Chris Knowles | The Trump Coup & Lucifer’s Tech

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02:18 Without THC, cause we know the Endurance System. Without THC, the highest side jets show our one company... Alright, Hireside Chatters. We've all heard the Arthur C. Clarke quote that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic but maybe they're linked by more than just appearance because it seems that most people who study the smattering of crumbs the Deep State has dropped over the past few decades will find a few curious connections between occult practices and technological advancements

02:57 strange phenomenon and secret experiments, and let's not forget the curious resurrection of ancient Babylonian names from companies on the bleeding edge of things we'll probably never even see. It's true that odd pieces that seem unrelated often come together when you dig deep enough to find the ties that bind. Although what can be overwhelming and often glossed over is the vast amount of knowledge a person needs to put these odd pieces into proper context, because what good is NASA investigator who knows nothing about ancient Egyptian mythology? How valuable is a ufologist whose never studied the occult and can a person really decode Hollywood symbolism accurately without cracking open a book on Kabbalah?

03:35 My point is that true conspiracy research is a vast and interdisciplinary undertaking that few people are willing to follow through to its deepest depths. But lucky for us, today's returning guest Chris Knowles is one of the respectable few who is. Chris is the author of several great books including Our Gods Wear a Spandex! The Secret History Of Comic Book Heroes and The Secret History Of Rock And Roll-The Mysterious Roots Of Modern Music. And of course he has been decoding the esoteric themes of pop culture and parapolitics for years on his blog The Secretson. You know him you love him. Chris my man welcome back to the higher side It's great to be here, Greg. Always a pleasure. Yeah I'm psyched to have you here thanks for doing it! You've been diving down quite a few underexplored rabbit holes on your blog these past few months from Bell Labs dirty laundry to the lesser-known MK Often project and you always get me thinking differently about a lot of these things yeah well that's what i try to do...I mean when people are marching down one avenue I try to look and see where the side streets are

04:37 And it's paid off in interesting ways, especially this year. I mean this is kind of an all bets are off year in so many ways. It's like so many of the strangest most off-the-wall theories and speculations that we've had almost seem like conservative in some ways. I mean, it's so much high strangeness is bubbling to the surface yet again It definitely reminds me of that period during the first Bush administration when so much, you know we had the Franklin scandal come to light. You had things like Waco and Ruby Ridge. You had, you know, the emergence of hacker culture. You had the wars over political correctness and identity politics. You had the wars in the Middle East

05:35 So many of these themes and threads that emerged almost thirty years ago now, i'm not only back but they've kind of metastasized. I mean if they're kinda grown beyond anyone's wildest imaginings i mean hacker culture i think is very much a central story to this election. And I have my own theories on that, you know? I don't believe that all these leaks that we're seeing are the work of Russian hackers. I think that's absurd and I don't believe they're just some guy in his basement munching on Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew. That's equally absurd.

06:20 This is a time like that era, that point in the timeline as Gordon White would say where the machinations of the secret world emerge. That pop up from their underground lairs from there you know they're mile deeps underground cities and whatnot yeah yeah and look around and move the chess pieces around the board a bit. I think that's really what we're seeing, but it's just astonishing to me that we're seeing so many themes that feel almost shopworn to me like an old pair of jeans play out in such a way not only in a para-political sense

07:19 You know, so many of the ideas that say science fiction futurists like William Gibson was putting forth. This whole idea of the super rich trying to break away particularly in Silicon Valley trying to break away from reality they're actually trying to hack reality now it's I mean they've become so delusional and so dislocated from the money and power, it always creates a psychotic state of mind. I think that's as old-story as time. But also the power of hacking

08:05 Not only these deep state players that we've seen but just none of your secrets are safe from determined cyber thieves and things like that. Hacking wars is going to become a major story, you know? We had the Obama administration say oh here we come Ruskies put up your dupes! We're gonna be declaring cyber war on you, here we come. It was an absurd story it was just a story created to perpetuate this illusion that the leaks were all coming from Russia but it does speak to this deeper reality so I mean

08:46 To make a very long story short, all these themes that I've been watching for a very long time are now becoming dominant. They're now becoming major newsbreakers. Absolutely! And that's part of the tapestry of this year but also the underbelly of that, you know. The hints that we also saw when the whole thing with the midnight runs to the White House made the front page of The Washington Times during the first Bush administration I think was seeing a repeat of that with these pizza pollers and things like that. It may well never pop publicly but

09:34 But I think what we're seeing is very intense power politics play out in a semi-public fashion. I agree with you! So it's just really amazing because, again the currents here are not the currents that Joe and Jane Q Public think that they're watching. What we're seeing is deep state technology. We're seeing secret machinations, we're seeing the occult, we're seeing you know the sexual demimonde and in the artistic demimonde sort of combined in this very strange fashion. Right spirit cooking and all that? Yes exactly I mean it's uh oh you know and and the thing that I pointed out there was even worse than the spirit cooking which is

10:27 Repugnant enough. I mean, everybody's focusing on this whole cakes of light kind of idea that she put but that whole performance where she has this crouching statue of a child and she's drenching it in pigs blood. It's psychotic. It's sadistic. It's beyond psychopathic. It's repugnant but the installation that she did in Germany where she bakes these very realistic cakes in the shapes of naked women. And then, she invites all these shishi nightclub people to essentially cannibalize them you know and this is it reminds me of the kind of escalating behavior that you see among serial killers with they don't just wake up one morning and decide to rape and mutilate some woman

11:23 you know, cooker fingers or something. You know it's like there's a series of steps that lead into that and in that whole performance seemed to me like an invitation to that mindset it was just so repugnant beyond imagining this person has some sort of cache in the legitimate art world because It's so obvious, psychotic misogynist, misanthropic adjectives fail you. It's beyond imagining and you can't believe that you're watching it!

12:05 Yeah man these definitely are interesting times i'm sure a lot of the listeners have been keeping up with the peaks behind the veil that you're referring to but given some context of course we have the pizza gate child trafficking scandal, where best a pizza seems to be a type of hub for this activity and then of course this marina abramovic. artist who's doing all these cannibal cake dinners and real dark blood and semen-based rituals, palling around with the Clinton team in the Hollywood elite. All coming out of the Podesta email leaks! And there is still quite a bit digging to be done but in terms of the election I mean I've only seen the baton handed from Bush to Clinton, to Bush to Obama which is basically the Clinton network again and i was pretty surprised that it didn't go to Hillary. It's kind of exciting to see what at least seems on the surface to be a shock to the system and makes me think that some higher level of the power pyramid has discarded the Clinton network and aired enough dirty laundry of theirs they're going have a really hard time getting any footing at this point

13:08 So at least that might be a good thing well it's interesting because i. Yeah i might be john this and jaded at this point in time and you know i'm sure a lot of trump fans are going to, be upset about this, but I see him basically as an anchorman and that somebody else is writing the news. Yeah! You know that there are players beyond our view that we can't really see what's happening. You know i'm getting a very strange vibe and I can't really tell you exactly what I think is happening but all I can say is that the aftermath of this election

13:53 is unlike any which I've seen in the past. There is an eerie calm that has sort of descended upon Washington, I mean it's everybody lawyering up you know just the fact as we speak today yesterday the Trans-Pacific Partnership was just scrapped yeah I mean this trade agreement that had been worked on for a number of years by very, very powerful players. They just drop it? Just like that? Very strange. Are they changing the playbook? Yeah I really don't know... This gets into a layer of speculation that would require a whole different set of rules you know of engagement here i think

14:48 that something very fundamental has changed. I don't know what's going to replace it, we have no idea with what could replace it could be much worse we don't know yet but I think that much more than an election was lost to certain parties and I don't mean political parties I mean two certain parties of interest I just get a very strange sense that something much deeper is going on and it's probably something that is going to come out. But, I just want to be put on the record today as of 11-11-16th that we saw something much more than an election. We saw a very profound shift

15:39 Empower and i can't say whether that's a good thing or not right because we don't know who the players are. But just the fact you know that i keep telling people that the fact that, people like john pedestal and george soros in hillary clinton were basically battered around like kittens with a ball of string, with all this hacking and all these revelations. Even if the media didn't cover it they knew that the media wasn't going to cover it I don't think the point was to have this stuff come out like Watergate because they knew whoever is orchestrating these revelations knew that the media

16:20 is basically the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party. We know this because of the journalist, journalist revelations that have come out and we know this because of the DNC leaks where people from major news sites like Politico and everything are basically acting as stenographers for the Clinton campaign and things like that so I don't think they were expecting this to end up as the new Watergate, I think that they were just basically serving notice to their targets that their secrets are not safe. And hence they themselves are not safe. I think that there was a definite agenda that we're not seeing so and again is something that I can only speculate on I could be totally wrong but you don't get away with hacking

17:14 somebody who's crashed the economies of entire nations. It just doesn't happen, these things just don't happen when we're seeing things that aren't supposed to happen happened you know what I mean and this whole thing you know this whole...I was watching Bill Maher the other night And like this whole, like red scare Russians did this. The Russians did that thing they Bill Maher is an idiot so he might actually believe that the Russians are responsible for this but there's no way there is no way I would bet my house on this that people in positions of real power believe that the Russians had anything to do with us. There's just no way right? So

17:59 But it's interesting because this ties into what we are going to talk about, this whole idea of technology as a Trojan horse. And that sort of the undercurrent all along in this, that series that I had done quite accidentally. Uh, I didn't intend to that for that to become a series it just happened. Let me just preface this and we're talking about a series that I called Lucifer's Technologies and what it actually started as was just the filler post. I hadn't posted for a couple of days and I needed to put up a post so I thought

18:42 you know, this dopey Fox TV show about based on the Lucifer graphic novels which I was a fan of. And uh...I don't know something was just bugging me something was just itching at me and it just grew and grew and grew and grew. Right! I definitely love that series and it gets deeper and deeper as it progresses but to- Well let me say this all the information that I put out there There's so much more that I didn't and the reason being is that when i post you know, I edit very heavily. I try to Get to the core but there is a lot of information You know supplemental information explanatory information a lot of information that I feel

19:29 To really get at this story and to really get the message across to people, it really needs to be a book. So I think you know at some point... I haven't published a book in awhile and there are good reasons for that. A lot of it has to do with my schedule, my day job but a lot of it just has to do with the reality of the publishing world which is pretty grim right? And a lot of it just has to deal with when you deal with an actual publisher I've heard. Oh, it's brutal the amount of hoops that you have to jump through even with what you would think would be a relatively accommodating independent publisher and in some ways they're even worse but the point is that series which turned out to be rather large and then I did a spin-off series

20:26 where I wanted to sort of dig into the actual origin of the Lucifer archetype, because most people sort of stop at a certain point. Sort of the Greco-Roman era and for some reason I was sensing very strongly that it goes much farther back that it has nothing to do with devils or demonology that there's a number of different reasons why it became that way, but at the core of it there was a very powerful idea that is essentially a secret tradition and that the reality of this tradition has been kept from us. And how do we know this? How do we know anybody can... That sounds like just

21:21 kind of all research hyperbole right how do we make that case well we make that case because when we see the shreds of information that we do have on this figure it's like you know this figure his mind is greater than all the gods and now he is the first birth he is the first born son of god are you know he eats before the other guys yeah. The descriptions they did a language that used to describe this figure is so exalted and the prayer is made to this God. It's like, I will worship you above all other gods! You are my only god... All this kind of thing it's like

21:58 this is history's first recorded monotheism in some way, and it has been erased. It has literally been erased! I think that it is very possible that all these things we are seeing in the Middle East where they are destroying archaeological sites, where they're destroying museums and things like that might have something to do with covering up this history. I mean, that's an extraordinary claim and the first to admit that I do not have the extraordinary evidence to back that up but I'm just saying when you go by a few scraps of extant material we have on this figure it is like wait a second... This is the kind of stuff that literally the language

22:50 early Christians writing about Jesus is written about this figure and you're just like what is going on here and Nobody else has written about this. So this is why Anyway, but you know it's fascinating to me that this whole idea of seems to be resonating with people in an interesting way, that you have the Lucifer TV series but you also have this whole corpus of Lucifarian conspiracy theory which I've discovered over the years is really based on absolutely nothing. There's actually no evidence there's

23:38 literature, there's no traces of actual Luciferian groups or shrines or temples or liturgy. You will see that term used again and again and again you know, particularly in the conspiracy realm. And everyone assumes that it has some historical basis but the fact of it is that it has absolutely no historical basis at all! I'm not kidding and you know there is Satanism. Satanism's a very real thing It has a history, it has a tradition, it goes back along way but there is nothing

24:25 to justify any of that. And people are gonna be shocked to hear that, they're gonna think that can't be true! That cannot be true. People are gonna think there's no possibility what I'm saying is true but it is true and they'll say oh well what about Albert Pike? What about Madame Blavatsky and what about Alice Bailey things like that...and I'll say yeah what about them?! So what? Two of them are theosophists, and one is a Freemason. The Luciferian quotes attributed to Pike are proven hoaxes by a French satirist named Leo Taxel. It's interesting—I'm not sitting here trying to advocate quote-unquote Luciferianism because I don't believe that it actually exists—but I'm just saying

25:22 this whole entire sphere of conspiracy thinking has no historical basis at all. And most people don't even understand that, but there is this other idea that you see emerge that has to do with figures like Prometheus and the Watchers that has a lot to do with technology. And it has a lot to do with like forbidden technology, the technologies forbidden and the reason why technology has been forbidden and why we see technology forbidden in religious texts and whatnot is that it was regarded as existential threat to church and state essentially because of it was I mean, as if we've seen it wasn't actually an existential threat to the monarchies of Europe

26:17 no into the Catholic Church. A lot of their undoing was the result of technological advancement It was. And this is one of my big takeaways from this part of the Lucifer Technology series, we do see a lot of those same themes in ancient texts some of the same story patterns around the idea of a revolt against quote-unquote God or whatever the real authority was their day and there are a lot of opinions on how to interpret this who's good and who's really bad but I like this line where you say This war in heaven was rebellion against the first recorded attempt to create a new world order so to speak

26:54 an insurrection that was ultimately successful despite the spin texts like the Book of Enoch or Paradise Lost might put on it. And I think that makes a lot of sense, it seems like the rebels have been demonized no pun intended since the beginning of time. Well understand see here's the thing people in previous centuries did not think the way we thought they thought the church and state were reflections heavenly power. And if you go against the power of the church in this state, you are rebelling against God." Yeah! Right? That was their mindset. That's the way... I mean okay so listen when the Orthodox Church schismed away from the Catholic Church they were demonized as Satanists when the Protestants schismed away from the Catholics they were regarded as Satanists

27:55 John Calvin, a well-known Protestant leader dealt with any dissent or disagreement with his policies by labeling his enemies as Satanists. We saw this with the witch hunts we saw in Salem because once upon a time humanity believed that church and state were reflections of heaven, that on earth as it is in heaven. That there was the divine right of kings, the kings would or ordained by God you know? That the church was literally the vicar of Christ, they were literally the representations of heavenly kingdom on earth so if you

28:47 question that or you usurp that, or you threaten that. You are by definition satanic. You are a representation of the devil." Do you understand what I'm saying? Right! It's a nice trick they had played on everybody. So this is how this all filters down. This is what I did as...I just worked my way back And a lot of the work that I put on the blog was just sort of like, the notes. I have a lot more work than i've been doing outside of the blog so again this is gonna be a book but this is how we trace it back

29:25 Okay, so we're going to look at this whole idea of Lucifer as the light bearer. Now that comes from Prometheus. What did Prometheus do? Prometheus rebelled against Zeus – Zeus the sky god, representation of the heavenly order. But Prometheus was also credited with creating human beings, with teaching them the arts of civilization. I mean he's one of these sort-of ancient aliens kind of figures you know what i mean? His whole history is all about as the patron of humanity but this is the interesting thing

30:07 I traced his story back that there's a school of thinking that argues quite compellingly that his origin is pre-Greek and that a lot of figures we see as Greek are actually pre-Greek. What I believe quite strongly, and I will literally go to the mat for this, is that Prometheus is a deified Sumerian king, okay? And the Sumerian king who is deposed by a figure called Sargon the Great. So what you had is that you had the kingdom of Sumer. And this is really interesting because this is ties, you can get as weird as you really want to if we think this is the Anunnaki, all that kind of stuff right? All right so Sumer was... Sumer had a problem it's that there was a collection of city states and they were constantly fighting with each other because they only had so much water, they only had so much arable land

31:10 They had a lot of problems. So they were constantly battling with each other and a king came along, a Sumerian King came along and said listen we have to all create a confederation here because we're very vulnerable which turned out to be true We're very vulnerable to attack from outside And what he did is that he created basically unified sumer And what happened is that one of his allies was an Akkadian, and the Akkadians were sort of like this parallel civilization to the north. Their leader Sargon betrayed the Sumerian king

31:53 and conquered his kingdom, which was unified Sumer. And actually led him to the gate of the gods in chains just exactly the way that Prometheus was. So there are all these... If you read the stories if you parallel the stories together, you see all these very interesting connections between this character whose name is Lugal-Zagazi and Prometheus And if you really want to get down to it, maybe Sargon the Great was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. There are very interesting reasons for that because don't forget this is the first organized

32:41 civilization in that part of the world, that have extensive libraries. I mean you had people from other parts of the world coming to Babylon to study because they were the people who had the library right? You didn't have libraries in Rome, you didn't have libraries in Greece yet! This is where you went to study because this was at the center of civilization so this is why so many of the stories... Sargon becomes Moses that so many of the stories that we think are part of Moses's biography are actually part of Sargon's biography. But the long and short of this is that Sargon wanted to create a new world order, he wanted to create a kingdom that spread from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean Sea. He wanted to conquer the entire known world

33:32 And what I believe very strongly happened is that the Sumerians, who were deposed by this invasion went north. They went north to the gold mines in the Georgian mountains which had been around for at least 6,000 years And that's how they financed their insurrection against Sargon. Because their insurrection was against Sargon, I think Sargon had two or three heirs and then the Sumerians took power again and it's called the Sumerian Renaissance. So all this was told and retold

34:18 over the years and you know, the long and short of this is that this is where these stories became Prometheus. And later on Prometheus is told in retold he becomes Lucifer. You understand what I'm saying? But it all ties back to this rebellion against Sargon the Great. Now, the reason why I feel so strongly about this is that Sargon's daughter was a poet and what she did is that she wrote all these poems in the voice of the goddess Inanna and Inanna sort of the... She's

34:53 equivalent of goddesses like Ishtar and Aphrodite and everything like that. But she is saying, you rebels up there in the mountains of northern Iraq—you are going against God! You are rebelling against God! You are not just rebelling against Sargon, the usurper, the Akkadian who's overtaking Sumeria. You are going against the wishes of the gods. The gods hate you. The gods will strike you down. you know, are against you. Do-do-d-did you see what I'm getting at here? Lucifer could almost be equated to a figure that uses technology to subvert the established power center

35:32 That's exactly what it is. Because what's going on is that these stories get told and retold, and the rebellious Sumerian kings become the Watchers. How do we know this? What does Sumer mean? It means land of the Watchers. You see what I'm saying? I very strongly believe that the titans of Greek mythology were all also these Sumerian kings. Why do I believe that? Because the Sumerian kings were called Lugals, okay? What does lugal mean? It means giant it means titan it's the same word you know what I'm saying so these connections are really not very hard to find so the point I'm trying to make here and this might sound like complete

36:21 you know, arduous to most people. But this whole idea that has been passed down with the midwife being Christian fundamentalism which is the source of so much modern conspiracy theory more than most people are willing to admit This whole idea of this whole Luciferian, all this kind of thing is in fact the exact opposite of what it originally means through figures like Prometheus. And you know and this is not conjecture here I mean all you have to do is read the Promethean myths. I mean Prometheus is rebelling against Zeus's heavenly rule he's doing so on behalf of humanity

37:09 Do you understand what I'm saying? He's rebelling against the gods who are tyrants on behalf of humanity. So, I'm not just making things up out of thin air here. I'm just saying that there is a much deeper origin to all this. Yeah, I mean it makes sense when you lay it all out like that. How can we take that template or these connections between Lucifer and technology and kind of bring them out of the ancient scriptures into like the last hundred years Well, this is where things get weird. I mean how weird do you want to get? Let's ramp it up to ten! How weird do you want to get because here's the thing...

