Chris Knowles & Gordon White | Coronavirus Chaos, Mr. Global, & The Technocratic Plot

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01:41 And while it is important to maintain a state of calm and critical awareness amongst the coronavirus quarantine chaos, there's no denying that we can see clearly now how certain players of the Capstone Cabal can coordinate their various pieces of the pie to shut down society almost entirely. 2020 vision indeed! Is this really about a virus or is this about the technocratic control you've been warned of? Because I don't know anyone who's ill. I haven't seen anybody collapsing in the streets, but almost everyone i talk to is concerned or already deeply affected by the economic situation of this whole operation. Isn't that interesting?

02:21 But there are many threads on the coronavirus cardigan and it's hard to keep them all straight. Is this an engineered bioweapon that got out of control? Just an engineered virus-free panic, to further the aims with a technocracy? The results of 5G EMF bath in Wuhan? A scapegoat for planned economic collapse or a convenient cover story for incoming asteroid? Well, I think we all want a little more clarity and THC has definitely flipped the switch on the digital bat signal and called in a couple of the Dark Knights I think we need right now for a little pandemic podcasting powwow. And that would be Gordon White of Rune Soup and Chris Knowles at The Secret Sun Blog

02:59 I'm sure you know them and their work well by now, and with their powers combined, I hope the double dose of insight will serve us all well. It's a little silver lining in the insanity, and i'm psyched to get into it! Christmas comes early with the magic Michelin star chef for the ever-flavorful Rune Soup and the synchromystic sage of The Secret Sun blog Gordon & Chris welcome back as always uh great to be here wish it was under better circumstances Yeah yeah but you know gathering the brains trust is gathering the brain stress so i'm looking forward to it just that and yes i'm definitely calling in the big guns guys though i wish we were as you say chris breaking bread under less severe circumstances and.

03:42 It's still a goddamn treat to have you both here. I think people like the comfort of some familiar company and also the insights you can share about reading through the lines here and knowing how to make sense of it all, a little more casual than a normal THC but let's get into it maybe You can both just give us your thoughts off the top when it comes to what we've seen in the past week and maybe how its affected you Gordon? You want to kick us off? You were traveling Yeah, yeah. I just got back from London a couple of days ago so i've been through a whole bunch of seemingly apocalyptic places and the last couple of nights in London looked that way because people were told not to go out and then eventually they did have a shutdown but I missed that!

04:26 There's a kind of funny or odd loop where most of the discussion online is about how bad this is, but I'll tell you and this is a good news piece which we move into exploring it. On the ground no one believes that like I was talking to cafe owners and restaurant owners as I'm sitting there the only one in the building and in the actual lived day-to-day thing most people are already suspicious that what we are being told isn't a very good map of what's going on. And I think that for me, how we approach a sense of coherent analysis at the moment is to break it into different kind of like bubbles and the trouble at the moment is people are kinda moving from different

05:10 domains of expertise or understanding and weaving together. And so there's challenges with the whole virology model and testing as one area that I think people need to upskill on, and then there's the actual evidence for it's almost a flow on from that for whatever this virus happens to be now. Then there is the kind of next step which is well then how much of this is is almost like a fog or aggregate of idiocy and media nonsense, and how much of it is a plot. Right? And that's the bit if you don't kind of separate them out and go well do you understand how virology and testing works? Have you actually done a decent data analysis about what it is that we are not being told otherwise you end up with this as a bio weapon blah blah blah and it's worse than it is or what have you. It's if you kind

06:00 For me, I think it's intellectually useful to break it into sort of three sectors so that you don't get caught in the cross currents of fear-based speculation. That would be my opening statement. Christopher? Yeah how is the East Coast Chris? Well I'll tell ya' I went to pick up my daughter in New York she was living in New York going to school and uh... It was like The Omega Man driving into New York City. I mean we were driving at rush hour And I'll just say this, even at three o'clock in the morning driving in and out of New York. I've seen more traffic so it was surreal but everything has been surreal and you know for me personally my experience of the world has been quite surreal dating back much further back than this virus So I am probably idiotically sanguine about this I'm just...I see whatever is going on as

06:59 As an inevitability and you know having spent time in the ocean as a kid, you know inevitability becomes a lesson that you learn and you learn to sort of Go with the flow and go with the current and you know steer yourself in certain ways but like just right now I almost I hate to say this because it sounds insensitive But if I always feel like I just expected something like this. I've been expecting something likes us for a long time as matter fact Gordon and I, you know had discussed this privately two years ago. And I did a post on the blog called The Microbes Are Ready when I was just kind of gathering all these stories that were popping up in late 2017 dealing with antibiotic resistance and then your Bill Gates has been banging this pandemic drum for quite some time we had disease X which popped up

07:52 I don't know if you guys remember Disease X, but there was a whole big back and forth about that. And then of course the event 201 CONFAB last year in New York City at the Pierre Hotel. So I just really... You know, I'm not very happy clearly about what's going on right now. You know as nervous and apprehensive is a lot of people are but at the same time I just feel like this is As Gordon would say, this is where we go in this part of the timeline. Indeed! And Gordon you said first we should break this up into bubbles which is app terminology for a quarantine and I agree that we want to be somewhat methodical

08:40 To start it more the beginning let me ask you about your thoughts on the coronavirus itself which were you leaning on the questions of where to get started is an emerging new virus really why this is all happening are even concerned with getting sick these sorts of things. If you're asking if it's a bioweapon, it isn't. Bioweapons have a kill rate of 60%. This is not a bioweapon right? That said basically It is an artifact of testing, which doesn't mean it's not real. Okay? So there's a bunch of stuff about virology where anyone who has like a flu or respiratory infection between 5 and 15% are caused by coronaviruses so you actually can accidentally invent this if you keep testing for people right

09:28 And that's sort of the challenge. And particularly, and I know you read John Rappaport stuff too and he has been playing a blinder with this particular situation we're in. Wuhan is one of the most polluted cities on earth and all these people in their 80s who have been smoking for literally 70 years in one of the most polluted cities on earth come down with pneumonia in pneumonia season and then they test them. And so between 5% and 15% of them are going to have coronaviruses in them, because that's one family of viruses that do things like this. So you can accidentally invent this right? I think that's kind of what i mean about when you talk about virology and virus theories there's challenges with well

10:10 What is a coronavirus and then it's how do we measure them? And and how do we declare whether there is one in there, and you can't if you look at the way they're doing It. It's garbage right so they found some RNA molecules which can come from anywhere and are associated with inflammation anyway and Declare that it's a novel corona virus But we've been sharing this Greg like false positive rates among asymptomatic people are 80% Like this is not um This isn't a coherent way if this is a bio weapon it would kill more people and be easier to track this is a big chunk of it is the model we have to understand viruses is it's wrong because its materialism but more importantly unreliable you're only ever going to get

