Bruce Fenton | Exogenesis: Hybrid Humans, Ancient Aliens, & The Mothership

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01:27 These are the Hireside Chats. Rock me like a hurricane, Hireside Chatters! How the hell are ya? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood just trying to navigate the vast and choppy conspiracy A task not made easy by our highly troubled times, but as they say this too shall pass. Yet some mysteries do seem damn near eternal! Why is our planet so radically rich with life compared to every other one we can see? Why are we humans so exponentially different from every other living being we know? And as we dive deeper into a digital reality why does our DNA seem more and more like some sort of pre-constructed intelligently engineered code?!

02:07 It's these sort of questions that will always be worthy of an exploration, because I fear that the puzzle may never fully be complete. But there is a good case to be made that while we're told human progress has been a one-way trip to the top, We've actually been devolving from a time when ascended masters or alien gods gave us the proverbial golden apple. Examinations of Egyptian culture, Kabbalah, Hermetics Greek philosophy and a variety of ancient texts do tend to seem a bit more dense and advanced than a modern materialist mindset Or a man in the cloud spiritual model Many cultures who have held tightly to their traditions do have myths and legends of sky people, cosmic custodians or leaders depicted in ways that seem more than human. And well maybe we should listen because good luck understanding the end of a movie if you miss the beginning Well today We have with us Bruce Fenton A very savvy human story reconstructor who has been focused on the answers to these questions for quite some time

03:05 Along with his wife Daniela, they have been investigating the deepest mysteries of history and science. Tackling those strange holes in the story that are known as anomalies and trying to make sense of the very high strangeness stuff we tend to like around here Bruce and Daniela have traveled the world taking expeditions to wherever the mystery takes them, and they've put out several great books along the way with titles like The Forgotten Exodus – The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution, Hybrid Humans – Scientific Evidence Of Our 800,000 Year Old Alien Legacy, and most recently Exogenesis – Hybrid Humans A Scientific History of Extraterrestrial Genetic Manipulation.

03:44 Well I could not be more psyched to get into this. An ancient aliens acolyte, deep history detective and human story sage Bruce Fenton welcome to the higher side! Thank you so much Greg i really appreciate that intro it's a good overview of the whole topic and look forward to yeah look forward again down into the data and the weirdness at all Yes man is a long time coming i know we've been talking about doing a show for awhile and it's finally come to fruition but the timing is great because i really love this new book exo genesis sometimes they get the catalogs from publishers and i think. Well you know i've done this sort of show maybe out past on this one but man you do not just read the old ancient aliens ground your phone then so much more and i know people are gonna love it, i guess to get started give the people a sort overview of how you approach these mysteries because we have those who emphasize physical beings building us as a slave species in some ancient frankenstein lab.

04:42 And then you have panspermia folks who think it's more reasonable to suggest some sort of terraforming probes could be responsible for the unpacking of life on Earth. You seem to fold in both these things and more, how do you like to break people in? Yes, it is difficult I tend to take it back to the beginning and just tackle pan sperm yeah and the beginnings of life on earth just because there's a huge mystery that in which nobody really can absolutely claim to be the way you know this conventional theory we have emerged from geological chemical processes for a biogenesis but you can't prove that is no way we got to replicate in any experiments haven't identified it happening anywhere on the planet within the last 4.5 billion years since beginning of life

05:30 So it's not a really strong theory, right? Where you can say oh yeah we've got the evidence. We've done the experiments so if people come to realize that I think then you can say well hang on if the very foundations of this story are rather rocky then of course much of that follows may also be I'd posit that we are looking at most likely a case of directed panspermia, and that's the intelligently-directed seeding of life on Earth. And there's a few reasons why I favor that over abiogenesis or over simply a natural panspermia event which would be life arriving on perhaps a comet or in cosmic dust you know happening to have bacteria or viruses on which is the more

06:19 widely accepted panspermia model which has been largely proposed by professor wickram singer and colleagues essentially is the main figure in that discussion really. I believe if you look at this more closely you find that the most compelling argument has to be some intelligence because i say is because we have. Now discover life begins on this planet around about four point five billion years ago the plan itself forms about four point six billion years ago and thats very fast in a hundred million years like appears flourishes right, can see that beginning just kind of barren hellscape

06:57 Lava impacts and just mayhem says quite astonishing that is not fast in fact it was long assumed to take around a billion years of random events before life immersion we now know that's wrong with france fossils that are going back to about four point two billion. The assumption that being the unlikely be found the oldest possible so they assume that they probably go back to four point five and then separately, there's been dna analysis search for what will you get the last universal common ancestor of all life on this planet in that research they also concluded that all of your business we know today. Go back to an answer living 4.5 billion years ago so you got me kind of a fossil record on the genetic data

07:41 merging. Right, so that seems surprisingly fast and incredibly convenient it just happens to appear the moment the crust is ready for it right? So thats why I say I favor the idea its been deliberately seeded you know when the planet's ready life is seeded here and begins to flourish now I recognize that for the very devout religious they'll say This is a creation story in god does this you don't believe that the magic hand whatever i think of the state by jealous people will die hard and leave no dog at least stick to their model, add the moment you can really say anyone wins i just been the logic better supports this model we can go from. I'm not into your ongoing relationship with intelligence is from this planet

08:29 Yes i'm glad you stopped there because that's exactly what i was gonna bring up next of course the first chapter of any good story is interesting but it is just the first chapter and sometimes insinuation is that we are the product of a handful of events that are so old, they have no real connection to our times except to say that human spiraled out of them hundreds thousands years ago but i find it much more intriguing that we are in some sort of. Cosmic Zoo or alien energy farm or just that modern alien abductions and craft sightings are very much related to human origins that there is some involvement from these being still and That seems to be something you entertain as well, right?

09:15 Absolutely i think the best visualization for people to use that of a garden you go out and plant various. Different trees and shrubs vegetables in your car and you tend it, we don't spend all day everyday twenty four seven out in your garden right now you leave some fertilizers you do certain things you can get you made cross species with each other produce any particular types flowers no rest until this is not garbage There is that ongoing kind of you know let's remove the weed this part of the plot and that's how i look at it if i think what we have here is after the seeding event, release one intelligence i would suggest more than one intelligence. Is taking an interest in progression of life on this planet. We see certain events for example the cambrian explosion which has been highlighted as a normal us that mesh very well with your idea of

10:09 Temporary space into sessions into our story where we have. What would sing go and his colleagues suggest is a moment where new information, inches you leave me system most likely through retro virus coming from space infecting life on our planet at that time. Bring new information into the system i know that's what we have this sudden explosion of new organisms appearing in the fossil record without precursors and it has long been a point to debate between creationist the material is and so on mr what is actually going on in that moment well, do you want me to say for sure there's new information evolution producing new life forms require some kind of information system where is that coming from we can sing as long as the best. Let's use a miraculous occurrence here then it must be coming from somewhere outside and modified

11:04 or natural is the best way of explaining this i would suggest again but unlike his contention that it's just random arrival of dust carrying viruses get icy this more likely to be. Deliberate do we have these moments when modified retroviruses are seeded into the upper atmosphere and then rain down in fact organisms and they cause these sudden jumps mutations punctuated equilibrium model of evolution I can see a number of events across time and explain what are the other nominees in evolution if you look at. Result will be released when i decide that you have around to mutation like you know you stop the wing, why does gonna persist there no use right the wing is useful when it can allow you to glide or fly

11:56 You just have to flap skin stick of the side you don't actually in cumbrance more like be grabbed by predators they using energy there no use so why did he persist until the point where they are going to tie when i hang on if they come as leaps new information system causing radical mutations, can you start see what things like the iron wings and also strange things that. I'm not useful in an intermediary stage my just suddenly appear i do have a radical leaps and evolution these are throughout the entire timeline, i don't suggest can explode is very obvious one we just having an unbelievable number of changes at once yeah man it seems like weird kind of.

12:35 predisposed to divide ourselves into camps and directed pants bermia seems like the perfect story to come to when you reverse engineer those science first religion camps for a, common ideological ancestor so to speak it's pretty perfect and i really do like that idea in terms of things going on. Today or lose today that could back up this potential epic story let me give people a quote from the book here where you write. Daniela and i are among those people impacted by alien abduction experiences my first relevant experience occurred in the form of recurrent vivid nightmares as a very young child i would find myself dreaming that i was on a metal table surrounded by strange humanoid entities one of them reminded me of the star wars character to baca and another of the vampire count dracula,

13:28 But my own alien abduction type experiences pale in comparison to those of Daniela's. To be perfectly honest, all the accounts I have read fall short of the intense things Daniela has been through." Well you know i gotta ask you to elaborate on that! What could you tell us about her experiences that surpassed the typical stories an audience like this is probably well familiar with, and how could they relate to this bigger topic of alien involvement in the human story? Sure. Yeah I'll quickly sidetrack into that for you. Daniela is a person who's had experiences really from toddler years onwards some of her early memories are being in her crib seeing entities in the room including what looked like kind of which was an ape-like

14:18 Entity the jump around manical you jump around the room essentially you know scared of just scary scary but would you have the sense that they didn't want to make grab her and was it was. I'm afraid can figure should also had experiences of flying out of their car so i mean this is your kind of travel time no body experiences she had, where are the one or two years old when does that start very early in life She's also always had the ability to see spirits of deceased people as well as entities that are not people. And that for her childhood she recalls seeing things like a tall shadow man, that would be sometimes in the room an entity they looked a bit like a sort of a tall gray if you were gray aliens so a bit like that and again alongside this would have experiences of seeing deceased people So that really was from early years onwards now

15:13 That is posing itself is not completely unique coming it's rare perhaps that someone has the intense level of experiences on going from so early in life. But a clear you see there are people who are psychic like this become particularly more bizarre in the last decade we had What series events to keep me big and really weird me when i went to egypt back in november two thousand eleven. Was there a way to a site called abu ghurab which is another time but this article out there you find the talk about the stargazer of the group particularly one by william henry,

15:57 that this site is rumored to be amongst the most ancient on the Giza plateau and it correlates with the Pleiades on the ground. If you look at this, there's a star map that correlates with sites of Giza if you mesh them up you find that this area meshes with the Pleiades now whilst I was there i had this sense of connection with the Pleiades looking up I could see it rising over this site Had a strong feeling that there was somebody there in his very abstract not what you think is it any classic new age and twenty years old she really needs to be familiar with that kind of thing. Just found myself saying no why are you coming back to help me why did he left like this for these problems in your house right now i'm just gonna say she had with just some stars rising temple, no particular not like seeing a spaceship running

16:49 But then afterwards, you know nothing really happened. I'd love to say that you know spaceships flew out of the air and lots of things happen but no it wasn't like that it was just you know it happened like that but then probably about two months after that obviously gone back from UK from UK I went to Spain where Daniela was I got I was working in a school with her there and that's sort first time physically we made sure that we've known each other previous to that online And then from there we can do it go to ecuador she has family so long story but. We ended up in ecuador and so Was within a few days of being there that she had this experience which became quite so ill but quite well went to bed. Did you start feeling pain and then kind of passed out from the pain and then she from her what she told me i'm sorry experiences, she found herself in kind of pull everybody taking apart it is sensation was being with

17:44 Take it down to your actions in the toilet parts almost nothing and then passing through some kind of energetic barrier flying through the wall. on the other side of this barrier we manifesting as herself but being in a strange space which you have the sensation of it being kind of. Don't change what you can see through the walls and i feel color you could see free season stars for these walls, no within destruction there were beings who told humanoid beings that were in a conference We talk about events on earth things that is it will come things that were happening some of them quite crazy cataclysmic other spiritual. Different groups having different conversations some of the would be looking at her you know this was just in their own, conversations eventually to engage me with something in a busy happen and what are you gonna do all this really sound strange scenario

18:42 With her a little time bear in mind she was wearing this point of my dad i mean i think it's quite reasonable thing to think if you feel like dismantled for some kind of barrier logic in your mind is am i dead where am i. At the end of this experience she was sent back and so i can nobody you know. I don't understand anything strange happened to because unknown to her the whole time that is going on she was actually mumbling, no one could use mumbling about something like it here tomorrow free suns and coming changes and all sorts of stuff that i get one side of what was your conversation

19:20 I was then try to test with that did you remember something all happening i don't like the lead people want to see what she could remember and say she told me about this experience now after every few days. Similar thing would happen should be taken from her body instead of going to this meeting which we now suspect is probably in some kind of. Flying saucer because it was doing shape and kinda funnily enough reminds me what these objects seem to be doing shape, May not be but that's what we assume now that after she would instead be taken from the body and find yourself in someone else's body in this tall lady abnormally tall. Two meters or so talk,

20:04 And the first is basically a tunnel system somewhere which went through these tunnels and found group of other beings that were the tool humans abnormally to all humans, having a meeting in this kind of native american clothes now know what she's on my own. Clothes i don't have a number of these journeys with dozens and dozens of these journeys but she came to understand that she was in poland k which is down in your town and that the roundabout so around 650 to 700 AD, that kind of time space with Lord Pikao being the lord of Palenque. And there was this whole load of these beings who should give them some stand were a kind of hybrid human hybrids that have been modified by an extraterrestrial group. And then there were others there that she saw tall grays that were also in areas under this city. I mean what you got the normal Mayans as humans

20:56 living there in the city. But these lords of Palenque, she's anything but normal with incredible powers and run really fast they're incredibly strong you know all sorts of abnormal traits now things like what do you make that so she was like well there is no way to explain it because we can't really say we don't know for sure whether it was aliens taking it to the past or whether you need some sort of projection of that time into her mind by some intelligence, or astral time travel. What names gives us? But personally I don't know anyone anywhere ever has had that kind of experience where you've had people might talk about dozens and dozens of these a whole second life which was living

21:39 throughout the year twenty twelve in two hundred thirty where you should come back to black eyes from being punched in the face there we are black eyes another time she was given. Liquid which she is these grades were trying to wipe her memory they gave this liquid and she was talking about it but it should vomiting in the bedroom, i'm going off the side of the bed to bear in mind you know you giving something in this hyper real vr place. Whatever it is but your literally sick here when you come back really ill vomitting so there was a very permeable line between these two lives. And also, she would see another version of me there that I was essentially the war chief of Palenque and second to Pacao and that there, I'm kind of...I'm still her partner there but I'm this sort of slightly obnoxious in a way, kinda macho, kinda annoying guy for her to actually be because you know, I guess I suited the times that I was living in. I mean, I'm supposed

