Bibhu Dev Misra | Yuga Shift, Underground Beings, & The Cosmic Rock Bottom

02:45 Bye! The planets pop in my space almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man and until we've thoroughly tested every last closed-chested view I find them all we think we know unless we really do where would we be without THC

03:21 Because we know they're lying to us just don't know to what degree Where would we be without THC? The higher side chest that call wouldn't company It's the end of the world as we know it, people. But I feel fine from The Sunshine State! I'm Greg Carlwood and we are well aware of the destruction that has been done to indigenous and old-world knowledge and were frequently confronted with how inaccurate our own mainstream models are in a whole host of categories. And chief among them would be big questions about what human life is even about and what can we know about this mysterious home we have?

04:06 Well, there are some rich cosmologies scattered across the landscape with complexity and elegance that really boggles the mind yet the best Western materialist atheistic culture has come up with on those big questions is that human life is about nothing important and we bumble around on a rock that's largely insignificant. Yet when you compare and contrast the small number of surviving cosmologies in old world knowledge, you find a very similar shape that is hard to deny. That usually contains scientific and spiritual qualities as well as stories of teachers from the sky, saviors from the underground in a model of processional ages that feels a lot closer to representing some very foundational cyclical cosmic pattern

04:46 And would you believe it, today's guest Bibu Devmisra is not only very well versed in these cosmological comparisons but also tackled the mysteries and inconsistencies in the Hindu Yuga cycle model and made adjustments to our conventional placement in it that are more consistent with other sources of knowledge that altogether show that we might be less than a year away from cosmic rock bottom. If you don't know him, Bibu is an engineer and information technology consultant by trade who has been actively researching and writing on ancient civilizations in ancient mysteries for more than a decade. And he lays it all out in the culmination of his work the intriguing new book Yuga Shift The End of Kali-Yuga and the Impending Planetary Transformation

05:29 as well as many articles on his website, bibudevmistra.com It's work that goes to a lot of great places that I think you're going to dig so let's get into it the great cosmology comparer yugacycle scholar and advocate for the ant people. Bibu welcome to The Higher Side! Thanks Greg, That was a great intro. I try man thanks for doing this i'm sorry i was late i always enjoy hearing about the deep cosmology is of indigenous cultures as well as ancient knowledge that has survived. I think a lot of listeners should be vaguely familiar with the cycle it does get referenced a lot but for the unfamiliar, just add our days gradually transition between extremes of high noon and midnight in a single year gradually transitions between the extremes of summer and winter

06:16 Our planet, and by extension human consciousness also transitions through a 24000 year cycle where for 12,000 years we move upwards towards the peak of civilization in a golden age of the Satya Yuga at one extreme and then through 12,000 years we move back down towards the cosmic rock bottom of the Kali Yuga with smaller segments and break periods in between. But is that a fair summary? What else might you add to get us started here? Well when I first came up with the yuga cycle model nearly twelve years back that was way back in 2012 And I used the model

06:56 24,000 year cycle with a 12,000 year ascending cycle and at 12,000 descending cycle which you just mentioned. But one of the questions that I had was we know that the precession cycle of the earth is 25800 years long and one of the questions was why is this different? Ideally, they should be same because if you look at some of the values proposed by let's say Cicero who was a Greek historian. He said that the duration of the half cycle is 12,954 years which is very close to the duration of the half cycle of the precessional year so if we multiply 12,950 by 2 end up with 25,800 something

07:42 So my question is why is this difference between the 24,000 year cycle and the 25,800 year precession cycle? And I managed to close that gap in the book where I figured that As per the ancient Greeks, there are two extended periods of transition at the opposite ends of this cycle. So after we complete the 12000-year ascending cycle and reach the Golden Age, after that they say there is a period of devastation or transformation which they call cataclysmos which is a Greek word which means deluge and also referred to it as the great winter of the Great Year

08:22 And similarly, on the other hand after we complete the 12000 year descending cycle they say that there is a long period of transition which they call ekpiresis which means fire or conflagration. This is the time when the world is destroyed by fiery ordeal and they also refer to it as the great summer of the Great Year Now, we know that after the end of the Golden Age We did go through this very cold period, which is referred to as the Janga-Dryas Cold Period. And it extended for around 1200 years.

08:59 If that is the great winter that the Greeks were talking about, in that case after the end of the Kali Yuga which is the rock-bottom period we are in right now. We should also have a 1200 year period of transition and once you factor these two extended periods of transition then you end up with a yuga cycle which is exactly 25800 years which is equal to the precession cycle of Earth So, in that case there's no difference between these two cycles. And it also makes sense because now we can account for the Younger Dryas Cataclysm because that period of extreme cold and cometary impacts couldn't have occurred while the Golden Age was still in progress so that 1200-year period must have started after the Golden Age had ended because conditions of life in the Golden Age were supposed to have been utopian

09:52 the weather was nice, the soil was fertile. But everything got reversed during that 1200 year period of younger dryas which means that the yoga cycle and the precession cycle are one and the same And after the end of the Kali Yuga we'll basically go through a extended period of nearly 1200 years when the planet is going to be renewed and our consciousness is also going to be renewed before we begin the ascending cycle of consciousness that will ultimately lead back to the next golden age. Yes, that is an excellent summary of how you have adapted the traditional model and we will get into that even the term traditional model it seems like along the way it's been altered itself and you went back to the original material and consulted that and held that to a higher

10:46 degree of importance and mix that with the course are new knowledge of the younger dryers and the earthly wobble. And it's just really impressive how well it all syncs up and we're kinda talk about like a lot of different cultures that had the same shape of a model be general shape of a very long arc up in a very long arc down sometimes its ten thousand years sometimes at twelve And you can understand how man would mess this up or maybe get a few details wrong, or play a game of telephone where things change. But talk to us about just how widespread the general structure of this sort of model for human consciousness and life on Earth is because it's impressive in its own right? Yeah I mean this was actually prevalent all over the world every ancient culture believed in these cycles they always felt that

