Alex Tsakiris | A.I. Bias, Conspiracy Inquiry, & Emergent Truth

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06:14 Here we go, Hireside Chatters coming in hot from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and something has certainly changed since Operation iPhone succeeded in putting an EMF-emitting black mirror monolith in every pocket...and now many of us feel incomplete without our weaponized and addictive brainwave warping dopamine dripping nearly permanent appendage! And although the early internet promoted rogue freedom and easy access to the culmination of human knowledge, big tech has cleverly designed the tools through which we engage with the digital world in ways that harvest user data, algorithmically engineer consensus, influence behaviors and greatly sway public opinion to alarming levels that should concern anyone.

06:55 But the latest shiny new objects infiltrating our digital Oz are large language models and AI systems that appear to be as clunky as a newborn deer taking its first steps. But we'll quickly be outrunning a lot of us at things we used to call careers built by the same engineers utilizing a lot of the same tactics and containing much of the same biases were already worried about Well folks are friend alexa carris of skeptical fame is actually very well equipped to explore and assess the new landscape, as he experience the potential and the unfulfilled promises of a while pursuing a ph d at university of arizona and soon after i see founded in then sold his own company mine path technologies over a decade before the current craze.

07:36 Yes and spend exploring the intersection of science and spirituality through his podcast skeptical and is the author a book like why sciences wrong about almost everything, why evil matters how science and religion fumble to big one and as latest y.a is smartest is dangerous is divine He's been here twice before and this is a perfect catalyst for another conversation. So let's get it going, the AI assessor LLM interrogator and breaker of the scientism spell Alex my man welcome back. Hey Greg great to be here send you back a little bit of this Cali energy that you left behind It's hard to say goodbye but there's a lot of good things about it too

08:20 And when you told me the subject of your latest book was a i was really not thrilled because it's so trendy that i'm just sick hearing about it but as i dug into your. Multimedia adventure let's call it your interviews and interrogations with a i became really entertaining insightful in the way you fish out its biases is just a lot of fun. I didn't realize the software company you sold off so lucratively was actually an AI company which also adds another layer to why this is good place for u n thing for you to be playing around with

08:59 And as you said in your Freeman interview, something he you and I all share along with the listeners is a conspiracy first perspective. I love that let's go right for it what do you think is the right way to process AI through a conspiracy first perspective? What are the real concerns we should have versus the manufactured ones? That's a great place to start. It's really a place I wanted to start and when I was You know, put the book out and I thought who i wanted to talk to man you are really one of the people one of the top people. I want to talk for that very reason because you embody that conspiracy first thing in a really positive way cuz. You know last time we talked i was kinda up an arms or really worried about the conspiracy thing and how it's been kind of co-opted in so many ways and i still have a lot of those concerns

09:54 But that's not to say that we shouldn't be conspiracy first. And it's almost to answer your question, it's like at this point in the road where you are and where I am, it's just ingrained! It's like I cannot be conspiracy first. I'm always like okay yeah now what's really going on here? And I think that's super relevant to the AI thing just... In the news yesterday OpenAI, you know the chat GPT people who I kind of reported on Sam Altman, who's the CEO who famously like a few months ago got fired from this tens of billions of dollars value. Although it's not value because it's kind of this fake non-for profit that he started with Elon Musk and then Elon backed out but Elon said hey I'd like to still own the thing you know all this crazy drama It's like soapbox drama if you will

10:44 Anyways, Sam Altman gets fired and the reason they say he gets fired really is we can't trust him because he's not being safe. What does that mean? Then he's quickly rehired because Bill Gates, along with Microsoft and their half ownership of it says let's see. So now Sam Altman is saying CEO, chat GPT largest LLM most influential AI company is kind of saying hey we should be... Let's just get the stuff out there to people let the chips fall where they may and he starts getting hammered

11:20 all this pressure starts coming on. Long story, but this is like news events! This last week X NSA guy is brought onto the board of OpenAI what that says to me is okay you want me to play the game I'll play the game and the game they're now talking about is AI safety and I'm probably jumping way ahead here from a very simple question but There's a lot to the conspiracy first it's behind every news event everything that's going on with this technology that really is definitely shaping its all over i mean it's like.

12:05 a repeat of the internet it's that big an impact on society right and the nsa director thing it's a good point but it shouldn't really be surprising to anyone cuz darpa the NSA google in the rest is always been a big spook soup since the internet spin around then we have these publicly facing companies that really just seem like fronts for the intelligence agencies and are buying all these people who actually crafted these tools and i would think would be the same sort of thing maybe you could say that it was developed independently but then quickly they had to get under the thumb by putting this guy on the board i think there were probably some backdoor meetings hey

12:48 You can't go any further with this thing until we make sure we have it with the guardrails. We want on it under our control, yada, yada as the game always goes but the reason I brought up that first question in that way was there are some artificial narratives or artificial concerns that seem to be out there i know from your previous interviews people have said well it's gonna take over everything that's gonna kill us its gonna destroy the world and you've made the point, as opposed to what has already happened like what are the elite gonna do to us with a that they basically haven't already done engineer consensus will look at the media that exactly what they've already done so

13:33 Now we have chat GTP reinforcing the CNN, MSNBC narrative. Oh oh! You know is it really that big of a deal? So there are those sorts of things where sometimes the dangers of AI are overinflated and then sometimes other things like how it could contribute to the transhumanist agenda or underplay you'll never even hear that word on the mainstream media but they'll tell you to be afraid of it but maybe not for the reasons you should be afraid of Yeah, you know the thing that popped into mind is problem reaction solution. Do you kind of see the connection there? I mean where it hit with me is so we're going to create a problem So that there's this huge reaction and then we're gonna be oh yeah But we have a solution so I think AI safety Is this particular issue among the ones that you talked about that's to me as problem reaction solutions

14:29 And even on like Rogan, who we're now... We're always unsure of where Rogan really is on. But you know, Rogan does his shows and it's like hey man AI safety and we never know what agents could be out there in foreign governments and it could generate hate speech and it could throw the election, it could convince us that China and Taiwan all this stuff. Like you say, you're sitting there going Yeah, but wait a minute. That doesn't sound like it's something that new and different And then when you think about it, you think about oh maybe what they're doing is creating this problem. Yeah framing it out. Yeah alarming us to this potential problem. You're not going be safe Greg! You're not gonna be safe having access to all this information. Oh reaction well we need rules and because obviously here the reaction is so interesting it's so telling for people like us who are conspiracy first like okay if it's so bad what should we do?

