voice every time I talk to Darren or Graham about how badly I wish I had a co-host It's more in my nature to want to work with friends than to work alone

1:04:46 Anyone who's been with the higher side chat since the early days knows that I tried. But if you feel like you're doing 80% of the work, eventually just say well i suppose i can do 100%, since no one really seems to care enough to read the guests book or prepare some questions in advance. Eventually just say well this is work and we don't often get everything we want with works so just do it! I probably would have been working at GameStop a year too longer if I had shared the wealth anyway But yes, the rotating co-hosts went away about as quickly as they came for THC but the universe tends to unfold... As it should. They say. And recording this episode with Darren is at least partly the catalyst for me finally saying fuck it and doing a real world meetup happening tonight actually Sunday September 19th at The Tipsy Crow in San Diego Could be two people there could be 20

1:05:45 I have no idea how many locals would be included in the larger THC audience, and i don't know how hungry people are for any kind of meat space meetup either. But i'm excited for it! I guess what has always kept me cloistered away is the few bad interactions that i've had 99 people out of 100 just want to say hey love the show keep it up thanks for doing it and would be a pleasure to meet in person But then there's that one guy sending you creepy pictures and saying he's performing rituals to ruin your marriage and win your heart. You don't want to share a beer with that guy, although if he's good at magic maybe eventually you do but sometimes that all keeps you from sharing a beer with anybody even getting friendly with guests has been a mixed bag I probably don't even have to go into that too much for people to come up with at least one big example of what i'm talking about

1:06:40 I guess, if I just keep my head down and do the show and keep it professional with people rather than personal. What can go wrong? And nothing has gone wrong but another question is what might be missing by doing that? What could go right? The times have changed, the culture has changed, and a lot of our priorities have changed as well so let's step into the unknown to see how it goes! Besides, it seems like I'm going to have Alex Zakaris and Sophia Smallstorm there to keep me company. But I guess I won't really know until i'm there! And hopefully we will have more. Hopefully I can set up a calendar type system where people can host their own meetups across the country and find the others... ...and maybe I show up to those once in awhile so don't feel like you're missing out

1:07:29 Either way, big thanks to Darren. Of course you know how it goes around here First hour of the show is free second hours for the supporters and we added a lot to the stack in the second hour today Talked about Graham's new show The Indian In The Room talked about his thoughts on these spiritual and religious rituals and beliefs that were lost the intentionally introducing disease aspect of these sorts of things the 60s scoop the missing and murdered indigenous women of Canada, and a little shootin' the shit about podcasting. A fun an educational time! Sign up for PLUS if you like what I do and want twice as much of it, as well this huge archive of second hours that you've missed, and big thanks to those who are already PLUS members couldn't do it without ya

1:08:21 I wanted to get one more show out before the meetup, so i'm glad I did but I am gonna get outta here. I got somewhere to be for once! And I've done my part... Your move Canadian cover-uppers, scandal suppressors and agents of the empire. Your fucking move. Have a drink and a smoke Listen to the cast We shine a shiny spotlight Put criminals on blast The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance

1:09:07 The kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance We're looking for the answer to questions never asked So we come to the Carlwood for the higher side chats The pinstripe men of mourning and families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild the kids don't stand a chance. The kids don't, the kids don't stand, the kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand, the kids don't stand a chance

1:10:10 Involved in shady business We try to get a glance We're working on the number Resistance must advance The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance The kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance