Bob Frissell | The Ascension Superwave, Cabal Capture, & The Cosmic Play

00:04 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there be But until you've thoroughly tested every last close-tested view The more you think, the less you really do Where would we be without THC? We know they're lying to us, just don't know to what degree. Yeah! Where would we be without THC? The higher side chats show great Carl Woodward company

00:50 Brace yourselves, Irish Side Chatters. Going deep from the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and if we look at the major themes and insights from a ton of different forms of outlier information across all known time in space including psychedelic experience remote viewing channeled material The commonalities have indigenous cosmologies messages from the alien contactee experiencers the data around past lives and out-of-body experiences, messages in crop circles most spiritual traditions and yes even the Bible. We are reminded that separateness is an illusion and we're all part of the whole that we repeat lives to work through karma and some sort of soul based learning process aimed at total reintegration and then from this earthly vantage point we seek some ascension or upward movement towards a lighter less dense and more enjoyable dimension

01:45 When you get past the flavor text, that seems to be the gist of what the wise ancient and insightful ones have to tell us about human experience. But many of these works also fold in material about Atlantis, previous rounds of civilization, the prospect of a planet X, cyclical cataclysm whatever the asteroid belt once was...and the idea that humanity as we know it might be transplants from some other planetary cosmic garden Is there any memory stored in DNA, the collective unconscious or some sort of source field? And can it be trusted because those who extract things out of it would be the first to say... It gets quite weird.

02:26 Well, way back in the much simpler world of 2015 Bob Frizzell graced us with his presence to talk about the material and his book Nothing In This Book Is True But It's Exactly How Things Are. And a wild two-hour breakdown of the lessons from The Known Ascended Masters, the story that is told of humanity's original Martian homeworld and detailed deep dive into the Lumeria Atlantean saga from A Time Forgotten Today he makes a return to talk about his latest book, Catching the Ascension Wave. Everything you need to know about the coming Great Awakening and I should say that Bob is also the founder of The Breath Alchemy Technique and has been a teacher of breath work for more than 35 years almost as long as i've been alive now let's get into it! The ascension wave surfer fourth density forecaster and capstone cabal critic Bob It's Been A While welcome back

03:17 Greg, that's just an awesome introduction. I love it! Let's go for it. Thanks so much for that. That was just great. Of course. I try to set people up for the material we're going to get into and we are going to be talking about some wild threads today—Ascension, other alien races, the Moon… all kinds of stuff And I do think part of the reason this stuff sounds so out there is that we've been conditioned to think about our world a certain way. in that it's been the same for millions of years and big changes don't really happen suddenly, and the whole evolution thing. But I see a better case made all the time that we had previous rounds of civilizations on the earth that were more advanced. The cabal has technologies that they've kept secret. And even the CIA classified and censored that book The Adam & Eve Story A History Of Cataclysms which outlined sudden radical changes to the earth

04:15 So i'm here for it open minded but to get this started let's talk about what 3d reality and the physical universe seem to be four i've heard you say that when u cross compare many cosmologies they can seem different but at least thirty five of them hit on some major themes that do talk about the same story and the same function for reality let's kick off there if we could. Yeah, they certainly do. You know if we just ask the question about the nature of Ascension itself I mean an obvious question to ask is is it real? And I would say in a word yes it is because as you point out there's references to ascension at least 35 different civilizations

04:58 You know, you can call it their religious myths or whatever you want. But we speak of the prophecies of Jesus—at least some of us do—but it's only consistent with that of 34 other cultures and the prophecies of Jesus appear everywhere in the Koran, the Old Testament…certainly the Native American spiritual tradition has it...the Celtics and the Druids have it…. The Hindu scriptures, well they're very similar because they talk about the Sambharta fire and that's this fire at the end of the age. And they also call it the Yuga Fire and they say that comes from the Sun and it causes rainbow colors in the sky! I wonder what that could be? I think we'll find out. Yeah, we might.

05:46 I like that you are not attached to any one religion or box, we could say. You actually study a lot of them and take the pieces that seem congruent and stack them up in aggregate to form a Modern interpretation i would say of what a lot of these myths and cosmologies and cultures have said. And this is where we kinda talk about the galactic super wave and ascension trigger, and this is pretty wild stuff i mean

06:23 I get more and more comments from people who do say that they feel some kind of shift. And we've talked about how the cabal seems to be in a rush to enact more control with all the agenda 2030 stuff, as if they're trying to beat some sort of cosmic clock. So maybe there is something to it but help make the case to people that this Ascension wave is not only real but it is coming Yeah, no question about it. And it probably seems far out there to the extreme and couldn't possibly be true because life goes on but that's just not the case at all. What I'd like to do Greg is just go back to how this all began for me and I look back in the year about 1990 and it started coming to me that there's missing information that I need to be aware of

07:18 Now, I had no idea, absolutely no idea what that missing information might be but I was open-minded and I realized that I had something that I began to discover that most people do not. And that's a burning desire and what I mean by a burning desire you could call it 100% commitment I was committed in this case to finding out just what that missing information might be and just take it wherever it led me without any presumptions or whatever. And out of that, one thing I do want to say is that I did develop a very, very astute BS meter so that if people are throwing disinformation and lies and propaganda at me, I've gotten pretty darn good — pretty darn good at smoking that out!

08:03 I'm not naive, I don't buy into just anything but I will say back in 1990 a journey began that was just extremely exciting and exhilarating. And I am so happy to report that excitement and exhilaration and total burning desire continues today! And so I just throw that in there because one of the things I began hearing about very early, in fact before 1990. Goodness sakes! I first began to hear about the Hopi prophecies —I believe it was in 1979— and then a couple years later

08:39 it started coming to me in the form that I just couldn't deny because I had enough of a background where the Hopi prophecy is telling us about all sorts of changes that are coming. They're talking about a transition from the fourth into the fifth world, they talk about the day of purification, they're talking about the Ascension putting it you know in their own terminology So I didn't fully grasp it back in 1979, it was just coming to me in pieces. But the less than exciting part was all the stuff I was hearing about Earth changes including entire continents moving up and down and pole shifts and a lot of people were talking about this sort of thing and at that time I didn't really know what to make out of all that but I stayed with it and it just all began to come together

09:28 And so, I'm not here as a prophet of doom and gloom. Quite to the contrary! I say that well on a personal note, I am totally an optimist and I see that everything is unfolding exactly as it should in the great cosmic scheme of things. The road is going to get a little bumpy, it's already a little bit bumpy but I think it's gonna get a lot more bumpy in the next year or so But that's necessary in the Great Awakening process because I will just simply say there is a great awakening that we are in the midst of and it's on the horizon because we ain't seen nothing yet. Now you speak of this great cosmic galactic superwave, as I like to call it, this enormous infusion of higher dimensional energy that's coming in. It's called the Galactic Superwave by The Sacred Space Program

10:19 and I probably just threw something out there that we might want to dig into a little bit deeper at some point. But anyway, this galactic superwave as they like to call it is dramatically raising the vibratory rate of the planet and everyone on it. No one is going to escape this! And so, the question is are we able to catch the wave? Catch the ascension wave as I like to call it and in so dramatically increase our vibratory rate and in so doing just be very much the collective catalyst that allows the planet to become lit from within. So we can move individually and collectively into the higher worlds

11:01 And we'll continue to unpack this as we go on, but my research tells me that this is very real stuff. I think it's great that we've got two hours! We can really do a pretty good job of diving into this. So thanks for having me on, I really appreciate the opportunity. Of course, and as you say, you are hearing stuff Back in the seventies about radical earth changes and pole shifts. Of course, we went through the 2012 Mayan prophecy era and these are the kinds of things that make me skeptical I think there's just something in the minds of men that want to believe that In their lifetime they're gonna see

11:46 The big show like it's all coming down it's like it's not just gonna be the end of my life the whole story ends with me at that maybe something about the ego i don't know but. I grew up hearing about the rapture and the second coming in and the apocalypse send them off course people talk about, astrological phases and we're entering into the new age and everything is gonna radically change and also heard about indigo kids they were the first ones to get this Cosmic upgrade this third strand DNA and now i'm like I look at the younger kids on my there's nothing elevated about their mind state maybe they've just been captured by another one of the cabal tools the little cell phone screen but this is always being talked about and sometimes things like that you guys are long arc massive

12:39 cycles that extend many, many lifetimes. So one thought might be well why should I care about the galactic superwave unless it's going to be coming in the next couple of years? And i don't know if we could even put that kind of number on it but I guess I would respond to that thought that might be going on in people's minds with well if the earth is a soul school type of thing and we do live recurring lifetimes human lives well you should care because you're working on an evolution of your core being through multiple life times and even if you only get a piece of this knowledge now, and the techniques on how to upgrade yourself. You can carry it on in the next life eventually something seems like it might be coming based on all these different

13:29 things that people throw out about the end of the line. Well, I guess talk to us a little bit more about the timing of this galactic super wave and what it actually means for people listening? Good. We've been hearing about it ever since the 1950s, various ET races coming in and doing their best to try and tell us hey guys there's some big changes that are going to be going on your planet here! And so I devoted entire chapter in my book called Contact In The Desert And you know, the question well, the ET thing is that real? Well yes it is real. Yeah, it's real! I don't question that one bit and in the 1950s like I said they've been telling us since then that we're going to go into a new zone of energy in our galaxy and it's going to transform our Sun, our entire solar system and every aspect of our lives are gonna be changed

14:30 And there was a guy by the name of W.B Smith, a Canadian radio communications engineer — this is again back in the 1950s — and he was actually hired by the Canadian government to go into and take a deep dive look at this whole UFO and ET phenomenon And he even had pieces of the wreckage from Roswell in 1947, and he heard the accountings of pilots and different stories. But he began to realize that well you know I can't really dig too deep if that's all i've got. He began to realize what would be very useful would be to come into contact with actual ET contactees — people who have actually

15:17 taken a ride on the ships and conversed with these people, be it telepathic or whatever. And so really a great way to do it was back in the 1950s there was an annual UFO conference in Joshua Tree California and it was a big deal because typical attendance at that conference was about 5,000 people many of whom claimed to be ET contacts And so W.B Smith went there and he listened to these, and you know these are very interesting stories and everything but he began to wonder well but is it really real? So what he did was he devised a hundred part questionnaire

15:58 Where if you were who you said you were, you would tend to answer these questions and respond to them in one certain way. And if you weren't, you would not pass." So it worked wonders for him and he began to really tune-in and trust the people that said they were contactees because they answered the questions in the appropriate manner And so they all had very, very similar stories to say the essence of which is that there is a great wave, a cosmic dust cloud it's also called that's coming in and it's going to impact everyone and everything throughout our solar system. And then what it does is it acts as a great catalyst causing people to wake up and to come out of the deep slumber that we've been in for a long long time

16:48 So one of the more interesting aspects of the experiences of W.B Smith was he made contact with an author, a very well-known author back in the day, a guy by the name of George Hunt Williamson and so George Hunt Williamson was in fact to contactee and these two collaborated on a very very deep level Being an author, George Hunt Williamson wrote a number of books. His classic I think would be called Road in the Sky and this is where he details this. And it's not just him what he's getting it's all the information that is coming from these ET contactees and they're all saying the same thing

17:31 And then, and I'm really glad he did because I'm not a student of the Bible but he certainly was at least enough to put in some really great biblical quotes that detail the total transformation. The changes that we along with the Earth well not only us but the entire solar system must and will make because we're on a journey from the third density reality that we experience and live as our day-to-day life, into a world that is so vast an upgrade that it's almost beyond our ability to imagine it. We're talking about nothing less than the ascension from 3rd to 4th density!