11:44 there was a spelt golden age and they have degraded into the current iron age or the Kali Yuga. For instance, the Greeks refer to it as The Great Year and the four ages for them were The Golden Age, The Silver Age, The Bronze and Iron Age which exactly corresponds to the Hindu framework in which we have Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dwapara Yuga and the Kali Yuga Similarly, the Hopi also speak of four worlds They speak of the First World I don't remember the names exactly, the first world, the second world and third world. And right now we are in the fourth world and they believe that

12:22 end of the fourth world is not very far away. They have a lot of prophecies around the end of the fourth world and we'll probably talk about that later, but according to them all of these prophecies have now been fulfilled and right now it's the last prophecy which is remaining which basically talks about the return of the blue star Kachina and the red star Kachina which is going to bring about the final purification of the world. And then the Persians had a very similar structure the Hindus, they speak of this 12 000 year cycle and they talk of four ages each consisting of 3 000 years. So 3000 into 4 is 12 000 years and according to their reckoning this current cycle of 12 000 years started at

13:08 nearly 9,000 years prior to the time of Zoroaster. Now Zoroaster as we know is a Persian prophet and he lived between the 6th to 7th centuries BC according to most historical estimates which means nine thousand years before that takes us back to 9600-9700 BC which is exact time that The Last Ice Age had come to an end And this is also the date that we get from Plato's account of Atlantis, because Plato said that when Solon had gone to Greece the Egyptian priest told him that Atlantis had sunk into the ocean nearly 9000 years prior to the time of Solon which is basically around 9600 BC. That is the time both the Greeks and the Persians identified as the beginning of the current descending cycle that we're in

14:01 And then you have the Aztecs who talk about the four suns and the Maya also had a very similar belief about four ages. So this is widespread, all of the big civilizations in the ancient world they believed in this cycle ages of four yugas. And even when they were building these grand monuments and they were composing works of literature and astronomy, they never harbored the misconception that they were in a higher age or higher yuga. They always knew that we are in the Iron Age or the Kali Yuga. When they spoke about the state of their society said that it is because our consciousness has declined, you see all of this misery and selfishness and violence around us. They justified it on that premise but this got overturned during the colonial period because when the colonialists were expanding their kingdoms and monarchies what they said was

14:56 we must be standing at the pinnacle of civilization because we are subjugating the native tribes everywhere. So, a whole of human civilization and culture must be leading up to this point where we are standing right now." And then Darwin was one of the main proponents of that idea. He knew that the ancients believed in these ascending and descending cycles but he said that to think that man is degenerating is not a cheerful idea So he wanted a cheerful idea to make them feel happy about what they were doing. So, he turned it around and said that it's been progressing linearly all over time and that they're at the pinnacle of civilization. And this has now become the dominant idea everywhere in scientific and academic circles. Mm-hmm! Another great summary we have The Hopi, The Aztecs, The Mayans, The Egyptians, The Greeks, The Dogons to an extent

15:51 The vadas i mean this is a lot of ancient cultures that seem like maybe fractals of, once great civilization or maybe we had some cosmic visitors that talk a lot of different people the stuff and they try to hold on do it we will get into that. But talk about the vadas and how old they are and This cycle of the seven sages ancient calendar that you kinda had to go back to work on your model and talk about, do you get cycle in india today cuz there is a vastly different popular model.

16:29 That maybe doesn't seem to be as accurate, but nonetheless it is the mainstream model. So often mainstream models are not exactly right but talk to us about this cycle of the seven sages that you used as a reference and just a little bit more about the Vedas and how old they are because the older something is, the more impressive it is for it to be so deep and seemingly accurate in 2024? Yeah I mean The Indian tradition has always been an oral tradition. In fact, most ancient cultures used the oral tradition and the practice of writing down the sacred documents started only in the last 2000 odd years. And one of the reasons for that is that in earlier ages our memories were

17:17 much bigger. I mean, we could retain a lot of information and it's the fact that this is something that a lot of people don't know—that our cranial volume has shrunk over the last 12 000 years. This is a well-established scientific fact but they never talk about it because it goes completely against the theory of evolution gradual evolution which Darwin had proposed Because according to that framework, we basically from Homo erectus to Homo sapiens, we gained around 10% cranial volume. And they say that this is the reason that we could invent so many different kinds of things and we became what we are today. But what has been found out is that in the last 12000 years, we have lost the same amount of cranial volume that we supposedly had acquired in the last 2 million years of evolution

18:10 So how do you explain that? And they don't have an answer for that. So they always keep it under wraps, is a very tightly held secret. It's only in one or two places we'll get to know about it." So the reason why we started documenting the oral information is because people could no longer retain all of that information in their mind and because of the fact that every time there is a yoga transition, every time you move from one age to the next there's always a lot of cataclysmic activity which kind destroys the existing civilizations of that time. And when you begin the new civilization, you are essentially starting from scratch with a new set of ideas and beliefs and technological skills which is why if you look at our past right now we have the Iron Age civilizations all of which started around 700 BCE

19:04 Greece, India, Persia. Everywhere you have this new wave of civilizations starting in 700-600 BC and all the bronze cultures they all disappeared at around 1100 to 1000 BC. All of them disappeared whether it's Egypt or whether it's Indus Valley or Mesopotamia. All of the civilizations collapsed in a heap and that particular period is generally referred to as The Late Bronze Age Collapse and they don't have really any good solid explanation for that, although I have a separate explanation in my book for it. So similarly when the Egyptian civilizations had started or the Mesopotamian civilization started at around 3400-500 BC prior to that there was a period of cataclysmic activity and all the pre-Bronze Age cultures—so called Neolithic cultures—they all disappeared we didn't have any trace of

