A.T.L. Carver | Meme Magic: Pepe, Trump, & The Cult of Kek

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00:43 Alright, Hiresight Chatters! We have spent plenty of time in past episodes exploring the potential influence of both magic and the immortal archetypal beings it can conjure up. And although many of us can see there's something there... The line between otherworldly influence and potential coincidence often blurs too much to be sure what's what. As much as we might want to see things as black-and-white it does seem increasingly obvious that were living a world of grey So when we hear a story such as the Council of Nine and realize that in the oh so strange year of 1947, prominent influential members of the upper crust were experiencing ritual contact with beings that claimed to be ancient Egyptian gods poised to work their will through these elite liaisons I think we should pay attention.

01:25 And when someone's willing to make the case that, in the words of today's guests, we live in a world where a group of internet misfits meme magic to celebrity madmen into the White House with the help of an ancient Egyptian deity... I'd say that goes doubly so. His name is ATL Carver and he's a thoughtful observer of mental phenomena, student of esoteric philosophy, and the author of the most prominent piece on today's strange subject The Truth About Pepe the Frog & The Cult Of Keck He also has his first book on the power of personal magic coming out in January called You're Imagining Things. So please make sure your seat backs and tray tables are in their full upright position because this is going to be one hell of a wild ride, and there's no better guy to take us on it. Aaron my man welcome to The Higher Side! Thank you thank you for having me that was it

02:08 Very well done introduction. It's going to be a great talk. Yeah, man I'm psyched and this is a real pleasure! I'm sure many of us have seen this Pepe the Frog meme and how it has been associated with the Trump campaign And this all became even more fascinating when he actually won the election But like so many things worth exploring it's a tangled web of connections and synchronicities that has to be understood in its totality So where do we start? Where do you see the beginning of this story Well, there is a lot of groundwork to cover. You're right first I think we should define what is a meme exactly sure so Richard Dawkins defines a meme as a gene of culture 4chan would say that memes are the blueprints of reality? I think in this context a meme is sort of a device it's a communication device that encapsulates

03:05 a big idea into one very easily digested soundbite or visual. And we see that with Pepe the Frog, he's this sad looking funny green man and you can just project your own emotions onto him and you know where he is coming from. From his effectiveness he becomes so popular and that's how memes spread and multiply at some point they start shaping culture That's what we're talking about when we're talking about memes here. And there is a real parallel to just the idea of truth in general, because when you get into kind of those esoteric philosophies

03:47 A big theme is how slippery truth really is and that it's really hard to look at directly, but you can come at it from side angles by poetry or art or various things that allude to truth that can't be seen directly. And you could possibly say that memes are a modern form of that thread Yeah, very much so. I mean you're right esoteric philosophers They would say the picture is the truth right if you want the full truth of some occult principle You look at this picture yeah because you know pictures has a thousand words we can condense these abstract ideas into A visual and it's somehow It's so much more easily understood. I think that's because the subconscious mind it communicates in pictures

04:35 Yeah, great point. And so in this subject we're using the term meme magic I mean is this hyperbole or do you consider memes to be a form of digital sigil making something with real power? I do yes to both because i consider magic kind of a hyperbole I think magic is much more mundane than people realize it's always going on like your attention Is a form of magic and I think we'll get into that here and it will make more sense as we go on. Yeah definitely, so let's get into this Pepe saga itself! So where did this cartoon frog Pepe originate? Well he was drawn by a man named Matt Fury, a cartoon artist

05:23 But the thing with these memes is, the origin it doesn't really matter so much as how they were co-opted. So he started out as this happy frog when he was drawn by Matt but 4chan took him and they turned him into this sad frog and that's what resonated with people. Right on! And then went kind of viral there... When did this all start? Would you say it was around 2010 I believe right? Well, Pepe came into popularity on 4chan about two years before that. 2008 I'd say. Right on! But it's an important point because all of this predates the election where all these things really come to a head so yeah it's important to date all this because it really makes it more significant when you see how the stuff was

06:07 Always there waiting to be connected mm-hmm and there definitely seems to be a timeless quality To synchronicities, and yeah these kind of things we see they happen years before And sometimes we don't even get a clear picture of what it was until years after so those dates Yeah They help to strengthen the case a little bit and I We should also talk about 4chan specifically. I think a lot of people who are internet junkies should have some idea of what 4chan is, I typically describe it as a more fringe version of Reddit but how would you describe it? Are there characteristics to the 4chan community that you think are relevant to the story here?