18:08 And so, the Bible calls this the quickening of the spirit and they go on to say that flesh and blood cannot make it through. That our bodies have to be transformed into light bodies in order to as they would call it enter the kingdom of heaven or we would call it the kingdom of the fourth density! And they go on to say these biblical codes that this change will happen in a moment and it just goes on from there Really, it details just about every bit of what is most likely to happen including some of the Earth changes. The biblical codes do cover that and it just goes into and covers all the details you know they just make the point that flesh-and-blood cannot make it through you have to change into a light body and that you have to be willing to raise your vibratory rate raise your consciousness

19:02 Basically, to bottom line simplify it, it's the shift from what's in it for me for what's in it for the greater good. Or as The Law of One calls it, the shift from — how do they call that? Service-to-self where you're really not considering anything other than your own best interests and you don't much care about how many people you stomp on and try and control in order to get what you want That's going to get you nowhere fast. That's going to keep you on the karmic wheel for many, many lifetimes." So what they talk about is that the Great Awakening is a shift from what's in it for me to the shift for being committed to the greater good and now when you begin to look at life as though

19:51 you're just a smaller part of the whole. And that, what is the spirit, the eternal, the one spirit that moves through all life in me want for the greater good? How does it want me to put myself out there in a way that reflects itself and the greatest good of the whole?" Now you're beginning to burn off karma and now you're beginning to prepare yourself because you are raising your vibratory rate, and you are beginning to align yourself with the great changes that we've been told ever since the 1950s are coming. I am open to the light body. I think anyone who's had an out-of-body experience would be because you realize your consciousness is largely intact, your inner monologue is there but yet you are outside of your body and to me light body and soul are pretty equatable terms so...I could see something like a process where we must be in the light body to be something that just wipes out

20:55 Life on the earth and we just go into our soul cells because i guess i just don't know what an upgrade to fourth density really means in practical terms because as you say you can do it with flesh-and-blood well that to me says okay the sole the sole will go through this process and reintegrate with a great source perhaps i guess but what would we look at in nature too show us an example of something being quote upgraded to quote a fourth density because it seems unprecedented. There doesn't seem to be a lot of examples to look at in the way nature and reality works, to be like oh it'll be something like X Y or Z are there any examples we can point you? Because I think everybody who's been in this space for awhile has heard the terms upgrade to fourth density

21:52 But I don't know if anybody really has had it explained. Well, there's a lot of things i can say and i'll begin by suggesting that Nikola Tesla way back in the day I suspect easily he's the most brilliant scientist we've ever had, in my view he is anyway. And what he said is that if you want to understand the universe, you have to think of it in terms of energy frequency and vibration so energy frequency and vibration and so everything is energy and its vibrating at a certain rate now when you and I and you see that includes you and I individually and collectively

22:31 And when you and I are stuck in the lower vibratory centers, you know of when our fear takes us over. If we're at the effect of the fear if we haven't taken any steps to master it if we're still victimized by it, if you will. And not only the fear but the frustration, the anxiety, the guilt, shame and all this stuff that we get saddled with in this lifetime perhaps you have some insight as to what I mean here is something that we've all picked up a significant amount of baggage now when that stuff is activated I mean if your fear takes over just for example you are now vibrating at a very dense rate

23:13 And so, if you go back to the quote of everything is frequency energy and vibration. Now the body in its natural state, the energy in the body wants to be in motion But the energy gets all jammed up when we're at the effect of our fears and our limitations and our frustrations and our anxieties. And so now, the energy is just sitting there it's just stuck is just stagnant in that's what I mean when I say that when were the effect to that, we're vibrating out a very dense rate Now, you know that when you experience moments of joyfulness and glee. I mean, you're a new dad! You must have had some experience in that area very recently? It's a joyful experience. Well when you're feeling joy and unconditional love...I mean goodness sakes here look at your family and there is reason right there now you are vibrating at much higher rate right? Could you verify that? Sure

24:12 I don't know how to measure it, but it feels symbolic that yeah. I could say so well you don't have to measure because it's all in how you feel that's enough measurement right there when you're stuck and fear and limitation and frustration and anxiety and guilt and shame You don't feel very darn good If you do, you're just fooling yourself. But when you're in the midst of a joyful experience, you are feeling good and so that's one thing about us we do like to feel good but a lot of people don't really know how to get there it just happens kind of haphazardly

24:49 But I would suggest that that's the transformation that we're in process of going through, whether we know it or not, whether we like it or not. Learning how to align with various energies of the universe and in our bodies because our body is a microcosm, it's a fully functioning hologram of the whole! And so increasing our vibratory rate is fundamental. Now, the whole thing about the light body It reminds me of the guy who wrote the book Saved by the Light, Danien Brinkley. And that book has only sold about 22 million copies so you might say it's got around the block a few times. Danien Brinkley is the guy who died four times yet he's still alive and so what he had was four near-death experiences

