Al Borealis | Breakaway Civilization, Plasmas Jubilee, & The Esoteric Backdoor

00:09 Planet's puppet masters almost surely have a poop There is clearly maybe something there beyond the real man And until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view I find them all the less we really do Where would without? Cause' we know they're lying to us Just don't know, to what degree Where wouldn't Without THC ISI chat show Greg Carwood

00:50 Let there be light, Hiresight Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and despite the vast spectrum of personality types personal experiences and trains of thought it's It's clear that our culture is designed for information consolidation, down to things that serve the system's engineers and prop up the preferred narratives of academic authorities and wealthy industrialists. And the people must endure years of proper conditioning to feel smart when they parrot back pre-approved perspectives and mock outside information But control of the world is not absolute, and people like today's guest Al Borealis have found a way to carve out a counterculture narrative space full of highly compelling researchers that come with the same level of professionalism as anyone else but present a wide range of unadvertised information. The system strongly suggests we stay away from he's interviewed many of the greats in many multi-part multi hour presentations through his long running platform forum borealis

01:49 And he is a true OG in an outcrowded space. And it's a pleasure to have him here, the counter narrative highlighter rabbit hole resident and para political podcaster from the mythic North Al welcome to THC Thank you Greg what a milestone Ah not really but it is a pleasure for me I think we've circled around each other for many years but never really crossed paths like this I've listened to plenty of your interviews over the years But I really don't have a great sense of when you started, and i know you have a members forum as part of your website but i was under the impression in the beginning that Forum Borealis was one of the OG forums similar to Godlike Productions back when it was all Project Camelot and Red Ice Radio. Was that ever true or were you doing the podcast interviews right from the beginning? When was the beginning? Right let me first say that

02:44 I never listened to podcasts, I have to admit. I listen sporadically to our mutual buddy Alex's Skeptiko because they were popular. This was back when you remember the skeptic wave? I was on barricades fighting those guys and so… When I started very early listeners mentioned THC. I thought of a talking about pot, but And you have to try it. You have to try it, check it." I mean... and they were comparing my show to yours. Oh! Okay? And you just said that we have a lot of mutual guests but I want to make sure that's by accident or by nature right so it's probably true but it's because without knowing

03:37 I mean, we're very different in style and everything. But it's true that we have a lot of overlapping so it's not strange then that we have circled as you say but I guess... It didn't start out early as you assumed there for real. It was back in 15. So it was just before they started closing the door for meritocracy at YouTube right? You got in that door before me So, you got your fair share of earned popularity. I went from zero to 30,000 at YouTube in a matter of a year. Then they closed the door right behind me on the last one who got there and then it took me the next decade to double that.

04:24 But i haven't done anything at youtube in two years, i started a new tube and then i went from there to podcast. Because i knew that was on sense of space and you it was possible to do something there and so i got much better numbers they're pretty quickly actually but i guess u did opposite didn't you start as a traditional podcast when venue transition to YouTube or? Well, I started as a traditional podcast that also just put it up on YouTube and I ended up... From day one. Well, pretty close yeah, I would say so because in the beginning the podcasting thing, the infrastructure wasn't even really there. So uploading an audio file with a picture to YouTube was pretty easy and that's where a lot of the eyes were but now I have a YouTube

05:14 of a hundred thousand subscribers and I can't even get 5,000 views on a video. And I pretty much stopped posting there too. I post clips of the members part of the interview on YouTube and that's what I would think most of my listeners of The Free Show would be attracted to let me hear 10-15 minutes of that free extra hour but no it just doesn't work out that way and you learn that The algorithm really does dictate so much behavior, even people who listen to shows like ours which I consider counterculture people who are used to having to put a little extra effort into getting the good stuff they want. Yet the data doesn't lie! The numbers don't lie if the algorithm doesn't like you

06:02 doesn't matter how many people know about you it doesn't get served up and you definitely move to the back of the bus. It's okay luckily i was never dependent on youtube money I never got money from youtube but was just a place to build an audience, add now its basically nothing and i don't wanna be one those people bitching about well shadow band in this and that like what you gotta just do your thing but The evidence is right there. 100,000 subscribers and I can't even get 5,000 to check something out? That to me is kind of significant but really it's just a small part of what I do." It's super significant because I have half of that and I get 6,000 and I'm bitching about that! Okay?! You know they have upgraded...I learned this from Jimmy Dore because he has insiders at YouTube if you're big enough you'll get that

06:56 They have graded a naughty list, right? I thought that was at the bottom of that. The only level below that is that you get kicked out. So I know I'm pretty low down but I think maybe you're even lower level than me. Maybe I'm at second lowest level." Well, I've had two strikes many times but then the two strikes tend to fall off before our third strike comes up But when they're pulling strikes from your archive, there's really nothing you can do. If they're pulling strikes from a five-year old show it's like okay well I haven't even done anything new controversial so i can't even play by the rules you're setting and it was legal when you did it yeah

07:34 It's like saying hey you were a bad guy in your previous incarnation gonna put you in jail yes but i just don't like to elevate youtube as super important what i do even though it could be and it is for a lot of newer people starting and you know i've definitely face the wrath i just don't like to give it all that much. attention because podcasting is the bread and butter it's a direct relationship as long as you keep your website up people can subscribe, that's fine but it was really funny that i thought when i was first hearing the term for more Alice that it was a forum. And you're here in the terms of cnc anything people just want to smoke weed we got branding problem buddy we don't know how to position ourselves