06:44 Oh, absolutely. And that's a pretty good summation of fringe Reddit I think the environment of 4chan is something you have to talk about it's The actual mechanics of it have shaped it so much So an image board is a forum right? But you don't have to subscribe You don't have to make an account It's all anonymous log on to the site in your browser and you can post, and you can participate in a discussion. So that becomes the defining trait of this community is that you don't have an identity. And there's actually... There is the feature to give yourself a little username. Doing that will bring so much hate in your direction because that's just not what this site is about. Every other place is about that. This is about The Collective it's not about you

07:34 Okay, yeah. That's definitely good to note and to go further into the anonymous aspect of it Can you tell us about how posts on 4chan are catalogued because that's pretty relevant to understanding some of the synchronicity here Right? Yeah very relevant every post comes with a number attached to it And it's it's the number in the entire lineage of that board so what's important about that is you don't know your number before you have submitted the post. Right? And this is very interesting, it's kind of ingrained in us it seems to give mystic qualities to numbers and this is important groundwork to cover because as part of image board culture there's reverence for the numbers that are attached to your posts specifically the repeating digits which are I think its a 1% chance of getting a post where your numbers

08:32 The last two numbers are the same repeating digits, dubs as they call them. Right, dubs and like the other term is gets I believe right? Yeah yeah well a get see like we said it's a linear thing You don't know exactly what number you're going to get, but you can see like 555 300. So everybody knows this big get is coming this sequence of repeating numbers that's five all the way down. So these gets become kind of an event on these image boards that people they can kind of calculate when a big get is coming and I mean people will get so into it they'll structure their lives a little bit around

09:13 It's like almost like a season finale of the TV show. Yeah i really love this aspect and I didn't understand it at first either but it is so important to really get the strangeness of the story and the synchronicities along the way which some people consider synchronicity to be kind of the markers or the fingerprints of entity influence if you wanted to go that far, It also should be noted that because of the volume on 4chan, you really can't plan much around your numbers. And it basically becomes a random number generator in a sense couldn't you say? Absolutely! Yeah so that is an important aspect and I guess what happened here is

09:56 When it comes to posts that included the Pepe meme, which was co-opted into the poll subreddit... well, the poll board. Which is like a political themed board politically incorrect right because this meme was being used in conjunction with Trump people started to notice an uncharacteristically high amount of gets and dubs is that accurate? Yeah You could argue that, well we're talking about that anyway. But you have to also understand that 4chan has a lot of infighting within the cohesion so say we have a big get coming right? 5-5-5-5 and people want to make that significant you know to whatever...

10:40 large amount of people that want to sabotage that get so you know they'll be posting Hillary will win and that'll upset everybody and People flock from all the other boards To converge on a get and it's really just absolute chaos, right? Yeah Yeah, it's a lot more clear when you see it. But it is interesting and so every post has given an eight digit number and because of the volume of posts, you can't do much planning to the number you want. And this is important because on 6-19, way back in June someone simply writes Trump will win and their posts number was all seven across the board. This is probably the biggest boldest example of this dub synchronicity right?

11:25 Yeah, and that's referred to as the prophecy of Keck. Because by that point people had began to associate Pepe with this ancient frog-faced deity that just happened to share some traits of this image board culture. Right! It's another example of that synchronicity outside-of-time thing, because 4chan had been using the word tech as an alternative to LOL and they had no idea it was the name of a god. And then eventually they discover that it's the name of a frog face god when they use this Pepe character so much. And it's a frog face God of chaos in this place of absolute chaos

12:10 Right. And then they dig into the pantheon of Egyptian lore and they find that this Ogduad, the ancient Egyptian religion, they attribute repeating digits to the creation of the universe. It all stacks up! There's also a little bit more to be said about Khek I believe in terms of replacing LOL How did that come about? it also ties into an aspect of the Korean language right Right. It's just a very obscure place to come from that's completely opposite to what it ended up being, it comes from video games I think they had some you know Some game developer put this little Easter egg in where if you typed lol would come out as kek in World of Warcraft right which is written version of like a snicker like a

13:02 Yeah, yeah and that comes from the Korean language like you said. Right so all these kind of moving pieces come together and sort of culminate in the discovery that These things do allude to and relate to an ancient Egyptian God named Kek And when I hear Egyptian I always kinda perk up because I feel like they really knew their shit Oh yeah! It just adds another little bit of flavor to it wouldn't you say? You could say Egypt was just the birthplace of religion in general. I mean, the ancient occult philosophy of Hermeticism and the Kybalion

13:39 They all stem from these wise masters of Egypt. So it is very fascinating that Egypt, of all places is what relates this back where this all goes back to. Right? They seem to have the most defined archetypes when it comes to spirits or entities and that's just another part that makes it so interesting to me. So Kek is this frog headed deity a symbol of darkness he also represents obscurity and the unknown and thus chaos And also from what I read about Cac it seems that he was seen as that which occurred before light thus. Was known as the bringer in of light kind of like that lucifer archetype the light bringer the trickster and away yeah low key yeah we immediately attribute darkness to evil these days but

14:33 It was not so black and white with their religion. I get the impression it's the darkness before the dawn, right? it's the fading of an era into a better era mm-hmm, and you could draw real parallels to that description and the unexpected results of the last election Right right And maybe the ends of...I mean maybe jumping the gun here, but 4chan saw this as the end of the globalist era because Trump was the chaos candidate opposing them. Maybe this was the new dawn of a better age. It's definitely interesting and so that's not all folks because also talk to us about the way Keck is written in hieroglyphics

15:20 Oh, this is interesting. 4chan dug up the statue that was being manufactured and it was called a Keck Statue and it had these hieroglyphics on the front It's a statue of a frog and the picture, you really have to see it to get the full effect but it seems to be in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. The picture of a man sitting before computer and then behind the computer is this spiral, this strange magical...it almost looks like DNA strand. But it's important to note that this is actually incorrect. This does not spell Kek, it spells Heket his female equivalent but still very fascinating to me that mistake was made like the manufacturer messed up and called this frog statue with they put an incorrect name on

