A. W. Finnegan | Sleeper Agent: Weaponized Ticks, Lyme Disease, Chronic Illness, & Biological Warfare

00:00 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man And until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view I find the more we think, we know the less we really do Where would be without THC? No they're lying to us just don't know what degree It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and contrary to the Hollywood depictions of people bleeding out their eyeballs and falling dead in the streets The reality of biological warfare according to the history and their own documents is much more stealthy subtle and aimed at weakening up population slowly over time

01:08 In such a way that most victims never even think to connect any dots. Guns and bombs are expected on the battlefield, but for psychopaths who see entire populations as permanent enemies injecting as much toxicity into their world is just another asymmetrical warfare tactic and it happens more than anyone wants to believe Water supplies, aerosol spraying, vaccination and even contaminated ticks and birds have all been used plenty of times to eradicate undesirables. And attempt to cripple nations through stealth processes that are essentially invisible while the people are left endlessly debating as to whether or not they even exist!

01:45 Well, today's guest A.W. Finnegan is well aware of this reality as his personal struggles with Lyme disease and immune tolerance started when he removed a black legged tick from his lower back and have never stopped And in an effort to understand what he was experiencing, he became a vigorous researcher of biological warfare, Plum Island and specifically the life and work of Dr. Eric Traub His years of study have culminated in his new book Sleeper Agent The Rise of Lyme Disease, Chronic Illness & The Great Imitator Antigens Of Biological Warfare Another impressive book from Trine Day that is full of documents and sources that tell a conspiratorial tale that pairs quite nicely with the story of Dr. Mary's Monkey by Ed Haslam, another Trine Day classic. You can also find A.W. Finnegan continuing his impressive work on Substack and I look forward to getting into it. The tick-bitten biological warfare researcher dark history highlighter and sleeper agent author Mr. Finnegan welcome to THC! Thank you very much for having me

02:45 Yeah man i am looking for this so i heard you talk about your struggles previously with the never ending headaches and a plague of auto immune problems. What you should be super proud of this book because it's more impressive than anything most people ever produce in their lives even without those problems, your knowledge on the subject now is very impressive Obviously this is deeply personal to you but to get us rolling here talk to us a bit about this path from tick bite to biological warfare buff. Okay so yeah i mean I became sick 2016 and my mother had Lyme disease in the early 2000's, very aware of it and I think was 2006 I read a book called lab 257

03:35 You're familiar with that and it's about plum island and it was the first book that talked about dr eric trial. And then much later when I got lyme disease cuz i started going into the medical system to get help in, i quickly realized how little help i can actually get and how i knew i was sick and infected but the test for coming back negative. And i learned that they use really bad tests don't pick up most of the infections not surprising But I would eventually, you know. They would tell me there's nothing wrong with you i'd have routine blood work come back normal did look at my you know cause i have chronic headaches that never go away and i'd be like how could my head be hurting not bad and they can't see anything so that's really what sparked this whole journey and i just i always love the topic of biological warfare i guess like reading about it

04:31 I put this timeline together and i reached out to a guy named john loft is on if you're familiar with him but he wrote the trying day author as well he wrote america's nazi secret which was first published in nineteen eighty two as the bella ruse secret and it was the first book. That exposed the line disease connection to biological warfare and michael christopher carroll and lab 257 talk about john loftus in that book, Show the quote where john loftus is saying that they experiment with poison ticks shot from planes spread rare diseases things of that nature. And i reached out to him after had put this timeline together news like a great time line and why don't you give me a call and i talk to him so he's like yeah im working on screenplay about this with two ladies are really interested in dr traven

05:30 Show me introduce me to them and we all are kinda like working together i was writing my book and so the screen that you women were writing a screenplay would like. Why don't you tell us what you find and stuff so we can kind of incorporate that into the screenplay it was supposed to be a netflix series. What is just never got to that point i never got picked up in that's how hollywood works and stuff like u put all this money on your project you dont even know if its gonna go anywhere but they were helping me crystal she's got lyme disease she's awesome you would provide me some funding to get a lot of the documents like i had to buy all of eric tribes publish research and was only available in these german universities so how do go through this distributor who had access to him and by each paper one my one it was a lot of money we also got a lot of stuff from the national archives in germany the federal archives in germany

06:32 Like I got three ring binders over here just like a whole stack of like all the research i did for my book. But they helped me immensely so that's how this whole thing got started and so i start looking into eric chop on to back up a little bit, i joined his facebook group and there was this former Pfizer biochemist named Kathleen Dixon who had this Lyme disease group called truth cures she was showing how how and why Most people who are infected won't show up positive on the test and she was talking about how long does these works and she showing out. Cause of something called immune tolerance which i mean tolerance is like the backbone of chronic disease that you can think of it as chronic immune deficiency,

07:24 And they call it tolerance because your immune system is suppressed into a state whereby it tolerates harmful and nasty pathogens that should otherwise be keeping out. So you're kind of like open the floodgates, come in and allows this central nervous system invasion, the invasion of all your organs, of all sorts of pathogens so I learned about that first right? Then when i started looking into eric trapp i have found that he actually discovered it. So then im like alright im gonna follow this guy's life, i'm gonna buy every paper he ever published i just try to get as much information on that guys i possibly could

08:08 And i probably have the most information on him and anybody i have a whole thing shelf. Full of stuff on eric trotman he was quite a guy indeed let's get into because we have learned on this show about a lot of x nazi scientist psychopaths but eric trotman has, Kind of alluded me this is kind of a new name for me and i wanna make sure we flush his life out because man the fallout from this guy could be immense maybe record setting. But it's also crazy story of double agents in spy craft get started here so i think you know we might be able to say that

08:51 Based on the timeline cuz on your website not only is the book thorough but i'm your website you have a time line that i kinda leaned on for trying to get just important bullet points but nineteen forty two eric trotting know he's educated now this but then it becomes the vice president of and sell rings or rings until reams yet. Yes okay so that is the cutting edge leading, Virus research facility in the entire world in germany and nineteen forty two. In the middle of the world war to stuff and then what happens while you probably want to go back to before, ninety point two when he was at the rockefeller institute well that's important but not sure first goes into school for language masters english and french any goes into veterinary medicine