22:43 Tough guy so is it really surreal that you seeing me there and then she seen me in a life back. In the present she's got kids their kids here to say you imagine this had, permanent life changing effects on a psychological changes or so she goes physical changes, emotional change is because you can't live two separate lives without having. Major impact and they gave me some information as well about changes in showing the calendar when things would happen. Where crystal skulls were hidden in their rooms full of tablets with loads of information on it also just after the whole

23:21 You know yes so strange and i hear a light mumbling in my room here talking in my own right and kicking the wall and stuff. This one of the moms so i talk about it danielle experiences are extraordinary i mean really really short age to point where, i just don't know if any other experience is as extraordinary that Wow, yes. Yes and the kind of artifacts stuff you mentioned there towards the end is definitely the next thing I wanted to talk about but the Ecuadorian trigger is kind of interesting because I've heard other stories of paranormal experiences being triggered by by a return to someone's ancestral land. You said she had family there? Yeah, we do talk about the veil today being thicker than it was at a time in the past that communion is more rare than maybe it used to be well We also do have more people away from their ancestral lands than any other time and indigenous tribes who have stayed in one spot do also seem to have the strongest connection to that spirit world still maybe

24:23 the correlation is important. I don't know, and it seems like it'd be a weird one but there is a shape there that I've heard before. Well, I do think this connection and what we found out later as well her father had some questions i don't know who's exchanges that but he told us that he remembered when you was younger the use of these very vivid dreams where he was this in car, some kind of lord in the right which is a stretch there and post it mostly across peru but one point into ecuador as well and then he would have people bowing to him about him so he wasn't He was away wasn't like the ink of the emperor but he was some senior person who's connected to where their treasures were kept in some kind of treasure or something and in these repeating dreams you know that he would grab a city no way things work. Every echoed with me said one day he was with his family and they were driving him along for town is quite young, any single time window and realized it was the town from the dreams. I need was like wonder if i know what the gold is

25:26 in this town. He said but then he never then found out where that was, he couldn't you know what town it was just a drive through the town and so he never again found that town but he said he remembers at one point drove for town is like oh my god this is the town that's in my dream you know, and he was sort of aware that maybe still could find where that gold had been kept because he was sort of in charge. So obviously I was kind like can't you please try harder to remember the town? You know so i do think it's in the family and Daniela's grandmother was a healer she was kind of a traditional healer Is father also had experience with you eventually came out is not very many someone who's quite close about the topic but in some conversations can't admit to me that he had experiences in the jungle where. Orbs following him his car and orbs would follow him, see the flying saucer hovering over the cathedral middle of this home town so what said

26:23 strange dreams. So clearly there is something in that line, the Ecuadorian line in her family that you know is physical and stressful healing and shamanism I mean she was recognized as being a shaman by the people in Ecuador one of the Shuar, shamanic asked if she would come wanted to come work with them in the jungle you know it didn't really fit with our life but they were aware from experiences she was having which he was obviously gifted shamanic healer and she's in my view very powerful tonight here I've seen Remove energy problems from people that you know the front of me she doesn't clear on people and people to let them puke in stuff clearing out so i mean is it quite powerful. Again if your people familiar with those kind of get a lot of people just you know sounds like we were crazy but i've seen enough of myself, i'm aware experiences unaware what she can do help me a lot personally with

27:13 My own troubles i've had with negative energy is also so yeah i mean it fits with you know not see the people in ecuador this isn't a problem sit down we have to be you know we talk sorcerers and healers shayman's me you know we met call up he like that she learned from a lot of people are. So for them its not strange conversation for a lot of people in ecuador generally you can talk about paranormal metaphysical things without being seen as crazy or ufos being seen as stranger these fairly widely accepted topics and it's quite normal to have a shame in having an office in the town you can go to see the shaman so it's quite different. Yeah man i love it n,

27:54 To get into artifacts or treasures you also write about the long history of psychic communication alien abduction information download and this sort of thing, end note that the messages are often similar as if there is some sort of higher intelligence or multi dimensional beans calling up the earth to check and see if we're ready for water contact. But even more interesting is this idea that we have physical objects that have aspects of this deep history or these messages embedded within them. Obviously you mentioned crystal skulls earlier, that's an example people might be familiar with but maybe there's even some sentient

28:33 projected consciousness inside of them. To give people an example of such an object, can you tell us about this story from a Tibetan Dzogchen master, Norbu? I guess this is his uncle's story but it's a story i hadn't heard before what's the deal there yeah i've heard some awesome stories apart from anything else he's really just It's in a book about Buddhism and some experiences of this master. And he really has nothing to do with what we think of as aliens or UFOs, that kind of stuff. So he's not telling us a preface by saying...he's not telling the story in a way that would aggrandize him or it's important to his life narrative right? Or to Buddhism. He just uses an example of one of the strange things that happened whilst he was

29:21 becoming a meditation master in Tibet. So it turns out, yeah that his uncle has this dream they're both you know meditation masters but obviously his uncle is more senior and he's kind of revered as a great teacher now his uncle has this kind of dream and becomes aware where there is a sacred object now there's a tradition in the Himalayas that these meditation masters will often have visions or dreams or encounters give them information where they can find hidden texts And this is very well understood, that sometimes a meditation master will hide the scroll. Okay? That's not useful to people now but that teaching will be great in 600 years time so I'll put it there and

30:00 the way they work somehow what's up a situation that will be found in six hundred years i'm conscious and strange stuff but most people are about them, essentially that there'll be no event like dream vision then. Master all things now i've seen where can find one of these scrolls when is objects And so this happens and this guy sort of goes to his nephew and says, you know what do you think we should do? Should I just go there and check it out. We see if it's there, see what is or should we go with a few people and then if its there something interesting they can all see it kind of being found. So the nephew kinda says well If we don't take everyone and reveal this object It will kinda give everyone greater faith and commitment within the Buddhist practice They can say that you brought this great object down

30:49 So he says, I understand that's a good idea. So it takes the whole lot of villagers and off they go and they head off to this area in the mountains and when you get to the spot he asks for one of these little sort of small pickaxe like a hand pickaxe takes any froze up what looks like just normal clear face anything just sticks him so i guess not that's where is the purple ladder goes out breaks through to make what was like a water scrambles away He says i don't touch the object itself so they use like a cloth, go to cover this object brings it down when you know if this is perfect sphere luminous white or clear just lying on the blanket not too touch it be careful with that. And then they take this and see how she strengthens their belief that knowledge in his abilities may take me take it back to home he doesn't think that its ready to reveal secrets just yet so they lock away in a cabinet

31:40 and then they put his wax seals on it, and everything. He puts it away. And sometime later he goes back to check on it when they open it this thing is gone. He says that has been taken away by the divas. These are diva's essentially entities spiritual entities so we have this idea of these traditional artifacts that are hidden on this planet that seem to be some kind of unknown bizarre technologies I mean we assume there's some sort technology that is just hidden from some past time and occasionally these turn up. This one, particularly like that story because it has no...it's not like a UFO claiming something. He's just a meditation master and his teacher happens to mention in his book this kind of stood out to me now

