Aaron Murakami | Alternative Energy Invention Updates, The Multi Wave Oscillator, & Aether Physics

00:00 Master's almost surely have a plan there's until we've thoroughly tested every last close-tested view unless we really do where would be without cuz we know they're lying to us just don't go higher side chat show great carwood and company Let there be light! From the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And while we're all told a fairy tale about one-way industrial and scientific progress... ...anyone taking a more critical look at the industries of energy and medicine in particular quickly realizes that a much more accurate description is that decades ago robber barons and corporate monopolies circled their wagons around highly controllable fuel sources centralized delivery systems and patentable drugs

01:12 and launched a propaganda campaign against any and all alternatives that has been so effective that most people don't know there ever were alternatives, the brightest minds in the fields are essentially erased from history. And the mysterious deaths that plague the wide range of inventors of alternative and often superior technologies are suspiciously left uninvestigated." Well, the truth can be slowed but it can never really be stopped and in recent years a whole range of old patents forgotten names and suppressed inventions have bubbled back up to a new level of awareness. where curious and talented minds are trying to bring back some of the most hopeful work from the past, improve upon it and use their more open-minded understandings of natural systems to create totally new and promising technologies. At the forefront of all this is returning guest Aaron Murakami as he's the man behind E-Media Press & The Energy Science & Technology Conference

02:06 Both the best places I know for the latest information, presentations and live demonstrations anywhere when it comes to Tesla Tech, Ether Sciences, Alternative Energy and a wide range of things that could radically change reality as we know it. He has also authored and produced various ebooks and educational films including The Quantum Key, A Course in Mind Power, Ignition Secrets, Water Fuel Secrets, The Synchronicity Handbook Red Light Power, Hacking the Ether, Electro-Biohacking Cold Electricity High Voltage End Machine How to Build a Jet Engine, the Home Energy Savings Guide and others

02:42 He's been here several times before, once on his own to lay the groundwork in 2018. Two other times to bring us the living Tesla himself Eric Dollard and again in 2022 to present us with Jeremiah Faworta who is working hard to revive the Tesla turbine well with a wide range of new stuff to talk about I'm happy to be doing it again The Ether Physics Educator, Teslatech Teacher and Suppressed Science Resurrector Aaron welcome back Thanks so much, Greg. Appreciate you having me on the show. Yeah it is a pleasure I do love keeping tabs on this space and you're the best guy i know to get updates on these things from It's probably best to get updates on things the audience might remember from previous interviews and the big one there is Eric Dollard he's definitely captured the attention of a big part of this audience and has certainly brought

03:36 up a ton of things that I think about regularly. The intentional vulnerability of our centralized electrical grid, the time he made a galaxy, the time a little plasma beam of light emerged during an experiment, the seismic and audio amplifier, and a range of damn near magical things that really do make him a modern Tesla archetype. What's the latest from Eric and his work? What might people be interested to know? So Eric's lab, so this is EPD Laboratories Inc. That's his initials that stands for Eric Paul Dollard. EPD Laboratories Inc is a 501C3 nonprofit registered down in Nevada and so it's a non-profit organization of further electrical sciences and of course Eric Dollard who is considered to be more knowledgeable about the nature of electricity than any human being alive as you mentioned he has seen us the modern day Tesla

04:31 This organization is supported solely on donations and donations are tax deductible. People can learn more about his site and a lot of the updates to what we're doing down there on ericpdollard.com, and there's a donate link where people can donate by check or money orders or they can donate by PayPal so several times a year these donations help to provide the funding for kind of a group of our team members who get together and work on different projects. One of them, which was worked on with I believe Connor Fisher and Griffin Brock and Hakuses has been related to some of the earth transmission experiments so a lot of people who's followed Tesla's work is familiar generally with the idea that Tesla was sending electricity through the ground

05:21 in a certain way, there is a lot of misunderstandings about really what he was doing with these so-called magnifying transmitting towers in Colorado or in Wardenclyffe New York. But in any case it can be these type of methods known as longitudinal propagation versus transverse waves which go through the airwaves and are limited by the speed of light. These longitudinal transmission can be sent to the earth but they don't have the same type of characteristics. They can go from point A to point B in a way that seems to greatly exceed the so-called speed of light because technically there's no velocity, it's going through what is known as counter space in one certain model that Eric is developing from his point of view where its basically instantaneous and so one of the recent experiments I would say within the last nine months or so is for only about

06:19 probably less than 5 watts, they were able to transmit some radio transmissions through the earth at over a couple hundred miles. I mean five watts is like a strong flashlight and this was being broadcast from Tonopah Nevada it's about maybe two and half hours northwest of Las Vegas Tonopah is this interesting little town at the northwest corner, kind of where Area 51 is. There's a so-called secret base out there off the highway near this old Sandia Labs base where they developed the B2 bomber and from Tonopah, Earth transmissions had only a few watts was picked up

07:00 all the way into Death Valley. There's this little town called Keeler where one of our friends and associates who Eric's known for a long time, Steve McGreevy who is kind of famous for his little receivers that can pick up all these interesting earth sounds these little whistlers and clicks and pops from the Aurora Borealis and all these natural sounds that are around us but you can't hear it unless you have these type of receivers He lives, I believe down in Keeler. And so they were doing some experiments with the receiver down there and we're able to pick these signals up loud and clear being broadcast from Tonopah. That's pretty astounding! Some of the other experiments going on or some of the other work is that right near the lab in Tonopah there are some land behind it that we have a right-of-way too which is about maybe a mile and a half

07:52 That's a lot of land. And it goes right past this mountain where there are some seismographs that were considered obsolete and abandoned, I believe by the University in Las Vegas or University of Nevada or something like that and EPD Laboratories Inc is now the ones who have had these seismographs in this mine—there are three of them—this is for measuring the actual earth vibrations in three different axes X Y & Z and then these lines go right past that all the way up this hill to this little shack at the top of the hill where it is broadcasting like weather data and that kind of stuff. Well,

08:36 antenna structure is basically telephone poles with this old type of telephone wire and it's not spanning the entire one-and-a-half miles. It's spanning maybe three quarters of a mile right now, maybe close to a mile and it's a straight wire known as a beverage antenna I believe. I don't have the radio background like Eric in them but this type of antenna is intended not to receive transverse electromagnetic radio waves, like what is typically transmitted through the airwaves from a transmitter to a receiver. Those type of transmissions are subject to what's known as the inverse square law that means the strength

09:18 radio waves diminish by the square of the distance. So it's like throwing a ball in the air, it goes a certain distance and will start having less and less energy until it hits the ground. Well radio wave through the airwaves is kind of the same way but this antennae is meant to pick up the electrostatic impulses from the earth and the environment around it and the earth is always emitting these little clicks and pops and stuff And these are not electromagnetic in nature, they're electrostatic. And these electrostatic type of impulses or signals emanating from the Earth are part of the data that is required to form kind of a complete picture in order to forecast when an earthquake is coming."

10:02 So this is an attempt to kind of replicate what Eric had down in Landers, California years ago which is right almost across the street from the famous Antegratron that dome looking building that has a lot of mythology and stuff behind it. But at Landers he had a full scale facility which was probably the most comprehensive most advanced radio signal and earth signal and so forth station in private hands outside of the military. This is all taken away from Eric and there was a bunch of drama and everything years ago with all this, so what's going on near Tonopah by the lab is an effort to at least rebuild a part of this which is for the seismic forecasting system. So that antennae is to pick up above-and below ground earth signals then you look at the mechanical

10:57 vibrations from the seismographs in the mine, and then you can also monitor a certain centimeter flux emanating from the sun. And the more data you put together, you can see how they all kind of correspond together. They all kind of move together and when an earthquake 6.0 and above is about to hit they all reach kinda this crescendo and you know with practically 100% certainty that there will be an earthquake 6.0 and above with one station, you know that an earthquake is coming if you have a second station elsewhere doing the same thing then you can spatially locate not only that it's going to happen but where it's going to happen so we're just in the process of those lines got finished now there are some things that are needing to be done inside at the shack top of the hill

11:50 Then we need to have a little facility right outside the entrance of the mine where these signals are going to all these receivers and stuff. And then this is all gonna be broadcast online, there's gonna be free accounts and unpaid accounts but even before it gets to that point just with some of the basic signals that were receiving The goal is to short term possibly use these, there's like these wifi type radios. So it's all digital which Eric completely cannot stand anything digital you know it's the work of the devil and so it's a completely different thing from the analog world because

12:26 the analog world is real and all this electronic stuff is a fictitional representation of what's real. But in any case, if we can get these Wi-Fi broadcasters to receive these signals and broadcast them through Wi-Fi or something to the building then short term we can take those and make those available on the website And so right now that's what's in the works most of the work has done So Eric's estimate is that by the end of summer with Haka Sez and I think Connor Fisher who has been recently helping EPD Labs over the last year or so. He came to the last conference in 2023, and Griffin Brock who he's done a lot of presentations that are available on emediapress.com A lot of Tesla stuff his own simplified version of the electrodynamic seismic forecasting which this is all kind of under that umbrella

13:20 So we think that we can actually have these signals online in their basic form, yeah hopefully by the end of the summer. Interesting I do recall Eric talking about that and saying that not only might there be applications for much better detection of earthquakes but also transmitting signals as you say almost instantaneously through the ground faster than through the air and he also said there was some fidelity benefits to sounds if you were to maybe use, um. This technology for transmitting music even it sounds pretty amazing and he went pretty deep on it last time. It's good to know he's still working on that and getting closer to it. Let me jump over to Jeremiah for word us so we went deep on the Tesla turbine a few years ago 2022

14:10 And how a temperature differential can spin, uh, turbine that creates the energy. And he talked about this being able to scale up to a home or even a power plant and it can use any form of heat to create that difference. That's what so exciting about what he's working on geothermal gas diesel lawn clippings, weeds garbage. Anything even solar or heat from a home stove or fireplace anything that creates a heat differential and it sounded pretty incredible and I believe he felt at the time of that interview that he was only a year so from market with a commercial product totally viable well what's the latest on him? And what he's doing

14:59 He's actually at the shop as we speak right now, putting new bearings in the test turbine that was demonstrated at 2023 conference and we've come quite a ways since then. We're hammering on this pretty much nonstop so yeah with the heat differential that you're talking about it's interesting because with this size of turbine, the discs inside of the Tesla turbine and if anybody hasn't familiarized themselves with the Tesla turbine It's basically the most efficient turbine in the world. And the advantage is that you can actually utilize this turbine at a very small scale, in a way that to reach these kind of efficiencies, normally need a turbine that's like bigger than my house because as you scale it down there's all these different losses that the Tesla turbine doesn't have so its ideal for what's considered micro-turbine scale but micro turbines can be considered all the way up to 1 quarter megawatts, thats 250 thousand watts

16:00 but we're only talking about maybe one or two kilowatts, you know just on the small scale level because the average US home uses roughly about one kilowatt 24 hours a day. So that's 24 kilowatts in a day so if you have 10 100 watt incandescent light bulbs burning at any given time that represents the average load of a U.S home. It's not tens of thousands of watts that somebody needs to get off the grid and all this it's really not that much So with this turbine being small scale, the tests that have been done over the last year it's looking like the turbine efficiency itself is over 90%, possibly over 95% efficient which is completely mind blowing. So there's a distinction between the efficiencies see there's the efficiency of the turbine itself which is the efficiency and converting to steam into rotary motion you know then we have a generator on it produce electricity

17:00 Then of course if there's a generator on it, that's gonna chew down the efficiency of the turbine a little bit. But since the turbine is 90% efficient and the generator is 90% efficient then you're getting most of what that turbines able to produce but with a turbine that over 90% efficient The thing is okay even though the turbine has high efficiency What is the efficiency of the cycle that your running at? The cycle that we've been doing for the last few years throughout all this development, it's known as a cryophorous system which means you have a sealed system where you have a hot tank and the hot tank has a pipe network submerged in some hot oil.

17:45 where it's isolated from that hot oil, which can be heated by fire. You know a propane burner? It could be heated by solar evacuated tubes which are meant for you know heating hot water but you can have some type of heating oil going through there to heat it up or you have a tank reservoir with this hot fluid when the pipe network is sitting inside of that let's say it's at 350 degrees that's kind of our target temperature Well, the wood stove is easily operating at 500 to 600 degrees in a home like a wood burning insert or whatever. So 350 degrees is really not that much heat. That's 150-200 degrees cooler than what most wood stoves are going to be burning throughout the winter so that pipe network is really hot well as soon as a little valve opens and it lets a little bit of water go into that pipe network

18:40 it's hitting this pipe which is at 300 something degrees, which means it's aggressively going to steam. Increase in pressure and that pressure goes through and drives the turbine discs and then the steam goes out of the turbine and then it goes into a condenser. The condenser we're using is a big three core aluminum performance radiator for one of these big 7.2 liter Duramax engines so its basically a big performance racing radiator or whatever and then it condenses that Okay, let me ask you this. So for the layman so I just got a generator here because we had a terrible hurricane last year and I didn't want that to happen again when we lost power. I got two little kids just can't deal with it.

19:24 Got a generator, generac. You know the pretty standard one that anybody gets from Costco it's like the number one company so when they open that up I didn't know what it was going to look like inside. I have no generator experience but it looked like a car engine It just runs on propane and looks like a car engine under that hood. I don't know much about efficiency compared to what Jeremiah is working on, but help me out there. So conventional generator versus what he's doing you said 90% efficiency? How much efficiency does a generac have for example so the efficiency has gone up a little bit especially with these inverter type was known as inverter generators

20:11 But let's just take an old school one, something somebody you know one of these old gas generator sets. You put gasoline in it and it runs one of these little engines the engine is turning a generator and your putting out AC sine wave power and some of them have little converters to have little DC power. These are putting up hundreds of watts up to thousands of watts so those my guess is probably about maybe 14-15% efficient which is completely horrible And as compared to automobile engines, a lot of the cars on the road are probably about maybe 17% efficient. Some of the newer cars can be up to 30 but electric solar panels are 17% efficient and people think that that's sustainable.

