Charlotte Iserbyt | The Education Conspiracy, Dumbing Down America, & The Order

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01:57 Alright, Hiresight Chatters. We know the political corporate and controller classes have never had our best interests at heart and we live in a world awash with weaponized campaigns to keep us down. Fluoride in the water other chemicals in the food and sky and most recently pulsing radiation waves throughout the so-called civilized world And as dire and obvious as these problems might be to us enlightened few, we have to remember to have patience with our friends family and fellow citizens because one of the most effective and long-standing campaigns we've been victim too is the finely tuned systematic brainwashing by think tanks and behavioral scientists that has taken over the education system.

02:36 Because if you want to control a people start with the kids and in a generation you've got the indoctrinated flag waving authority trusting obedient worker class always wanted. That has been the goal that capstone cabal has been working towards longer than any of us have been alive and today's guest charlotte thompson is there be knows all too well If you're not familiar with Charlotte's background, she served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement for the U.S. Department of Education during the first Reagan administration where she blew the whistle on a major technology initiative that would control curriculum in America's classrooms called Project BEST—Better Education Skills Through Technology

03:18 She is also a former school board director in Camden, Maine and was co-founder and research analyst for Guardians of Education for Maine from 1978 to 2000. She has also served in the American Red Cross in Guam and Japan during the Korean War, in the United States Foreign Service in Belgium, and in the Republic of South Africa. Charlotte is also a speaker and writer who has been taken on the education indoctrination issue for most of her life Best known for a 700-plus page book that I consider probably the best resource for this conspiratorial campaign entitled The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, A Chronological Paper Trail. She also has some incredible insights into the Skull and Bones Secret Society of Yale University as her father and grandfather were both members of The Order

04:05 A fascinating woman who's been working on our behalf for decades, a whistleblower in the truest sense of the word and a real education advocate. Charlotte welcome to The Higher Side. Well thank you so much that was a marvelous concise record of my wanderings around since I got back after 20 years abroad with the foreign service etc I had the biggest shock in my life, right? In the 70s when I innocently put my children in a public school system which people still think it really is geared to education but from 1965 on with the Elementary and Secondary Education Act

04:49 It changed. That's when they decided that they had to put the method in which would be useful for corporate fascist communist workforce training, which is going in now across the board with charter schools and school choice so when I got back...I really saw the beginning of it. I couldn't quite understand why our school superintendent who was out of Harvard right? Change agent He wanted to put in the individualized education, which is no grades and children all working on their own at their own pace. And I thought that was getting rid of competition etc., but I really knew nothing about what I know now that it's a Soviet system. No competition we got hold later on the Soviet education plan, a farmer in Ohio happened to be looking for stuff about seeds

05:44 And he found this document on Soviet education. It was a report by American educators who were sent over in 1959 by the Commissioner of Education to the Soviet Union, just study their system right after Eisenhower had signed the first agreement between United States and Soviet Union on education cultural affairs etc. So that was tremendous find by this farmer And it's at my son's website, americandeception.com At the time the American educators were still pretty good right? And they came back and they said well this certainly because you've got some of that text in my book of their report This is total opposite Of what we've been involved with for years traditional academic education So I really didn't like it that much

06:42 I will go on to explain how i found out but im just trying to redefine education for people and we can thank donald trump and betsy devos and of course. Before that all the leftists who were putting in the communist system it wasn't just the method, the method itself was put in 1965 the skinner method performance based thats when they changed right From what you know in your head, to what you can do. How you can perform like an animal. And so when I got into the school board one day...I was complaining about things like lifeboat games The children were pretending that they were in a ship and the ship was going down and there's only one lifeboat that took ten people and there were fifteen people So they have to decide who is gonna live or die That kind of thing

07:40 I didn't like these programs, most of these programs at that time i did not know because i didn't know it was going to be in the department of ed later. We're coming out with what would subsequently be my old office, my new office right? So I've been out of the country 20 years. What has happened to my country? You know, so I get a phone call and I'm always terrified when you get a phone call because usually I was going to get beat up mind you folks this is 1976 in Camden Maine right on the beautiful coast of Maine where nobody would ever dream such things were going on except we were about according to a bird if i were seagulls I could get to Osborne North Haven etc in probably two minutes.