32:23 I will add as well that the same teacher who kind of tells his story, he also mentions one again. I think this is quite an important one where he says there was a night where he was in his lucid dreams and basically had lucid dreams every night when you get to certain level of meditation practice you can stay conscious aware throughout your sleep so every night is a kind of lucid dream now it's during his night The divas come to him one of the diva's gives me a little scroll says you know this is like your uncle who put the scrolling his hand me so holds it because i'm still hound over in the morning when he wakes up properly. He sees his hands are still crossed opens his hands and there's the scroll in his hand right, so he's astonished so even though this is someone who has no strange things happen he's astonished so he goes take this girl goes out to the cave where is on glitz

33:14 Show us your new you would do that so you shouldn't interrupt these masters when they're meditating in the morning be too excited. So is uncle comes to door and he said what is it just look at this dream of divas game they should scroll for you and yeah because it's expecting that just walks away wow, Whereas you imagine how mind-bending that is for the average Western materialist. the idea that, you know for someone else it's totally normal to get a scroll given by a diva in a dream and have it manifest into your waking day and just go off to read it right like again the newspaper in the morning. Yeah! It would be amazing to have that analyzed is it made from the same stuff as our world? Is it what language has it written in all that kind of stuff it'd be awesome to dig into that Absolutely I do like that I'm sure there are thousands stories like that from Himalayas but certainly there are stories

34:12 What are the plans to come back from shambhala and that they should be lies not quite within our vibration is not necessary really here. people have brought back things from shambhala mentions having a flower on the mantelpiece is father brought back from shambhala within that area you know there seems to be an acceptance that you can bring back objects from the other dimensions and other planes of existence. Oh yeah man i guess what happens in the himalayas stays way more so than vegas we don't get those rfx bought for us to analyze unfortunately

34:48 And that story of the first part of it you know what the order came out of a cliffside, that rhymes with a lot other stories to remember diana post all those book american cosmic where she is briefed on some of this stuff by the silicon valley elite or a modern invisible college have been brought in to wrestle with these very same things in the corporate world and one of the anonymous sources mentions that not far from his desk there's some. artifacts that they keep behind this massive vault door, but he can still feel it reach out or reading his mind or trying to communicate something. Some sort of faint telepathic thing going on and I'm sure as you say there's many of these artifacts potentially squirreled away in deep state basements that we'll never ever hear about but its awesome when we do! Absolutely thats where we get a bit lucky with the core of exogenesis which is of course

35:43 tackling an encounter with one of these artifacts, Tringa. Now if you're happy I can go into that a little bit. Absolutely it's the next thing on my list so dive right in! And I would say here, and just very quickly say this is that the crystal skulls of some of these other artifacts are very much the same or very similar. Especially if you consider this, the crystal skulls are silica and in fact when Hewlett-Packard examined, I think it was the Mitchell Hedges skull they said it was exactly the kind of perfect quality crystal that could be utilized for storing information and then in theory could be holding all kinds of information but we just don't know how to access

36:21 I think that's a really crucial understanding before you can go into the next week is that you know that you got leading edge but i think it's gonna say yes these things could be technologies that we don't understand to have information in them right there is a precedent their. There is yet and so with the triggers we have this whole law apology history depends on where are coming out of from that these artifacts now a tringer is essentially a tablet like object you know sort of oval or tablet shaped um flower objects that appear to be so stone-like but again i would suggest silica objects

36:58 These have a mythology that they go back to the algerian time and i think it's what some of my friends with dreamtime beginning times to creation time where all of these animals in, humans were created possible landscape created stories of these altering the beams for walking on landscape there involved in the creation. Now some of these beings apparently they transform into churring goes to the take a form that will persist against the weathering of time so you become these objects. He's living beings now as trying to stones and there is some sense carry information knowledge highly sacred day kept away from general population only interacted with by clever fellas which essentially kind of shamans is the highest initiate shamans in this

37:47 take a look at the rnj people who are you and your language group. No i don't know how many of these events should be but they said original there are regional ones that all the way back to the time in their others copies, what is still considered as copies to be sacred almost no way that the energy of it consciousness of it can move into others or include them within its influence so those were also shaking not as ancient Now there was a situation where one of these objects was found in a cave going back I think it's around about century ago, but one of these objects was found in the cave by someone who is involved in the camel trader kind of route. It used to be that camels were used to move things across deserts and Afghan traders in Australia were using them to take goods around and someone found one of these strings are glowing tablet like object in a cage again this glowing thing we have with other story

38:42 And that this object was taken and it was kept within a family now some point comes into hands of what's the go back to the. Traditional keepers trying get back to her room now this lady who holds she becomes very ill just be like she wants someone to temporarily look after it and she ends up connecting with valerie barrow you Basically is kinda a list of healer regression therapist you know it alternative to the person if you would say to you could look after my. Straight out the fact that wouldn't need anything like this is crazy no you don't mind it kinda person, do you have a house called algeria right and so they take as a kind of sign

39:24 that all this is the kind of person i can approach and so they have a conversation valerie agrees to your temporary look after it comes to her wrapped in paperbark and she's talking please don't open it traditional law is that you shouldn't. Look on these things touch them directly so she puts away in a box in his bedroom because no good but you want your hospital but you better Fix it will be normal and then soon after she starts having this direct voice to school communication this thing saying i am out of ringer living being a star person here in the creation time start telling this whole narrative. Ship that is grown in a crystal line matrix inhabited by self aware consciousness, rides here for what sounds like to me as some kind of stargate report or from the pleiades

40:13 carrying fifty thousand beings on board and there's a whole long narrative i want to continue it or you can check if i go on well its definitely really interesting as another example of these things and its all throughout the book u r backing up with modern data and information studies the messages that came from this stone. And again, with that whole idea of don't touch it you know? That's something that came up in the earlier story and also comes up in a story like The Ark Of The Covenant. It's dangerous to humanity apparently and what I found interesting is you write about what is it that wakes these artifacts up and could possibly be the touching them or even say

41:00 In this quote it seems quite logical to suspect that the alka ringa was the personality for an AI technology functioning as a monitoring and recording sentinel until the appropriate moment for open contact had been reached by our species it might even be that encountered some specific electromagnetic frequency associated with our technological development. And I really like that obviously copied down because, We have our own electromagnetic field so maybe we touch it and it wakes up or maybe it notices that are environment is changing cuz we do have a secular, environment and that could potentially be picked up by one of these devices but they're just fascinating topics of discussion its.

41:49 sad that one of these can't just penetrate the main stage of our world. The crystal skulls, I guess got close but why can't one of these things just penetrate the culture to become this household item that everybody is knowledgeable about because if the story shakes out and as you present in the book it tends to shake out? I guess it's just hard for people to fathom Yeah i think it's not really an evidence problem or a reasonable promological is a problem about what we are able to accept the process that kind of crazy apes on a joyride for technological madness whatever you were doing but.

42:29 I don't think it's anything to do with the evidence or the logic behind this because we have leading edge thinkers who say, hey we think that advanced aliens will have grace well probes which is a class of probe they sent out with these AI on board which probably had one human self repair and you know all these functions. And then these would be sent out and land on asteroids and planets and monitor for radio waves and monitor for signs of life and that these things would act like Sentinels so this isn't something I've come up with These are leading edge fingers saying that this is actually what we think they would have in fact the last year i've seen a couple of articles come out saying you know all their these probes sitting on asteroids you know in our local area but there was one asteroid that was

43:09 corporate i think we're gonna be around if they were checking out the signs of technology so me we actually looking for these things what you theory was supposed to open to these things that's what science is pretend yet. If u say that hey you know it sounds like people in australia encountered one and he actually has activated any shared information look at the look on those people faces Are the same people who would like those articles and would say we're looking for these and we expect them to be out there tell me you found one what's the way their face changes right red that makes a lot of sense so we have a problem with people not with the kind of technologies were describing not with the behavior of it, not with information share we have a people problem.