20:55 Right so that really helps I think the layman understand the differences we're talking about here but you know you and i like i said, we've been doing interviews for quite a long time. I forgot what i said with the initial one was 2018 now this is a lot of time or talking about. Seven years. And I love the stuff you guys are working on, I've always wanted to go to a conference, it just didn't line up with my move and having kids and this and that now I'm on the East coast and you're still in the West coast but you said 2023 was the last conference? I'm curious why that was the last conference and just what do you think is the most exciting thing that has happened since we last talked a few years ago has been

21:40 Okay, so towards the end of 2023 I decided to take off and not do the 2024 conference because I wanted to focus on product development because there's a handful of products behind-the-scenes that I've been working on. And being that you know when I put on the conference most of the organizing and stuff by myself doing the work what normally takes a team of four or five people to put together a conference So I wanted to take Early 2024 found out my mom had a terminal illness and so it turned out to be. A good choice so like something was looking out for me because if I was organizing conference during helping my mom out all throughout 2024,

22:25 I wouldn't have done a good job with the conference. So, I had to be there with my mom. I pretty much took off the entire 2024 and I was hardly at the shop at all. I basically took off from my company almost the entire year. I just stopped in once in a blue moon just to make sure Valeria that's Jeremiah's wife she's my main employee at the shop and she builds and assembles the majority of the Likovsky multi-wave oscillator systems which we manufacture at the shop And I don't know how many people know this, but i've almost never taken any income from that. That just covers the overhead and the MWO sales those funds go to supporting the projects like the Tesla turbine that's where the funding comes from for all that so since I wasn't able to do a whole lot in 2024

23:15 getting towards the end of 2024, I'm thinking well...I don't foresee myself doing a conference in 2025. So my mom passed early 2024 and then I have been back at the shop and so in the last six to eight weeks it got more done than in the last six to eight months combined. So I am getting back on my feet, gettin' back onto these projects And my goal is to have a conference in 2026 because there's a few products different technologies that I want to release at that conference. And so some of the most promising things that I've seen since our last call, so one is a water purification technology this was presented on by Paul Babcock in 2023. I believe it might have been 2015 at one of our conferences that Paul Babcock he gave a presentation on what's known as electrocoagulation this is using electricity

24:13 through a type of electric water cell which imparts metallic ions into the water. These ions have a certain charge, so all the stuff in the water for one it'll kill pathogens, it'll bind up and neutralize any type of synthetic chemicals like glyphosate, pharmaceuticals, any kind of nasty chemical like that it will bind up and neutralize So it doesn't pull the toxins out of the water. Why it's called coagulation is because these charged little metallic ions, all the junk in the water will attach to them little by little by little these coagulants will get bigger and bigger and bigger this is called flocculent And then pretty soon it starts materializing from your eyes and looks like all these gel white gel looking clouds floating on the water and after you run it for a while

25:05 You turn it off and then all this stuff will just gel together, and these big clumps will just fall all the way to the bottom and will settle out. So... The thing about electrocoagulation is its been around for a hundred years so the technology's not brand new in of itself but its always taken a lot electricity, a lot maintenance It's never been very efficient. It's always been used at the commercial level, and they've never really found out how to effectively do it small scale." So at the first conference in 2012 Paul Babcock who passed last June or May or so last year that was another reason that some things got put on a back burner throughout the year because we were working simultaneously on several projects and then he died

25:55 But this electrocoagulation has never been practical for the average person to use. Well, in the 2012 conference which was the first conference Paul met a mutual friend of ours who I got to know later on who is an expert in electrocoagulation and had been doing it for years worked in oil cleanups cleaned fracking waters been around the world in oil fields from Syria to you name Well, Paul is known for the switching circuit to make this process way more efficient than anybody's ever seen it. The switching circuit was used on his motors which produced more mechanical work than the electrical that goes into it

26:34 Because when you have an electromagnetic coil, you put electricity into it. The electromagnetic coil can push or pull a magnet to do mechanical work but when the switch turns off that magnetic field collapses and you can use it over and over again so you only have to make up for the loss So that type of technology was incorporated into water circuit And took it to levels that our friend has never seen nor has anybody else for that application So Paul did a presentation on a very basic elementary version of the electrocoagulation, just showing how in an emergency situation if you had a bucket of water. You could put a couple metal plates in the water stainless steel plates run current through it and over a certain period of time

27:19 The stuff in there will coagulate, will drop out. So you got water without the impurities at the top which can be pumped out through like a little sediment filter or something and you could be drinking it. I'm not going to tell anybody to do that they need to do their research on this but that's the application of it so couple years ago Paul, our associate and friend and myself are meeting. And we're talking about how to turn this into a small scale unit. And so I come up with the principle that I don't really want to mention But what it does is for the first time in history, in a century, is that allows this technology to be used in a way where it can be small scale use very little electricity. And this opens the path for this technology to be applied by the average person. So simply what my principle is typically it's a lot of electricity being put into water

28:16 the water gets treated and then it goes into a settling pool, and then over time all this stuff settles out. But if you need a lot of electricity, you're talking thousands of watts what if somebody has a solar setup with battery backup? well that's gonna kill their battery bank and to have thousands of watts expendable at any given time to run this process is not practical. So my method is to take the water and circulate it through the cell over, and over, and over, and over with small amounts of electricity. If you use small amounts of electricity with the same water over, and over, and over effectively its the same as treating it with a lot of electricity in a short period of time. You just do a little bit of electricity over a longer period of time

28:57 And so that changed the game. So where we're at with it right now is, we've gone through multiple digital control panels to make this all automated you know? You click the button... This has gotta be something so ridiculously simple that you can just have it sitting on a kitchen counter push a button six hours later and you can press a dispense button and be drinking the water! That's how simple it needs to be There's one particular aspect of this. We've mastered everything except one little part that was mastered years ago by Paul already with the switching circuit he was using at his old company called Flyback Energy, that company was basically taken down by people who invested in it and saved in it last minute and that company was closed and Paul's patents were taken away from him by the people who saved the company

29:49 Essentially, the method that he was using to eliminate a certain problem dealing with the electrodes in this system always worked the best and eliminated that problem with the original circuit. Over the last several years, the circuit that was used was a variation that Paul was kind of using in order to circumvent that proprietary circuit from the old company But it didn't work that good. So I'm going back to a method which is currently under development right now and hopefully within about the next couple months, I am gonna have the prototype circuit put in my hands that is doing exactly what the original circuit does and if it eliminates this one particular problem that everybody's gonna run into...I'm not gonna spell it out but

30:37 I can see clearly why people have not been very successful because there's a problem that only Paul's circuit can fix that. And if I test it and it solves that particular issue, then we're going to be just a few months away from a commercially viable unit of the production ready prototype what is actually gonna look like when a customer buys it? So hopefully by the end of this summer I have that in my hands and that's going to be the first product that can go mainstream, that I can actually talk about. So I can talk about cleaning water but here is a thing about it let's look at how much electricity it takes if you have a countertop distiller that does one gallon at a time those things take 750 watts for about four hours so thats 3000 watt-hours to treat one gallon of water

31:29 Now, in the past I was always against drinking distilled water because oh it's gonna leach the minerals out of your body and all this kind of stuff. Yeah that's what they say about RO water Right so over time that's true but it will take our toxins It'll detoxify, it'll decalcify the body and all these kinds of things But it will eventually pull the minerals out So just take trace minerals Just take minerals and trace mineral supplement And it takes care of it Because all these scaling That happens with water when you're boiling water All those calcium and magnesium and stuff Well, people talk about how great the aquifer water here is in Spokane and we're sitting on one of the most incredible aquifers in the entire country. Well, the thing about it is those minerals are in rock form and they're not absorbable, they're not bioavailable to calcify the joints, to calcify arteries, to calcify the pineal gland and you name it

32:15 Animals over time traditionally drink fresh water, which is basically mineral free. You know when it's in lakes and whatever it'll pick up some minerals but the source of the water is naturally distilled water that's coming from rain so I can't argue with that they're getting their minerals out of the food that they eat okay? So one gallon of water with a distiller is 3,000 watt hours well with this water machine I can put in 135 parts per million water from the sink over 6 hours for only 360 watt-hours treating six gallons. That's 60 watt hours, 60 watt hours for a gallon. I can bring it to 80 to 90 parts per million. Eighty parts per million is considered softwater