08:17 Right, right. Well after Alex made me aware of you... I mean, I was made aware but after he educated me better, I started to listen. I started with the shows you did with him and then I checked other shows that were...I had an incentive to check because I knew the people, right? For example, you talked with all the podcasters that I know and some other guests Like Joseph Farrell, right? That I'm close with. Joseph Farrell! Hell yeah! So yes, I've done my fair share of THC-ing but I still don't have that much time to listen to podcasts so it's good you can be in that position to have that attitude. I would say the newcomers...I feel sorry for them because they think they can make it at YouTube but they can't. They are strangled even around like 5,000. Back when I started

09:13 The numbers you and me have it was ok but it wasn't impressive now people are impressed by my numbers and that's because they can get above ten thousand subscribers so when this all who you doing good, i don't feel like i'm angry at youtube. But you probably know this as well as me, but I've been predicting this since 16 and before they started the so-called adpocalypse. Before they started that, I'm on record saying corporate media is going to use YouTube as a retirement home and all us independent media are going to be quenched there. That's the plot. That was a conspiracy theory then

09:57 And it's exactly the way it's gone. I guess we shouldn't waste more time bitching about YouTube. I was just going to say the same thing, you know? Enough shop talk! You know the people are like hey you're wasting my time while I'm actively listening talking about how no one listens so yeah to get into the show itself i know you know a lot about a lot and i thought the best way to do this would be to talk about these series arrangements you've made digital content can be very churn and burn but you've done a good job organizing your interviews into topics that a person can go through chronologically to get a great sense of specific theme

10:34 Your first one is the timeline of the breakaway civilization and it contains a few. One off interviews but over 10 hours of Peter Lavenda talking about the Nazi occult as well as About 10 hours of Joseph Farrell, some Richard Dolan, Catherine Austin Fitz and of course Walter Bosley. All the right people I would say for establishing that such a breakaway group exists. Talk to us about your thoughts on what the shape and scope of a real breakaway civilization is? Where did it start? Is it bigger than just a Nazi continuation? And what sort of capabilities do you think it has these sorts of things

11:13 Yeah, can I just ask where you gleaned that list? Because I haven't updated those things in hundreds of years. Well, I know you haven't updated them on your website so I went looking around and they're on the YouTube to bring it right back! I'm so embarrassed even being on my website it sucks but the thing is I have much more episodes in those series, but I just haven't had time putting it in and saying these are the episodes of this series. Especially that one because that one has to be listened to chronologically. Because if you do that, it's like a timeline and when you have a timeline, you get a bird's perspective and then you start seeing patterns that you weren't aware of if you're just here or there right now. But some of those you mentioned

12:01 were some of the first ones in that series. I'm having another one in that series next week." So your question was? Essentially, where do you think that timeline starts – the breakaway civilization timeline? Well, as well as me we could go back to antiquity but there I have another series called Evidence for Antediluvian Civilization. So I just chose to start with industrial area, Tesla around that time for my series but if you're talking phenomenon even there we could start at the end of the 1800s as far as our current civilization goes and the potential branching out from there but there is always this

12:52 on an orchifactor, or whatever you want to call it. Yes we've talked many times in previous episodes about how the late 1800s seems to be like a real renaissance period where people are experimenting and health and alternative energy and all sorts of things and then there's a big clamp down right at the beginning of the 1900s the Rockefeller stuff they say hey This is the pre approved things we're gonna go oil only everything else all the other fuels put them away you know all the other machines but i'm a way to take the hindenburg down, we want absolute control over transportation energy and medicine and.

13:35 A lot of people i talk to now they're looking, they are scouring for books that were written back in this time because you'll read some amazing things about electrical sciences ether sciences and all the stuff but if we're talking about a group of people who have broken away from the rest of us and our technologically advanced. Do a degree that would seem almost alien Well, maybe that starts with the NIMSA and the Aero ships and the Walter Bosley stuff. Or does it go a little bit before that? Because to me it's like the Germans who are in America... That's kind of what Walter talks about at this time depth that we're discussing. It seems to be kind of when they started to get some things off the ground, pun intended, and probably not advertise to the rest of us what they were doing. What do you think?

14:27 It's interesting because right now as we speak, it started the 3rd of December. This insane UFO flap car sizes kind of drones... Are you talking about the drones over New Jersey or something else? Yeah but we don't know what it is. They just call it drones probably to create panic and because now we have drones so we have something to compare with if this was 200 years ago we would say angels are flying in the sky It's such an interesting timing too. So I'm mentioning that because many people think that the deep state pulling a last desperate card before, one of them crashed, there was helicopter chasing it so what I think here is that the most likely by far not the only

15:20 potential explanation, but most likely it's one segment of people here doing that. And then most of the government, the state, the public officials are not aware of this because let's circle back to the notion of a breakaway civilization in the beginning I imagined it like it would be if it was the ancients, right? It's people or have you seen Iron Sky those two movies. Iron Sky yes. Yeah so there we have people physically breaking away from Earth living on the moon living inside the Earth but the notion of a breakaway civilization is in its most extreme could be that level but is definitely

16:15 the following. There is a strata within our terrestrial civilization, a strata of people who have access to level of technology that makes us look like them. Now they don't necessarily go to Mars to work but whenever they wake up in the morning they wake up in protected high middle class or upper-class suburbia. Then they kiss their wife goodbye for the day after they drink their coffee, and then they go somewhere probably an underground facility. And from there who knows what ever happens? Maybe they do go to Mars but at least they are secluded in what they're engaging in there and

17:09 at the level compared to what the rest of us are exposed to. So it's a breakaway civilization in those terms, not necessarily in their private lives but in what they are controlling and accessing and playing with. And those guys may be behind those drones today more than ever now that the Trump administration takes over or extremely separated from the public. Remember The Powers That Be By the way, you said energy. You said in the 1800s they wanted control of energy, they wanted control of transport medicine but you forgot to fourth those three are correct and then the fourth is money or monetary control so now they can't leave any access to these things to the state because for them the state, the public is something they need to hijack to get control