10:55 you're only ever going to get kind of like weird, guesstimate attempts that continually have to be revised. So in that sense it's an artifact about testing most importantly as to whether or not it exists or not, as a separate thing from a severe flu And I don't everyone's saying, Oh stop equating it to the flu. I'm like, oh do you want better? Actually, I think it's less damaging than the flu this idea that we should I can compare anything to anything. I can compare this to AIDS. I can compare it to Mickey Mouse. This idea You shouldn't compare it to flu and Mike really do you want let's play data shall we let's Let's go with this and step one is to kind of take a deep fucking breath

11:36 and go, okay well how do we know what we know? And as soon as you get to there you realize it's garbage before you even throw in some of the stuff like the clearly faked things coming out of Italy. From step one we actually need to know well what the F is virology and how are we understanding how many cases we have? I'll give you another bit, the data thing that is killing me right 99% of people who've died in Italy have pre-existing conditions. But when you're looking, and this is happening at the moment, the total case count is now bigger outside China than inside China. That's crap! That is an accumulation of every single case for a outbreak that has been going on for four months. It lasts for five weeks so you can't actually just count every single one and go oh there are more cases outside of China than there are now but

12:23 Okay, divide it by five weeks then. That's an aggregate of numbers based over four months and out of a test that is unreliable So this thing from the very beginning is a mess And I'm not sure how much of that...I'm gonna go with 30-70% is a deliberate mess versus a side effect of the dysfunctional worldview that's kind of like caused different governments and so on to panic. I think there is an op here quite clearly, and it said technocratic play in particular focused on Europe but i don't think that requires the coordination across the entire planet that is- It's a very reasonable pushback on okay if it's an op are you telling me Iranian prison guards uh coordinating with President Xi? And no I'm not actually!

13:09 the way we have our, um... The way the world agrees that viruses exist means that you actually only need to kind of do a little bit of a kick and the whole thing tumbles into this panic reaction. And so that's kinda where I wanted to say bubble one, bubble first is virology and testing And then I want to look at the actual data that's showing up out of this unreliable system. And then after that, we can do as Chris would say, Cui Bono like who where who and where is winning out of this? And who, as a result might be might we finger for the person who caused it versus he was using this

13:46 as an opportunity to push their own kind of agendas. So those are the kinds of bubbles and if we don't sort of separate them out, we do end up with a lot of the low quality discussion that has been going on about China's lying about the numbers and Trump is lying about how bad it is and this is a bio weapon and blah blah blah blah blah okay everyone calm down you're let's, how are they lying about the numbers? Let's actually look at how we create these numbers and then move it from there. And I think that is where we need to That is the, to me the most rational way to not just trying to get a head around what is in fact going on but in a way that it can provide what Katherine Fitz would call actionable intelligence because we people listening to this are doing two things. They want to know what the hell is going on but they also wanna know what the hell is going on from a personal threat assessment perspective? What should they be scared of and in what way

14:39 And I think the clean way to do that is virology and testing data around this particular virus, and then cuoibono. But those are my thoughts. What do you reckon Chris? Well, I want to offer a word of dissent here. Not directly but I believe that this coronavirus is a classification of virus right everybody's sort of talking about this virus like it's like a particular virus that is unique from other viruses. And coronavirus is a classification that alludes to how it behaves and how it infects people because of its architecture and so on, so I believe that this virus did escape from a laboratory. I don't believe it was weapons testing but I believe the testing that was being done on this virus has grown out

15:31 a story that absolutely no one's talking about, but the story that I had been tracking for a number of years now in which the moratorium on biological weapons testing was lifted. Believe back in 2015 you know very quietly lifted and then a number of different viruses were you know, started to be experimented with. Started to be experimented on and five of these were coronaviruses so we had five coronaviruses and I think five bird flus, you know, flus in that family because bird flu is essentially considered the most serious and the most deadly form a flu. So i believe that what has been going on is that there's been a lot

16:20 testing either for weaponization or for defense against weaponization, and that this particular virus the COVID-19 you know, the fact that they're denying it so strongly. That we're seeing so many blaring headlines saying this did not come from that Wuhan Virology Institute that's 20 miles down the street from where this has said to have broken out in this fish market. So I believe what we are seeing is one of the reasons why biological testing was banned in the first place because

16:58 It's extraordinarily dangerous and it can backfire on you. That being said, I mean i'm not exactly sure that this particular COVID virus is the problem that that it is. I still have a very strong feeling and you know I've discussed this with Gordon and he disagrees with me but I get the feeling that something else is coming down the pike that is much more grave danger to us all. And that is why we're seeing this really extraordinary lockdown, because it's true. Again you've been prohibited from saying certain things comparing this virus to flu virus and so on but we have had much more dangerous flu viruses in the past several years

17:47 I believe it's five years now in a row where flu viruses were basically, not basically they were useless. And you know they said that these viruses are useless but they said you should get them anyway which doesn't make any sense to me at all but what do I know? So I believe that this virus is an artifact of this the moratorium being lifted on weaponization of coronaviruses and bird flu viruses. I believe that's the work that was being done at this Wuhan Institute, again 20 miles due south of the fish market where this is said to have

18:30 broken out, you know they're probably maybe doing treatment options for it. I mean it could be entirely benign, it could be entirely defensive but I do think the coincidence there is just too stark to ignore... It wasn't 20 miles though! It was much closer wasn't it? It was like 900 feet or something. I guess according to the map that I'm looking at it was about 20 miles downstreet But, you know we've heard stories that there were incidents at this particular location. One of which was that monkeys that had been tested on it had freaked out and somehow escaped from the cages and started biting people and all this kind of insanity

19:15 there was a concern that maybe it wasn't even alive virus that had been infecting somebody who worked there, who began to distribute it among the populace. But I realize that Wuhan is very polluted but you can say that about any number of Chinese cities we've seen over the past 10 years pictures where it's dark at noon and everybody is wearing goggles and masks because the pollution is so bad. And that's any number of cities in China, but they're not other cities aren't being tested for it. So you just have people in those cities die of pneumonia like if you actually look at the number of people who died pneumonia and pneumonia cities in big cities in China like The number of people who apparently had coronavirus and died from it just is lost in that noise. So you actually can just literally invented by looking for

20:07 No, I understand that. But the coincidence is just too stark for me and the fact that a lot of people influential people have been risking really pissing China off by coming out and saying that this is because of irresponsible handling at this virology center. And, you know people high place people in the Indian government said this as soon as the outbreak began. You know we've had a lot of prominent Republicans like Tom Cotton talking about this and saying that this is China's Chernobyl making that irresponsible handling of biological materials leading to what what we're seeing so I think we're seeing an overabundance of caution

