Chris Knowles | The Synchromystic Mind, Foundational Figures, & Perfecting The Art

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05:40 Puppet masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there Beyond the read, thoroughly tested Every last close-shifted view Nonetheless Without DHC We know they're lying to us Just don't hold to our degree Without DHC The hearts I've just shown believe

06:24 Happy Dazer here again from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And though we take the reality of language for granted upon even the slightest reflection it is significantly strange that we've managed to match up chicken scratch squiggles with not only notions in our inner world but corresponding mouth sounds as well delivered without nearly the level of concentration one might think and understood almost instantaneously in real time to anyone paying attention The world is covered with communities that developed such systems and flourished under the commonly understood interpretation of meaning infused into organized strings of visual symbols and nuanced noises, as if organizing around some form of language is as natural as anything else we've done en masse.

07:08 And yet most people are quick to dismiss the idea that language could be a universal force as persistent as any other. Many forms of cosmic, natural or spiritual communication could also be happening all around us through more indirect means like archetypal symbols powerful dreams meaningful coincidence highly charged dates and potent places It might even be so baked into the deeper consciousness reality cake thus forgetting and even dismissing these things is more a reflection of our own atrophied abilities and nerfed senses than anything else. Today, our culture has more people speaking Klingon and Dothraki than we do those who understand the language of their own dreams astrological influences or winks and nudges from the other world

07:52 Well, some of my favorite people are those pattern recognizers who do have the eyes to see and ears to hear the strings of strangeness that weave throughout things like pop culture and real events or ancient pagan holidays in modern day ceremonies. The people often called the synchromystics And chief among them, my friend and yours, the great Chris Knowles has finally done what I've been hoping one of these masters of the art would do for years now... ...and actually written The Secret Sun Synchro-Mystic Handbook A detailed guide to honing your own synchromistic skills and getting better at reading the deeper language that might organize reality itself. Chris has been here many times before, often giving us a regularly scheduled Ritual State of the Union address, breaking down the elite's watcher worship, diagnosing the woke virus infection and walking us through many synchronistic threads he's detangled along the way

08:41 You can find his regularly scheduled programming at Secretsun.blogspot.com and the Secret Sun Institute for Advanced Synchromysticism via Patreon, as well as a wide range of great books...but let's get into it! The legitimizer of woo, the parser of pop culture patterns and decoder of cults, Chris Howthehellareyou? I'm doing great, Greg. That was quite an introduction! Ah, I try man but it's harder and harder every time i have a great returning guest to make it different and yet interesting But of course that intro was derived from a point you make in the book about how we already take for granted the written and spoken forms of language though they are actually kind of weird man, syncronous to some is somewhat of a language to just haven't really been taught to use it until now of course not only have a guidebook.

09:29 But it is often described as a decoding, which implies that communication of some kind. And I once described synchromysticism to a buddy of mine as a form of cultural scrying. I'm curious if you would endorse that description and of course give us your own definition. Cultural scrying is pretty good my basic elevated pitch for it is using the tools of dream interpretation on our so-called reality or so called waking reality using the same tools that you know, you'll get these dream books and so on. And I mean, I don't actually follow those books to be honest with you because if I'm the dreamer, I've got to figure out what the symbols mean to me personally...I am the author of this artwork why am i choosing these particular symbols or these particular actions or these particular events in this particular sequence? Well, the answer is in here okay

10:31 But with synchronicity and synchronisticism, we're dealing with a collective experience. So those personalized interpretations give way to the collective interpretation and the collective interpretation is how we choose... As you alluded to in the introduction, how we choose to use language, how we choose to define language, how we choose to remake language. Language is constantly being morphed bent out of shape and revised, and so on. And then of course we have this whole effort, this neo-Kamir Rouge or the Kamir Woke or whatever you want to call it, the sort of Neo Maoist effort to change our language and weaponize it against us. We learned about this in 1984 with George Orwell but

11:27 Language becomes a collective experience and, you know public events are processed by the collective. Film media music political events all these things are things that we experienced together so what we need to then do is go into a collective glossary let's just say a collective dictionary or encyclopedia and find out what is being said, how is it being said? What are the tools being used to put these messages across and just start breaking them down. And the reason I did The Sync Book because a lot of people do this and a lot of people have done this over the years. I mean, I sort of came up with what I call The Class of 2007 you had a lot of people doing sync work on Blogspot blogs

12:26 Most of those blogs are inactive now or very rarely updated. A lot of the people who were sort of leading lights of this small but incredibly potent and exciting sub-subculture have kind of dropped out, or drifted away I don't know if you had Alan Green on your show talking about the sync book back in the day. He published the sync book back in like 2010, there were two of them but I didn't want to get involved in it because I'm not really a big joiner, I'm sort of a lone wolf, I'm a ronine but the other problem is that I was familiar with some of the people that were being published and without casting aspersions or whatever they just didn't understand the basic concept of synchronicity

13:18 and they didn't understand how I define synchromysticism. I mean, I was doing synchronisticism back before you even had a name when i found out that this thing had a name that I'd been doing so I found out that it had a name like...I don't know about 2005 or so and I've already been doing it since the early 90s So I was like oh! That's what I'm doing Synchronisticism Oh okay And I actually got journaled I used to do this all by hand And I used to go to the library. Can you imagine in the pre-World Wide Web days? Oh, I gotta look something up while I gotta go to the library and learn how to use a card catalog and all these other things. So I've been doing this for a long time. To put it bluntly, things are just getting so weird with symbolism and ritual

14:08 And what I consider to being the plasticity of reality is starting to melt and warp a little bit. I mean, just a little bit but its process is only going to increase as we're more immersed in collective communications, as well more immersed in these large public spectacles and these public rituals, the award ceremony Super Bowls some of these fashion shows, I mean any number of things right? Political events. These things are gonna be more and more used for ritual purposes which ultimately really breaks down to a form of sympathetic magic where you're trying to either generate or manipulate synchronously. Right right...I've heard you say actually that you think a lot of the rituals are done out of fear

15:00 And they're coming at an increased pace and with more potency, more in your face. Hard to ignore symbolism because the elite are a little scared and that's a flip from what I hear usually it's that they're all powerful and i hate them just flexing because they got us by the nuts but talk about this other perspective that maybe there afraid that their abandoned by their gods and they're just desperately on their knees begging please help me Well, I've been tracking this for a while. Specifically back to June 1st 2016 with the Gothard Tunnel in Switzerland that whole big opening ritual that anybody with eyes just was like what am i looking at? What is this...I mean I did a huge breakdown on a live stream for it. It's all specific well-attested well documented ritual symbolism