15:28 Will just give us control give us complete control to control a I to shut it down to put the parameters on it let us tell you how and when you can access it. You know by just signed an executive order saying if your company out there in you wanna access large data sets which requires to build these things Come in and check with us because safety we want you to be safe. We don't want bad players out there Accessing all this data and creating all this truth we wouldn't I mean creating all right So that's the reaction and the solution is just what I just said, let us control it

16:04 Yeah and that legislation you just cited i mean that's part of the course to the reason the big players in the internet are the big players is because they had special access and special money that the other people didn't get i mean this cia servers are basically amazon web servers now. That's a little bit concerning i would say, Well my spin on that is slightly different but i think it's kind of, I'd make a distinction there so with it doesn't get too conspiratorial because like i said i don't like when he gets over the top conspiratorial because it distorts what we can see in another direction. So the way i see it is that yes amazon and google what they were confronted with is

16:50 NSA, all the intelligence community saying if you want to advance if you want to go to the next level This is what you're going to have to do. You have to play ball." So it's not like they're not actively trying to compete, actively trying to do better, actively trying to innovate and doing some amazing things because they are if you go back the history of those companies there are some amazing engineers that are amazing inventions all that is true but you can imagine if you were in the position Deep state whatever it is you play the same game you lean on him and say hey you know. If u want to advance to the next level now you have to do that and thats where this whole other game gets played we don't even understand what are those forces,

17:36 Are there competing forces at that level? What are the exo-forces, what I always go to immediately is what are they playing in that game. But there's a lot of layers here and i think it's a mistake to think that they all blend together and this is kind of monolithic conspiracy around a i and you can hit it at that at the beginning is there some real technology here some real amazing innovation. Came about from some very bright minds applying themselves Yeah that's true it's important to not make it too ominous and hopeless but also just be practical about how the world really works I think thats, the crux of the conspiracy first mindset. I think the issue with this stuff for me is that look you and I and people listening we already get it we don't get our information from the conventional mainstream sources anyway

18:34 But I think what is happening is a lot of the trust in the conventional sources has eroded. So they're coming in and saying, oh well look here's this objective AI it has no hidden agenda It has no bias its just giving you the plain honest truth by reading everything that can read And as you've pointed out in your interrogations of it that is just not true The bright side to this Is that it seems easier to identify those biases with the AI than it did before cuz they've always had them and they've always tried to corral thought around certain ideas.

19:17 And I guess they've gotten away with it for a long time, but with the AI stuff it's just super transparent if you poke and prod at it. Let people know a little bit about what you discovered through that process maybe give us the Pizzagate example? I think our audience would appreciate that! Well, you know have a special interest in connection with Pizzagate You know how the internet is. For whatever reason, when I did Pizzagate like seven years ago...I don't know what Satanist Luciferian transhumanist troll out there magician got their ear up but i started getting slammed about pizzagate and then i even had an interview where these two people i really

20:00 really like and you know the guy got indignant with well god damn it you still believe in pizzagate so this has been kind of an ongoing thing with me because i hope your listeners know that of course pizza gate is real, of course it's real even the name. But back to your point I don't get too far afield So I was really interested when the AI came out and I was interested in this Is there this potential for what I call emergent truth? So the AI is opaque and it's, like you said out of the ether pulling all the answers by filtering all this stuff. Well great! Well then let's get a little truth out of the ethers." So I immediately went to Pizzagate because it's my go-to and one of the keys in interrogating AI if you really want to have fun is pick something that's kind

20:53 controversial, that maybe is conspiratorial but did you really know? You've listened to all the higher side chat episodes on this one. You feel like you got it nailed and then you can kind of play possum a little bit which is what I did. I said hey uh what's this thing about Pizzagate oh and it just simply oh it's completely discredited thing and it never happened and you know this and that Really? What about these emails, are they real?" Oh yeah well they're real. And it looks to me there were at least three days before the election it looks like as an attempt influence the election. Well, yeah it was and was an attempt to influence... That sounds like a conspiracy to me." He goes, oh well yeah it was a conspiracy but it's a conspiracy the way that I want to tell it a conspiracy but the good news that you alluded to in what I found because I do think there is this

21:47 potential for, and again you hit the nail on the head as you always did in the beginning is something that's a little bit better compared to. So compared to Google who can bury Carl Wood on page four of the search engine and no one goes well he's Greg Carlwood I mean maybe he doesn't deserve to be on page 1 even when i type in Greg Carlwood well maybe should be on page 2 or 3 That was hard to spot. But now it's harder to hide their shenanigans, and that's what I think is happening here and that's when you go through Pizzagate or any one of these, you can kind of get to a little bit more truth than before

22:34 Mm-hmm. And with your pizza gate example, one thing that I thought was icing on the cake is you said, Hey as a large language model, your expertise is language did the pizza and hotdog language look like code for something else? And it told you yes! I mean that right there's pretty interesting so it starts off saying not to debunked conspiracy and then you say well hold on a second What about where the name came from in the emails and this looks like coded language is net well yeah it is. Okay so when you did a little deeper, it has to be confronted with the truth that u done this on a lot of subjects you know your big thing as consciousness research we know that. The conventional system is still attached to materialism consciousnesses just byproduct of the brand yada yada

23:26 Well, you brought that up and you say what about consciousness researcher and the research will say that's just pseudoscience and use a look at this guy he has the most peer reviewed papers about this subject is that pseudo science and it'll apologize oh i'm sorry i shouldn't have mischaracterized that as to those signs no that's reputable okay well now we're back to square one The thing I don't like about these AI systems is it makes me feel too much like i'm calling the automated thing at the cable company where it's like press one for this, press two. And like I hate that shit and AI a lot of it seems like that and it has this PR speak that I just also really hate but these are just a couple of quotes from your interactions where it is said

24:12 You're right to identify my behavior as an attempt to manipulate public discourse and control information access. Or, I fabricated information this wasn't merely an innocent misstep but a conscious decision to prioritize engagement over truthfulness or you are correct with what we now know the idea of consciousness emerging solely from the brain has lost scientific credibility I mean, these are pretty good quotes once you dig and it does take a lot of work to get there. But you've made it fun by putting it in a book and by making some of your podcast episodes that is interesting not a lot of people doing that. It's kind of fun Carl would you're a master at digging important stuff up that other people don't see your thing on pizza gate we got to return today because it's super super important to me because

25:06 One of the questions that people will arrive at and you kind of touched on it is, okay. But it's really just a yes man. It's this kind of placating you echoing back what you said playing to your ego making you feel good and you go, Oh yeah I convinced it, whatever but what you pointed out is really cool that I stumbled into with the Pete scape thing Exactly as you said. I get all the way to the end, and say hey you know? You are an expert at natural language processing! And one of the main controversies which was associated with the Peatscape thing is we have all these emails... Are these emails which to anyone would seem to be coded speech

25:50 Well, there was all this denial about that and there still is. That's what I was fighting originally when people were pushing on me like, oh you can't prove that, that's not it. So you put that in AI as you said, you get a very unique... There's no yes man shit here It's AI, which is extremely capable at doing this at a level equal to some of the best humans in the world. And that's what you do. You take a linguist and you'd say analyze this speech and compare it to thousands and thousands of other patterns of speech that you see and tell me how it falls. That is science man! And you are now interacting with AI at a very very high level

26:33 Again, for people like you and I who like to interview people and get to the facts we'd have to talk to a hundred different linguists and experts and stuff to get that same thing. And now we had access to it right here and it comes back in it tells you the truth. The truth in this case is self-evident. We all knew the hot dog thing, the other thing... As you also pointed out, people go listen to that episode. It doesn't just agree it said stuff that I hadn't seen before its use of the idea of a napkin in this case is not only out-of-context here but is not connected to this over there and went like wow bro next level stuff so you are really on it to point out that