08:23 That's where all the insiders live. You have Rockefeller, Watson former ambassador of Soviet Union and all these corporate types these big business guys they live there multi-billionaires I do believe that had a lot to do with making my little school district Camden and then it became a district Camden Rockport certainly one of the major pilots for change in education in United States I've often thought we were it but i don't want to get the gold star thank you. But what i saw was so devastating including health education that had this is at least for eleventh graders, who would be first grade now? That the students should understand the three types of sexual intercourse including with animals. Yeah me yeah that's a shocker

09:20 That is a shocker which relates to everything we are looking at right now, including the great Dutch banker spilled the beans. Remember? Yes I did see that video. That type of thinking blew my mind! So at that point i had...I was on school board but it also formed a group called Maine Conservative Union which was very traditional and we had you know military people lawyers etc in Maine joined together. We tried to stop, give away the Panama Canal. We were opposed to regional government big we were fighting that but then when this came across my desk with a health education, we decided to disband this wonderful political group. We had Maine Conservative Union at least emerge it and it became Guardians of Education for Maine and then I was still on board and I get a call

10:17 And you say it's from leftist change agents really new people in town none of the old time may not love me when they had to move out because the taxes got so high, record a newcomer coming and you know that story but i had to move out i couldn't get elected dog catcher. I lost my base which were true good great may nurse lobster man et cetera who could count thinking you know understood reality And so I'm getting all these nasty phone calls, bad articles written about me. I hate children in the local newspaper." So this woman...I was scared and she said, "'I just want to thank you for what you're doing on the school board.'" And I thought, huh? What's wrong here? And I said, well, thank you very much! She said, well, you're absolutely correct. She said, I've been a master teacher. I worked all around the world

11:13 and you're going against everything properly, but I don't think you understand what you're looking at." And I said no. I don't understand what I'm looking at and she said well i'm going to pay for you to go for change agent training down east. Down East is going north which is very strange that's how we are in Maine. She paid a hundred dollars for me to go that was a lot back then for her pull out of her pocket? She had taught all over the world Her name was Selma Ham. I should give her credit on some interview, yep she's gone now. So she paid for me to go. I went to this in-service training a lot of very nice teachers and principals from our own school district and i want to point out there are still a lot of great educators out there most of them were out of it but at that time you probably had 70% good in the seventies you probably have about seven percent

12:06 Good now, but because i've been through all the brainwashing actually i was going to brainwashing that day myself so i get there and. The guy is using this textbook that was put together by ronald have a lot of professor at university michigan anna arbor add it with cold innovations in education and it was developed he got the money from us off of education at time which subsequently become the department where i work It was paid for by the US office of ed and it was a training manual and he was using that at the end service training so. He was trying out how to identify the resister in our community, i'm not be there with this jersey sex ad that we didn't need we didn't even have a pregnancy in town at that time right

13:01 drug education we have a problem with that either all these programs that they gave us it came out of what was something become my office in the US department bed or not necessary they were necessary because they cause the problem they claim to be. Getting rid off and i have a direct quote on that in my book from the guidance counselor where are they said right in there that we will use Death education, that was one of the big fancy ones. Take the kids to a cemetery and lie down on tombs into the mortuary and all that stuff? That didn't last long parents really did not like that they were trying to get death ed in because that's all different religions etc and funeral services it's all globalism right They said right there The guidance counselor says we will use death education to change the attitudes and values of students towards deaths and dying

13:56 The same way we use education you can try to change their attitude and values toward sex. And very sexual practices how i ever got my hands on that guidance counselors journal i don't know but i did so that tells you exactly, What all these programs that had nothing to do with academics were put in there for and that was deliberate. They created this culture that we have with our young people, banned hundreds of thousands millions of young people who have lost their way because of the public school curriculum when we were trying to identify the resistors I knew that was me i was a resistor

14:50 When I came back from the Far East, I was out there during the Korean War. I think I mentioned that with the Strategic Air Command in Guam and northern Japan and when I came back from that assignment, I was on a freighter to Vietnam going from Hong Kong to Marseilles it was a month I was on that freighter in third class And so I had the opportunity to talk to refugees coming out of Communist China and Vietnam And the food was marvelous, as you can imagine. Even in third class. They told me these ghastly stories about one woman that was coming out of China She was taking her daughter to the conservatory music in Paris To study piano and she said that her grandfather was an opponent to Mao Zedong The regime That they cut his hands off He was a pianist Cut his hands off...He resisted

15:49 Vietnam woman her grandfather was involved in the municipal government and he was opposed to what the communist were doing so they cut head off. Add a march around town in a pole at all of this what basically to warn people do not read that. So here i'm being taught the changes are turning up in port maine how to identify their sister Well, I was a resistor so here i'm being taught to identify myself. I never got over it You know we formed guardians of education for Maine We stopped the horrible health education you know learning about The three types of sexual intercourse including with animals we stopped that program in a third of the districts This was in the 70s Then I went down thinking Ronald Reagan was going to save the world and I had got this job which I had access to everything past present future

16:46 Add the documents were very important because they were left behind stupidly by you could say the former president of university chicago or stanford harvard my position senior policy advisor that slot had been filled by these very communist types in that office and seven i mean prior to me These were the people who had that job. These were big shots and they left everything behind so I had access to all these documents, unbelievable what i mean and then I get involved you know of course looking at what Reagan is putting in and it's all the school choice charter schools vouchers, the Skinner method for the workforce training of course