20:49 in some regards, and you know you always have what's that Rahm Emanuel's maxim? Never let a crisis go to waste. So there could be any number of things happening But I did want to say, like if you start with virology and testing. I guess we're jumping to Cui Bono right? Because the fact...I wanted to start with this is the challenge with locating it, with saying a virus even exists in the first place. It doesn't mean just because they don't think it came from the lab, I don't think that's fake. I think you can actually say whether it exists or not, this is a kind of Bill Gates level technocratic plot, right? So you and that's what I see in a whole bunch of things like China's response. And in countries that don't seem to give a fuck who should like Japan, Japan doesn't have an outbreak it was supposed to be the next Wuhan because they're not testing people right

21:38 So they've ended up with like 900 cases. They should have apparently had thousands because they had one of those apparent plague ships dock, right? So it's not just India. It's also Russia doesn't seem to give a goddamn shit about it either and all these countries that you think would shows that the reaction is planned because look at there isn't unevenness if it was something big coming down the pike Japan would be reacting in a way that would look like Europe and the US, because especially if it was extraterrestrial for instance. The Japanese space agency shares that kind of information on a space agency to space agency basis when its seen that we're seeing the countries that are under the technocratic thumb

22:20 reacting in a way that leads towards technocracy. Going after China for this is literally one of the points, like I've been saying this since 2016 and since the arrival of Trump part of the game is the onboarding of manufacturing steps back inside the US so of course you're going to get Republicans saying China mishandled this, China's unreliable The whole point of the sanctions and the rest of it bring those manufacturing steps back into North America. And this will certainly accelerate that so that's either I think that's a subset of the technocratic goal, but it is absolutely part of it. So you're right that everyone's going after China for reasons that look like racism and in the case of Trump are racism

23:06 But there's a very specific purpose behind it that doesn't need to be, oh I'm not sure what's going on here. No it's quite explicit what's going on here. It's a continuation and more importantly a dialing up of the macro project we have seen since 2016 and that's the scary bit for me right? If we're at Cui Bono this is something Catherine Fitts said last week in Money & Markets which is whatever is going on picture it like this, Mr. Global has said you aren't achieving these milestones fast enough so let's get this done so there is a point in time I agree with you on this Chris i think that's what your feeling there was a point in time that the technocratic layer

23:48 is trying to get a whole bunch of projects done by right and that's gonna end up being things like digital currency and 24 seven surveillance people whether it's my ID twenty twenty chips on your phone or the rest of it there is, the remaining kind of like four important pieces of a full technocratic takeover for whatever reason have been like. I do think there's some international

24:25 Games being played with the blame game but the story it is interesting that they're attacking like this wet market there attacking a place where people go for food are they not down oh well there you go i did a week and half ago he think what's fucking dodgy lake if this is if this is ground zero of dangerous fires. You would keep it open and you would descend on it with your little swabs and whatever, and see what else you can find. But China knocked it down! Right well that goes to my point... And also the story that this is like a A bat soup situation that sounds more like something that plays on westerners assumptions and prejudices about the east rather than something that actually happened. Yeah i think that story is absolute nonsense you know the pangolin, I just don't believe it at all again i do believe that it came out you know i do diverge from Gordon on this one yeah i find the coincidence there just too stark to ignore

25:25 But, you know, I wanted to just sort of place this in context. And these are things that Gordon would be aware of but for the past several years there's been a growing chilliness between the Chinese Communist Party and Western corporate interests and that the welcome mat that had been put out for Western corporate interests since Nixon is being drawn back. And one of the things that I got this information from are people who have YouTube channels, who have been living in China and has since moved to places like Thailand or Vietnam

26:08 you know, places still in Asia where they can do business and continue doing the work that they were doing. But I was hearing a lot of admittedly anecdotal information about the chilliness growing between people doing, Westerners doing business in China and the Chinese. And this is something that predates this latest situation so I think that there is you know as Gordon says I do definitely think that we are going to see a massive pullback of corporate and technological

26:45 manufacturing being done back in the United States. And, you know, something Gordon and I discussed a number of years ago when he talked about 3D printing and all these kinds of technologies that are allowing you to get around that market at that huge disparity in wages between China and the West so we are seeing a lot of technologies that are working to counteract that but as far is I'm not exactly sure. that this is a Mr. Global plan because the linchpin of Mr. Global's plan is China, I mean China is the... No it's not anymore, I guarantee you it's not like, not anymore and especially at the moment if you're looking at Europe that's about to fail and that's where they are from a debt perspective Europe can't fail! And by that I mean Brussels so let's do it this way Chris If next week we're recording on Sunday morning my time, if on Monday there's three-week bank holiday in Europe

27:45 It's Mr. Global because we're looking at Europe suspending it's having a three week bank holiday, currency cancellation and the rise of Euro bonds because that's what the China thing and the rest of it is about. This is where we will see the digital currency start because Europe is ruined without it. And I think that's one of the things that pulled it forward. I guarantee China hasn't been the linchpin of Mr Global's plans for awhile. Well actually it has but The continuation of Europe is a bigger part of that. And let me tell you, I think it's a hit against a coherent China because if you look at the other places that are allegedly having a bad time with this virus, you have Iran and Italy and those are the kind of turning points on the Silk Road so Iran is where you turn right

28:39 to get into Europe and Italy is where you turn left. So you've actually got like a smackdown not just on China, but on this which by the way is a scam like Silk Road is a boondoggle promise for your Asian countries to fall under China's thumb. Like the idea that you can use a train to bring things into Europe again people just need to look at the data on this one super tanker can take the equivalent cargo of 100 trains. So you'd actually need 100 train tracks next to each other going through Mongolia to replace one supertanker? What the hit is about is the kind of Chinese economic dominance over cohering Eurasia, so I think it's highly suspect that the worst places apparently that are having challenges with this virus are like

29:29 The right turn and the left turn on the Silk Road. That seems like it's if we're talking about it can't be a coincidence Well, that one can't be a coincidence That's interesting. It's like a Western clap back on the idea of the Silk Road initiative. It's like no you don't yeah basically well A whole bunch of fear and risk on that Yeah, go for it. I just want to say that one of the reasons as far as Italy is concerned and i know that there's a lot of controversy about what is in fact actually going down there and that one of the numbers I read that 80% of people who had died apparently from coronavirus had serious

30:07 medical issues. It's 99%. Yes, 99% is also the issue of because of Merkel and Macron basically screwing over Southern Europe that Europe is I mean Italy in particular skews much older than other countries because so many young people have left to find employment. But the other thing that I would offer as far as Italy's concerned is that Italy is also a big player in the textile, clothing and fashion market and China basically took that over

30:43 in, I would say the late 90s. And you know this is something that can speak to it from experience because all of the...I used to do a lot of work T-shirt work and so on for clothing manufacturers in New York and most of them are gone and most of the others have either been bought out by Chinese interests or Syrians So I think that That might have a lot to do, you know, I've read that in particularly in Florence is a large Chinese population because of this industry. But you know, I just want to say, I mean Gordon has much more as you can tell by this conversation Gordon's less smart than he's a lot better red. Um, I go by instinct and so on and probably yeah, you know, to my detriment but I just feel um