25:35 The first one was way back in the day, in 1975 when he was struck by lightning while he was talking on the telephone and the telephone just melted in his hands. And he had the experience of a lifetime whether he wanted to or not and for 28 minutes he was clinically dead And so he was able to, in his soul body or in his light body if you will, to look down and experience and see himself. His body that was in pretty rough shape just say the least. You get struck by lightning like that and can only imagine! So he was gone on the other side for 28 minutes

26:13 And even though it was only 28 minutes, goodness sakes! It was a lifetime worth of experience for him. He went through what is called the panoramic life review where in a flash, every single thing that he ever experienced not only from his point of view but also from the other person's point of view. Anything and everything that he had ever done, every experience in his life it all came flashing right back at him. Now it was particularly interesting in Danian's case because he was not —in his own words—he was anything but a model person He was confused. He was an angry kid, he must have been in a pretty constant state of upset.

27:01 that they had a demerit system. And if you had, I don't know just a small number of demerits —I forget the number he said— I guess your parents would be called in and you'd have to go visit the principal together and if you got a few more you probably be expelled from school for a few days." And I think he said it was in excess of 150 demerits in the first three days of school? He said how is that kind of student! You can just imagine We had some rowdies back in the day when I was at school, but nothing like that. And it didn't get any better because he joined the military and he became a trained assassin

27:39 And so he got to experience every bit of this, what it was like from his parents' point of view. What it was like from the people he assassinated and from their loved ones, from their point of view — all that in The Panoramic Life Review. He came back totally transformed because he realized you and I don't get away with anything we might think we do but the law of karma says uh-uh! What goes around comes around and it's going to come right back and it's going to hit you. And if it doesn't do it during your lifetime, its for sure gonna do it during the panoramic life review not to punish you but just to give you an opportunity to wake up enough so you can begin to resolve some of the karma so you can become ascension ready. Oops! Threw that word ascension out again

28:26 So that to me is just a fascinating story. Now talking, before I move on, talking about how he came back totally transformed — he realized hey the law of karma is very real stuff and for all the people that he assassinated he knew it was all going to come back to him and so he had an enormous karmic debt to pay And so he became a hospice volunteer and he sat in front of dying veterans to the tune of many thousands of them, and was with many hundreds if not a few thousand veterans the moment they died. The moment they passed over. So he established his own... He called it The Twilight Brigade I do believe. You speak of a guy coming back totally transformed —I can confirm that—

29:16 Back in the day, I met him. We were both featured speakers at a number of whole living expos and other conferences too and I mean Daniel Brinkley was just this shining ball of light! It's like he was happy and present in a way that at first glance you just wonder is this guy for real? Nobody's that much of a shining ball of light, what's going on here?! But you get to know the guy a little bit and I begin to realize, yeah it's very truly absolutely so for him. And then taking a look at his book and digging deeper, I began to realize just exactly why. So with that said there is no such thing as death but what i'm talking about here is that when you go through ascension you bring your body with you

30:03 And unlike leaving the body back, as Daniel was able to report that he was able to look down and see his body. He did come back! So he's still alive today. Goodness sakes the healing that he went through and the trauma that he had put up with it was a big deal coming back I mean it was paralyzed you can just go on and on with that but its quite an amazing story But to really cut to the bottom line, Greg, what I want to make is that number one there is no death. Life continues forever and ever. The soul is eternal and it is immortal but in ascension you bring your body with you and so we become not only immortal on the soul sense but also immortal in the physical sense

30:46 And we'll continue to unpack this. I appreciate your skepticism, my question you if you didn't have a few doubts it makes it more interesting. Well, I am on your page broadly speaking and I try not to get too into the nitty gritty details because some things seem unknowable but I do lean towards this being a real thing kind of an individualized process because I can't be responsible for others progress or What's the point of the one source fracturing out so much if I have to also be responsible for other people? But you're saying it's both. It's an individualized process to be ready

31:26 and then a cosmic vibratory wave to bump the ones up who are sending out the right notes, bumping them up an octave. If you're playing the chords of ego or anger bitterness that's not the divine music go back and retune your instrument." And I just wanted to talk about something you said with war i never thought about war this way but You could say that sending thousands of people to war is a way for the elite to burden us with a lot of negative karma if their role in the system, if the cabal's role

32:05 keep this knowledge secret and to keep us trapped here well sending a lot of young men toward kill each other that's gonna cause a lotta cosmic baggage and. This also kind of factors in i didn't even plan to talk about, the COVID era or anything like that. But I've heard a few people making the case that what people got in the shot might actually be the thing that is making them sick, and then eventually maybe with 5G or something it'll all be activated. That theory is out there in many different forms and people always respond well, that doesn't make any sense because why would the elite

32:46 kill off the most loyal you would think the elite wood kill off the rebels and reward. The obedient sheeple it's like yeah but not if this is a soul school if the role of the elite is to be opposing force, and our responsibility is to rise above certain things then no, our discernment would be rewarded in the greater game. And people's obedience to the cabal would be the punishment." It's like nope you didn't learn how to trust yourself and trust the truth.