09:39 Are you studying this nasty disease called borne a disease virus which is really nasty central nervous system viruses just actually use it to study like autistic spectrum diseases and stuff like that on animals as a diseased horses so he gets started on that but then he comes over to america to the rockefeller institute. He got a scholarship from what's his name richard show He was acting as an interpreter for richard show over in germany when he noticed that eric job had a knack for virology music want to come over the rock is it goes on the rocket rocket institute. He wanted to figure out if you could reactivate adornment virus from within my seat,

10:23 So there was this outbreak of something called pseudo rabies it's a herpes virus of pigs he studied it with show. And they found that it was actually something that reactivated it was a common virus they all have been reactivating cause this epidemic so, you had this idea and god wonder if i could reactivate the dormant virus so we take these mice inject them their call to enter cerebral inoculations into the masses brain Injects a foreign protein or antigen and then he reactivates this dormant virus it was called lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus are lcm virus for short. It spreads to all the other mice okay i need start studying the disease over four years because its quite a thing because of reactivate, and they become chronically ill immune system goes down and then all of the sick

11:20 Female mice give birth to these immune tolerant my still and then they're sick for life. They look normal, they don't have any antibodies even though the crawling with virus and making get other healthy my sick and you know this is that it causes a slow wasting disease slow chronic disease or wasting diseases and also the cancer rate went way up i started coming down cancers in step So first off, he learned how to start an epidemic from scratch. Right? That was kind of an idea here and if you think about it it's almost like a simulation of what the same thing can do from vaccines because this happens with vaccines too they reactivate dormant viruses You can look up all the eight common herpes viruses like Herpes Simplex Epstein Barr virus Human Herpes Virus 6 A lot of times will reactivate after people get a vaccine so its the same idea

12:21 So he's studying this but he wanted to figure out how we can apply this to weapons work i want to apply this biological warfare because the ideal is if you create a slow, it's like a slow death and your attacking the brain of the population with that too because when an immune system goes down like i said he noticed they got these low chronic wasting diseases or neurological disorders. Just a step and it's all the things that have exploded in american culture since this time i mean cancer dementia alzheimer's autism these are probably our four biggest problems on top of just general auto immune issues you know that's another pillar. These five things let say, these five things that have exploded and our parents lifetime in our generation

13:14 They're all the results in the documents of the things they were specifically playing around with and, The results they were finding. So it's like you know connect those dots. Yeah absolutely and the fact that there trying to use these shows this little antigen he found that would cause this right? It is you don't need like a whole virus or anything just as nasty lipo protein are this nasty lipid antigen that is just It disables the immune system he found that was the component so that was kind of like the bio weapon with that little antigen. Right i guess my protein one point oh exactly and not spike protein is exactly the same composition it takes the immune system out, and it varies for every person like and thats because what is called hla or human lucas antigen you have variations of the immune system just like your different blood types

14:11 That's why you get a variable outcome like some people get really sick while some people don't. Some people got to fail reaction was on the other slow chronic disease is he found that antigen could do this and he started applying them two different bio weapons, i want to also show in the book is it seems that we been slowly taking over in the public health system To the point where they're using it to our detriment and using these nasty antigens are also very much, you know fanning the flames of this raging fire chronic disease cancer. Neurological disorders now would also say neuropsychiatric disorders like mental illness too also comes into play here damn so just because

15:05 This is so dense i wanna kind of fast forward through his life a little bit so as we mentioned he becomes vice president of and so reams this cutting edge facility in germany during world war two So and so reams gets captured by the soviet union and this facility is placed under the personal protection of joseph stalin. And the scientists who work there are flipped to work for these soviet union in east germany we know about project paperclip, and we know that the soviet union also had a project paper clip and they kinda divided all the psychopathic scientists and absorb them into their own infrastructure so

15:43 Maybe you can help me out here but i know that then he gets flipped to work for the soviet and then he makes his way out he makes an escape quote unquote from the russian zone with the help of british intelligence in a soviet mall and m. I six called donald mclean, So after that, in 1949 Traub becomes an officer for the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations giving him diplomatic immunity status under the United Nations International Law. And then in 1950 he starts working for the US Navy to weaponize over 40 pathogens and is placed in the position of supervisory bacteriologist for the U.S. Navy and other outfits to supervise

16:28 stimulant and live agent tests around the US, including Plum Island, Wisconsin Florida Kansas and other testing sites. So let's talk a little bit about this because now we're at a point where we have this Traub guy who is a Russian scientist flipped to be a double agent for the Soviets and kind of instructed by the KGB to fuck up America And then they get him through the pipeline into a major position In the us bio weapons apparatus flush this out a little bit for us at this part of the story and i also add that i think you know, the soviet union was more or less like a creation of british intelligence.

17:12 And british intelligence i talk about my book being actively attacking us since the very beginning of our country so i think british intelligence is also very wrapped up in this and wanted. The salvia to attack us and they kind of assisted them as well so he comes over here, Is there a way when all in on biological warfare the soviet union because they didn't have no they were there are getting have the fancy as you know they weren't is technologically advances us and this was something i could do for very cheap. So they started going really hard into biological warfare several memoirs publishing a biohazard by ken alaback all sorts of books they had the largest bioweapons program what happened was they were able to kind of take the lead because they captured in so reams and got the world's best the elite. Buy weapons research i took the entire lab after the soviet union

18:12 So they had Eric all of his findings all of his things that he was doing even though is really evil. So they can't delete it comes over here and He's running these simulant tests. They put them at the top of the biological warfare program over here, he's advising them on how to set up a biological warfare program there like hide it all under animal disease medical research cancer research things of that nature you always cover your always use a cover you never call a weapon a weapon it's all medical treatments vaccines and things of that nature

18:49 veterinary problems the simulant tasks so similar as in a simulation of a bio terror attack was about offense practice that they started i believe they still do it today you release. A bunch of bacteria like a fog over city they did that and san francisco with a bacteria called serratia marcus since. That are trying to actually weaponized over in germany, So all these people get sick with a nasty infection that they've never seen before because they always thought it was harmless and someone died. So it started really screwing things up, but then he was doing all these other simulant tests involving insects. Okay? So you infect the tick with a harmless bacteria to leave a bullseye rash, but it's harmless right? And he had acquired that spirochete that is closest relative