17:41 And other terrible programs that I did not approve of, the Nation at Risk was the phoniest great big bandwagon. They got everybody to think that education at that point in time was a terrible failure and it wasn't! It wasn't that bad, it was pretty darn good. Sandia Institute, you know they do all their research? An admiral, I can't remember his name... He wrote a report on this and pointed out that that was the biggest fake report that was ever put together by T.H. Bell, who Reagan appointed as Secretary of Education... Actually, Bell was very close to my major enemy right now whose name is Edward Meese who has been with the Heritage Foundation which is also... That's the Trojan horse we'll get into that. Been with the Heritage Foundation since probably 1980 and he's still there! And he's all involved in supporting the community-oriented policing system which I am also fighting so

18:39 I ended up in that office and I came across this Better Education Skills through Technology grant that was putting the development of courseware for the curriculum for every school in the nation. And, I don't know if I would have done much with it or leaked it had I not come upon a page that said confidential. And then I thought hmm? Look, the U.S Department of Ed is unconstitutional in the first place! What is this confidential page?! It said right there, this federal government. What we can control and manipulate at the local level. Wow! And I thought having been on a local school board, wow they put it right there in my face and it's that selection of task force members curriculum content everything

19:35 I thought that i was gonna leak it anyway because of the technology part which is all skinner operant conditioning computer stuff on. What are you doing out of my office before i leaked it, i was given an office by a really nice gal who always remember she helped me start the main conservative union and ultimately turned she met some conservative whatever you wanna call it They're really Trotskyites, okay? They're Dominionists. Whatever they are." She met this guy and all of her wonderful values and everything that I knew her as when she visited me in Maine and helped me start the Maine Conservative Union...she got me into the Department of Ed too. She was White House personnel. And so she—this is before she met this guy that fell off a cliff and became really what I consider our enemy

20:29 She got me a little office the white house she worked with me on my letter to reagan eight pager. And she believe it or not was able to get the letters through to him that was very difficult to do at that time even if you had a code number so he was responsible for that and getting into the department itself, Now she's high up in heritage and i don't even dare talk to her can you imagine this is someone i had so much regard for. Because heritage is the trojan horse we could talk about that later until the end of time, so i go home never got an answer from the president i waited i'm really skipping around here thirty five years

21:13 I guess i'm pretty patient yeah, i waited 35 years to write the reagan library about why didn't get an answer did they have anything on the record well by golly they didn't send it to me this time a copy of handwritten note from president reagan to edwin me so i just talking about who is a big lol everywhere at all times from nineteen eighty two thousand what are we eighteen reagan want to meet with me but miss blocked So I found that out 35 years later. Wow! Actually you can find that all you have to type in Patriots or Manchurian candidates It's a big article i wrote which has the picture of the note from Reagan to me it's very important one, I wrote it warning people and warning Trump Vet your candidates be careful look who you are appointing Right so

22:16 You got fired for leaking this document about project best education skills through technology so how frustrating has it been for you, that you see a lot of these control tools that you knew about decades ago now they're rolled out to the cell phones and the tablets in recent years. And you see this state of kids today when you've been talking about this technology-based conditioning for 30 years, I mean this Pavlovian psychological response reward system today this is social media. That's right i have and i never understood that much about skinner and operant conditioning prior to going into the department

22:55 What happened is one day a letter came across my desk and it was from teacher by the name of Ann Herser from Arizona. She was considered to be wonderful teacher, she was teaching a lot of the Mexican kids in Phoenix and doing a wonderful job with them. They dragged her into Skinner training, the first program called Exemplary Center for Reading Instruction out of Utah and she and her friends, good teachers had to go through this. And they thought, oh what is this? They even had I've even got these documents they were ordering supplies the different little booklets at all how to train pigeons how to train animals these were the materials that are being ordered by these teachers for the exemplary center for reading instruction program well anyway

23:48 Her understood completely because they were not letting them sit together, they knew the teachers or what's that move around and all this i'm so she quit teaching. Then i was in apartment a real dodo i really didn't know much about skin although i found out of it because i want to come brown bag lunches in the basement of the department where the big honcho William Spady, Mr. Mastery Learning was having a little session down there showing people how wonderful the Skinner Method is so I had seen that but anyway what happens is this letter comes across my desk it was sent from Ann Herger the teacher to Eldon Rodd congressman

24:31 In regard to this horrible program they were experimenting on sort of the inner city kids you know the mexicans or whatever he got whatever. And she had been doing a wonderful job teaching them to read and everything and then she had do that is she a doctor statement about how did kids were throwing up getting sick they hide hi i was all attached to this package but she sent through the elder gardener right well that package came across my desk I looked at it, and I didn't know her yet. And then I thought well...I better do something about that but i think ill wait until I go home and call her from home. Im glad I did because she's very hot headed. I love her! But you know she is a very hot-headed person. And I said I've got this document here, this curriculum and your letter is fantastic what on earth is going on? Then I made the big mistake of saying oh I don't think secretary T.H. Bell knows anything about that. She blew.