16:12 That was gonna be one of my questions for you because I've seen the frog statue it definitely is Pretty on-the-nose in terms of looking like a person sitting at a computer if you're going to talk about some ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic representation Of me magic a person at a computer with a DNA strand kind of squiggle would be it right but oh It was so on the nose i couldn't rule out the possibility that it was some kind of fabrication as a prank you know when for chance tied to these things you just never know right where. What not a prank and error but not unfortunate part is still out there in the universe so its interesting how still fits into this whole synchronicity puzzle right away with that,

16:54 You say DNA strand, you could also look at it as the polling of the election. As it goes on when we see the final picture of the way Donald Trump and Hillary's lines on the line graph go up and down, it kind of closely resembles that stranding thing? Yeah yeah definitely And so we've gone through quite a bit of stuff for now, but in a nutshell it seems like an ancient Egyptian frog-headed deity that embodies chaos called Khek is using 4chan as a vessel to manifest its will. Is that where we're at? Yeah and this is just the setup I mean this is just act one. We uh... I say yeah climax of act one we get the prophecy of Khek right So there's ironic worship

17:38 thing turns into, wow this might be something really going on here. Okay and so where do we go from there? What's act two? All right well now we see Trump win the primaries and we see this clash of titans rise up as he goes head to head with Hillary And I think you have to be a 4chan-er to kind of understand the hatred that these people have for Hillary. Because they see her as the Illuminati, the globalists and there's so many more synchronicities around that. The whole dark magic aspect of these elites...I mean we saw the spirit cooking thing pop up in the election

18:21 So it really just drove home this perception 4chan already had that Hillary was the devil and now we have this new bringer of light opposing her. They actually made it kind of, I'm sure you're familiar with Moloch. Yes! I was going to ask you about Moloch because Of course a lot of people talk about the elite and magic, and it seems like Moloch in particular is a deity that the elite and the entrenched power in this country seem to venerate as well as the goddess Columbia. Which I've also heard is possibly synonymous with Moloch, it gets kind of confusing but...

19:00 We even have an email from the Podesta Leaks that a staffer writes to Hillary herself saying they're going to make a sacrifice to Moloch in the backyard. So I am curious your thoughts on the idea that we might have a battle for influence between powerful ancient spirits and maybe a Moloch versus Cacti type of dynamic? Yeah, well you can see the different ends of the spectrum they could represent with Keck being the god of chaos. You would say Moloch a god of evil but I could see Moloch as the God of absolute control and order because that's certainly the world that globalists want to establish. They want a world of drones where there is no chaos anymore so we see these two yeah just both ends of the spectrum and their chosen champions Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton

19:47 Going head to head right so I my next bullet point was the events of 9-11, but is there anything to say before that? I think that's the next yeah just the fact that people were praying to Keck now very seriously and they were asking for something very specific too. As soon as Hillary's health started coming up in the media, as soon as you started seeing the cracks in that facade there 4chan really started specifically asking for happening from their God they wanted to see Hillary's health be exposed on camera because as much as they were against Hillary

20:29 They also despised the mainstream media, which was clearly covering for her at every turn. So you would think okay they want to wish something horrible on a woman maybe that's that's a nasty thing but I think more than that they really wanted to see the media eat their words so they were praying for a health crisis and September 11th comes And there, for all to see Hillary has this fainting spell and she's thrown in the ambulance like a slab of meat. And 4chan is just ecstatic euphoric over this is manifested. This is exactly what we wanted

21:12 And there was also something interesting about the date 9-11. I mean, if i understand correctly this is the date that she actually spoke publicly about the Pepe meme right? The day after! The day after same 24 hour period Right so that's just the icing on the cake because right after that of all things to happen she comes out with this ridiculous...I mean for her to To make this a talking point in the campaign it was almost like tech was winking at us yeah say yeah that was me. Here i am exactly if you're trying to gauge the influence of something and we're talking about a meme that started in the bowels of the internet like a very obscure and off-the-beaten path place and it rises all the way, do the point that

21:59 The candidate herself is discussing it and trying to raise awareness about it as if it's a threat. Yeah, yeah so let's talk about that for a minute sure isn't possible that this is an extension of this curse that fortune has placed on Hillary that you know she's going to sabotage yourself she's going to start talking about this ridiculous frog and get everybody just questioning her lucidity at this point? Or does Hillary have like a court sorcerer on hand who's consulting her about this and saying, we got to uncharge the sigil. We've gotta take down Pepe. Damn I didn't think about that but historically The Elite have kept some occultists nearby Right

22:46 I mean what do you make of it who knows anymore man but yeah definitely is interesting and this whole saga does seem kind of textbook for just the way magic or entity influence seems to work there's always a bit of ambiguity it's never so absolute that critics wouldn't just doubted but a deeper look will definitely make you think if your being honest with yourself. And we have another synchronicity coming up with that line of thought too, this probably thought. It seems like it but you can't prove it. Right and I think that also happened in this nexus of the 9-11 date and the days right near