16:00 By that I mean symbolism used specifically in ritual. Now, I'm thinking why are they doing this? And early 2017 we saw Beyoncé basically dressing as ISIS and doing the thing with a throne and the chair and her pregnant belly...and I'm like watching that and I'm thinking what is going on here?! And then Lady Gaga at the Super Bowl…I think things just started getting really explicit and really pointed and the symbolism became really unambiguous. And I'm sitting there going, that has to be a reason! Well what happened in 2016? You had Brexit, you had Trump, this nascent populist uprising which however serious you or I take it, I think a lot of people are terrified of it and take it very seriously. Hence this whole system that we've been seeing since Biden

17:04 Cabal came in with all the political prisoners and so on. So, the rituals get explicit in my estimation when there's a form of desperation and I've tied this back on your show before to OCD. So OCD ritualism comes from anxiety, it comes from like swaging anxiety. And I see the same thing with this public ritualism, with the Saweet Ritualism. I really do think that they're afraid...I mean what's going wrong now? Russian nuclear sub, zoom it around the coast of Florida. Saudi Arabia just dropped the dollar as the exclusive currency to trade oil in

17:45 This is a subset of conspiracy culture that infuriates me, to be quite frank. Because it's always like oh they're always in control, they always know what they're doing... If they fuck up over and over again, they're playing fourth dimensional chess it's just like no! No! These are just people you know what I mean? And in many ways these people are more fragile in the sense of fragile anti-fragile than we right? Because they've been so pampered their entire lives, and they're so terrified of just becoming ordinary people. That's the biggest terror I think is we just becoming ordinary. No, I'm serious!

18:26 This is something I observed a lot with a lot of these media people on Twitter, especially during the whole Trump derangement thing. And let me just say again, state for the record, I'm no fan of Trump at all. I'm not a Trump voter. I've never liked him. I am anxious to say the least that what's going to happen during the election and in So, I'm not sitting here like being a Q guy or boosting for Trump or whatever. The globalist project is failing and people go no they're just doing this BRICS thing and this is just going to be like that and all these wars are fake and they're all staged and everything's staged and it's just like alright stop

19:17 That's no different than the people who watch MSNBC or CNN or Fox and believe everything that they see. It's a same knee-jerk reaction But if you start to break down the symbolism, you start to understand what they're saying and then you can understand what they believe. And that's in me is in some weird way that's been sort of the greatest benefit for me doing this work is I've studied all this symbolism. I studied the history, I studied the mystery cults, I studied the occult, I studied the grimoires...I mean all these things over the years and I could instantly recognize when these things are being used

19:56 Now, here's the thing getting back to language. So symbols only make sense as a language if they're used in repeating combinations, repeating sequences and that's where pattern recognition comes in so if you want to understand how our language is being constructed, you've got to learn the patterns... What are the assignments? What do these words mean? How are they being used? Who was using them on and on and on? In a very strange way, my rededication to synchronicism which I kind of been falling away to be honest with you like the mid 2010s because it was a lot of work. I was having a lot of health problems. It was just too much for me but interestingly enough like the more obvious that gets with all this crazy ritualism, the more the synchronistic process seems

20:56 arrives. I mean, it's almost kind of like a paradox in some ways because these people are clearly trying to generate and manipulate synchronicity but there's always the blowback that things are happening that weren't in the battle plan. There's the whole idea of like the battle plan goes away once you meet the enemy on the fields and I think there's the same phenomenon here. So basically, just to boil it all down and address your question these people are not I don't even think they're particularly bright to be honest with you no i'm not kidding i know i know all the smart people like trying to trade crypto or the bright people are doing nuts and bolts things that make your money and the other people the people at davos and tedx and ted

21:53 all these just boring convocations of mediocritons, they're just not that bright. You know? They're like LARPing elitism... Well you know in the past 30 years we've really modeled our educational system on like the Japanese Asian model where it's just like tons and tons of information that you need to memorize, you know what I mean constantly being tested There is obviously a huge indoctrination thing, but it's really just entrainment. It's not education anymore, it's entrainment. Yeah absolutely! And we're seeing

22:32 I've said this on your show before, but now people are catching on like the loss of expertise and the fact that we have this entire new generation that all these extremely liberal millennial teachers are freaking out about 24 hours a day on TikTok. It's like these kids don't listen! They can't read! They have no skills! They don't know what to do! They can't sit still for a minute because they need constant hyper stimulation." Well, that's part of the process cultural degeneration. And I think that all these machines, all this technology is so brand new and this ties back...I mean we can have a whole different discussion on Lucifix technology and stuff but it's almost like giving children guns and coke and Porsches and Ferraris and hoping that everything works out for the best

23:26 But, you know it's being done on us. It's being done on the culture and we've discussed this many times that the general trends are all going in a downward direction Yes great points all around let me bring you back to the book and this section about the history of synchro mystics because. When i discovered some of the people who you mentioned there like james shelby down or richard hoagland dark mission work or david flynn, they really blew my mind and it is that kind of content always seeking my job is defined interesting people interview

24:05 I look for synchro mystics primarily and then have to settle for everything else. And there's just some really interesting stuff there, of course as you say most of the blogs are abandoned a lot of these guys are dead now but talk to us about the history of synchronistic ism as an art form and some of the most interesting work you found along the way Well, synchronicism I think not only predates the term. Like I said, I was doing it over 30 years ago before I even knew there was a term for it but it kind of goes back in a lot of ways to Jung's concepts as synchronicity and then the work... You know, the book that I've cited on many occasion Man into Symbols, that was the book that started my whole synchronistic journey

24:57 It wasn't until the mid-90s that I read King Kill. And actually, it came about because Jonathan Vankin had released The 60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time which was sort of a revised edition of The 50 Greatest Conspiracies Of All Time and he had this whole chapter on King Kill and Downard and so on And I was really interested in it because I was like, yeah this guy's just doing Jung wrong. You know, Downard is an interesting case. King Kill sort of came out of this little circle you had people like Loren Coleman and Michael Hoffman and Jim Brandon aka William Grimstead and also Downard. This is in the wake of Watergate Vietnam

25:51 this whole period in the early 70s when things were getting really kind of weird. I think you also had all the stuff going on at SRI with remote viewing, and you sort of had the tail end of the hippie LSD era, but you also had the rise of cults. You know all these cults were enormous, enormous. The Monies, Jim Jones, TM, the Jesus people—all these cults were huge! And I was very young at that time but that really sort of informed my experience in the world

26:27 But they were doing this stuff, and it wasn't until much later. I think the original King Kill was published in 1985? What did I say in the book? I'm not sure i wrote down some of the details but for people who don't know what can kill thirty three is a lot of people do but james shell would be down or basically looked in insane detail at the JFK motorcade and said that it was going through a path that was the cabalistic tree of life even cited some other foliage and bushes. On the path as being significant and symbolically potent to the whole ritual and of course dallas is on the thirty third parallel so he did all this work basically saying that jfk wasn't just shot it was a meticulously detailed ritual from the whole path of the motorcade.