19:48 To broly a bird or fire where line disease came from it was a bird strain of borealia got that in nineteen thirty nine and not same year he learned how to roll. A whole bunch of different co infections all into one check you learn that from his mentor carl beller, That's where i found eric job with all of his tech research cuz it was very hard to find that's where i found and i found him they had the spire key, who is called really answer arena a weaponize then it becomes really a bird or fried. But they had a few other strains in there were releasing them in germany that's why it was over in germany first but then he came to america you started releasing

20:30 In these texts and the simulant tasks like you're doing it at plum island who is also involving birds so he would have the text on birds release them and i noticed she was traveling back and forth to columbia in south america, unlike plumber island and it would always be in parallel with the bird migration patterns. That's one thing I was able to find out. Yeah, pretty interesting and so i found yeah they had this bird program and Eric Chobb did talk about birds being used for biological warfare in a 1942 paper he actually said it so this was something that they started to do this bird program and they use the black legged tick because at the time all the way up to 1951 there were saying it doesn't cause any human diseases right? So like oh this will be a great tick we can use in this in the simulant test

21:24 Accept eric travels attacking us right under our noses with these nasty infected text with all of these infections rolled into it so we got some. Testimony in that book lab to fifty seven where they're saying it's off where is releasing the tax john loft this is another source and then sell What is interesting in nineteen fifty eight i see a news article about the black leg attack now being serious transmitter of human disease. I'm just gonna pull up while you're talking this picture i have of the map where the black like it is actually present, yeah is interesting things like you can see going down from plum island columbia going south as kinda like he spread those things all over the place

22:11 And i find that newspaper article then i have this woman who wrote a memoir about her line disease journey all polymory her name is paulie marie the book was called the widening circle. And what she says in that book is that she got sick in the summer of 1955 or I think it was, it was either 1955 or 1956. I forget but it was either one of those and so here we have the information that it wasn't something that just happened in 1975. That's one erroneous thing a lot people believe and there are a lot of articles saying that but it was actually spreading since the 50s since these early tests

22:52 She was she got sick in the fifties by nineteen sixty is chronically ill disabled going through hell because they're telling her she's not second things of that nature and i started to study this through these health studies actually cuz there are people with multiple sclerosis never finding spirochetes in them and so donald mcclain ends up. Defecting to moscow while all this is going on and then, Western intelligence is like oh shit this is the guy who got us all these nazis now we got a big problem on our hands. A decade later after they've been working in key positions and very exotic weaponry programs that no one really knows how to even vet, a decade later they find out yeah we gotta problem yes so john loftus actually knew the guy who interrogated eric trotters name was dan benjamin

23:53 And he worked for counterintelligence cause military intelligence he goes and interviews eric job. Oh because i re job kept turning down the position for plum island to lead because you have to go through an extensive background check, news you know obviously spend flip to the soviets so we don't want do they come turn it down like why is he turned it down in plus with a dollar mcclain leaving the moskow thing So this interrogation happens and he trips him up in a lot you go through his history trip some of the line because you have anything to say before i request to have your prosecuted as a soviet agent has it as a spy. Any he just fell apart and admitted that was right and the interesting thing is this guy should've been trying to survive but he gets they didn't send them back to germany,

24:47 Where is set up another bio weapons lab and west germany. Right and let me just step in here cuz this is from your timeline i dislike the way you worded it but yes so in nineteen fifty one fifty two american planes began dropping bugging feather bombs and other infectious munitions on north korea, which had been deployed or developed with travis not season the american biological warfare program Captured pilots from the planes shot down confessed to dropping the bombs and the west denied it claiming the pilots were forcibly brainwashed. And the CIA then initiated their extensive mind control programs like mk ultra based on these claims, then yes he keeps turning down his positions you get interrogated by dan benjamin a guy that john loftus new am

25:38 He confesses to being a double agent and yeah they don't kill i'm usually this should be like this is definitely reason enough to be executed but they say or you write that he. New too much they sent him away because trob knew too many dark secrets about america's illicit biological testing the biological weapons used in the korean war. So they were just afraid that maybe he had a dead man switch i guess i mean if you got the guy on but he need seem to know so much that they were just afraid to actually and them, so they kinda cut loose yeah no i think they also want to keep using him cuz it was just such vip by weapon here

26:23 They send him back to germany it was place in tubulin and the funny thing is so. He's making trips back to the us they invited him to the opening day ceremony at plum island when the usda took it over from the army chemical core, nineteen fifty six comes over and visits even after this visit to the opening day ceremony he also comes back to the US for several conferences on biology He's also mailing back and forth different viruses to different institutions and stuff in the US. It's just wild, and then by 1960 they start investigating him for embezzlement as vice president of that place

27:07 Get a lot of trouble and it's funny they discovered like how much of a party animal eric job was with this guy. And they were going to like buying prostitutes drinking, which is why i actually put up a section in my book about that but he has to step down you actually gets criminally charged your voice jail time by paying heavy fine yes just step down as president There was all this sexual harassment going on too by the vice president who is like a crazy drunk and so just a lot of wild stuff. Then he ends up going to Iran after that for the Food and Agriculture Organization, even after all that you still worked for the UN, you still work for the Food and Agricultural Organization. He goes to Iran starts setting them up and yeah all these things had been

28:00 Had been released on america and there are multiple different ones he had a bunch of different things going on there were a bunch of them release. There was this vascular stone mititis virus that you adapted chicken eggs and it seems that's where it also adapts to humans too because we have a very similar immune system the birds, it seems that was the thing when he was able to adapt it to bridge would also take two humans And many instances but you let out a lot of different biological weapons on us then there were other people to who is the guy. Work for the soviet union and mp chumac off okay great i was gonna be when i had an opening i was gonna bring him up yes tell us about him so mvg.

28:47 is like the top stalinist by weapon here who's involved in testing all these biological weapons that they had developed on the muslim and mongolian population starting in nineteen thirty seven. Add all these tech weapons insect diseases there was spreading in those area in siberia and elsewhere and they go And they were testing he was also the one who's developing those hemorrhagic fevers those ebola like viruses actually have the origin in the siberian region and russia there is a virus crimean, hemorrhagic fever when you captured and so reams. MP chumakov goes down there and meet with eric twice is getting information on korea meningitis lcm virus and the whole immune tolerance thing

29:38 So eric was able to teach him a lot and then about ten years later he teams up with albert saving make the oral polio vaccine yes right and it's just such a crazy thing to conceive of because here is this guy you know i have an enemy nation in the FBI just clears on the team up with this guy who's taking trips over to russia, and this guys taking trip so america and they're working on his or polio vaccine. Yes this is exactly where i have a really great quote from the book let me just lay this out here because i've always been fascinated by the story and ed haslam's doctor mary's monkey it is kind of classic interview that i've done you know in my archive its one of the most popular and.