25:32 You're kidding. He's responsible! Reagan brought him in because Ed Meese wanted him." I thought, oh what have i run into with this teacher? Well...I didn't talk to her again. I said oh well yeah maybe and so that was sort of the end of that but then I managed to get myself fired because I leaked the document. I went home. I called her and we had a long talk and I became very close to her like sisters Add all the documents her father in law was a doctor and he had all the animal laboratory training materials at what it does, who animals she was real expert i have to say is she educated me anyway after i was out i wrote. A little book called back to basics reform

26:25 in 1985 this was, or Scenarion International Curriculum. Necessary for United States participation in a one world socialist government scheduled to the early years of the 21st century." It was only 39 pages and it's a hot potato! It's on my website at deliveredumbingdown.com free. Well I wrote that and then all of a sudden I noticed that the conservative movement they hated that book they boycotted it bang Bennett, the whole crowd. You know Finn Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly was a good friend of mine basically I still have high regard for the work she did prior to getting involved in education. Phyllis did good work in the political field defense and all but anyway it was Eagle Forum that got the word out to boycott Back To Basics because you see it happened under Ronald Reagan

27:19 I wasn't going after him in it. I was just telling the country, the parents what was happening and what was coming down the pike? For instance that critical thinking is not a really great way to go. Lenin defined critical thinking. Lenin! Everybody thinks it's so great, critical thinking? No he said its non-absolutist evolutionary thinking Everything evolved well that sounds ok you know some people but when this started the critical thinking movement there were a lot of teachers that we're posted because they knew, if they were trying to change those teachers attitude values and beliefs. Yes this is interesting the editor of my book who is absolutely brilliant give her great credit for what she did get that put together at the publisher both

28:16 She's from Georgia and she took that little book back to basics, a 38-pager. Her butcher down the street read it and said wow! That's fantastic oh boy that's a 38 page bomb so the editor said just lastly because Eagle Farm was saying nobody is going to understand what she sang in there And so she said, well the butcher down the street understood it just fine. That book had it been allowed to get out I'm not kidding you we never would have had what we have now We've gotten rid of academics were going into workforce training in Soviet system One of the educators at Department of Education got four million dollars a grant doing a paper on the Soviet Polytechnical education system

29:06 So the Department of Ed has been up to its eyeballs in that knowing school choice and charters is the only way to get it, because charter schools you don't have an elected board. So the parents can't complain at least in a public school system. It's the same curriculum. The charter schools are going to have to have the identical curriculum that their public schools have because they're federally funded. And I have the original legislation coming out of the Department of Health and Human Services, you know on daycare standards. Daycare is any institution that takes care of children between whatever age and age for 12 hours or 14 or whatever of the day. And it says that because its federally funded everything that goes on during that period must conform with federal requirements

30:01 or else the money is pulled. That means curriculum, which have hanging on the walls even what you eat so these pathetic parents and I don't blame them because the Heritage Foundation led them down this path they all went up against Common Core that was the biggest diversion our nation has ever had and i say that unqualified biggest diversion that ever happened They got the parents off on the diversion there. Five Common Core, which we've had ever since 1965 with a national assessment just keeps changing and now it has computers right? That diversion kept the parents from understanding to fight against charter schools with unelected boards. Anyway that was my office and from that time on We went all the way up until the year 2000 with fantastic researchers

30:57 who were doing their own research, we would all help each other. No matter what someone got sick the other person would take the radio interview We didn't have all of the research that we have now It was a lot of work that had to be done back then Great Patriots some dead now Now we've go these newbies like Heritage and Pioneer Heartland you name it All these groups that are controlled by the neoconservative Trotskyites And there goal is Trotskyite Maybe hard for you to believe, but that's the truth. And I have the proof! One thing that happened was when in the mid-90s...I wrote two things. One was I wrote Phyllis Schlafly in regard to the charter schools and said, Phyllis be careful. You've got eagles in every state who really hate this. You've got to support them she wouldn't. But attached to that particular letter it's at my website It says, Isabeeta Schlafly That's what it is

31:58 Attach to that letter i wrote which was an eight pager explaining to her this is the loss of representative government, who charter school implementation of the soviet polytech system workforce training lifelong for our children no choice. Like eugene boys and georgia said in communist countries they do not train for jobs that don't exist So it's the quota system, but whatever. That is out of Professor Eugene Boyce's mouth." Well I was trying to tell Phyllis that this is what charter schools are all about where she wouldn't listen but attached to that letter for her I had about 30 pages of letters

32:41 from Secretary of Education Lamar Alexander, William Bennett, Chester Finn, Empower America, Larry Kudlow all the Libertarians etc. supporting the Washington Education Association's plan for charter schools and also the lifelong community education agenda I have all these letters with their signatures All these people that Americans think are great, you know what you call them? Conservatives. So I knew then and sent that to Phyllis. I sent her my letter which explained a lot Now we got ahold of that document It was one of those flukes The editor of my book and another friend Australian gal brilliant researcher They went to an Empower America meeting This is a big conservative group Empower America People can look it up Don't know if it exists anymore but that was in the 90's