27:20 To things that are on the path to it being on thirty third parallel and this is all though he so terry potency that really made a pop and. That was mind blowing to me at the time when i first read that and its not short piece of work it's very long manifesto that really breaks it all down but, that is some really great synchronous dick work entertaining but you say who was doing young wrong perhaps Well, there's a couple problems with Downer. First of all it's the same thing with a lot of people who do astrotheology and discount the whole idea of ritual okay? So people will look at stellar or solar symbolism in religion religious texts and so on say oh well it's all just this stuff about the stars and it's like wait why you know why would they dedicate their lives to just the movements are the stars that doesn't make any sense

28:17 Well, it's because they sync their rituals and their stories to the stars. Gordon said we put our stories in the stars because really what you're just looking at is a bunch of random dots in the sky! You know what I mean? Constellations are completely imaginary constructions So, with Downard- I mean here's a problem. Dealey Plaza is not on the 33rd parallel. It's on the 32nd parallel. 32 point seven? No it's actually... 32 minutes and 46 seconds. Fair! Alright. There's so much of this in King Kill 33. And I didn't even realize it until I really started breaking down, it was like, well wait... It's sort of the horseshoe and hand grenades approach to synchronicism. Now the thing is that this came out at a time when he was a brand new thing and plus he's working in the era before the internet. So he has to go to library to read all this stuff or going into these clipping services with newspapers and so on

29:17 So I understand what it was. It's just like, when you have to really work to get these connections, you are married to each one! You know what I mean? You cling them close to your bosom because you had a fight for these things but a lot of what he talks about... Like I said there's this whole idea of approximation that I think weakens the argument and B, the whole idea of synchronistic emanations so it's like, I think the basic premise of King Kill is sound at its basic core. But the thing is, you weaken your arguments A with the approximations and B would like a lot of these smaller what I call guppies in the book but also this whole idea of when you throw a rock into the middle of a pond it ripples out

30:14 things start to change. I mean, you know when you have a major public trauma like that there are going to be reactions because the world is a living system and information is a living system and language isn't living system these things are all alive because they're all part of creation they're all part of this holistic system that were operating in. No one is independent, no one was raised by wolves and I mean we're not immune to all these things going on because they're part of our environment, they are part of our reality so that is my problem with Downard is that he just didn't have the tools or I think in some ways the intellectual sophistication to really drive it home but as I said

31:13 To me, only an idiot thinks that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK with this pump action mail order rifle that he got. It's so obvious that there was a conspiracy that there were shooters not at the DLA book depository. There is a lot of Masonic symbolism as well. For instance AT&T Antichrist Telephone and Telegraph, as Henry Milley used to call them. I mean they moved that big giant statue of Mithras Phanus that used to be down the street from me in all places right near Dealey Plaza so they're obviously trying to charge that energy you know? This is all a cult in the true sense not in sort of vernacular sense this is all like people trying to deal with these hidden powers these

32:09 subtle powers and so on, and using symbol as a synchronicity to do so. Yeah, and I agree that some of the details aren't great if you really wanted to make the devil's advocate argument. You could say well the thing about the 32 degree Freemasons in the 33rd is like this kind of amorphous airy degree that no one's quite sure if it's real so like anything in between 32 and 33 as good just like the Vegas shooting people say oh what happened on the 30 second floor but thirty third if you count the lobby And it's again that like interplay with like are the Freemasons fucking with us? But when I was young and I heard about this.

32:50 Even if he's only right about a couple of points it was the first time i ever thought wow like something could be structured so specifically and with the ritual purpose and. It made me think magic was real you know that they maybe got this to actually work because of some of the attention to detail but i want also ask you about david flynn another guy who is big back in the day dead now more obscure than downer for sure and I have as i showed you i have this big collection here and i've gotten into some of that is presentations are very compelling he's way more christian but it's a christian. Lens that for some reason i can tolerate because he talks about cyclical cataclysm sand mars in the sydonia region and he talks about the,

33:39 Apple in the adam and eve story actually being a quince because it's a fruit that grows in that region when you cut it half it does form a pentagram with its seeds much like an apple so he thinks thats the truth things like that really kinda got my mind working in a new way and I loved it but what are your thoughts on david flint work anything resonate with you that he put out there Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean, I was into his stuff when he was posting it on Usenet back a million years ago. Well, this is maybe a bit of sidebar—we can get back to the core of Flint's work but I just want to bring this up while it's fresh in my mind—David Flynn is really responsible ultimately for The Secret Son

34:27 And I'll tell you why. Because he did this, if you go on archive.org, you can still find it in the Wayback Machine. He did a thing called having Mulder's baby when X-Files was obviously much bigger back then and a lot of people on Alt Conspiracy and these other sites were watching it very closely. So this whole thing when Mulder is abducted and Scully is pregnant, he was tying into the whole ISIS and Osiris thing right? And he sort of put it out there and he just basically did this placeholder webpage, the basic bullet points of his argument. But he never finished it. He never elaborated on it." I was like, dude come on! Let's go! What are you talking about? So basically after a couple years, I just decided that I was going to do it myself so I went in and

35:22 I really did it like hardcore and I put it up on my old Secret Sun website, which was mostly my art site. You know, my personal business site and I sent it to one of the producers, one of the executive producers at The X-Files and he put it up on his blog. And he's like oh you know I can't say this is all intentional, so little weasel words there But you know, it's fascinating nonetheless. It's obviously a touch over because Chris Carter has just been doing this his whole career putting in all this mythological symbolism but people have been doing that forever haven't they? You know what I mean every storyteller sort of been drawing on the classics right so basically what i did is I went and I just really went in with a fine-toothed comb and really picked it apart and put that up and I got a really big reaction to