18:09 Otherwise, it's an enemy to them because if they don't control it... There are different ways to control it. In America they control it via the corruption and blackmails of the politicians but if they can't control it as an enemy then they have to fight it. They learned that a hard way when their revolution started from the 1700s on up. So for them, it's much better to have these breaker-based civilization tools in private corporations, in multinational globalists oligarch owned corporations. And then of course deeper levels there just as if it used to be deeper levels within the normal state. There's deeper levels within there and that's the way they have to do it because the corporations are running the state anyway and now that things tend to spill out

19:07 And there is a renegade cowboy administration coming in, loose cannons. More than ever they need to protect these things from because they don't trust Trump. I'm not one of those who look at him as a savior but I certainly look at him as an obstacle He's not in on the plans and everything. So yeah, that's what I want to nuance it with. They're not sitting on Mars maybe they were there ever since the Tesla thing but definitely what I'm talking about now is true just look at the internet! They had internet long before we mortals got access to it right? It's always like that. It's been like that at least since

19:51 the Second World War, that they achieve something great technologically. Then they explore and try it out and then when they have reached a few more levels so that this becomes obsolete, dumbed down, then they downgrade it and throw it out to the masses. And we go, oh, have you seen the latest this or that? Oh AI! Oh my God, right? As if it's a new thing. Right. Just new to us. So in that series you have a Nick Cook interview, author of the great Hunt for Zero Point and in the description you obviously describe what the interview is about. And then you say, plus learn about Dr Jacques Vallée's shocking proof that UFO close encounters are all staged. Staged in all caps! That's interesting I've heard him say that there's a pattern then he used the term schedule of reinforcement as if they want us to believe... They want a certain amount of people to believe so

20:52 make sure they pop in every so often to capture the minds of enough people. That sounds kind of adjacent to staged, but staged is a strong term are you saying that you really think or based on your interpretation of Jacques Vallée it seems like all close encounters are staged? Does staged mean human derived what do you mean by that I was quoting him at the end of the show. Actually, a colleague of that chap I interviewed wanted him on because he wrote a book about UFOs and UAP's

21:30 And he criticized me, why are you saying that? First of all, you guys didn't even discuss this. Where did you take this from?" Okay I said, you didn't listen to my afterword. Hilarious! Yeah, I tend to pontificate at the end of certain shows. Guilty myself. Right and what I did there was that I read...I could pull it out now and read it a quote from his book Messengers Of Deception I think And this is his words, not my interpretation. And it's not even that he opinionates what he does is that he analyzed... This is brilliant research! Even back then when we knew so much less, he was innovative in the way he approached things. So he did a statistical analysis because he has always been a vanguard in terms of using computers for these things

22:20 He analyzed it, he found out... Look I'm just now going to pull it out of my Noble behind. So this isn't a quote because I can remember that except but anyone can run over is what's the do you remember what the show was called? It's your interview with Nick Cook so they could probably just look that up. It's the first in The Breakaway Civilization series or the last depending on how the playlist is ordered right But I just never knew Valet used the word staged. I mean, I've read that book too. It must have been something I just forgot. I forget more than I remember, I can tell you that THC and all. This sounds eerily familiar but no... So to try to render a reinterpretation of what he said, he said that if we are to assume that these are

23:05 real occurrences, natural occurrences. Oh it's an accident! Oh I just happened to crash here? Or I just happen to be caught off guard a human is coming while we're repairing the ship or I would just happened to land here to check some cows and some plants and oh-oh we were observed now if these things are naturally said according to these numbers and he gives out the math and everything and its actually his underestimating especially now with the intensity increasing. Then he spreads it randomly, there should be a UFO encounter like every 10 minutes everywhere

23:46 So, these things are not naturally occurring. So when he says they're staged, he means they are arranged. He means it's like a dog and pony show going on. It's a deliberate thing pretending to be we just crashed here. You understand? That's what is getting at it. He's not saying that they are fake. He's not saying that... Well do you understand what he means? Yeah. Arranged is a great term. Arranged as a little less aggressive But yeah, I do know what you're saying. We've both heard many accounts and so often it is i was walking in the woods and then I look to my right and saw some little beans coming out of a craft picking flowers or doing something looked like they were doing their research just like you say and then they're like oh surprise you caught me but I don't understand the logic of such a thing Jacques Vallée has talked about the projector

24:41 and the projection that the thing is not the thing, that you're being shown something that is manufactured by something else. Well what is that something else? And what is the reasoning behind such a display?" I think we could get some help from Jung here although he actually touches even UFO's and even in this relation but this isn't why... He was studying the human mind So what I'm talking about now is bigger than UFO But he says that reality is reality, and like Kant established we can never access reality directly. Kant says that everything we perceive goes through the thing in me which is my consciousness, my filters, my associations, my knowledge, my experience also my connection to the subconscious all these things

25:40 Look behind me there, you see a purple kind of wave vibrating? I do. Yeah. Now, I said purple and you immediately knew what it meant but you have no way of knowing if that green you see now and that purple... What if that's switched in my perception? It's just that I'm trained to call this one this and this one that right? And that's the simple way to put it. Now what if When we filter the vibrations that are reality, everything is just an energy ocean of vibration and these vibrations are structured in different ways. For example we call some of these structurings, we call them Hertz amplitude curve form etc., you can also talk geometrical terminology actually how everything is math at the end of the day it's numbers but the point here is Jung says the thing in itself