43:51 Yeah, don't I know it and so you've taken the insight from this stones messages and also found a lot of other evidence in the history in the terrain of the earth and in DNA itself that kind of validates the story. Obviously, we're talking about several different things. Panspermia way at the beginning but there is another major chapter where the big date is around 700 thousand or 780 thousand years ago and you found some genetic evidence that there was a step change in human evolution that coincides with that time but what's even more interesting to me is the prospect of and I quote

44:34 material evidence proving that a vast crystalline spaceship exploded in orbit above Australia around this time. Wow, you gotta break us in on this man pretty amazing. Sure Sure. And it should work out anyway, and obviously again we'll go through the evidence of this but what I was preface again with saying there will be a people problem with this not an evidential problem because it just sounds so big and for some people so ridiculous the idea that you know this could be a 90 could have happened that we can find evidence in it because people like they're aliens far, far away. We using radio waves where you can never get any direct evidence of them. They're comfortable with that now this is an uncomfortable story because it's bringing it all the way to Earth and with physical evidence okay so we are told that there is this crystalline structure you know that's what the information tells us So I'm looking at this time thinking okay

45:27 is described in some detail. We've got this vast crystalline craft that is destroyed, it's hit with energy weapons and says you know basically is melted and explodes and finally the last stage is as close like a nuclear explosion but this is reduced to liquid space like liquid glass is melted and he says some of this debris, this molten debris showers down across the earth right because its in orbit and so it's destroyed it showers down across the earth I'm thinking okay Could something like that remain? And I think initially, Valerie had the sense this was somewhere towards 900 thousand years ago. It's a really ancient event and I'm sort of thinking okay let's have a look you know could there be something in the geological record like that you know obviously metals we'd expect to rust away or decompose normally they would but silica glasses can persist for long time

46:18 So i look for you and i'm thinking probably won't find anything not very hopefully no i believe this story of my reasons like think it's true but i don't expect to find this. Turns out that there is a century long mystery in science the ostracite tech type mystery papers with that. I got on them but you had basically a century of different camps trying to explain this material just like text which is a nice to check tide is kind of a glass and mineral glass was being produced from high energy events of some sort and it's unlike any other field of this material. The australite tektite strewn field, as it's called stretches all the way from Antarctica up to southern China in fact there is australite found on somewhere between 20-30% of the earth surface and people should take that into their brain and think about staggering for start staggering distribution material right now we don't see that from any normal impacts right you know so we have asteroids impacts all over the planet we've had those since the beginning until now

47:21 We don't see that so one can't scientists and we think this is some kind of major impact and it's thrown this material up in his money to go all the way from south east asian down to talk to just extraordinary you think. How far are they your talking about throwing material from an impact like, And then there's another camp that was arguing that this maybe was lunar material, something hit the moon. It broke off and showered debris reached the earth and then rained down that way. This is a debate that has been raging for decades before I stumbled on this And both of them, the reason why this argument continues is that neither camp could explain all of the evidence and all of the anomalies but each one had some strengths over the other. So this is why it persisted and what happened in the last few years was that the lunar theory had been really weakened by analysis of moon rocks which suggested that the tech couldn't really originate from the moon

48:19 The composition wasn't close enough right so that by default the impact hypothesis became the preferred or consensus theory but not because it's any strength and just its opponents kind of lost fire the fact that this material didn't match. So when you look closer though these now accepted, period is full of holes mean for start you've got this problem that nasa did a load of experiments with this, right? With this tektite. And they found that these tektite buttons that they're called... Now there's a particular shape of tektite is only known from the australite strewn field so once in the whole 4.6 billion years of history once do we get this material and once to get it shaped in this way. They said these tektite buttons can only have formed if a body is in orbit and explodes then some of this debris enters Earth's atmosphere at a shallow angle basically like a decaying orbit

49:14 and slowly enters. So it has time for secondary heating, so you start off with these little spheres of glass because liquid in space will take a spherical shape then they froze so you get these spherical glass balls. These have started to come in and then the heating causes liquefaction on the front and that liquid runs to the back and usually get this kind of nose cone shape is clearly shaped by aerodynamic forces and that's why NASA recognized this obviously was shaped by aerodynamic force design those cones don't rest So these things come in like that and then they've rained down across, essentially all across southern Australia. It's the only place they're found in that form. The rest of the tektite stream field is another forms dumbbells tear drop shapes and other shapes now the other problem you have here is that within some of these you have bubbles right but these are bubbles of hard vacuum so again where did you get hard vacuum? You don't get it on earth at an impact you get that in space

50:04 Another few things that are is, there's something called a Moses law. Moses law has to do with formations of glasses and when you try make a homogenous glass without bubbles in it you have to kind of heat in certain way over certain period time which makes it homogeneous and get rid of the bubbles we do that when forming glasses now australite tectonics very homogenous across all these different pieces the composition more or less the same but if you don't find partly melted material where if you have impact around the edges Will you have a chance where there's rock with part melt to take time right so you find that and also your final where, granite will have more granite in the peace and when it sounds like you understand anything if it's hitting into an area with mixed rock.

50:48 you're going to have different composition in different pieces and you're going to have some that are part rock, part glass. That's how it is. Yeah they fuse together somewhat yeah because it's a singular energy event momentary singular event and so that's how it works you get a lot of bubbles in there as well we got a lot of bubbles Instead the ocean is so the energy heating is over some period of time which is like you were told that there's an energy weapon in this ship melting it and blows up. I'm not exactly what we're seeing with this we have this class There's no signs of part mail or bits of rock in there, nothing like that. And it's got vacuum bubbles so we know it's happening space and NASA are telling us the source body was in orbit and there is a whole problem with that what's it doing in orbit because a huge object like that shouldn't be able to be captured by Earth gravity cause our planet not massive enough like Jupiter and Saturn which can capture quite large objects even temporarily capture comets but if can't at least sometimes capture things car sized right? So we have another problem what's this even doing in orbit

51:49 Also we have 80% silica no asteroids or objects in space and don't have more than 60% silica that we ever found so it is now again this morning crease me bizarre object. That is matching precisely with the information that this object has transferred right, you get to that point like hang on a business bizarre i'm thinking of beginning this i wouldn't even find any sign of it instead i find that there's mystery that is only solved by I love it. Yes, this is why do the show these kind of stories and it seems like you found the remnants of the mothership but who blew up how did blow up the way it did?