36:12 And that inspired me to do the project that became Our God's Worst Bandits. So I mean, I kind of do owe it all to David Flynn and we had some contact on Facebook before he passed away. He passed away in 2012 oddly enough because he was really big into the whole 2012 thing. We had like a very cordial exchange. He was clearly ill, clearly very ill. He had brain cancer which is horrible particularly for a guy that intelligent. He was also a musical prodigy, his work and the stuff later that Hoagland did on Enterprise Mission was the stuff that really blew my mind. So King Kill 33 was like my first initiation into this netherworld but it was really David Flynn and then later Hoagland I don't know if it was Richard himself that did all that stuff? I think he might have had somebody working with him

37:12 Yeah, he did. Mike Barra I believe if you look at Dark Mission his seminal text it's actually co-authored by Mike Barra whose work i enjoy a lot less these days especially through COVID and some of the things he was saying but who knows what Richard would have said about that too everybody has their uh expertise we should say and maybe they don't pass every test well I'm friends with Richard and I've been keeping him pretty steady contact with him over the years. I did his show a number of times, which was Like an ordeal, because it's like three hours. Ordeal is a perfect term I had him here and he's just very combative and everything is like got this kind of rough energy to it but I kinda liked that about like an old gruff guy who was like kinda...I've heard at all halfway through my question he's gonna be like well what you're trying to say is this? And I'm just like dude chill out! He doesn't let you talk no I love Richard what she sees when you get

38:16 He's a very honest and genuine character, whether you agree with him or not. I like characters and characters usually have quirks. He is bigger than life! Yeah he is bigger than life in the smaller-than-life world there's no room for bigger-than-life characters anymore right so if we were going to bring up David Flynn again for people who have not heard his work Is there anything that stands out to you as like oh he made a really interesting point about X Y Z that I'd never heard before What did you think about his arguments or his material? Well, I mean that's like a whole show in and of itself. His stuff got super granular and he really got into the weeds deep. And sometimes to be honest with you, he would lose me a lot when I got that book The David Flynn Collection but the Sidonia stuff is really interesting too because I sort of drew on this Sidonia stuff when I did The Lucifer's Technology Series okay

39:13 But the whole idea where they call this area Cydonia and then the Cydonians who are the Phoenicians, you know what I'm talking about there right? Tanner Iskra Elaborate a little bit more if you can. David Okay so, Cydonia c-y-d-o-n-i-a okay which is actually named after an island in Greece... You know somewhere in Greece right but it also has like a double meaning you know what they call a hononymic meaning where its the same word pronounced as Sidonian, S-I-D-O-N-I-A-N. Which is another term for Phoenicians aka Carthaginians aka Canaanites on and on and on you know this other group in the Levant you know the Baal worshippers and so on... You know both the Phoenicians and the Hebrews sort of came out of this prototype Canaanite civilization right?

40:10 you know, he thought that was very interesting. And that sort of to me played into the whole idea of placing these stories in the stars and also the five-sided pyramid aligning with fruitive knowledge right? The quids... So there's a lot of like I said it's very granular and it relies quite frankly on illustration and imagery, showing like okay here's this image. Here's how it aligns with this and stuff... I mean his books are very lavishly illustrated but that whole idea of taking the space ritualism that people like Richard had already started to talk about and you saw a lot about on conspiracy newsgroups and so on and taking it a step further into Mars and this whole idea

41:03 planetary exploration which will never happen. I'm sorry, nobody's ever going to Mars buddy! Never! Certainly not you! But you do believe that they once were there right? Because the Cydonia region as far as we know it's hard to verify that there is a pyramid and tower and face in this But there does seem to be some unnatural intelligently designed structures which implies that maybe we were there at some point or a faction came here. I mean this is the premise that even Richard sometimes is working with, who built that stuff? Or is that stuff even real if we can't get through the Van Allen belt how did it happen at one time?

41:50 I don't know. You tell me... What's your take? Did it not? Depends what time of day you ask, brother. It's something that I'm kind of all over the place on. Like I said, it could just be a giant space ritual but if those things are real and those things are there and those things are truly artificial…I'm talking about like the pyramid and face on Mars and so forth… They weren't built by humans okay they were built something else. And interestingly, as we're talking today there was this big story that made all the wires about Harvard University claiming that there's an alien race living on the planet unbeknownst to us you know what I'm saying? So it seems like we're being conditioned for something. The Nephilim or whatever...I mean did you see the film Mission of Mars, the Disney film? Years ago yeah yeah okay so

42:50 Richard was very upset about that show because there were a lot of his ideas that they just... I mean, Hollywood just steals everything. But they kind of stole his ideas without attribution and so on but that film was actually co-sponsored by NASA. So it was clearly like they wanted to put across this whole mythology or alternate history however you choose to define it of these giant creatures who lived on the earth and there was a cataclysm of some sort and they came to the Earth, and they seeded the Earth with you know, the whole directed panspermia idea. I don't know... And I literally mean out of nowhere! I'm not saying-I don't think so. You know when people say that they really mean it but I don't think so. But I don't know unfortunately 13 seasons of Ancient Aliens have

43:47 kind of made all these questions extremely stupid to ask, you know? They kind of poisoned the well for that kind of speculation. I agree but i like the idea that the quarantine on the earth, the Van Allen radiation belt...that didn't have to always be in place and there's a narrative that a really destructive war-like Race from the war planet did something so catastrophic and then some remnants came here that. Something else put a quarantine around earth and said well you're not going anywhere else and if there's other beans down on earth in their stuff there too, and we might be living within a container with something else that decided well if we can't get off this rock than i guess will just take it over and then that ties into your

44:34 reptilian stuff, and you're where are the UFOs really at? Are they underground or are they really from space?" Dude here's the thing. I'm glad you brought that up because this is something we're going so far afield in the book but that's okay because it all plays in because synchronicism is all developing right most of the earth is just empty okay there's no one there 95% of the human race is clustered around these strategic waterways, you know what I mean? And just take a plane ride across country. Once you hit the mountain areas and they start going like say you're going to Los Angeles it looks like God damn Mars for three hours! You look down like when am i gonna see a tree?! It's like this barren godforsaken desert