37:48 The figure who is called Lucifer in the Bible is actually Nebuchadnezzar, okay? And Nebuchadnezzar was the Babylonian king who conquered Israel and took the Jews or some of the Jews. He took all the scribes and doctors. It was almost like a kind of brain drain let's say. Right. He took all the people that you want, the operation paperclip of its day. He didn't take the farmers he didn't take the shepherds. He took people like Daniel so then you have this whole thing with a fiery furnace in the book of Daniel like what the hell is that all about? I mean, that's a very strange story. What's the mythological You know if you're going to get all Joseph Campbell about that Like what

38:40 What psychological impulse does the fiery furnace and then this other figure shows up, and everything like that? What psychological impulse does that serve?" You know what I mean. It's like this is where I really break with the Jungians. Now you had this figure of Lucifer who in the Bible in the book of Isaiah is actually Nebuchadnezzar okay now the interesting thing about this is that where else did we hear about Nebuchadnezzar. We heard about Nebuchadnezzar during the Iraq war because Saddam Hussein believed himself to be the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar, okay? And what happened as soon as troops pulled into Iraq? They made a bee line for the Iraqi National Museum

39:35 Why? Well, gee I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that all the Sumerian tablets went missing and that only a third of them have been recovered you know 13 years later what's that about like why do you do that right think about that for a minute You know we've heard that story so many times that we take it for granted and it just becomes part of the high weirdness conspiracy wallpaper no Stop. Stop just a minute, you're invading a country with all this oil wealth and all the rest of it

40:14 I'm going to let you in on a little secret. We really haven't gotten that much oil out of Iraq. Iraq, its military posed no threat to Israel or anybody else. Its military was a paper tiger. They knew they had no weapons of mass destruction and we knew that the whole campaign was fiction, was Hollywood right? So what actually happened is that the first thing they do is make a beeline to the museum. And what's this alleged terrorist group ISIS doing? You know, it's like they too are looting all these artifacts. What is so important about these artifacts?" Right! You know what I mean? Here's the problem...I'm going to tell you a problem and i just want to get back to The Election about this because in my latest post I talked about

41:09 Maybe Hillary was targeted, maybe John Podesta was targeted. And maybe it had something to do with the fact that back in March Hillary said we're going to open up the secrets of Area 51 and finally get to the bottom of what these UFO's are all about. You think everybody's eyes were all come on you know? Then people like Richard Dolan will say she is going after the UFO vote. It's like what UFO vote? Seriously? The UFO vote? You know, John Podesta has been on this whole hobby horse for a long time now. It has nothing to do with reptilians. It has nothing to do with zeta reticuli. It has to do with the black budget world. It has to do with secret aircraft. It has to do with the Secret Space Programme. It has to do when these politicians get lippy

42:05 and step outside their little square, they get spanked. And it's been happening since JFK because 10 days before JFK was assassinated he wrote a memo saying I want whatever secrets we have about UFO technology released and shared with the Russians It's like, oh yeah that's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? And it's like every time one of these politicians messes with this issue they run into a wall of misfortune. And tell us more about that pattern. Okay about this pattern do you mean? Right because there is a lot more than just JFK and now Clinton there are other people who have run into the same problem right? Well here's how it goes so JFK

43:02 was messing around with this stuff. And then we had people like Dorothy Kilgallen who ended up dead, like so many other people involved with the JFK situation and she was not only looking into the JFK assassination she was also looking into the UFO situation and she winds up dead Gerald Ford was Speaker of the House in the late 1960s, and he got a lot of complaints about the way the Air Force had treated a series of UFO flaps in his home state of Michigan. He ordered congressional hearings on this subject which eventually led to the Condon Committee

43:45 in the University of Colorado, which turned out to be a total whitewash. But he made the effort and I mean the timeline is little shaky but i've been told that the big UFO document dump that we saw it in the 70s was actually begun under his administration So, you know all those documents that really created UFO conspiracy. I mean the whole UFO conspiracy world that was so prevalent in the 70s 80s and 90s and the doors really slammed shut after 9-11 came about because of all these documents that were released because of the Freedom of Information Act now again everyone credits Carter with that but i've been told by a prominent ufo skeptic

44:35 who's also a scholar of the phenomenon, that it was actually Ford who was involved in this. Now the interesting thing about Ford is that he had two assassination attempts one of which was by a Manson family member I mean what are the odds of that? And the other one was by a woman who is obsessed with the Sibionese Liberation Army which takes us back to Project Often MK Often. And arguably as does the Manson family, I mean, I would argue that the Manson family is more an MK Often project than an MK Ultra project. And talk to us about the difference there because I don't think a lot of listeners will have heard of MK Often yet? Well, we'll in just a moment but let me just continue this timeline that you asked about so Gerald Ford he does this and

45:26 Boom. Two assassination attempts. Jimmy Card is very outspoken on the topic and then he gets hit with a whole Iran hostages issue, and it turns out there was a lot of chicanery with intelligence services making sure that the hostages weren't released before the election Reagan's a little iffy, but Clinton is really activist on this issue. Orders an investigation of the Roswell incident doesn't like the results or there's another one and then he's impeached. There's a congressman from New Mexico who also gets involved in this dies of cancer shortly after he orders an investigation of the financial records at age 51 so

46:12 Now we have Hillary, who was very outspoken about this issue on the campaign trail. Much to the mocking of the press and whatnot but I think that she knew what she was really talking about and I think Podesta knew what he was really talking about they were talking about sticking their nose in the black budget world And they got spanked! The two of them like badly They lost the election first of all And, you know, there may be more to come. You know certainly Podesta's been humiliated I mean when the Washington Post has to say no John Podesta doesn't drink blood and urine with his dinner or something in a headline you know that it's bad Yeah! You know what i'm saying? You know that things are much much worse behind the scenes

47:00 So people hear UFOs and they've been so conditioned by the disinformation program to think silliness, but they should really be thinking secret aircraft black budgets. Black ops things like that and they don't and a lot of people in the conspiracy world think they're going to appear more serious if they make fun of UFOs and stuff but they don't realize how important the subject really is and how many of the, like say disinfo techniques that are used across the board now were first perfected on UFO community. I mean it's a whole thing. In a nutshell you think that these cover stories where we're told about aliens from Zeta Reticuli might really be covering up something that's more seeped in the occult right?

47:56 I think it's all of the above to be honest with you. I'm like a both and person, personally i don't believe in extra solar aliens, we're dealing with aliens coming from zeta reticuli, I just don't believe it. You know they are saying now that EM drive is possible and things like that But I think that, and I've been saying this for several years now is that what we call aliens are elusive companions. And it's not just me that's saying this. This is something Charles Ford said a hundred year ago. I'm even kind of iffy on the whole hyper-dimensional way of thinking

48:41 because I think those effects could just as easily be explained by exotic cloaking technology. So, a lot of it is just hokum and nonsense—maybe even most of it—but the stuff that isn't is a very complex tapestry things that will keep people up at night if they really think about it seriously. No, I mean that with all seriousness. Of course! My family and I had an orb sighting last year we were coming up the highway into New Hampshire We just crossed the border and saw these two orange orbs basically harassing a private plane that had just taken off from the airport This thing was maybe 1,000 feet over our head

49:32 So we got a really good look at this and we were just shocked. And we saw these things, and I mean personally that's not aircraft, that's not technology, that's...I don't know what the hell that is but these things have been seen since the middle ages. Elusive companions? Yeah! God knows what we're talking about it's crazy but a lot of it is black ops and black projects. And I think that's probably the stuff that gets a lot of UFO investigators killed. Right, but... And that's where we get into the tie-in to magic because at the heart of the Black Projects, we see all this kind of symbolism and this strange naming from ancient sources Yeah, yeah The lines of demarcation are very blurry It's another thing that I sort of discovered with the Lucifers

50:27 Technology series and you know that's one of the things i discovered when I was looking to Roswell. You know, Roswell has always sort of bothered me because the standard UFO narrative doesn't really work for me and the debunker explanations don't really work for me but here is a thing... And I don't think a lot people understand this that they don't read ancient mythology is that there's a very long and illustrious tradition of things crashing to Earth, and strange creatures getting out of them. And interacting with people and giving them technology. This isn't just like ancient aliens' wild misinterpretations of ancient texts. The thing that really ties into Roswell