19:57 after 3500 BC. So we go through this period of cleansing or purification and during this period of time a lot of knowledge and skills, information is lost and becomes extremely difficult to get back that information which is why the ancient traditions are so important because a lot of this information has transmitted orally down to us and In India what happened is that We did not go through at least in the last 2000-2500 years, we have managed to retain some of this ancient information. Although it got distorted to some extent but we managed to retain more of the ancient information than many other cultures where there was a great destruction of information for instance in the library in Alexandria that used to be a storehouse of information about the past and once that was destroyed

20:50 people forgot about it because they could no longer retain that information in their mind. They had forgotten how to memorize stuff and once you lose the books, you basically forget what happened in the past In India also similar things happened. We had a big library at a place called Nalanda that was a Buddhist library, it had millions of books and it was destroyed during the Islamic invasion of India and a huge amount of information was lost there so we don't actually have as much information that we had maybe around 1000-1500 years before But still, there's a lot of information available and it is possible to reconstruct the Yuga cycle based on the available sources of information. Thankfully! Otherwise I wouldn't be writing articles or books about it

21:39 Yes indeed and the idea of a devolution is super fascinating maybe it's not the rosy idea people wanna believe me it's a little uncomfortable but to say that we have this ancient model we have these models really from a bunch of different cultures they all kinda speak to this process at the cycle we just happen to be. Near the cosmic rock bottom, And the fact that it matches with things they find in the archaeological record, that the cranial space is smaller and then even our frames are smaller. That's pretty wild! On an average we are 10% smaller in size than people who lived just prior to the end of the Ice Age. Than people who lived during the Younger Droughts period or the period prior to that

22:31 So we have shrunk in size on an average by 10% and that is actually a very, I would say conservative estimate because there's a very strong inclination within the scientific and academic circles to toss out any large skeleton which they think doesn't really fit into the whole thing. They don't want people to start thinking about giants and stuff So any big skeleton... Oh we know that! Yeah, we know that. Any big skeleton gets tossed out of the reckoning so even a conservative estimate is that we have lost 10% of our physical structure and become less athletic

23:09 And there was this interesting article in the Daily Mail, a UK newspaper called Daily Mail. They're the professor of some Oxford or Cambridge University says that even an average farmer who lived 5300 years ago would easily beat a highly trained modern athlete. So you can imagine an average guy living 5000 years ago is going to outrun some of our fastest runners on the track field Yeah well we were much more active and our lifestyle supported that kind of thing so let me ask you this, we have been in the cali yuga for almost twenty seven hundred years so it's really all we know it's all our grandparents now are great grandparents no. What is a the lowest point is coming up march twenty twenty five which i guess some what explains our current chaotic climate right what would you say about

24:05 How this low point the cosmic rock bottom is often described and how it mirrors our current place in the timeline. Well i mean they have some very astonishing descriptions of the color you are which perfectly matches up with the kind of society that we live in and There are a lot of texts which talk about everything that's going on today, how the rulers are going to be corrupt. How the priesthood is going to be corrupt? How they'll be self-serving? How honest people would find it very difficult to live and they would probably leave the cities and live in the forests and mountains

24:44 However, morals would decline not only men but also women. Morals of a woman would also decline and there's going to be lack of honesty or lack of respect for elders and for respectable people. Wealth is the only thing which is going to be appreciated and wisdom is going to be like treason They talk about all of this stuff, but it's not just the Indians. Even if you read Hesiod's account of the world ages, the kind of picture he paints for the Iron Age is very similar to the kind of society we live in today and the problem is that see there are two back-to-back iron ages or two back-to-back Kali Yugas

25:27 2,700 years descending and then 2,700 years ascending. Now what happens in the ascending part of the Kali Yuga which is where we are right now is that our material conditions of life improve somewhat compared to let's say 2000 years ago but the decline in our cranial capacity and therefore the decline in our consciousness continues throughout the Kali Yuga So right now we are at a state where our consciousness has touched rock bottom in the sense that we not only don't remember anything about the past, but our values have also collapsed.

26:04 all of these powers that we had in the high regions like intuition or clairvoyance and things like that, those have disappeared. So from the point of view of consciousness, we are at rock bottom but from a material perspective, we have improved somewhat and that is reflected in the kind of technology that we have today and the kind of lifestyle that you have today, at least in cities so can be kind of confusing because if you are linking a yuga cycle with materialism, then it'll feel like we're in an ascending cycle. Because we are better off than people living 1,000 years ago in terms of materialism but not in terms of consciousness or in terms of human values, in terms of our spiritual growth all that has declined

26:53 For instance, if you look back let's say even 2000 years ago in India you had great masters like Buddha and Mahavirya preaching. In the West you had Christ That's the China, you had people like Confucius. They were all coming up with a lot of wisdom and new way of living in the way of thinking and people were a lot more pious in those days they knew that they had to live very good honest moral lives unlike today where people really don't think too much about ethical way of life Yeah this is all really interesting we know that there are cosmic influences on our consciousness from solar flares to. Astrological influences so why wouldn't there be something else is big cycle and of course it is somewhat of a mixed bag its not all doom and gloom as we've mentioned this thousands of years so i think my life's been pretty good up to this point has objective as i can be and it's like,

27:54 Yeah you can still have a good time in the harshest part of the winter you can still have a good day and the harshest heat of summer at high noon but it's a little harder to do than in the spring and fall when the climate is pleasant so its more like just a condition that makes it a little more difficult too. Have the good times we wanna have it's not absolutely two thousand devastating years of pain and misery because obviously were all living right now but i was gonna ask you a little more about this whole thing about the devolution, in the fact that we have all these older cultures that never developed writing they had these oral traditions then. You mentioned our memories were better and i've had other guests who say wasn't really just that are memories where better but that we were plugged into the akashic record

28:47 Our consciousness wasn't so separate between conscious and unconscious we actually had a more holistic mind that was connected to the. Information field then maybe we were even telepathic that we didn't really need, develop written words because we just kind of communicated person to person when we have interactions with other types of beans in Other dimensions are however you wanna categorize that it seems to be the way they communicate and we have no problem understanding them, what do you think about that there was maybe a little more than memory that at the peak of the golden age maybe it was telepathic and maybe we were plugged into some greater cosmic knowledge without needing to write all down.

