15:57 If you do think it's real, then it's not going away. Then this idea that we got through COVID back to normal is like no! It's going to keep coming and so what are you doing to build your resiliency to it? It's a never ending thing it something that i really wish people would stop intellectual ising or debating. And just like act just put an action which speaks to the third pillar of the mindset thing because you wrote this piece recently about reality as a shared dream you said your, Kind of surprised when you wrote that a non trivial amount of your audience said that they felt like you are accepting them into anostic or new age luciferian mindset and saw a little noticeable drop in support i certainly have experience similar things it's very frustrating. And u wanna be authentic but people are so close minded around some of these ideas, and I agree with the when you say that clothes my goodness is intentional and well designed
17:01 Elaborate on that a little bit. Sure. So I've spoken a bunch about, you know, Helena Blavatsky and Alice Bailey, the Lucius Trust and this one world religion that they want to force onto people. And so it was pretty surprising for them to get that reaction saying oh great, you're one of them. It's like how can you... We're paranoid people Christian! But so the idea of reality being a mass shared dream is actually one that you've explored in an episode I remember well on your podcast with Paul Levy back in the day about his book, Wetiko. And he has a very Jungian and Buddhist lens but excellent I always highly recommend that book and his work to folks
17:45 This is still a bunch of nascent ideas my sort of different take on it is that not just in here's where the big differences between let's discuss right there. The difference between what they say which is the opal oprah winfrey here's the secret you can manifest whatever you want we're all just dreamers and this stream and if u focus your intention hard enough then you get that lamborghini doesn't work that way For one, I think because this is such a mass shared dream that it would take all of us believing the same thing. But I also think it's very clear that the dream has an intelligence to it. It has a guiding plan to it and you can call that... And I do personally call that God but you can call that universe or spirit or whatever language feels appropriate and works for you is absolutely fine to me. The emphasis being that while we do all
18:34 I mean, it ties together so much here because there's this question always of how can God be a sovereign God but everyone have free will? Like how do you marry the... And why does God let bad things happen all these things. I think that what we're seeing is that we have our choice in how we react to what's going on in reality and we can't control the role we play and sort of the way we relate to it but there is something that's happening here that is going to happen anyway. Just as a microcosm, I had this dream and that has sort of helped inform the way I view this it was a weird dream because it looped and so the first iteration of the dream whatever was happening and I walked by something and I incidentally caused a situation where you know water was spilled on the floor and this old lady slipped and she was injured and I felt bad or whatever in the dream went on and then at some point loops and as that situation
19:26 Was reached again i recognized it and I said, i hesitated just for the blink of an eye because i didn't want to trip the old lady again and cause the injury. And in that moment of hesitation someone else knocked over the glass of water and then they'll play slept so i couldn't change. The whole dream but i could change my role in the dream i could change how i relate to it and i think that's Suggesting how this whole thing is working here with reality. The dream has, it does have a, it is sovereign. It does have a way that it's going to go and things that need to happen but we don't necessarily need to be the ones that play certain roles in it and we get to choose how we are in that dream. And how does that land for you? Yeah, it lands well I always get nervous when someone launches into a dream because they are so personal
20:17 I don't know there's a mechanism in my brain and many others i think that just can't get the same. relevance and importance from a dream story without actually was pretty good so kudos you know. Good deal the new age philosophy then just says you can do whatever you want it is this order that becomes the narcissism rewrapped as the secret in the new the new age style says, you can do what everyone you can manifest whatever you want if you believe hard enough for us enough of us leave the same thing and i don't think that's true at all i think that is equally effective at disempowering people because they stop engaging with reality, they retreat into spiritual bypassing and that's why it's the new age psyop. And I kind of previously thought that was all it did
21:03 But when I got this reaction to my post, that was when I realized that it didn't just end there. That is actually a very perfectly and evilly constructed firewall that keeps anyone from thinking about reality as anything other than the mechanistic here-I-am trapped in matter. And that's really fascinating because even as you have Matthias Desmet writing what becomes a bestseller about the psychology of totalitarianism, and he's I would say one of the main points in that book is that the technocrats and their totalitarian tendencies are a necessary endpoint of the failed materialistic worldview. The mechanistic worldview. And so when you have someone with his credentials with that influential of a book or widely read of a book saying hey the worldview has failed it's not this isn't in its consciousness that's primary
21:58 And then no one is seems to be, I'm sure people are doing but i don't seem to find anyone who's really out there saying if this isn't it. If it's not hard and right in front of us what is it? And i think part of the reason that perhaps even that he stopped with that mean there probably would have been another book for him but that he has chosen to stop them and get his academic within especially after putting out this piece and getting that response my sense is that its The whole space of looking outside materialism, looking outside mechanistic reality has been poisoned. Has been made completely radioactive by the new age nonsense. Yes it's been helpful in me understanding the purpose of the New Age style. Yes very well said co-creation is such a buzzword but really like the examples you gave
22:48 Secret type of thinking you know you can get the lamborghini or something a lot of that people who go into those philosophies and types of thinking they are. Apply them to consumer based stuff for better positioning on the economic ladder but that is fake world stuff you know what use the buzzword that is the matrix stop you know that is the simulation it's been built up around us but these principles, Of the real world they become real when you engage with the rio earth directly when you engage with nature directly i'm in the infancy of it i mentioned the acre land like.