30:24 It involves the sb forty virus contaminated in the polio vaccine and your book you write mass contamination of the american population is already happened with both polio vaccines first with the inactivated polio vaccine produced by jonah saulk and the second vaccine produced by albert b. sabin and mp chumacoff Both vaccines were contaminated by a carcinogenic virus SV40. This virus acts just like Traub's LCM virus and passes down generations causing neurological problems and cancers. The contaminated polio vaccines were given to 98 million Americans by 1960 infecting half of the US population, the Soviet Union previously saw the value of this process

31:09 And this is likely the reason PM Chumakov met with Traub in 1947 at Encel Reins to talk about the LCM virus. The soviet union developed a large scale by weapons program to crush the west all our scientists like albert be saving were teaming up and getting cozy with their top bio weapon years like mp chumacoff to make vaccines that would be given. American and western civilizations i mean wow it is so crazy so the piece that you add to the Dr mary's monkey story is that this wasn't an accident this was the soviet union giving tainted monkey kidneys to them to be like here test the virus on this use this use this material and you've noted a previous interview that when credit was given.

31:58 For the polio vaccine they gave credit to the soviet union not american scientists, but in today's world we're like oh those good old American ingenuity scientists. They solve polio polio probably being Again another not natural thing I mean a lot of people think it was dmt or not dmt but dtt Oh ddt yeah No i don't agree with that But we had poliovirus in our biological warfare in our stockpile we had polio vaccine, polio virus and i definitely think it was something involved with biological warfare. And you know what? It's possible that this may even relate to Eric Traub because he was when he was at insulin he made this mouse polio He adapted foot-and-mouth disease to mice and made a central nervous system disease like polio they're calling it mouse polio

32:50 And he might have actually been the one developing some of those when he came over because it was nineteen forty nine when all these polio outbreaks started happening. So you know i mean i can't link it with certainty or anything but i just think that's also a possibility what the thing is like these american scientists are working with mp chumakov, i believe they were also working for the soviet union i cant definitively say was this by But Albert B. Saban's history, you look at it was very suspicious like he comes over from Poland I think it was which was under Russian occupation or something and when he comes to America he is like taken in by this entourage from Tammany Hall which had a lot of people associated with the Soviet Union they had some soviet spies there too there was a politician who was working for the KGB or something

33:49 When you teams up with albert saving the way he talks about it is like i went back to russia and was like returning to my homeland. No so is like very fond of the soviet union and i found him also in some FBI investigations on communist activities and then when u go look at all jonas shaw, Jonas salk he initially he was considered a threat to national security as i did this first interview they found that you had all of these ties to these communist front groups and stuff but then the second investigation comes in just says no he's okay he can advise the government he can make these polio vaccines. And i believe that was because of the compromise FBI who also had a hand in helping travel over here compromised fbi

34:40 shows like we had this enemy infiltrating our system from a very early time and that's when they began to hijack the public health system and use it to our detriment. And here is the craziest thing is that mp chumacom sun constant in june. He was running vaccine safety and review at the FDA when they approved the covid vaccine approved the code of action yeah i'm pretty much on its the craziest thing, I know i was gonna tell people you know sit down if your driving pull over because this is where it gets fucking crazy but yes and be chumac off so he meets his wife in germany during the occupation make sense there in germany then they have a son named constantine he gets a phd in biology from moscow university makes sense that's weather

35:28 raising their kid. He moves to the US, he works for the FDA for 33 years. One of his primary titles was director of research at the office of vaccine research and review and he was there during COVID and only retired in 2022! Yeah i mean it's like five fucking guys man that was so crazy so i pulled a map up earlier where the black like a tech is most prominent and its everywhere from maine to florida as far as minnesota as far as missouri in texas it's half the country. Obviously it's denser closer to the east coast but this is just so terrifying to me and the thing that i think about is,

36:08 How much natural disease is there without all this if you take the fallout of these five guys and these let's just say these programs, these bio weapons programs. If you take them out how much natural disease is really out in the world because you can source almost everything back to some test or some shot. Yeah and like the amount of research going on daily it's just immense and I had this document on that timeline I made a long time ago It was by this group called Project sunshine or something there's a bunch of attorneys never suing all of these institutions academic institution universities and stuff. For having breaches of security in like out little outbreaks that would occur they wouldn't tell anybody,

36:54 Can i be like messing around with viruses and things would happen things with leak out that when tell anybody shows this document had a whole list of all the accidents that have happened. And then you know you read about the other week there was a bio lab but they were finding is homegrown by love these chinese nationals or something, and so it's just crazy how much activity is actually going on in our tell what there was also Like right before covid in the soviet union their main bio weapons facility blew up and september of twenty nineteen. Huge explosion and that was like a lab that was working on coronavirus there they were working on HIV or working on all sorts of stuff and i found a paper that shows it stars with spreading in russia at that time,

37:50 So that was really interesting because they're like SARS is spreading all the way up to that point where they say when a COVID thing happens in Wuhan. I don't really know if it was two different viruses released possibly, because it could have been both but they were saying that SARS was spreading since that September thing. It was really interesting. I had the video. It was a huge explosion Man and i know there are people in this audience that are just on this page now viruses aren't real and there's no such thing as contagion i have heard you deal with this in previous interviews. And that's why im trying to reframe it is like well look the natural world doesn't seem to be that dangerous if u can source ninety percent of all the big problems back to these facilities that should make you feel

38:45 I mean pretty comfortable on one hand with the natural unadulterated environment, but the idea that this all amounted to nothing and that they can't actually make people sick. It's just wrong you mentioned operation sea spray earlier in San Francisco That was a military test to make a bunch of people sick You can toxify an environment you can inject toxins into people you can make them sick you also cover A couple other situations like the biological weapons operation i never heard about called, operation big city during the cold war this was a new york city in the subway tell people what they did here. Smash light bulbs into the subway and have full of bacteria and have the trains just like blow them through the whole thing i know that uses one on my list club bgi

39:36 They say it's harmless but of course, you know that's what they said about the other one and who knows if they were also using fungus called aspergillus fumigatus in certain tests. And that one is really nasty! That's a really harmful fungus or fungal infection but yeah So is like they're doing that says big city project star bright was there a program i had big buzz drop kick you are like mosquito tests and stuff. Putting bacteria or injecting birds with stuff and then sending them out in specific areas and trying to like that's the thing is like it is all manipulated its there's a term from quote you have in the book about just flipping nature on its head it's like everything so many shows ideas like oh this is another inversion of the natural order and you could classify this in the same way.