29:33 Sure. Yeah, that's what all of these traditions talk about that in the higher Ugos your mental capabilities like intuition like telepathy or clairvoyance all of that is a lot more developed and you can basically communicate with somebody without talking and this is something that we also read about in so many UFO contact reports where people seem to get information from a humanoid being without actually talking to them And you also hear about that in so many apparitions that people see. I mean, the Marian apparitions for instance is not much talking going around there a lot of information gets transmitted telepathically. And even I think animals to some extent, they might still be having some vestiges of this ability with them because dogs do seem to have some kind of a telepathic ability to pick up thoughts and feelings which humans have lost to a large extent and that is what causes this disconnect once you lose this telepathic ability that kind of disconnects you from everyone else from the rest

30:36 environment, from nature, from other animals and obviously from other human beings. Yeah it's very hard to dehumanize other humans and start wars when you are telepathically connected speaking the same language. You really can't create the other, and you can't demonize the barbarians or the indigenous or all these things they do to be like hey they're not like us so burning them at the stake and skinning them alive in scalping him is not that big of a deal exactly yeah And the advantage of telepathy is that right now we have so many different languages, which is what you just brought up. So if you're not speaking the same language, you can't communicate anymore but with telepathy, you really don't need any languages it's just the mind talking to other person and he can also pick up on feelings which you can do with language. So if you can pick upon a person's feelings telepathically then you would obviously conduct yourself in a much different way than you would without that ability

31:39 We also interacted, you know all the ancient stories that talk about the gods and the sages living on earth with humans in the higher ages. And as we devolved these gods and sages started to reduce their interactions with us, and ultimately at the beginning of the Iron Age or Kali Yuga they all left. And I think that's probably because these humanoid beings also have a need for some kind of period of rest even though they are enormously superior to us in terms of consciousness but still they would need this occasional period of rest which is why they probably go away in the Kaliyuga The reason why there has been an upsurge in this UFO sightings over the last 50 odd years could be because we are now entering to a period when that contact may be re-established. So, that's something to look forward too I mean once you realize that we're not the only humanoid beings on this planet or in the solar system all the rest of the universe then your perspective really changes a lot then you don't think in such arrogant terms of yourself anymore

32:45 Yes indeed and i'm glad you brought that up so we have these changes in the cosmic seasons with cataclysms in the transitions, what i think is most fascinating about like the hope model which we want into the many models that are similar is this idea that people are beans from the earth come up and select some of us to take shelter inside the earth it's not unlike the angels saving some people before the rapture I think it's kind of interesting. Is this another theme that can be considered somewhat universal? Humans being sheltered by some other type of being usually inside the earth? It comes up everywhere, I mean the Hopi obviously have this story about the ant people and what they do is that every time a particular world has been destroyed at the end of an age

33:36 They take some righteous people and keep them in their underground homes, which are all very nicely lighted up. And there's a lot of food and a lot of space to go around. Once the world has been renewed these people come out and they look at the world and think everything has changed. So this is a repeating theme in the Hopi stories. If you look at the flood legends, which talk about the great flood everywhere you find that a single person has been entrusted to save all the flora and fauna and that person is kind of rescued now that single person might be a single person in specific region I don't think it applies to the whole world It probably means that in every small locality or every small region there was one or two people who were saved from that flood who then went on

34:24 create the next set of human beings. And in Christianity, you obviously have the angels coming in at the time of rapture and taking the righteous people and saving them. The angels seem to be very similar to what we used to call the fairy folk because even the depictions of the angels is similar to the fairies with their wings and their halo around their head. These ant-people that we find in the Hopi legends They're the race of dwarfs that we find in so many other cultures like the Germanic or Scandinavian cultures. Even in India, we call them yakshas

34:59 They are supposed to be the protectors of the wealth underground. They have a lot of supernatural abilities, they can shapeshift, they can become invisible and they also have the Vimanas in India we have this ancient UFOs called Vimanas and when you read the ancient Indian text we find that the Vimana's were actually built and operated by these dwarfs They were the original owners and sometimes they gave it to maybe a particular king they were happy with, and then he used that rimana. Even the UFO phenomena seems to be tied up with these underground people

35:37 The Maya also had this legend about the dwarfs. In fact, even now there are a lot of Maya carvings which show the Maya kings sitting in the company for dwarf because the dwarf had this ability of foretelling the future they were clairvoyant and a lot of these Maya texts like the Chilambalam which talk about events that are going to happen in the future they were supposedly composed by the dwarves who have this ability and the Maya term for the dwarves was the same used to call them ant men So the Hopi and the Maya use the same term for this particular race of people. And it seems very strange to us today because we obviously have put all that stuff into myths and legends, but I really doubt that. We do have this race of people who live underground who are now trying to make their presence known through these UFO phenomena

36:29 Yeah man i'm really into this kind of stuff a lot of people talk about the them on a flying machines that's referenced in probably every episode of ancient aliens but. They're not the only ones who had those stories of flying machines well before anyone have the technological ability to do so and just like that everyone talks about the hope you legend of the people as if they had this really robust interesting cosmology in a day. But that's just their version of a more universal story as you say i had copy down at the, my referred to there dwarfs is and then i think this comes from the work of a guy named eric thompson

37:10 Who said that zay means aunt to them and they used to call these people the day. You mean red ant men and then there's other people who have said that annunaki also translates to a new meaning and inaki meaning friends, yes you lumpin norris legends and germanic folklore and of course celtic folklore It's kind of a universal thing that there are these small mystical. Highly intelligent humanoid beans

37:47 and they take us to their realm, which is often underground. And weird stuff happens sometimes there's like really crazy time dilation involved and I know you know a lot of these sorts of stories do you have any favorite stories of lore or individual accounts of people who've had interactions with these beings that maybe represent the general template of how these encounters tend to go? The stories that i have are basically from ancient times Right now, there are no modern stories that I know of unless you're talking about the UFO phenomena. And even the UFO phenomena you might have some kind of a time dilation because lot of times these people they get abducted and they end up at the same place or different place and you might have already three or four days has passed and they don't remember anything about it so

38:41 Yeah, you have this story in Celtic legends where this person is taken to the fairy underground and he stays there for what he thinks is a few days. But when it comes back, it's already 300 or 400 years then he sees that everything has changed and we have similar stories in India but In India the story is about person going to the realm of the gods not really the ant people And when he comes back already our cycle of ages has ended And he comes back and he sees that the race of men, they have become smaller. The intellect has shrunk. Everything is smaller and less fertile. They're surprised at the state of the world when they come back."