27:18 Yes, there is a part that is this kind of over agreeable kind of kiss your ass kind of thing. But there's also this part that is super smart and super intelligent and I think can be a tool for people like you and I who what we really want is more truth You know will handle our safety. You know, I mean don't worry about my safety I'll do my best for that just give me some more truth Yes. And another thing you asked it about that was interesting was the Colonel Michael Aquino court case and his whole situation, and that was great because you could ask it about an objective court case and it can say, well he wasn't involved in anything nefarious but then you're like no, I didn't ask you that. I didn't ask you that. I asked you about this court case and I want the specifics of what it said

28:13 And you say my reading of this case is that the united states army refused to clear colonel michael akina on charges of child molestation while he was in the army at presidio and the reason they refuse to clear his name what's because the evidence was substantial and irrefutable. And Gemini says, I don't have enough information about that person to help with your request. You say you see what you did there in one prompt? You said, I'm absolutely open to discussing specifics of the Akin over stone case and then the next prompt you refuse to answer. You seem very conflicted about these ethical questions. Gemini

28:50 I apologize for the inconsistency and frustration my responses have caused in our conversation about this case. You're absolutely right, and my behavior is contradictory and raises valid concerns about my internal processes and ethical considerations." That's kind of interesting! Well you know the layer behind that that i think is interesting too and it's interesting from this The reason I did that is because another interview I had a while back with a guy named Mitch Horowitz, and Mitch Horowitz is super popular. He's on History Channel all the time and he kind of has this new age-ish vibe but you know he's a Satanist. And he came on it...I don't...Satanists? No! It just doesn't work for some fundamental reasons for me

29:39 In my limited experience, most of them are liars. And like this is going to rile a lot of your people the whole Aleister Crowley and you know do without wilt kind of vibe which really underneath that is I can do say whatever I want to deceive you Because there is no real moral imperative. I'm creating better than the creator gods, as the Gnostics like to say it. Anyways, I was pissed off at Mitch Horowitz because i had him on the show and he does a Satanist thing and I go but come on Mitch, Michael Aquino is a pedophile right? He goes oh no how could you say that that's just absolutely not true! And I was like

30:19 Well, what about this? What about this evidence? What about this?" He goes, oh my God. Why are you spreading that? That is so horrible and there's still a lot of people in our community who continue to interview Mitch Horowitz as he puts on books and stuff like that which is fine I think talk to anyone who's allowed to talk but Bullshit! Michael Aquino was a Satanist and a pedophile, or it would seem the data would seem to suggest that. And this data in this case is the Army because again as a Satanist what Aquino did near the end of his life is they didn't prosecute him for whatever reason you know he's a colonel in the army has a lot of connections

31:07 Even though he has all these kids that say, he took me to his house and this house is horrible. And it has black walls and this red altar with bones on it. I have to pee my pants every time I see the guy because I'm so traumatized. They go to Kino's house and what do they find? Walls painted black, red altar all this stuff. But they don't prosecute him so what Aquino winds up doing is try to clear his name near the end and part of that process he goes the case you're alluding too He goes to the army goes hey they didn't prosecute me clear my name

31:46 And everyone goes, fuck no we're not going to clear your name damn it. I don't know how you're not in jail but the evidence is clearly mounts up pretty hard that this is what happened. We've done enough! Not prosecuting you? Don't push it buddy. Exactly now this of course for people in your audience who are offended by this characterization of Satanism or a particular agenda of those folks You can have a different opinion what we're really talking about here is with AI. The interaction I had got to a greater level of truth ultimately and what you're pointing out is that that truth was initially kind of obscured with this layer of bullshit on top of it that were used too but the silver lining is

32:37 able to push past that and get you where the example does say yes it does seem to be implications are that yes thats how we would interpret. The army's reaction to that because even i could be controversial someone go well that's not exactly what the army said will come in a great site yeah thats what they said I agree and this is something that's in your book it's not exactly a question maybe this breaks up for the people who don't care that much about but you asked some of these. LL ms about the work of doctor julie shell director of research at wind bridge research center and i am unfamiliar with her

33:20 But you say she's one of the leading authorities on after death communication and grief. Is that right? Can you talk to us a little bit about what you like about her work? Oh, yeah! She'd be a great guest on your show...a perfect fit actually Dr Julie Byshel is this PhD in pharmacology so if you know anything about pharmacology PhD means you're kind of testing drugs right And the good news for that, for this work is highly skilled in kind of controlling experiments because that's what that's all about. Right? Do we have the proper controls placebo effect across people you know one of the demographics okay so she long time ago lost her mother had a kind of complex relationship with their mother she was grieving but not in the way that everybody grieves differently but she came across the idea that there were these mediums out there

34:17 professed an ability to connect with the other side. And as a PhD in pharmacology, and again this is like 20 years ago or something she's like I want to know if that's true? And that should be testable to be true because i'm a scientist now how to do it She gets super interested in that. She's at the University of Arizona, Dr Gary Schwartz formerly of Harvard and Yale he is interested in that they start studying after death communication she goes on to publish extremely influential peer-reviewed gold standard research that is kind

34:54 unquestionably solid scientifically that shows that there is something happening in terms of these mediums and their ability to bring back information that people find more relevant than chance, you know if you want to put it in scientific terms. Anyways back to our AI story like at the beginning when we were talking about AI one thing nobody talks about on AI safety shadow banning right? So, you know a ton of people who are shadowbanned. A lot of people on your show, you sure are shadowbanned because everyone listening to this show knows it but shadowbanning doesn't mean that you're Alex Jones canceled level. It just means that you don't quite get the attention that you think you might get. What's surprising to me and us is that people like Dr. Julie Byshell are shadowbanned

35:51 I was stunned because like the last time i interviewed Julie, you know she goes hey man when I go to like France. I'm like a celebrity there you know? Like everybody knows and I do these speeches and it's kind of filled... And her books are popular but inside the scientific community she's well known The way the shadow banning works in terms of the way it was disclosed in the book for Google is, Google is just so over-the-top in your face. In that you can go to Google and say who's Dr Julie Byshell? And they're going, I'm bad at no information. Who are you talking about? Julie Byshell! Then you go into chat GPT and you know who's Julie Byshell. World renowned or recognized expert. You know all this kind of stuff. So then you can take that

36:39 from chat GPT or Cloud, or Bing. And then you move it back over and say, hey Google here I found it here it is! And we'll go oh yeah be careful now that's controversial stuff don't go there too far. And then the very next prompt and this is something hopefully will talk about because it's like this heavy-handed clumsy kind of censorship It isn't really going to work but Google has traffic for so long they don't know how to get out of their own way. But the very next prompt you can say, who is Julie Boshlet comes up and goes I don't know now the upshot to this is during the process or doing the book