45:30 I look at most of Canada, 95%, 100% or however many proportion of the population lives within 50 miles of the United States border. This whole idea overpopulation is absurd. We cover it to any degree of density let's say... Any degree Maybe a little less than 5% of the Earth's surface, which is only 29% of the total surface because the rest of it is water. And then you have the oceans and then they go down for miles, and we have no idea. Stuff is washing up all the time that we're like what the hell is that? We've never seen nothing before! And it was like oh don't worry about it's a squirrel. That's a decomposing raccoon or something. Yeah yeah yeah something stupid like that. So there's constantly stuff going on I had this conversation-I might have told you about it before but

46:28 We're driving up to New York through way. So we're literally like maybe an hour, an hour and a half away from New York City the most densely populated city in the United States right? We're driving up and this is nothing but trees and hills And I said, you know, look at over there. There could be a family of Bigfoot on the side of the road there and we wouldn't have any clue because this wall of brambles that is just impenetrable." You know what I mean? They blasted their way to build this throughway but nobody's ever been there! Nobody's ever walked in these areas. I mean Lloyd Pike cited statistics saying that only 25% of the North American landmass has ever been foot-surveyed

47:13 I believe that. Yeah, you know what i mean? And so they always get satellites now yeah well whatever satellites are they don't get through the trees like i've lived everywhere pacific northwest totally open space and then of course the desert as you say there's entire state lengths where there's basically not a tree the midwest where i grew up plenty of open space i just spent last weekend in kentucky on a bourbon bachelor party, and you drive through Kentucky. There's plenty of space! So you've got all these regions, all corners except the New England area has massive amounts of open space. Lotta places to hide things, lotta places to hide the Martian civilization... There was a lot of open space up in New England, so, blimey. But it just kinda reminds me

48:06 Talking about synchronicity or synchronism, Delane Maxwell being arrested on World UFO Day. Everybody thought she was beneath a glacier or something in a submarine or she was in Abu Dhabi or wherever and she was in friggin new york kevin spacey didn't even know or even though he sits on the queen's throne with her i mean he is doing his redemption to that's another thing you got right i remember you saying that kevin spacey would be back and i was like no he's buried this is too bad And yet three of the four witnesses die in a year and then he goes on his podcast tour and every podcaster says the same thing cuz they know how hot topic is they start with my well i believe in due process.

48:53 And he's never been convicted. It's hard to convict a motherfucker when all of his victims are dead! Yeah, he's the real life Lex Luthor. You know talk about quints right? So what are those witnesses against Spacey died in Quincy Center? Quince-E center you know so it's funny because when I saw that That's like where the secret mysticism comes in, you know? Because I used to work in that same neighborhood literally across the street from where that person got hit by a car. And I'm familiar with sort of the weirdness of it...I don't know if it's still there but there was a big Masonic lodge with these gold doors and all this Egyptian stuff

49:35 So, when I heard that, I was like yeah there you go. But that gets a little obscure and into the weeds as far as synchronistic symbolism goes but it was the symbolism around him that really... You know we're not psychic, you know? I'm not clairvoyant, I can't see the future! I just see the patterns and I recognize that when pattern start to repeat things happen in certain way It is like a language. When you see symbols or events, or symbolic events however you want to put it acting in certain sequences, you can extrapolate from that. You know what I mean? You can start to extrapolate well okay if this is happening now

50:19 XX and X are gonna probably happen, you know. You never wanna be 100%, but it's just like... It's a high probability that these things are gonna happen." So when I was looking at it, and I did a number of posts on The Secret Son about Spacey. When I was looking at all this, I'm like, yeah, this dude is gonna win! He's gonna win this! Well let me ask you this. Let's put in this context. So you have Kevin Spacey then you have Aditi. And did he right now i mean he strikes me as a asset of the intelligence agencies that is being discarded. Add you know your time is up buddy you served us well but now we're gonna bury your ass and we're gonna read your house just to get all the sensitive data out of it so that we know we can put you in the grave appropriately and then you have spacey what is, the language when you look at these two figures that are kind of in the same mill you

51:13 Why is the symbolism around spacey different than diddy and what's your assessment of the comparison and contrasting of these two figures, why one will come out clean in one will probably be buried under the weight. Of his own bullshit well i can read spacey and spaces but a guy who's always been like at the margins he's the guy when you go to a party was sort of circle the congregation of people and watch them, and really analyze them and look for their weaknesses. And look for their foibles and so on." Did he put bluntly got his burn notice? It's like a perpetual... He is somebody who is way on the inside in with Obama all these major name rappers and so on but also a lot of people outside of the music industry

52:05 and his parties, which became notorious. He knew too much. He knows too much." And I will say that there's probably not a huge amount of difference between what they do in Aditi and what they did to Keith Ranieri and Epstein and Galen, John McAfee in some regards... There are just certain people who get to know too much And they're a problem that needs to be solved because they get too much and they start to get too big for their britches. They start to think, oh well I'm going to do what I want now and you know, I think I'm gonna squeeze this guy from money, I'm gonna squeeze this guy for money... It's just been pretty well known and it's known now that Diddy was having these parties not just because he's such a ball of evolve but he was filming these things

52:55 It's a honey trap, the same deal with that Steve. Much like the Playboy mansion of rap basically! Yeah exactly I mean people need to ask why are you being so nice to me? You know it should always get your hackles up like why are you being so nice to be oh you want me to come to your party at your big penthouse and there'll be all these depending on which party it was would be all these men or all these women depending on the mood I guess did he was in at the time and all the blow you can do, and champagne, blah blah blah. Well what's in it for you? We need to get back to some basic old school Yankee common sense in some ways I think

53:39 What do you think about the John Potash argument that a lot of this is done because in the 60s and 70s, you did have artists using their platform to come out against the system, come out against the war. And now you don't. You never hear an artist really talk about anything but how bad climate change is and how we really gotta stop Russia and how we have to support Israel? You can get that done with compromising material you show someone video of them bucking on anybody on blow and did his mansion or the playboy man should you say just keep your mouth shut about this issue. And i think that they saw in the sixties,