31:35 I can't pin the tail on this is all i'm saying, is that i am not confident or comfortable making any kind of definitive statement about what is really going on here because I'm looking at in the background again of this chilling between Chinese interests and American corporate interests. But let's also look at the fact that, you know, the media in America is increasingly owned by Chinese interests, Chinese sovereign capital companies and so on, companies related to

32:15 the Chinese army, people's revolutionary army. But the media, the colleges so many things that we talked about Greg as far as these industries that are being sort of hammered by the woke virus you know the Chinese bought into these industries in a very big way in the 90s and early 2000s So, you know they're getting hammered there as well. And then we've also seen this incredibly strange and troubling and I'm sure this is fits more into Gordon's description of this but you seeing all these CEOs of the hugest companies in the world stepping down and in some cases looking like they're stepping down under duress and I know so your cue and non people all say that this is a storm and they are part

33:07 international pizza gates conspiracy and all things like that. I mean, I think that there's in fact something going on but you know this just really speaks to things that Gordon and i have been talking about before well before Trump was elected and that's this whole idea of the war in heaven that there are huge uh international monetary, financial corporate military interests that are vying for dominance and doing so out of our reach out of our sight. And we only sort of see you know, we get the we see the breadcrumbs falling with from the table but we don't see what's being served. So I think that I cannot make personally I cannot make a definitive answer or definitive thesis as to what we're in fact seeing because

33:54 There are so many things going on and so much data that I, you know at least I have no access to. Fair. And let me just back this up a little bit to that underlying topic of virology and testing, because I'm really combining the work of John Rappaport and David Crowe. And John is saying like look all these people do have other conditions as Gordon threw out 99%. And it seems like these people have particular conditions that don't jive well with the treatments they're getting with these malaria and Ebola drugs. Exactly oh my God And so these are the reasons why people are dying and just to throw out david crow's thing he studied stars a lot which was the last coronavirus and. His attitude is they can control the amount of cases they get with the testing cuz it is kind of in your artifact of testing like you said so if they want,

34:46 less cases, they'll either test less people or change the parameters of the test and then they get to claim themselves as the hero. And I thought it was really interesting because my paranoia is getting tested testing positive and then getting thrown into the ringer because i won't have control over my decision to opt out of the dangerous treatments but I thought it was really interesting when Trump and Pence were on TV today given this press conference and they were both very adamant that if you don't have symptoms, do not seek out a test. And I was very happy to hear that because it sounds like there might be some games and some pushback there but Gordon talked to us about virology in testing. Oh thank you Gregory yeah so i agree with Chris that we don't know what's going on my point is to find the actionable intelligence and the main one that...and I think this is true

35:32 The main one we want to get across is, be not afraid in particular of the virus for a bunch of reasons. And what I mean it's like it may not exist like it maybe an artifact of this testing but I'll talk you through a whole bunch of that And then we'll end up with what I will tell you to do if you get forced, if what happens is that you end up in particular in the US where everyone has to take the test. That would be another indication that it's like Bill Gates level technocrat plot right? But before we get into that let's talk about how you it appears that this novel coronavirus responds to malaria treatments and azithromycin. Now, that is basically proof that the thing you were looking at is a cluster of symptoms associated with like a nest of things that go on like azithromycin is an antibiotic It does nothing to viruses but it will take care of anything opportunistic That comes along while you are sick same thing with something like malaria malaria can prevent

36:32 essentially the movement of viruses into cells. Same thing with HIV treatments, right? I think I told you Chris that I bought a bunch of PrEP before I went to Europe in case I got trapped there which i wouldn't take ordinarily because these are... The way they work by stopping reverse transcription that process is required for about 50% of the cells in your body so you shouldn't be taking it at the best of times but it's not just that the testing is unreliable, and that 99% of people have pre existing conditions. The proof that there's kind of nothing there is that a broad spectrum approach apparently cures it and that wouldn't be the case if the symptoms are associated with a so called novel Coronavirus. It's impossible

37:15 And we would have the evidence of that if people had actually acculturated the RNA molecules associated with this virus from someone who was sick, and then put it in another animal and observed the appearance of those symptoms. But no one in this process has done it right? So this is kind of what I mean like be not afraid of the virus for a bunch of reasons, when I say it might not exist. You will still get sick because you know in the northern hemisphere you're coming to the edge of flu season but it shifts from a place of terror with all these fake pictures of people and like masks spraying things down or whatever to a place

37:55 Lean forward optimism. It's like right? Well, I'm gonna take my immune system seriously I'm going to I'm gonna stop eating this garbage and and right now if you're stuck at home as I am Get a regular amount of sleep and get it at night Do some sort of regular exercise stop eating garbage manage things like inflammation And when it comes to testing Greg This is this is the tip right The tests that they will send you are not just unreliable, but they're essentially looking for inflammation markers. So like the RNA molecules that they have decided is associated with this virus will show up in states of inflammation so if you are a bit sick, you will probably... You are more likely to test for it right? But you can do things like a three-day fast will completely reset your immune system

38:38 right? So if you're going to get this test, and I don't mean like if you're sick and you're gonna get the test because you've kind of bought into this thing or whatever. And you know what manage your own health how you want to manage it but I'm saying for people who are like you and me concerned about a test which will mean in the case of the US 330 million DNA samples associated with either an ID 2020 tag or telephone number an app that will allow you... The thing is they're going to force total 24 sevens, uh, 24 seven surveillance of you because the story is going to be. You might be an asymptomatic carrier and so we need to know where you are at every single moment of your day and work out who it is you're hanging out with so that we can trace back this imaginary virus. It's this is the technocratic plot. It's really, really bad. And one of the things we can do when we're stuck inside is obviously manage your health. That is your job now. Your job is to have the best immune system possible and there are hacks

39:31 for that when it comes to the virus, which is things like if again if you don't have underlying conditions a three day water fast will reset your immune system. People have won Nobel prizes in medicine for it like there are things we can do but the game is this the game is a combination of 24 seven monitoring with approval of movements which has already happening in China and Europe And matching that to your DNA. Like this is the dream, this is what I mean like it's the next goddamn step in a global technocracy and Chris mentioned the woke virus right? This is a perfect example so

40:09 It's a Catherine Fritzism, but here is the thing. She observed last year and it is true because we were talking about how the woke virus destroys everything that touches and doesn't work anymore. But none of Mr Global narratives are working anymore and they are in fact making it worse climate change making it worse refugee crisis making it worse identitarianism making it worse so again picture this scenario where my plans for moving the planet into this technocratic managerial structure are not working. What do we do? And this is what we do! Yes and it's also important to point out that a plan is not set in stone you know we can react to it and this might all fall apart but its important to talk about what they want to do. And I agree with the on the surveillance aspect, you can get a situation where they've got your cell phone so anytime they see 10 cell phones