33:02 Then what I do is, I take that 80 parts per million water. I put it through a little five micron sediment filter just to get any little floaties out of it and then I put that through a deionization cartridge and what's coming out of it is essentially lab grade water and I've only expended 60 watt hours versus 3,000 so its using only 2% of the electricity from a distiller but even though it's going through a sediment filter in a deionization cartridge the average family of four needs two gallons per day drinking and cooking. I calculated that to treat two gallons a day for little deionization cartridge, that's only got about maybe $8 worth of medium in it and the three dollar sediment cartridge two gallons a day will treat you can do it 365 days without replacing that cartridge which means the average family of four is only going to have maintenance at maybe twenty five dollars including one extra thing that needs to be replaced in a machine

34:00 So maybe $25 a year takes maybe half an hour and it only costs 60 watts per gallon to treat one gallon versus 3000 watts, which means if it takes 60 gallons or 60 watts per gallon that means you can have a 100-watt solar panel treating whatever water source you want to provide the average family with pure clean drinking water. This will treat rainwater You filter mud through cheesecloth, it'll treat mud. It can treat gray water in a RV. It can treat rainwater. You can scoop water out of a lake. Lake Coeur d'Alene is toxed out with heavy metals and stuff, most settled at the bottom but you're not gonna wanna drink that and half the day I could take six gallons water out there put it through my system and you could be drinking it in like eight hours. River water, it will kill cryptosporidium, it will kill amoebas and parasites whatever's in the water

34:57 And what's important about this, I'm looking at survival technologies. What are we going to do to self-sustain? Because if the you know what hits the fan no matter what is happening down the road See, my priority in a lot of this is what technologies can we utilize to survive and move forward with? What kind of technologies can be self-sustainable with. If we can get these to market and we can make some money great but that comes secondary to the fact that we just have to refine these down to basically rebuild after a big crash because I'm looking at that as very realistic scenario But if we can get these out to market and that doesn't happen, then great. But in both cases these technologies still have to be developed. That's why my focus on the Tesla turbine... If you're in a cabin burning wood, even if it's just 1000 watts, that's amazing! And it actually doesn't

35:51 really matter what the efficiency is. The efficiency on a Tesla turbine can be 1% efficient, and it doesn't matter and the reason is because you can't find one other technology on planet Earth right now that you can take the heat from a wood stove and produce enough electricity to charge a battery bank And this is not theoretical, we demoed it at the conference and we're way beyond that right now with what we're working on. So that's a practical technology and if its 1% efficient it doesn't matter because there's nothing else that lets you utilize that heat to make electricity. This water technology is very practical, it works its been demonstrated We are just trying to make it practical for the average homeowner but if not

36:28 and they want to do a little bit of extra maintenance. In the survival situation, if you got to spend an hour or week on maintenance it doesn't matter because your winding up with clean drinkable water from any water source so we're already there that's not a problem but to make it so that somebody doesn't have to anything for year that what the next step is and hopefully I have that resolved by the next few months So Tesla turbine coming into completion The water technology And then there's the next two in the mix. One is my plasma ignition, which I've been dying to put into production for many years since I invented it back in 2007-2008 and the other one is putting John Bodini's solar charge controllers and battery chargers back into production. Okay so let me write those down because

37:16 forget to revisit them, but I wanted to spend a little time on the multiwave oscillator. This is something that's available now and it's on the website and see that's what I think some people might say like, I understand donations are important. Donations help with the thing go. And there's just a lot of people out there wanting donations and people have to assess if they have a little extra money, like where should it go? This is a good application, I would say. But also if you can create viable products and bring them to market, this becomes a self-fulfilling recyclable profitable situation so i love to see you guys getting some things out there and the multiwave oscillator is available So when your conference first started the original name was the Bedini Lindemann Energy Conference both Peter Lindemann & John

38:07 Badini should be honored in any conversation about this stuff. And I understand that both those guys and Eric Dollard all worked on something called a multiwave oscillator or MWO originally developed by Georges Luhovsky, a Russian scientist who died in 1942 so we're going back a ways some say it was mysterious death I've read but With this device for people who are just listening it's a set of charged copper rings and you sit between them now I know that you and the guys mentioned working on this and replicating it improving upon it.

38:48 You make no claims whatsoever. It's just a device for research purposes, but apparently Lihovsky claimed that his multi-wave oscillator from 100 years ago could cure autoimmune diseases and cancer by exposing cells to a combination of radio frequencies sort of the opposite of a Rife device which would target tumors with frequency this restores the millivolts of the cell of the body. I read this on another website, this is all just context for people maybe you agree with this but this will be how people can maybe wrap their heads around it so

39:24 This website says, Diseased or weakened cells tend to vibrate out of sync with the rest of the body reducing electrical charge. A normal healthy cell has an electrical potential of approximately 70 millivolts cancer about 15 millivolts when the cell has millivolt electrical potential problems the cell starts to malfunction by strengthening the field of each cell separately all organs tissues and therefore the entire human body are strengthened. Nobel Prize winner Otto Warburg proved that the cell at birth has a potential between 70 and 90 millivolts with age its potential decreases, and for a 70 year old man it averages about 35 millivolts then the energy of the life force sinks

40:11 So is that a pretty good summary of what the claims used to be? Not your claims, but the original guy who made the things claims and how similar is this device. You know, This is kind of exciting stuff talk to us about this. Yeah so that's a pretty good overview of what Likovsky devices and what he claimed it can do among other things I do want to point out there is a new page on the website. So, the multi-wave oscillators that our company produces is on vril.io V R I L dot IO. Vril is an old term for like life force energy and there's a product link on there that if you mouse over they'll be little drop down and you can see the multi wave oscillator link some of the back story between Peter Lindeman and John Bedini who you mentioned

41:04 Over all these years with eMedia Press, we never had an About Us page and I just put one up a few days ago. So on emediapress.com that's where the downloadable book and videos there is over 200 of them There is now an About Us link in the main menu bar And if you click on that You can kind of see Where I was inspired Where this came from When I was working with Peter at the conference That gives kinda chronology and history That hasn't really been posted anywhere else So with the Likovsky multi-wave oscillator, My company manufactures these and has been for about the last seven years or so. And like you mentioned, there's absolutely no claims it's only sold as a research-only unit so you can study how George Likovsky was actually making his multiwave oscillators what kind of waveforms it puts out and there are lots of different experiments that you can do with it So Likovsky over the year nobody really knew what the Likovski circuit was

42:04 There's a patent that people know about with a single ring antenna system, but his production units had no resemblance basically to that patent diagram. That patent diagram just showed kind of a concept and had some claims in whatever, but he had these production units I think it was under the brand name Koisla or something like that, like C-O-Y LSA or something like that So over the years, there was somebody named Bob Beck who has been involved in a lot of different his own little Zapper type technologies and Bob Beck. He's the one way back who actually got the conversation about the Likovsky MWO going on at one time. Bob Beck funded Eric Dollard for some projects many years ago so Bob Beck was one of these characters who kind of had a wide network of people into all kinds of alternative energy, alternative healing technologies and you name it

42:58 And so this was maybe in the 80s or so, 80's to early 90s. Borderland Science Research Foundation who had Peter Lindemann and Eric Dollard and some others they had put out some books and videos about the Likovsky multi-wave oscillator giving their theory and ideas about it and they had different versions that were kind of working but there weren't really the original one. There were other companies that were coming out with different so called multi wave oscillators But they were all speculative devices because of the patent diagram and nobody actually knew what it was. I'm not going to name the names, but there's one in New Zealand and Netherlands that's always brought up to my attention. Neither one of them have any resemblance to Lukovsky's real circuit