40:35 I can also say like you know what the hell no virus thing that just popped up overnight. When the code thing happens like all of a sudden it was like overnight people are no viruses is no viruses no crime right now viruses well if contagion that real ride exactly so very convenient, when you understand eric jobs work see that's why i look convincing to people because they didn't understand the other side of her allergy. You're being presented a picture with all this other information left out and i actually made a video about it on my youtube channel showing that it's Eric Chobbs work and his immune tolerance thing explains how like this variation works and how different species of animals are not susceptible to some things, like the whole adaptation thing. And there was one paper that I found that really crushes the no virus thing so this guy put together a synthetic polio viruses right?

41:37 Sequences and he was calling it a chemical called polio virus i forget the name of the paper was like synthetic creation of the polio virus by guy named edward wemer. And it showed how you able to peace this thing together and create the actual virus synthetic fire so, I think that was a sign up personally and these things can spread is like the environment because it was you know. I've been on interviews where people are like your no viruses not make it really hyped up about it and cycle they can spreading get people sick cuz that's why you cant just get sick from something in the environment spreading around there are no bugs running round what is okay well look at sea spray operation see right

42:27 I grew up in saint louis there's a scandal about the time when they went to the pruitt i go buildings and put sprayers military but sprayers upon the buildings of buncha people got sick no speak when they did a lot stuff down their exactly i mean the term projects comes from the proof i go project where they have these apartment buildings for poor black people and they were all, fall apart terribly bill i think actually believe they were control demolition eventually and i believe the same guy who was the architect for the prudy go build and built the world trade center I try to meet people where they are and as a conspiracy guy i know we are attracted to new information it's just like something in our brains is like oh my god this new paradigm has been presented me that the truth, and then you don't have to think much about the other stuff anymore you becomes very addictive. Type of knowledge seeking and i definitely was on that page a little bit and if i listen to the right youtube video after this i might be right back on that page

43:29 But I just think instead of focusing on the categories of bacteria, virus germ that can people make other people sick. Can the military spray things in the air or inject things under your skin to make you sick? Is it possible that they've developed a lock and key mechanism where they put something into the population and then it's not triggered until you get a shot which becomes the key And then you have autoimmune conditions for life or autism I mean, let's not focus so much on the very slim narrow category of a virus and just say toxins because they have been making people sick forever. I even heard recently that the whole Zika thing where this was actually during a time where i had some friends were we're gonna take it trip to some of these areas potentially and they were paranoid of zika the girls are like well i might get pregnant in next few years i'm terrified of this zika thing

44:27 And I've heard that the CDC and Red Cross was down there doing vaccination programs six months before Zika was a thing. It's like, the PSYOP to me is making us scared of the natural world it saying like oh look these dirty people down here in South America they're just getting this Zika problem and it's like Oh, it spread by mosquitoes no its created and injected That's to me the real reality i think it was involved in that west nile virus they went down africa without one rockefeller institute and testing ever travels working on that eastern equine encephalomyelitis which i think he made into west nile virus. Yeah absolutely mean remember the gmo mosquitoes are releasing,

45:15 I don't even wanna think about it i just moved to florida i just moved to florida two years ago and im sure that is gonna be like its kinda like. I guess i was gonna ask you do you think that the gmo mosquitoes can create a situation that is like, the lime disease text thing 2 point oh absolutely i mean there was this paper showing at bacteria that they couldn't use mosquitoes ball back here refining that will bachia jeans were involved in people with cancer so you know it's just like every other thing they did is like, they are tackers through the we're protecting your thing no. Right right you talk about that the laws on the box the policies have been put in place

46:02 I guess walk us through some of that because they've made it illegal to do this kind of work if you call the weapon but of course they never do and they made exceptions for. Defense which is basically everything you can put everything under that broad definition and then make an exception out of everything yeah there's a lot i was title fifty fifteen twenty eight and First they were saying that you could experiment on the population without their consent right yeah all the way up until nineteen ninety six or nineteen ninety seven a repeal that law but then they say in the exceptions clause. That they can do it if they call it academic research if they call it,

46:50 agricultural pharmaceutical or even just general research and. Also if they do it to protect you against biological agents which has always been the cover you know, right that they can test biological warfare agents on an unsuspecting public if its for the purpose of defending them against Very similar things right and that's one thing that allows us to keep happening not repealing that law was just so bogus because it. You know all of the exceptions strike that log back out you know i say we can do this what is a two dollars use the argument while we have to have these programs for defense because we've got to keep up with the rest of the world and all that,

47:35 I think they really need to start looking into all the people they started taking into the public health system starting in nineteen fifty because it talked about there was a time when they didn't put any funding, and two biological warfare threat from the soviet union. And they moved all of that research into nuclear weapons and i didn't pay any attention to it so guys like mp3 macabre son getting over here no is like we're left wide open He's very suspicious i mean look at jonas when he wrote that book survival of the wisest you ever heard of that one oh my god it's about overpopulation is called survival survival why just over population where are you talking about how.