41:02 interacting together in one place, they just send the cops out and break it up. You know you're not supposed to be here social distancing And I worry about the test but more so the fact that they're gonna send this out after everyone's been inside for 30 days under artificial light afraid to go outside no relief from their own EMF exposure or Wi-Fi exposure in their house and After say thirty days all your good produce is is going to be gone. You're gonna be eating those chips, you're gonna be in that corporate food so when the time for the test does come there'll be a lot of broken immune systems out there and I hope a strong immune system is enough to beat the test. I really don't know enough about that. I'm worried it's just an RNA marker or so like...I don't know if its directly related to the immune system. It's a bit of a crap shoot but

41:48 the thing you can do best to, to minimize getting a positive result is to make sure that you are in like the least possible inflamed state. Because you essentially have more RNA junk floating around when you're in a state of inflammation so that's the only thing you can do but the other thing like I get why the president doesn't want everyone to be tested because leaving aside the fact that people who apparently have a test positive for coronavirus, which they would because between 5 and 15% of people who present symptoms have a coronavirus. But more importantly even in 95% accurate tests which is what they're saying it is

42:28 trash, doesn't matter. Do the numbers on this." So a small amount of the population actually has the coronavirus but if you test 330 million people 5% of 330 million people means that you have more false positives than you do people that have the Coronavirus. So if you test everyone, you literally do the numbers and go well more people will have it than don't this is like anyway, the point I wanted to talk about all this is just for people to take a deep breath and be not afraid of the virus and consequently that changes how we look at what may be the plan, which is a fun thing to do. But again I'm more interested in okay well based on trajectories because this gets really bad from an economic perspective and that may not have even been the goal because as you say Greg

43:19 This plan, like all plans won't succeed. There's something built into the universe that's very Tower of Babel where all through history we try to do it and it doesn't work so we're just on one of those upswings towards technocratic totalitarianism It never works however the upswing and collapse we have to live through So thats kind what I mean don't be afraid of the virus And spend some time trying to understand what you think is going on but mostly from the perspective of deriving personal tactics out of it. Okay, cool so I don't need to be as scared of the virus unless I'm in my 80s and i've been smoking for 70 years and I live somewhere very polluted and all that kind of stuff... And you know what? Cool! We're all to some extent immunocompumerized but if you're not or even

44:06 You can manage that, you know your own goddamn immune system. But then look at the medium term again okay so we're looking at 20% unemployment, we're looking at nationalization of airlines and other businesses, we're looking at a complete swamping out of small and medium businesses so that all of this money which is coming via a Republican UBI will just get pumped back into Amazon and everywhere else. This is like that's what's going to happen one way or the other. Whatever you think the virus is and whoever you think, whatever you think the goal of this operation is that's going to happen one way or another we're gonna end up with 20% unemployment we're gonna end up with effectively a Great Depression so that's the bit where you kind of need to go okay this is the thing to not necessarily be scared off but like put your awareness and your focus on how you manage that what are your exposures

44:59 We just in the members area, we just finished a wealth magic course which did a whole bunch of strategy at the very beginning around this notion of first survive. Right? And that essentially means find your helms deep like in the case of where it is you are going to and I don't mean like a bug out bag in the woods. Where can you live whether it's with friends or family or even you might be that person where you can effectively live forever on zero money right? So what's your version of that, because people are going to be looking at well my rent is this much and I only have this much money in the bank and so on. And have those discussions with people because you might think it's weird let me tell you everyone's thinking it right so talk to your friends or family whoever combination of people that is there is a tremendous amount of like relief that comes from

45:46 knowing that even if you don't have to roll it out. And that's kind of what, if you break it into bubbles and go well what's virology? Let's look at the threat assessment from the virus and then the next two is cui bono but also what do we do? I'm very big on making sure We can speculate, and I think it's a technocratic plot. But I don't let my strategy about what it is that I do hinge on being right about who I think is kind of behind it. Does that make sense? It does! Chris, what are you thinking? Well, I think that what Gordon says about your immune system Excellent advice and I think it's advice that people should be following anyway. But you know, again this would be a boring show if i just agreed with everything Gordon said but like Katherine Austen-Fitz, like I think she knows the markets real well but you know I think her... She has got a real boomer mentality and her boomer mentality is when

46:47 Globalism was sort of coming up the pike in the early Reagan administration and it was sort of everyone's focus. I think Mr. Global is either dead or on his sickbed, to be honest with you. I think what we're seeing here is not like oh let's get this new world order, get everyone online worldwide and stuff. I think this is the exact opposite. I think this is using this opportunity You know let's put the best spin on this just using this opportunity to dismantle globalism i think globalism is being destroyed i think that i'm globalism was something that was tried and it was tried because

47:28 There was a problem in the early, like late 70s or early 80s and it had to do with GDP growth and it had to do with productivity. And you're sort of on the cusp of dealing with an aging population particularly in America but also in the West in general. This is something that has really accelerated in Europe. We sort of headed it off at the pass a bit because we had, you know, a mini baby boom in the 80s when a lot of boomers started having children in the late 80s and stuff but I think that globalism

48:05 Well, Global Limits has always existed. It's always been sort of this pipe dream dating back to Alexander the Great but I think a lot of people who might not have signed onto it because of these crises that we were seeing beginning in the 70s with what they call stagflation and maturing of markets, maturing of industries that it just seemed like having that closed shop idea was not the way forward to increase GDP and to create a more dynamic economy and dynamic corporate environment. I think what we've seen is that

48:48 It's kind of like one of these science fiction movies where something has grown from an embryo to death in a week or something. Because the course of globalism reminds me a lot, you know, a Marxist critique of the course of capitalism. So just as a lot of Marxists believe that we're in late capitalism now I think – like we said – I think we're in late globalism. I think globalism is either dead or on its death bed and you might notice it. You know, and you might notice it. We never see George Soros make any personal appearances anymore I think he's sick. I think he's extremely sick and a lot of it was his money And I think him funneling Chinese money

49:30 into the West, into all these nonprofits and so on. And I got to tell you, I was just laughing because I saw like this emergency alert on Twitter like Bloomberg Businessweek or something was saying what we really gotta worry about is these nonprofits in New York. And you know, it's funny too because when you look at when you think about like Mr. Global I mean who would choose more as Mr. Global is Mike Bloomberg and then we see him in the debates and he's just a fucking idiot! He has got his shit completely sliced up