33:41 And they were late getting there so this top change agent educator. Who's running the show or whoever i was with in paramerica probably real leftist type i don't know. Oh well you know it sorry you missed the first presentation look don't worry about all send a whole packet any did. How can we got it we got it we have yet we have the so called conservative who say they hate me They hate the public education system, etc. We have them all going on board with the NES plan for school choice and charters! How many people know that the NEA supports school choice and charters? So I'm trying to say...I mean what i've gone through with these conservatives you know I'm a slow learner once I learn I've got it but I am always looking positive but now I know

34:43 That the Trojan horse in this country, that doesn't mean I like the left. I can't stand them but i've always felt that way why would I have started the main conservative union in the 70s? The only really conservative group the state ever had but then Fair Heritage knocked it out right because they didn't want a really conservative group in this state And then my son gets two murder attempts. Last one really almost did him in and Heritage Foundation in Maine has a luncheon, he goes there and tries to tell the truth get people to know because it was a complete boycott across the country about those two murder attempts The last one was... He was really dead So he wants to go to the luncheon and try to explain to the people what happened Well he starts talking, he's told to shut up and sit down! He is a Marine combat vet for Gulf War

35:33 How do you like that? So they are really dirty. Yes, that really tells you how dirty they are Absolutely and it has been just such a wild ride for you and you have a really impressive resume. And, in deliberate dumbing down in the book you refer to this education conspiracy as a war and to quote you write The reason Americans do not understand this war is because it has been fought in secret in the schools of our nation targeting our children who are captive in classrooms The wagers of this war are using very sophisticated and effective tools. And I wanted to ask you if you could maybe talk about those tools themselves that people might not be aware of? I will, I have an article it's called Devil's Seven-Pound Fork It's probably my favorite. This explains it a bit...I was doing an interview like this about 25 years ago

36:31 I'm beating up on the audience like your parody and we can take it i think come on folks get on board don't understand what i'm trying to say tell them about her and so then i thought, you know those poor people. I keep telling them this over and over i was like a bolt out of the sky it's really not their fault that i got mad at myself when is there for arguing myself and realize no because you said They have done this, I call it the devil's seven pronged fork but it really is about 12 prongs now. But I'll go through the major ones one of course gradualism frog in the cold water right heat up slowly people don't even know they're fried The other is semantic deception like we were talking about critical thinking

37:23 Watch out. Or some of these basics, basics? Oh yeah! Reading and writing... oh no that's globalism for them the global basics right so you have a semantic deception you have the fog you have semantic deception you have the dialectic all course the Hegelian dialectic You know what I'm talking about but your listeners may not. Right I finally realized i had to do it easy way. After i was married my husband, we were living in Europe and Belgium and i was doing the laundry and i threw a red sweater with his white shirt and naturally you know he wasn't happy so he said pretty politely look honey i know your busy but look you just don't touch the laundry anymore

38:13 You don't have to do laundry for me. Well, my two sons were very young then they heard that too and they said yeah mom don't you ever dare do our laundry again? Well that gets the audience lucky you that is what you call the dialectic now what if I hadn't wanted to do laundry again ever right That's just what i'd do wouldn't i i throw red sweater in with my husband white shirts create the problem he screamed He says don't you ever dare doing again that is really the director you create a problem people scream and you impose the solution u walk now had i been really wanting never to do laundry again exactly what i would have done because it's a little bit of them. I never have to do laundry again right so the dialectic is key and you see everyday everywhere i'm sure you say yeah,

39:09 George hagel you know i don't talk about the german philosophers with this is too much for people to deal with. Actually there's nothing going on in this country right now i don't think it may be a local community ride, which isn't that had gail and dialectic the media loaded weather so that's very important then we go onto endless money supply the feds right we got under control of media I always use the David Rockefeller quote in Baden-Baden, where he thanked the top journalists and all TV etc. paper for keeping his world government agenda under wraps we know that he said that in Baden-Baden 1992 and then you have of course the Federal Reserve plenty money I may have mentioned

40:00 Then you have the Skinner method, which is dog training. It's not education but you can't have the workforce training, the Soviet Polytech system going in without that method Now as I said or maybe i didn't Ronald Reagan signed agreements with Gorbachev in 1985 to merge the two education systems. They were called Educational, Cultural and Scientific Agreements and they also dealt with planners going back and forth through the Soviet Union municipal planning regional government which is communism so he signed that agreement now The Heritage Foundation was solidly behind that in fact I think they set up an office in Moscow after So thats one of those things that I have on heritage right?