52:31 Well then you get into bits that I can certainly give you what's told, but I can't prove it. Obviously the major focus in the book is on as you know the three major events which i'm able to provide good evidence for but we are told that there's already a group of advanced beings on this planet what we might refer to now as crypto terrestrials they essentially are not even necessarily extraterrestrial right because they supposedly have been here pretty much since since very early on in our history. There's a group of beings here that are described as kind of reptilian, humanoid in form now I'm sure most people out there that listen to your show or into any these topics are familiar with the idea that they're people encountering reptilian looking beings or they've heard about them in conspiracy theory and all the rest of it well like it or not that's what we're told they like and that there has been this agreement between them and this visiting

53:26 group or a collective of beings from various places in the universe that arrived in a single ship with this kind of alliance or federation or whatever you want to call it, this is not just one type of entities but there's been an agreement between them that the earth was meant to be getting handed over as alliance and apparently once was sort of under their direction it was one seeded by them. and that there has been this brokered agreement to hand over the planet. There's a betrayal, the ship is attacked it's hit with what they describe as I think electromagnetic resonance weaponry which sort of entrains the ship and you know vibrates here melts here then it blows up

54:02 So we have another group of different being so easy to describe the silica beans that have a kind of a frame like a robot frame that moves them around you know it's not even biological something don't seem to be fully in our reality, the kind of interdimensional beings is really complex scenario with child about which should. Who shouldn't in a way and i mean since we want these nice knees like a movie right but this is far more complex than that Don't have a nice simple story and that these being said on earth there is consequences for them. Is it five years later another group of extras arrived you are part of this greater alliance they are

54:42 Describe the nine humanoid race of warriors that have a long long history of war with these reptilians and they come in as you know you destroyed a peaceful calling ship go off the planet, how is agreement if you don't get off the planet gonna bombard you. I'm not sure most of them flee to go through stargate or ryan apparently where they come from. They flee and there's some of them don't begin a bombardment we don't use lasers so we pull in asteroids from nearby and we bombard the planet with those. And they clarify, say if we want to, we can crack a planet open no problems. So you think of it on those scales the kind of things that go on out there if that's you've accept this is not just going to shoot some rays at them. No, no they literally just pull in some asteroids send them down and so they do that and they bombard these areas where their supposedly underground bases for this other party destroy most of

55:40 Now i was assumed that they are the same time protecting areas where the survivors from the first ship on our based. I need to buy this also have decided to remain not go with the office of sleep but they just started a reminder gonna modify a hominid species on the planet so she wear lobby main thrust of the book goes. Sorry, I should say sorry that again with that asteroid bombardment as a caravan this was another thing i thought well you know if this is real couldn't we find some evidence of an asteroid bombardment right and again this would be quite extraordinary because last time we really had

56:16 impacts from all sides on the time regularly was kind of a late heavy bombardment going back over three point five billion years ago and it was kinda chaos in solar system. So I'm thinking well if this is multi directional bomb but surely we don't know about that, you know we will know about the dinosaurs getting whacked and now we hear about other impact events surely be big news maybe like not geo specials on no the time yet they died from multidirectional hits right so i think in my real you can not be real So I started digging into that and it turned out that only in 2015, had been detected that there'd been a multi-directional asteroid bombardment of our planet. And when did it happen to be? It turns out that its dated around 780 thousand years ago which is when the australite tektite was dated too, 780 thousand years ago

57:05 Right, so you're like hang on what is going on here? So now you've got this bizarre object breaking up and you've got the multi-directional asteroid bombardment. This thing they hit in Central America they hit down in Tasmania they've hit somewhere up in Southeast Asia and the other thing about this can start thinking okay was this a singular object breaking out because that might be any easier explanation right No because when they get the analysis of them so i can't composition is different to these a separate asteroids coming in and that's exactly what we're told, you miss me right send it recording different asteroids just bombarded small sites. Exactly what they found

57:40 Bear in mind Valerie's book that she wrote about this from using the source is published in 2003. So she can't be cherry picking this out and then making a sci-fi story because it just did not exist at that time, nobody knew this had happened right? so you've now got another massive hit and another anomalous event because there's no other point in time we don't see that stuff happening right? We don't have objects every now and again in orbit blowing up, we don't every now and again have multi directional asteroid bombers these are unique major anomalous events now coinciding in time. And matching with something that has purportedly come from intelligence that says it's next to the knows our history and he's now being proven accurate again. Right right and man is so epic boring alien races i love it movie itself if i had a few million i wouldn't be running about it tell you that i can make a movie about it indeed, end for listeners contacts

58:39 that, you know all this comes from this Al-Kharinga stone. Where is this stone today? I know the woman who has it or communicates with it does have a website seems to still be alive. Are these stories still coming out of it?" No because as intended it was given back to her temporarily and then forwarded on back to traditional custodians which are Zionstani people around Uluru so I imagine they still have this. Now, would they come forward and share? Maybe they will! You know if someone has contacts with elders of the Aorante people...I want to look into that. I mean i don't personally have those contacts but I don't know if they would tell you again you're dealing with what should be some of those sacred artifacts for these people right so I don't know whether I mean if someone has that kind of connection then maybe they can track it down assume it is there

59:34 Oh man, yeah you gotta try. Gotta try but hey I wanted to try and get a little bit more into the genetics of DNA. I know we're at the end of the road but you do a great job in the book breaking this stuff down and dense DNA talk can sometimes get too in-the-weeds for me are there a couple points that you'd want people understand when it comes to our genes and DNA? And some weird stuff we got in there just around out our overall show today Sure, and I think that's the third point. So the third biggie in the book in terms of this narrative is we are told after having the ship destroyed, you know, the impact which now have them both dated as soon as real events dated to 780 thousand years ago. The third big one of course is the claim that surviving extraterrestrials modify an existing hominin and they essentially make the first Homo sapiens Now in recent years mainstream has actually shifted their dates on this

1:00:28 they've now gone back to being somewhere in the region of 550 to 750 or so thousand years ago and if you look at other studies there suggesting 800,000 possibly before but there's a coalescence that around this date 780,000 which happened already be known in the fossil records, it was known that from around 800000 years ago. The human cranium goes into a mad like acceleration so we knew from before genetics we knew that something weird happened around 800000 years ago and the human brain just goes into this off the scale kind of acceleration structural changes size changes and now we have the genetics that is backing up you know what's in our house at homosapiens themselves breaking off from some precursor species around that time we had nanda force dennis ovens in a month for these large brain humans splitting off from

1:01:17 common ancestor around about 780,000 years ago. Right? So that just to frame this a little bit you know we now have mainstream science catching up with what I've put in books already their dates have now slid to my dates And that they're now seeing that actually all these different groups are splitting off from some strange happening around 780,000 years ago. Which if you think about it if you've got experimentation going on is a shock that's gonna produce more than one hominid lineage? No right because its experimentation yeah so your ending up with different ones in fact you may intend to do that to see which one fares best So you can make a few different lineages right

1:01:54 We have that happening so how do you validate that so he go down drill down into the genomics we find is one particularly, compelling and important change is defusing of chromosome two now i'm not the first person ever to suggest using chromosome two is a. Mark for an alien intervention or godlike invention creationist They also the crazy side to say that crimson two is different between humans and all the primates in my not really prime age and god's creation so you find out in there but conversely was fine no that people are going to buy and stuff in the past suggested that chromosome 2 was a signature of modification but he goes on for me passed away before we