50:07 I mean, there's Mr. Global right there! But we're actually saying the same thing Chris that's what i'm saying like it's the narratives aren't working. I agree...I'm not saying it's going to work, I'm saying this is the game and I think you can see that in the military Trump reaction like this idea he was sort of slow to get on board or what have you look at it and go it. This isn't the scenario plan that we had for how we manage China and I think, that's what I mean like technocratic Mr Global the different layer is sort of like US technocrats and Brussels technocrats are the same they believe in things like the EU when so on. That's what I think this plot is. I don't think it's any kind of worldwide conspiracy. I think you can actually get the world

50:50 panicked into this. And you'll notice it's kind of not yet working, so even though Gates did like he stepped down but he also stepped down from very unusual finance places like he was on the Buffett board for instance and he stepped away from that. Yeah yeah yes I see but that gets my, that gets my hackles up because it's like i can see him stepping down from Microsoft because he's been with the company for 50 years. But his seat on the board of Berkshire Hathaway and that's his seat on the fucking Mount Olympus you know what im saying? That something people die

51:27 with that on their resume. You don't walk away from that and I just can't help but wonder, unless you have another operation to crash things like that? This is what I think it is! It's not that... Okay this is the Mr Global technocratic scenario that I think it is and I don't think it works, that's my point but it's because they've been told none of the other... The plan wasn't working so let's give this one a shot he has basically he's still shilling even now, the ID 2020 thing. Right? So let's say you see the idea of a global pandemic and countries will react the way they do for a bunch of reasons. That's how they react especially countries post 9-11 that have all these this whole industry of disaster response professionals that people government money goes to so that different organizations and government departments know what their disaster response thing is for earthquakes and terrorist attacks and bioweapons

52:24 so on. So everyone's kind of like, this is Marge's time to shine. You know? They're like yes! Let's roll this out and you can kind of get that to work but you'll notice it's not foregone. He's out there shilling we need to do this now and we need to do this now. The game is afoot rather than foregone and that's kinda what I mean. I don't think it works well I think cosmically technocracy doesn't work because that's not how the universe works but metaphysical discussion rather than a tactical one. I think this is the game, but it definitely doesn't work like what happens as Europe probably next week does its three-week bank holiday and there's a currency cancellation on the way to like a digital version of it that's backed by euro bonds?

53:06 That panics the markets even more and that actually ends the EU over the next couple of years, right? So this is the kind of thing Armstrong's predicting about all that money coming back into the US. I don't think it works! I think this is the plot that's kinda different, right?" Well, no. I just want to take this down to sort of a basic psychology issue so if we're seeing this virus and the scare and then the disruptions in the economy disruptions in the market or disruptions in you know say sports leagues just canceling their seasons and losing hundreds of billions of dollars which I can't imagine for the life of me that they would do just to go along with this program. On a basic psychology issue, psychological issue

53:51 you know, if you're trying to sell this idea of globalism and international open borders. You know I mean they've really been pushing this open borders idea really hard for the past three or four years what could be more destructive? I mean more annihilating to this idea of free travel and open borders and you know The International Brotherhood of Men is thinking that like people are bringing a deadly virus into your country. This is absolutely, that is primal. There's no, that that is the absolute... this is why we had witch hunts you know what I mean? This is why we've had pogroms and massacres because oh they're plague carriers! You understand what I'm saying? This is basic primal animal survival

54:41 technology, psychology. So I cannot see for the life of me that whatever is going on here was like Mr Global saying all right this is our last ditch effort. I just don't think that makes sense. I'll tell you why it does because No, it's not. You're thinking like an American okay? Think like a European this is saving the EU. The EU doesn't in its own opinion Brussels doesn't have sovereignty over its borders so what do we have at the moment you remember last week 50 000 US troops showed up and it was all haha they don't have masks oh yes that was an oopsie daisy there the us military forgot to bring masks no um

55:19 The EU, Macron won set Brussels one set. They went to they want a goddamn army and they want Brussels sovereignty over the borders these and the Euro bonds and the currency is that up? The EU must survive if you're thinking about it like its American If it is if it is a level of globalist that is prioritizing Europe this is where, this is exactly what it would look like. Yeah but that's... What you're talking about is the institution of fortress Europe I mean you know shutting down the whole Sengen agreement um you know they're finally blocking all these uh migrant boats coming in from North Africa um you know shutting down the flow coming into Turkey what you're talking about is not globalist it's not Mr Global it might be

56:02 you know, the people who sort of these European aristocratic houses and European banks and stuff that saw globalism as their way out of their post-war impasse. But this is a tide going out on globalism! This is the return to fortress Europe! This is the return to fortress America! I mean this The death knell, I mean this is the death blow to Mr. Global. There's no way that...I cannot wrap my head around the fact that no matter how important Europe is what they're creating in people's minds

56:38 is the opposite of open borders, the opposite of globalism. Internationalism all these kind of things it's it's the exact opposite. It's back to lift you know lift up the drawbridge you know? So we're actually in broad agreement it's just that you kind of deprecated A definition of Mr. Global to be a sort of 20th century idea of what these tactics would look like and I think that's sleeping on how deeply this is a technocratic plot because it's like Europe as the EU and the Brussels model must survive. Like that's the kind of thought that goes through them, it doesn't work but we're actually talking about the same thing and what's a version? How do you track open borders like let's say Soros' wet dream came through and the entire world is open borders well how do you monitor where people are

57:32 Like, it's not just you can wander in willy nilly wherever you want. It's the opposite of that. You put a border around the planet and that is actually what ID2020 is so this is not necessarily contraindicated like, oh Fortress America fortress Europe. Absolutely and this is the thing this has been like the kind of like national security policy for the US for the last eight years to be honest it's not even a Trump thing it's the kind of drawing up with the drawbridges but but Europe in a really bad way like as not Europe itself the countries and then the landscape but that you use a projects in a really really bad way really badly and and it would have ended this year had it not

58:11 If this is what I think it is, it would have ended this year anyway. It still does end but this is like a Hail Mary to get that to work." And I love all of this for real and let's maybe zoom in on this because we call this an emergency meeting because people have a lot of immediate concerns and they're worried about how this will affect them and the people they know personally Obviously it is a big agenda if we wanna know who kicked the can, you know that started this whole snowball effect we gotta look at the top but to back up to the bubbles and the idea of what data is showing up I mean. Outside even medical data if we look at what seems to be the potential economic impact what do you think's important for people listening to now?