54:24 how it could have gotten away from them. I think they did a good job of keeping a lid on it, but you don't have any anti-war songs today. You don't have any anti establishment anything today because to get the platform means your compromised and you can't use it for those purposes. Yeah anybody who deals with like Live Nation or major record labels are any these major corporations is completely controlled this isn't like some sort of conspiracy theory. I mean, just run the numbers and you see a lot of artists who either dropped out or tried to drop out talking about just how brutal it is. They steal all your money and the difference today between being

55:12 a big name rapper, I mean who are even the big name rappers? Are there any left these days?" But between being a million-selling rapper with a platform and being a SoundCloud rapper. There's this little thin filament between those two worlds but if you're on one side of the wall you've got it all if you're on the other side of the wall nothing Now, you get it all but it doesn't belong to you. You're renting everything and the price tag is really steep and it's getting worse and worse and worse. I mean once all these big name older acts some of the Boomer and Gen X and some of the big name draws start to die off quite frankly there's going to be nobody to replace them. I mean you might have maybe like a Billy Eilish or Taylor Swift or something

56:13 But it's nothing like a summer you'd have The Stones and The Who and Led Zeppelin, Billy Joel. All these huge acts that were filling stadiums... That's over! And that's over because the record companies and Live Nation and all these other organizations' greedy entities destroyed it. Like I said, which side of that thin membrane do you want to be on? Once the ride's over, you're left with nothing. But at least you got a chance to take the ride." Right? Yeah. And if you're on the SoundCloud wrapper side, you're lucky if you work in McDonalds. So this kind of polarization that we see so often and so many spheres is always advantageous to the haves and not to the have-nots. When you polarize things when you make the choices so stark

57:08 the people who hold all the cards are always gonna win. But getting back to the whole ritual thing, circling back because this really ties into like all these insane ritual presentations that we see particularly at the VMA and MTV awards particularly at all these musical awards, but also the Toys and Oscars and Emmys. And so when you just see all this really blatant... A lot of it is grotesque too like bloody and satanic and flames and horrible and everything like that. I think that really is about trying to

57:47 whether just a pure ritual, whether they have this whole idea of like this is all awakening parts of the psyche and the will and so on. Or it's like we are appeasing their gods whatever in the end it doesn't really make any difference I think that's a lot because things just become so stark and even the people in the corner offices know that they can just lose everything if they pissed the wrong person off, or even maybe if they didn't just because it's their time to get the axe. I mean whatever... It becomes almost like very pagan. It really is almost like a form of human sacrifice because once you're out, you have nothing. Once you lose your access to those worlds, it's over and I think that obviously, just through common sense creates a very high degree of anxiety amongst these people hence

58:41 The ritual is and i think to bring it back to the spacey diddy example you're right about spacey being kind of a background watcher maki valiant character. And who's down with the dirty stuff to you know the story goes that chris tucker was on that plane as well and chris tucker never seen him again he got his cross on and his santa mary is going to church every sunday because it probably broken a little bit where spacey seems. Down for whatever and you're right did he put himself in the center and you can only be in the center so long before. Your time is up and before we run out of time this first hour,

59:24 I wanted to make this point because it just gives you props for being so good at what you do but you have a section in the book where your layout again that the elite secret religion is not satanism. But so many conspiracy researchers are either stuck in the christian paradigm or just haven't done the work to understand the ancient religions and deities these people have kept in service too, you make a good point that there's plenty of old gods let you do whatever depraved behavior u want and The symbols are a lot more obscure than Satan, like Mithras as we've talked about. And in a previous interview we covered your decoding of the last Olympics mascot this white spirit essentially that they made all this weird content about where he's taking people into other dimensions and it has nothing to do with running fast or shot putting or whatever the fuck they do but this new mascot is very on-the-nose for Mithras isn't it?

1:00:22 Oh yeah, the Paris 2024, the Phrygian cap. Now here's the thing every time I bring this up people are like oh well you don't understand this is a symbol of liberty and so on and so forth okay well let's look at the timeline all right The fridging cap was around. For people who don't know, it is the red cap that you see almost like a sock cap not fitting on top of the head. It's the Smurf Cap? The Smurf Cap yes for the visual reference and that's basically...the new mascot is just that folded up hat! Yeah and obviously France is under enormous amount of pressure because all their pseudo colonies

1:01:05 in Africa are kicking them out. People don't realize that France has kept, of all the European powers kept a major presence in Central Africa and a lot of their tribute let's just say comes from like these countries had or have to trade in francs and so on even though the French themselves use Europe but now they're using the Mithras cap as... before that World Cup mascot you talk about, was one of those — what are those things called? The Saudi hat.

1:01:46 Yeah, the traditional Arab headgear. But it was flying like a watcher and so on like that. Because who doesn't watch a soccer game and think about really wanting to escape to another dimension? It's just so boring! Right? Anyhow... yeah, now it's the cap but without getting too deep into the weeds. France is in a very tenuous state, particularly with Africa and Ukraine so they're obviously having a great deal of national anxiety at least in their rulership class. So that's when you appeal to Mithras! That's when you appeal to these old gods, right? You ask the old gods for blessings

1:02:30 But in order to do that, you have to get their attention. And you have to get their attention by calling out their names or like... So now we're going to see all these little Mithras caps all over the place and we're gonna see them on T-shirts and on banners posters, and you're going to see these posters all over Paris and all this kind of nonsense. It's pretty explicit. Everybody knows that's Mary Ann, that's Liberty... Yeah! That doesn't go back any further than the French Revolution which was 100% Masonic. And these Freemasons were using the symbol of Mithras because that was sort of in earlier days of, well we need our own Christ so we're gonna make Mithras our Christ

1:03:11 And that's when we started to see the Liberty cap used everywhere, even though it has no real historic attestation for being identified with that. It was made famous in 1st century BC up till at least the 3rd century AD because of Mithras But also, gods that I would argue are connected because Mithras is very much a composite character. You know, gods like Attis... Attis was very well known for his Mithraic cap and they wanted the original Statue of Liberty not to be wearing the Mithraic Helios crown there but to be wearing

1:03:54 A phrygian cap. I think that would look really stupid, but... Yeah and there's always an official answer. That's what gets me so riled up sometimes is you'll go do the deeper dive and you'll find out the read between the lines answer and people say well no it's this other thing. And it's like well yeah they gave you an answer that doesn't mean its right. It's like the swamp gas answer or the pancake theory. You can look at 9-11 and be like huh? That looks really odd And then CNN says, well it's because of the pancake theory. They were built so that they would fall into their own footprint and people just say oh okay because you need some answer. It can be literally anything but if you leave it open-ended then people start to wonder and ask questions but as long as they get an answer they're pretty much satisfied. Yeah well I think it's an excuse and see this is another thing that's kind of bring this whole house of cards down