40:48 But then we, all of us patriots back then. We had a great band of people. We put an ad in the Washington Times who paid $5,000 for that to stop it but we couldn't educate people because all the conservative groups were boycotting every single thing we tried to do to let the country know that these agreements had been signed now The first one was signed by Eisenhower in 58 as I mentioned earlier Then people said the Soviet Union was dead. You know, even after the agreements were signed we had Russian teachers in our schools here in Maine teaching the teachers how to put workforce training in. How many people know this stuff? Not many. That was in 1987! It's all going on now it's all going under standards-based education and I mean people don't understand that you

41:44 They can give it any name they want. Performance based, results based, competency based, outcome-based standards based you name it! It's all the same, it's all Skinner Pavlov so it's going in across the country now thank you Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos when he did that he broke the back of our constitutional system of government basically because we will have no representation A lot of people don't know this, the Department of Education budget this year exceeds that of defense. Now I'm sorry i have to qualify this That's at the national state and local level combined education It is over 1 trillion dollars now their defense budget is lagging behind a little bit with 900 billion. What do your children not know? Everything!

42:39 All they have had happen is be brainwashed, to have filthy disgusting morals and values. Have everything their parents ever taught them ripped out from them it's not their fault! It's the fault of... Well you know what? It's the fault of people who boycotted this information And i'm mad. I hear ya and you mentioned workforce training of course that was my experience felt like all i was doing was being prepared to get some shit job right, and now we hear this talk about cash for grades i mean this is it directly like just pay kids for good obedience oh yes so they're ready for their cashier's job and another paycheck

43:22 You're right, I mean Arne Duncan had the nerve under Obama to recommend paying the kids for good grades. Look i found out...I don't know why we have to find out these things? I am a weird bird! Why? In 1981 no sorry 2001 yeah I'm getting older I picked up the local paper Brunswick Maine which we used to have the big naval air station here, the best in the world. Really great! We don't need more because leftists got rid of that one but there was an article in a paper about the community-oriented policing system it said that the police and remember this is going on all over the country now and this is what Edwin Meath supports and this is where Charlotte Israelis behaves

44:14 This is the East German spy on your neighbor system. It's a public-private partnership between the either dumb people or commie leftists in a community who aren't elected, working with the police to make a nicer little environment for the little community. You usually have about eight or ten in big city of these little stations for the COPS program. Well anyway when I found out about it said that this new program in Burnsville, Maine is going to have... The police are giving gold medals to citizens who do good deeds And I thought, hmm. Who determines? And then I read a little further down and it said the police determine what the good deed is. And then I wrote this letter in opposition. I think to myself boy i'm not going to get much of a gold medal for this one if they publish my letter on paper and I started checking it out and I've been trying to warn people about the community oriented policing system. I'm not the first one to do it. I'm one of the first I guess. A lieutenant works

45:19 San Diego police detective. It's on my website, all this stuff under cops." He wrote a wonderful article about this and he quoted from a sociologist way back in the 70s. He is the founder of community-oriented policing system and he is a communist. And his name is Trojanowitz, T-R-O-J-A-N-O-W-I-T-Z. Androgeno says that the new word for our existence is community. We have to get rid of the family and the old values what you're looking at right now this stinking mess, huh? I hope you don't mind my language it's not really too bad is it no let it fly so then I find out from the selectmen on the Brunswick City Council who's one of us

46:13 He sends me through the papers at the board meeting where the police came in and they were all setting up this new system. Well, it was really great to have those papers but of course they didn't mention her Johnowitz it's all total quality management which again is communism And i found out about that in my job because when i was down the department the national training lab well actually, the reason made it so bad if we have a national training labs and bathroom anywhere everybody go skiing. That was set up by OSS type way back when add is the group process which is all of sensitivity training crap and everything and they send doctors lawyers everybody from all over the world

47:01 Teachers of course, nurses all over the world go there for human relations training. Well that's sensitivity training that's a group process that China by the way we have a very good article it in my book from Mary Barry the head of the national education association in the seventies she went over to china and then she came back with got direct quotes from her she says were moving slowly towards the chinese system Another one, my Australian friend went to a community education meeting in the 70s in Washington. Don't forget community education and cops are connected so that's her genre which we're looking at too and worked who is such an honest wonderful great detective who outed the whole thing but anyway she goes this conference on community ed in Washington and there all these guys and girls there and uh theres a community educator he's from Alaska

48:01 And he's telling all the educators about the importance of community education. So one of the members in the audience says, well what is it? He said it's a Chinese communist system. Okay now I've seen it! I know it is. Mary Berry said it was! The head of the NEA... All these quotes are in my book So we know the system is pretty bad but you know there's a lot of young people listening who maybe are in their early thirties, maybe they have young kids of their own. Are there any programs that you would advise them to look into or any advice you would have for someone? Yes maybe they're homeschooling or maybe they're not but if I got their kids in the public school system and let me tell you something my daughter-in-law

48:51 My two grandchildren were put into a Rudolf Steiner school, you know new age stuff. Waldorf and I was upset about it but i let them do it just so I'm not going to help pay for it thank you well took about five years for her to get smart and get them out So they're back in the public school system The same school system where I was on the school board right? And kids are really happy at least their happy and I haven't heard any horror stories yet But I have the old math books from this professor whose name is Scape's at Columbia in 1932. He was considered number one on math skills and I had that series of books in the 70s, and I remember teaching my kids were learning multiplication tables division all this stuff you know how many quarts of Clorox do you need for 3,000 square foot Roman? You know problem-solving!