51:13 is the myth of Cadmus. Now, why is Cadmus important? You know, Cadmus was a Phoenician and the plains at St Augustine where the alleged crash actually took place—and again I don't believe it was actually a crash, I think this was all ritual—are exactly parallel with Baalbek which was in ancient Phoenicia. Do you understand what I'm saying? 34th parallel, right? Yeah so there's like okay well why is that not only roughly parallel but exactly on the nose up to the second parallel how does that happen and this whole thing like Roswell hmm well what does that mean? Well Cadmus

52:08 One of his myths is that he raided the well of Mars and he slayed the dragon, the dragon of Mars. And he used the teeth from the dragon of Mars to create a race of superhumans. So we're kind of looking at like, what does this story mean? The Well of Mars, Dragon... It's all this very loaded symbology here. Mars the red planet Yeah, Red Ros Rose Well Okay so well that's interesting or maybe that's just coincidental except for here is a problem is that Cadmus

52:53 He was initiated into the arts of technology, let's just say by the great gods of Samothrace. They have a number of different names, the Kibiri, the Telchins, the Dactyls... I mean they were known by a number of different names but they were the sons of Hephaestus and they crashed to Samothrace in what was called the meteor. You know, they were inside a meteor that crashed on an island and then they set up this temple where people came to study the arts of you know, the mystery cults I don't use the term Mystery School because Mystery School is a term that was coined by Alice Bailey It's actually not historically accurate term

53:51 there were no actual mystery schools, they were mystery cults. But it's a semantic argument but it's just something that always kind of bugs me because it's an Alice Bailey-ism. But anyway the point is that not only is Cadmus linked to a Red Well, a Rose Well he's also linked to this spacecraft that crashed to Earth and was filled with these what can only really be called alien creatures. I mean, there's been a number of different descriptions of them but they were said to have pincers for hands sometimes they were described as crab-like beings sometimes they're described as men with pincers sometimes we describe it as men with pincers and dog heads you know i know Gordon White has talked about the whole idea of dog heads so now here is the interesting thing

54:45 There is a lot of speculation that Bell Laboratories acquired the technology for the transistor, which of course enabled everything that we are familiar with today. You know it enabled solid state technology and enabled computer technology everything after that by our discovery on you know quote unquote crash spaceship at Roswell. The timeline is fascinating because you had the crash at Roswell and what, five months later? Six months later a team connected to Vannevar Bush who is definitively connected to a group that was charged with studying UFO technology

55:36 So his team, and he was also the chairman of the board of AT&T which owned Bell Labs. I mean, the connections here can make your head spin but the point is that Bell Labs are the people who Give us the transistor, the first transistor. Bell Labs lady becomes Lucent Technology. Everybody thinks this is a nod to Lucifer. No! Lucent is the same word as Cadmus See what I'm saying? It's like Lucent actually could just as well be called Cadmus Technologies. Before Bell Labs became Lucent, their last major computer program was called Plan 9 from Bell Labs and its mascot was an alien. A connection to the seance that channeled The Nine maybe! Arthur Young was in that group and he worked for Bell Labs Yeah exactly so

56:34 literally you need a spreadsheet like a flowchart to make all these connections. But let me just boil this all down for people because they're probably just like, what the hell is this guy talking about? Basically there is a very strong and definitive connection between what is not just mythology, you know. Not just like what you see on ancient aliens where they just take sort of random myths and say well but what they really meant was that it was a spaceship! You know? No not that I'm talking about mystery cult where you had to be initiated this was all secret between mystery cults symbolism

57:21 quote-unquote alien technology and phenomena, and then high technology. And then this combination is now bleeding over into our politics. Now here's the thing I began writing about this and I didn't even know why but i believe very strongly that this all bled over into our political arena in a big bad way. I mean, I haven't sort of nailed this down, this connection down...I will on my next post but Hillary stuck her nose she basically stuck her nose in Area 51 and they cut it off for her you know what I'm saying? And that's basically what happened here. And she was someone that you would have thought- I think a lot of people in their rudimentary understanding of these things would have thought that she was kind of above that

58:16 You know what? This is what scares me, like literally. Because there's obviously a higher level above the Bushes and the Clintons and the Soros' and all these other people. There's obviously somebody who can take a stroll through George Soros' email and put it up on the internet without any repercussions whatsoever. Who has the power to do that? Honestly, I mean when you begin to think about that it's rather frightening. And the interesting thing is

59:00 When Bell Labs changed over to Lucent, my wife was actually working there. We only had one car at the time so I was dropping her off there all the time and sort of picking up that vibe but talk about the political world bleeding over here. Kali Fiorina who ran for the Republican nomination for president I think she's the one to blame i think she is basically the one who destroyed lucent technologies like we had had lucent stock and at one point it was like sixty six dollars and i told my wife because this is when the dot com crash everything that happened i told her i said cash out on that stock now and she's like well i heard its going up to ninety nine i said no cash out of it now and like

59:50 A month later, it was like a nine cents or something. Yeah, it was brutal. So yeah I'm really familiar with that stuff from the inside as much as possible and it's really interesting too because Lucent is owned by Nokia now. And, you know it just goes to show you that the whole world of international corporate power is so incestuous and so transnational. You know this is the power behind globalism. It's not this Kumbaya we're all going to be brothers kind of business. It's all about the fact that these corporations are all transnational but they don't respect

1:00:38 international borders. They find national borders to be a nuisance and it's interesting too because Bernie Sanders was very frank about this, I guess before he got the talk you know he said this whole open borders business... This is the Koch brothers! This isn't liberalism. This is Wall Street so They want to consume everything until there's just one thing. Yeah, it's like a drain and drop program This has been such an interesting year because so many of the streams

1:01:16 that I've been studying, all the little side streets that i've been exploring have become like the main street. And and I don't know how much of it is taken seriously by other researchers? I think a lot of people still look in particular directions but you know the thing was with the models that I work with they're predictive It's like I know where things are going to go because I see the patterns from past events I just wanted to close the Roswell loop real quick. So we have this ancient story of Cadmus in the Well of Souls, we have Roswell being on Mars... The well of Mars! Sorry, the well of Mars slip and then we have the 34th parallel which is the same as we see Baalbek and it's odd. It seems like they're trying to set up conditions to mirror ancient texts or ancient stories is that the indication that you get?