26:36 And the thing in me are two different things. So everything I perceive is aspects of the thing in me, it's a filter. It's like, I see you now Greg and I see you through my subjective filtering system And it's not just the color, everything is dependent on my consciousness. If you put a knife in my head and I survive that, I may have a distorted different view of what… When you're a baby your apparatus is working 100% similar to now – there's nothing wrong with it! It's just that you aren't trained yet

27:16 to start sorting these overwhelming oceans of vibrations bombarding you. So for you, it's like a kaleidoscope or it's probably a trip right? It's like a Jimi Hendrix kind of thing and oh, we have to put up bright glimmering things that it can recognize. It starts recognizing the mother first and I think even the voice and the smell before they shape. Gradually, the baby is starting to make what we call sense – maybe it's starting to limit what its perceiving right? But gradually, it starts recognizing these patterns, these geometrical shapes

27:53 and it starts putting names to it. This is Adam and Eve in paradise, right? They're naming things they are distinguishing things –it's the human evolution–and before you know their consciousnesses now trapped into these squares that we're putting everything in. Now Jung says the archetypes are the thing in itself. And we are not equipped, because how can a small fragment – let's say a bacteria within my body – conceive the entire universe it lives in which is my body? It can't! Except actually in Esoterica we have a backdoor remind me of that one so we table it because I want to get to the point here... So

28:36 What he says is that the archetype is so overwhelming, it's like looking into the face of God as the Muslims who say this. And we can't and that's why we call it a UAP now or Virgin Mary or an angel in Norway. In the myths we have here, my grandfather saw that and he was a goddamn atheist They've also discovered that it was just like a UFO thing, only they were appearing to him with these Nisseleua, Nisse caps. Like the frigging caps? Like the gnome cap are you saying? The frigging cap. Santa Claus have you seen his cap? Right. A lot of times people have talked about that as like the gnomes' cap or like a dunce cap look. Yeah, exactly. So this is a perception issue

29:32 And that's very related to... So, what Balea says is that especially if you have no knowledge and association and you can't even handle it. That's another thing there's so much in reality people can't handle those who listen into your show and my show they are getting a kick out of getting their paradigm challenged but you know that still even though we live in this day and age which is very different from where we started out It's still a minority And most people get freaked out. They're not seeking truth, they get freaked out. It's like going to a Jehovah's Witness or a Scientologist and trying to convince them of the opposite right? So something is playing with our perceptive mechanisms... No not necessarily it's just being it and we can't

30:23 We're like the baby, I can't make sense of what I'm confronted with. So it reverts to the closest thing. So if I'm growing up now in this mechanical technological age, I'll immediately think of it as a UFO because that's what I've been brainwashed since I was little." This is his point. So I've heard obviously this explanation before and I think it has merit but The issue is if we're going to use that example of being in a field, seeing some little beans come out of his ship and with some doohickeys start taking measurements and then getting back on the craft. That is common or seeing a flashlight and now you're on a craft and the bean is showing you a star map of the galaxy and trying to point things out to you. Teaching also seems to be kind of aspect of this information downloads and all that

31:15 When you're saying that we're confronted with a thing and then it's so bizarre that our mind, our consciousness tries to go through our Rolodex and find the closest thing. How could that be the closest thing? You know what are we actually looking at where our mind says oh i don't know how to process that so im gonna show you little green men, picking flowers and taking them back to their craft. That's not common you would think it would be like oh i thought i saw deer in a meadow it looks like dear why is our brain clicking over too another very bizarre thing if we're seeing something so bizarre we can process it the thing that its replacing with this equally bizarre

31:57 This is a very good point you're raising, but I see that point and I raise you with this. And I have to say first of all folks, I'm not rejecting out-of-hand that there is such a thing as extraterrestrials in the sense of organic beings on another planet in our universe so I'm not rejecting that. But have you seen how from I think the first real sci-fi started around Tesla's time, but it took off of course in the 30s and the 40s and 50s. But we're anthropocentric so we anthropomorphize everything. Have you seen how most of these aliens are just like lizards? They all look alike. And insects they all look alike or these gnomes little green man or gray man, they all look alike. They have no individuality. They are just projections

32:55 Well, look at the human beings. We look like everything under their sun, right? Why are we so lucky?" But they did not luck out and they're allegedly more advanced than us! So no I would say that reverting to mythological... because that was my point but pointing to my grandfather's experience is that it's not that different from little grey man what he experienced now he wouldn't even Fathom that could be compared to UFOs. He grew up in the hard 30's, so to him it had nothing to do with some nature phenomenon and his mother was Christian and she didn't even see it because she had a Christian filter.

33:45 Well, what do you think the trigger is? No. You're asking the right question here because- Cooking with gas! I've done this before actually. Right. No but this is...I'm not even going to venture to answer this but this is a line of questioning we have to go through to get somewhere and you said something very important. You said that they are often in a teaching situation. Now again, I'm not saying there's not such a thing as a metallic spacecraft out there. If anything, I'm on record thinking that only most of them come from us." But in those cases – and I guess Joe Rogan has touched this – what we're talking about here is classical spiritual experiences

34:34 Rogan often either compares it to like enthogens, hallucinogen genes. You've been down this road a lot too, the spirit of the plant are teaching us but it could also be like shamanic It doesn't have to be connected to a substance you take. It's easy to reproduce these things, actually the reproduction is taking the substance so this is classical again Jung would say there's nothing new here why would they come all the way from Syria just to pick up some potato farmer and teach him some basic New Age stuff right? And then drop him off I mean come to me! I'll do it much cheaper much less trauma okay

35:15 And probably better wisdom too. So if I can toot my own horn, so no there's something else going on in many of these this is the problem we're looking at the sea and we're talking about what's moving in the sea as if it's one thing It could be a submarine, it could be our shark It could be anything, right? So this is the same for space. Speaking of that – I always mention this when we go to these discussions – have you seen… Of course, you must have seen the incredible outside of our atmosphere now or in the top of our atmosphere especially between here and the moon forget about these pathetic black projects that humans are behind. Have you seen the football stadium, Pac-Man's