49:47 It's seven years of this and he really truly was considered the number one professor in mathematics in the United States at the time. Well, of course they've got a dozen eggs for 20 cents because they haven't updated but that is a series of books that are very expensive now I want my son Sam who has the website americandeception.com He also put up the list of all the members of The Order at Yale, skull and bones. We often wonder if that might not have something to do with attempting to kill him twice? That's not American deception too. All the names were their backgrounds. Nobody ever had that before but anyway... And other I think it's called Quest of a Nation by Constanza Boyle I think her name is. A wonderful history, American history

50:39 And then we have a marvelous book written by Matt James. One of his sons is high up, went to MIT and all involved in extraordinarily high mathematical scientific research etc., that's one of the shows... Matt James wrote a marvelous book about homeschooling Then we have Sam Blumenfeld's Alphaphonics Now Sam was a very close friend of mine He wrote the foreword to my book. He's a great writer himself, great scholar as far as American education is concerned, Samuel Blumenfeld and he has his wonderful reading program Alpha Phonics. He's dead now. He died three years ago too bad so I do get that out to people now homeschoolers as well as ones who have the children in school

51:32 I used that math program with my own boys, my son Sam and the one i'm talking about is now 50. And I remember we had a little place on the lake and I was always worried that curriculum was going to fall in water but I get them out there on the float. And I'd make them do their multiplication tables and everything else you know... We have a lot of fun! But they went through that Add that is what the parents need you know they're gonna tell you all you don't need that now use calculator this is practical stuff. That anyone who's good in building houses are working or whatever they know that you know how are you gonna clean up three thousand square foot gym if you don't have much car accident right right right yeah after measure it down and I think maybe so

52:26 There is, in my book a teacher. He was invited to a meeting of the Progressive Education Association and he thought it meant something good. He didn't know it was communists and he went! And he did a little talk on math I think...and he was called into a meeting at 2am the next morning right after the conference by John Dewey, the head of the CFR education department And I think Thorndike, who used to train pigeons. And they said... Oh his name is O'Nelson. First initials is O', I don't know what that's for. Nelson! They said they were really interested in this presentation and they wanted to talk about new math curriculum So he tells them what he thinks is important and they say NELSON WAKE UP That's exactly what we DON'T want Okay so

53:32 I would have been about putting that my book because i didn't know all nelson's dad well finally i found a friend of his another teacher. I want to document it down in florida and talk with guys at all yeah exactly what happened yes, is the true story you could publish it So there you have at the progressive education association meeting and what nineteen forty something. This math teacher being called in a two am by these big shots really big shot john dewey thorndike, i'm not a cfr education section they think it's so smart they want to do some work for him put the new map then well they got it because listen to that but that is an extraordinary story itself

54:22 There's so many like that i mean a lot of the stuff im talking about is in my book but, the tragedy now is that the system to add people become accustomed to the word you have to standard. Who who set the standards exactly i got hold of the standards and nineteen seventy one they came out of northwest regional lab in oregon and i gotta holder commissioner education letter to this wonderful researcher friend of ours and he gives all the history of the 18,000 goals that were developed at the Northwest Regional Lab and sent out into every single school in nation. That was a beginning of goals-based outcomes based competency based performance based and your listeners are probably getting pretty bored by now education when you see that no

55:22 That's Skinner and that bypasses the brain, you know And even Rob Tyler who was a behavioral psychologist admitted that there's no transfer It's like with your dog The only thing that he can remember is the next time you see the dog biscuit coming out of the box He's gonna sit reward based animal training. You have to give them credit but it's totally evil If the Soviet system it works well for workforce training There will always be 10% that they need you know good little communist out of the order or wherever you want. We know who they are, there in every country they're the ones who are running all globe and our children with their wonderful talent happy faces used to have are the victims

56:15 Well hey i feel just so lucky to have been able to spend time with you and know you've gotta be feeling the fatigue it's quite a marathon session but i'm so thankful also no, gotta give a shout out to our mutual friend russell put us in contact don't love him yes what wonderful guy. Your book is highly, highly recommended. Again it is a free PDF online and then of course your son Sam's website is AmericanDeception.com where you can find the PDFs and scans of many documents people don't know exist And he has risked his life to get that out there so you'd be better off spending some time checking it out rather than seeing what's on Netflix this evening. I was going to say actually it's really James Bond

57:03 Episode is what it really is. It's fascinating its better than any film on netflix full of espionage and entry no doubt, A lot of intrigue that's not now what you can talk to i hope you will and i really enjoyed talking do it in fun doing at the square like a. Oh let me ask how are things in california where the fire bad. Yeah women we saw over the news is very bad but it is not really in my local area but it is very bad some people think that there's a coordinated effort there as well