48:19 A major threat to the species is attributed to the increasing size of the human population, which in turn is ascribed to successes in science and technology. This explanation has evoked an attack upon science and the exploitation of its technology, to the development of which are attributed many adverse effects upon the human species and on other forms of life. Polluters who befoul of the planet affect the quality of life and are regarded a threat to present-future equilibrium of the species and of the planet. Those who consider themselves on the side of nature, and therefore of the human species see others in opposition to both nature and man hence we are to be concerned not only with man's relationship to nature but with man's relationship to himself." It was just a really strange book he is talking about how we need to stop medical advances that keep life going for people because overpopulation He basically saying okay we just need let people die

49:15 That's what he says on monday and tuesday he is the head of vaccine programs because she wants to help everybody yeah i need you all done in nineteen seventy five and it was just like. He's also talking about how we could use viruses to degenerate the genes of a population which his SV40 virus does exactly that. He is all talking about this in this book, Survival of the Wisest it is crazy book everybody should check that out because its huge red flag just like it is huge red flag to have Konstantin Chumakov heading vaccine safety and review so these are serious problems that need to be addressed

49:55 What a good people in government i need to start looking into this because we're obviously no eric job was working for the soviet union. I would say british intelligence as well you know they started to hijack our public health system there was even that memoir by the sky, alexander kuzma not call biological espionage where is talking about how they had a plan for this you get into the. Public health system and use it to their detriment right now trying things happen but I don't know, we're living in some crazy times. That's all i can say is everybody has got to find their strength you know? I'm a spiritual person so try to lead on that

50:35 in God and you just got to, I guess take one step at a time. Take it day at a time and being knowledgeable about this is better the more people that know about this. I know it's dark and scary but the more people that know about this, the less it can hide, the more we can call it out. And I think that's kind of like the key to attacking this. I agree cheers to that And so to take it back to lime and plum island in the text little bit your book goes into the idea that. The government new and there's records that show they were tracking at from when i was released in nineteen fifties but took twenty five years for them to say it was officially discovered right talk about some of that stuff that shows that they knew all this is a problem let's keep quiet lets track it and then got so big like okay fine lines with thing yeah so,

51:27 I would tracking it and there was a very important usda conference in nineteen fifty three where they talked about how we're being attacked by biological weapons mentioned avian spirochetosis which is the spirochet that landers ease came from. And so they were saying it was you know attacking the poultry industry can infect all of those are, no infections but nineteen seventy five they decide to acknowledge it was spreading for twenty five years And they had a bunch of campaigns to try to downplay the biological warfare connection once john loftus said that stuff. And if anything was he said it was being spread by text before they even acknowledge it was being spread by text and then the next year they acknowledged but they should all those tests never happen,

52:15 Also on my sub stack there's a great article i put out dispelling how the kids they were saying all we found line disease in a mommy thousands of years ago and i looked into the paper, they didn't even know if it was actually been really is species or genus. They're saying sixty percent chance but could not other bacteria and the next generation sequencing that their using his very unreliable especially for bryan is a paper and i covered all that but there are couple other ones They started covering it up they had a cover up going on there were a few papers that are trying to dispel. That biological warfare connection actually proved what i was saying right is like,

53:00 No it couldn't have been a biological weapon because you know the genetic engineering technology just wasn't there yet he didn't use genetic engineering technology used animal passages that's how we mutated these different. I didn't explain before but they use animal passages certain animals would bring certain qualities and properties when you adapt something to the mice, i become central nervous system disease increases the neuro tropic quality as they say So that's the way they did bioengineering before the days and even after, that still the way they use it. You have like gain of function research what are they doing there passing in between animals right? They're still using that method It's easy to say oh this came from an animal so it must be from nature. And makes that whole argument just mute because well if you're using these animals in a lab

53:53 Then you know i came from this animal yeah but it came from the same line a lot. Yeah because you spliced jeans with some other shit and twirl around thousand times in a centrifuge and did all the stuff and then injected like to me that's just like a toxin as you said by the idea of biological warfare, You can make an argument that it is ancient because yes they didn't have laboratories like this but all you had to do is take a rotting corpse even like a rotting squirrel corps and throw in the water supply that's biological warfare did not happen you know in the ancient past are any plagues real hard to say. I would say no because i do believe we had civilizations that were pretty advanced even though different from ours,

54:43 And i wonder to if this was going on all that time to like a lot of the things that we think were naturally smallpox is up what effect came from earlier stuff that they were messing around with me and i think our history goes back so much further than there are other civilizations before, pretty advanced but a lot of that got hidden to go back to your point about the british you make a argument are you show it quote from george washington where he says look my fucking soldiers are all getting wiped out with illness i think that the british or send people over here and then you find out yeah they were taking people who had no they didn't have vaccines yet but they did know that if u take

55:27 People who are sick and you take their material and you put it into a cut of someone else that person is gonna get sick but the end this factors in the train theory i've been thinking about how to balance all this, it plays into a young friend theory please into it not kind like the idea behind hla thing that was talking about earlier your turn you have different terrains of course. And what you eat other ways can modify but That does play into it so they were taking people who might not have gotten sick cuz of their terrain and then there cutting them open and putting it in their bloodstream and then those people would be quarantine for a couple of weeks and they would be sick and then they get better and then they send them to the us. And this program was enough of a kind of a immune boosting sort of thing that when you introduce those people into,

56:17 The rest of the troops where they were experiencing this program they all got very sick so i have to say is like everybody got sick but these people work. Sick in a controlled environment put in quarantine for six weeks and actually a lot of them did die but they took the ones who didn't die and then put down, end the war with the american soldiers and the american soldiers who weren't prepared for that who didn't have six weeks to sit in hospital bed there are on the field right now They got sick at a time when You know they're in the shit so obviously it is devastating to the troops so even george washington said i think some shady shit is going on with this. They can go around and there using it in war and their doing being covered about it you said directly are not killing the people and sending more we had a get a sick, i really like that i found that quote i mean it's just amazing cuz your thinking of seventy seventeen seventy five biological warfare

57:18 The first president to say something that biological warfare being used against us and they were doing not to Australia at the same time i know early in my book i really going to have their attacking america and australia at the same time, wild so i think britain. Very wrapped up in this and there's a great book called two world wars and hitler that trying to publish we're talking about the millner group and he goes into carol quigley work well i think this milner group was also heavily involved in this and they were definitely involved in setting up the soviet union cell. I also look at this whole britain thing kind of looking back into brittons role in all this because we're not really our ally they were attacking us the entire time. Yeah yeah i hear that argument made everyone you know often is so curious who's the apex of the conspiratorial pyramid and obviously it rotates around right now its basically israel and,