1:02:10 Well, I think that's always the indication. It's what I call getting their attention. You know what I mean? It's pulling off big events and signing the names of various figures that you're trying to appeal to. It's basically the modus operandi of the space program. Why on earth would you call program OSIRIS-REx. It's the most tortured acronym I think I've ever seen in my life, it's absurd! But it's like no we have to call this OSIRIS-REx we'll make it fit you know what I mean? I think the same thing with the Lucifer telescope exactly you know what I mean? They want to call upon these powers they want to channel this energy

1:03:03 And part of it is this naming and this goes back to the whole idea of names. You name somebody something or something, a place that the whole idea of naming to begin with was a magical art of accruing power. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I am running Fox. Well that means you want to be speedy, you want to be stealthy, you want to have that energy. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I am proud bull. Trying to invoke those characteristics. Yeah! Exactly what... You put your finger on the button there it's the Art of Invocation

1:03:47 I believe that this whole thing with Roswell like why would you put all the nuclear bombs in like this army air force base well because Roswell. ties back to the well of Mars. It's Mars, you're trying to invoke Mars that's why do you see what I'm saying? Yeah That's why I really very strongly believe that it was a ritual and the whole thing with General Ramy, The Ram Jupiter Amon You know and it's like calling on very powerful gods And these gods go back a long way before Jehovah and all these other figures. I told you about this figure that goes by a number of different names, whether you're looking at it from Babylonian or Sumerian or Akkadian

1:04:37 And it's interesting because there is an invocation to this figure in the Simon Necromanticon as well. This character, whether he is called Ghira or Gebel or Erah—a number of different names—Aisham, this ancient Lucifer figure that I discussed at the beginning of the program. Now we have written evidence for this figure 2500 years before Christ Okay? Now he's called the Shepherd of God, 2500 years before Christ. Who do you think came first? You know it's like the people who wrote the Bible where did they think they were getting all this information from? They were getting it from the library at Babylon! So its the same process, drawing upon these very ancient powerful energies to appropriate that power for yourself right? It's human nature

1:05:33 It's something that anthropologists and psychologists will have to explain. But I would argue that it most certainly has magical repercussions, that it produces results. And why do I say that? Because if it didn't people wouldn't do it anymore. People don't read tea leaves anymore! They're all kind of magical practices but they aren't in use anymore You know what I mean? Right. And some that are? Yeah, the whole psychological explanation for these practices

1:06:10 Really doesn't pan out because you have to wonder like well, why do people still work with tarot decks? Well because they're happy with the results You know what I mean? I mean people don't really at least in the West. I mean, you don't see a lot of people working with iQIYI I mean there are a lot of divination systems that people just don't use But they still use astrology. They still use the Tarot, you know, they still use Ouija boards Why did they use them because they worked and As far as they're concerned, you know what I mean? If they didn't work they wouldn't be used. So let me ask you about if we get into technology today, there's a lot of people that get caught up in the latest apps and VR. But areas where it really counts? I mean you're pretty critical saying that innovation seems to be long dead. What are your thoughts on Silicon Valley and what's happening? That isn't just me. The only major figure in Silicon Valley who supported Donald Trump is a guy named Peter Thiel and he's one of the founders of PayPal. And he also runs this security company called Palantir

1:07:14 And he says that we haven't had real innovation in 40 years or maybe even 45 years, he said since the early 1970's. everything that they're working with now, say Snapchat and instant messaging and all this kind of stuff. These are all refinements of technologies that were being developed in the 60s! Like literally in the 1960's. We talked about this guy Vannevar Bush okay? The guy who is provably through government documents at least was known to be interested in studying UFO technology, at the same time he's deeply connected to the development of transistor and all the rest of it. He basically

1:07:59 conceptualized the World Wide Web in the 1940s. Okay? He wrote a very famous essay that conceptualized the World Wide Web all the way back then, so there's been a whole movement of very brave sociologists professors all these kind of people are saying you know what All this shit you're reading about technology and science and all the rest None of it is true. And this is something that I've been talking about for years because, I was reading Wired back in the early 90's and I was reading Mondo 2000 you know? Every time DARPA put out a headline...I mean, I lost count of the amount of headlines that DARPA put out that never appeared! You know they never hit the market or never hit the battlefield or you name it

1:08:55 And the thing is, all these articles that people put in their Facebook feeds – and I think it's starting to die down a bit. But you know all this, I fucking love science kind of stuff? When you actually read the articles they're so filled with qualifiers and walkbacks and oh maybe this will happen we'll see… Say an example, it's like you know you will grow two heads in the future and I'm like oh my god. That'll be amazing You know it's like and so like well if the technology emerges that will allow you to grow two heads. You'll grow two heads I mean like literally that's like the article It's like yeah, but it's that amount of foolishness smoke-and-mirrors its smoke-and-mirror is because it has a political it reminds me very much of Like late Soviet

1:09:47 propagandizing. My wife had given me some Soviet World magazines because they had some stuff on Mars and some interesting things on the space program, you know it's interesting that our modern version of the Soviet government the Obama administration was also pushing this whole thing with Mars and all is the rest of it You know this whole like techno hype and techno worship and everything It's part of this whole false concept of futurism, of progress being a straight line. A linear process that's constantly going up and when you really look at progress it's a scribbly line that has a lot of sharp lines going backwards and things like that I mean the thing is is that...I'm older than you. I'm older than probably a lot of your audience okay? So I grew up really

1:10:43 Just as a lot of this technology was starting to dig in. Here's an example It's like when I was a kid, like the big thing was pong Okay Like oh great because you could play like you didn't need somebody to play against You could just play the machine You know? I was playing games like Seawolf and later on I was playing Asteroids and Space Invaders and stuff like that Really super primitive stuff But it was so new, it was so different. It was just like you could play Monopoly or Solitaire or Tinker Toys or you could play Sea Wolf. I mean just like...it was a paradigm shift! You know what I mean? The technocrats have been trying to sell this whole concept of a never-ending paradigm shift

1:11:36 But this is where I start to just question the whole nature of this paradigm shift because you saw basically a static line of technological advancement, maybe going up, maybe going down. over a couple of millennia, and then the line shoots straight up right after 1947. Oh gee! What happened then? Interesting. I mean...I'm not saying that they reversed spacecraft technology—I don't necessarily believe that's true—but I believe that something happened extraordinary, something that would freak people out if they actually understood

1:12:21 We may never actually know how it went down. You know what I mean? We can only speculate, but I do think it has to deal with non-human intelligences absolutely Absolutely. I don't know who they are. I don't know how they how they operate But somehow they decided okay now Now's the time for this to click in mm-hmm Yeah you know what I mean because the line just shot straight up but the problem is is that since Xerox PARC and the personal computer, and all the rest of it. It's just been incremental. All they've been doing is this little touch-ups at the edges. Right where are the advancements in energy transportation space travel you know rockets are the same as they were then essentially? Exactly so there's this whole idea of the EM drive I don't know

1:13:16 how much of it is still theoretical. There's a lot of science that can work like gangbusters on paper, but once you get to the application stage where it requires too much energy and blah blah blah there's just too much qualification that makes it untenable Now here's the thing interestingly enough electromagnetic and electro-gravitics and all this stuff these are things people The ufology field has been talking, you know as relates to recovered and reverse engineered technology for a number of years. So I mean we'll just put that aside we'll just table that for now but the point is is that when not going to work in jet packs cars are essentially the same as they've been for 50 or 60 years. I mean refrigerators are essentially the same dishwashers actually our

1:14:11 public works infrastructure is deteriorating. It's getting worse, you know bridges water gas electric it's in serious trouble I mean that's one thing that the Trump was actually dead on about is that we've got some serious major problems with our infrastructure in the United States right? It's deteriorating and it threatens, you know our economic future what about the argument for the past couple decades, all the technologies. We don't see them because they've gone underground deep state projects or breakaway civilization stuff do you think those claims might be overinflated? I think they're over inflated but like i said get back to what i was saying about Hillary and John Podesta. I think that there is a core of truth to them. I think that while speculation pasted on to them...I'll give you a perfect example