33:25 you gave in to fear, you did something based on your fear and now you gotta come back again and the elite caught ya. So I don't know but i guess i wanted to ask a little bit more about the cabal and how we interface with them and their role in this whole system because it seems like if they have this knowledge they would want to be working on there own ascension process cutting off their nose to spite their face by screwing up all of ours because they're also going to be stuck here. They're not going to vibrate at the right frequency No, they aren't. Boy we're all over the map aren't we? I know! I threw a lot of stuff out there but it's like what's the point of holding the knowledge if you aren't going to work on the process from the elite perspective, the cabal perspective? Okay so what i'd like to do is just go back to the beginning and what I would like to say is that there was a time in fact I gave it a whole chapter as the chapter is called When We Were One

34:20 If you go back to the very early beginnings of the universe, there was no veiling. Meaning that the people in all the galaxies and all the planets were in full awareness of their intimate connection to the One Infinite Creator they were aware on all details, on all levels that they were a fully functioning hologram of the one spirit that moves through all life everywhere. Now what do I mean by a fully functioning hologram of the whole? Well we know that if you take a hologram and shine a laser through it what you're going to get is a very interesting looking 3D image

34:59 And we also know that if you take that hologram and cut it into, you know as many pieces as you want. Let's just say four equal pieces but it could be a thousand pieces but let's go with four. If you take the hologram and cut it into four equal pieces and then shine a light through each of those four pieces You're going to get a quarter-sized version of the whole image so the whole image is still in the quarter size piece that you cut it And so, that's what I mean when I say that you and I are a fully functioning hologram of the one infinite creator. And back in the day in the early days of the universe there was no veiling, so everyone was in full awareness of that and you might think that well wouldn't that be fantastic?

35:48 And the Law of One, and by the way the Law of One is a document that at some point I would like to talk a little bit more about what it is and where it came from. Why I consider it to be important in why I use it as a source fairly consistently throughout the book but The Law of One says that no this was not great in fact it was an absolute disaster because people were just lying around totally blissed out lifetime after lifetime. There was no creativity, there was no incentive, there was no reason to grow, no reason to learn I mean if you're in full awareness of who you are, you're in total bliss but after awhile that total bliss gets kind boring and gets stagnant and there's no growth And so it was realized that the universe is not working

36:40 And the solution was to put a veiling over each individual at such a degree that each person now had virtually no awareness of their intimate connection to the whole and just began to see themselves as separate beings, disconnected from the whole and not connecting the dots. Now, the interesting thing is that it started working because what it allowed for was creativity and the incentive to grow and to learn. And so good things like music and art began to appear for the first time So that was the positive aspect of it. But it also allowed for negativity to begin to appear. See, when we were in total bliss and full awareness of our intimate connection to all that is there was no negativity I mean you know We were just all lying around acting like spoiled rich kids with everything handed to us One big hippie orgy huh?

37:40 So now negativity is allowed to appear because even though the negative or the dark side is a fully functioning hologram of the whole, if it doesn't know that it is then it gets an opportunity to play the role of the dark side. And interestingly enough, even though it might seem like it's bad and evil and terrible and why would we want negativity when they do some terrible things? That I would suggest is just a function of our perspective. Because we're looking at mind, at the life through our reactive mind which is polarized. The mind is in a continual state of judgment

38:19 If we look at the reality out there, at a person out there and if the person or if the reality doesn't meet our idealized standard of how that person or the reality should be, we judge it. We make it wrong and so we don't connect the dots to see wholeness where in the continual state of judgment and it just goes on like that and so I would suggest that seeing the negativity is a bad and terrible thing, and it does all admit some rather dastardly evil things. I'm not a fan of war, not a fan of the cabal to be clear but in the larger scheme of things in the perspective of oneness where everything is a continuation of the whole they're just two different aspects

39:02 The forces of light do everything they can to bring us into the light as quickly as possible and the forces of darkness do everything they can, to keep us stuck in fear and limitation for as long as possible. But in the greater scheme of things, the two are actually working together and they serve as a timing agent but in the midst of our polarity mind-based consciousness we miss that and we're totally dependent upon the good guys must win, and we must annihilate the bad guys. Well it never has worked very well And it never will. And so the fallacy of war is that if we can just defeat the bad guys, I guess we're going to live happily ever after and it's just simply not true! All it does is create new and more complex problems and the whole thing as you were suggesting or implying—the whole thing has orchestrated for a long time from behind the curtain by the global cabal, the global elite for a long, long time

40:04 And so it's gotten us nowhere fast. Kept us stuck in fear and limitations, basically what it's done and in survival. Yes! And I am totally with you. I see the purpose of a cabal, a negative force in the great cosmic play...it can't all just be puppy dogs and rainbows, there has to be negative for it to be a full spectrum experience. I get that. What I'm asking is the actual members of the elite are they other humans having an experience the same as us or are they something different at the highest levels of the pyramid? Because to have this knowledge of the things that you're speaking of

40:45 and then to weaponize it and use it against people, well that hinders their own ascension. Because if the goal of every human being is to be ready for this ascension and vibrate at the right frequency I accept that by the nature of their actions what good is the knowledge? If you're not going to abide by it so there has been suggestions that the cabal at the highest levels has actually made a pact With the higher source to say look we will reincarnate here over and over and over again. We will play this role for you so that everything has a full spectrum experience and

41:30 in return maybe the rewarded way way down the line who knows but i guess that's my question is what is the benefit to be elite you have this knowledge no the real secrets of the game and then be not playing it appropriately some say that's the reason why they're so obsessed with their bloodlines that's why they're so obsessed with inter reading because these are the mechanisms in which. They have been able to quarantine themselves away from the rest of us to play that role. This kind of comes from the hidden hand material, other people have talked about it as well but what do you say to that? Because if Bob if you were a member of The Cabal and you had all this knowledge yet you are doing all the things The Cabal does you'd be cutting off your nose despite your face would be a catch-22