58:15 the jews or a sect of jews this habit and frank is actually looked up trot i looked up try. And it isn't asa can i see name its also just just german and a lot of its german and jewish which is so strange cuz were thought to be like oh mortal enemies oil in water but you source a lot of people back at it's like they come from a jewish family with, german ancestry and then who was the royal family it's a german family who co opted the british crown So some people say triple crown control you look at the three areas of the world that are outside legal jurisdictions and it's washington dc is a military arm bank of london is the financial arm. And the vatican is the religious side up

58:59 Arm and those three areas they do a lot of shady shit within them because there they've crafted. A legal exception to these areas are not part of any nation necessarily so yeah i think that's a good argument you look at that is like what is that about and how does those three pillars work, who help a nefarious cabal attack the world I try to explain to people i can send some people get turned off cuz i talk about russia because it's all your plan in russia. I got that but you also gotta look at the fact that was like a british intelligence operation we're setting up soviet union and they were kinda like it seemed like they wanted, create a puppet government that would attack america for them and so they didn't have to do if they had this other one now

59:49 What you can look into the soviet union program was huge it was huge all of those memories written so no i try to tell people it's kind like a very complex thing. I'm not just blaming russia or anything like that what is the complex thing and our government did so many messed up shit like just allowing the most ridiculous nonsense to occur and then not holding people accountable, So what the text then i was curious your thoughts about the alpha gale syndrome it's not in the book but is convenient that there's a check out there that makes you allergic to meet you can't consume meat anymore and that fits with the agenda of the whole green thing of like we wanna get rid of.

1:00:32 animals and make people live on the crackers we make in the factory. Uh, it's just very convenient that we have a tick ding, ding, ding that has a solution to a problem that they have out there and I never heard about this until like two years ago. Right? I didn't really look into it as a connected to Eric Chau but you know, there were so many different things and these nasty antigens can do all sorts of different things And I said, another good point is that the antigens alone are chemicals biochemicals. You know that exist and they will get you sick. So we have that. I kind of feel like they have these different vehicles to deliver it to you. You have spirochetes virus and things out in nature. That antigen alone is the bioweapon is what I'm saying in that book. Yeah.

1:01:20 Man this is been really informative kudos to how much work you've done to understand this stuff it's really complicated obviously and they try to cover their tracks but what other info should we give people before i catch a loose links all that kind of stuff where to get the book, i have a website called the sleeper agent dot com. And i also have a sub stack at a w finnegan f i n e g a m Also you to handle at a w finnegan and also my twitter handle is a w again that's kind of easy. You can find me there i also have an audio book on the website but i sell, the actual books you get it trying day dot com or amazon dot com yeah we just say people you know there so much going on you really have to

1:02:14 Do your own research and there's a lot of things that you know there so much disinformation to when. There some ways it can be manipulated incorporated with lies, show its very complex system but i think everybody has to start somewhere actually got involved in this because of the whole ufo thing was drew me into the idea that doesn't you know, operate the way they're telling us. And so that was like my starting point and then I kind of would listen to like info wars and stuff and yeah went through that whole thing. Doing my own research though is the most important thing reading books in my opinion. You see all the books I have behind me? Amen! And I tell people yeah that's the one thing that is helpful more than anything else just to read gain knowledge take in knowledge use that knowledge

1:03:04 You know you find all the contradictions the trivia method i never heard of that. I have yeah the trivia method and and you know you just go out this try to understand it's a spiritual thing for me too is like understanding the world, no understanding myself in the world and not involve the spiritual realms and everything is funny cuz i never really had plans going to biological warfare until i got sick so somethings happened to you That kind of lead you in that direction and perhaps god, I'm sick for some reason and has to be that way for some reason. And i don't know but it was like a had to do this research and it led me into this and this is some of the most important stuff

1:03:52 Today i would say i mean this if you don't have your health you don't have anything. This is explaining the entire reason why health is crumbling in america yes i think that's so key to all this work and then you've done a great job that's what try to point out, chronic issues we have right now are directly related to the things they were finding in the lab with these very people or doing these mass campaigns for their crazy centralized system and inoculating 90 million people so it is while i might be a victim myself i am deaf and my right ear because i had meningitis when i was three the doctors tell my mom a story about what did you do recently we went on a fishing trip out that are there it is bacteria from the stagnant water in the fishing trip and that was the story of my whole life.

1:04:39 What what wait we run unravel it and it's like all the doctor doesn't know shit he asked a leading question to try to find a cause, and they have been my dad fished a lot so yeah there was a recent fishing trip and then they're just like their days and you probably felt guilty his whole life about it i mean never talked about it but. Now i'm like i was three years old what else is happening in the three year olds life a lot of vaccinations and there are vaccines that were tainted with meningitis they went up to canada maybe they landed in missouri too i am not ever gonna really know but. A lot of us have issues that are the result of this fuckery and we should be pissed about it so the wounded warrior archetype is a major thing out there and i think that is something that you fulfill you know this hits you personally, can u dove in to learn at a high level and now you are innocence healing the rest of the world with information yeah absolutely. That's what i would say it's a beautiful thing

1:05:40 Well thank you so much really impressive work good luck on your own healing journey i wish the best and take care out there. Thank you and boom goes the dynamite people are we gonna give it to mr finnegan he did write a great book to see him take this situation of being personally affected and channeling all that frustration pain annoyance anger whatever it is and turning into fuel for a book like this that's the magic It's easy to say well now that i'm affected why bother warning anyone else or the damages done from a me centric perspective that's obviously how ninety nine percent of people operate. We have a lot more people talking about this and a lot more books about it

1:06:30 I know that listeners are probably a bit more concerned with a different conflict that might feel a bit more pressing right now, but geopolitical sands shift all the time. I have no problem going back to this specific time period and understanding that yes, the Soviet Union probably did infiltrate the system as he described you never really know where a person's allegiances truly lie A double agent can easily be a triple agent whatever whatever But picking out these people and highlighting their role in what they did, and the snowball effect it's had on our society. And health of the nation to me that's very good work! It's a compelling narrative it makes sense to me and just shows how far back this sort of espionage and covert bio warfare goes... ...and how generations later we can be and still are feeling the effects

1:07:24 Look america has a ton of problems but you have to include the general health and vitality of our people as a pretty. Highly relevant factor on the list of course american food companies aren't doing us any favors but that's another show, ask for polishing off a missing piece of this overall puzzle i think it's great to see and it was super interesting learn about no be feel the same way Now that's me talking about the free first hour as for the plus show wow did it take an unexpected turn. Turns out mr finnegan has some mystical experiences of his own and developed a pretty solid and interactive spiritual companionship absolutely did not expect that but he made a passing comment i caught it we pulled on internet turned into a pretty big thing