1:15:07 Now, this is an example I always like to bring up. In 1966 which seems to be a very crucial year because that's also the other than MK often kicked in. In 1966 we saw the secret technology of the SR-71 Blackbird emerge from Skunk Works This is a plane that has yet to be equaled so 50 years ago The greatest form of human transportation that has ever been unleashed was unleashed. It could outrun anything flying today now the Obama administration put all its chips behind what was called the F-35 program which is supposed to be the cutting edge of technology and it's turning out to be a dog, a lot of our allies have stuck with it but

1:15:59 There was a lot of speculation that the reports of this program being a dog were all misinfo to fool the Russians, except for now we're seeing that the A-10 Warthog isn't going to be replaced and everything like that. So you know the proof is in the pudding it's like if they're not going to replace this ancient plane you know the thing that was supposed to replace it as a dog so I just wonder okay if we had the SR71 50 years ago, 50 years ago mind you. Like, what happened after that? What's happened since you know we've had the B2 which is pretty impressive and it's an impressive machine. You know all these different kind of stealth things but still I mean we peaked 50 years ago why now the thing is that I believe I do believe there are more that the black world is keeping things to themselves

1:16:58 And I think that there's a major power struggle over this. And I think that, you know what they call the Rockefeller report? That Clinton was involved in Lawrence Rockefeller and I think Stephen Greer got involved with it. I think this was...that world, that end of the power structure, that facet trying to sort of muscle in on the action and paying the price. My problem with a lot of conspiracy thinking is this whole idea of a monolithic power structure. I think that that is just not true. It's more Game of Thrones? I think it was literally a Game of Thrones, and we might have just seen The Red Wedding. It might've taken place behind the scenes but like I said, I get a very strange sense there's an eerie calm descending over Washington right now. And strangely enough

1:17:53 Let's just tie this all back because I'm going on a lot of different tangents here. But let me just say what this is all really about, is that all these kind of side streets that I've been wandering down led me back into the main street and a lot of things that I've been studying that people thought were maybe kind of eccentric or irrelevant you know, oh you should be studying Marnock program and butterflies and kitten programming all this kind of stuff. It's like well whatever when I started doing the whole thing with MK Off and I think a lot of people thought like why is he talking about that? You know what I mean that was 50 years ago Well what do we see now We see the satanic temple trying to start satanic clubs in elementary schools And we see the guy who runs

1:18:44 little operation. He was a neuroscience major at Harvard, he's involved with people like Richard Dawkins, he's involved with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation which is just riddled with pedophiles and CIA MKUltra people. Do you see what I'm getting here? It's like I don't know exactly why started writing about that stuff either. Like, I had no idea that they were doing an Exorcist TV series and then that popped up it was very interesting but while i was in the middle of that like the exorcism thing pops up again so...I don't know! It's just a very strange year. It has been extremely strange here for me personally and in the world And I don't think people really understand how strange this is

1:19:37 Maybe it'll take till next year for the dust to settle, but very strange things have been happening. I mean Donald Trump is president! Think about that. Just think about that for a minute. A guy who like a couple years ago was on Celebrity Apprentice is now ostensibly the most powerful man in the world. Makes no sense This is surreal So I did want to ask you this, though. In terms of the technological halt that we were talking about just a few minutes ago, the idea that we're in an artificial environment has always been interesting to me and you tie this into the surprising lack of technological achievements lately in your astro Gnostic posts saying things like one has to wonder what

1:20:22 What a world in which humanity were trapped or quarantined on our prison planet looked like. Maybe our spacecraft would be subject to constant monitoring harassment, maybe after 60 years of trying we'd be no closer to breaking Earth's orbit than when we started and maybe our most ambitious attempts to jailbreak Earth would be subjected devastating acts of sabotage citing the SpaceX launch and CERN experiments they've had wrenches thrown at them. Columbia! Yeah I love that stuff Do you think it's getting easier to make the case that we might be on some type of quarantine situation with these overwatchers not really allowing us to get beyond our little snow globe? Well, here is the thing. Who made that argument a hundred years ago? Charles Ford. Okay I mean let me just give credit where credit is due. I did not invent that whole way of looking at the world You know that groundwork has been laid for all of us

1:21:18 you really have to wonder because the interesting thing to me is that we find out that Elon Musk is starting to talk about maybe living in a computer simulation, not long after one of his very expensive rockets blows up on the launch pad. Now, we've all seen that video with that strange object that flies by just before that thing blows up. There's a very interesting kind of cognitive dissonance that applies to that because I believe in many ways so much of ufology and movies and Hollywood, everything is not part of a conditioning program to get us to accept our alien overlords or whatever kinda nonsense you hear. Um, I think it's actually just make us too

1:22:14 dismiss, to ignore when things like that happen. When we see all these things flying around harassing the space station and everything like that I mean it's been happening fairly regularly now And they always cut the feed and it's like, oh well we just cut the feed anyway. It was time to cut the feed. Yeah sure! Well if you don't think so then your a conspiracy theorist. Oh okay well I guess I won't be invited to good parties then. Never mind... You know what i mean? To tie back into ancient texts about a cosmic war might we be dealing with some kind of consequences or ramifications for that ancient rebellion?

1:22:59 It would be pure conjecture on my part. I mean, all I can do is just look at the fact that we're constantly hearing all this stuff... Oh! We have the technology to send ET home. We have the technology to reach the stars. You know? We have the technology to put men on the moon and all this kind of stuff and it's like well okay why aren't we you know what what is stopping us? We are constantly hearing all these brags from the aerospace quarter, but nothing is ever done. I mean all we ever see is all this junk parked in low Earth orbit and they're growing tomatoes and playing guitars up there you know what they're really doing is putting up surveillance satellites and things like that but um...I would say quite strongly that that is the strongest possibilities of all

1:23:54 Various scenarios that people would argue about is that we are stuck here. Yeah, a lot of pieces fit that puzzle. You know the Gnostics were right somehow they knew you know before there was manned spaceflight somehow they figured it all out I'd love to know how. I'd love to know who told them, when you read those texts and then I'm not talking like the Nag Kamadi stuff that's an entirely different culture that sort of like... When people talk about the Nag Kamadi Gnostics, but to me it's like those are the hippie-dippy gnostics. Those are like the city dwellers they're sort of like the Occupy Wall Street Gnostics. The kind of Gnostics that I'm interested in

1:24:42 survived for 2000 years in like the worst neighborhoods in the world. I'm talking like the Mandians and Yazidi, and the Druze people like that who've dealt with numerous attempts to genocide them out of existence and still keep on ticking. Those are the kind of Gnostics that I'm interested in, and it's interesting because a lot of people who are interested in Gnosticism don't necessarily recognize those people as Gnostics but those people to me other real Gnostics. And if you read their their literature, it's just chock-filled with one flying saucer after another. I think that they were keyed in from a very long time ago and I think that their cosmology is bearing fruit now interestingly enough and maybe that's why there is such a determined effort today to wipe them out

1:25:38 It wouldn't surprise me. You know, seriously? Yeah! In all seriousness I think that because they have access to information very possibly from sources outside everyday reality Right... it's part of this game. I get it but man it has been a great time talking to you we've gone into three hours now To wrap this up If people want to get more Chris Knowles, and who doesn't? Where should they go? Just go to secretsun.blogspot.com and as soon as I possibly can...I have a lot of material for new books that will definitely be self-publishing Gordon has convinced me to do so Nice! I definitely see the light now

1:26:29 It's just a question of getting the time to put them together. But, a lot of this will make more sense when it is put into book form I know we sort of rambled and wandered around a lot but when you see it all laid out it'll make more sense What we should do if that If you link To the blog I will link to the post in question so people can see things laid out more coherently than what I was able to do here. When people see the Lucifer's Technologies material laid out,

1:27:07 it will make a lot more sense to them. Yeah, it's dense and this is just a short conversation but I appreciate you coming back you are one of the greats when it comes to getting past the dramatic cover stories and get into the real meaty things I think personally I try to adopt a more mature approach to this stuff and big part that is your influence and Gordon's influence so thanks again take care yourself out there alright man? Alright thank you sir! You got it! Peace Boom people! I know Chris thinks we jumped around a little too much, but I loved this one. I've read all the posts he was referring to so maybe I had some helpful context to stitch it together?