43:44 Okay so here comes borderlands and over the years these different companies are manufacturing so-called mwo's but it wasn't until about maybe 13 years ago or so, is european engineers got connected with somebody who had access to some original created up units. They uncrated them, they reverse engineered them. Put out a report and so for the first time in decades and decades and decades it was the first time ever that anybody had actually known what Likovsky's circuit was. So the very first person to put it into commercial production was a friend of mine Zvonimir Rudomino in Croatia who is a brilliant engineer and he's one that built lot of these little scale model Tesla

44:30 demonstration units that are in the museums over in that part of the world. He helped me with a lot of stuff way back in the past. He got connected with these guys who came out with this reverse engineering report, put out a multi-wave oscillator that's absolutely brilliant it's pretty expensive but it's a museum piece but is built in the spirit of the old original unit I mean the pulse modulator is maybe about four feet high probably weighs about 300 pounds. I know because my friend in Seattle bought one brought it over because he couldn't get it to work luckily it was just a fuse that was blown out but pulling that out over the back of his van took two of us you know, it's a beautiful unit. He built it based on the specifications in that report and there are three main units one is called a BB1, a BB2 and a BB3 each one has different diameter, you know the largest ring is at a different diameter The coils and pulse cap network inside the pulse modulator is tuned for different frequency BV 2 is right in the middle And so his model was based on that So Zvonimir

45:28 who's known as Lighty, L-I-G-H-T-Y way back in the Energetic Forum one of my websites. He used to be a contributor back then that was his unit so that was the one and only and first commercially available multiwave oscillator based on the real design all the others are fake literally So then there was a guy in Michigan or Wisconsin who is making maybe 1 or 2 multiwave oscillators based on those plans This was a handful of years ago. He stopped maybe five or six years ago and retired, and then Peter Lindemann got ahold of one of those units because Lady in California had one donated to Peter. Peter studied it brought it out the Paul's shop Flyback Energy years ago so this is maybe 14-15 years ago or something? And Peter was experimenting with it using it and Peter got a copy that book I mean Paul got a copy of that reverse engineering report

46:21 built his own, had it at Flyback Energy, had it at his home. So he was experimenting with it and so for a period of about two years I observed this for about two years watching Peter's unit and Paul's unit multi-wave oscillator built exactly to spec of the real units and then I decided you know what? This is from what I'm witnessing I decided that these should be in production to make them more readily available and looking at the people that I know, you know Paul Babcock built a real one. Peter Lenneman goes back to Borderlands some of the genesis of educating public and bringing to people's awareness that MWO even exists even if the stuff that Borderlands was doing wasn't accurate as far what the real MWO was nevertheless just the genealogy of who I'm working with in stuff and then Eric Dollard not only the Borderland connection Eric Dollard was last legitimate

47:16 engineer who actually worked on the integrity since george van tassel who invented it. No george vantasal has his wild claims that basically it was like the aliens you gave me plans to it is supposed to be almost like a teleportation kind of building and a healing unit and all this. Well, part of the inspiration for the Integra Tron is actually from the MWL which a lot of people don't know. I did not know that! I didn't know about the Integra Tron. I've been by it. It seems like now it's just some new age meditation temple but yeah, the lore is crazy George Van Tassel, The ETs gave him the information

47:55 Howard Hughes used to go visit George Van Tassel. He saw value in what George Van Tassel was doing and apparently Eric Dollard worked on it before it was turned into this meditation place? I am really interested in the legacy there and how much of the rumors you think were true, Eric thinks there's something to the claims about the Integra Tron not necessarily whether it came from aliens or not maybe a dead, maybe it didn't. How are we to know but in any case you know, looking at these type of technologies and this longitudinal wave propagation where it's instantaneous propagation from point A to point B going through what is known as counter space. So there are these interesting properties to this extra-luminal transmission You know people talk about super luminal transmission Super luminal just means faster than the speed of light And that isn't a big deal to demonstrate faster than light propagation

48:50 It's this extra-luminal transmission which means outside of the whole constraints of this light speed limitation business, which is related to Einstein and some of this old physics stuff which seems to be more propaganda than a distraction from the real ether physics. Well, this extra-luminal transmission and this type of longitudinal propagation if you look at some of the work that's referenced as being the cosmic induction generator where you mentioned Eric created a galaxy, that's a reference to creating this rotating galaxy plasma form that materialized inside of a bulb that Eric was exposing to these high voltage high frequency fields between some Tesla-ish type coils. Way back the bulb exploded and when it lost the vacuum that plasma formation maintained

49:43 And that branched out of some experiments that were kind of inspired by his relationship with Philo Farnsworth, who was...Philo Farnsworth is the inventor of the television. Philo T. Farnsworth has a son and his wife who are living in California at this time that Eric Dollard got to know them—the family—the wife and and he lived with them in a tent in their backyard. Philo Farnsworth's son turned Eric on to some different mathematical books, and this is where Eric really went the direction of understanding the math because being basically homeless and broke eating out of garbage cans or whatever

50:23 said to Eric, if you can't build something then at least do the math and build things mathematically. So this is what kicked off Eric's path on knowing the mathematics going back to Steinmetz and Heaviside and all these pioneers of the electrical age. Well anyway with the cosmic induction generator Philo T Farnsworth inventor of the television is known as having created what's kind of generically referred to as the Farnsworth fuser where he created thousands of watts of self-sustaining fusion inside a tube, which is massively so called over unity. The amount of energy being produced inside there was exponentially greater than the electricity that was going into it. Well he was connected to some kind of defense company or whatever and eventually that all got smashed but nevertheless the inventor of television was involved in a fusion process and a tube

51:20 Right. I just want to jump in here because now we're really cooking with gas. I feel like we started a little technical cause this is a layman audience, but this audience might remember when I interviewed Paul Shatskin who wrote the biography of Philo Farnsworth and also one for T-Townes and Browne, but he got into all this and got into this fusion device as tabletop in a briefcase style fusion device at room temperature apparently so really crazy and I did not know even though I knew the history of Eric and this plasma galaxy in a bulb thing. I did not know that this was a bulb from Philo Farnsworth's son that was these bulbs were just around from his father's work, and that's just amazing! So

52:11 Obviously this fusion device it's rumored you mentioned like he's connected to defense contractors. Maybe it got destroyed or crushed, you know, suppressed do you think it was real? Do they get functioned the way I was described? Absolutely I mean, there's patents for it. Not that that means something actually worked but people can at least look at the school of thought of what was actually disclosed and there is enough history to show yeah this happened it was real they were working on it and the whole project was abandoned so the bulb Eric did wasn't actually one from Philo T Farnsworth son but the sun had a bulb in one night Eric and Philo Farnsworth

52:50 having a little conversation and they were trying to one up each other on who knew what, who did what and everything. And then so Philo brought out a tube this interesting looking tube and had this darkening in the glass or whatever he says What about this? and Eric proceeded to give details on, yeah something interesting happened in here and this. And kind of blew his mind so that stuck in Eric's mind and so later on Eric was doing his own plasma tube type of experiments and doing something known as what he called the cosmic induction generator. That name is inspired by one of Wilhelm Reich's books called Cosmic Superimposition

53:30 And so in a nutshell, it's basically there is these formative forces in the universe and how does this natural intelligence in the universe impart its creative framework into the physical world? So can these bulbs be utilized in a way with electricity to actually show some of these formative creative universal forces and manifest it front our eyes so we could see part of the creation process of what's going on in the universe. And so Eric had created all kinds of different, you know not just that one galaxy in a bulb but all kinds of different manifestations inside these tubes. So fast forward until maybe I don't know five years ago or whatever at my old shop we started to develop