1:02:37 got to the point now where we can drill down and get dating on this and stuff right. We found out now that Neanderthals, Denisovans and us, we all share this fusion of chromosome 2 so other primates another earlier humans had 48 chromosomes we have 46. Now what we find is an end-to-end fusion where there are deletions and additions at the fusion site so it's not just straight fusion, it looks like someone has added and taken away bits. And there's also fuses on an active gene which is extraordinary and that gene happens to be to do with reproduction the immune system the brain There are a few different factors you have to understand when it comes to fusion first of all usually when chromosomes fuse it's a problem That's the first thing sometimes it can be neutral but usually its a problem really negative now in this case is posited by the academics that The only way that you could have this persist

1:03:20 In the way that it has is if you can fit extraordinary benefits remember that there's a total replacement or forty eight chromosome humans disappear, we have his forty six chromosome humans are you think he was small group and is a massive population of others how does happen. What the first deposit what must i had extraordinary benefits to make they so much better survival abilities than everyone else but they cannot compete anybody The second thing is that it probably would have had to happen in a small isolated population for it to become, first of all genetically persistent in that population and not recessive. You'd need to have a small group with those changes interbreeding. Isn't that starting to sound like some people in the lab? Right so you've got this isolated small population where its becoming persistent where they're intervening and then when they're released out they have these extraordinary benefits above anyone else that can do all sorts

1:04:07 But not only that, I think we have here the signature of something else called what we would think now is CRISPR gene drives. Now, I'm not going to say it's exactly the same because I think we're talking about beings that are well ahead but we are just on the coattails with them because we have these CRISPR gene drives where you can...not only can you modify the genome with CRISPR technologies but with gene drive technologies what you do is you modify in such a way When the two individuals, you know male and female mix. You don't have children instead of getting 50% information from each parent in like a normal scenario The modified parents information overrides the other one you got a hundred percent from that parent, should you imagine now you got these things going out made in our image now they go for more play by the biblical concert this is send them out and now no matter what are their hominine to breed with. Do children will be these upgrades know that makes a lot of sense but we know were doing this with

1:05:03 mosquito populations experimenting with funded by bill gates and so no worries there right of course not these extinction technologies as well because you can also turn off the ability to have children is that what people want to be worried about something definitely worry about gene drives being funded by doctor gates but we see the fingerprint for this in the past and then on top of this there are a number of interesting jeans for example their brain jeans when that is described as having appeared fully formed out non coding dna just get amazing benefits in terms of the brain is the phone the brain was another one which is described as being

1:05:42 a short segment of the longer gene that looks almost like it was cut out and Xeroxed and put back in. Their words, Xeroxed! This is what we're doing now. And yet these people looking at the genome are finding those same kind of fingerprints looking like pieces that were cut out replicated put back in gave us the neocortex like most parts of brain folds in the brain all this stuff that's unique to modern humans and Neanderthals you know there is unique to Homo sapiens I include that, Denisovans and Neanderthals. They're all Homo sapiens right? In fact if you saw the recent article came out and said that neanderthals and modern humans were less different than grizzly bears and polar bears which often have children together right we were less different is that sounding like a separate species to you right that we regularly could have children the children were viable there was no problem right so we have all these large-brained homo sapiens that are all coming out of this event and they have these extraordinary

1:06:35 gene changes, chromosome fusions and most importantly I'll just quickly squeeze this in because these HARs or human accelerated regions of which we now have hundreds. And these are regions where evolution seems to be massively sped up somehow by not any understood means yet understood and that these are areas in the non-coding DNA and they're also in areas that were called highly conserved. Now this is really important because I explain in the book If you look at the talk about your idea of maybe a message for us in dna mainstream people do sometimes it's on is that the problem with that is evolution removes that because mutations occur changes good or bad what race those messages and last.

1:07:20 The changes are made in non-coding DNA in highly conserved areas because those almost never changed. A message there or change that can persist to be found millions of years later now funnily enough we've just started finding hundreds of these and I'll give you one good example, HAR1 the first one that was detected Now, there is a snippet of code 118 DNA letters long and they contrasted it between chickens chimpanzees and human beings. Now what they found was that between the chicken and the chimpanzee There were two letters that are changed over 300 million years of evolution. That is some stable code right now

1:08:03 Now they then compared the chimpanzee to human that's supposed to be set for 5 million 6 million years no one knew 300 million right there should be no difference what if i was 18 letters have changed, so you sing that in me and around this through the software any came up with a statistical chance of zero. This having happened by any understood evolutionary mechanisms Zero. Right? So what the hell is going on here now they found hundreds of them and of course which might random mutations, random to me I imagine to you would be changes all throughout the system right so you've got changes in elements due to kidney or skin hair you know random right would you say that over 50% of these being to do with the brain sounds like random to you? No

1:08:54 It doesn't sound very random to me. So it turns out that's what it is, they find over 50% of the fetal development of the brain and also to do with things like the opposable thumbs and stuff like that we've got. The things are differentiators in fact a few articles say are these HRRs what make us different from all other primates? Are these the fundamentals which is the same thing has been said about chromosome 2 so chromosome two and HARS are now considered to be basically the fundamental changes that made us different to all the other primates. And it turns out homeless you know that i'm really glad you brought up the fusion of chromosome two dot something i've always been interested in but haven't really been able to make a ton of sense and. The kind of stuff u ended with there is a great part of the book we talk about how weird it is evolutionarily that,

1:09:42 our kids are born so half baked you know it takes a while for the human to form and its rely on the mother for so long as opposed to other animals that are like day two, they're walking there moving around we're just so different so very interesting. We were born as a fetus basically we are born still as a fetus if i was to continue developing outside of the womb otherwise my head would be too big to be born I should add as well, sorry. I've almost missed the point there that with chromosome two the dating on that as well has been done by a British biologist he pointed out first of all obviously if it happened before the split with Neanderthals, Denisovans and us That means it had to have happened at least back towards about 750-800 thousand years ago when they split but then you wanted to see whether went back further and so he did a deep sort chemical analysis concluded how to happen somewhere around 750 thousand years ago

1:10:36 So again, the dating has been done now on chromosome 2 and it falls back onto that same moment when the Neanderthals' denosomes are split. So it's fundamentally there around that 780 000 years ago! So are they now yet to get the crap you get the bombardment and the genetic changes with the brain all occurring at seven hundred thousand years ago just to throw in another one people it just so happens that seven hundred eighty thousand is a last time we had a full magnetic reversal on this planet like she could change for. mega weird anomalous massive events catastrophic and earth changing events all colliding at 780,000 years ago. And yet this is a period that I've not seen any Nat Geo special about so what the hell is going on here that there seems to be some kind of deliberate ignorance or ignoring of this point in time where we have

1:11:25 extraordinary things happening so why is this not mainstream you know if you take away the aliens and everything i said no subtract me talking artifacts. Reptilian subtract all that just ask why is there no nat geo special saying seven hundred thousand years ago now the time when massive asteroids were bombarding earth in humans want to go brain changes and weird things will be exploding in space what the hell is going on while we're not being Why am I having to find that out from a book about alien art? Why does it take that for me to hear about these things, because this is insane. Yes it's a good question but of course the answer is that Nat Geo is owned and controlled by the reptilian crypto terrestrials! But man dial in your time machines people because we know exactly where we need to go now. This 780 thousand years ago...this is it but man