1:27:48 but I think it all worked. I hope it all makes sense you could tell we were clearly distracted with the election results and the pedestal leaks we left a lot on the table from what we were going to talk about because of that, but check out his Lucifer Tech series itself if you want to dig deeper or just wait for the book! You know early on Chris mentioned Lucifer's prayers always emphasizing he'll have no other gods before him and that kind of thing almost being the first recorded monotheism, it's funny because there is a lot of talk about the deity flip. That the Vatican is channeling energy for a negative being painted in a positive light and at the same time have no other gods before me is what we're told the one true God says according to the Bible and then throw in the fact that Chris says a lot of this history around Lucifer has been erased I think we have a perfect conspiratorial storm here

1:28:43 He's also pretty clear though that Lucifer is a title, not necessarily a character. So it gets really weird because is Lucifer a rebel who's working to help us in that Promethean sense or is it more satanic? I guess... It's a mess! It's a tangled web. I guess just because someone goes up against the established order we see them as a rebel, we see them as a William Wallace but that doesn't mean they're a good person They could be just as controlling and psychopathic as the current guard. They just want that shit for themselves so obviously it's complex but I just wanted to throw in a little fuck the Vatican while we were on the subject, i don't know? But if veneration of these entities gives you power The Vatican certainly had that for awhile and still has a gold palace in its own city So they're not doing too shabby let's not kid ourselves

1:29:39 A tangent, I know. But i do love the tone in Chris's voice when talking about the behind-the-scenes events of this last election. I actually wanted to add and the big spank or the Clinton spanking did the title because I do think that's what happened but now with this recount thing...I mean I guess Jill Stein is behind most of it. I had to tune out now that we actually have results but I did hear Clinton making a few comments about this recount thing But you know, what are you doing lady? Just stop. You've fallen down in events people are equating the spot on your tongue to assist from eating human flesh have you seen that one? Fairly convincing to be honest! Your closest friends have been exposed your foundation's been exposed...your old just stop take some vacations just build a little fortress of solitude and order your kids delivery we've seen enough of you

1:30:36 What I also liked about this episode is how well it fits in with some previous Joseph Farrell episodes, both in the third level of power pyramid being The Fascist International and also based on the NIMSA and Sonora Aero Club stuff we talked about awhile back. It could very well be them with the hidden technologies and large piggy bank that's working behind-the-scenes. I'm sure there are more too but The Globalists got spanked in exchange for a nationalist and the TPP was scrapped That seems like that kind of fascist international play in a way to me, but I'm dumb. And I'm sure there are other players too! But also the idea of the planetary quarantine was brought up in the Treaty of Versailles template episode with Joe awhile back. That idea is that if there was a major cosmic war in the past some higher level would have instituted some post-war rules for us

1:31:33 Surveillance and whatnot, maybe that's what UFOs are. It does fit with the mythology and the circle jerk reality of modern tech hard to say but it is a deep one I dig it And I'm glad we got it all in before the end of the month We came in hot out of the gate with Joseph Farrell and Anthony Peake Then we hobbled across the finish line at the last minute with John McMurtry Daniel Pinchbeck and Chris Knowles But...we did it I think they're all pretty choice episodes but this and Dr. Farrell would have to be my favorites for the month for sure links between magic and tech are strong the idea that most of the strange phenomenon the counterculture is familiar with as a result of occult workings in rituals love it if you're a flat earther or a fan of this prison planet perspective, you have to have an answer some other weird stuff like Roswell and these other

1:32:27 sagas where elements are said to have come from other places. Well, with this mindset it could all very well just be here in other realms anyway lot to like and it was another longer show so you're welcome for that if you want to hear more sign up for plus or get the seven day free trial at the bottom of the page at the higher side chats dot com In this plus show, we got deep into some projects like Operation Crossroads. What an interesting name since crossroads is where you make offerings to entities to get what you want We also got into what Chris thinks was really behind the Montauk project and he breaks down how MKOften was an offshoot of MKUltra with less emphasis on mind control per se And more on weaponizing the occult and torturing kids for good measure Classic Deep State stuff

1:33:15 We also got to the fact that Night of the Living Dead was billed as a children's movie originally and that it and The Exorcist were both way more powerful in their first theater run. And that is probably because they are weaponized to cause trauma! I think this is a common observation, these movies were way more intense than theaters and the official story is just that oh well technology was so fresh and new and because people weren't familiar with CGI it was the most real they had to date but I think that's flimsy. I think there might be something deeper going on as does Chris, but it's a lot check it out because it is an interesting perspective on little pockets of unknown history so yeah I think any higher side fan should dig this one like I've mentioned I've got several shows recorded we are gonna get away from

1:34:08 some politics shit because I think we're all kind of sick of it. And this one to me was getting away from that or at least analyzing it in as interesting a way as could be but anyway also higher side clothing is here my new t-shirt company 2.0 better quality designs from passionate higher side fan artists and they all relate directly to episodes I would love to see a design based on this episode. That would be quite wild, but check out all the shirts full color designs! I'm sure you'll see something you like it's my new baby and i'm so happy because it's real professional quality as good as the best T-shirt brands out there when you get a little money you can actually stop compromising and do things the way you wanted to originally... And it's a beautiful thing

1:34:57 But either way, I'm getting out of here. I'll see you soon with what i think will be a pizza gate show with David Seaman we shall see but I've done my part today your move occult conjurers of Lucifer's tech and quarantiners of this island earth We're on to you and it's your fucking move Oh no You see The world isn't random, it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything A nine-to-five is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me

1:35:50 Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, the vast conspiracy There is such a difference between us And the Denver child Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done And they'll call out deception For the web that's been spawned Hollow from the higher side

1:36:48 The earth is hollow inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about Saturn? Have you heard about the real since the wrong? But know they're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens, it's no secret And at the bestest plug it's doubling your time

1:37:51 Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you something the elite have done And they'll call out deception on the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side Challenging your paradise And I'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won At the war, at the war, at the war Hello from a higher side

1:39:08 They're calling out a thousand times. They'll tell you something the elite have done, and they'll call out deception on the web that's been spun from the higher side! I'm challenging your paradigm And i'll tell you someday that the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won, that's the problem