57:41 I know i know what you don't want somebody bad things go on it's hard not to. I mean the world is very different from where used to be and so when we have this abrupt shift in, events happening, you know one after the other. You can only say well this didn't used to be this way what's wrong? Right. We may be wrong we may be right I don't know. You gotta be skeptical Well stay in touch and if you ever come east! You're always welcome here on the river where a very beautiful area which is really conservation There are only four places in the world that are like this. One is interesting enough, Sacramento where the rivers meet and then you've got the Tigris-New Euphrates

58:25 Amazon and here wow that would be amazing so hopefully i can accept an invitation sometime in make good on that it would be a real pleasure to meet you in the flash. You have a standing invitation to come visit you better do it before dad i'm gonna try i'm gonna try hopefully i got awhile thank you very much i let you go now stay in touch please do alright take care yourself Okay, I will. You too! Charlotte Iserbyt people an impressive resume and lifetime of compelling anecdotes. I obviously had a long list of questions we didn't get to but i'm really just a crutch to lean on when a guest doesn't know what they want to talk about And this was a big deal to me personally. I think John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte are the one-two punch of the education conspiracy

59:25 John of course is in his eighties as well and that's why I had his editor David Rodriguez on. David was great but i am so humbled to be able to add Charlotte Iserbyt to the long list of guests that I can hardly believe I've gotten to speak with at all Of course this interview was hooked up by a listener who knows her personally, thanks again Russell. You know one of the things I had in my notes that i didn't get to bring up she touched on it and mentioned that she was really shocked by what her own kids were getting in public schools but here's a more thorough quote from the book where she says

1:00:01 In 1973, I started the long journey into becoming a resister placing the first incriminating piece of paper in my education files. That first piece of paper was a purple ditto sheet entitled All About Me next to which was a smiley face. It was an open-ended questionnaire beginning with My name is blank. My son brought it home from public school in fourth grade. The questions were highly personal, so much so that they encouraged my son to lie since he didn't want to spill the beans about his mother father and brother. The purpose of such a questionnaire was to find out the student's state of mind how he felt what he liked and disliked and what his values were

1:00:47 With this knowledge, it would be easier for the government school to modify his values and behavior at will without of course the student's knowledge or parent's consent. And to me, this was just a great example for a couple of reasons. One, this is 1973 well before I was even born Two we've all seen these sorts of questionnaires So i think it's something that everybody's familiar with and can say that yeah that happens Kids do get these in school and three In the internet age when data and information are so valuable and always being used against us It's a real eye-opener to see the clarity in that process and then just extrapolate it out to where we are now and where were going with this digitization of everything. And I did try to get into the realms of social media and technology, but i'm not sure how much Charlotte really engages with cutting edge of that anyway But I think she caught this coming through school system a long time ago and probably knows but definitely wouldn't be surprised

1:01:50 that these control techniques have been rolled out to everyone now that we have these damn smartphones. So you know, I did want to get more of her thoughts in that area but in the second hour... We went from education to skull and bones because she has a lot to say about that topic too. Sign up for the Higher Side Chats Plus at thehighersidechatsplus.com, to get the second hour of this podcast episode and all the podcast episodes I do but in this one we got into The Coming Quota System, Charlotte's experiences with Bonesmen as a young girl them just being around the house her

1:02:26 Her grandfather's involvement with opening up gold mines in South Africa, the forbidden books she wasn't supposed to go near. Her son Sam's belief in aliens The Heritage Foundation and the Council for National Policy all great topics And I did get to ask her if she thinks magic is real, which i didn't expect to come up at all. But I had to take the shot because I just thought it was a very THC question To someone who served at such a high level under Reagan who respected magic astrology at least and also A descendant of at least two generations of bones men? I mean you gotta ask

1:03:07 So I loved it. Kinda have to give her a pass on some things because she is a product of a different era, she's 87 years young...I don't think she was hearing me all that well at times but it could've been Skype. I wouldn't be surprised either way. I did also want to throw out there that the first Hireside Chats joint session will be on the 31st at 7pm Pacific Standard Time using Zoom Anyone can call in, join the room and watch live. It will be archived for Plus Members. I will put the links everywhere that's THC related. You can come join live as i take calls. Hopefully you have crazy stories or some research thread you're on... ...or some paranormal experience

1:03:57 I want to hear that stuff. So anything you got, we will chat it up. I'm hoping this is a lot of fun! I have gotten some great emails over the years about really fascinating things and i hope that the calls are of a similar breed but besides that I got two more shows coming out to you this month one return guest and one brand new one who is quite provocatively far out there in his positions Doesn't mean he's right or wrong, but he pushes the proverbial envelope quite far and I think you're gonna dig it. Until then...I've done my part Your move education crafters Skinner Method sleazeballs and Pavlovian people trainers your fucking move Have a drink in the smoke Listen to the cast We shine a shiny spotlight Put criminals on blast

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