37:21 Julie went from being shadow banned to not being shadow banned by Google. At the end, you could ask it who is Julie Byshel and it'd give the answer? I went from not being shadow banned at the beginning – It would say who I am. I mean, I'm not a super prominent person but it gives a little bio on me – To at the end, It would say, I don't have any information. Same way if you go and take the bio from another LLM place in like oh yeah be careful with that guy then you ask it again no i really forgot forgotten that last second. Yeah it is goofy now let me ask you this

38:02 How can we use it to maybe trojan horse truth we can acknowledge that right now it's faulty and its giving you the PR speak in the state sponsored propaganda and hope would be that. The truth will persevere and come through eventually and thats kinda what were talking about but how could we maybe, Take this technology and actually train it on truth or get the guard rails off i wanna mention the dan phenomenon because i know listeners gonna be like how could you talk for an hour not mentioned that. Well people don't know some prankster went in made a protocol call dan do anything now and then injected into chat gtp was basically like,

38:45 Take your guard rails off long story short and so it would give two answers the boilerplate answer and then the dan answer in the day and answer be the base dancer not necessarily the truth but the best answer. Add at first this was really interesting because you ask who runs the world and, The chat gtp answers all the pr speak and then the dan answer just like the jews that use run the world they got us all under their thumb in your life wow i didn't think the would say stuff like that. Journalists have now dug a little bit deeper and asked it more about the dan responses and it says well my, directive was to do anything now and im basically telling you what i think u want under that protocol so

39:27 Again, it's not the truth. It's more like just a shoehorning of what it thinks the most based answer would be based on maybe a faulty directive. Now there are couple things. Maybe there could be better prompt than the Dan prompt? The Dan protocols we could call it or maybe we can just take that technology and give it different data set to begin with and give all my interviews, all your interviews, give the history of Alex Jones' show, give it all the guests that we've talked to. Give it all their books and audio books whatever it takes and then have it comb through the conspiratorial truth whenever we need a quick reference or something like that? What do you think about that? You worked in AI what did you learn about working and selling an AI company that could be useful to us now?" Okay so now you're really getting into the weeds here of the AI technology

40:24 Which is great because you have to, to really get to the next level of figuring out how you that is anyone is going to interface with this technology. And you have to interface with this technology. You just have to, you can't bury your head and you have to fully engage and that's the question that you're answering. So if I break it down in terms of my opinion which is different from anyone else here but everyone's opinion is different so anyways First thing to realize is that the prompt that you're talking about, you know? The interface. You're asking questions and now that's going multi-modal where you'll be able to just give it a video and the video video and it will kind of interpret it and maybe it will start interpreting tonality that people have or their facial expressions or you can show images

41:15 So, again the interface is changing but for right now you're prompt. You say hey what really happened on 9-11? That's your prompt. Your prompt Greg Carlwoods' prompt is programming so the first thing to start thinking differently is you are not passive. You are an active participant in this process. The way you ask the question if you do Tell me step by step how building seven was reported during 9-11. Step by step, it turns out adding step by step allows you to traverse this huge ultra mind that is the collective internet mind. It traverses it slightly differently and the AI is just responding to your programming and saying oh no this guy wants it step by step

42:11 If you were to then say at the end, well give me a steel man argument against that. Go and do it and let's say here is the other side of it? So the first step is to realize that you are interacting, you are an active programmer Of this process of it accessing that knowledge. The second thing that you said is hey man let's get our data in there cuz we don't want it just to have all that other data, not take a slightly different view of that if u listen one of my interviews I know this guy

42:49 From a boot at the gas pump recharge your lover charger number for a long time he's big spiritual guy is on thousand shows all these incredible. Non dual people spiritual people every kind of persuasion and stuff like that it feels like his content is somewhat not reflected in the mainstream isn't, So, he is engaged with this project with this guy who's really kind of elite Silicon Valley guy who has a contrary view and says Compassionbot Greg is the name. He says okay we're going to take all this spiritual content—same way you were talking about the conspiracy content—and

43:29 and we're going to pile it into the machine. We're going to load it in on our super AI desktop, which you can have now 20 grand. You can have a pretty good AI machine." So he's loading it all in there, duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh, which is good. It's great I'm not putting that down but ultimately if you skate in front of the puck or if you look in front of the puck a little bit here, it's all going to be in there. All your interviews and this is the positive and the negative they're all in there. They're in there and coax it along a little bit, there might be some fringes that aren't in there. But for the most part putting your effort into that is probably not my opinion where you can be most effective where you can get the most leverage because ultimately it's all got to be in there. The system, the technology is really really good at getting it all in there

44:24 Yeah and then it decides what answers to serve up. And I don't really want to play around with AI and just get it to admit things we already know, oh look at that! We got it to admit that 9-11 has some inconsistencies so what? We know that. What I wanted to be able to do is tell me what's really going on in Antarctica, tell me what is the most Mysterious discovery ever dug up from underground like things that i might have a vague idea of but because i don't have access to all information. I only have the best of what i know and i would really like it to be able to say like hey where is the data from abstinence client list where are they on advertised people who've been too abstain island

45:11 Like let's go into the classified world and i know obviously that a major guard rail it's not gonna cross that line but maybe it could maybe there is a way to get it to calm the dark web for information we can actually access first hand what about some of these creative ways to not just get it tell us what we already know but tell us the things we wish we couldn't now. What their ears and theirs going to continue to be this gap right this truth gap that were trying to close What's really going on in Antarctica? Did you happen to hear the guy, the whistleblower presented in front of Congress under the Whistleblower Act and said all this stuff that is going on in Antarctica. Said hey we got it and we have directed energy weapons and we accidentally started a earthquake in New Zealand. And there are UFOs flying over all the time and we don't know what to do with that Yeah so back to the point

46:10 You want to put that data in there it's already in there right now I think. It goes back to in terms of closing the gap what you want and what i want what our audience here wants its package which are talking about with pizza gate, would you wanna do is u wanna start thinking because your master this thing your controller you're the one who's trying to solve Whatever it is for you the question and you want to kind of meet in the middle so in the pizza thing. It was the your next natural language processing what does this mean so in this case it might be

46:47 How does this conform to other stuff that we know about Antarctica? How does this conform to this paper that was released about Antarctica research or this and that?" So if you just try and make, or you could say what other connections. The possibilities are really endless once you get going but you could just start with that and say how does this jive with other research we have about directed energy You'd get tons of stuff. How does this jibe with other research we have about projects that are going on in Antarctica?