36:04 pulsating and moving about there. It's like thousands of them, one of the best footages is the leak that came from the NASA TV back in the day it's called a tether incident. Oh yeah I've seen stuff like that, the stuff Trevor James Constable used to highlight these he'd call him plasmas. Plasmis is trendy now but he said it you know before I think I even started my show he was talking about organisms in space getting picked up and there's the Black Knight satellite, you know that's kind of folded into a more conventional like humanoids on a craft thing. But yeah I mean...I can't believe this is going like it's going because we barely scratched the surface in my notes here but i gotta bring it back to the esoteric backdoor that you mentioned. Yeah just want to say about those huge if its plasma they are football stadium big okay an organic is the thing plasma interesting because plasma

37:02 is like the Muslims talk about jinns, plasma creatures. Plasma is the highest level we have earth water air and fire. Plasma is directly it's fire directly manifested without a substance without a body without a vehicle made of anything in the lower frequencies which classically would be earth water or air so If these are plasma creatures, they are huge. And organic is one thing – let's say there're organic things out there that always look like an animal floating in space – but more interesting is organic frequencies because their very definition of matter is that energy forms structures that at least have to have atoms

38:01 I tend to regard all subatomic so-called particles, they're not particles at that point. They are waves but all subatomic structures are metaphysical or immaterial. So to have matter the energy has to combine two atoms and then two molecules and then two cells etc. There is possible that if something is of a very high frequency... The problem here is the birds we are using it's still energy But now this energy is at such a high frequency that it's going out of our perception range. That might be what happens with UAPs too, that you and me we go into construction, it starts vibrating via protected because of the bubble field or the energy field around and to everyone outside, we're going out of time in space, the energy is increasing and at some point we go out of the sound range

38:59 At some point, we go out of the visual range. Now to you and me we can drink coffee and be as physical as anything within this bubble but to those outside we now become pure energy and just disappear right? And at some point they have to go through this plasma level. There may be organic life who can do this! So now we're talking interdimensional life. There were reports a few years ago that they have seen organisms in higher frequencies, in plasma. But they stopped talking about it and of course now we're talking like this is what they always go to. It's like microbes at Mars right? It's not that big a deal if its just primitive organisms. That's what they are talking about is the energy field above what we can perceive so we can only see them through altered machinery-like

39:58 infrared, ultraviolet x-ray. And that's also how they are seeing these huge things in the outer atmosphere so there is definitely something going on outside of what we can perceive and I don't see a big difference between that and religious notions now the thing you asked me to go to i already forgot it was a backdoor to something You called it the esoteric back door? You told me to bring you back to it! I'm just doing my job here... You are and I am so impressed No, no I'm impressed because it's morning at your place. You just woke up didn't you? I got small kids so uh i'm up way earlier than a lot of other people but let me ask you this then... So we know that our brains can produce realistic visions. It happens every night when we dream sure there's the sleep trigger and we know that it can happen when we take certain compounds there is the psychedelic trigger

40:52 But then there is something else going on where when people are just walking around, living their life. Something triggers a mechanism now I know that we can produce these things but there seems to be some outside force that can manipulate that ability deep in our consciousness maybe it's something like Graham Hancock says just DMT that's produced in the brain just whoop! A DMT trip produced and you weren't ready for Sure i mean i can accept that but also im just really intrigued by the idea that there is a conscious outside entity. That when it wants to you can just make us switch into dream creation mode during waking life and have a see crazy bizarre forty in things yeah by the way i remember that as a back door but, you wanna take us in an esoteric direction so let's do that then

41:48 I don't think we can discount what most traditions, spiritual traditions agree about and that's that there is something unique to the human condition. meaning that we are unlike animals and unlike angels. Let's say there are forms of existence at every level, right? You have the mineral kingdom you have the vegetable kingdom you have an animal kingdom and you have a human kingdom And above that you have the Kingdom of the Gods Those are the five levels Now We as human beings consist of minerals we consists of vegetables we consists of animals in other words

42:28 rulers. We are already passing the domain of earth, water air and we live in the creative space of fire. The only difference between us and animals is that we can create animal can't there's something animal can think no of course they can think it's just very rudimentary but some animals have intelligence at the level of a seven-year-old dogs and cats at a level of three year old as Father of small children, you can appreciate that. Three-year old are super intelligent." And by the way what I'm saying now isn't down valuing of animals because if they are less worth than us just because they're not as smart then it means that retarded people are less worth and babies then we should kill babies if it's okay to kill animals it's okay to kill babies. I didn't know your eugenicists Al but I guess I can deal with that No so I'm saying that is not okay

43:25 Now, human beings you know if you're a stone let me quote Rumi God dwells in the stone breathes in the plant dreams and animal and awakens in man so if I am a stone I already mastered the level of minerals. My goal is to get to the next level, I'm looking up at trees and plants, oh my god you're such a bovineer! They can breathe and they can even move a little more than a stone can. Now a tree strives to become on the level of an animal. An animal strives to conquer our space fire, to become creative. And dogs and cats and pets can adopt that. They are getting

44:10 boost in their evolution by being so close to human beings. Now humans, we are not frozen at this level! We are striving to get to the fifth element. We are striving to conquer the realm of the gods. This is what the story of Enoch becoming Metatron –the first human being who goes all around…we start on top as the angels do then we go From God's crown, we go to the intermediate level where angels are… I'm not talking literally now folks. This is symbolism. So they are hovering there that's why they're depicted with their feet not touching the ground because they are not material then you come down to the darkest densest space where we are human beings and then our destiny is to