23:25 Yeah, we discover Chatelet. This is another thing outside of time that we bring back into this fold. It's a record from the 80s called Magic Sound is the label. Of all things for it to be called? Right and well...of all things for the song to be called The word printed on it is Pepe And this is the name of the album Pepe in acronym form And it comes down to, I think it's point emerging probably entering. You can see how that just fits right in with this what we're talking about here and also goes back to digits the gets. See 4chan says that Keck speaks to them through dubs through repeating digits and its a probability thing so random number generator like you said

24:18 So I think we have an album called Magic Sound by a band called Pepe and the name of the song is Chatelet? Right. And on the album, this is important most important part there's a green frog printed on the album who's holding a magic wand yeah oh damn! And then if that wasn't enough for you The band's full album also has some interesting imagery Yeah it's got Clock and a man, a man facing the clock. And we're looking at the man top down and he's a fair-haired man Looking out of clock which closely resembles the Trump Tower clock right? And this man actually is arranged within this eight pointed Symbol kind of and it looks a lot like the chaos magic symbol this eight directional little Asterix Yeah, that's a crazy one

25:17 You know if you wanted to even throw another log on the fire you could get into the lyrics of this song which are pretty early relatable to the saga aren't they yeah there all about bending reality and rising up in being a think it says. kind of a failure revolutionary. And that kind of, once again sums up 4chan you know they post and they do a lot of talking but nobody's doing a lot of action in our society right? And because this is a French band from the 80s The lyrics have to be translated and I wrote down verse 1 and that would be why it doesn't rhyme But when you translate it says Cosmic absolute regular reality breath of an image concept

26:07 Sentine of civilizations, confused descendants of rebel cells. I fly towards the universe, I'll pass through it if you are a star show yourself, I will stop." And that reads like an incantation of some kind when you look at the probability of what this song would be about most likely it'd be about some stupid love relationship or breakup like 90% of songs are but this one is invoking the universe images and concepts cosmic absolute I mean yeah Jesus man, it's a It's a disco song. I think you said French but I think it's actually Italian Oh an Italian disco song so for to be talking about these things in a club setting like why you know Mm-hmm mm-hmm And I think my mistake the reason why I had that it was a French band is because when you talk about

26:59 what might be next or where Keck might be going now that Trump has won the election. You do have on your website hint, keep an eye on France in 2017 can you talk about the suspicion there? Right so 4chan is kind of seized onto Keck as this idea of liberating the world from this illuminati dark magic globalist control and We see now more stages for that battle to happen again in other European countries that are being, you know, swallowed up into this Marxist anti-free speech really gross peasant class

27:47 fostering politics that seems to be spreading the world. The globalist nanny state! Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And we see a lot of Trump equivalent candidates coming up in these countries so now we're looking towards Keck to keep doing the work and Brexit was the first example of this even before the election. So we're wanting to see this chain continue elsewhere Right, that makes sense. And I guess i would take a second to say that for me I don't want there to be a perception that im a Trump guy...I would consider myself a neutral observer who is definitely glad the Clinton network went down but Im just not as optimistic as 4chan might be about whats replacing it

28:30 You know, just because we have a new group of old white guys lining their pockets. That's not exactly the radical change that would get me excited but if you want to perfect election you're gonna be waiting along fucking time so right that said We should also talk about the Clinton claim a little bit more The White Nationalist Alt-Right Nazi Association Of course the mainstream is trying paint anything associated with Trump campaign with this brush and it applies to the Pepe meme as well a bit But symbols can be used for anything. And if Keck is an Egyptian deity, calling the whole thing white nationalist is a little bit backwards. Yeah but what would you say about those claims? Well it's nonsense. It's grasping at straws like you said this racist label it's like a hex they cast on anybody who opposes them they can just strike them down with this label of oh you're an evil person you're racist I'm

29:26 I mean, the whole idea of memes is that they can be utilized for anything. They're so universally applicable. So to say that Pepe is a white nationalist symbol... Sure! I'm sure white nationalists have used him but if Mickey Mouse was put on a KKK flyer you wouldn't now say that Mickey Mouse is a white nationalist symbol. Right? Yeah, that's a great analogy Yeah, the symbols themselves are neutral and really can be used for whatever. And you could if you're in the mainstream media and you want to cherry pick some things and make something seem exceptionally negative, you can craft that tale with the bullet points they have but there's just so much more of the story as we're talking about. If people are still doubting the influence of a cartoon frog not only did Hillary personally comment on it but Trump also retweeted it at one point didn't he?