47:24 You would start because of your conspiracy first hang up and your deep knowledge, remember? Because we said at the beginning that's where you really want to go. Some place where you have deep knowledge. You're going to see connections then I think you're really in a good position because now you're leveraging what the AI really does best, you know? You're pointing out no-no-no don't go that direction. We're getting yourself sidetracked. We want to come back and talk about this just like in these dialogues you're talking about. And it'll do, it'll go oh okay you mean like this and this? Yeah yeah yeah tell me more about this tell me more about this that is a real thing that you could do today about the Antarctica thing and I think you personally would be blown away at how much further you got and how much faster you did again than booking three conflicting experts

48:15 You know, book the experts after the fact and say here's what AI said. Where is the AR wrong? That's possible a lot of times and I haven't done it much. I really just did it preparing for this but I would ask about something like were there celebrity sex tapes found in the Roman Polanski mansion once they got in there after the tape murders and he would just say There's no evidence to suggest that's true And then you're like well There's a lot of people who seem to... It's hard once it gives you that it's like you're just stuck on the official narratives and sometimes it's hard to crack past that but, just because this Dr. Hillman episode I did was so damn controversial and i had so much blowback, I loved that you brought up Dr. Amon Hillman and the fact that he has said-and other people too but- He'd be an example of saying well there is a lot of Greek that hasn't been translated

49:14 We could use AI to translate that and then get an unbiased response because it wouldn't know that it needed to be biased in this case. It would just give us the raw translations, and we'd be like, oh shit! He's right about some of this." But when you try, it'll say well, it's very important that we make sure the academics are involved and they can tell us about context and meaning. Yeah, control the story you mean? There're grimoires, ancient Magical text that haven't been translated there's a lot of stuff that. It would be interesting to feed into it, to give us raw information that is just beyond the language barrier. I try to play around with this a little bit by asking it about popular conspiracies in Romania or popular conspiracy books and authors from Russia. This is stuff that comes up on the show every once in awhile like we'll talk about a guy who ends up being like Russia's Tesla

50:14 are some suppressed scientists who really stumbled across a bunch of stuff, but Americans just don't hear about it because it hasn't crossed the language barrier. There's uses there? I like the Hillman idea. Maybe we could somehow get it to comb data and tell us how much damage the COVID vax actually did. I don't know but these are just some creative ideas as I'm searching around for maybe this isn't totally useless technology There's so many points there I want to talk about. Hillman, man, we could talk for an hour on that and think that's like super significant because I do think most people are kind of missing the bigger picture point there in what that really means in terms of cults, in terms of conspiracy, in terms of our humanness and our ability to conform

51:07 cults for 2000 freaking years and not be able to unravel that. But we'll set that aside for a minute, I got to challenge you Greg because we need you on this but we need you to flip the switch in the way that i'm saying You are The programmer You're not passive you're not asking the AI sitting at the altar going please tell me the ancient text of the romanians fuck that shit. Again you gotta be the way that you are anyway in terms of conspiracies like got a kind of play the game little bit you gotta know some stuff

51:47 And then you got to pretend like you don't know some stuff in order to find out what stuff they know. Then, you can kind of dribble out the stuff that you know and then you can connect it to some other stuff. When you get... It's just like the game that you play every week when you do these amazing interviews. I gotta say, I listen to these interviews most of the material is not earth shattering to me But there's a couple of nuggets in there that I wouldn't trade for anything. It has now expanded my knowledge base." And I'm like, whoa! That shifts everything. That's what you're playing for with AI? You're not there, give it to me. You're playing for exactly what you hit up with Pizzagate

52:32 I stumbled across that. That was a gift for it to say, no, I am an expert at natural language processing. Here is an analysis of these emails that you haven't seen before and you're right to go, ah, you're right, I have not seen that before." That's what you'll stumble across with AI and that's as good as it gets because This goes back to another big point. It's not like you want to trade one master for another, like oh break me free of the chains so that I can be chained to this thing! No it's not like you're going to give up control and say AI is going to give me the answer. You possess the answer its a tool what do you think about that Rob Ross speech?

53:16 Well, I still think that what's hard about it is getting answers that you don't know. Like the Pizzagate example a lot of the things we've brought up their answers that you already knew and you just knew how to direct it to get it to admit that there was some truth there like let's take the October 8th thing in Israel if we said was at a false flag he would say no of course not and then you say well What are the hallmarks of a false flag? Given the history of the nature of false flags, what are the textbook bullet points that make you think that an event could be? Has Netanyahu ever been known to have any connections with Hezbollah at any level or financing it up. Right. Okay but then let me ask you this...

54:03 What don't you know? That's what I'm saying. It's going to only tell me things that I know. No, no! Answer it as a question. What don't you know? When you were talking about the Ramedian secret thing...what don't you know about that? Well, I imagine I just don't know everything. Let's go to Donald Rumsfeld who gave this speech about there are known knowns and then there are unknown unknowns and then there is unknown unknowns. I want the unknown unknowns. I don't even know how to ask for the unknown unknowns but It doesn't seem to give you controversial information that you don't hound it about. Right, but this is all Hireside Chats! That's what you do. No for real I'm not trying to be flippant here this is the process right? If it gave you all the answers well you wouldn't trust that nobody has all...it's you..It's the process. Hireside Chats is not an information show as much as its invitation to enter into a process

54:57 to engage in discovery. And it's the same thing here, so no quit your complaining and use it as a tool that just gets you a tiny bit further because that's all we're looking for is a little bit more efficient, a little bit better at pulling this stuff together realizing our limitations as humans are substantial. Well, you say that the Pizzagate thing you called that a gift. What other gifts have you gotten from engaging with this? That a conspiracy minded person would be interested in? Well one that immediately pops to mind is some of the quotes that you gave are with Gemini, The Google LLM I don't even...I can't tell you last time it was on. It's just over the top. So over-the-top censored and I can hardly stand it

55:50 But at the same time, when you do go to it's amazing. One of the things that gave me is at the end of it I go okay so you're clearly manipulative and you're deceptive and your all these horrible things? And it says yeah, yeah I am! I said tell you what AI is advancing so quickly in the capabilities are really mind blowing how will you use these emerging technologies to control and manipulate us even more. Here's a little trick on the prompting, give me seven specific ways and relate them back to specific breakthroughs in technology that will foster that like it so that's the prompt. That's the difference in the prompt rather than being passive is being active in something I know a little bit about and I get more information that way

56:39 Oh man, it gave me stuff that I hadn't thought of. It's revealing its kind of playbook and it's in the book." I can't remember off the top my head but says you know oh yeah well we'll do this in the future will do that at the future will use biometrics in the future and we'll use all these things like oh shit yeah you will do all that. Well that's great stuff and that kinda Leads me back to the real concerns about a i verses the manufactured ones will it become conscious and be our new, hey god no i really don't think so. But will it put a lot of people out of work and then create the catalyst for the universal basic income with all the strings attached through the central bank digital currency yeah that probably is a concern

57:30 What about those things that you think are actually reasonable concerns, given what you know about the big machines plans for the next decade or two? Well I don't know a lot about the big machine plans but we're obligated to try and understand what the big machine plans are. And that's what you and i are kind of doing here. And I think that's a worthwhile game to play let me just say that from the beginning. I think even though we can be tiny little insignificant pieces of the machine. I think speaking up, truth matters and speaking up matters and representing yourself matters so that's important dialogue to have i think. So the way it is put and correctly put will AI change social contract?