54:17 system similar to what Eric was using to induce these patterns in these bulbs. And so I funded a project with the MWO sale money, so anybody who gets an MWO just know that lot of these projects that you see and that are basically most of it is open sourced. The how-to is put into this presentations and books and reports and stuff is that by purchasing an MWO and these other things that we're doing goes to furthering this research and you can actually get your hands on in seeing what we're actually doing. And so I funded what's known as this

54:54 audio modulator bay and an RF bay. So there's some presentations where we show these big Air Force 19 inch rack units, where it has all these multiple components in these racks that gray. It's like something you'd walk onto a Navy ship and you'd see this big setup with the amplifier and a signal generator and all these old school units. Couple of the units we bought from eBay, all the rest were all basically built from scratch and engineered out of Eric's head And one of the applications of this is it can produce audio at a very high fidelity, virtually lossless and at a very lethal voltage. So the output of this we put into coils which are opposing each other

55:38 One of the demonstrations related to this is known as the flame speaker. So we can produce a electrical flame coming off of one of the rings around one of these so-called Tesla coils, and out of this flame is playing audio which is at the highest fidelity you can possibly imagine I mean it sounds like its right there in the room Now some people are doing these goofy high voltage tesla coil discharges where it's, you know almost sounds like an 80s Mario Brothers game. Sure synthesizer kind of thing? Yeah and so that's like this pulse width modulator kind of stuff but we're actually doing full radio frequency modulation

56:19 with the audio and it's a completely different thing. There is no similarity to it really, and the audio was just out of this world you know? It's not good for like bass but its good for more higher pitch stuff if you had like single instrument like violin or flute it absolutely mind blowing hearing this music coming out of this flame which is coming right off one these coils they can do voice at the conference demo in 2023 We did high fidelity bird sounds. It's absolutely amazing and in the shop with these, you know 14 to 17 foot high ceilings where it actually has pretty good audio quality inside that shop where you're just hearing these birds sound is just so like holographic it's like in the room with you completely blows away regular speakers but any case with those same coils doing a little flame we can put the RF into these coils

57:14 and then we can take a plasma tube and put it between the coils, and then we start getting all these different interesting types of plasma phenomenon. What's interesting about it is that, okay so you can take a fluorescent tube and you can bring it near a high voltage source like a Tesla coil running and it'll illuminate the whole tube. You know you get the white light not a big deal that's because of high-voltage electrostatic field so called field physics can't even properly define what a field is but let's just say the high voltage field for simplicity is exciting all the gas molecules in the tube until lights up

57:50 Not a big deal. But what's interesting about this particular arrangement of coils is you can take this tube, you can bring it towards one coil that lights up the entire tube with the white light. You bring it to the other coil same thing but when you bring the tube and drop it right halfway in between both coils it develops a black spot where the light disappears. It's a completely black spot, Eric calls it a counter space node and that literally is a doorway into a different dimension and I could make a distinction because physics improperly uses dimensions right off the bat But this black spot that develops is very interesting because it's showing there's a cancellation of space right inside that node. And that black spot doesn't appear because you're too far in distance from one of the coils, you're halfway in between it! I mean, you can take this tube and bring it three or four feet away and it still illuminated so its not going dark because it's to far from the coils You are talking about a couple inches from each coil The rest of the tube is white but we got this little black spot

58:55 that shows up right in between it. And so, that's very interesting and what kind of properties does it have? Well what happens if you germinate seeds in that counter space node People report feeling good and having interesting results in there, but with the Lukowski multi-wave oscillator typically it's running in what's known as an unbalanced mode. And so it's kind of a lopsided kinda thing. And on the MWO page I have a couple videos talking about balanced versus the unbalanced mode if anybody wants to go into what that looks like. But all the devices that came out before the reverse engineering report were all based on a balanced mode

59:34 Well, the Lukovsky mode is unbalanced but Eric designed a oscillation transformer which allows you to run our MWO in a balanced mode in case you want to experiment with that neutral zone. You can't play the flame speaker and all that but you can get the little black spot in the tube in between the MWOs so it opens up experiments for people to maybe treat water, maybe treat seeds as they're germinating or whatever in the cosmic induction generator where we have these tubes, not only do we get that neutral zone like in a fluorescent tube. We can take plasma tubes with different kind of gases and we can actually get the gases to emit different colors that are not known to be associated with those gases. That's like Nobel Prize winning material because the belief system in physics is that if there was a certain gas

1:00:28 there is a certain color emission on that spectrum associated with that gas. They treat that as being such holy gospel, that they're gonna look out in the universe and they're gonna see different colors and they're gonna bet money on it so hard that they're going to tell you all these distances and what kind of materials and what kinds of elements are being associated with that light? And so if you can take a tube and put it between some coils and excited in a certain way where the colors actually change in front of your eyes. Maybe it's white, then it starts turning yellow and the yellow starts darkening and it changes shape. What does that tell you about the possibility that what we're looking at when we look into outer space at all these different colors is completely false? And their whole model falls apart because if we can show that we can change the color of a gas

1:01:25 the color that it's emitting, that calls into question every single thing built upon that idea and their whole structure of the universe based on that. have any other properties that change when it changes color to this unknown color or this color that's never usually associated with the gas? Do you then take measurements of the gas, are we talking transmutation or are there any other qualities of it that change other than its visible color. Possibly transmutation We can't say for sure now when making these glass tubes I have to admit that if there is potential for

1:02:07 anything in the actual glass material to emit, maybe that contributes to it. But the volume of light coming from maybe a little bit of moisture that might have been inside that glass or whatever because when these glass tubes are blown there's a suction pulled on that that so incredibly strong there's no way there's any gases in there So is there any particles from whatever kind of glass that it's made out of, that might be emitting when the tube is getting heated up to contribute to these light changes? All these are possibilities. But why isn't anybody else seeing this when they're exciting them in a similar manner under regular high voltage effects? It's just between these two. You know those little plasma tubes where it's got the little streamers you can buy at these little cheap ones for five bucks or run your hand on it? Yeah Spencer's GIFS

1:02:55 I worked at Spencer's back in the day. My mom worked at Spencer, she was a manager and- All right! A fellow mall worker. I like it. Yeah. Lava lamps posters and plasma balls, right? Very fitting for you. Very fitting. Right. So the plasma ball... Okay so they have a proprietary mix of what the gases are but certain gases will have little purple color and stuff So, for a conference demo I took one of those. A little portable one hooked up to the battery and it's showing purple streamers and stuff sitting right between these coils And it is giving the little purple streamer business just like you would expect. I disconnect the battery then we turn on radio frequency stuff in the coils Then the whole thing goes bluish white

1:03:36 like real bright white. So where did all the purple light go? Why is it exciting in a completely different color, I didn't change and swap these things out it's the same tube between there so these are interesting things that are happening that shouldn't be happening and we're the first ones to you know publicly show this kind of things but I mean there's gonna implications about this kinda stuff we haven't even thought of and were not done with his experiments those particular ones are just on hold but it is related to the MWO in a sense that Eric says the MWO is a cosmic induction generator. Because when you run it in the balanced mode, you can take the fluorescent tube put it in between and get the neutral spot and that neutral spot is going through what's known as counter space so propagation of what's happening between the MWO is not transverse electromagnetic waves that takes time to get there because you need space

1:04:34 to have a distance. And you need distance for something to travel through that distance and to take time over a certain period of time, which means you have a velocity So technically there's no velocity because these are extra-luminal transmissions from one antenna to the next going through what is known as counter space and in myetheric model it's slipping between space which means space is being slipped around these emissions so the distance disappears because space disappears. And if space disappear, there's no distance and if there's no distance