45:01 pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get back up again. This is a circle, right? So if the angels are here and we are down here… Yeah they're higher than us but they're innocent! They are inexperienced! They are more spiritual but they don't know the goddamn suffering that we are going through in Down In The Darkness so when we get up again here We're at their level again, only we are wiser because we have the entire evolutionary experience. And this is why God said that Enoch you are now my right-hand man! Sit here on the right side of My throne and that's why the two people who became angels…their name is not El like Mikael or Gabriel – their names are Metatron and Sandalforn. So

45:52 Lucifer gets jealous and revolts, how can these lowly human beings be at our level? And I'm used to being number one. We know the story from there right? Paradise lost! So what i'm saying is we have something look around around you. I see human beings operate at the level of animals, and I see human beings operate at the level of angels. We have the potential within us." And what they all agree about this tradition is that there's something in man that we are connected to the source all through the universe, all through the dimensions and vibration levels – it's like if this is a simulation then it's God who has put himself into this simulation

46:37 or those beings who put themselves into this simulation are at the level of those who created this simulation. But while in the simulation, we are forgetful and we have to start from scratch – it's the matrix thing right? So maybe it's true what they say about Gnostics that God was lonely and created all these things within itself… And now, you know That's why love is the big thing, because with love and splitting myself into multiple manifestations I forget that everything is one big thing. I'm not number one anymore – I'm multiplying number two, three, four… But when I meet a woman of course it's good in both

47:29 But both of us have forgot that, so we get that bliss of experiencing how it is to be reunioned again. Like what we will do when they die only now is two become one and we forget this darkness for a while. This game, this simulation must be the most interesting thing going on for creators such as that. This is why UFO's… some of these UFO beings just like the angels are below us And maybe that's why we demonize them, because they are jealous. Maybe that's why all these greats, these gnomes all look alike because they're just machine elves as Cliffey called them or wasn't really him it was this psychedelic guy. Terrence? Yeah. So know that you are

48:19 a conqueror and your destiny is to become so much more than what you are. And that's the human experience, that's the human task. I like it. Become more than what you are. Wow. Cheers to that great breakdown of reality. I know but you're a synthesizer as am I and We talked to some of the greats so you know we synthesize given the topic what the greats say and I'm right there with You on the way reality works like you basically described my spirituality, and that's based on observation And what seems to be true when you look at the periphery of? experiences that people have

48:56 Instead of ignoring them and say well that doesn't fit with christianity which is what i'm doing the real thing it's like no adjust your model to incorporate all this other stuff and say well this must be a thing this must be how works so. I like that but let's add another factor and that is magic. I know you've done a lot of interviews with Peter Lavenda, Gordon White and at least one with John Michael Greer there are these people that say yeah in your destiny in your human experience You can alter it. You can actually take the reins of it in ways that society says you can't, and you can summon little things to help you along or as Gordon says magic is a luck multiplier and you can basically nudge yourself towards the outcomes that you want by doing somewhat bizarre unrelated things seemingly unrelated things

49:53 but maybe they're all mechanisms to rewire your own consciousness, to get you to believe that you can make those changes that actually will have an effect and you're not just a victim or random speck in a meaningless random universe. What do you think about magic? I don't know how much you might've engaged with it yourself but it seems like based on your interviewee history that you would think there's some merit to the mechanisms there and this huge body of material that suggests that you can have a bigger influence over reality than you think he can. Oh, damn it! First, you managed to get me to alienate all those segments of our listeners that are into aliens

50:43 Like, now I'm going to aliate all those into magic. Well that's my goal by the end here nobody will be listening and I'll beat you two to the punch! But that's the price of being honest right? Amen So i dabbled in magic when I was younger But I'm too lazy to be a magician, honestly. Agreed! Yeah but the biggest problem... just like Christians, I don't reject that paradigm at all in fact you know you can be a Christian magician even So, I respect every paradigm. If you go back to Jung it's…I can't force anyone to have my outlook on things! That's crazy they would have to come into my shoes then and it's the same with magic so what I'm saying now is not a dismissal of magic but there are certain just like I could tell you but that would be a waste of time because everybody knows it... I could tell you warnings about being Muslim, warnings about being Christian even warnings about being Buddhist,

51:44 hallucinogens. Well, people doubling in magic tend to get their ego grip too hard. It's just like if you're too rich or too wealthy the same will happen we are not meant to have extreme power and I would define myself as spiritual and esoteric but the only magic i would engage in today is theology because that's not me forcing horses to unravel and unfold according to my little will, because that's like a cancer. If one of my cells start... Wait a minute! I don't care what the brain is sending me over an order because the brain has that task of arranging things everybody has its lot right? I'm tired of this machinery thing i don't want to pull this lever anymore now i want to start doing what the brain does then i get cancer

52:47 I think that theology, folks by the way means divine magic from Theos. Okay? Good! So if it's God's will to put it classically you know however you define good... If that's what's going on then I'm all for it then I'm just a vessel of vehicle for that energy to unfold Then its like the Templar said and non-nobis not me but you so That's my caveat with magic is that lower magic is ego-enforcing, ego enhancing. It doesn't have to... I'm sure some people can manage to keep some kind of healthy humbleness in it but more often than not I see that that doesn't work and it's a blind path because you become very

53:45 crystallized, very frozen in the mental space and intellectual space just like the skeptics. And that's not the ticket to God! Emotions are love Now let me throw this out at you. So I agree with you, i'm too lazy to be a magician it's very complex You have to get your ritual timing down, you've gotta read the grimoires It's really academic for sure people who think there is nothing there actually there more than you realize and I can't engage with that its full time job but I also agree that alot of people who engage with do develop ego