1:04:50 is that a lot of people will go along with these explanations out of fear, not out of reason. They haven't thought about these stupid NASA lower landing excuses... Oh we lost all the telemetry! We just lost it you know? The greatest achievement in human history and oh gosh you know, we must have erased it so we could put our Steely Dan records on those reel-to-reels or something I mean this absolute foolishness just ridiculous But people are afraid to go again. I mean, most people support power not necessarily out of love or art of conviction but out of fear and if you can play into people's fear, you can get them to do almost anything and you can get them to agree the most anything in all these ridiculous excuses that you mentioned, people are basically terrified into accepting

1:05:50 Yeah i agree and the thing people say now when it comes to the moon landings as they say well. I was on the fence about that but then i saw china's footage and you can see the thing there on the moon and its like okay, Well you also know that all the major not even major i think all the space agencies use the same symbolism in their logo, you think if they can coordinate that maybe they could coordinate something else to perpetuate some money to keep coming and it's the biggest scam. That we have going on there is a lot of competition for that but the space scam is raking in a lot of money for just doing very little

1:06:30 Well, I've always argued that it's... well, haven't always argued but in the past few years I've come to the realization that NASA is just basically a missile testing program. I saw that Chinese stuff and Indian stuff and thought this is terrible CGI! Now this is how a lot of these scams are going to start to fall apart though. Yeah sure we got AGI coming up right? AI, red rings and so on… I don't know if that's ever going to be shit to purpose, but I just saw all that stuff that you're talking about. Who could possibly believe this stuff? And it was the Indians who presented some of this footage—no, it was the Chinese! They presented some of this footage as real

1:07:20 And then you saw community notes on Twitter saying, oh well it's not real. It's a computer simulation that they added in for training purposes or something... It's just like shut up! Gut busted, just admit it. Just cop to it. Well I obviously don't want to keep you all day but it is always fun to talk to you and I always learn more every time and I'm glad you got the handbook out. Companion to anyone who wants to try to take on the hefty hefty undertaking of becoming a synchro mystic in their own right but tell people what else you got going on i know astros is coming back around and all this one's an alanoa i might actually make it i don't wanna say anything too early but im, it's in the works i need to go back to illinois and missouri soon anyway i'd love to see ya so i asked your nosis.

1:08:15 I'm going to be doing a presentation on the Sibylline books. I know you had him, I'm on Hillman on your show recently. I was going to ask you about that we kind of ran out of time but yeah, you did three hours with Hillman in December that I just realized today so anyone who didn't get enough Hillman from me go check out The Secret Son because Chris talked for three hours and he's as controversial as ever yes well he is a trip I'll put this very clearly is that, I've had some trouble confirming some of his claims about certain practices. But maybe I just don't have access to the same materials that he has." I was really trying to nail him down on the whole civil stuff but he was being a bit evasive because you really want to talk about Jesus and the garden in Gethsemane and all that kind of stuff

1:09:10 Right. The boy in the loincloth! Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Listen I think the guy is a trip. Another character? He's kind of like a little bit larger than life character but i'm not really sold let's just say on his claims but We'll see how it goes. But that was fun, we had a lot of fun because he's fun! He's a bit high on his own supply but you know, he's a lot of fun. We didn't venture into some territory that got you in trouble with some people. I tried to sort of steer him away and every time he started moving, gravitating towards us, I was like hey let's talk about this now! A little bit of moderation as they say

1:09:58 Yeah, so I'm going to be talking about the Sibylline Books. I know that Gnostic Informant has done some work on the Sybilline Books recently. That is a really fascinating and completely…that's like a lot—people talk about Da Vinci Code kind of stuff and it's like whatever you know? The Sybilline books are the real deal! That's the real suppressed mystery in the history not only of Christianity but also Judaism as well as, you know late Roman paganism. There's definitely a story there that needs to be explored in Sybils really fascinating phenomenon that I'm going to present it on and I'll talk about Philip K Dick and then I might talk about President Sybil a little bit as well gonna try sort of steer away from that you know i don't want to bore people but yeah so the secret was the can book

1:10:53 It is an introductory text, it's a manual. It's a user's manual. If you want to learn how to use synchronicity well and properly in my estimation this is the way it is... It's called The Handbook for a reason because it is a handbook, it's a manual, it's an instruction manual and I want people to really understand that and specifically was extremely hard on myself about staying concise and to the point so I could have it fit into a book that you can fit into your pocket. You know, I want people to carry this book around with them because I personally believe and I've been seeing is that all this kind of crazy synchronicity stuff there's only going to become more noticeable and more prevalent in people's lives

1:11:43 not only on the collective end of things, but also in your personal lives. So I just want you to be cognizant and aware of that there's something fundamental is changing. You know, I call it the shimmer right? But something fundamentalist is shifting... People talk about the Mandela effect and so on people talk about the simulation all these kind of things people are noticing that at least the way we perceive reality is changing collectively And that's one of the reasons I wanted to put out this book because in synchronicity is such a large part of this, I want you to spell out ways that you can work with synchronicity and stay sane. That's really my goal is that I've seen people... People think oh it's just a game, it's just so since there's a parlor trick whatever. I've seen people just like go off the deep end with synchronicity

1:12:35 over the past 17 years. I mean, I've been doing this for 17 years now and seen a lot of people lose it and I want to do whatever I can to help keep those people on a relatively even keel. Well, I think that's a noble goal! And I look forward to the next time we talk maybe it will be in person but cheers to the mission of making synchromysticism a legit form of woo secretsun.blogspot.com Secret Sun Institute of Advanced Synchromysticism through Patreon, very active. I know a lot about the Patreons because a lot of my guests have them yours is one of the most active ones out there i'm not surprised by that but it is uh a lot of bang for your buck so very cool thanks again for taking the time and i will catch you in the future awesome greg thanks for having me on

1:13:32 All right, there we go. What can I say? We love Chris Knowles around here. Definitely someone who is up on our Mount Crushmore to use a Sam Tripoli phrase and it's great that he has a handbook out now for others to try to hone their synchromistic skills It was nice to go over some of the history of the practice and even net a few names that might be future guests I'm sorry about that annoying static. I think he was using a wireless headset and i'm not sure if the signal was having problems or the battery was low it's one of those types of noises that comes and goes so quickly, That is hard to address And doesn't really feel worth addressing You just don't know if its done or not Then you're looking back thinking man that static popped up alot didn't it? Ugh...you know im all torn up about it