1:05:10 It doesn't take any time, and if it doesn't take any time there's no velocity. So the emission from one antenna to the next is oscillating back and forth creating what's known as a displacement current between these antenna which is what happens between capacitor plates is that these longitudinal propagations are basically instantaneous So with the last five or 10 minutes we have here, I want to make sure we revisit the plasma ignition thing you were talking about and the solar charger. Now the plasma ignition system...I had this in my notes so it's a part of your bio where

1:05:50 One of the favorite developments is the patented plasma ignition system, which obsoletes every performance ignition system in automotive history. It is able to instantly burn hydrogen right out of water or any other hydrogen source this enables an engine to run partially on water with much less fuel more power more mileage and less emissions In some tests done by independent researchers around the world, this ignition method was able to run various small engines on 100% water. But the size of the plasma discharges to accomplish that are so large that it will cause instant damage to internal parts but at least the point was proved well I love that where is this plasma ignition system? At this point So it's still just a desktop model

1:06:41 What I've done, maybe two years ago is I put together my own production ready circuit. They have some problems with it that need to be debugged and might have to redo it from scratch but essentially I hope by the end of the year they'll have a production model prototype which is essentially a capacitive discharge ignition system you know regular ignitions in a car 12 volts goes into an ignition coil then you get this higher voltage step up action that makes little spark A step past that is charging a capacitor of few hundred volts to put into a performance ignition coil instead of 12 volts so you get a corresponding stronger spark.

1:07:19 I can take that same capacitor and add one little modification to it, and make all the resistance in the circuit disappear. Or most of it disappear as if I had a room temperature superconductor because the capacitor when it discharges to the coil is fighting against different resistances and impedances so it slows down how fast it can discharge. Take a certain potential and you discharge over a long period of time? You've got really low power phenomenon If I make the resistance disappear, and I can make the capacitor almost instantaneously discharge. It's no longer a stronger spark it's like a white ball of sunshine at the gap that super loud and super fast even faster than Tesla's disruptive discharges And it'll instantly dissociate hydrogen from oxygen from moisture in the air water vapor injected into an engine or even a hydrogen atom from hydrocarbon molecule. It will rip the hydrogen to make atomic hydrogen

1:08:15 and then it detonates the atomic hydrogen, which flashes really hot and fast and then thoroughly ignites the rest of the mixture. So it's almost like a two-step ignition process so I can actually lean an engine out and get a temperature drop proving that the thermal efficiency goes up when everybody else leans an engine out they get a temperature increase because their not doing it right. So I have the circuit that I still have to develop but anybody who wants to learn more can go to IgnitionSecrets.com That's basically a page that describes what the presentation and the books are about, and the buy button will forward them to eMediaPress where they can get in a book or video presentation. But it is one of most replicated circuits in the world for unusual circuits that I released in about 2008 my variation of making this type of plasma

1:09:06 because all automobile manufacturers, Princeton NASA, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Spark Plug Companies they have patents on an antiquated way of making this type of plasma but they've never really put it into production and put into people's hands. I did in a way where I can take any off the shelf capacitive discharge ignition system do little modification with high voltage and I can simultaneously use that capacitor to initiate the spark, and also act as a low voltage high current source that jumps the little gap which nobody else has ever been able to do before. So my method of doing it essentially instantly obsoleted tens of millions of dollars worth patents over the last 50 years owned by all these companies and organizations in government labs and all this kind of stuff

1:09:55 And there's a lot of different applications to the plasma ignition I won't go into, but the first and foremost one is to be able to burn your fuel-air mixture cleaner with more power, more mileage. It does require a custom spark plug for long life because it will shorten the life of a regular plug and it needs to be a nonresistor plug But the phenomenon in and of itself points out some potential flaws in the so-called laws of physics dealing with Ohm's Laws, and a few others that appears to be being violated. It is very interesting and I've been excited about it since 2007 or 2008. Yeah! It sounds quite disruptive and quite interesting. So what's going on there?

1:10:41 Okay, so John Bodini invented the world's most effective not necessarily most efficient but the most effective battery chargers battery rejuvenators and solar charge controllers. And the reason I say effective is because... So from early about 2004 they were developed into commercial production and then from about 2007-2008 on Peter Lindemann and I with TeslaChargers.com, which you can't buy them right now they've been out of production since John and Gary Bedini died on the same day back in around November 5th 2015 or something like that me and Peter sold more than all his other distributors combined people have been beating our door down to try to get these so where it's at is this

1:11:29 I've been wanting to put these back into production because they give lead acid batteries more life, flooded cell lead acid batteries more life cycles than any other battery charging technology in the world. You can even bring back about, I'd say at least maybe 25-30% of batteries doomed for the dump we can take those and bring them back 80-110% of the manufacturer's rating so literally we can take a flooded cell battery a percentage of them that nothing else can bring back and we can actually give them more capacity than a brand new one off the shelf with this technology. It's proven for so many years it's ridiculous, so there were different ways that I wanted to go about

1:12:08 replicating some of John's circuits to do it in the same way. But in the last couple years, I've been talking to Paul Babcock about reintroducing some of these models but enhancing them making a little bit more universal and before Paul died we worked out a basic concept that we wanted to incorporate so that a battery charger See, there were battery chargers, battery rejuvenators and then the solar charge controllers. The charge controllers were essentially like an audio amplifier and they would just linearly amplify current put the voltage in current into a battery so when the voltage got up to certain level on the battery it would start tapering down the current and it was all this little self-regulating process with no digital controllers or anything.

1:12:57 and rejuvenators, the chargers could do the same thing but the rejuvenators would charge a capacitor and then discharge it to a battery. charge it, and discharge to a battery over and over. And the whole secret is all about just getting the battery up to a certain voltage that reversed the chemistry to like new on every charged cycle. So if you can charge your battery and bring the chemistry back to like new on every charged cycle, you can theoretically give a lead-flooded cell acid battery an infinite amount of life cycles. There was no other battery charger technology in the world that ever did that So we have a concept that we can integrate into one unit to make it so universal, that we can either put a solar panel on the front or plug into the wall.

1:13:42 we can turn a switch and we can either make it a charger where it'll charge and push the voltage up to a certain level, where the current will automatically drop off for a charger. Or we can turn a switch and it will charge your capacitor and discharge it to actually rejuvenate and not only desulfate a battery, its bringing the battery to the right voltage at the top where we know it's brought back to like new. So, it would be a solar charge controller battery charger rejuvenator all built into one unit where there might be say maybe 20 watt unit maybe 100 watt unit maybe 500 watt unit maybe 2000 watt unit which would obsolete probably 95% of all the battery chargers and rejuvenators solar charged controllers on the market with four different models then Paul died

1:14:30 But I have the principle and I got some parts to do the basic prototype circuit on it, but that's on a back burner until I get through. A couple of projects right now, but that's going to be, I'm working on one right now and as soon as I get done with that, I gotta choose between the battery charger or my plasma ignition circuit. Ah, and they're all your babies! How do you choose? Man, it's good to get updates because clearly you've been working on a lot of things for a long time and we probably don't do this enough. We didn't even get time to talk about the crazy stuff like antiqua tech and living plasma and all sorts of strange things that I had planned to ask you about but just getting the updates on the range of products. I mean it takes two hours

1:15:14 So in closing, what do you want to see happen next? Is there any new product or new advancement you're excited about when are we getting a new conference which we look for down the road. So yeah, the goal would be to have a conference in 2026 I gotta see what date works for the whole Tesla crew and everybody else and I would like to have the water machine ready, the water purification unit I'm developing, okay. I can't talk about that one but the...I want to have the plasma ignition circuit ready and i want to have at least one of the battery controllers ready probably the smaller scale one which is kind of a universal unit those are the three ones that I want to introduce to the market there's one oddball device that John Bedini had I have his original unit