30:17 Yeah, yeah. Well that was her straw she's grasping as oh look Trump has used this white nationalist symbol I think it was Trump son actually ah But it just a total coincidence or synchronicity you want to look at it like that Right, I mean it touched both major party candidates with all the things on their plate. They both dedicated at least a small sliver of time to some cartoon frog from 4chan right can't believe it man They really brought him out into the world right? It's just it's absurd It is and so what does the creator of Pepe have to say about all this has he been addressed since this has all happened

30:56 Yeah, the mainstream dug him out of the gutter to comment on it. But it's just like I said before...I think he was in the bag for Hillary maybe they slipped him some money? I don't know but it's not relevant you know He is just a vessel! yeah exactly I mean give them his props for drawing a cool-looking character that a lot of people can associate with but it was co-opted by another group so it's not about him anymore or what he thinks And this is kind of the nature of art right you know the idea of the muse you channel things into the world it's not you. Making them exactly another good point and so when it comes to be, synchronicities that happened and you making the website that she made

31:44 People of course started seeing other amazing syncs and sending things to you. And tell us about what seems to be the oldest connection between Pepe and Trump with this old Donald Trump's real estate tycoon video game I thought this was pretty mind-blowing man Yeah, there are a tonne of these right? We've only just touched the surface of all these synchronicities but the Donald Trump video game Real estate tycoon right this little simulator game you put out and it was in the game you decide what your logo is gonna be for your company. And they have all these just random generic logos and one of them is pepe the word pepe,

32:27 Right. A corporate name you can choose called Pepe and the logo behind it seems to be a winding road symbol, which you could definitely connect to this saga if you wanted to. It is quite a winding road especially if you were going to plant something in the mid nineties about something that was gonna happen in 2016 Well, that leads us right into another synchronicity where one of the Mandarin translations of Kek is drama or theater. And man if you were following this election, you just could not write a more up and down roller coaster movie than this cycle that we all experienced happened before us. This election is just absurd with all its twists and turns. Absolutely!

33:15 So that equivalent and in German, the word tech I think spelled with CK is bold and daring. And it all just goes into this character that we've all associated with Pepe on 4chan of this levity and you know trolling ends and laughing in the face of the establishment. Right? You know, obviously there's been a lot of interaction in 4chan with this entity. Is there anything more you could say to flesh out its personality or these interactions? Because I think that to me is the most fascinating thing is getting insight into

33:54 this kind of rare situation of communication with an entity. It always seems kinda vague, it always seems kinda loose but in a situation like this I assume you might be able to get a little bit more detail about this maybe personality type or just how it interacts with people? Yeah definitely well like we talked about 4chan takes things and changes them slightly right so what we didn't mention before is the fact that at some point Within this timeline, before Trump really but in between adopting sad Pepe we transform him into smug Pepe. where it's a frog who has this very smug expression on his, this very sly grin and he's holding up his finger and thumb to his chin looking at you knowingly. And it was very perplexing to us that Pepe underwent this transformation where now has like the secret that is harboring

34:52 There was really no justification for the meme. Like we talk about how memes are very competitive and they have to resonate in the right way there was really no none of that for this mean it just came out of the ether and People I mean the common response to posting that picture people will say why so smug Pepe? What what do you know as? It's almost like a precursor to Trump winning and then you see the media having to eat their words and all is blowing up in their faces People are feeling very smug now. So it's a another aspect of the puzzle It's so strange that it worked out like that, right? And so I'm curious does Kek communicate with the members of 4chan in any other way beyond through the synchronicity of double-digit posts

35:43 No, but it's significant enough that it seems like almost what more could you ask for? You'll just see every day on 4chan someone will post a message thats in some way significant and their post number will be 77. They'll post Keck works in mysterious ways 1% chance goes to them, they get the dubs and that's it. Right? It's almost like a digital Ouija board of some kind and you keep getting the response Yeah I mean it's amazing so you were studying magic before this happened I understand And knowing what you know about Chaos Magic would you consider this saga to be in line with what you might expect?

36:27 perfect example of chaos magic working that you could ever imagine and I'll explain to you why. Sure 4chan maybe people don't see the appeal of posting on an image board, some people are they're readers or they read comic books in some people this is just their hobby because Once you start getting into it, you realize it's so entertaining and there is so much on the table. It's a buffet of emotional states. You'll go into one thread and get into an argument with somebody or get very angry. And then you'll just be laughing at all this banter going back-and-forth. Then you'll go to another thread where everybody is lamenting their woes and you're sad.

37:19 You get to ride the whole spectrum of the emotional roller coaster, you know within the span of an hour just browsing these image boards and The principle in chaos magic is that these high energy another synchronously high-energy Trump's slogan it's high energy Emotional states. They're what charge sigils? And so While you're browsing through these emotional states on 4chan, you're also seeing Pepe's because he is a very popular meme. So the idea is maybe this how people were charging the sigil with all this power just by the mechanics of the image board

37:59 The other way to charge a sigil that's very significant is trance state. Like when you're watching TV and it's the time when your eyes glaze over, alright? That's seen as this idea of the subconscious membrane kind of loosening up and now you can send your energy out into the world or be manipulated maybe we'll talk about that later but yeah this state of no mind This meditative state That's another way to charge a sigil Another way is sexual simulation and there's a lot of porn posted on these image boards. So every way you could charge a sigil, it's all here in this little grab bag on 4chan so it's the laboratory for making chaos magic happen It's insane really

38:45 Yeah, that makes sense. And it does kind of call into question how consciousness interacts with reality and it's kind of a special case or a special case study because of 4chan nature to kind of get away from the individual and work in a more collective way. It creates a real Great laboratory type setting to test these things out man. Yeah, there's another story of me magic before this ever happened There was kind of this trial run where people kind of tuned into this power as we know for chance really into trolls and trolling and pranking the world and a couple years ago they thought it'd be funny to spread Ebola back into the world