39:21 So this time dilation not only happens in the other world or the underworld, it also happens when you go to some other solar system or some other celestial location. This seems to happen and which is of course something that is also scientifically very logical And to quote an article of yours you say the parallels between the hope be kiva and the fairy mountains of ireland which are also believed to contain a hole in the ground that transports one to this up training other worldly realm of the various dwarves another spirit beans. Are obviously striking,

39:59 What are some of these parallels? We talk a lot about the Fairy Mountains of Ireland, but not so much about the Hopi Kiva. Where do we see the similarities? Well, the structure is very similar. The Hopi Kiva is kind of semi-subterranean in structure and then you have a rounded top or flat top And then when you enter into Hopi Kiva, you have this fireplace or the hearth where all of these ceremonies are. Next to the hearth there is a small hole in the ground which they call Sipapu and the Sipapu is the place of emergence This symbolizes the place from where Dohopi had emerged at the beginning of this world. Now, where did they go at the beginning of this world? They went to the underground home of the Ant People which means this sipapu represents the passage that leads to this underground realm of the Ant People Similarly in Ireland you have this talk about the fairy land which is called I think Anwain and this is reached through certain passages

41:01 hidden inside an artificial mound. And if you look at some of these mounds, it looks similar to the Hopi Kiva and there's a story or there is a belief in Ireland that some of the stones are movable. Some of the stones that cover the floor, they're not static, they're movable and if you know the correct thing to say or the correct place to tap then that stone basically moves away and it exposes a passage that leads you to the underground home of the fairy folk So the idea is similar A hole in the ground that leads to the underground home of the fairy folk

41:41 And that is reached through a mound. So you basically first enter into the mound and then you enter into the passage that leads to that particular underground realm. I love it, and in the book you also have a section called The Mystery of The Seven Sages so if fairy ant people miniature Humans wasn't enough we also have the mess of it am in culture with all these depictions of hybrid fish man and birdman holding that bucket and pine cone, add you say in the uniform text the term app kyle.

42:22 Meaning sage or wise was used to refer to the hybrid fish man who had come to babylon in the antediluvian times they serve as the counselors of the ten kings who ruled before the deluge. The app callou were collectively known as the seven stages they had emerged from the indian ocean and transmitted all the laws of civilization two people well i think we're familiar with the imagery and this general description, but how do we make sense of these beings if they were real? They're clearly different from the ant people. Right? I mean the descriptions are totally different. Yeah. The ants people live in underground caverns in caves and caverns and large underground cities

43:08 Whereas the Apkaalu, they are supposed to come from the Apsu. The term that the Sumerians used is Apsu which basically means underground aquifers so they don't live in caves and caverns but in aquifers which is why they have this hybrid fish-human structure so that they can live both in water as well on ground and as per the Sumerians, the kingdom of Enki who was the lord of the earth and who is the god of civilization and magic and fertility. Who corresponds to the Egyptian Osiris so Enki he's a lot of the underworld and he's the one who sends his sages these Apkalu to other people in Babylon tells them to go

43:58 cities of Babylon and to instruct the kings in all the codes of kingship, and pass on all the skills of civilization to the people. So the sages are of a much higher stature than the dwarves even though Dwarves or the fairy folk, let's call them fairy folk because when you use the term fairy folk you're basically not only talking about dwarfs. You are talking about elves and fairies and all of the entire ensemble of magical creatures. So the sages were for higher stature they were far more wise, more powerful That is why the sages don't appear all the time. They basically appear at the beginning of our civilization, they pass on their skills and knowledge then they go back and also marry humans – human women – and give birth to a lineage of sages who carry on that tradition

44:54 So that's what we have in India. We have this concept of the seven sages who we call Saptarshis, and they originally came from the seven stars of the Arsa major constellation or The Great Bear. They came from the stars and then they fashioned a home for themselves underground and then they come up from this underground realm periodically at the beginning of a particular yuga, pass on the skills of civilization. And in India we believe that all the Vedic wisdom that we have, the entire corpus of Vedic knowledge whether it's astronomy or mathematics or music you name it everything came from The Seven Sages They are the sources of all the information that we have nothing else came from anybody else

45:43 And this was the same idea that the Babylonians have, because Berossus who was a scholar who lived during the time of Alexander. He says that according to the Babylonian's all the knowledge they had was from these Apkallu and nothing else has been invented since the time the Apkallu passed on his wisdom nothing new was invented they were just carrying on with the same knowledge and the same traditions so that is the kind of effect they had on the ancient civilizations. And they were highly respected, far more respected than the fairy folk who are also respected but the sages were like almost godlike. So when you mentioned ferocious I had this paragraph written down apparently

46:32 As per Berossus, hybrid beings of supernatural wisdom and abilities live right under our feet in the subterranean freshwater aquifers. Is that even possible? Could there be a veritable alien world hidden inside the Earth's crust? The truth is that even if there were a million Taj Mahals built in the underground aquifers we wouldn't have the faintest idea about it since our knowledge about the ecology of the aquifers is practically nil These vast reserves of freshwater extend up to 30,000 feet below the surface. Nearly 30% of the total fresh water on our planet is contained in the aquifers, the rest being locked up in glaciers. The aquifers are divided into many vertical levels by layers of porous rock remnants of the watery underworld of nine levels mentioned and the Maya belief system