1:12:21 Wow, my mind is thoroughly blown. I feel like we fit four hours of content into a two hour show. Luckily we own the airwaves and can start and stop whenever we want but i just can't take up people's entire days! And man it was really great to get back to an interview like this given all the events in 2020. I feel like I got that old THC energy back so thanks for really bringing the heat you are a great dance partner thank you Before i got you loose give them the rundown of how to get more bruce fenton in their lives absolutely i mean there is they want to interact with me. There's a sanity warning on that course can interact with me directly on twitter, i'm at exogenesis hh is my handle and fairly interactive but spent too much time there

1:13:07 I'm also on Facebook. Don't use it a lot, but you can certainly contact me via Facebook. I have a few websites ancientnews.net which is archaeological mostly hybridhumors.net with a few articles about extraterrestrial stuff on there and brucefenton.info my homepage and danielafenton.com which is my wife's professional profile for her shamanic and psychical work all four of those and the book can be found the exogenous book could be found wherever books are sold obviously on Amazon and Borders and all this stuff. But you should be able to get it in your shop, if you go in the shop and ask them can they order for you or put it on the shelves which would be nice? It's out there already certainly in US I think the print version is not in Europe yet but the audio and Kindle are so its basically kind of everywhere Eric von Daniken did the forward which was very kind of him saying that it should be in schools. I don't think the paradigm is quite where schools will stock yet

1:13:57 But yeah, you know hopefully people will check it out and I would just add as well that because i know people have free stuff they say you know why do you write books? They cost money everything should be free but I mean that does mean of course me starving to death in a garbage bin somewhere. Still I do give out free content so there's a movie 780 000 our alien origin story which they offer find on YouTube, which is totally free to view. And that was in partnership with Alex Skeptico. So if anyone wants to check that out, that is available now to see an overview as a lot of what we've been talking about but with documents you know shown on screen and stuff so they can have a look at that Excellent. Yes, I look forward to seeing that Alex is a good friend of ours he does good stuff and i can't wait to dive in but man really awesome work fun and provocative and you make a great case for some really epic stuff it's very much appreciated we'll have to do this again sometime but until then take care man thank you very much Greg take care wow

1:14:54 Bruce Fenton. Bringing the heat! Now I'm in a good mood, that was a lot of fun. I like seeing somebody make a compelling case for something as far out as an alien mothership exploding in the air over the Earth? I love this sort-of history... Again just like so many shows the second hour really jumped up when i asked bruce if he thinks there's any chance today is a lead are part of a, draco lineage or agents of draco overlords and. Could a lot of their bio technocratic ideas come out of it desire to track some sort of dna marker

1:15:35 Well from there it was off to the races. I did not know he was going to be as down with that sort of idea, To the degree that he was and i think he crushed his THC appearance about As well as he could and he talks fast so i feel like we did fit four hours into a two hour show. I mean telepathic artifacts? Conscious communication from cosmic containers of knowledge this is pretty unique stuff So much of this kind of material that we hear does come back to the same sort of shape of an alien race running from another alien race in the ancient past, hiding out on earth seeding their DNA creating humans. Echoes of this sort of story are always coming around from one channel or contact D or another

1:16:28 If you fold that sort of context into the angels mating with human women thing, it's all very similar stuff. So let's make it canon already and that is what I say! I also agree with Bruce when he says its not an evidence problem but a people problem. It's an unwillingness to access new information or any information from outside official channels. Obviously that's a big problem in many ways right now People are just losing their minds out there i hope everything's going alright for you listeners probably gonna get repetitive when i say that. We've got to be presenting ourselves as good examples of independent alternative thinkers we're getting a lot of bad PR right now,

1:17:17 And as much as i do like to watch a good public meltdown. I don't think throwing everything out of your car and screaming at the walmart greeter about the plan demick as you storm off is a very effective strategy if i back against all this, Just like how I imagine you wouldn't change that many minds if you started dropping 9-11 truths in the line for airport security. I'm not even saying your wrong, but we're up against the most effective and highly refined propaganda machine this round of human history has known and i don't know if we can win but I doubt thats how it happens if we do. I tend to think calmness & stability plus time

1:18:01 is what does it, it's what gets people to change their minds. Lies can't last forever and that's as true for history as it is for anything and I do have faith that when the capstone cabal plays a big hand like a once in a decade hand or once-a-century hand for that matter It takes time but the number of people who lose their trust in the Empire And all its institutions will grow The amount of people who see it for what it is or at least consider the whole system incompetent and its experts incompetent will increase. And we should make those people feel welcome in this new reality and not alone, and let them know that we don't trust the president either despite the picture painted by pretty much all media but on higher side news the last of the traditional joint session videos is up on the plus member bonus content page

1:18:58 We will still have a monthly joint session. Maybe it needs a new name now, but it's still sort of applies because it's a solo podcast episode that I'll do every month for PLUS members based on the material posted in the joint session forum thread so it's still a combined effort that's where the join comes in But there's also a Q&A thread if you have a question for me and then there is a separate joint session thread for your own theories and wild experiences, and anything else you might want to relay to the PLUS members at large. Content for me to talk about!

1:19:37 I've been told by a lot of people they have interesting things to share but they either can't make the live stream because of work or something, Or they're too nervous to talk on-the-fly. Or they couldn't get called on because i let six people take up three hours That does happen and I'm sorry it is just the nature of taking calls! I don't want to be rude, I'm the host So this way with this new format I think we get more people involved and it will be easier to digest if it's already in your podcast feed. And I'm reading and editing the whole thing down like normal so that's what we're doing there is going on and fill that forum up with stuff for me remember even if you were just a plus member for a month or two years ago your form login still works, It is forever

1:20:28 So if you ever gave me just eight bucks, you can still get in there and participate in those threads. I'm also going to probably read some of the harshest feedback that I get in these joint session podcast shows just because there's something funny about a person reading the nasty things people say about them firsthand we can make comedy out of the venom and that's alchemy right? That is the show big thanks to bruce he is the man of course the first hour had a lot of great stuff wanted to make sure that we got through bruces complete case for this seven hundred and eighty thousand year old event. And then in the plus show like i mentioned it got pretty classic THC and pretty conspiratorial but we talked about stuff like indigenous knowledge alien engineered retro viruses the alien octopi,

1:21:20 cosmic radiation and genetic mutation, bio photons light DNA and the elite reptilians crypto terrestrials Dracoist elite sacrifice bloodline tracing agendas of the elite. And all kinds of really interesting stuff may be better for the inner circle so sign up for plus if you want to hear my full interviews or just listen to The First Hour ad free until your friends if you would be so bold either way it's all good but that said i'm getting out of here. If by chance you do live in san diego and happen to hear this episode and the first few hours its released, add your free tonight are good friends am trippley will be performing at the american comedy company outside that school and in fact get around governor newsom is weird rules around which businesses can and can't operate

1:22:19 It's important to say that the American comedy company in San Diego is not doing live comedy shows. That would be irresponsible, they're hosting live comedic protests. Loopholes right? But hey Sam has a 7 and 9 o'clock show I'll probably be hanging around in between them or after so come say hey if you are one of those like 10 people or so listening will meet those previously mentioned prerequisites. But big thanks to Bruce again, I had a lot of fun! Thanks to you guys for listening he also has that new documentary that summarizes this work as well with visuals put out now on Alex's Skeptico channel do check that out if you like a little more and i'll see ya next time your move ancient alien overlords dna seeders and cosmic draco cult followers

1:23:15 Your fucking move.