39:35 So this was kind of the proto-pepe. They made a sigil, an image called Ebola Chan, which is some anime girl because 4chan's all about that stuff and they embedded their desire jokingly at first to hasten the spread of Ebola and we saw that in the news cycle couple years ago it worked So that was kind of the first trial run of meme magic and they kinda, they kinda ease off the pedal on that once they realize wow we're really maybe affecting the world here just with our intent. Right and I did hear about that in...I think even outside of that 4chan does have some other interactions with magic over its existence right? How so what do you mean

40:23 Well, I read about another story that seemed to get a little bit of attention. Could have been again a troll but someone seemingly made an egregore of My Little Pony that didn't go quite so well. You'd have to tell me that one. That sounds great! Oh well from what i read they decided to make this egregore out of my little pony very appropriate for 4chan and it became some type of negative entity Speaking to them in their head so loudly they couldn't hear other thoughts or form clarity. It resulted in headaches and being kept up at night, and that eventually just stopped. Wow! Weird stuff and it could just be people getting attention but these things stack up and you got a look at all of them right well that's That sounds like the classic word of caution on the idea of a tulpa fragmenting your consciousness

41:16 into another personality like that. It is funny how we see these things manifesting in the digital world to people who aren't even aware of what they're doing, and then you go back and you say oh well that was chaos magic or a tulpa Yeah, you also mentioned to me that in the past couple of weeks you've been searching for the thread that ties all this meme magic business into something more profound or related to old world occultism. Where are you on that search? Is there anything more to be said about that? Yeah well that thread is the Egyptian philosophy and another synchronicity with the whole Keck and going back

41:59 the old Egyptian occult world. The Kybalion is a very kind of cornerstone text in this esoteric philosophy sphere, I think Freemasons have adopted it and all different kinds and you can see how it's the foundation even of very mainstream religions like Christianity and Buddhism. It really breaks down the basics of belief And I thought it was so interesting reading this talking one of the principles is you know the principle of pendulum now there's a forward and backward swing to everything in c that and check you see. Okay we were headed towards this direction and now i wasn't tech appears and now society is going back on this pc social justice,

42:49 warrior momentum and then we're swinging back now maybe towards more of a conservative culture. Yeah, so just all these principles within ancient Egyptian texts I had no idea that really this was the crucible... Ancient Egypt is really the crucible of all this belief in faith. Yeah i mean that's a great point it definitely seems to have been and you know if this is a real aspect of reality I guess based on kind of what we're talking about ancient Egypt, do you think that there was a time in history where it might have been more commonly accepted among people? Is this something that has been purposefully hidden from people? Yeah. Well here's... and i talk about this in my book right You're Imagining Things the occult has always been there for those who seek it but the reality is

43:44 People don't want that power. They say they do, but when you have the tools to shape your own destiny now You are responsible for your own destiny and most people don't really want that responsibility It's the saying from the Bible and this actually came from ancient Egypt Don't throw pearls before swine And a significant detail there is throwing the pearl. The swine aren't massing you, aren't mobbing you for these little nuggets of knowledge they're not interested so don't bother with them let the people who are interested find you." So I don't know if it's been so deliberately hidden but it seems to be like its definitely wielded

44:25 Only by very evil corrupt people these days i think back then. The world might have been ruled by a more benevolent class of mystics and we see today right that's the theme that i've had a lot to guess bring up people who really studied this stuff deep it definitely, is a popular thought to think that when you're talking about Egyptian pharaohs, these people were their respected leaders because they were so knowledgeable and wise in these occult realms as opposed to today where it just seems like any old body who's got in with the network of good old boys can kind of get to a privileged position. And it isn't based on their merit anymore.

45:10 Right. And that's the big complaint, right? When you take away the meritocracy of the world, that's where there are problems and that's where people make conspiracies about the Jews or the reptiles or whatever you want to call them. Really the root evil there is the fact that no matter what you do, you don't have a contact in this dark society so you're not going get the fruits of your labor Yeah. And so, is there anything else that can be said about the elite's magical knowledge or the idea of them using these tools regularly? We talked about Moloch a little bit but have you seen other things that make you curious? Yeah well I have a very good example of this. I think a corporate logo is a sigil in a sense.

45:56 We kind of touched on this earlier before. See, there's the idea in esoteric philosophy that there is no such thing as a one-way street everything is back and forth Everything is a double edged sword So when you see a sigil and you're charging your sigil right? eventually your sigil is now going to be its own entity and it's going to Be charging other people You know It's going to be directing energy towards other people so That's where I see a logo. I see a logo almost as like an anti-sigil, where it's out there in the world and it's there to manipulate people. It's there to embed into someone else's subconscious whereas a normal sigil would be you taking your subconscious putting out into the world this is the opposite you see?