59:01 Much like the health question, that's on an individual basis. You need to do a risk assessment like what is it if you work for... If you're a seat cleaner at an NBA stadium, just to Chris' point about closing all the events for the rest of the year they will probably reopen in the summer but they will reopen in the summer because we will have had a 25% reduction in GDP. Like it falls off a cliff so you need to look at where you are where does your money come from? And in the short term, if you're a government employee you should be all right. If you're at a middling college dust off the resume because college applications are about to sink into nothing and particularly they kind of like mid-rank expensive... Like no one's showing up for them right but if you're at Harvard, you'll be fine. You will always be fine so it's kinda like if you've just opened a cafe

59:57 start praying, like work out where it is that you are economically. And that's what I mean by find your helms deep like What does your life look like if you have no money coming in? Like where is that and talk to your friends about it. If you think, well actually my friends down the road we could probably all live together that's a three bedroom house and so with some sort of government assistance would be able to pay that rent and we'd have shared childcare and so on talk to them because they're thinking the same thing okay And it doesn't mean do it It means work out what your helms deep is Because it will... We're facing

1:00:35 a not recession, but like a depression level drop in economic activity. So everyone needs to kind of be where they are that's the thing I want people don't be afraid of the virus within reason and i mean basically it is equivalent to other illnesses that you would get over a flu season and so if that is something that puts you at personal risk then you do need to be concerned about it but if not it doesn't and focus instead on on the things that you actually will need to take tactical action around. And that's kind of why this is why we do the bubble thing, we can look at the actual virus and we can speculate as to why the clear op components of this narrative are going on.

1:01:16 whatever happens, we kind of have a medium term economic view that is quite stark. And you don't need to solve who's in charge of it to take the steps that you should be taking even just for your own anxiety and let me tell you it sounds weird but just talk to your friends or family about what how what is the worst case scenario? And how do we do it because they will be relieved to hear from you Let me tell you that i did wanna come back to what you had said about the. Corona virus thing being a drill it's like we have event two oh one last year which is the, Tabletop simulation then coronavirus the live drill and then potentially something that sinks up more with martin armstrong's model an actual virus that people will think. Is the system crying wolf again potentially so there is not one template to follow you always gotta be critical always gonna be paying attention what happens one time is not necessarily what happens next time so

1:02:16 Pay attention and in summary I would say drill down on that information about this being an artifact of testing, that it's an RNA artifact not necessarily a virus. You don't necessarily need to be afraid of it when you get past that panic Then you maybe need to not be scared of a virus, but be prepared for the upcoming fallout. And man I definitely feel a little bit better and a little bit worse but that is the nature of the game here! Any parting words for the people from both of you? Yeah let me just cut in...I would just say like what i said before get your spiritual house in order it's not going to save your life or your finances

1:03:01 To learn to accept both the good and the bad, I think is one of the great goals of all spiritual systems. And it's something that we all need to become aware of. to these powers that surround us, that we're told don't exist and you know we're told they don't exist for reasons right? You know. To make us more efficient serfs but um...to open your mind and your inner eye or third eye whatever way you want to put it

1:03:41 The fact that this is not a dead mechanistic world, but a world that is teeming with all manner of energy and consciousness everywhere you turn I think will strengthen your immune system. It will reduce your levels of panic and it will allow you to make more rational and calm decisions because you'll be able to put things in a greater context that most people are discouraged from putting it in. And I hope, again, I don't sound too Pollyanna about this but believe me this is very hard fought and hard won wisdom on my part. Fair! Sure Gordon what do you think? In terms of parting words here The old world is not coming back This is the end of it which means you have

1:04:35 No choice but to create the world that you actually want moving forward, or you will get one. there is an optimism that actually kind of flows on from what Chris was just saying there, which is this. There is no return to normalcy. This is a big deal and the correct and glass half full way of looking at that is that you have nothing preventing you from actually living the life that you should be living. Well cheers to that! Fellas, this has been a long time coming getting these three aspects of the Godhead on one podcast. The Holy Trinity! If I could be so presumptuous to insert myself in there but man i'm glad we could make it happen Of course people can follow Gordon's take at runesoup.com and people can follow Chris' take at secretsun.blogspot.com

1:05:33 I appreciate you both and all the stuff we talked about today. I think people will as well, couldn't do it without you keep doing what you're doing take care out there. Thanks Greg thanks Chris Thank you sir thank you Greg always a pleasure Well feed me Seymour big show today the biggest of shows Of course i don't have to tell you that but this was also just very cathartic for me To hear how both Chris and Gordon are looking at this thing It's difficult to parse. There are various layers and players and motivations, never let a good crisis go to waste is definitely in play here

1:06:13 So all the cockroaches with a playbook do seem to be scrambling to gain some ground against us. Corporations who can take a bigger chunk out of the middle class, Wall Street parasites, digital tech companies that want to use this as exhibit A as to why they should be a bigger part of our lives and we're safer just speaking to each other through their platforms. Political think tanks seizing the opportunity Who knows who was in it from the beginning and who just jumped in opportunistically when you hear about bill gates maneuvering around and jeff bezos selling off a lot of stock. And groups of senators probably more than we've even heard about using their privileged insights from the cdc to sell off their stocks if u weeks before the crash they knew is coming yet at all up and definitely something stinks there,

1:07:07 But I do start to think that the questions of who caused this, where it originated is the virus real or not? Who's holding the reins here. These are all interesting questions but my read on the people right now is that they'd much rather just know how they should expect this to affect them It's too invasive! It's already affecting us and this ain't no alien moon bases show here you know And biological false flag I think might be a good term for this. When 9-11 happened it seemed so epic and new, but then I learned about the history of false flags and realized it's not a new strategy just a new way of doing it

1:07:49 And I feel the same way here, that when you watch these presentations that go over polio and the use of DDT chemical pesticides. And then you hop over to Spanish flu and widespread use of the first round of aspirin. Then you look at HIV AIDS and SARS and start seeing a lot of nastiness going on in the chaos of those times of these so-called pandemics. It's typically a culling and attack on the poor So I'm very hesitant to go full on, viruses don't cause disease and pandemics don't happen. Because i think that's a position that just turns a lot of people off it's way too deep and it probably maybe even goes too far It just could be a dangerous thing to say if you aren't really fucking sure And how could I be?

1:08:40 But if we just drill down on this one particular coronavirus situation, then I think we can make a good case that this testing is flawed. The treatments are harsh and life-threatening to certain people and the economic effects of the overall protocol are affecting a lot more people It's of course last hands on but i don't think the term calling up the poor and old is too drastic a term to at least be thinking about as we see what rolls out. Also china knocking down the market just like they swept up in shipped off the wreckage of nine eleven another little parallel that,

1:09:20 This was one episode we just threw together real quick and we bypassed my typical editing process but i still think it's very listenable. We're all professionals by now I'm sure we could have improved it slightly but this isn't the kind of show that you wanna wait five more days for, And it's just such a special assembling of the crew. I also considered dropping it out for everyone, but I literally just did that yesterday with David Crowe and working like mad and I set this system up for support yes so I could get out of my job at GameStop and thank God because they're doing some pretty nefarious stuff right now in the wake of this crisis

1:10:03 acting like slave drivers and telling their employees who make minimum wage if they want Purell, it's best to just bring it from home. But I built this and now I actually have obligations to those people to provide them the content that they pay for so I'm gonna honor that both Chris and Gordon also have premium support platforms too So they can both use these second hour in that way as well Gordon's been doing that for RuneSuit members for quite some time. And now that I think about it, if this situation does tend to go on and on and Gordon wanted to do an ongoing series of semi-regular updates for those members and we wanted to call it the Bubble Boys...I wouldn't hate it!