54:28 issues and sometimes they bring a lot of trouble into their life but if we are all fractals of the godhead initially isn't engaging with magic. Just remembering a fraction of that reality and instead of thinking oh here i am plopped into a life with no control to go through the motions in this and that, just basically being remembering I am God and thus, I'm going to alter this experience that I crafted for myself a little bit to what I think I want in this lifetime. Very good point Greg! I want to say that...I didn't say like become a masochist and whatever happens to me happens right? In your daily life you channel your will. You try to do what's best for yourself and those around you

55:25 But just like the Christians pray, not just the Christians of course. That's a more humble way to do it because then it's God or cosmos or destiny or whatever karma if I'm allowed this and that can I achieve this and that? So it natural for people to try to reach out then even find shortcuts. I'm not condemning that at all. And I guess if I was suffering more, I would probably be desperate enough to go through magic more right? I agree with that too. If you have okay karma, you kind of don't need it that much. Just be a good person and try to be the best you can for yourself and others tend to fall into place. By the way what's so wrong with a little suffering and some challenges? That's how we grow right? And there are other tricks we can have up our sleeve too. We do not have to go through magic because the problem with it is that

56:23 If it was just like, okay I'm a student. I have to write my thesis and deliver it and then hopefully get the good grade that's harmless but in lower magic you tend to collide with other wills is your will and his other wills It's the golden rule right? And you tend to step over others shoes let say we are vying for our position Yumi and Alex, and Graham from Gramerica. There's a rumor Joe Rogan is going to invite one of us on his show he doesn't know who... One of us are sitting there praying oh god another one ah whatever happens happens let's say fair right? A third one manipulates uh let's contact this guy because he knows Joe Rogan that guy! And the fourth he does magic

57:20 Okay? There are four different approaches to achieve one thing. Now, let's say that guy who does the magic thing gets that spot and no there is no more spots. So what he did, Oshii was that he manipulated the forces so that he could come in a position that hurt another because he didn't get it. This isn't actually a big deal but what if its about food? What if its about war? What if its about something serious and i'm not saying every time you do magic, you are going over someone else's boundaries but more often than not we're talking about nothing to get ahead. Right it's unintended consequences too even if you just want that apartment there's a million other people who maybe needed more than new so giving bad examples but

58:16 No, I get what you're saying. I do and i agree to a certain point but also think you know if you don't try to achieve some things you can always step back and be like well someone else is more deserving than me there's a lot of people out there then you become one of those breatharians that won't even eat a damn fruit because you don't want to do harm to the universe it gets ridiculous people can take things too ridiculous degrees It is about that time that we start wrapping this thing up and finding somewhere to land. What is next for you? Are you just going to keep chugging along, doing the podcast any future plans worth telling the good people about all that kind of stuff if it was up to me I would just continue low-key like I've been doing slowly growing having

59:07 No worries, man. Doing my thing." But our friend Alex is such a devil he's poking me and dragging me throwing into new challenges. He wants to utilize me in other venues than where I'm at and guess I'm taking the challenge so right now we're planning on AI show together By the way, aren't you living in California? I was. You're living in San Diego. Yeah for many years me and Alex have had lunch together several times great deal- You mentioned this. ... I've been to his house and now live in Florida though. So it's not that early. Okay. I was super impressed. I thought he was like seven in the morning your time.

59:51 i do what i gotta do you know jobs a job it could be seven am i've had people want to interview at all sorts of weird hours and you just what what do you do with australia how do you deal with my good buddy gordon white he's in australia we do it his earliest convenience which is usually. 9am his time which is about 5pm my time but it's a different day so i've got to book him on the 15th slash 16 of the month. It gets weird and was easier to do on the Pacific coast, but it's a job. We got to do the damn job." Everything is a job man for me it's our path in life right now. Yeah. It's a calling I definitely am just being facetious with that but I'm just saying that there are aspects of the work that are inconvenient and you just do it because

1:00:47 it got me free from a real job that was absolutely every moment inconvenient and not lucrative. Real job in the meaning suffering right? Yeah, you gotta put things in perspective you know I got control over my life as you do we get to do this awesome job interview awesome people but sometimes is an inconvenience time so be it This is why I started, because I was already talking with interesting people and I was figuring why not put a mic like the proverbial fly on the wall. Put the mic there and the listeners are the fly right? Because it's a waste of time me talking to this person and nobody else benefiting. I'm impressed my race of people quote unquote would be impressed too so folks i'm talking now psychological types okay

1:01:37 That's how I started. And then the fun thing about having these conversations became my job, but yeah, Norway mysteries... We had UFO flaps in the 30s that we said were the Germans before the Nazis took over even so up here and we have this seed vault and they have the Northern Lights and we have the hollow earth You remember the Norway spiral when Obama... Sure. But the real kicker is, and by the way we also have these myths, yeah, we have that first open white euphorism which started in 82

1:02:22 and it's been ongoing ever since. I'm talking exoteric, nothing esoteric. I'm talking university people studying UFOs since 1982 officially on the books. Check out my interview with the head guy you may want to have him on. It's called Hasdall Lights. They found so many things. Hasdall Light? Hasdallen Lights yeah. My interview with him is called Portals of God damn it, what's this called? Fancy poetic titles. I never remember them." I think Richard Dolan- What's the organization's name? That's Hastal... Hastal? But just go Google portal and forum Borealis is something about high strangeness blah, blah, blah if you want to have him on. And the reason they did this is that in 81, this remote place in Norway suddenly billions of UFOs