42:20 It would be, and to be clear Greg they're not going to ascend. They're not going to make it through too much of a karmic debt-to-pay yet they are allowed to exist. Why are they allowed to exist? Well if you take a look into our own individual lifetimes and I'll illustrate this by telling you a little bit about a client that i had recently Well, first of all just to set the scene a little bit what I would suggest and what i talk about in my books is that you and I exist in threeness. There's higher self there's middle self and there is lower self now when we're operating out of our reactive mind we are in our middle self and we're living life conceptually we're really not present with life

43:04 And the reason we aren't is that we are blocked from our connection to Source, which is our heartfelt connection to Source through our higher self. And the mechanical mind will absolutely do that and what it is in order to connect with a higher self, we first must go down Now, going down to the lower self which is actually a child. It's the inner child —a child of about two to six years of age— and it's the child within each and every one of us that has all this unresolved emotional trauma...emotional and for many people physical unresolved trauma

43:42 that we never did learn how to deal with in a useful conscious way, so we continue to repeat it over and over and over in ways that most people are not even aware of because the beliefs and the operating aspect in all of it lies deep in the subconscious mind which is very much like the iceberg 90% of which is below the surface. So, in order to begin to heal and begin to create oneness and unity in our life we must first go down and learn how to resolve the emotional trauma that we all experience as children. And for many people the physical trauma they use that to set the stage now I want to talk a little bit about the client who told me in really great detail about his relationship with his father

44:32 First of all, when he was a kid he wet the bed and dad just could not handle that. And then he had a sister—a younger sister—and he told specifically one day when he and his sister were playing —and maybe they got into a bit of a disagreement I guess you could call it that—the kid my client began to take it out in ways that I guess you could say were inappropriate towards his sister. His father came home and saw that And his dad just went into an absolute rage and he took the kid, and he started pounding his head against the wall. He gave him a concussion."

45:10 The concussion so severe that they had to go to the doctor, had to go to the hospital to get attended to. And on their way to the hospital, the kid was instructed don't you dare say what really happened! You say that you were riding your bicycle I remember exactly what story he gave but let's just suppose it was you're riding your bicycle and you fell down and hit your head. What is the kid going to do? If he tells the truth to the doctor in the hospital, his head is only going to be banged against a wall even some more. So we have to go along with this story." Now the kid grows up and how was he supposed to deal with that? He didn't have any idea so it grows up with all this emotional and physical baggage that he never had any proper recourse for, never had any opportunity to complete

46:01 And I'm so pleased to say that it all ended well where I showed him how and gave him the opportunity to resolve, to heal the inner child. So he could in fact get on with his life and do it in such a way where he could rediscover Wholeness and Completion then begin to live life as an exciting adventure rather than just something where you're stuck going through the motions And so, we've got all of this stuff going on in our lives and incest and whatever. And then for the most part were not allowed to talk about that. Well as above so below. Thoth is from when he was Hermes of Greece is, to my knowledge the first person to suggest that. And so it iterates out into the larger scheme of things when the cabal plays out that role for us

46:50 And so, really fundamentally what it comes back to Greg is that the opportunity for us and then we come back to this great cosmic dust cloud. This supergalactic wave that's coming in that is stirring things up and giving us an opportunity to wake up, to raise our vibratory rate so we can begin to move through these things and get to the point where we don't need the outer reminder of the cabal to act this out for us So, in that sense and that context they've been playing an absolutely necessary role for us. As evil and disgusting as it might seem—and doing it from the shadows, from behind the curtain to the point where most people don't even know what the heck we're talking about! I think your audience does though, they're a bit more enlightened than you know, The Average Joe Sixpack... Yes But you know what I mean Yeah, you do say in the book that the cabal is a reflection

47:46 of the larger whole what's going on in the individual and i think that's an interesting framing now you mentioned aliens earlier and i wanted to try to fit this into the first hour but. I was a big bill cooper fan and you have a section of the book we talk about the offer we rejected and you say that bill cooper stated that in nineteen seventy two, he saw two reports relating to government concern involvement with alien creatures

48:27 and their interference on this planet. Well, we know about the supposed Eisenhower meeting that's been talked about a lot but what else did Bill see in these reports? And what do you consider to be the role of the Grays in this big system?" Well let's talk about the offer that we rejected first it's interesting you say that you're into Bill Cooper because he was Well, back in 1989-1990 he was one of my main sources of information. And then when I became a speaker at various UFO conferences, a guy from Bulgaria and a guy by the name Vladimir –I don't remember his last name but you put the two of those together, Vladimir and Bill Cooper – let's throw it L. Bielek just to make it interesting trio here– they were talking about stuff that most people just did not accept

49:20 I mean, I got to know a lot of people at the UFO conferences — both the speakers and the attendees. I just hung out a lot and just talked a lot and kept my ears open a lot and just began to realize very clearly that most people thought Bill Cooper was a kook, and they didn't want to hear a word about Vladimir. who was talking about the secret space program and the Germans developing UFOs in an underground base in Antarctica called Neuschwanland, all of which I've confirmed later. But let's just focus in on Cooper. So he is talking about the offer that we rejected, a race of benevolent ETs coming in and saying hey you guys might want to be a little careful about those greys because they may not have your best interests at heart

50:10 you know, the white hat aliens if you will. The offer that we rejected? They came in and said look, we'll help you out and we'll do it without any well just one string attached. We'll show you how to clean up the pollution all of the pollution on your planet. We'll give you what you want what you need it was just almost too good to be true scenario yet they were fully capable of delivering. The one condition is that we give up our nuclear weapons But you see, we were in the midst of all—it began in 1947 with the Roswell crash which was not just a weather balloon. That was the disinformation, the lies, the propaganda, the cover-up that began but it really did happen and so we back engineered, reversed engineered all this

50:59 Guy by the name of Corso wrote a book called The Day After Roswell, where he revealed through reverse engineering that all this amazing technology came out of guess what? The Roswell crash in reverse engineering. But evidently we weren't able to really figure out the antigravity technology and how to make these UFO things work And then, with all that was going on — more crash disks and more aliens coming in and not knowing exactly what it meant and what to do about it — the U.S. government just couldn't accept the idea or the possibility of giving up nuclear weapons. You know? In their view we would be defenseless. What do we do now? So that was the offer that we rejected.