1:14:23 Lot of good stuff. I am glad we fit in that Hillman commentary towards the end He's not a synchromystic, but he fits in with some of the other characters We discussed and I do wish we could just get back to picking the brain of interesting researchers That are convinced of some really wild conclusions Rather than going through every person and making sure they check every box on our conspiracy aptitude test And I guess we can, right? It's really my call. I'm the boss man and...I am the one who knocks but it is just something that clearly bothers a lot of folks But I had a good time talking to Chris again as I always do Definitely check out some James Shelby Downard if you're curious He actually had a crazy presentation that covered CERN and pyramids and all sorts of stuff called Serious Rising

1:15:16 It had to be the early 2000s, not a lot of people talking about CERN at the time. And I believe it's kind of hard to find actually For awhile you could send $15 to a P.O box and the CD would just come back and that's how i got my copy and I had it for a long time then I woke up one day and realized I have no more CD players in my life now I don't know where is You might be able to find on a torrent website...you might be able to find on YouTube but its hard to say David Flynn though, lots of his presentations are still online. Another guy worth looking into if you like a more biblical perspective that involves Mars and magic and some kind of scientific parsing of the biblical texts? A perspective similar to Anthony Patch comes to mind

1:16:06 So on top of some tips we also got to talk about the work of people who are no longer here that I won't ever be able to interview and that's a nice thing in my mind you get to. Get some other work on the record a little bit even if it's ever so briefly, I've got such a huge list of books. I want to get to from authors that are no longer alive, that I've actually considered making one of the shows a month an episode with no guests where I just do a deep dive on one of these particular books and kind of summarize it and talk about where it is strong and where it might be weak kinda interview myself about it. I don't know. It's just a thought I've had lately. Why should we limit our material to the living?

1:16:52 Anyway, I tried to fit in some of the most major events of this year To break down a little bit. The Spacey comeback tour The Watcher worship again with this year's Olympics mascot after the World Cup won In the second hour, we really got the ball rolling on that kind of stuff. The creepy Crimson King Charles portrait... We talked about Liz Frazier of course and what she might know about her ability Why synchronicity and synchronisticism doesn't work well with saved searches and computer tech And killing the spark of synchronicity in Google AI We compared synchromysticism to other forms of woo, we talked MyLabs and dream penetration technology. The Playboy Mansion honeypot and science and sorcery! Obviously the full two-hour show is always better with more those sweet sweet conspiracy nuggets were all mine for sign up at the top of your show notes and treat yourself but Chris is always one of the best for me I'm sure I'm not alone if you have an interest in honing your abilities

1:17:55 When it comes to seeing the world in a synchromistic way, get The Handbook. He's got several great mental filtering mechanisms and questions you can ask yourself to unlock new threads to whatever you're unpacking Sometimes with this sort of stuff It's really wild because you'll find one thing and then think well I wonder if this person's background has anything in it And before you even load the page You already know it's full of what you expect Or you might wonder if a date is gonna matter, and then it matches with the next thing you look up. It's a weird world and I support the mission to make synchromysticism a legitimate form of woo-cheers to that! As for the last episode and what people thought about it... Steven The Spider Snyder aka Recluse another guy who's in that top 1% of guests who have been here more than five times

1:18:47 He's just so active, and a deep dive into Stanley Kubrick is just what I expect and enjoy from him. And i'm not the only one! 4.6 from the plus people all right Gotta love it. The only halfway negative thing anyone had to say was about his voice I understand it can be distracting and people think he's overacting or putting some extra stank on it But honestly, I've known him for years now And it doesn't matter if we're on air off-air or I'm listening to his own podcast That is just the man's voice I have another friend with a very similar voice and people always think he's trying too hard, too. Actually this other guy sounds more like Ron Swanson but... I'm 95% sure Recluse is not trying to put anything extra on it That voice is just his God-given gift But 4.6 is great seems like we're in a bit of a roll I think every show lately has been well liked and I aim to please

1:19:45 I guess in higher side news, there's really only one thing i want to clarify because it's coming through a lot of our support tickets. And that is that you can only listen to THC Plus on Spotify if you subscribe through Patreon. I know it's confusing people take the time to sign up through the website and then they're frustrated with spotify not accepting the RSS feed Well look, we all know these corporate platforms are consolidating what should be independent media but they only take premium content through their partners and Spotify is a partner. So I can't do anything to change it. If getting Plus on Spotify is important to you, sign up through the Patreon if it's not then there's really no reason that you shouldn't just use my website. I consider it better for several reasons but I'm not trying to make this a big thing just a simple reminder that Plus on Spotify only happens via Patreon That's all there is to it sorry if I don't make that clear enough

1:20:44 Alright, and the meetup calendar. Let's see where the listener hangout events are coming up June 30th a Poor House BBQ Hang in Kanaan New Hampshire July 1st Lansing Michigan at The Rooted Socialite July 6th New Buffalo Michigan at Rolling Embers July 24th A Eugene Oregon Hang Out At The Oakshire Public House And also June 24th, Pasadena California at the Corner Bakery Cafe. Great! At least two new ones I think since last week? I wish there were more if you're curious about who listens to THC in your town and if they'd be good people to know make an event. HiresideMeetups.com free and open to everyone If you plan to go to an event always RSVP too please Hosts like to have a good idea of who's coming

1:21:37 But that's it, another one in the bag. Thanks for listening and big thanks as always to Chris. Congrats on getting another book out there! And take care you guys life is short I've done my part your move cultural creators watcher worshipers and sorcerarchy agents... Your fuckin' I've come for the water poisons and uridating It's full of estrogen I bought a phone I made it difficult

1:22:15 I've come for your water. I've come for your water. I've come for your water. I've come...for..your water, yeah! Ooh that's you. I've crushed the insects of the fish. When prices go this high- I've come for your water. I've come for your water. I've come for your water. I've come....for.....your water, yeah! Land, sea and desert Even the west

1:22:59 They're mine forever, the schwab endeavour The world's beneath sand and world gets hot Lead lambs to the slaughter Dead dirt in acid rain I'll do it all again I've come for your water