1:16:03 He called it a gravity wave detector. Fits in a little box and it can pick up these different emissions, I got to look into it more to give a more accurate explanation from his point of view but its detecting these invisible type of influences that we're subject too so interesting little device. I'm thinking about putting it into production for experimenters because People want to charge batteries, they want to have the ignition. But a lot of people just want something that does weird stuff or senses weird stuff so that might be one that's coming into production. There is also a development you know you mentioned a Rife machine and we haven't gone in to that but my company also manufactures an RPX unit invented by John Bedini which is one of only two legitimate Rife frequency generators in the world

1:16:51 Is this the sideband generator? Yes, it's the sideband generator. By mixing a high frequency with an audio frequency you create a combination of the addition of those two frequencies but also the subtraction of those two frequencies and those are called sidebands and Rife created sidebands that were even and odd harmonics or even or odd multiples of his target frequencies That's how he did it and there's only two commercially available units anywhere in the world that makes that, and that's how Rife did it. All the others are nothing but glorified signal generators. I'm about to put in a order for new production unit of about 150 units. I've been out of stock since last September. Everybody's beating my door down for one of these. And they're cheap! $795 dollars for the old unit. These might be 850. People are charging thousands of dollars for something that is just a signal generator that has nothing to do with Rife. But...I can't say who

1:17:46 but somebody is gonna be licensing the RPX unit to drive an amplifier to make a tube Rife machine. Rife did both, electrode delivery and the tube version. The electrode unit is a lot more efficient but nevertheless people like the eye candy aspect in this very powerful unit I'm not gonna be manufacturing them I'm just going to be licensing that thats the project im working on right now after I get my RPX unit in When my associate puts that into production, I'm excited to be a distributor because people have been asking for it to be in it for a long time. So there'll be available through that. So it will be the number one basically most accurate and authentically correct Rife machine using a plasma tube. And again, I don't make any claims

1:18:36 It's a research only unit. You can go to emediapress.com, look for the RPX link and you can learn really what Rife did as far as doing the frequency mixing thing so that's going into production I gotta finish the tube Rife circuit that Paul Babcock helped me with with the amplifier for the tube and then yeah battery charger water machine and the ignition circuit Those are the three goals and that's why I'm not having a conference this year, also because all the stuff with my mom. But that's my main focus between now and the end of the year so I'm on fire! The fire is burning and I haven't been this motivated in a long time

1:19:15 Awesome. That is good to hear a lot of spinning plates and it's good that things are coming to market because the criticism of the alternative science Tesla tech type of community is like, where's the stuff? Where is the viable products but you do have a couple summer out of stock but we will restock. We will replenish And I appreciate you coming by. I've got so much respect for what you do and the space you've created for these bright minds who have been sort of pushed out of the so-called scientific community, it's It's a huge thing. People can go to eMediaPress.com, check out even just the conference presentations and the lectures I mean if you want to wrap your head around the alternative science that's where you do it but keep it up and take care! Thank You! And Energy Times is free they can either do a pop-up or click on the blog link in into left column there'll be a sign up for Energy Times and that's where all of our updates go and it's free to join

1:20:13 Love it. Well, thanks again and have a good one. Thanks Greg. Take care. All right back in the alternative energy saddle and talking to one of the big dogs in the yard when it comes to this sort of stuff I empathize with the tragedy and his life recently and the lack of motivation to do much more than grieve but I'm happy here he's got the fire burning again I learned more about the previous work of Eric Dollard in this one, wild how many things he seems to be attached to that i'm super interested in. And i'm glad we got an update on the Tesla turbine...I just wish we saw a bit more movement on bringing these things to market and a bit more clarity on how individuals would use some of these things in their lives

1:21:04 Aaron clearly knows a lot about the technical details and how these things work, and I appreciate that. But I worry that this one in particular might be like explaining the intricacies of a combustion motor to people who just want to know if they can drive it. People who just wanna know what can I do with this? And why do I want it? But Aaron clearly shows his depth of knowledge, which is important when you're trying to make the case that these things are real. When so many people are trying to tell us they aren't and it's very impressive to me. It's a shame in the field has lost a couple of the greats in such a short time there's not many people doing this work and previous interviews I think I even made the point about where are The young people working in these fields?

1:21:55 Jeremiah for word is the only one I know, but it's just something that I like to dip into again every year. So that just seems like the right rate to get updates to me and the time in which Aaron might present us with another inventor he's working with Nice to see that they do have a few major products out now, but they seem to be products that are so hard to talk about because of all the concerns over legal action. If you over promise and under deliver, but if you're too careful then it's hard for a layman to understand it's too vague. I empathize with him trying to walk that tight rope and thread that needle, but either way, I'm glad he's back at it. I hope the conference continues for many years

1:22:41 Lots of great presentations to check out that have been filmed and are on the website. Many of them for free, some of them purchasable. Check them out at eMediaPress if you want more! Of course The Plus Show got deeper we talked more about the process behind the multi-wave oscillator, the ether physics model that helps a person understand how it works We talked about our backwards concept of time-space and ether compression and time effects, and even a little bit about how flying saucers fly by displacing the ether around them. All good stuff! And I wish Aaron well.

1:23:18 In higher side news, it seems like a lot of people enjoyed seeing that little teaser image of the new studio set for THC 2.0 or we might say THCTV. It's up on Instagram and Twitter and I got a lot to say about that and why I'm going in that direction and what it all means and how it will change things But I think that all deserves its own update in the feed. That isn't just tacked onto the end of a random show, so keep an eye out it's coming but let's do the review thing for the last episode one of my favorite interviews in awhile with Matthew J bell. I haven't looked yet but I have no doubt It's a high one lets say 4.8 that seems to be old reliable when it comes to our great shows

1:24:06 And wow. Okay, even better 4.9 almost a perfect score love it that's what we're here for I hope I have many more shows with Mr Belle we seem to get along quite well i like his vibe and his depth of knowledge just for knowledges sake he should definitely write a book he would write a lot better than many people that I know who writes books on the regular he is good dude And let's knock out the upcoming events on the THC meetup calendar as we do. Hiresidemeetups.com, let all your wildest dreams come true! Coming right up on May 25th The Three Magnets Brewing Company in Olympia Washington Somebody tell Ron Patton and we also have may 26 Monday at Gale Braths Alehouse Eden Terrence Auckland New Zealand

1:25:01 June 1st, Heartland Harbor in Huntington Indiana. Also June 1st Champlain Minnesota Elk Creek Brewing and June 8th San Antonio Texas Halcyon South town and also June 8th Los Angeles at the Trails Cafe And then one last one to throw in June 14th a raw milk party at Mount Greylock State Reservation Visitor Center at Lanesboro Massachusetts Gotta love a raw milk party. Don't make it weird, but lots of good stuff. Always happy to see people using the calendar to form new social circles based on their THC interests go wild higher side meetups.com But that's what we got today. Big thanks to Aaron. Thanks to you guys for listening June is going to be huge around here so brace yourself but I'm getting out of here for now. I've done my part

1:25:58 Your move, ether physics deniers secret science hiders and perpetuators of the false paradigm. You're fucking booed. We are in a lot of trouble across every industry food water medicine computer tech and energy but people aren't paying attention not much is getting through Gains in the information war are getting long overdue What's left for the big old octopus to get its tentacles around? Sure, it's got a grip on everything but it's so long. Ditches on You need to make a bet Facts over prop Justice over quills around

1:28:03 Sure it's God, but it's a lot like it Deconstruct the wake em up They can't continue to win The history of future is changing Feed us not into temptation By parodic psychokols or sure its God