51:45 And then, as the story goes, Eisenhower met in I think 1953 or 1954 with the Greys, signed a treaty with them and it just went on from there. They were allowed to abduct certain human beings with the promise of bringing them back unharmed — they broke their promises. We quickly learned we couldn't really trust these guys but we also realized that we couldn't begin to compete with them technologically speaking And yeah, they did give us a few scraps of information. But it just goes on from there so... Oh! There's just so many more places we can go with this." There really are. I just wanted to see if before we run out of time in the first hour or the next few minutes, we could talk about the role of the Greys in this system? Are they also part of The Greater Whole, The Source, or are they something different? No everybody is part of The Greater Whole. Everybody is part of The Souls.

52:42 Everyone is a fully functioning hologram of the one infinite creator. It's just that some beings are more aware of it than others and so there is a hierarchy within the greys, and nothing in this book is true but exactly how things are I only presented the less desirable side of the greys, the abductions in all of that but what I missed and what has come to me since then, what I included in the new book is that they also had another side to them in that when a planet becomes ascension ready. Now I don't know if we can get into all of this and just how much time do we have left in the first half? Just a couple of minutes, we'll get into more in the second half but just to put a fine point on something stick the landing for us

53:27 Well, OK. So when a planet becomes ascension ready and I'll cover the details in the second half of just what that means but for now I'll say that in the normal case, in the normal scenario not everybody on a planet that's about to go from 3D to 4D is going to make it through so the question is what happens to those who are not ascension-ready? And as extreme and far out as this might sound and I will back every bit of it up in the second half The Greys are one of the race of beings whose, one of their main function appears to be, to come in as cloning experts and reclone the bodies into an upgrade. And to time travel the people who are not ascension ready, time travel them and place them on another third density planet

54:14 where they will be given the opportunity to live their life and to go through however many lifetimes it takes, to work through their karma so that they too can become Ascension-ready. And so it's not just me saying this there is a book called Cosmic Voyage that goes into great detail about this and there is also the document called The Law of One that says exactly the same thing. The Greys, I guess you could say there's good and bad in all of us. And the so-called dark side of the Greys is the darker side of the abductions most people didn't enjoy being abducted but what they also didn't realize that to a great extent it was also for their own greater good but it's kind of hard to explain that when you're being abducted I guess. I don't know I've never been abducted. Right right. Never been there. Damn well that is

58:10 And that's the life that becomes possible for everybody as they learn to discover their innate ability to transmute energy, raise their vibratory rate be the best person they can be and let's get on with it. Let's live happily ever after! And in the interim period lets create a heaven on earth here in third density where the hidden technology will be revealed to us, we will be able to replace the internal combustion engine not with this electric vehicle nonsense but I mean with true technology. You know pollution-free hover cars for example based on anti gravity and the free energy that Tesla tried to give us in the early 20th century what would our lives individually and collectively be like if that was all brought out?

59:00 Now that, I say is a function of the Great Awakening which indeed, I am suggesting will propel us into an individual and collective growth that will bring the entire planet along. And we're talking about propelling ourselves into fourth density where according to the Law of One, that will be entering into a world that is minimally 100 times more joyful you just name it! More joyful, more creative, more exciting, more loving more compassionate than even your very best moments here in third density. So that's what my book is about, and I think that's worth shooting about. Yeah you can go to my website bobforsell.com maybe a better place to go is to Amazon or your favorite bookstore and check out my books! And then if you like what you read come and check me out! Yes well cheers to all that! I will say the way I've seen some of these Florida drivers drive...I don't know if they need hover cars but

59:58 That will be something we'll work out, I'm sure in time. But thank you so much for the dedication. I appreciate today's conversation as I do the one we had eight years ago. Good luck on catching the wave my man! I will try to ride it with you when the time comes but until then thanks again and take care. You're welcome and thanks so much for having me and i've enjoyed it just as much as I did eight years ago Alright guys, the return of Bob Frizzell! When we did that first interview he told a very detailed account of Thoth and the material from as they say The Emerald Tablets and The Atlantean Lumarian Saga. And it was such a detailed single narrative that it just felt weird to cut into a free-and-plus show so I just put it out in full and did another one that month. And I think that's why even now people comment on really liking that one

1:00:57 And I definitely had that point in my journey where i was really interested in that spirit science series and the work of Drunvalo Malkisadek, and stuff that really gets into some new agey territory. I like the epic stories! I liked the sacred geometry aspects but at this point I think I've digested enough channeled material that I see how a lot of it has a tendency to hit the same beats And maybe there is some big epic story of humans coming from Mars. Maybe there's a spaceship beneath the Great Pyramids, could be... Although I think it's more possible that what was meant was less of a literal metal spaceship and more of a tool for projecting consciousness or the astral body through space. I more-or-less think that's what the pyramids probably were for which to me explains why there are so many around the planet