1:08:15 I don't really wanna say anymore than that because i sort of told him that the plus show is a more private space to get into this personal stuff that clearly he was a little guarded on. And so to honor that i dont want just repeat it all here publicly but i will say two more things about it, You might have noticed an odd audio glitch that wasn't too annoying, especially after our editor tried to mitigate the instances of it. But I'm sure a few slipped through these quick little flashes of electrical static disturbance. Well that is not something i've experienced before having hundreds of Riverside conversations under my belt and then he tells me about this spiritual presence and I obviously have to wonder if they're related

1:09:03 As an element of verification or vetting his claims, I would add that to the stack. Also just think he's a super honest guy he didn't really want to talk much about it i just kept asking but it seemed like a genuine aspect of his life to me. And for the plus people yes you did send me that flame video that he mentioned and it is pretty interesting, sink inclusive i know cameras do weird things when your filming a bright fire up close etc etc But the video is what he said it is. He asked the spirit to move the candle flame and the candle flame moves Okay, I'm not gonna say any more but I know there would be questions about that if I didn't address it And I just didn't want to leave plus people hanging on that

1:09:54 So good show great research into an unadvertised but very impactful and important thread on the sweater of history. Much like the last episode with andrew hall a show split into two completely different halves become a plus member get the full to our interviews there almost always better, can you help me honor my commitment to say screw ad based everything now as for that last show then draw I knew it would be a little mixed i knew we had an hour of bigfoot and an hour electric universe geology. I could have done big foot first to suck people in,

1:10:30 Then we would have electric universe geology requiring the visual references and then it would seem like i'm trying to push people to the twelve dollar tier plus. And i really not i don't care which tear your on i think i make more money on the eight dollars here because the video is so expensive but i haven't even done the math i know its close so it's not really like I want everyone to pay me more money it's just i wanna have this option available when we need and i needed to be independent from a lot of the centralized systems that cancel people anyway so, we went with the approach. We did and i did geology first so that the visual references would be available to everyone even though the bigfoot stuff i think what can tell larger part of this audience in clearly not everyone waited around here

1:11:19 I did not expect such strong feelings in the comments about the visual references. It's not the first show that had visual references and it just shows how sometimes some rare subjects are completely elevated by the visuals, and because he has done the work and wants to make the best case for his research that he can we're gonna use him Interviews like this are peppered all throughout the THC archive episodes where we're talking about a lot of visual things but just didn't have the ability to add that layer i just see it as an option i think its helpful when we're talking about symbolism or something like that and you can show screenshot from a guest blog so we can all see exactly what's being talked about.

1:12:06 Obviously this one was a lot more of us slide based presentation and just a quick visual reference but. There are shows i listen to that occasionally do this and i don't find it to be a big problem is click the youtube link at the top of their show notes in, pull up that app and go right back to listening and just occasionally glance over at the screen if i wanna get an idea what's being talked about But that was an issue for some. It really doesn't matter too much because it's just such a rare situation that I'm not gonna overthink it or make some big declarative statement about it, but... ...I've qualified enough already! The score is 4.4 and that's really what I consider basically the last number of the B tier So not terrible

1:12:52 And i think that the second hour about the big foot stuff really saved it from getting beaten up even more thankfully. Hey i like andrew he was a fun guy i think he's right to take the model further explain some of the dryer geological stuff, And I walked away feeling like the Don love pass incident is completely solved in my mind. So that's a big thing to me not every interview ends with feeling as if i'm mystery that's been on my head for many years, is now solved so i like it all except the four point fork is what choice do i have but i give him a little more credit than that

1:13:32 Sorry about the last show before a big break and the first show back being so mid for a lot of people But I think mr. Finnegan brings it right back up doesn't he? Okay, well as for the meetup calendar here's what we got Alright right around the corner this friday is the room super so we're gonna be hanging out in amsterdam and wanna invite higher side chats fans to come along there meet up at the belly of the beast i'm sure that would be a fun one. Then sunday april twelfth we have the wild tara made up the person who made this event has not added any details about where while terry is but if you know you know,

1:14:12 And then Sunday, April 19th a no ID pop-up meeting at the Alibi Room in Vancouver British Columbia. And this is open to No Agenda producers Gramerica and other freedom groups as well us which is great! I always say other podcasters can use our calendar too. I only ask that they're free events and not advertisements to sell tickets That's really what this about This is about building community So then april twenty six we have saint paul minnesota at black stack brewing. And april twenty seventh auckland new zealand gail braths ale house once again and may first can i new hampshire the poorhouse barbecue clothing optional bonfire. I love it go find the others make communities and get more details about any event by going to higher side meetups dot com and make your own its open is free

1:15:11 Alright, well that's another episode in the bag. Starting off April right I would say Glad to cover another great trying day book Take care of you and yours i've done my part Your move national health eroders scientists saboteurs and bio-warfaring bastards your fucking move I blew another first date where I told myself I'd keep it light she may not be As awake as me But we can have a good time staying up tonight She was giving me the look Things were starting to cook But then she ruined the fun I just couldn't bite my tongue How could you think they handled COVID well? It was a sigh of muddy gravel And now those masks were just for compliance Had nothing to do with

1:16:10 How many tests did you take? Yikes! You know that was all fake, right? If you got the jab ready dead Do ya think the server's bringin' it? I blew another first date Where I told myself I'd keep She may not be way as me But we can have a good time tonight She was giving me the look Things were starting to cook Then she ruined the fun I just couldn't Those events you mention are agenda driven, engineered far in advance. Why would that dad be la- Have you ever heard of crisis? No one died at Sandy Hook It's obvious when you look into it This is all underserved looking A Where I told myself I'd keep it light She may not be as awake as me But we can have a good time staying up late

1:17:25 Things were starting to cook, but then she ruined the fun And I just couldn't bite But when you say aliens ain't real Is that because you realize There's a disclosure game being played By shady intelligence guys? Cause beings have been here for Not just since 1947 They're demons anyway I blew another first date Where I told myself I'd keep She made nice away, kiss me but we can have a good time Really starting to cook But then she ruined the fun