46:44 I think there's definitely something to that because the biggest corporations on the planet have logos that allude to ancient symbols in most cases they have mascots that do the same day invoke greek roman egyptian archetypes in a weird way and it happens more often than it doesn't. And so what's the deal there? There's got to be something going on, I mean these also aren't just mid-level players of modest wealth, I mean these are the motherfucking trillionaires on the planet and so something is going on we also see it a lot in NASA naming missions Apollo and naming meteors things like Osiris Rex

47:26 Strange. Why would they be doing that? Very strange and just as the practice itself when you're talking about money being spent, why is it so important for them to shill out millions of dollars just to flash their brand logo like Coca-Cola spends a million dollars to fly around their symbol on a blimp? Why? It doesn't, it's not. I mean, I understand advertising and convincing someone to do something but that's not what a logo is. Right? It doesn't come with a message telling you to buy something is just the logo and these Super Bowl advertisements. It'll be just story some emotionally stirring image and it will flash the logo and it's over and you don't even know what you've been sold right

48:08 And money itself, look at the dollar bill. It's a goddamn soup of esoteric symbols hidden and unhidden it's deep. Yeah and it's such a great example of a charge schedule because its just paper but we've charged with this power now is something you would kill your mother over if your certain type person And then yeah i always say if aliens came down and were like how do you do things on this planet we said well nothing gets done unless you've exchanged some green paper ya know that guys over there starving and dying but, we can't do anything we can get him the food he doesn't have the green paper and it would just seem so insane. I would think the conclusion they would come to is man all these people are under some kind of spell

48:54 Well my take on that is they would say oh look at these chaos magic primates They're just starting to grasp the power of these sigils with how primitive their technology is with their if there's central craft Because I do look at this as a type of technology Yeah, you know you apply and it's a neutral thing like we talked about It's how you use it but it's a tool right so get things done in the universe channel desire into outcome And the connection between magic and technology can't be overstated, especially if you look at the deep state of the sixties and seventies even up till today. They're constantly

49:36 being accused of being a cultist. If you talk about Jack Parsons and the rocketry program, strange stuff there always seems to be some type of occult connection between some of the most brilliant minds of science and technology and this stuff right well I learned this from your podcast actually the fact that the pentagram revolutionized the rocket engine they found out that's a more useful way to distribute the lift force is in the shape of a pentagram boom yeah It's crazy and you just find these things so often you have to start wondering where does the coincidences end something significant again. So if we're going to revisit the Pepe Keck thing that were talking about,

50:21 There are other synchronicities that I think are really interesting. One that I really loved, I guess comes from a top memeologist dubbed Gobekli Pepe which is the most perfect name he's found on Twitter but he found something about a fan-made version of Pokemon called Pokemon Chaos of all things can you tell us about this one? Yeah, well I didn't know that you know some people are so into Pokemon that they make their own games for it. Man... So that was interesting to learn and one of these games is called Pokemon Chaos and this guy he made his whole roster of Pokemons and he named one of them Shadalay and the design of this Pokemon looks a lot like Pepe its a sad looking amphibian

51:08 So once again, this very strange stack of coincidences that seem to point towards this God form. Right. I love that one, man! It's kind of one of those things you have to see and if you're a little bit familiar with Pokemon it might make even more sense to you but calling the thing Shadalay out of all the possible names... If people don't remember that is the name of the song we talked about from the 80s CD and another point about Shadalay because we did talk about it being translation, the song lyrics needing to be translated. Chandelier is the one untranslatable word right? I mean yeah apparently there's no equivalent. Right so it just once again like a good meme it becomes something you can kind of project your own meaning onto and like you know The Nature Of Keck there's still this element of the obscure within all this what-what you can make of it there's still

52:02 This black hole that you just have to fill with your own thing. We see that, you know like on every scale of this phenomenon there's a chateau, it's the gap you have to fill. Yeah so have you gotten any other interesting mail that adds anymore syncs to the list? That maybe you haven't had a chance to add at the site yet? Sure this one is new one someone messaged me on Twitter The translation of Donald Trump's Chinese name So that's six characters and each one obviously has its own meaning when you take them out of context, you know? So when you break it down the characters for Donald Trump mean offensive accept slash pay moral virtue or favor. And then special extraordinary light universal.

52:56 So every one of those you can kind of relate back to Trump and Keck and all this once again. It just all fits so perfectly, like why couldn't one of those be chair? You know or a different animal. Yeah I love it man! It's just amazing stuff and so awesome Aaron ATL I appreciate you being here. Please remind the people where they can read your work or anything else that they should know about in terms of following you, getting in touch with you and all that good stuff. Sure! You can follow the Pepe story at pepethefrog.faith. And you can follow me on Twitter for more Pepes at PepeReport.