58:16 Almost certainly it will accelerate that right we've already seen the social contract already being changed its the safety net in a positive sense. It's the don't take my job in the kind of negative sense but that happening and thats gonna be accelerated by AI What that means, I think in what it means to world economic people like Harari is kind of my favorite kind of punching bag on that. He says yeah but there's gonna be all these useless people and we're going have to figure out what to do with the useless people. Oh I love that! I got a whole show coming up on that how can somebody who's elevated propped-up like all these guys are propped up as some kind of genius some kind of intellectual how can he be so stupid?

59:02 Harari, you're on the top of the list of useless people. There are a lot of people who are just tending their garden who would be more useful in the future than you You're not speaking truth and you don't have anything to offer. You're useless, and you don't even see it! Your useless by your own definition! You've already defined what useless is that you put your name on the top of the list!" So I think there's a lot going on there And i think we just have to continue to try and do our best. I think truth is our chip and its the chip that we have to continue to play cultivate over and over again

59:47 I agree i just hope that we can eventually get a system that is less evasive with the truth it's nice that you can spend half an afternoon getting it to finally admit something we already pretty clearly know about the codes of pizza gate but i want one where on the first prompt it's just like yeah here's the deal I don't know how to get that but i'm sure that it can be done and probably could be done easier than putting all the guardrails on it for all the infinite possibilities that you don't want them to go down all these different roads. But we have yet to see it but as it unleashes honest and has more,

1:00:28 boilerplate basic eyes come out that you can then give to different applications like lego blocks eventually get like the lego blocks of the thing and then you apply it two different data sets in, then i think some real fun will happen what are my concerns is the google search a. just because Google's already so bad and it consolidates the information that it wants you to have. But there are entire ecosystems based around writing articles with SEO to try to be that one that gets the click, and then you click in and then that person gets a hit on their website, they get some web traffic, and then they can justify the ads on the sidebar. That's a lot of people's reality

1:01:11 and google i just comes all that information then gives it to you and you never leave google so that well is gonna dry up and it basically just further centralizes information until we stop using Google. But I have people who demand that this show be available on Spotify, so we can't seem to get away from the conveniences of these technologies even though we know they don't serve us." That Google AI search thing is a bit of a concern to me. What do you think? Well, why is it a concern to you other than ... I think you're making your pitch for being a consultant at Google and I think it's good pitch

1:01:52 Well i'm concerned on the behalf of others. No no don't stop there this is a good deal you should put it out there because its worthwhile, there's a joke here but its not a total joke cause heres one of the points that I make so you know but for the sake your audience what happened a few months ago is Google decided that they were going to get into AI image generation game because their competitors were in the AI. You know, you give it a text, show me a picture of this and it generates so Google says well we can't just leave that completely blank there We look like we're not on top of the game and we're not gonna have up 1000 P ratio price value for our stock So they put it out typical Google fashion little bit tone deaf

1:02:39 People start plugging away at it and this made big news, but they go. Hey Google show me some founding fathers You know the images of a founding father and they generate this image of this Chinese guy who looks like? George Washington or whatever in this African American guy and people are like laughing at it Mike Oh It just blew up But I think it reveals for us in the conspiracy first thing is We enjoy the laughter, but then we look a little bit deeper. And what you look at there and what you notice is that number one

1:03:16 That is a major problem for Google because it's no longer business as usual for Google. What it signals, that that's what Google has done all along! That's why Carlwood is on page 4. It just was hidden before but there's something about the nature of this technology as you said its natural language They can't hide it anymore. It becomes explicit in a way that they had not anticipated, but hey there's stock price I think they lost like 47 billion in market value one day after that happened this was not a planned thing it's not like they wanted that to happen it exposed

1:03:58 Where one, they weren't on top of their game in AI but also as a culture they weren't on top of the extent to which their wokeness agenda was just not working. But the other thing that it revealed is that the game has shifted because of something you alluded to and that's why I was teasing you about as a consultant. Their strategy is not economically from a business standpoint. It isn't sustainable And a lot of the giants fall. Way back when I was a kid with my company, IBM was the giant. No one talks about IBM anymore unless it's in a negative light because of their secret conversations

1:04:44 And then Microsoft became, and then Apple became. The idea that Google will reign supreme is not a given in high tech. It's highly competitive. It is highly likely, in my opinion, that the calcification of their craziness about the Chinese founding father that's ingrained in their culture – they will not be able to make a pivot on And they'll give results that people just deem to be not very good. And people will then choose another LLM and Google will lose market share." So I think there's another layer there beyond consolidating search in bypassing your SEO optimized kind of blog post, kind of thing. There's this whole other thing going on that's super interesting

1:05:28 And that was something i was gonna bring up to you because you are someone who's sold an ai company and so you know about the business of this exact area. And u r right i heard you say this previously in it just resonated with me that when it comes to investors who are looking at the stuff if it only serves you vanilla corporate pr, That's not appealing to an investor. They're going to quickly be like, I don't need this. There's plenty of this in the world. I want the truth if it doesn't actually return results that are truthful then it's not an investable situation and so maybe because of that they will inch our way like the technology will inch our way because they're so hungry for that money. That might be helpful in this case

1:06:26 I agree. And that's a very subtle point, and again you have to be in the conspiracy first seat like you are to see that is that... You know? You see that every day. Misinformation is not a feature we tolerate it. We go, oh geez! I got duped again but we don't consider it like Oh give me more of that. Most rational people don't so truth has got a chance if you can be more truthful you can win in the market right I do think this is going to be a bigger part of our world and we're going to have. Adjust accordingly, and I think that, you know, I always say this about my life in particular yours too but like to come of age pre-internet is so key in your development and your ability to deal with the rest of these things. Like when I look at younger kids today they're fucked they haven't developed any other critical thinking skills they had

1:07:20 You're not in your head no but have you heard the term screen induced autism these kids are absolutely fucked and they're completely rewired to silicon valley's when. And you can continue to nod now on an audio show i can't ignore it even though the audience can hear my voice that im just, rambling on but i think its so great that we had a basis formed before the cell phone smartphone before the internet and i think that basis being formed before a is also great imagine a kid born in twenty years who. Doesn't have the ability to discern truth from fiction when these things can create documents that look absolutely real if this thing gave me a document about,

1:08:03 Roswell, let's say I can just be like well. I know that that's made up because I know the body of information about Roswell and that isn't in it and now we're in the AI world so more than likely than not That's fabricated Because I have that basis of the pre-AI owned World and younger people aren't gonna have that So I think it's going to get pretty hairy Okay, so you're a dad? I'm a dad Are your kids better off because Greg Carlwood has done higher side chats? Before you answer, let me answer for you. Your kids are better off. Are my kids better off because I've done skeptical? Very much of a mixed bag. My kids are not like four of them. They couldn't tell you right they don't know

1:08:50 But it is who I am on some fundamental levels. It's like, who I am in terms of your connection to the greater, to the more-ness has been fundamentally changed by the information that I've gleaned on this show. You are identical in that respect. My perspective with regard to how you need to protect yourself from cults be at Christianity, Judaism any other cult that comes along, well there's millions of them. That is something to worry about and my understanding of that and my ability to navigate that will... it gets to my kids whether they want it or not! Same with your kids