1:01:54 with so many different configurations and styles, because if they were mechanical weapons or energy generators I think we'd find at least a few more pieces of technical equipment in some of them somewhere. But again pretty off topic So yes! I think this latest book is a very appropriate evolution and through line for Bob's work This is the sort of thing I could see him focused on in 2023. And a lot of THC episodes are about letting a guest make their case, and there is a huge contingency of the conspiracy counterculture that is right in line with a lot of what Bob had to say. I'm obviously a bit more skeptical on some of this as was pretty obvious at times especially in The Plus Show where it did get a little spicy regarding David Wilcock

1:02:52 Bob would say, okay get over Wilcox. Let's move on but then in the next breath he would cite a secret space program whistleblower that is in that same milieu and In my mind That's not moving on it's still the 20 and back stuff that wilcock was all about maybe still is I haven't listened to him in A long long time so I was kind of like yeah let's really move on and leave that whole body of work alone And eventually we did. But yeah, the second hour has that very rare dose of spice that few THC episodes have but it's all good fun and we both walked away enjoying this and we don't have to agree on everything Bob would even say that its just one layer of material that brings him to conclusions he comes too so you can still get there without it

1:03:46 And that's fair to say, but even in the first hour I brought up the Indigo Kids thing. I did a deep dive into that back when THC episodes were still numbered episode 79 in 2013. I consider that very relevant adjacent kind of material we were talking about 10 year olds that embodied this new wave of energy, this evolved empathetic telepathic communal awakened state And now those kids are 20 and I'm not seeing much of it. I'd rather take the approach of a Jim Gale, improve our experience in practical ways, advocate for action right now getting people more engaged with nature living better lives living healthier lives putting a dent in the cabal's plans and pocketbook. Then if there is an ascension wave

1:04:46 I'd expect someone like that to be catching it all the same anyway. So, I think there's a lot of compelling stuff in Bob's book and I tried to bring those parts out in this interview—Mars, the Moon Matrix, The Cabal and Karma…I mean, I am on page that there is something to an ascension process but I do think its an individualized thing—something more like the Weighing of the Heart Ceremony—ascend or come back and live another life? but I'm not as on board with a Rapture-like mass ascension. It's just the way I lean when I think about how a system like ours, a soul school, a sandbox for experience would be designed. It's more efficient and more practical for each individual point of light to be on its own timeline. Yes the separateness is an illusion but why even BE separate if your progress

1:05:46 is hampered by or reliant on the collective process. Again, I'm no expert. Bob has done so much more research and work on these themes and thus his thoughts have a lot more value than mine but sometimes it's fun to do episodes about aspects of the counterculture that i have questions about and through the push-and-pull some people will come away feeling more or less aligned with this perspective It's better than just nodding yes and going along the whole way, which is a criticism I get quite often. But I got a lot of respect for Bob. We're on the same page in terms of rejecting war and the agendas of the cabal and really seeing everything as part of the whole and seeing a role for darkness in these spectrums of experience. I think we both agree that we're in a cosmic play but we might have different thoughts on how Act 3 plays out

1:09:34 We're getting weird, people. I've also started putting up video clips from these episodes across Instagram, Telegram, Twitter and YouTube, I suppose? I take one clip from the first hour and one from the second so if you're curious about segments you might have missed, you can get a peek at them there! And I thank Soundwave for being the guy to put those together for me. Also, big thanks to Brooke from Sound Better for this cover of the THC theme music She was on season 17 of The Voice, Team Kelly Clarkson and she's sung for people such as John Legend, Blake Sheldon, Gwen Stefani, Jimmy Page and now Greg Carlwood. So she has finally made it guys! Let's raise a glass and congratulate her on her rise And with that it is time to check out the THC Meetup calendar and see where its all going down

1:10:36 All right, November 11th. It's coming up that was the day of many events we have the trails cafe in LA We have twisted pastries coffeehouse and superior Wisconsin and a PlayStation party chat get involved November 14 people are hanging out in squim Washington at the oak table Cafe November 16th, Whitefish Montana. November 17th Oakland California. November 18th Cape Girardeau Missouri and November 18 as well Ottawa Canada I like it. It seems like we got a few events pretty much every weekend until Thanksgiving week and it's cold out there, I get it most people want to stay in this time of year but hop on there highersidemeetups.com find the others if you're feeling bold or just be lonely for another holiday season break the cycle! It's time

1:11:33 But alright I'm getting out of here. Your move Ascension Superwave Riders, descendants of the Ancient Builder race and lesson learners of the Law Of One. Your fucking move. Oh no you see The world isn't random it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play bad recordings From some spying agency Wish we were younger and free

1:12:30 I'll be thankful when it's all exposed. A vast conspiracy, there is such a difference between me and the Denver shadows. From the highest of the gods they'll tell you that story of everything that's been done and they'll call out deception of the web that's been spun. Hello from the higher side, The earth is high They'll tell you about something That no one else will Have you heard? Have you heard about the real since love woke up? No

1:13:45 They're cartoons. It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument? That nothing really happens, it's no secret And that the best is plush It's doubling your time They're calling out a thousand crimes. They'll tell you something the elite have done, and they'll call out deception on the web that's been swallowed from the challenging your path. And I'll tell you someday that the battle has begun but we can't fight it with violence

1:15:04 The mind's where it's won. So let the one come up from the higher side, hang out on. They'll tell you what they've done and they'll call that a fiction of the web that spins full of from the higher side challenging your paradigm and I'll tell you

1:16:10 that the battle's begun but we can't fight it with violence, the mind's where it's won