47:21 So i do love this i don't hear people bringing up the aqua first very often but if we're talking about cycles were talking about cataclysms that then people, do you often references the fact that. There seems to be cities buried under huge amounts of dirt and then we build new cities on top of those cities and then we dig down like hey there's other stuff down here. And you have some images in the book of the aquifers kind of stacked in a similar way like you'll have a layer of water, a layer of rock, a layer of water or a layer of rock now when I've talked to previous guests about beings inside the earth and where they might be usually the moho layer comes up which is uh...layer

48:01 Between the crust in the mantle that supposed to be porous and kinda sponge like with huge cavities and that would be. Roughly an average of twenty two miles down which sounds pretty good twenty two miles down we probably don't get there very often then they probably come up quite rarely but man i just never hear people talk about the aquifers but of course if there are fish like beans than they have to be in some kind of water and there's underground water, plenty of underground water for people who think that beings especially superior beings couldn't live beneath the surface. Exactly and if you look at some of the Mesopotamian tablets sometimes they show these sages is Apkalu in a company of mermaids. The mermaid looked pretty similar to the Apkalu. The difference being that

48:50 The Apkalu, they have the head of a fish on top of their human head. Whereas the mermaid is actually a human with a tail of a fish So basically they're shown together and when they depict it They show some kind of watery underground with an island with trees and stuff so it's almost as if you go into the aquifer You might find places where we have land And islands Maybe in artificial atmosphere And who knows what's out there. We haven't really gone deep into the aquifers which extend up to 30,000 feet so you might have an entirely parallel dimension out there and it could be that particular dimension that the Sumerians and the Indians and Egyptians were talking about when they said that God of the underworld who is Osiris or Enki or Yama he is the one in control of fertility

49:47 the ocean cycles and the climate cycles. He's the one who controls all of that, and he is the one who sends these highly intelligent beings to the surface to teach us the laws of civilization." When we didn't know about the aquifers when you didn't know that they were divided into different levels maybe it was fine to say that it's all legends and myths but now we know there's actually a world down there And what scientists have found in recent times When you go to other planets of the solar system, like Mars or we go to Europa which is one of the moons of Jupiter. They found that there are large underground water systems in all those places. Mars has a huge underground reservoir of water and according to one of the scientists who studied this he said that in Europa you could have a million fish-like beings live in one of those underground oceans so

50:45 It seems to me almost as if that living underground or living in the aquifers could be one of the most common ways of living in the wider universe. Maybe, living on the surface like we do today is more of an exception. Maybe living inside the earth is more like a thing to do? So, you never know because we have not found life on the surface. At least we haven't spotted any life on the surface of other planets in our solar system but there's a big possibility of life living in underground aquifers or maybe even underground cave systems I love it and i'm glad you mentioned mermaids because you have an article on your website about mermaids being real with several reports from the last few years which. Are really surprising to me but in two thousand nine news reports claimed that a mermaid had been cited off the coast of israel and the town of kiryat yam,

51:44 The report in live science stated that locals and tourists in the israeli town have been flocking to the coast and hopes of glimpsing. A creature that most people believe only exists in fairy tales and alleged mermaid said to resemble a cross between efficient young girl only appears at sunset it performs a few tricks for on lockers before disappearing for the night, One of the first people to see the mermaid, Shlomo Cohen said I was with friends when suddenly we saw a woman laying on the sand in a weird way. At first I thought she was just another sunbather but when we approached she jumped into the water and disappeared We were all in shock because we saw that she had a tail The sightings apparently began several months ago The town's tourism board is of course delighted with their newfound fame and local mystery

52:32 Taking a cue from the town of inverness scotland the shores of lock ness. The curio yam government has offered a million dollar reward for the first person to photograph the creature i mean two thousand nine and apparently is happening with some regularity, i'm just really shocked by that but it seems like if these beans are down there you have to get glimpses of them every once in awhile but they're really only supposed to come up and interact with us during these periods of reestablishing society after a cataclysm. But hey, I mean we all get bored and want to see what's going on once in awhile? Sure! They generally don't seem to want to interact right now but if you go back let's even couple thousand years ago

53:23 There's this place in India where we can see a mermaid in the lake and there is a throng of people crowding around on the shore. There's a king also out there, they're all looking at her so it seems as if they could see the mermaids and maybe even interact with them maybe even a couple thousand years ago Even in Assyrian sculptures and carvings They basically are showing the ships applying on the sea, carrying all the goods. And just below the ship you can see this merman is swimming below the ship and they had no problem depicting that so it's almost as if it was more common in earlier times to see and interact with these particular beings but just like the fairy folk

54:10 stop their interactions with us maybe a thousand, two thousand years ago. These beings also stopped their interactions. Yeah and you also say that on top of this Israeli situation that zimbabwe is the mermaid capital of the modern world that there are a lot of rivers specifically in areas near dams at they say our teaming with mermaids who love to play tricks on humans and. It actually gets really interesting cuz the government gets involved in twenty twelve these in bob way water resources minister sam so papa,

54:48 no mo told the senate committee that mermaids were hounding government workers off a couple of damn sites in various regions. And in twenty seventeen mermaids were held responsible for the death of two school boys due to drowning and zimbabwe the story goes that there are some kids at the. Can you a secondary school hurting cattle may saw mermaid at the dam and i guess the three boys and two of them thought it was a big fish or something so they tried to catch it. Added drag them under and the third boy didn't go in the water was the one to tell the tale he went back and told everybody hey we gotta, go back over here because these two kids got taken underwater and when they arrived when the parents and other adults came into the shore they saw the boys laying on a rock alive and

55:44 The parents were really worried that maybe they want to last day started crying and then the story goes a whirlwind suddenly engulfed the place before the mermaid swiftly appeared from the water and grab the boys for second time. But this time there lifeless bodies resurface later so, They dragged him under again, they waited for the crowd and then they took the boys and they said no we're gonna kill you. And they threw them back up on the shore really wild story I mean Zimbabwe also has a lot of UFO stories from my understanding i think there was another orphanage out there that had a landing and it got really crazy but