1:03:22 people freaked out, what the hell is going on here? And the media was laughing and smearing. And then eventually people started to figure out what's going on here. So they put up cameras and they try to monitor it and see it comes in periods. In periods we get these flaps and in periods little is happening but you can't deny UFOs long before your so-called disclosure in American media and Congress and all that It's all over the place. They can't say it's just plasma, like there's everything from metallic stuff to nature phenomenal stuff so it's kind of a portal that's why I call it The Show Portal maybe it's portal of high strangeness maybe that's the title. I like it! So you're doing an AI show with Alex, you're continuing Forum Borealis

1:04:17 Anything else you want to tell people about promotion-wise, why we do the dance? You can check out my show if your interest is great. I mean you already have a THC so you don't really need my show. Ah! I like the casual pitch. You're incepting people. I know what you're doing. The soft sell. Yes but that's what the masons do right? We don't want members it's a secret society. In reality they're desperate for members but they realize Like Groucho Marx says, I don't want to join someone who wants me. But the real truth of the matter is that I hate being on camera – by the way, I'm glad you stuck to calling me Al, I forgot to tell you to stick to calling me Al not my full name – and I hate attention. The only reason why I started coming out on my shell doing this

1:05:06 Actually, Gordon was the first to get me on... He wasn't the first to interview me but he was the first to publish it. He beat someone else to it and that was Alex. Hilarious! But the reason I do it is that I realized now that they are strangling our shows, the best way to grow is actually doing The Rounds Just like if I was selling a book, right? That is true. It's the best way to... So I'm doing it out of necessity. If it was up to me, I would just be our voice on a podcast and that's it. We're very much similar in that regard. Like I always try to let the guests be the star of the show. I don't really need to hear myself talk a whole lot. I stick to audio only although the video is recorded so we can put clips out on social media because again gotta grow got to use social media channels to put yourself out there

1:05:53 Because our shows are algorithmically challenge should we say people need intention to actually share our material with others and you need that word of mouth to actually work because the. Algorithms don't like us and that's okay, but things have changed since the days when we started this. It's been a decade plus for me and 2015 has been a decade for you as well." And the game has changed and we're just trying to keep our heads above water in rising tides right? Yeah especially now that... If Trump actually does what he said it would do namely

1:06:31 This thing that you can't have it both ways big tech either your sensor go ahead and sensor but then we can see you because then you are responsible for everything or you cant be sued, no more censorship you know what i mean scrag it means that you and me. We can't start publishing at YouTube again because it's going back to becoming a meritocracy. They can't have me, you didn't love me when I was there so now... The bitter lover hell knows no fury, I agree. Yes as a podcaster scorned.

1:07:09 Well, this is a real pleasure man. I definitely don't network like I should have long ago and i'm starting to more and it was really great to get together with you. You have a deep knowledge that you've retained a lot from your guests and just your own research and It was a serious pleasure. I'm sure people will agree Forum Borealis is the place to go And keep doing what you do and take care Thanks buddy thanks for having me on see around for sure Ho ho holy hell, Hiresight Chatters. It's been a long time coming! A legend in the space... The Great White Hope himself, Al Borealis

1:10:54 but it's probably just a little too early to say anything about anything so let's just not what a tease right well as for the last episode reigning with brad olsen very well liked 4.6 no complaints from me few complaints from anyone the comments are all very positive for the most part gotta love it I imagine people who liked that show would also like this one they're kind of similar, not so much in content but a little bit in vibe And then as we do with the meetup calendar, let's see what is happening. Well January 4th we have two one in London at The Monkey Puzzle and one in Brangingsville Pennsylvania at McCall Collective Tap House and I don't know what happened in the cosmic energy to make everybody think January 11th is a good day for a THC Meet Up but it's packed

1:11:47 We got Ola Brew in Hawaii. We got Raleigh Brewing Company in North Carolina, we got Hops on Tap in Portland Oregon and we got Porsche's Cafe in Columbus Ohio maybe the most we've ever had on a single day and then we move on to January 13th Lincoln's Beard brewery in Miami and January 22nd Corner Bakery Cafe in Pasadena there are a couple coming up in February but we'll leave it at that for now I love it though. Great to see the calendar being used a little bit more than usual Why not take a chance? Meet other THC fans, meet people who live close to you who maybe you can network with for various things Hiresidemeetups.com to get more information on any of those events i mentioned or to make your own Well that is that! I'm sure you can hear it in my voice and not exactly 100%

1:12:42 And yet I am in better shape than everyone else in this household, sadly. But it is that time! New Year's is right around the corner another opportunity to enjoy what we have. I feel as fortunate as ever and I'm gonna just keep trying to do my job well as we all should but that is the show Enjoy if you can bear it one more song to cap off the year I worked on this one way too long so I hope you don't hate it It's still Christmas time in my book It's not exactly the vibe I wanted, but the delivery is good in the right places so i will take it. I know that Al doesn't even like the term conspiracy but I had to do it! It's all in good fun we laugh so we don't cry big thanks to all i really appreciated getting to know him a good colleague to know i would say and i hope we can do it again But im out of here, I've done my part Your move civilization offshoots plasma encounter engineers and keepers are the big secrets

1:13:40 Your fucking moon. It's hard to hold them accountable Without knowing exactly who they are it's hard to get to the purest truth When it's buried down so far, it can be quite challenging To pull what's right from all the rest So tough to be trusted when everyone has a different But we have hope from Enter When the darkness seems overwhelming He comes bearing gifts of knowledge, support Conspiracy Sam controls the plasma's puppet string Is reality a trap? Euclarity pop up on his lap

1:15:27 Did a civilization break? We're asking, have you been naughty? Answer! Conspiracy Sans Ho ho holy moly Take time to process what you learn With Lex December He might chew To return He's a fun ollie Is he? He keeps the shit show song He's our main answer In the

1:17:16 They call him Conspiracy Sam