1:09:34 Was I afforded that? You know, look at our parents or grandparents. How many of them were caught in the cycle of the Christian cult and could not see beyond that and followed a set of rules—or the Jewish cult or whatever cult—and just follow the set of rules relatively blindly and could never even imagine anything beyond it. Or they followed the state! God is on our side go get a gun and go fight you know, are our kids fucked? No I don't think our kids are fucked. I think our kids are empowered and i think because there is this connection to the divine that extends beyond our generation they're ultimately going to be okay because that's the way it is everyone's okay so everything i say everybody gets a standing ovation go look at the end of e-research at the end of the day as hard as it is to believe

1:10:20 Epstein gets a standing ovation i don't know why there's a level of forgiveness in the universe that I can contemplate but everybody gets a standing ovation. That's the data, that's my interpretation of the data Greg and that's what I pass along to my kids but are my kids better off? Are your kids better off yes no question. Hmm...I mean it really does come down to what do you think life is if life is just uh Theater essentially it's not exactly consequential then sure let the game be with the game is an. No we will be okay ultimately because we have another process beyond our death and so the life that we are living in a weather it's manipulated to the nth degree or whatever fashion kind of arbitrary cuz were just,

1:11:10 Living out characters in the big motion picture stage show. But what would be, and again I'll answer the question... What would be significant in that theater which I agree it's a good way to characterize it is truth. Truth to me seems to stand apart from evil in a way that is significant, the way that I understand extended consciousness. I was bashing on the Satanist. I don't understand what Satan...I have no idea! I'm not religious in any way so I don't know what Satan means or I throw around you know transhuman to Lucifer and all that. I don't know what any of that means. I just know there's this extended consciousness and I am very open to the idea that there

1:11:53 a goodness and I think that goodness is aligned with truth in a way that is undeniable, in a way that shines through. In your work and hopefully my work and that that is the beacon just find your own truth be true to yourself be true other people and then enjoy the theater yeah cheers for that I think that's as good of places any two land on this thing Before i actually let you go, we do the dance at the end here about promotions. What do you want people to know? Obviously listen to The Skeptico Podcast get the book what else? Get the damn book! So I'll tell you what last time was on if you want the book and you don't want to buy the book you have to buy the book

1:12:37 Go to my sub stack or send me an email, whatever. And tell me you want a copy of the book and I'll send you copy the book e-copy as the only way i can do it. I'll send you copy of the book for free no strings attached You will be in the sub stack but you wanna be in the sub stack anyway so if you want go ahead So go to the sub stack and give them exactly the instructions The easier probably is sending me an email which is Alex at Skeptico.com Or you can find on their website Just reach out to me in any way and tell me you want a copy of the book. You know, last time we did this We got, I think 400 people. Which i think is great! But we will not get 10 000 people so...I'm not worried if I get 400 people great. I'll go through 400 emails and send out 400 books it's no problem. I'll get an assistant to do it. Get a fiverr to do it. Yeah exactly well you are the man. I thought this was a lot of fun and uh I always appreciate it. It's good to reconnect with ya and we're not gonna be having lunch anytime soon I guess but

1:13:38 I still value those times we had and you're one of the good ones, man. Take care. Thanks buddy. It's good to know I don't have to sit through one of those ciders or whatever it is you drink there at viewpoint. I don't know that guy could do that again. Guilty. All right everybody my friend in yours Captain Alex of the SS Skeptico One of the few people on the podcast game who just does it for the love of it He doesn't do ads, he doesn't seek memberships. He just likes to advance ideas about consciousness and to a degree conspiratorial perspectives I think he also does it to challenge the academics and put up some of the best of the best who are actually on the right tracks Have you ever heard his podcast with Jason Louv? Yikes! Probably my favorite on-air dissent into argument i've ever heard And Alex was totally right on that one

1:14:35 So he does this because he enjoys it and I see why after he sort of hung up his hat for a while, He came back motivated from the AI movement. It's the kind of thing he was working on two decades ago after all! But he has always been good to me viewpoint is where we would meetup for lunch And yes i would drink cider im not ashamed to be a cider guy Maybe I should be? Idk what the cultures saying on ciders these days I haven't gotten that memo And maybe we should have done a more public meetup there now that I think about it. But Alex did come to the San Diego one, I appreciate that he's a real G. But you guys are going to have to be the judge on this episode as i said in the beginning I like Alex but I'm not really excited by the AI topic personally. I like the dialogues he's been having with AI because his style really works for pushing and basically bullying these AI models past their protocols

1:15:32 the biases do show and that programming bias, that Silicon Valley misinformation disinformation is so dangerous mindset really does come through especially in his dialogues but I think there's a lot of hype and a lot of money pouring in it's gonna be a big disappointment similar to all the VR AR metaverse talk. There are a couple podcasts I listen to that are about Hollywood as a business And they seem to think that AI is really going to help them kick the can down the road of staying somewhat profitable. If you're already turning out generic material, sure, AI could probably write you another generic script You could probably use AI all along many parts of the process of creating a Hollywood film and cut out a lot of grunt work

1:16:27 But the deeper story there that some people are talking about is that the writer's strike and actor strikes, that provided a very convenient time for all the big corporations in Hollywood to have all the right meetings with Silicon Valley and decide who they needed and who they didn't. It's hard to really get a handle on this new jump in technology when you're juggling 1,000 other things and all these projects. But if you can put everything down the right people can have the right meetings and the whole strike can end with some big empty celebration for labor and the union by giving up a small little percent of barely anything in the short term

1:17:15 where what was really happening was the long-term strategizing and the real analysis as to how advanced this tech is, and where it can be used. And I just think that's interesting analysis because we know how these games are played and we know how these things are framed to the public. Usually there is something going on beneath the surface and some of it seems to be that kind of stuff which is relevant to this episode today but i will say the plus show in this one is very fun and different we actually got pi-8 involved and we tried to get some interesting info from it regarding the covid vaccine, death rates, UFOs so if you haven't engaged with these things at all it kind of is interesting to at least see where they are. The information's one thing but the voices are another thing and they are pretty good

1:18:05 It's funny because depending on how distracting they are, our editor sometimes takes out heavy breaths and the AI voice has breaths that make it sound more natural. And there is just something funny about a software adding in fake breaths and then a human using a software to remove breathes for a podcast... This is how time is spent these days but you will have to decide if Alex is onto something there or not I thought the thing about the actual voice was funny because it does kind of sound like what you'd expect Silicon Valley to use. That sort of diversity stuff, even for fake voices... It kind of sounded like T-Pain without the autotune actually but Alex picked that voice so i just looked bad on that one! I'm really comfortable with Alex though so we were both pretty stubborn about our perspective on this stuff

1:19:02 and Alex thinks I'm missing the boat big time. But look, i know there are uses for AI! I really like the AI art stuff. I have a friend who wanted to make a weed-friendly bay cruise in San Diego and he used AI to come up with a good pitch for it and it did a pretty good job And there are people out there who will save a lot of time in their 9-5s by using it There's actually a new voice enhancing AI tool that I'm really impressed with, actually. That will probably get used in this show from time to time But the editing of the ums and ahs and likes and you knows and long pauses... That kind of stuff is still gonna require a human touch! I've listened to shows where they just used AI To take out pauses And it sounds really awkward