56:21 The world's a big place and a lot of people, especially Westerners kind of live within a bubble. And we don't even hear about these things going on out there or the fact that a lot of other cultures do still hold a place in their minds for these other beings. Yeah sure I mean when it comes to mermaids Zimbabwe is a crazy place! I can't think of any other places where you have such stories about mermaids anymore Which is kind of strange. You would think that if they're seeing mermaids so often, why don't we see it in some other places? Which I don't have an explanation for. Yeah! So many mysteries...I like it. Is there any advice on preparing? It seems like we can't really control much except maybe make ourselves selectable to the underground beings

57:12 Yeah, I mean that's the only thing you can do. If you have to go into a golden age, you can't go there with Kali Yuga state of consciousness your consciousness has to be ready for the golden age. Otherwise, you will be the party pooper. It's not going to be a golden age anymore for other guys there. You don't want to spoil it for others. So you have to raise your consciousness to the level where you become eligible to be saved by these angels or the dwarfs or whoever and make it across to the other side beyond 2040. And as to how we raise our consciousness I think

57:48 Everybody will have the same set of advice. You basically tune out of the negative energies of the Kali Yuga, which is greed and selfishness and hatred And you try to tune into the energies of the Golden Age or The Age Which Is On The Way, which is of love and oneness and brotherhood and truth and justice and fairness and all of that So we tried to develop better qualities of the human soul and let go of the negativities of the human ego. That's what it is all about. I like it! And when you do that, you make yourself eligible for higher yoga. Here's a thing... It's better that he don't spend $300k on an underground bunker because

58:31 If your consciousness is not ready for it, I don't think anybody's going to make it no matter how rich he or what a big shot he is. If you're not ready for the golden age, you're not going to make it because there are superior powers in control of this cycle and they'll see where you're hiding and they're gonna smoke you out. Yeah so just work on your consciousness. It's so much easier anyway And i've heard you talk about why would reality be structured this way and as i said in the intro a single day is structured like this the seasons are structured like this it's just another form of the cycle, add we need to good times to appreciate the bad and vice versa. So before we go i did wanna ask you that because i left out your bio in the beginning that want people to judge i can have a very

59:23 sensitive audience but you have worked as an information technology consultant for. Global organizations including the world bank and united nations now so many people in my audience think those are bad guys should never do anything to help the world bank or the united nations But also when people are in proximity to groups like that i sometimes just have to wonder what it's like. Do you have any insights from even small interactions with these people? What do you think, how do you square that with... Like what are the ant-people gonna think about you helping the world bank and united nations they're not gonna like that but just talk to us about that chapter of your bio and maybe any insight you can share from those who are so far removed from organizations like that

1:00:11 Well, I was working as a consultant. I was giving them technology solutions and when you work for a client you basically give them solutions and they pay your money in exchange for it that's all it's about And As far the organization is concerned I was working with the middle management and the really bad stuff goes on in the top management. So, when I was working, I really didn't have any insights into all of these organizations. I didn't even know what kind of activities they were involved in until much later during that time that I was involved with this organization side. I was just working in a regular job doing my thing. Fair enough! They didn't make you drink any blood before taking the job?

1:00:54 Yeah, I mean maybe there was some kind of divine guidance because i did not apply for a job with them. I was actually working as an external consultant and never thought about applying for a job because if I did maybe I would be in an orgy drinking blood right now Well i agree with you these are huge organizations and they have a lot of contracts out there and it has nothing to do with what goes on at the top clearly your very good as an information technology consultant or they wouldn't have. Found any value in your services so, you apply that mind to bigger and better things with the shift and we're all better for it so before

1:01:33 Before I let you go, is there anything more to say to people about the book getting it or any other work you're working on? Or the website all that kind of stuff we like to leave people with if they want a follow up. Yeah The book is called You will shift your going to get it on Amazon and my website is www dot B I B H U D E V M SRA. You'll find a lot of articles on ancient mysteries and stuff like that out there And as far the parting thoughts, I would think that we shouldn't be scared about what's coming because this is the kind of a transition that happens very rarely. And you're going to see a lot of new energies coming into this planet and a lot of new cosmic events happening which you haven't witnessed before. A lot of... The veil between the dimensions might come apart. You might actually see more of these interdimensional beings

1:02:26 Fingers crossed. Yeah, so it's a time to be actually excited about rather than be scared or frightened about and Personally, I don't even think about whether i'll make it across or not. I'm more interested in being part of this experience and using that to make myself into a better person to learn more about our reality and either way even if we make it across is great If you don't be incarnate in a higher yoga And that's great as well because none of us ever die We just shed out this human body we go off to our home in the stars and we come back again later on

1:03:05 Whether we make it or not, it's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Heck yeah! Cheers to that. Well, I appreciate your time and research take care and good luck on our path to the cosmic rock bottom Thank you. Thanks Rick for having me Say it ain't so people cosmic rock bottom if it wasn't already obvious Man, it was really great. I love his emphasis on the crypto terrestrial angle and this idea of beans taking us Below to weather the storm when it all goes down. I like his emphasis on underground aquifers and water flow His book is really great and goes deep into those aspects super enjoyable

1:03:52 I personally don't get too hung up on the years or the segmentation of the cycle, because these arcs are so huge that even being off by 1% is the length of a human lifespan. But i said at the end of The Analog Show that this would be a good compliment and I'm sure a lot of you would agree now! It's great that Bibu looked at other indigenous models and drew out the similarities. If you look at your show notes, you should see two images from the book that help you visualize the cycles and the adaptation by Bibu I do think it makes a lot of sense when we have cycles of day and night, cycles of seasons And why not scale that up to larger cosmic energy cycles That play on human consciousness as well