1:10:49 In fact, I did just see that he is taking a page out of Joseph Farrell's book that i think is excellent and opening up a section of his premium content to be sort of Corona Chaos Newsroom so they can spin this off into its own thing and keep it coming in a more private way because I don't think you can keep having these conversations on YouTube Facebook and Twitter. It's kind like there are lot of things you can say on network TV Then move to cable and there's fewer things you can't say. And then go full on, hey I paid for this HBO or Sirius XM and then you can do whatever you want! I think we should keep that in mind when it comes to trying to keep this ship going. Tone down some of the public talk but when we shut the blinds and lock the doors inside of The Plus Club... We can't get fucked with

1:11:44 I'm just spitballing here, but clearly...I was having these thoughts just yesterday when I wrapped up the David Crow episode. I don't know about building out a part of the website but our plus member forum is grossly underused! I am gonna make a Corona Chaos thread and we can help keep each other stay informed And just like Chris and Gordon if we have some disagreements on how to interpret all this and what the real storyline is let's talk about it We're all on the same side, we're inner circle. So be respectful but let's let our ideas stand up to scrutiny like college was supposed to be about back in the day so that's what I think we're going to do for now. We're going to utilize The Forum a bit more and we can share news and articles without the risk of a real deplatforming. I'm gonna be good on Twitter! I'm gonna treat social media more like network TV censorship standards

1:12:40 It doesn't change the podcast itself, it's just changing all that other shit. Also i gotta say this and it was actually one of my favorite parts of the show. It was only in the second hour but i got worked up and started talking about the shaming that im seeing, people who are outside or stories of people calling the cops because they see a bar that still serving or the countless comments I've gotten about why did you have a friend in the room with your joint session? And why were you sharing joints

1:13:16 Enough of that but i made the point that tens of thousands of people are listening right now what advice do we have them when it comes to come batting, that sort of behavior because it is a dangerous slide gets very well in. And of course there are actually tens of thousands of free listeners, but definitely not plus people. I mean could you imagine if i had 10 000 let alone tens of thousands of plus members we'd have been doing some pretty big big things brooks agnew would be on that expedition to the inner earth! I can tell you that we'd have funded some stuff by now for sure

1:13:58 i mentioned on a wrap up not long ago that while i can't do the money bomb anymore i would like to get back into that mindset of possibly having an ongoing aspect. of those like third world micro loans you know those websites where it's like if you could just buy this poor man five goats he can start a business off that milk and cheese and survive but needs two hundred bucks no that's the level. That i'm thinking about cuz thats where we are mean we don't even have five percent of the full audience coming over to plus side sadly,

1:14:36 It's all good i mean we get by this is not a pity party for me at all, just saying number one my timing was bad when i brought up that tens of thousands of people listening in the wrong part of the show but number two and much more importantly. I just wanted to talk to you about those things now because they were on the second hour Another one the wrap up and it literally is anyone who listens to thc are full audience and of course, once you stick around at the end it's important to remember that we aren't small in numbers and even though we're regulated door homes we aren't alone yes on the conduit and you guys don't have a lot of direct coordination. Yourselves but im talking to enough people right now

1:15:25 to fill madison square garden three times over and besides giving myself a mild heart attack anxiety inducing stage fright in the comfort of my own home, we do have agents everywhere so to speak and we can have an effect on how effective the psychological operation and the socio economic operation is to agree. So the idea of shaming people who are outside, of ratting each other out in this gross way. Calling the police because a bar is still serving as Gordon said you don't know if that guy is just trying to sell enough beer to buy treatment for his sick mother so I do think we should help tone down the judgment without being confrontational or aggressive more flies with honey and all that but we should not stand idly by and let everything

1:16:17 amplify like that. Even if you share Chris's opinion that this is a bioweapon and you can get sick, it's still easy to see that the virus isn't going to affect everyone and it's not gonna be inside every public business that's closed right now yet the economic impact will affect everyone And some of these closed businesses might not come back In the plus show when we're having this conversation gordon also said start with kindness and if we see this sort of shaming. We should say look you just don't know about that person's mental health what their needs are maybe they need this so he's up and also, both of them were pretty much in agreement when we said this is what were four and i agree with built these communities over time and it might just be fun stuff to listen to on your way to work

1:17:13 when work was the thing back in the old world but it is not a time to sit idly by or for saying i told you so just because we did sound the alarm bell on the technocratic totalitarian tiptoe and have been for a long time as jordan peterson would say be the reliable person at a funeral funeral so to speak of course i don't know It's all just my word vomit stemming from wanting to know what we can do, how this show could be helpful. How we could subtly seed a tone that will help our situation not throw fuel on the fire as both Gordon and Chris talked about We have astrological markers and predictive models that both say this time period is likely a blip on the radar compared to next year

1:18:11 As Chris said, this might have been more of a drill. And like Gordon wrote in Chaos Protocols I think he definitely said it on THC at least a year ago but permaculture is fun and necessary don't you want to learn these things when it's still just a hobby and not when everything is in the red? Of course panicking never got anyone anywhere but having conversations about preparedness can be useful just trying to stay positive and not end with That particular comment so in the flush show we did discuss things like event two oh one and. Pandemic drill running the potential of an incoming asteroid that stories out there chris's shamanic illness getting in touch with the spirits,

1:19:00 What policies we might expect to see in the aftermath here. What Chris is seeing on the synchromystic side, definitely good stuff and of course what conversation is ever complete without a little Nick Cage? So let me just stop talking and back away from my computer it has been a pretty rapid fire four days But i do care a lot about what's happening and I know people do look to us for ideas and answers. And I wanted to do my best to make you feel like you have invested your time wisely So just doing what a humble stoner college dropout can do here. But thanks for listening and do take care of you and yours big thanks to Chris and Gordon, two are the great loves in my life And I'll see ya later! Your move assistants and agents of Mr Global's Technocratic Takeover your fucking move This is important hear what i said im trying to tell you

1:20:04 It's not paranoia, not in my head. It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while I still can To ask you a question Cause' I know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep to ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're arc- Can't you just admit, We're screwed I'm gonna tell ya this anyway It's a scary dark world Scare everyday whatcha say okay Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice Seems were stuck here But you can find no sis drown out the noise

1:21:20 Now use that altar, end up your magic game And listen to THC you know You go with the entities if you ever see emfo Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're our kung fu? Can't you just admit, we're screwed I'm gonna tell ya this anyway It's a sad world, and it's scarier every day Screw whatcha say will be okay Can't you see that we're so- Yeah, yeah, eh

1:22:35 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world Something scarier every day Don't let yourself be okayed