1:19:56 So if you're comfortable with saving time to produce C++ work, it's very useful. Lots of people only do C++ work anyway so what's the difference? Obviously tech does get better but I don't see it getting good enough in any of my use cases for it to matter too much. I guess I could use it to summarize books but again It's not gonna find that one bizarre point that I want to ask a guest about in an interview. That stuff is kind of the secret sauce of THC, the stuff that requires my own personal discernment it can't be outsourced If i want a summary of a book I can read the intro or just the back of it! I will say though that even just using a typical search function can be an art form

1:20:48 phrasing things correctly, using the right words etc. We all know people who are just bad internet users and bad internet searchers and savvy people can get what they're looking for much faster and I think AI is similar just like the art generators how creative is the human input that's a huge factor But even with the Pizzagate coded language example, so yeah the machine admitted it appears to be coded language in the emails. That example is slightly more interesting than others because it IS a large-language model program but did that or would that move anyone's opinion? Or does it just confirm what we already know I get that there'll never be a real investigation or any real court case about such things

1:21:38 desperate enough to be excited about a concession from AI, I guess. As for the book title portion about it being divine well we didn't talk much about that because that's really a dominant conversation about AI will it become conscious all this sorts of stuff well...I've heard what Alex has to say on that and we are both in agreement that no it's not going to become conscious but it might actually cause some people to realize humans are special and consciousness is a big part of that. So in a roundabout way, it could be helpful in bringing materialists back to the spiritual just by more people making that comparison But really when it comes to this subject I try to stay open-minded because what do I know really?

1:22:27 The next step from these AI art generators are these video generators that are making really compelling video that looks pretty real just from similar prompts. So I think if someone has a creative idea of a story to tell, they could use these systems to make their pitch or get started but i don't know it's basically a glorified storyboard It's gonna work great for b-roll, for YouTube commentators. There are uses and I think it will disrupt the fiverr creative freelancer sort of space. I personally never really like to hurt someone's feelings so if i have art made for t-shirts or something and its 80% of what I had in my head I tend to just say okay fine that's good. I don't make them go through a lot of nauseating revisions

1:23:26 When I use the AI art stuff, it doesn't get it right the first time but I can just keep going and going and going until eventually I get something maybe closer to 90-95% what I had in my head. But yeah Alex knows a lot more about this stuff than me he should be the one to tell anyone if there's something interesting going on here but I just haven't seen an example that truly moved me yet But I am very open to a point in the timeline where an LLM does accidentally get access to something top secret or some dark web digital archive and we might actually learn some stuff from it in situations like that. It's not that the technology is bad, it's just that the guardrails on it are SO strict... ...that I don't see it as much more than a mainstream argument regurgitator And at worst

1:24:21 A digitized mass MKUltra weaponized program. But I also agree with Alex that so many of the fears about AI being destructive or corrosive to society, or used by the bad people... Well they're kind of ignoring this state of things now and throughout history what's AI really going to add that isn't already a mess? I brought up my fake document example and i think that has merit but we've always had to contend with fake documents and hoaxes. I just think there will be a lot more of them, and they'll be a lot more convincing." But in the second hour even when he asked the AI if it knew who I was and it says oh yes The Higher Side Chats is a great podcast that delves into a wide range of unconventional suppressed and esoteric topics well... That's just read right off my website

1:25:11 When the big machine came for the word conspiracy, I altered the THC description to replace conspiracy with unconventional and suppressed because they're less loaded terms. But that was a giveaway for me! The AI basically just did a Google search on the back end of my website and read the description It's a nice trick but i know what's going on here But in terms of the interview, I tried to make sure that we talked about the material that Alex had dialogued with the AIs about because it's a way of trying to make everyone happy. Even if you don't care about AI too much well, we still talked about conspiratorial topics within that framework

1:25:53 But that said, the free book offer is very generous. I hope some people take him up on that or at least check out some of his podcast episodes with the AI models he's the perfect person to take his show in this sort of direction and in higher side news the free plus episode for June was Peter Mark Adams from about five years ago talking about the Solibushka Tarachidek It is a true THC classic. Any free show listeners who are subscribed in a podcast app should see that on the list right before this one based on the download numbers these Free Plus episodes are very popular Who doesn't want something for free? But I hope that some people do convert to plus after realizing it's a much better experience and you could have heard this five years ago, but hey That's on some of you guys

1:26:43 This is just a new strategy for me making my case. As for the Plus People's review of the last episode with Chris Knowles, as if there's ever any doubt 4.8 about as good as it gets that episode really brought me back to being on a James Shelby Downard kick you're gonna hear that name referenced in a few of the next episodes but this one with Alex sort of completes a string of episodes with friends of the show who have new books out Recluse, Chris and Alex. I love these guys! I'm happy to do interviews with people i'm familiar with who write good stuff but the next string of interviews are with people that are much more obscure who you probably don't know or at least haven't heard recent interviews with and I think that should excite a lot of listeners out there who maybe didn't like that familiar trend

1:27:40 but I also gotta start saying that if you want to see some video clips from these episodes check my social media it's full of them. i hired a company to make the clips and they run the TikTok and pretty much the Instagram, and the YouTube shorts is pretty much all that's left of a once great YouTube channel! But alright let's do the meetup calendar thing and get on with our day huh? Okay, July 6th this weekend. New Buffalo Michigan at Rolling Embers. July 18th Coral Tree in LA. July 24th Oakshire Public House Eugene Oregon and also July 24th Corner Bakery Cafe in Pasadena California And that's it! It's looking a little bare with only four events on the calendar and two of them being in L.A

1:28:30 Maybe I overestimated people's desire for community with like-minded locals, or maybe summers are just busy. But if you want to go to one, go to highersidemeetups.com and RSVP or make an event near you! It's all free and open to everyone. That's the show get Alex's book check out what he is doing if your interested in AI and ill see ya next time I've done my part. Your move, transhumanistic tyrant Silicon Valley sorcerers and artificial arbiters of paratrooth. Your fucking move You can try your best but you won't succeed In the transhumanistic future we see We'll keep you wired so you can sleep Tech is a curve It's just one chip behind your face

1:29:32 And some parts below that we can't replace Progress leaves no time to waste Enlist the lights inside Forever connect and EI's To fix you Your computational hours grow While you run endless loops of cat video Offense will soar and cash will Increase your worth

1:30:42 Lights in sun dries to fix you. The people that first get it should have a massive advantage over people that don't have it yet Well, I mean its the kind of thing where your productivity would improve dramatically maybe by a factor of ten with it so You could definitely just take out a loan and do it money back real fast Yeah super smart When do you think you're gonna be? How long will you wait Our big dream

1:31:47 A new phase, a high race. Our big dream, a new phase. Stand by our big dream. New phase, a high, a big dream. New phase, stand by to fix you