1:04:39 All kinds of weather and sunspots and solar flares affect our moods and mental state. Why should this be different? To me it feels like concentric rings, we have a good handle on the inner circles but it gets pretty fuzzy with the outer ones which are so big they should! But this model was kind of widespread and ring true to me in general If you consider the Empire to be in operation and crushing all this knowledge, and inverting it. Creating a line instead of circle as far as the way we conceive time I would get that And then with the spiritual side The idea of the rapture where a supernatural being saves a select few

1:05:23 But to go up to heaven, it's like a real flip on the idea of alien gods taking us below where we've been taught to fear to go. Don't go with them! They must be the demons just wait for the angels to take you up Yeah real convenient might be waiting awhile but fun stuff The plus show added a ton more to the stack The management of the cycles by the elite knowing their windows for successful rulership how they might plan to game this cycle We talked about the war between the King of the Underground and the King of the Barbarians, The Savior with a saber on a white horse symbol and how that relates to the Taurid Meteor Shower. Shambhala, the Celestial Kingdom, Western conditioning magic and its potency along with the cycle we also got into the powder keg that reality is right now in Bibu's thoughts on next year as we come up on that March 2025 time frame

1:06:21 We talked about how Bibu sees the lines being drawn for World War 3. Just a lot of good, wholesome fun stuff and he does make a great guest Obviously sign up right in the show notes if you want to join Plus add the plus feed to your preferred app And you're all set listening to full two-hour episodes as God intended and all your dreams coming true Are my kids gonna eat saline crackers or grass fed steak next month? I guess it's all in your hands But before we do the wrapping up stuff, I wanted to read you something that I had in my outline that we didn't get to. Just a couple of parallel stories from different times and places that relate to the overall themes here. Forgive my pronunciations...I could just skip it but I don't really mind sounding dumb so reading from Yugashift A Welsh story written by Walter Mapp about 1383 CE in his De Nougas

1:07:18 Cyrillium tells of a dwarf king who had attended the wedding of Hrla, a King of the ancient Britons. The dwarfs appeared in great host and brought with them provisions for the feast which were laid out in vases made of precious stones and vessels made of gold and crystal. A year later, the Dwarf-King reappeared to lead Hrla to his own kingdom. He, Hrla and his guide entered a very lofty cliff and after a place of darkness they passed into the light seemingly not of the sun but many lamps like the palace of the Sun in Ovid's description. Having celebrated there the marriage of the Dwarf King and having discharged his debt to the dwarf, Hrla

1:08:02 returned back laden with gifts and with presents of horses, dogs, hawks and other things. When Hurla returned to his own world however he learned that what had seemed only to be three days visit had actually been 200 years or more And then Bibu goes on to say, this phenomenon of time dilation is very typical in Irish and Welsh legends and occurs whenever someone returns after a visit to the land of the fairy folk. A story similar in many respects is found in the Itinerium Cambria written about 1191 CE by Giraldis Cambrinesis

1:08:41 He relates that in the neighborhood of Swansea, the priest Eleodorus confessed to Bishop David II a strange experience of his boyhood. While coming home from school and playing around and hiding under the bank of a river, two little men of pygmy stature appeared to him saying if you would come with us we will lead you to a country full of delights and sports. Ascending and rising up he followed his guides through a path at first subterraneous and dark into a most beautiful country adorned with rivers and meadows woods and plains but dim and not illuminated with the full light of the sun

1:09:21 Not dark, but dim. The boy was brought before the king and introduced to him in the presence of the court These men were of the smallest stature but very well proportioned in their make They were a fair complexion with luxuriant hair falling over their shoulders like that of women They had horses adapted to their small stature equal in size to greyhounds They never took an oath they ditested nothing so much as lies Heard that many times in these stories As often as they returned from the upper hemisphere, they reprobated our ambitions and inconsistencies. They had no form of public worship being strict lovers and reverers as it seemed of truth." Hmm... Love it! Just add it to the pile but these stories do seem to be everywhere checking many of the same boxes along the way

1:10:13 And speaking of everywhere, let's get to that rating from the nearly universally liked recent Analog episode and that rating is a 4.7! Okay was there ever any doubt? It was actually a 4.8 yesterday when I checked but 4.7 makes me plenty happy and if i'm not making shows that you guys like what am I doing right Luckily, a lot of us have similar tastes. So if I please myself, I please you. That's how I think about it. But if you want to meet other listeners with similar tastes go to the Meetup calendar at highersidemeetups.com and see what's happening! Next on the list we have Saturday September 7th Canaan New Hampshire Pour House Barbecue that's recurring We got Red Root Farm in Milford Connecticut on September 8th September 11th San Antonio Texas

1:11:06 And then we jump all the way to November 9th at The Trails Cafe in Los Angeles, California. So a little light right now it'd be great to see more events fill up but it is just a resource for you I hear meetups can be hit or miss in the less densely populated areas. Clearly we have several recurring ones where people have formed a little traditional monthly hang and that's awesome to see If you hear me mention one in your area, definitely consider going We are strong in number but very spread out so don't leave a local hanging if they put themselves out there RSVP on the calendar so the host knows what to expect and just have a good time

1:11:47 But that's the show, Bibu is seriously something special. Super fun talking to him, great book, enjoyable interview and I got a sick closing song for all those atomic fireball fans out there although maybe that's just me but hey caviar and shitlands all day take care of you in yours i've done my part your move yuga cycle concealers underground savior beings and hands of the cosmic clock You're fucking The world's on fire A cosmic mess Kali Yuga's ending If you couldn't guess We're at the bottom Impressively low But there's a secret Cosmic rock! Tafe of chaos That's where wheels are rising Taking us down with the flow Cosmic rock bottom

1:13:11 Heard it on THC Safe from the chaos That's where we'll be And gods are rising From below, taking us down They'll open the gates To a hidden realm inside Where peace and harmony go on For the ones who don't die Ancient through the towers Of this feck of DH

1:14:05 Peace and harm for the ones who don't die With ancient wisdom they'll guide through the dark of this fateful day Cosmic rock, lit on T, safe from the chaos That's where we alien gods are rising From deep, taking us down