53:48 learn more about these memetic magic principles in general, you can check out my book. You're imagining things on amazon.com it's coming out January 1st and get on pre-order now and also be on Kindle when it comes up. Boom! Right on. Thanks, my man couldn't have done it without you I do think this Pepe Keck Trump saga is an excellent case study and how magic could work and i haven't seen anybody breaking down the stuff better than you so much appreciated and take care of yourself out there praise Kekk and chatelet thank you praise Keck Alright people, the Pepe meme and the Cult of Kek. Hopefully you enjoyed that one! I think we made about as good a case as anybody when it comes to synthesizing this saga

54:36 And there is an interesting tendency people have that I've noticed that will probably apply here too. But when you make a broad statement like, the media and politicians lie to us they'll get a lot of agreement You could probably get nine out of ten people to agree with that statement in general but then when you get into specifics it all falls apart ask those same nine people where we lied to about 9-11 or Sandy Hook or say vaccines or whatever it is? Okay, you think the establishment lies to us. Well what about? Because every time it matters most people stick to the mainstream opinions and I think the same thing might happen here We do these shows about magic and the power of sigils and synchronicity And a lot of people think oh yeah that stuff is totally real! Then we lay out a detailed case like this... ...and will probably see a lot of people who say they aren't buying it but I'd ask

55:28 What would you expect a meme-magic digital sigil influence filled with synchronicity to look like if not this story? I find it pretty interesting, and I don't even care about Trump. I don't like Trump...I just think this idea of an ancient Egyptian personification of chaos throwing a wrench in what should have been one of the most predictable elections in my lifetime is provocative as hell! If this kind of thing is possible why wouldn't this be one of the best examples of it?! Personally, I think the CD, the Pokemon game and the Trump real estate tycoon game are just amazing exhibits A B & C. I've yet to really talk to anyone else who's knowledgeable about magic to see what they think but it's definitely piqued my interest It will be intriguing to see if it goes any further or if it sort of just fades away in the election aftermath Maybe Keck will transform the Western world by influencing other elections around the globe

56:24 And I'm so divided on if that's even a good thing or not. Of course, I'm not a globalist but also not a conservative guy and definitely not a white nationalist. In fact when I started THC it really was the only conspiracy show without a conservative or Christian tilt and I kind of liked being more neutral or even left leaning perspective But liberalism has changed in the last 10 years. It's gone full circle from being what I used to consider an affiliation for free speech advocates, to now wanting safe spaces and condemning any words that hurt feelings...and it's just kind of gross! I used to look at conservatives and see them as way too serious with a stick up their ass religious and humorless And that tide has turned but the real point here is that

57:10 Liberalism has been a vehicle for the one world government and globalism. If you don't support the full homogenization of everything, then you're racist that's what they're doing right now and conservative moves like Brexit or even a Trump win are considered the resistance to that tide so that's interesting The truth is, there are just too many opinions and too many degrees of scale to even sum it up in a few sentences. But there does seem to be major changes to what some of those worldviews represent I've stopped trying to define how i think it should be and instead just try to get a better handle on how it is What difference does it really make how I feel about something or how productive Is it to spend time saying well? It'd be much better if we did X when really I don't have any say in the matter

57:57 I guess it's an effect of this election and post-election cycle. Everyone has such a strong opinion about this or that, usually saying the same sentences as some major pundit... It just kind of turned me off from all of it. I know so many people who have cried over this election, or they say they've been depressed since it happened! I know people who are signing petitions to keep Trump from speaking in their state And the joke keeps getting made, this is what happens when you give everyone participation trophies and it's kind of true. A lot of people my age liberal leaning people they think their opinion matters and that they should have some say and it should have some sway. The cold hard truth is that it doesn't really mean shit. The empire marches on in middle class exploited and they're laughing at us in our stupid petitions

58:44 Ignore the things you can't control and work on just being a better you. I think a lot of people who aren't happy with their place in life, and are afraid to really confront that focus on the media's story of the week instead. I'll just retweet about Black Lives Matter instead of working on a business plan for myself or i'll just share some more links about Trump being a misogynist instead of going to the gym I know people struggling paycheck to paycheck who probably invest dozens of hours a week to Facebook political commentary and posting random articles. I agree with this one, guys! And I don't agree with this one...and it's kindof a big circle jerk to nowhere It's probably wiser just sit back and observe or even ignore

59:25 Ever heard the saying that we have two ears and one mouth because we're supposed to listen twice as much as we talk? I think there might be some truth to that, especially in the social media age. But i'm deaf in one ear so I don't know how that works for me." And that was a hell of a tangent! It just happens when Trump gets brought up everyone is so polarized about it takes an explanation just to kind of get to the center anymore Either way, I definitely thought this was a good show topic. If you're like me and have seen this Pepe meme and wondered what the hell it was about... Now we kinda know but we can't fully know can we? That just seems to be the nature of these things. Hope your all navigating the thorny holiday season as well as you can And i'll see ya in just a few days with the last show of 2016! I've done my part Your move Keck your fuckin' move

1:00:17 Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive because you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats You get to your desk and your boss says it's a mess And you soul slowly goes to a place where nothing grows When you think he's not around, you insert a SETI sound The OM says turn it down and you say its just the higher side chats Oh do ya think you'd be invited To Bohemia Grove? To a Bilderberg club Do ya think you'd be invited

1:01:07 by a Rothschild to a party on a submarine. Diving down, to the center of the earth through the Marianas Trench your teeth begin to clench from the sulphur-y estenche The mask you're given doesn't fit cause' you're not one of them Starting today, you'll make plans to get away. There's no one to hold you down and the what-ifs start to drown Then you wake to the glare of a cofluorescent stare And the light winks at you cause its life is almost through But it's holding on to quit time just like you It's time for The High Side Chats!